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* Repost: True,Mamzer McVay Molests Own Daughter-See Background. - 1 messages,
1 author
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* hindutva terrorism, spamming addresses all over usenet! - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/11e502dfbc177311
* What's Israel done for America, lately... ever? - 3 messages, 1 author
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* Oh these godawful pakis - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ccf35ff4f6c248a
* Truth offends Arabs - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Martin Luther King, Jr. - 2 messages, 1 author
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* How Long Does the US Plan to Stay in Iraq? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* who will put the bell on the cat? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Do you have a moment to help Impeach President Bush? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Hey U.S. Military Members: Is THIS what you signed-up for? - 2 messages, 2
authors
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* The End Of Civilization - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Afghan Man Sentenced to Death for Converting - 3 messages, 2 authors
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* Jobs That Americans Won't Do ?? Think Again - 2 messages, 1 author
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* Lets Stop With the Auschwitz Lies. - 1 messages, 1 author
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* "TERRORIST NO. 1" - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Repost: True,Mamzer McVay Molests Own Daughter-See Background.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/37cb37d377b8398
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 6:36 pm
From: Chief Instigator
On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 14:38:28 -0700, Ernst Streicher
<ErnstStreicher@veritas.net> wrote:
Pass on, and repost!
>On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 20:38:55 -0700, Ernst Zundholtz
><ErnstZundholtz@veritas.net> wrote:
>
>Did someone give McVay AIDS, because he molested his girl?
>
>>On 5 Oct 2004 19:16:20 -0000, Ken Lewis wrote:
>>
>>>From: knight@indystart.com (Black Knight)
>>>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,can.general,alt.homosexual
>>>Subject: Re: NIZKOR MUST OF FAILED; LOOK WHAT McVAY DOES NOW FOR MONEY
>>>Date: 13 Oct 2002 06:18:15 -0700
>>>
>>>Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message
>>>news:<1e95dbd5bc56bcd37a9cdd94346cd061@dizum.com>...
>>>> On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:10:07 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>>
>>>> >His ex-wife got custody of Lisa as a result. McVay's fixation with porn
>>>> >movies and downloading naked children photos from the internet could of
>>>> >been a contributing factor. Call McVay at 1-250-616-9431 or write him at
>>>> >P.O. Box 244, Station A; Nanaimo, B.C. V9R 5K9 Canada and ask him why he
>>>> >is a child molester pedophile.
>>>
>>>From: Henry <hermcam@mindspring.com>
>>>Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,alt.revisionism,can.general
>>>Subject: Will a Revisionist steal your identity too?
>>>Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 10:20:08 -0500
>>>===============================================================
>>>
>>>Lisa McVay-Henske wrote:
>>>
>>>> My mother left my father before he could have Jamie McCarthy move
>>>> in. It was one of the best moves my mother ever made. My father and
>>>> Jamie parted ways and then father latched on to Jay Winkler and they
>>>> became quite an item and a trendy couple. Jay died from AIDS recently
>>>> and surprisingly my father has not succumbed to AIDs though I wish
>>>> he would. I hate his god damned guts and I wish he would die. Only
>>>> if my father would of got some mental health care. Dad always seemed
>>>> to leer when a handsome man would enter the room. Anytime a man would
>>>> pay attention to me my father would get jealous. I thought he got
>>>> green eyed because he wanted more attention on account of being the
>>>> director of his Nizkor Project. Now I realize it was a lustful jealousy
>>>> and he hated me because men would rather go to bed with me than with him.
>>>> His deranged fits of jealousy often resulted in his whipping me till
>>>> I had stripes and welts all over me before he would stop. Hell hath no
>>>> fury than a homosexual man being kept from a new quest I guess.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> PHOTO OF SEXUAL PERVERT AND SADIST KEN MCVAY
>>>> http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>>Is it true that McVay has been convicted 3 times
>>>in the US for molesting infants?
>>>
>>>What did his sexual aberations play in his divorce in Nanaimo,Canada?
>>>In article <26f0f0a37f7103ef1d87c956725ca6c3@dizum.com>,
>>> Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We give thanks to Mr. David Michael for his research into
>>>> Ken McVay's marriage and divorce. Now we have a starting point
>>>> to find out where McVay lives because those divorce papers
>>>> will have specifics on them. McVay could of gotten away with his
>>>> shenanigans if he would of left well enough alone.
>>>
>>>> We are going to reveal more about McVay's drug habits, his
>>>> alcoholism, his wife beating, his molesting his teen aged daughter,
>>>> and his letting other men molest his pre-teen daughter so McVay
>>>> could exact bisexual favors from the men molesting his daughter.
>>>> We are going to prove Ken McVay would let other men molest his
>>>> daughter in exchange for McVay getting to perform sex acts with
>>>> those men.
>>>
>>>> We are going to make Ken McVay's life a veritable living hell.
>>>> We may even drive him to suicide when we are finished with him.
>>>Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
>>>
>>>What were the real reasons for Mrs. McVay divorcing Ken McVay?
>>>What connection/part did daughter Lisa play in the divorce?
>>>
>>>Is McVay such a disgusting criminal, that he supported
>>>the kiddie porn distributor from the Halifax synagogue?
>>>
>>>What other crimes, besides Income Tax Fraud in both
>>>the US and Canada has McVay been convicted of?
>>>
>>>Is McVay, like the Rabbis in the US, another drug dealer?
>>>
>>>These are some of the questions McVay needs to answer.
>>>
>>>Obviously his former employers have some of the answers,
>>>which is why the former gas station attendant is no
>>>longer getting paid by jew organisations since January.
>>>Even respectable jews don't want to be associated with
>>>filth like McVay, or whatever his real name is.
>>>
>>>How soon until BNAI BRITH dumps all connections with
>>>the child molester McVay, operating Nizkor as a one-fag business?
>>>
>>>
>>>http://www.nizkor.org/encouragements/bootboy.html
>>><start quote>
>>>
>>>This crudely assembled and executed compliment to The Nizkor Project,
>>>created by a Skinhead calling himself "Bootboy," appeared in 1995 at
>>>a web site in Texas: "WARNING! There is a confessed child-molester who
>>>goes by the name of Ken McVay who frequents these news groups. It is
>>>not worth the time to read all the crap this piece of sub-human filth
>>>posts, however a visit to his web page might prove interesting. NOT!"
>>>
>>><end quote>
>>>
>>>As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
>>>called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material
>>>should give an indication as to the why.
>>>
>>>"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>>>proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>>>yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>>>seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>>>my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>>>moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>>>http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>>>also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]
>>>
>>>
>>>Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he look like
>>>a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>>>even if he or she were not naked"?
>>>
>>>http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
>>>
>>>
>>>The greater majority of child molesters also have the same unkempt
>>>appearence too and this is due to their own lack of self esteem. It
>>>is the manifested lack of self esteem which drives people such as
>>>McVay to engage in the sordid lifestyles they engage in. McVay can't deal with
>>>mature women thus he does what he does and takes it as a compliment when
>>>someone points out he's a child molester.
>>>[McVay will have homosexual relations with adult men however.]
>>>
>>>Links to the confessed child-molester's web site and source of funding;
>>>The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org
>>>http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html
If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit www.freedomsite.org
Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
is a revolutionary act."
(George Orwell)
David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)
"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant
Posted by:
Steven Horn (KCOM)
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
together with
Boris Dynin <boris@sonic.net> = NAMBLA executive &
Henry<hermcam@mindspring.com> who like
late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
I am together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.
CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even
VISIT me at:
55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco 94132
Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431
As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material
should give an indication as to the why.
"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]
Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!!
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just
to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.
Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
Email me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: FlaviaR@verizon.net, especially late nights.
Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787 or
send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
work:(780)492-0473
Here is Fag Rianin's own web page: http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!
For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com
Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!
Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.
They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.
As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.
In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
for many years around the world.
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TOPIC: hindutva terrorism, spamming addresses all over usenet!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/11e502dfbc177311
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 7:45 pm
From: "harmony"
"Marcus Aurelius" <aryamihir@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1142640784.350979.148190@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>
> Max Muir wrote:
> > http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/amr180206.html
> > "Driven over centuries from fertile agricultural into ever
> > more remote hill districts with the poorest soils, the
> > indigenous peoples now protest the siezure of the
> > last lands permitted them."
>
> Baseless assertions. There is no evidence for these allegations.
> Projecting upon India the evil that anglos and other europeans carry
> with them is an old trick. An outdated trick. Try some newer ones.
>
you can't teach old momedans new tricks.
> Adi Anant
>
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TOPIC: What's Israel done for America, lately... ever?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/67529f7111b6b0a2
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Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 12:13 pm
From: Irving Supporter
Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 20 Mar 2006 05:44:30 -0800, "Honest Aryan" <ha@centralpets.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>> You disgrace the Hovnanian hombuilding name.
>> Is he building them in Israel too?
>> Shame on him.
>
> Fuck off and die, racist scum.
insults are the last refuge of the out argued
hahaha zhids, no wonder i find pleasure in watching them bleed to death
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 12:15 pm
From: Irving Supporter
Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 20 Mar 2006 05:44:30 -0800, "Honest Aryan" <ha@centralpets.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>> You disgrace the Hovnanian hombuilding name.
>> Is he building them in Israel too?
>> Shame on him.
>
> Fuck off and die, racist scum.
you are not a race so remember that, you are part of a sick and twisted
belief system. Therefore Honest Aryan cannot be labelled a "Racist".
Is your head hurting??? i know it could get complicated but dont worry i
will put you out of your missery if you give me your address
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 12:19 pm
From: Irving Supporter
Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 20 Mar 2006 08:40:08 -0800, "Honest Aryan" <ha@centralpets.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The real problem is that today's folks have
>> difficulty getting their minds round the sheer
>> numbers of ancient Aryans.
>
> Yo Adolph, fuck off and die.
insults are the last refuge of the "out argued"
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TOPIC: Oh these godawful pakis
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ccf35ff4f6c248a
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 7:51 pm
From: "harmony"
i have a feeling that those 8 reactors under hindu supervision will do
better in terms of following the rules than the ones under under-(the
table)-national supervision of the super corrupt united nations. we all know
the record of the food-for-oil un scandal, now don't we?
"rkusenet" <rkusenet@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:K64Sf.3682$fy1.216905@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Read the two paki editorials.
>
> http://www.dawn.com/2006/03/16/ed.htm#4
>
> http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/mar2006-daily/15-03-2006/oped/o1.htm
>
> Now compare this with the editorial in today's globe and mail, Canada's #1
> newspaper. The online version of it is restricted. I typed it below.
>
> =======================================================
> The Right message on nukes
>
> Marcus Gee mgee@globeandmail.ca
>
> Since India and the United States signed a historic nuclear
> pact this month, critics have been crying "double standard".
> How can Washignton demand than Iran abide by international
> rules against nuclear proliferation, while exempting India
> from those same rules? The answer is simple: because India
> and Iran are different.
>
> To begin with, India is a responsible democracy and Iran a
> lawless dictatorship. It only makes sense to deal with india
> differently because the word of its elected accountable leaders
> is more reliable than the word of the unelected, unaccountable
> theocracts who rule Iran. Supplying India with nuclear technology
> is not applying double standards, it is treating each country as
> it deserves. Iran's record of lying, cheating and fanaticism
> entitle it to be treated with extreme suspicion. India's democractic
> credentials entitle it to the benefit of the doubt.
>
> That is one reason why Bush decided to make an exception for India,
> departing from traditional American policy and agreeing to begin
> nuclear co-operation with New Delhi, even though it has never signed
> the NPT. The deal will bring India's nuclear program under international
> supervision for the first time. India will open 14 out of 22 reactors
> to inspectors from IAEA. The other eight, designated as military
facilities,
> will remain under indian supervision. In return, US companies will sell
> nuclear reactors and technology to india.
>
> The critics say that exempting India from the central bargain of the
> NPT - refrain from developing nuclear weapons and you will get help
> developing civilian nuclear power - will wreck the 1970 treaty. But
> this overlooks another reason why India needs to be treated differently.
> It is not a member of NPT. Believing that the treaty gave an unfair
> advantage to the established members of the nuclear club, New Delhi
> refused to sign. It developed nuclear weapons on its own, exploding
> its first nuclear device in 1974 and becoming a declared nuclear power
> in 1998. The deal with Washington merely recognizes that reality: India
> already has nuclear weapons.
>
>
> Iran, by contrast, is a would-be nuclear power that will be use every
> trick in the book to get the The Bomb. It joined the NPT, swore to
> abide by its rules and then broke them. North Korea did the same thing.
> Giving them a pass for their cheating would be foolhardy because
> they have proved untrustworthy and therefore dangerous. India, by
> contrast, has been a relatively responsible nuclear power. Unlike its
> neighbour Pakistan, whose leading atomic scientist sold nuclear secrets
> to rouge nations, india has worked hard to prevent its nuclear technology
> from falling into the hands of others.
>
> Far from disemboweling the NPT, the deal with Washington advances it by
> giving a major nuclear power a stake in an international regime it has
> always rejected. When India divides its nuclear program into civilian
> and military sides, putting the civilian side under outside superivison,
> it coems at least part way under thr NPT umberlla. Small wonder that the
> IAEA director-general, Mohd ElBaradei has called the deal "a milestone
> timely for ongoing efforst to consolidate the non-proliferation regime,
> combat nuclear terrorism and stregthen nuclear safety".
>
> The deal is not perfect. It would have been better if the Indians had
> placed all, instead of some, of their nuclear facilities under
supervision.
> It would have been better if India had made a binding agreement not to
> test nuclear devices in future, rather than a promise to refrain for the
> time being. It would have been better if India's prototype fast-breeder
> reactors were subject to inspection, rather than remaining as military
> facilities. The US COngress can still push for these changes before it
> ratifies the agreement. But the heart of the deal - normalizing India's
> nuclear status in return for some supervision of its program - is sound.
>
> Those who say it sends the wrong message miss the point. It sends exactly
> the right message: Responsible democracies get better treatment than rogue
> regimes. No double standard in that.
>
>
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/Page/document/v4/sub/MarketingPage?user_URL=http://www.theglobeandmail.com%2Fservlet%2Fstory%2FLAC.20060315.COGEE15%2FTPStory%2FComment&ord=44312&brand=theglobeandmail&redirect_reason=2&denial_reasons=4140981%3A0%3B1927361%3A0%3B4141001%3A4%3B1927381%3A4%3B&force_login=false
>
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TOPIC: Truth offends Arabs
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/3eb82bdf273c49c9
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 8:37 pm
From: "rkusenet"
Over 100 copies of the social studies text book (For American School in Adu Dabi),
taught to the sixth grade children were confiscated by the Ministry
of Education yesterday, for allegedly presenting Islam and the Muslim countries
including Gulf states in a negative light while glorifying Israel on the other hand,
Khaleej Times has learnt.
Now what has been written in the text book which is so offending to our muslim
brothers:-
" It has been accused that chapter 25 of the book running from page 599 to 614 contains a deluge
of derogatory remarks against Islam and the Muslim world, for example, dubbing Middle East as one
of the most dangerously explosive areas in the world and the Muslim conquest of India as the most
bloodiest in the world history, to mention a few. "
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/theuae/2006/February/theuae_February883.xml§ion=theuae&col
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TOPIC: Martin Luther King, Jr.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/66d25f3a6c6b688d
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 8:53 pm
From: "serwad"
"DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
news:RoFTf.6479$a97.1290@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
> "When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews, You are talking
> anti-Semitism."
ASSUMING THAT JEWS ARE SEMITES, OF COURSE!
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 8:54 pm
From: "serwad"
<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:_IHTf.151$4N1.67@trnddc06...
>
> On 20-Mar-2006, "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote:
>
>> "When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews, You are talking
>> anti-Semitism."
>>
>> * Note from jewish-history.com: We searched the archive of Saturday
>> Review
>> where this letter allegedly was published. This periodical is a weekly,
>> not
>> a monthly, so there were four issues published during the month of
>> August,
>> 1967. Of these four issues, two contained 76 or more pages. On p. 76 of
>> one
>> issue, were classified ads, on p. 76 of the other issue, a review of the
>> Beatles album Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. There were no
>> articles
>> by Dr. King on Zionism or any other topic. Nor is there any anthology of
>> Martin Luther King entitled This I Believe.
>>
>> Dear jewish-history.com visitor:
>>
>> We received the following message from the media watchdog group CAMERA:
>>
>> We am sorry to inform you that the "Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend"
>> allegedly written by Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., is apparently a hoax.
>> Although, the basic message of the letter was indeed, without question,
>> spoken by Martin Luther King, Jr. in a 1968 appearance at Harvard, where
>> he
>> said: "When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews, You are talking
>> anti-Semitism." [ from "The Socialism of Fools: The Left, the Jews and
>> Israel" by Seymour Martin Lipset; in Encounter magazine, December 1969,
>> p.
>> 24. ].
>
> The most interesting thing is that his family, who protect his
> words/legacy
> with an iron fist in a velvet glove, have NOT repudiated this "letter";
> they
> maintain that since he meant it anyway (from his speech), they have no
> need.
>
> Susan
There is no need to repudiate it because it does not exist!
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TOPIC: How Long Does the US Plan to Stay in Iraq?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9f2af91f81b9d71c
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 7:57 pm
From: Whiskey Tango
NY.Transfer.News@blythe.org wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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>
> How Long Does the US Plan to Stay in Iraq?
>
Plan? You think Duhbya actually has a PLAN?!!! LMAO!
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TOPIC: who will put the bell on the cat?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/3d538d9c70b9eeaf
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 5:57 pm
From: "LongmuirG"
Stephen Sprunk wistfully wrote:
> To work, all the OPEC members would need to toe the line voluntarily and/or
> there'd need to be a way to penalize ones that didn't. Experience shows
> there's little danger of that.
Analysis of past oil markets shows that most OPEC members have been
pumping all the oil they could all the time -- they could not produce
much more if they wanted to. Market discipline has come almost
entirely from Saudi Arabia, with some help from Kuwait. For most of
the past 30 years "experience", the Saudis had surplus installed
production capacity -- they were producing over10 Million Bbl/d in the
early 1970s; that dropped all the way back to less than 4 Million
Bbl/d in the 1980s; and is only now getting back to the 1970s level.
Bottom line, past "experience" may not be a good guide to future
behavior.
There is discussion already in Middle East publications that it does
not make sense for Gulf countries to invest too much in additional oil
production capacity -- they have so many other social needs for the
money, due to their rapidly growing population. Why invest money in
surplus oil production capacity just to hold the price down?
What EUtopia has demonstrated to the Gulf oil producers is that the
end-use consumer is already paying a very high price for oil-derived
vehicle fuels, without triggering meaningful competition from new
fuels. The only problem is that much of that economic rent on oil is
going to greedy EUnuch governments, not to the deserving Gulf oil
producers (as they see it). Don't assume that OPEC producers have not
noticed, or don't care; don't assume that the future will be the same
as the past.
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TOPIC: Do you have a moment to help Impeach President Bush?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/910b4b1caac725a9
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 6:00 pm
From: "Felix D." <#1Chekist@OGPU.org>
"Calife" <user@user.net> wrote in message
news:441e6dd3$0$14117$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr...
> Thanks for pointing out yet again the cowardice of the amerikan
> military: send in machines to do the shooting from far away, then send
> in our precious golden boys when all opposition has been destroyed
> safely, and when GI Joe can parade looking tough in kevlar and goggles
> in area cleared up of any opposition, and in effect safer than a
> stateside school playground!
Far better to just admit defeat and lay down our arms, eh? Just embrace
sharia and forget about freedom - the same choice you frogs will be making
in another couple of years or so because you were oh so sophisticated, oh so
far above it all to defend your way of life and your own country.
You'll be happy as hell to get off the refugee boat in New York City, won't
you? Too bad we'll be torpedoing those boats halfway across the Atlantic.
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TOPIC: Hey U.S. Military Members: Is THIS what you signed-up for?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d3fa50b54e3f0ec7
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 9:04 pm
From: "Joe S."
"127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:13448503.Xo2IkhaH65@FreeBSD...
> www.halturnershow.com
Hal Turner?
You have got to be out of your mind.
I mean, we have some real nutcases on this NG but Hal Turner is so fucking
loony that the NJ skinheads refused to have anything to do with him.
This guy is a racist of the worst type; he broadcasts on shortwave radio and
a couple of truly kooky low-power AM stations. He's a loon.
Hal Turner makes out resident rightwing wackjobs look like sane little old
ladies.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 9:17 pm
From: "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1>
Joe S. wrote:
>
> "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
> news:13448503.Xo2IkhaH65@FreeBSD...
>> www.halturnershow.com
>
> Hal Turner?
>
> You have got to be out of your mind.
>
> I mean, we have some real nutcases on this NG but Hal Turner is so fucking
> loony that the NJ skinheads refused to have anything to do with him.
>
> This guy is a racist of the worst type; he broadcasts on shortwave radio
> and
> a couple of truly kooky low-power AM stations. He's a loon.
>
> Hal Turner makes out resident rightwing wackjobs look like sane little old
> ladies.
Yeah, kill the messanger and not the message, eh?
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TOPIC: The End Of Civilization
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d2baa9ec038dd4fd
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 6:06 pm
From: Nicholas Name
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 00:23:44 -0000, "Harry" <harry@leavemealone.com>
wrote:
>
>"Nicholas Name" <nobody@all.com> wrote in message
>news:hgos1210np50cf9ik8udigl51o9uu2bc1b@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:51:09 -0800, "Felix D." <#1Chekist@OGPU.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Islam Will Replace Collapsing Amerikan Empire"
>>><islam_to_replace_amerikan_empire@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:5QcTf.107$ji6.7327@news20.bellglobal.com...
>>>> The End Of Civilization
>>>>
>>>> By Dave Eriqat
>>>>
>>>> I had a mild epiphany the other day: it's not President Bush who's
>>>> living
>>>in
>>>> a fantasy world, it's most of his critics who are. I'm no apologist for
>>>> Bush - I neither like nor dislike him. He's no more significant to me
>>>> than
>>>a
>>>> fly buzzing around outside my window. So permit me to explain my
>>>reasoning.
>>>> Continued
>>>
>>>
>>>Let Islam win this one and it really will be the end of civilization.
>>>These
>>>ignorant savages can recite the Koran inside out and backwards, but go
>>>ahead
>>>and ask them to add two and two.
>>
>> Your poisonous rhetoric may convince yourself and other necrophillic
>> bigots, but your ignorance is really profound.
>>
>> http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/980422/1998042208.html
>>
>> Another invention that revolutionized mathematics was the introduction
>> of the number zero by Muhammad Bin Ahmad in 967 AD. Zero was
>> introduced in the West as late as the beginning of the thirteenth
>> century. Modern society takes the invention of the zero for granted,
>> yet the Zero is a non-trivial concept, that allowed major mathematical
>> breakthroughs.
>>
>>
>> Arab contributions to mathematics and the introduction of the Zero
>> Regional, Science
>>
>>
>> Arab contributions to human civilization are noteworthy. In arithmetic
>> the style of writing digits from right to left is an evidence of its
>> Arab origin. For instance, the numeral for five hundred in English
>> should be written as 005, not as 500 according to English's
>> left-to-right reading style.
>>
>> Another invention that revolutionized mathematics was the introduction
>> of the number zero by Muhammad Bin Ahmad in 967 AD. Zero was
>> introduced in the West as late as the beginning of the thirteenth
>> century. Modern society takes the invention of the zero for granted,
>> yet the Zero is a non-trivial concept, that allowed major mathematical
>> breakthroughs.
>>
>> Arab civilizations also made a great contribution to fractions and to
>> the principle of errors, which is employed to solve Algebra problems
>> arithmetically.
>>
>> Concerning Algebra, al-Khawarzmi is credited with the first treatise.
>> He solved Algebra equations of the first and second degree (known as
>> quadratic equations, and are are prevelant in science and engineering)
>> and also introduced the geometrical method of solving these equations.
>> He also recognized that quadratic equations have two roots. His method
>> was continued by Thabet Bin Qura, the translator of Ptolemy's works
>> who developed Algebra and first realized application in geometry. By
>> the 11th century the Arabs had founded, developed and perfected
>> geometrical algebra and could solve equations of the third and fourth
>> degree.
>>
>> Another outstanding Arab mathematician is Abul Wafa who created and
>> successfully developed a branch of geometry which consists of problems
>> leading to equations in Algebra of a higher degree than the second. He
>> made a number of valuable contributions to polyhedral theory.
>>
>> Al-Karaki, of the 11th century is considered to be one of the greatest
>> Arab mathematicians. He composed one arithmetic book and another on
>> Algebra. In the two books, he developed an approximate method of
>> finding square roots, a theory of indices, a theory of mathematical
>> induction and a theory of intermediate quadratic equations.
>>
>> Arabs have excelled in geometry, starting with the transition of
>> Euclid and conic section of Apolonios and they preserved the genuine
>> works of these two Greek masters for the modern world, by the 9th
>> century AD. and then started making new discoveries in this domain.
>>
>> In his book translated by Roger Bacon, Ibn al-Haitham wrote a book on
>> geometrical optics, dealing with problems that would be difficult to
>> solve even now.
>>
>> It is also at the hand of the Arabs that the geometry of conic
>> sections was developed to a great extent.
>>
>> However, Arab achievements in this field were crowned by the discovery
>> made by Abu Jafar Muhammad Ibn Muhammad Ibn al-Hassan, known as
>> Nassereddine al-Tusi. Al-Tusi separated trigonometry from astronomy.
>> This contribution recognizes and explains weakness in Euclid's theory
>> of parallels, and thereby may thus be credited as founder of
>> non-Euclidian geometry.
>>
>>
>
>
>and the last invention of note was when??????
>
>11th Century.
Not the sharpest knife in the box are you?
" How Islamic inventors changed the world"
.The technique of inoculation was not invented by Jenner and Pasteur
but was devised in the Muslim world and brought
to Europe from Turkey by the wife of the English ambassador to
Istanbul in 1724. Children in Turkey were vaccinated with
cowpox to fight the deadly smallpox at least 50 years before the West
discovered it.
"1001 Inventions: Discover the Muslim Heritage in Our World" is a new
exhibition which began a nationwide tour this
week. It is currently at the Science Museum in Manchester.
For more
information, go to www.1001inventions.com.
1 The story goes that an Arab named Khalid was tending his goats in
the
Kaffa region of southern Ethiopia, when he
noticed his animals became livelier after eating a certain berry. He
boiled
the berries to make the first coffee.
Certainly the first record of the drink is of beans exported from
Ethiopia
to Yemen where Sufis drank it to stay awake
all night to pray on special occasions. By the late 15th century it
had
arrived in Mecca and Turkey from where it made
its way to Venice in 1645. It was brought to England in 1650 by a Turk
named
Pasqua Rosee who opened the first coffee
house in Lombard Street in the City of London. The Arabic qahwa became
the
Turkish kahve then the Italian caff? and then
English coffee.
2 The ancient Greeks thought our eyes emitted rays, like a laser,
which
enabled us to see. The first person to realise
that light enters the eye, rather than leaving it, was the
10th-century
Muslim mathematician, astronomer and physicist
Ibn al-Haitham. He invented the first pin-hole camera after noticing
the way
light came through a hole in window
shutters. The smaller the hole, the better the picture, he worked out,
and
set up the first Camera Obscura (from the
Arab word qamara for a dark or private room). He is also credited with
being
the first man to shift physics from a
philosophical activity to an experimental one.
3 A form of chess was played in ancient India but the game was
developed
into the form we know it today in Persia. From
there it spread westward to Europe - where it was introduced by the
Moors in
Spain in the 10th century - and eastward as
far as Japan. The word rook comes from the Persian rukh, which means
chariot.
4 A thousand years before the Wright brothers a Muslim poet,
astronomer,
musician and engineer named Abbas ibn Firnas
made several attempts to construct a flying machine. In 852 he jumped
from
the minaret of the Grand Mosque in Cordoba
using a loose cloak stiffened with wooden struts. He hoped to glide
like a
bird. He didn't. But the cloak slowed his
fall, creating what is thought to be the first parachute, and leaving
him
with only minor injuries. In 875, aged 70,
having perfected a machine of silk and eagles' feathers he tried
again,
jumping from a mountain. He flew to a
significant height and stayed aloft for ten minutes but crashed on
landing -
concluding, correctly, that it was because
he had not given his device a tail so it would stall on landing.
Baghdad
international airport and a crater on the Moon
are named after him.
5 Washing and bathing are religious requirements for Muslims, which is
perhaps why they perfected the recipe for soap
which we still use today. The ancient Egyptians had soap of a kind, as
did
the Romans who used it more as a pomade. But
it was the Arabs who combined vegetable oils with sodium hydroxide and
aromatics such as thyme oil. One of the
Crusaders' most striking characteristics, to Arab nostrils, was that
they
did not wash. Shampoo was introduced to
England by a Muslim who opened Mahomed's Indian Vapour Baths on
Brighton
seafront in 1759 and was appointed Shampooing
Surgeon to Kings George IV and William IV.
6 Distillation, the means of separating liquids through differences in
their
boiling points, was invented around the
year 800 by Islam's foremost scientist, Jabir ibn Hayyan, who
transformed
alchemy into chemistry, inventing many of the
basic processes and apparatus still in use today - liquefaction,
crystallisation, distillation, purification,
oxidisation, evaporation and filtration. As well as discovering
sulphuric
and nitric acid, he invented the alembic
still, giving the world intense rosewater and other perfumes and
alcoholic
spirits (although drinking them is haram, or
forbidden, in Islam). Ibn Hayyan emphasised systematic experimentation
and
was the founder of modern chemistry.
7 The crank-shaft is a device which translates rotary into linear
motion and
is central to much of the machinery in the
modern world, not least the internal combustion engine. One of the
most
important mechanical inventions in the history
of humankind, it was created by an ingenious Muslim engineer called
al-Jazari to raise water for irrigation. His 1206
Book of Knowledge of Ingenious Mechanical Devices shows he also
invented or
refined the use of valves and pistons,
devised some of the first mechanical clocks driven by water and
weights, and
was the father of robotics. Among his 50
other inventions was the combination lock.
8 Quilting is a method of sewing or tying two layers of cloth with a
layer
of insulating material in between. It is not
clear whether it was invented in the Muslim world or whether it was
imported
there from India or China. But it certainly
came to the West via the Crusaders. They saw it used by Saracen
warriors,
who wore straw-filled quilted canvas shirts
instead of armour. As well as a form of protection, it proved an
effective
guard against the chafing of the Crusaders'
metal armour and was an effective form of insulation - so much so that
it
became a cottage industry back home in colder
climates such as Britain and Holland.
9 The pointed arch so characteristic of Europe's Gothic cathedrals was
an
invention borrowed from Islamic architecture.
It was much stronger than the rounded arch used by the Romans and
Normans,
thus allowing the building of bigger, higher,
more complex and grander buildings. Other borrowings from Muslim
genius
included ribbed vaulting, rose windows and
dome-building techniques. Europe's castles were also adapted to copy
the
Islamic world's - with arrow slits,
battlements, a barbican and parapets. Square towers and keeps gave way
to
more easily defended round ones. Henry V's
castle architect was a Muslim.
10 Many modern surgical instruments are of exactly the same design as
those
devised in the 10th century by a Muslim
surgeon called al-Zahrawi. His scalpels, bone saws, forceps, fine
scissors
for eye surgery and many of the 200
instruments he devised are recognisable to a modern surgeon. It was he
who
discovered that catgut used for internal
stitches dissolves away naturally (a discovery he made when his monkey
ate
his lute strings) and that it can be also
used to make medicine capsules. In the 13th century, another Muslim
medic
named Ibn Nafis described the circulation of
the blood, 300 years before William Harvey discovered it. Muslims
doctors
also invented anaesthetics of opium and
alcohol mixes and developed hollow needles to suck cataracts from eyes
in a
technique still used today.
11 The windmill was invented in 634 for a Persian caliph and was used
to
grind corn and draw up water for irrigation. In
the vast deserts of Arabia, when the seasonal streams ran dry, the
only
source of power was the wind which blew steadily
from one direction for months. Mills had six or 12 sails covered in
fabric
or palm leaves. It was 500 years before the
first windmill was seen in Europe.
12 The technique of inoculation was not invented by Jenner and Pasteur
but was devised in the Muslim world and brought
to Europe from Turkey by the wife of the English ambassador to
Istanbul in 1724. Children in Turkey were vaccinated with
cowpox to fight the deadly smallpox at least 50 years before the West
discovered it.
13 The fountain pen was invented for the Sultan of Egypt in 953 after
he demanded a pen which would not stain his hands
or clothes. It held ink in a reservoir and, as with modern pens, fed
ink to the nib by a combination of gravity and
capillary action.
14 The system of numbering in use all round the world is probably
Indian in
origin but the style of the numerals is
Arabic and first appears in print in the work of the Muslim
mathematicians al-Khwarizmi and al-Kindi around 825. Algebra
was named after al-Khwarizmi's book, Al-Jabr wa-al-Muqabilah, much of
whose contents are still in use. The work of
Muslim maths scholars was imported into Europe 300 years later by the
Italian mathematician Fibonacci. Algorithms and
much of the theory of trigonometry came from the Muslim world. And
Al-Kindi's discovery of frequency analysis rendered
all the codes of the ancient world soluble and created the basis of
modern
cryptology.
15 Ali ibn Nafi, known by his nickname of Ziryab (Blackbird) came from
Iraq to Cordoba in the 9th century and brought
with him the concept of the three-course meal - soup, followed by fish
or meat, then fruit and nuts. He also introduced
crystal glasses (which had been invented after experiments with rock
crystal by Abbas ibn Firnas - see No 4).
16 Carpets were regarded as part of Paradise by medieval Muslims,
thanks to
their advanced weaving techniques, new
tinctures from Islamic chemistry and highly developed sense of pattern
and arabesque which were the basis of Islam's
non-representational art. In contrast, Europe's floors were distinctly
earthly, not to say earthy, until Arabian and Persian carpets were
introduced. In England, as Erasmus recorded, floors
were "covered in rushes, occasionally renewed,
but so imperfectly that the bottom layer is left undisturbed,
sometimes for 20 years, harbouring expectoration,
vomiting, the leakage of dogs and men, ale droppings, scraps of fish,
and other abominations not fit to be mentioned".
Carpets, unsurprisingly, caught on quickly.
17 The modern cheque comes from the Arabic saqq, a written vow to pay
for goods when they were delivered, to avoid money
having to be transported across dangerous terrain. In the 9th century,
a Muslim businessman could cash a cheque in China
drawn on his bank in Baghdad.
18 By the 9th century, many Muslim scholars took it for granted that
the Earth was a sphere. The proof, said astronomer
Ibn Hazm, "is that the Sun is always vertical to a particular spot on
Earth". It was 500 years before that realisation
dawned on Galileo. The calculations of Muslim astronomers were so
accurate that in the 9th century they reckoned the
Earth's circumference to be 40,253.4km - less than 200km out. The
scholar
al-Idrisi took a globe depicting the world to
the court of King Roger of Sicily in 1139.
19 Though the Chinese invented saltpetre gunpowder, and used it in
their
fireworks, it was the Arabs who worked out that
it could be purified using potassium nitrate for military use. Muslim
incendiary devices terrified the Crusaders. By the
15th century they had invented both a rocket, which they called a
"self-moving and combusting egg", and a torpedo - a
self-propelled pear-shaped bomb with a spear at the front which
impaled
itself in enemy ships and then blew up.
20 Medieval Europe had kitchen and herb gardens, but it was the Arabs
who developed the idea of the garden as a place of
beauty and meditation. The first royal pleasure gardens in Europe were
opened in 11th-century Muslim Spain. Flowers
which originated in Muslim gardens include the carnation and the
tulip.
"1001 Inventions: Discover the Muslim Heritage in Our World" is a new
exhibition which began a nationwide tour this
week. It is currently at the Science Museum in Manchester. For more
information, go to www.1001inventions.com.
>and since then they have devolved into the paedophile worshipping filth that
>murder all and sundry in the name of their moon-god.
nobody is interested in your family history.
http://www.slate.com/id/2138327/#ContinueArticle
America and Iraq: The Anniversary
Remembering the start of War in Iraq
The American public thinks the issue is simply whether we will win,
and how quickly, and at what cost. What is not widely perceived is
that victory in Iraq could be worse in the long run than defeat or
stalemate.
Victory could be, as it was for Nazi Germany in 1939-41, the first
step on the road to hell.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 6:12 pm
From: "Felix D." <#1Chekist@OGPU.org>
"Nicholas Name" <nobody@all.com> wrote in message
news:hgos1210np50cf9ik8udigl51o9uu2bc1b@4ax.com...
<CUT>
Blah, blah, blah: this is all old stuff. Considering the Arabs haven't
done shit but stagnate for the last 500 years, what's your point? They're a
dead culture sustained by a fanatic religion, and both are on their way out.
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TOPIC: Afghan Man Sentenced to Death for Converting
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/bd295e44b8e99935
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 7:18 pm
From: "Seeker" <4not_listed_due_to_spam_bots_121101@dont.reply>
"Romanise" <joshidm@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1142854964.227504.88750@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> > ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >> Weasel!
>
>> "Romanise" <joshidm@gmail.com> wrote
>> > Skunk would be more appropriate.
>> > Shows what losing hindu wife to a gigolo can do to a muslim and that
>> > too a Pakistani.
>
>> Seeker wrote:
>> Prove it.
>
> Proof that you are a skunk is in the stench you give out on usenet.
>
> As for your wife Mr Rizvi's words are proof enough.
That proves your level of intelligence to be same as that of a cockroach.
>
>> > But doubt if Ranjit Mathews ever called anyone weasel, have you Ranjit?
>
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 7:28 pm
From: "Seeker" <4not_listed_due_to_spam_bots_121101@dont.reply>
<ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1142898721.710732.117440@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Seeker wrote:
>> <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote ...
>> But then you said the following:
>> "If there was such a law in Muslim princely states, it has been repealed
>> after they became part of India. There has never been such a law in
>> non-Muslim states in India."
>
> "Such a law" means a law providing for a death penalty for converting
> oneself.
No that is the punishement imposed by the law. The law itself is
anti-conversion principle.
>
>> And I responded to that specific statement.
>> Now, I showed you how Hindu princely states had anti-conversion laws.
>
> There were some with laws directed at proselytizers converting other
> people. I'm not aware of a law (in Hindu states) that dealt with a
> situation of someone converting himself.
You know now. I provided you with specific laws enacted in the Hindu
princely states that prevented conversions.
>
>> >> I am answering Ranjit's claim that only
>> >> Muslim princely states outlawed conversion.
>> >
>> > I didn't write anything about outlawing of conversion; I referred only
>> > to death penalties for conversion. Be that as it may, the bills in the
>> > avove mentioned Princely states addressed only proselytization; they
>>
>> What is the difference?
>
> Proselytization is a person seeking to convert other people.
Whether the law seeks to punish the "convertor" or the "convertee" the
message is the same: don't convert.
>
>> > didn't address conversion at all. Try finding a law under which it was
>> > illegal for someone to convert himself. (Read the subject title
>> > carefully; it is for converting himself that the Afghan is in danger of
>> > being sentenced to death).
>>
>> And I showed you that in India too laws have been passed to prevent
>> conversion.
>
> Quote a law directed at someone who converts himself (who commits
> apostacy).
That's not what we are discussing here. There is really no such thing. There
is always an actor and there is always a subject.
>
>> If the Afghan in qusestion knew that converting to Xtianity will
>> land him on death row, and he still converted, well he took a risk. If he
>> really wanted to convert, he could have done it elsewhere. In the
>> meantime,
>> he broke a law in Afghanistan and is being charged with breaking that
>> law.
>
> ... and this Afghan law, or rather Sharia law, the source of this
> particular Afghan law, and the penalty for breaking that law is what
> this thread is all about.
No, the thread is about the law itself, not the penalty.
>
>> Now, we all know that Afghanistan is not an "ideal democracy" like India.
>> Indians here have been denying any wrong in India and have been
>> consistently
>> using India as a model far superior to any other country. Indians have
>> been
>> specifically claiming superiority over Muslim countries.
>>
>> I have shown you that laws have been passed in Tamil Nadu to prevent
>> conversions.
>
> There hasn't been a law in Tamilnadu to deal with apostacy (a situation
> of someone who leaves a religion or converts himself to another
> religion).
The Afghan didn't convert himself either. He was converted.
>
>> As far as death penalty is concerned. The defacto law of the
>> land in India to not only kill the Dalit who converted, but to burn his
>> entire village.
>
> No court in the Republic of India has passed a sentence of killling a
> Dalit and burning his village. In Afghanistan, it appears that a court
> may pass a death sentence for apostacy.
That is a minor detail. Whether a court imposes the pain of death on someone
for conversion or a mob lynches someone for conversion, the end result is
the same -- a person dead.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 6:34 pm
From: nkdatta2467@bigmailbox.net
ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> No. I don't notice any such law mentioned. Try searching yourself for
> any mention of something like a death penalty.
>
Et Tu Indonesia?
[Ma'ruf Amin, a vice chairman of the Indonesian Council of Ulemas and
the chairman of its fatwa committee, denies that the ulemas are
promoting hatred, and says Muslims who engage in deviant practices are
bringing violence upon themselves. "These kinds of people are the ones
who cause all the trouble, and the people wouldn't bother to riot if
there was no one who deviated," Amin said. "These kinds of people
should not exist."]
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-hatred20mar20,1,6400945.story?coll=la-headlines-world&ctrack=1&cset=true
LA Times
March 20, 2006
Separation of Mosque, State Wanes in Indonesia
By Richard C. Paddock, Times Staff Writer
MALANG, Indonesia - Yusman Roy, a former boxer and a convert to
Islam, is serving two years in prison because he believes that Muslims
should pray in a language they can understand.
Roy, who led bilingual prayer sessions at his small East Java boarding
school, is seen as a heretic by conservative Muslims here. They believe
true prayer can be conducted only in Arabic.
Roy's desire to pray in Indonesian has sparked such an outrage that he
was convicted last year in criminal court of "spreading hatred."
Animosity toward Roy ran so high that police posted guards to keep an
angry mob from torching his house and school.
Now, he is kept in a cell by himself at overcrowded Lowokwaru prison,
and the warden has warned him not to preach to his fellow inmates in
any language.
Roy is one of at least 10 Muslims incarcerated in recent months for
what the Indonesian Council of Ulemas, the country's most influential
Muslim body in setting religious policy, has deemed deviant thinking.
"The government and the council have been working together to suppress
my ideas," Roy said during an interview in prison. "But this will not
stop me from doing what I believe."
Indonesia is a democratic, secular country, and there is no
constitutional basis for using Islamic law in court in most regions.
But insulting a religion is a crime, and a fatwa, or religious edict,
issued by the Council of Ulemas can carry great weight as evidence of
an alleged offense to Islam.
Indonesia, which has more than 190 million Muslims, the world's largest
Islamic population, has become increasingly conservative since the 1998
collapse of President Suharto's military regime. In recent years, the
government has grown more active in enforcing religious law.
In recent months, fatwas issued by the Indonesian Council of Ulemas and
its regional councils denouncing clerics and cults as deviant have been
followed by arrests, prosecution and sometimes mob violence against the
accused.
Sumardi Tappaya, 60, a high school religious teacher on the island of
Sulawesi, was locked up in January after a relative told police he had
heard Sumardi whistling while he prayed. The whistling was declared
deviant by the local ulemas, and Sumardi is now in jail awaiting trial
on charges of religious blasphemy. He faces five years in prison.
Ardhi Husain, 50, who ran an Islamic center in East Java that treated
drug addiction and cancer with traditional medicine and prayer, was
sentenced in September to five years in prison for writing a book that
the ulemas said contained 70 "errors," such as claiming that Muhammad
was not the last prophet and that non-Muslims could go to heaven. Five
editors of the book also received five-year terms. An employee who sold
a copy to a neighbor received three years.
After Husain's arrest, a mob burned down his facility. No one has been
arrested in the attack.
Lia Aminuddin, 58, who claims to be the Virgin Mary and leads the
quasi-Islamic God's Kingdom of Eden cult, was arrested in December on
blasphemy charges after thousands of angry protesters surrounded her
headquarters in Jakarta, the Indonesian capital. The ulemas and
demonstrators accused her of insulting Islam by claiming that she was
married to the archangel Gabriel and that God spoke to her through him.
(In Islam, Gabriel, or Jibril, is revered as the archangel who
communicated God's word to Muhammad.)
Prominent human rights lawyer Adnan Buyung Nasution, whose Indonesian
Legal Aid Foundation represents several of the accused, says the
government is ignoring zealots who commit religious violence and
instead prosecuting the targets of religious hatred.
"The intolerance is becoming worse," Nasution said. "Why are the
victims being punished?"
Fighting between Muslims and Christians has claimed thousands of lives
in Indonesia in recent years, and Islamic suicide bombers have staged
high-profile attacks in Bali and Jakarta that have killed hundreds.
Less visible has been the effort by conservative Muslims to compel
other members of their faith to hew to a more traditional line.
The Indonesian Council of Ulemas, which is made up of 43 Muslim
scholars and leaders of major Islamic organizations, was formed in 1975
to guide Muslims on how to live in accordance with Islamic principles.
Muslims make up more than 85% of the nation's population.
The council has recently issued fatwas banning women from leading
prayers if a man is present and prohibiting Muslims from praying
alongside members of other religions. Provincial and local branches of
the council also have issued numerous fatwas regulating Islamic
practices.
Ma'ruf Amin, a vice chairman of the Indonesian Council of Ulemas and
the chairman of its fatwa committee, says the ulemas' role is to define
proper behavior for Muslims and to set boundaries that protect the
purity of Islam.
He denies that the ulemas are promoting hatred, and says Muslims who
engage in deviant practices are bringing violence upon themselves.
"These kinds of people are the ones who cause all the trouble, and the
people wouldn't bother to riot if there was no one who deviated," Amin
said. "These kinds of people should not exist."
Some moderate Muslim leaders charge that the Council of Ulemas has been
infiltrated by hard-line groups, particularly the Islamic Defenders
Front.
Defenders Front Chairman Habib Rizieq, who declares himself a follower
of Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, says it is important to keep
Muslims from being swayed by ideas deemed to be heretical, such as
bilingual prayer. "All deviant teaching has to be banned," he said.
It is clear that Roy, 51, is not a conventional Muslim.
An eagle carrying a red heart is tattooed on the back of his left hand.
His Koran is in Indonesian as well as Arabic, and on nearly every page
he has highlighted passages in yellow and marked them in pen. A
flattened nose and a cauliflower ear testify to his days as a
professional boxer. He says he once held the Indonesian lightweight
record for the fastest knockout: 59 seconds.
Sitting cross-legged on a thin mat on the floor of the prison visiting
room, the father of nine contends that he is a victim of religious
persecution. He says he is being silenced for challenging the Islamic
establishment, particularly the Council of Ulemas, with his effort to
ensure that all Muslims understand the principles of their religion.
"My original thinking has made them jealous," said Roy, wearing his
prison denims and sporting a few short whiskers on his chin.
Born to a Dutch Catholic mother and an Indonesian Muslim father, Roy
chose Catholicism as a teenager but converted to Islam when he was in
his early 30s. He says Islam helped save him from a life of a crime and
violence.
Even as he boxed professionally, he says, he hired himself out to
businessmen and politicians to beat up rivals and critics, collect
money from debtors and recruit thugs to carry out mayhem. He avoided
prison by bribing police whenever he was arrested, he says.
Roy embraced Islam but, like most Indonesians, never learned Arabic
well.
The disadvantage is greatest when it comes to salat, the prayers
performed by the faithful five times a day while facing Mecca. Many
scholars interpret Muhammad's guidance to "pray like you see me
praying" to mean that salat can be performed only in Arabic. But other
scholars disagree, saying there is nothing sacred about Arabic itself.
In theory, Indonesian Muslims learn the meaning of their prayers in
their own language as they memorize the Arabic words. But Roy estimates
that at least 70% of Indonesia's Muslims don't know what their prayers
mean. Most Indonesians defer to Arabic speakers in interpreting the
Koran, he says, which can make them vulnerable to the teachings of
militant Muslims.
"Because of their lack of understanding, they do not have high-quality
prayers," he says. "That is why there are people who are angry and
commit violence. If they had high-quality prayers, they would not
become terrorists."
At his small boarding school and residence on the outskirts of Malang,
Roy quietly began three years ago to lead salat in Indonesian for a few
of his followers. His practice might have gone unnoticed, but in his
zeal to spread his idea, he made a video of himself praying in
Indonesian and Arabic and distributed copies at nearby mosques.
Word of Roy's practices soon reached members of the Islamic Defenders
Front, whose white-robed members confronted him during a debate at his
school. The local and provincial ulema councils issued fatwas against
him. Some in the community became outraged, and Roy was put on trial.
Prosecutor Ahmad Arifin, 39, who tried the case against Roy, presented
nine witnesses, including three from the local and provincial ulema
councils. The fatwas were entered as evidence that Islam rejects
bilingual prayer and that Roy had insulted Islam.
"He distributed his video, and it spread hatred in the community,"
Arifin said. "People hated Roy for spreading his ideas in a public
way."
In August, the judge acquitted Roy of the charge that his teachings
deviated from Islam, but found him guilty of inciting hatred by
challenging the views of local clerics.
Roy seems to accept his fate with equanimity. Serving two years in
prison for his faith, he says, helps atone for his violent crimes that
went unpunished. He says prison has only affirmed his belief in
bilingual prayer, and he plans to continue pushing for its adoption
once he is freed.
Roy's sentence is only six months shorter than the term given radical
cleric Abu Bakar Bashir, the purported spiritual leader of Jemaah
Islamiah. The Southeast Asian affiliate of Al Qaeda is believed to have
killed at least 225 people in suicide bombings in Bali and Jakarta.
Yet some think two years behind bars may be too short for Roy.
"Whether it is enough depends on whether he realizes his error," said
Rizieq, the Islamic Defenders Front leader. "If he doesn't, not even a
life sentence is enough."
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TOPIC: Jobs That Americans Won't Do ?? Think Again
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5f87ba45eaeed9fb
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 6:11 pm
From: Antipodean Bucket Farmer
In article <44gp12lppau5hdf694lu4qrabnvsemngad@4ax.com>,
amde@aol.com says...
> On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:14:09 -0500, in misc.consumers.frugal-living "Janie"
> <nobody@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> ><amde@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:4aep12dm1c9svtfd5japljnnfjb0jeocob@4ax.com...
> >> On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 20:22:48 -0500, in misc.consumers.frugal-living
> >> "Popeye"
> >> <Popeye@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>><amde@aol.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:tvoo12t5slkpm9n56fmuk18akv7gl1fbih@4ax.com...
> >>>> On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 14:22:38 -0500, in misc.consumers.frugal-living
> >>>> "Popeye"
> >>>> <Popeye@Finalprotectivefire.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In the intervening years we've owned Honda, Toyota and Nissan
> >>>>>> products.
> >>>>>> Been happy with every single one.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Same reply.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Glad you're happy, it's just that your opinion simply isn't informed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But then in this case, there's no need for it to be.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> After owning a Ford Aerostar I'll never buy another Ford unless it's
> >>>> designed by
> >>>> Mazda. That Damn Van was so expensive to keep repaired and it was
> >>>> always
> >>>> breaking down. Yes It got 167,000 miles out of it.. I owned it for the
> >>>> last
> >>>> 60,000 miles and I spent $10,000 repairing it in that time. The final
> >>>> straw was
> >>>> when the newly rebuilt tranny with only 12,000 miles on it started to
> >>>> act
> >>>> up.
> >>>
> >>> It's all perspective.
> >>>
> >>> You have no idea what it went through the first 100k.
> >>
> >>
> >> Yes I do.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> The trans rebuild going bad had nothing to do with the Ford, but the
> >>>rebuilder.
> >>>
> >>> If you spent 10k on repairs, you probably got ripped off continually,
> >>>indicating you don't know much about cars.
> >>
> >> Well most mechanics are crooks who will do or say anything even when the
> >> whole
> >> world knows it's a lie.
> >
> >Yea, especially if an older woman comes in who looks like she doesn't have a
> >clue---that's me. While out of town I had major problems, paid more than a
> >grand for a job, car had more problems than before the repair. The dealer
> >who sold the car repaired the repair when I finally got home.
> >
>
>
> There are some good honest mechanics out there, that was just a jab at the oh so
> trollable "technician" in this group.
>
> While vacationing in Missoula Montana summer before last my Aerostar needed a
> tow. They towed the hunk of junk about 15 miles and with a special type of tow
> since it was all wheel drive and could not be drug around like a normal car.
> They only charged $50 or so for the tow. Turned out the Van needed an ignition
> module, the mechanic shopped around and got me a used one for far less then the
> cost of new. Their labor rate was reasonable too.
Lesson: Carry spare parts and tools with you. For an ignition
module, my labour rate (to myself) would be $zero.
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 6:21 pm
From: Antipodean Bucket Farmer
In article <4889f1Fj0q8iU1@individual.net>, Jonl@myday.com
says...
> George Grapman wrote:
> > websurf1@cox.net wrote:
> >
> >> Titix wrote:
> >>
> >>> Bev, the unions didn't kill the US auto industry. The industry itself
> >>> is to
> >>
> >> blame for their bad time.
> >>
> >> I'd think they did it together. Especially lately, when there is a
> >> "job bank". Thousands of workers who were "laid off" get full pay,
> >> while they sit around waiting to see if someone wants them for
> >> something. Sometimes they accept volunteer positions and do some good
> >> stuff. Sometimes they just sit in the office reading the newspaper.
> >> Layoffs are tough--I know personally. But the jobs bank is costing
> >> lots of cash to companies that are in the red. That's one reason.
> >>
> > Interesting that the NUMMI plant here , a joint Toyota/GM venture is
> > doing fine with a full union shop.
> >
> Interesting also....I once saw the wage/benefit pkg of unionized
> Mercedes & BMW workers in Germany. Shock n Awe!! Amazing, they're able
> to compete, paying those astronomical wages. Makes US autoworkers look
> like paupers.
It isn't about the absolute dollars-per-week wage. There are
also issues about the general price-levels in the market (selling
cars to Germans), along with other employers' offerings, the
prices that those workers pay for rent/food, and
societal/governmental things, like taxes and health-care.
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TOPIC: Lets Stop With the Auschwitz Lies.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/399c1c7c48647bb2
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 6:42 pm
From: "¿mÿ§t뮦@n?"
In talk.politics.guns "No More Lies !" <No.Lies@Lies.No> wrote:
>This was a work camp.
>http://judicial-inc.biz/Auschwitz.htm
What really bothers you guys is that Jews kicked your asses, huh?
[chuckle]
_____________________________________________________
"Still with your immature personal attacks, Dufus?"
-Kurt Harrington-Lochner, showing us why
he's still the master of hypocrisy
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TOPIC: "TERRORIST NO. 1"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/3753b1f7244a3a55
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 6:45 pm
From: "serwad"
Belarussian leader labels Bush "terrorist no. 1"
MINSK (Reuters) - Belarussian President Alexander Lukashenko, derided in
Washington for running "Europe's last dictatorship", hit back on Sunday by
denouncing U.S. President George W. Bush as "terrorist No. 1 on the planet".
"Bush is terrorist no. 1 on the planet," Lukashenko told reporters after
voting in Belarus's presidential election.
"To crush a state openly and then to go ahead and kill presidents. What is
there to say?"
Lukashenko was responding to questions about a report submitted by Bush's
administration to Congress accusing the Belarussian leader of accumulating
large sums of money and selling arms to countries like Iran, Sudan and
Syria.
The Belarussian leader has long criticised Washington's interventions in
Iraq, Yugoslavia and other countries and rejects U.S. allegations that he
denies human rights.
Genuinely popular in his country of 10 million, Lukashenko is virtually
certain to defeat three challengers in Sunday's poll. He tells voters he has
provided them with stability and a degree of prosperity not known in nearby
ex-Soviet states.
In his comments, Lukashenko dismissed any suggestions of illicit arms sales
to countries accused by Washington of backing terrorism. Bush's report, he
said, was "petty blackmail".
"If Belarus had interfered in sponsoring terrorism, the situation would have
been stabilised a long time ago," Lukashenko said, adding he was willing to
disclose to Bush any details of his income.
"Please tell him that whatever money he has found, he can have it," he said.
"Let him look after his own income."
And he dismissed U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's comment - nearly
a year ago - describing Belarus as "the last true dictatorship in the centre
of Europe".
"If someone is happy calling me a dictator, that's just fine," he said.
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