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Friday, March 31, 2006

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Today's topics:

* Planned Parenthood Abortion Centers Lure Teens With iPods, Movie Tickets - 3
messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6b864d136cbf256
* The final end of Ali Asker the pkk a$$ - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2a781502bced1f5f
* Study: You're Wasting Your Time Praying! - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e9f4d8dfa08ede4e
* britain spends social program money in fighting unnecessary wars - 2
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6fac817935cfd690
* HOW TO REPORT ABUSE ON THE NET - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a6101ecc3228e05e
* REAL conservatives need to speak up! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9c8a065dd2a7418e
* Mushroom Cloud over Las Vegas: US Plans Test - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/616491651d306f4c
* What is Gender Feminism? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/89b5c69b70aedf93
* Muslim cleric held over Varanasi blasts - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c7da75b260e7e841
* Straw asks European leaders to learn more about Islam - 2 messages, 2
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/54fd6cb9c2d9e96b
* How man Bush cabinet members does it take to change a light bulb? - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f028a98281fc7552
* Global Warming Now Irreversible. Capitalist Way of Life Responsible - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2660b5dca799b991
* IRAN PLANS 'WAR GAMES' IN THE PERSIAN GULF........ - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/42726506b667902e
* Conservatives for 9/11 Truth - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/388fc762ceccda22

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TOPIC: Planned Parenthood Abortion Centers Lure Teens With iPods, Movie
Tickets
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6b864d136cbf256
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 5:15 pm
From: raven1

On 31 Mar 2006 04:32:42 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
<soundoftrumpet@mail2world.com> wrote:

>A poster announcing another Planned Parenthood program, called
>"Tell-A-Friend," includes a photograph of a teenage girl whispering
>into the ear of another teen and telling. The text of the ad reads:
>"Get free movie tickets? Yes. When you tell a friend about Planned
>Parenthood."

PP's objective in this case is to prevent teen pregnancies, not
terminate them. Not that an anti-choicer being disingenuous about that
part is anything surprising.
--

"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 5:33 pm
From: Christopher A. Lee

On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 17:15:31 -0500, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:

>On 31 Mar 2006 04:32:42 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
><soundoftrumpet@mail2world.com> wrote:
>
>>A poster announcing another Planned Parenthood program, called
>>"Tell-A-Friend," includes a photograph of a teenage girl whispering
>>into the ear of another teen and telling. The text of the ad reads:
>>"Get free movie tickets? Yes. When you tell a friend about Planned
>>Parenthood."
>
>PP's objective in this case is to prevent teen pregnancies, not
>terminate them. Not that an anti-choicer being disingenuous about that
>part is anything surprising.

They don't like contraception either.

I once heard Ralph Reed interviewed on public radio. He sounded
convincing - if you didn't listen too hard. Until he was asked about
birth control - when he went berserk, ranting about how sex was for
the procreation of children, a gift from god and if you didn't want
them you shouldn't have sex.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 5:34 pm
From: "Johnny"

"raven1" <quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:gdar22drmj8nbp9pj2q41j8fpo2k5tqtvt@4ax.com...
> On 31 Mar 2006 04:32:42 -0800, "Sound of Trumpet"
> <soundoftrumpet@mail2world.com> wrote:
>
>>A poster announcing another Planned Parenthood program, called
>>"Tell-A-Friend," includes a photograph of a teenage girl whispering
>>into the ear of another teen and telling. The text of the ad reads:
>>"Get free movie tickets? Yes. When you tell a friend about Planned
>>Parenthood."
>
> PP's objective in this case is to prevent teen pregnancies, not
> terminate them.

Why does their websoet exalt choice so much then?
Also, why are they halfass about it and want women to take bc pills which we
already know can increase the risk of breast cancer?

> Not that an anti-choicer being disingenuous about that
> part is anything surprising.

Ridiculous.
You gotta be kidding.
How many more times you want to put breast cancer in people's eyes?
I mean, people would rather hear some good news instead of all this crap
that pro-Choice brought upon us.
Do you think everyone gets a warm, fuzzy feeling about breast cancer and
abortions?

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TOPIC: The final end of Ali Asker the pkk a$$
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2a781502bced1f5f
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 2:15 pm
From: "gogu"

Richard wrote:
> And you may get the same fate as he if you don't take responsibility
> for a stray dog AKA Seanie Ruttledge who trashes Greek Culture in the
> name of Turkey.

You spelled THRASHES wrong DICKie bwoy and "Greek Culture" is an
oxymoronic contradiction in terms !

*LMFAOAY* DICK !

;-))))))))))))))))))))))))

E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A

Coins, travels, pidjins and more:
http://pig.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://www.putfile.com/naz1gogu

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 1 2006 12:36 am
From: Panta Rhei

gogu writes:

Awww! Dumb, BITCHSLAPPED Weenie Beanie has to adopt the name of his MASTER
"gogu" again who beats the shit out him EVERY DAY.

It's his only way to cope with his fears and humiliation inflicted on him
by gogu. LOL!

What a ridiculous, retarded tURk! LMAO!

--
Living the life of a ridiculed, bitchslapped loony on usenet helps Beanie
Tinfoil forget the failures in his life.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 1 2006 12:36 am
From: Panta Rhei

gogu writes:

Awww! Dumb, BITCHSLAPPED Weenie Beanie has to adopt the name of his MASTER
"gogu" again who beats the shit out him EVERY DAY.

It's his only way to cope with his fears and humiliation inflicted on him
by gogu. LOL!

What a ridiculous, retarded tURk! LMAO!

--
Living the life of a ridiculed, bitchslapped loony on usenet helps Beanie
Tinfoil forget the failures in his life.

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TOPIC: Study: You're Wasting Your Time Praying!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e9f4d8dfa08ede4e
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:18 pm
From: ╙«rrock»╖

/join
/save rant-filter-state

What part of this cross-posted crap has anything to do with angels?
For you Newsn00bs out there that haven't ever read a FAQ in your life,
get a clue, would ya? Notice how this is also cross-posted, but you
won't be replying that way... it matters, ya know? You're like acting
so fat that your ass is hanging into six rooms from the hallway and
haven't got your ears anywhere near any of the conversations inside
them.

/restore rant-filter-state
/info-scope up

Read this (yeah all of it):
http://www.faqs.org/usenet/index.html

its more important than any portion of your opinion.

/info-scope down
/pardon included text well beyond the idiocy of the first one that started it

Phxbrd wrote:
> "Shirley" <bigd1999@bellsoutj.net> wrote in message
> news:lchXf.3175$L6.1313@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>
>><snip because I like this part here>
>>
>>>Sorry to disappoint these slugs, but lacking a god and an afterlife,
>>>prayer is about as dumb as chicken poop!
>>
>>I would rather get up every morning and thank God for one more day to be
>>with family and to offer up prayers for those who ask, than to thank or
>
> pray
>
>>to chicken poop (which I gather you do)....
>
>
> Chicken poop is amazingly good fertilizer fer yer garden. It's way high in
> nitrogen. Careful though, it can 'burn' if concentrated in one spot....
>
/pardon off
/sig start

--
ἀπὸ μηχανῆς θεός ápo mēchanēs theós

Speaking of Angels -
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007G1434/102-3602972-5466516

/sig end
/part

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 2:57 pm
From: "Gene Seibel"

Just how do you determine that someone does not have someone praying
for them?
--
Gene Seibel
Gene & Sue's Flying Machine - http://pad39a.com/gene/
Because we fly, we envy no one.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 11:01 pm
From: ╙«rrock»╖

in the exact opposite fashion you determine that someone is spamming
a cross-post.

Gene Seibel wrote:

> Just how do you determine that someone does not have someone praying
> for them?
> --
> Gene Seibel
> Gene & Sue's Flying Machine - http://pad39a.com/gene/
> Because we fly, we envy no one.
>

--
ἀπὸ μηχανῆς θεός ápo mēchanēs theós

Speaking of Angels -
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0007G1434/102-3602972-5466516

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TOPIC: britain spends social program money in fighting unnecessary wars
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6fac817935cfd690
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 4:23 pm
From: "harmony"

it's amazing that despite heavy loot from india the money has not reached
the british masses. it's because britain must fight war in eyerack. you just
can't take war out of brutain.

The facts about poverty in the UK

> How many people in the UK live in poverty?
> How were these figures calculated?
> What kind of poverty are people living in?
> How long do people live in poverty for?
> What kinds of people are more at risk?
> How many people in the UK are poor today compared to in the past?
> How does poverty in the UK compare to poverty in other parts of the world?
> How do the UK public see poverty?
> What is the government doing about it?

How many people in the UK live in poverty?
Just under 1 in 4 people in the UK - or nearly 13 million people - live in
poverty, according to the latest figures. This includes nearly 1 in 3
children (almost 4 million).1

How were these figures calculated?
Poverty is measured here as below 60 per cent of contemporary median net
disposable income in 2000/01. This is the 'poverty line' which has been
accepted recently across the European Union to measure the extent of poverty
in member states; it is not the same as a comprehensive definition of
poverty, which includes many other dimensions. These figures look at incomes
in Great Britain, after housing costs have been paid, and include the
self-employed.

These figures don't mean very much by themselves -- they only refer to low
incomes relative to the rest of the population in the UK. They don't tell us
much about the many different aspects of poverty and the way people
experience it.

And they are a snapshot: they don't tell us how long people live in poverty.

What kinds of poverty are people living in?
One recent survey showed that about 6.5 million adults go without essential
clothing, such as a warm waterproof coat, because of lack of money.

Over 10.5 million people live in financial insecurity: they can't afford to
save, insure their house contents, or spend even small amounts on
themselves. About 9.5 million can't afford adequate housing - heated, free
from damp, and in a decent state of decoration. The crucial factor about
these findings is that they are based on a survey of what the general
population sees as necessities.2

We also know what a dark shadow poverty casts, particularly over children's
lives and their futures. Eighteen per cent of children go without two or
more items that the majority of the population says are necessities, such as
adequate clothing, toys, or three meals a day.3

One in five non-working families on low or moderate incomes reported being
unable to afford some basic food items on most days in 2000.4

Children from poor homes are more likely to die as a baby or a child, and
have lower life expectancy overall. They also have a greater likelihood of
bad health, a greater risk of unemployment, and a lower chance of high
educational achievement.5

How long do people live in poverty for?
Poverty is likely to last longer for young children in particular.6 Overall,
a recent survey found that about half of all individuals in the bottom fifth
of income spent 6 or more years there out of ten.

Whilst people do move out of poverty, many do not move very far, and many
more experience poverty sometimes.7

Long-term poverty can eat away at people's savings and assets, leaving them
more vulnerable: between 1979 and 1996, the number of households without any
assets doubled to 1 in 10.8 It costs more to borrow money if you don't have
much to begin with.

What kinds of people are more at risk?
Groups in the UK at greater risk of poverty include women, as well as
children: nearly 1 in 4 women lived in poverty in 1999/2000, compared with 1
in 5 men - even before taking account of the 'hidden poverty' that may exist
in households where income and other resources are not shared fairly.9

Minority ethnic groups in the UK are often more vulnerable to poverty, in
particular Pakistanis/ Bangladeshis, more than two-thirds of whom were
living in poverty in 2000/01. Some groups, such as asylum-seekers, also have
to live on lower benefit levels.

Just under two-thirds of individuals in households containing adults of
working age who had no paid work were living in poverty in 2000/01. And
those in some regions were much more likely to be poor than those in other
areas.10

How many people in the UK are poor today compared to in the past?
Bigger percentages have been poor, and poverty has been more severe, in the
past; but because of the larger population, more people live in poverty
today measured by the standards of today.11

How does poverty in the UK compare to poverty in other parts of the world?
Oxfam does not argue that the extent or depth of poverty in the UK is
similar to that in developing countries.

But not all those living in the wealthier countries of the world fulfil the
stereotype of the rich, privileged consumer. Some have been left behind,
living in a parallel financial universe, often budgeting on a weekly cash
basis, with no bank account, few local shops, and constantly juggling bills
and debts.

Through their resilience, by making a supreme effort, and by learning from
experience, people may get by.12 But every coping strategy has its costs. It
is women who often take on the burden of managing the family budget, putting
others' needs before their own and undermining their physical and mental
health by doing so.

Oxfam also believes that the underlying causes of poverty, and the ways
poverty affects people's lives, in the north and south of the world are very
similar. Inequalities of power and wealth, and a lack of political will to
put the fight against poverty top of the agenda, underpin the reality of
continuing poverty in countries all over the world. And the way people
living in poverty are treated by others, and often have no voice in
decisions affecting their lives, is similar in the UK and elsewhere.

'Poverty strips you of your dignity.'
'Poverty affects your self-esteem, your confidence . You feel totally
powerless.'13

The United Nations Development Programme sees poverty as a lack of
capabilities to live a long, healthy and creative life, to be knowledgeable,
and to enjoy a decent standard of living, dignity, self-respect, and the
respect of others. It sees a 'life of respect and value' as a key aim of
human development.14

How do the UK public see poverty?
People living in poverty the world over often feel their voice is not heard
and their dignity is not respected. The public in the UK has tended to be
more judgmental about those living in poverty than people in many other
countries - being more likely to say, for example, that poverty is due to
'laziness and lack of will-power', rather than to 'injustice in our society'
.15

They also often think that many people on benefit have enough money to live
on; but when they are told the actual amounts (£53.95 per week for
everything except housing costs and council tax for a single unemployed
person, for example),16 they are more likely to acknowledge the existence of
real poverty amongst this group.17

Also, the experience of unemployment and poverty amongst friends and family
tends to make people more likely to see poverty as primarily due to
structural reasons, rather than the fault of individuals themselves.

What is the government doing about it?
The prime minister has set out his commitment to ending child poverty in a
generation.18 The numbers of those living in poverty have started to decline
over recent years. But there is still some way to go to make a significant
impact on the dramatic increase in poverty and inequality in the UK since
the late 1970s.

As the Labour government has started to recognise, one of the crucial
ingredients in tackling poverty is public support. Recognition and
understanding amongst the general public of the seriousness of the problem,
and a determination to do something about it, will be essential to a
sustainable long-term strategy to eradicate poverty in the UK, as it is in
all those countries in which Oxfam works.

Oxfam GB, April 2003

1 Department for Work and Pensions, Households Below Average Income 1994/95
to 2000/01, Corporate Document Services, 2002.
2 D. Gordon et al., Poverty and Social Exclusion in Britain, Joseph Rowntree
Foundation, 2000; the figures refer to a survey carried out in 1999, based
on asking the general population what they saw as necessities for people
living in Britain today, and whether they could afford them.
3 See note 2
4 Families and Children Survey, carried out for the Department for Work and
Pensions.
5 S. Holtermann, All our Futures, Barnardo's, 1995.
6 M. Howard et al., Poverty: the Facts, Child Poverty Action Group, 2001.
7 Department for Work and Pensions, Low Income Dynamics, 2002, based on the
British Household Panel Survey, 1991-2000.
8 Research from Institute for Public Policy Research, reported in The
Guardian, 7 September 2002.
9 Department of Social Security, Households Below Average Income
1994/95-1999/2000, Corporate Document Services, 2001.
10 See note 1
11 See note 2
12E. Kempson, Life on a Low Income, Joseph Rowntree Foundation, 1996.
13 Quotations taken from P. Beresford et al., Poverty First Hand: Poor
people speak for themselves, Child Poverty Action Group, 1999.
14 See recent editions of the Human Development Report, published by the UN
Development Programme.
15 P. Golding, 'Poor attitudes', in S. Becker (ed.), Windows of Opportunity:
Public policy and the poor, CPAG Ltd., 1991.
16April 2002-March 2003 rate of income-based jobseeker's allowance for a
single person aged 25 or over; 18-24 year olds get £42.70 (Welfare Benefits
Handbook, 2002/2003, Child Poverty Action Group, 2002).
17See recent reports of annual British Social Attitude Surveys.
18 Rt Hon Tony Blair MP, Beveridge lecture, 18 March 1999.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 4:29 pm
From: "harmony"

it's amazing that despite heavy loot from india the money has not reached
the british masses. it's because britain must fight war in eyerack. you just
can't take war out of brutain.

The facts about poverty in the UK

And they are a snapshot: they don't tell us how long people live in poverty.

What kinds of poverty are people living in?
One recent survey showed that about 6.5 million adults go without essential
clothing, such as a warm waterproof coat, because of lack of money.

One in five non-working families on low or moderate incomes reported being
unable to afford some basic food items on most days in 2000.4

Whilst people do move out of poverty, many do not move very far, and many
more experience poverty sometimes.7

How does poverty in the UK compare to poverty in other parts of the world?
Oxfam does not argue that the extent or depth of poverty in the UK is
similar to that in developing countries.

'Poverty strips you of your dignity.'
'Poverty affects your self-esteem, your confidence . You feel totally
powerless.'13

Oxfam GB, April 2003

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TOPIC: HOW TO REPORT ABUSE ON THE NET
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a6101ecc3228e05e
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 1 2006 12:18 am
From: Panta Rhei

gogu writes:

Awww! Dumb, BITCHSLAPPED Weenie Beanie has to adopt the name of his MASTER
"gogu" again who beats the shit out him EVERY DAY.

It's his only way to cope with his fears and humiliation inflicted on him
by gogu. LOL!

What a ridiculous, retarded tURk! LMAO!

Oh, BTW, helplessly bleating dumb Turk:

LONG LIVE THE KURDISH FREEDOM FIGHTERS!

--
Living the life of a ridiculed, bitchslapped loony on usenet helps Beanie
Tinfoil forget the failures in his life.

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TOPIC: REAL conservatives need to speak up!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9c8a065dd2a7418e
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 2:24 pm
From: tomaxo@aol.com

GW Chimpzilla's Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia wrote:
> Kevin wrote:
>
> > Bush and Cheney, with Karl Rove, and their glum band of "neocons"
> > hijacked the popular conservative support base to implement their
> > aggressive, blatantly non-conservative agenda, which they couldn't have
> > otherwise. Conservatives need to begin to make it clear again what
> > their REAL core philosophies are and seperate themselves from the
> > neocon's sinking ship.
> >
> > Please read the excellent commentary below by a true conservative.
>
> Robert Taft was the last true conservative Republican. Gotta go all they way
> back to the 1952 Republican convention to find the shift from 'mind your own
> business' conservatives vanish into globalist, warmonger, police-state,
> god-is-great, 'we mind your business' republicanism.

Robert Taft's brand of conservatism was abandoned when Republicans
began to follow the allure of hype-above-substance, after witnessing
the success of Joe McCarthy in going from Senate nobody to nationally
recognized metaphore for anti-communism almost overnight.

While Goldwater was a true conservative, he gave in to the urge to
appeal to the newly pissed-off southern white population by standing in
opposition to the CRA of 1964 (after having been for earlier Civil
Rights Legislation), which caused a geographical realignment that still
holds true today.

Nixon was the most noteable member of this philosophical transference,
chosing to appeal to prejudices of the "Silent Majority" (his own
kinder, gentler form of McCarthyism), while, in actuality, abandoning
conservatism in favor of the most internationalistic foreign policy in
history (at the time), the creation of the EPA and an abandonment of
the gold standard.

Reagan seemed to have had honestly conservative intentions when he took
office, proposing massive cuts in both spending and in taxes. By the
end of his Presidency, however, the often controlled and over-managed
president had completely abandoned the spending controlls part in favor
of the snake oil hype of Laffer-myth-o-nomics (not to be confused with
the scientific Laffer curve, which sets the tax saturation point around
80%, but rather the wholy unscientific one that pretends any tax
decrease will cause an increase in revenue)

It is this second page of Reagan's history where Bush Jr comes in. He
can accurately be described as being from the same school of thought as
Reagan, but only the Reagan of the post 1984 era, when Reagan abandoned
all of his conservative principles in favor of hype. The further
errosion of conservatism that Bush Jr contributed, however, has been in
the area of patriotism. I believe even in the Reagan era of cynical
MIC servitude, the patriotism of most in the administration was true.
Today's band of war dodging hypocrites are in service only to special
interests that bought them into office in the first place. As with
their pretense of religiosity, patriotic rhetoric to them is purely a
means of manipulating pubic sentiment. It has been with this
administration that the transition away from all aspects of
conservatism has been completed.

> > _____________________________________
> >
> > Paul Craig Roberts: 'Bush is no conservative'
> >
> > President Bush passes himself off as a conservative Republican and a
> > born-again Christian. These are disguises behind which Bush hides.
> > Would a
> > Christian invade another country on false pretenses, kill tens of
> > thousands
> > of innocent civilians, and show no remorse or inclination to cease the
> > aggression?
> >
> >
> > Longtime Republican policy wonk Bruce Bartlett recently published a
> > book,
> > Impostor, in which he proves that President Bush is no economic
> > conservative, having broken all records in spending taxpayers' money
> > and
> > running up public debt.
> >
> >
> > Were Bush merely another big spender, his presidency wouldn't differ
> > from
> > other pork-barrel administrations, but Bush's radicalism goes far
> > beyond
> > spending. Bush has taken an irreverent approach to the U.S.
> > Constitution.
> >
> >
> > Bush bears no resemblance to a political conservative. A political
> > conservative does not confuse government with country. Patriotism means
> >
> >
> >
> > loyalty to country. Bush, however, demands allegiance to his
> > government:
> > "You are with us or against us!" Critics of the Bush administration are
> >
> >
> >
> > branded "unpatriotic" and even "treasonous."
> >
> >
> > Loyalty to country means allegiance to the Constitution, the Bill of
> > Rights,
> > and the separation of powers. It does not mean blind support for a
> > president, an administration, or a political party.
> >
> >
> > The separation of powers and civil liberties that were bequeathed to us
> >
> > by
> > the Founding Fathers are the protectors of our liberty. Bush, who swore
> >
> > on
> > the Bible that he would defend and uphold the Constitution, has made it
> >
> >
> >
> > clear that he will not let the Constitution get in the way of expanding
> >
> > the
> > powers of his office.
> >
> >
> > Bush has overridden a number of protections in the Bill of Rights. The
> > right
> > to assemble and to demonstrate has been infringed. The Secret Service
> > now
> > routinely removes protesters from the scene of Bush political events.
> > Many
> > unthinking Americans go along with this authoritarianism because they
> > don't
> > agree with the protesters, but once the right is lost, everyone loses
> > it.
> >
> >
> > Bush has ignored habeas corpus, and he claims the unconstitutional
> > power to
> > arrest and detain people indefinitely without a warrant and without
> > presenting charges to a judge. This is the most dangerous abuse of all,
> >
> >
> >
> > because whoever is in office can use this power against political
> > opponents.
> > Many unthinking Americans are not concerned, because they think this
> > power
> > will be used only against terrorists. However, as the Bush
> > administration
> > has admitted, many of its detainees are not terrorists. Most are
> > innocent
> > people kidnapped by tribal leaders and sold to the U.S. for the
> > bounties
> > paid for "terrorists."
> >
> >
> > Bush has refused to obey statutory law, specifically the Foreign
> > Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). Bush claims that as commander in
> > chief
> > he has the right to ignore the law and to spy on Americans without a
> > warrant. Many unthinking Americans are unconcerned, saying that as they
> >
> > are
> > doing nothing wrong they have nothing to fear. This attitude misses the
> >
> >
> >
> > point in a large way. If a president can establish himself above one
> > law, he
> > can establish himself above all laws. There is no line drawn through
> > the law
> > that divides the laws between the ones the president must obey and the
> > ones
> > he need not obey.
> >
> >
> > FISA does not interfere with government spying for national security
> > purposes. Secrecy is protected, because the court of federal judges
> > that
> > issues the warrants is secret. Moreover, the law allows the government
> > to
> > spy first and then come to the court for a warrant. The purpose of the
> > warrant is to be sure that the government is spying for legitimate
> > purposes
> > and not abusing the power to spy on political opponents for nefarious
> > purposes.
> >
> >
> > When presidents sign a bill passed by Congress that they think might be
> >
> >
> >
> > interpreted in ways that could impinge on the powers of their office,
> > they
> > add a "signing statement" to protect traditional presidential powers.
> > Under
> > Bush, this practice has exploded. Bush has used signing statements
> > considerably in excess of all previous presidents combined. Moreover,
> > Bush
> > uses the statements not to protect presidential powers, but to nullify
> > acts
> > of Congress, such as Republican Sen. John McCain's law against torture.
> >
> > Bush
> > is using signing statements to turn the presidency into a dictatorship
> > in
> > which the executive is not accountable to laws passed by Congress. The
> > next
> > step is simply to announce that the executive is not accountable to
> > elections either.
> >
> >
> > Bush's government is the first in our history in which there are no
> > dissenting voices and no debate. Uniformity of opinion is more
> > characteristic of a dictatorial government than a conservative one.
> > Bush's
> > government is all of one mind, because all important positions are held
> >
> > by
> > neoconservatives.
> >
> >
> > Neoconservative is a deceptive term. It means "new conservatives," but
> > there
> > is nothing conservative about neocons. Neoconservatives believe in
> > imposing
> > their agenda on other countries - the antithesis of American
> > conservatism.
> >
> >
> > In short, real conservatives believe in conserving the Constitution,
> > government accountability, and civil liberties, and avoiding foreign
> > entanglements. Judging by its behavior and its statements, the Bush
> > administration stands completely outside the conservative tradition.
> >
> >
> > Dr. Roberts is John M. Olin Fellow at the Institute for Political
> > Economy
> > and Research Fellow at the Independent Institute. He is a former
> > associate
> > editor of the Wall Street Journal and a former assistant secretary of
> > the
> > U.S. Treasury. He is the co-author of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.
>
> --
> There are only two kinds of Republicans: Millionaires and fools.

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TOPIC: Mushroom Cloud over Las Vegas: US Plans Test
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/616491651d306f4c
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:26 pm
From: Four-Way Windowpane

NY.Transfer.News@blythe.org wrote...
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Mushroom Cloud over Las Vegas: US Plans Test
>
> Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit
>
> AFP via Breitbart.com - Mar 30, 2006
> http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/30/060330162648.wxde5ocl.html
>
> US to test 700-tonne explosive
>
> The US military plans to detonate a 700 tonne explosive charge in a test
> called "Divine Strake" that will send a mushroom cloud over Las Vegas, a
> senior defense official said.
>
> "I don't want to sound glib here but it is the first time in Nevada that
> you'll see a mushroom cloud over Las Vegas since we stopped testing nuclear
> weapons," said James Tegnelia, head of the Defense Threat Reduction Agency.
>
> Tegnelia said the test was part of a US effort to develop weapons capable
> of destroying deeply buried bunkers housing nuclear, chemical or biological
> weapons.
>
> "We have several very large penetrators we're developing," he told defense
> reporters.

Yes, they are developing NUCLEAR penetrators. I was wondering how this
conventional test could be useful, as 700-ton bombs are rather impractical
to drop on targets, and assumed the test was to determine how much
explosive force is needed to crack an underground bunker, and the data
used to create a tactical micronuke of the same power.

Now I realize something else, that this conventional bomb could be used
to cover up an underground nuclear test. They have built a bunker and
plan to detonate a micronuke in proximity in an attempt to destroy it.
But since nuclear testing is banned by international treaty - and
because the micronuke program is so controversial - they will conduct
the nuclear test in secret and use the simultaneous detonation of the
700-ton conventional bomb to disguise the seismic waves generated by the
nuclear bomb.

The other part of the project is the penetrator technology, whatever
technology is necessary to penetrate a nuclear warhead deep into the
earth. All you need to know is how deep a 10-ton micronuke needs to
go to crack the bunker, and that's what this test is for.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 5:31 pm
From: "Jack O'Neill"

"Four-Way Windowpane" <sheet@blotter.org> wrote in message
news:v0iXf.62318$Jd.42053@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net...
> NY.Transfer.News@blythe.org wrote...
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Mushroom Cloud over Las Vegas: US Plans Test
>>
>> Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit
>> AFP via Breitbart.com - Mar 30, 2006
>> http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/30/060330162648.wxde5ocl.html
>>
>> US to test 700-tonne explosive
>>
>> The US military plans to detonate a 700 tonne explosive charge in a test
>> called "Divine Strake" that will send a mushroom cloud over Las Vegas, a
>> senior defense official said.
>>
>> "I don't want to sound glib here but it is the first time in Nevada that
>> you'll see a mushroom cloud over Las Vegas since we stopped testing
>> nuclear
>> weapons," said James Tegnelia, head of the Defense Threat Reduction
>> Agency.
>>
>> Tegnelia said the test was part of a US effort to develop weapons
>> capable
>> of destroying deeply buried bunkers housing nuclear, chemical or
>> biological
>> weapons.
>>
>> "We have several very large penetrators we're developing," he told
>> defense
>> reporters.
>
> Yes, they are developing NUCLEAR penetrators. I was wondering how this
> conventional test could be useful, as 700-ton bombs are rather impractical
> to drop on targets, and assumed the test was to determine how much
> explosive force is needed to crack an underground bunker, and the data
> used to create a tactical micronuke of the same power.
>
> Now I realize something else, that this conventional bomb could be used
> to cover up an underground nuclear test. They have built a bunker and
> plan to detonate a micronuke in proximity in an attempt to destroy it.
> But since nuclear testing is banned by international treaty - and
> because the micronuke program is so controversial - they will conduct
> the nuclear test in secret and use the simultaneous detonation of the
> 700-ton conventional bomb to disguise the seismic waves generated by the
> nuclear bomb.
>
> The other part of the project is the penetrator technology, whatever
> technology is necessary to penetrate a nuclear warhead deep into the
> earth. All you need to know is how deep a 10-ton micronuke needs to
> go to crack the bunker, and that's what this test is for.

This ought to be fun.Where did you get this , erm, "idea"?You do not speak
the tech
yet you know what this test is for.
--
My other car is an F302

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:55 pm
From: Four-Way Windowpane

Jack O'Neill wrote...
>>The other part of the project is the penetrator technology, whatever
>>technology is necessary to penetrate a nuclear warhead deep into the
>>earth. All you need to know is how deep a 10-ton micronuke needs to
>>go to crack the bunker, and that's what this test is for.
>
>
> This ought to be fun.Where did you get this , erm, "idea"?You do not speak
> the tech
> yet you know what this test is for.

I just asked on alt.war.nuclear, surely someone there would know.
And remember that huge explosion in North Korea a year or two ago?
Everyone began speculating they had conducted a nuclear test,
while DPRK said it was a construction project.

What do think the test is for? I'm sure a 700-ton conventional
could probably crack an underground bunker, but unless the U.S.
is planning on dropping 700-ton bombs on targets it seems that
this test has no purpose. I also don't see how a huge giant
conventional bomb could generate data relevant to the explosion
of a very small tactical nuke. Making up numbers, 1 megajoule
of energy released by a 100 cubic meter conventional bomb would
propagate differently than 1 megajoule released by a 1 cubic
meter nuclear bomb. The released energy would be spread out
over a much larger area, so the shock wave hitting the target
would be much smaller.

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TOPIC: What is Gender Feminism?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/89b5c69b70aedf93
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 2:27 pm
From: "chris_tine49@hotmail.com"

Xah Lee wrote:
> What Is Gender Feminism?
>
> Xah Lee, 200404
>
> Each girl (and man), even
> though might be influenced by Gender Feministic propaganda, each on the
> whole is still mostly concerned about oneself and acts out in accords
> to her or his own interests. And under our fantastic and wonderful
> American capitalistic consumerism, girls and men are automatically
> materialistic and selfish, which oftentimes are at odds with the
> manifesto of gender feministism.

You would prefer that women be interested and act in accord with the
interests of others because materialism is bad.

And gender feminism is opposed to materialism. . .

Doesn't that make you a gender feminist?

I'm so confused.

Christine (no, wait: maybe it's not about me. . .)

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Muslim cleric held over Varanasi blasts
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c7da75b260e7e841
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 4:33 pm
From: "are we on same page?"

is there an islamabad there in india?

"Mirza Ghalib" <mghalib01@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1143823044.305719.69500@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> MUSLIM CLERIC HELD OVER VARANASI BLASTS
>
> Press Trust of India
> Posted online: Thursday, March 30, 2006 at 1724 hours IST
>
>
> Varanasi, March 30: A Muslim cleric has been picked up by the Special
> Task Force from his residence in Allahabad for interrogation in
> connection with his alleged role in the terror attacks here, officials
> sources said today.
>
> The cleric, identified as Waliullah, from the Islamabad locality under
> Phulpur police circle area of Allahabad was taken into custody by the
> STF team on Sunday night for interrogation in connection with his
> alleged role in the March 7 twin blasts in Sankat Mochan temple and
> cantonment railway station here, based on reports of suspicious
> activities in the past, sources said.
>
> STF picked up Walliullah as soon as he returned home following
> questioning by the local intelligence unit and police officials at
> Phulpur police station, they said.
>
> He is being interrogated at an undisclosed location amid charges that
> he and his family provided refuge to the terrorists in their house in
> 2001 following which he and his two brothers were booked under various
> provisions of the Indian Penal Code on sedition charges, the trial of
> which was still pending with the lower court in Allahabad district.
>

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Straw asks European leaders to learn more about Islam
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/54fd6cb9c2d9e96b
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 5:20 pm
From: "MI Wakefield"

"TheSecularist" <abc123@geocities.com> wrote in message
news:e0k587$k5t$00$1@news.t-online.com...
>
> "K James" <KJames@JusticeForAll.com> (the Mohammedan group spammer hiding
> behind a
> Western name) wrote in message
> news:j8KdnXDAF4OJ_rDZnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@sysmatrix.net...
>
>> Charting the lost innovations of Islam

I learned everything I need to know about Islam on September 11, 2001.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 5:46 pm
From: Harry Mudd

MI Wakefield <bedlam@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>
> "TheSecularist" <abc123@geocities.com> wrote in message
> news:e0k587$k5t$00$1@news.t-online.com...
> >
> > "K James" <KJames@JusticeForAll.com> (the Mohammedan group spammer hiding
> > behind a
> > Western name) wrote in message
> > news:j8KdnXDAF4OJ_rDZnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@sysmatrix.net...
> >
> >> Charting the lost innovations of Islam
>
> I learned everything I need to know about Islam on September 11, 2001.
>
>
>
Yeah! Especially when Cassius Clay and Lou Alcindor were dancing in the
streets.

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TOPIC: How man Bush cabinet members does it take to change a light bulb?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f028a98281fc7552
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 5:57 pm
From: "Joe S."

"jimpgh2002" <pmojh1@xxnospamxxhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b25r22d3sf75g9tl99j10h5uuugg6mkivp@4ax.com...
> On 31 Mar 2006 07:31:36 -0800, "Kevin" <kevprice1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>How many members of the Bush administration does it take to
>>change a light bulb?
>>
> How "man" Kevins does it take to post correctly?

Hmmm. Hit you where it hurts so all you can do is attack a typo.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Global Warming Now Irreversible. Capitalist Way of Life Responsible
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2660b5dca799b991
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 2:58 pm
From: "Turin"

Stormy wrote:
> Turin wrote:
> > Stormy wrote:
> > > Turin wrote:
> > > > "Short Little George" <george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com> retreated:
> > > > > Turin wrote:
> > > > > > "Irrelevant George" <george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Turin wrote:
> > > > > > > > "Curious George" <george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Turin wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > "Cracker George" <george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > "Frank Arthur" <Art@Arthurian.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > news:zDDWf.151$Q8.16@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Turin" <TurinTurambar.1@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > > news:1143667915.694378.100380@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to a century of large-scale oil consumption in the greedy West,
> > > > > > > > > > > > we can all now look forward to winter tornados, marvelous new forms of
> > > > > > > > > > > > skin cancer, a missing Amazon, and maybe a few hibernating dinosaurs
> > > > > > > > > > > > waking up for lunch.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > While industrial Russia, China & India are also cosidered "the greedy
> > > > > > > > > > > > West"?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, take a look at the global methane map:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > http://www.universetoday.com/am/uploads/2005-0318methane-full.jpg
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > As they say: A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing (in the
> > > > > > > > > > hands of a redneck).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Oh, and while you are at it, take a look at the Chinese dust storm circling
> > > > > > > > > > > the globe:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/natural_hazards_v2.php3?img_id=1622
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > hahaha .....whatever that's supposed to mean
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/06/0601_chinadust.html
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > dude. you should get a job as the oracle of delphi ...hahaha
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > No thanks. I prefer my job as a geologist.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Lmao, that's a good one, too.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Just don't quit that job as a troll...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Excuse me. I mistook you for a human being. My mistake.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Haha, I sure love slapping down these timid little "patriots".
> > > > >
> > > > > When you finally graduate from kindergarten, let me know. I'll be sure to
> > > > > send a congratulatory card.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hahaha ....poor little nobody troll, named George.
> > > > I win another round.
> > > >
> > >
> > > George is obviously another leading expert in knowing nothing Turin
> > > LOL
> >
> >
> > Hahaha, Hey Stormy, babe. What's up..?
> >
>
> Hi Turin. I'm just preparing for summer now that spring is here. Just
> got myself a new bikini yesterday which doesn't show too much I think
> LOL

Hey, that sounds cool, Storm. The nerds & geeks - like Dork J. &
George-the-patriot-with-the-sore-ass - will be busy watching you on the
Internet through some other hero's gutless little phone cam. Hahaha

> > That's true. I've run across him and other little old punks like him,
> > before.
>
> LOL I get hit on by those little guys at every stoplight. The smallest
> ones are usually the boys with the neocon and America bumperstickers. I
> have to be careful because it doesn't take much to hurt their fragile
> egos.

Yeah, I've had some run-ins with some of those little cowards myself.
I remember the redneck who's face I gave his hamburger & coke. That's
a great one, too, to do to yuppies who forget that they're geeks.

Others usually get scared off by a mere middle finger.

> > They never know anything but how to troll, via snipping and
> > hurling their sickly peanuts. I think it must be what happens to the
> > brain after years of those after-work beers.
> >
>
> That's one opiate of the masses that Marx left out.

Karl probably left out quite a few others that he could have named. He
was more interested in naming religion because he knew how good the
liberals were at playing that one against the honesty of the
proletariat. Alcohol is just one more vice that the bourgeois sell to
the proletariat in order to keep them controlled. Religion, however,
is an idea, and - as such - is free.

The only reason that drugs aren't legalized is because of the value of
the concept of contra-band in instigating arbitrary searches and
siezures and in destroying the eighth amendment. Actually, in turning
it into a class privilege.

Sheltered little punks like Phil Lewis, Ken Pigbarn, Boy George &
Cretinism Manifesto, experiement with them however they like, with
virtually no repercussion. The mafia pigs that work for local
government have routinely looked the other way - except when federal
crackdowns have forced their hands. Even then, there's plenty of
discrimination.

However, thanks to the arising global government, that evil system is
coming to an end along with nationalism. Fairness and justice will
prevail, while nepotism gets shoved up it's own dishonest ass. That's
going to be a day to say "glory be"........

> > Bush almost has those little shit-balls in his clutches, too. Pretty
> > soon, capitalism is going to heave it's last. All of their toys are
> > going to be taken away. Workers' paradise is on the way, babe......
> >
>
> Amen Turin. The giant leech is getting ready to fall off of the worker!
> The scabs with the professional classes are going to find themselves
> working the sewers LOL

I hear that. I can't wait to see the first shock of realization on the
faces of these little weasel & weasel-ettes straight out of their
asshole 'burbs. They're gonna do their mock-professional little
upspeak routines to the guys & girls who they were afraid of in
highschool. Those dudes will borrow their clipboards for a moment to
fill out their time-slips for the rest of the day.

Scabs like old George will find their "patriot" routines out of style
pretty quick. They'll go running for their old "little guy" schticks
in a big hurry, but find the clubhouse taken over by the real little
guys. Everyone will really enjoy seeing "terrorist" have it's full
meaning applied for a change in the U.S., as comrades Castro & Stalin
did for Cuba & the U.S.S.R. hahaha

- - -

This has been another "Che!" moment, with:

Turin

I have such sites to show you...
------------------------

http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
http://groups.google.com/group/Men_First

------------------------

"He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth, or
maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
burn in hell forever and ever...."

-----

> Stormy
>
> >
> > > Stormy
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > 1 Pissed-off Little George
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yeah, there's nothing like picking one up by the scruff of the neck,
> > > > > > shaking him good and listening for each wet plop of shit fill his
> > > > > > underwear, while he shies from your intense city-boy eyes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Meanwhile his little A-K sits at home, unused ...hahaha
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - - -
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The face of an angel, the charm of the devil
> > > > > > ...the power of a god:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Turin
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have such sites to show you...
> > > > > > ------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
> > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/Men_First
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------------------------
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth, or
> > > > > > maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
> > > > > > burn in hell forever and ever...."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > George
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Geologic George
> > > > > > > > > College of Knowledge, U of Bullshit
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Curious George
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "It's absurd. How can I set free anyone who doesn't have the guts to
> > > > > > > > > > stand up alone and declare his own freedom?"
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ~ Jim Morrison
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > - - -
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Few can dispute him. Even fewer dare...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Turin
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I have such sites to show you...
> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
> > > > > > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/Men_First
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ------------------------
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth, or
> > > > > > > > > > maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
> > > > > > > > > > burn in hell forever and ever...."
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -----
> > > > > > >

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TOPIC: IRAN PLANS 'WAR GAMES' IN THE PERSIAN GULF........
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/42726506b667902e
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 6:05 pm
From: "John Lemke"

"Nedabiah" <Ned4u@newsserver.ca> wrote in message
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> "John Lemke" <jflemke@locallink.net> wrote in message
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>> "Nedabiah" <Ned4u@newsserver.ca> wrote in message
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>>>> God bless the Jews. Bring peace to Jerusalem.
>>>>
>>> God bless the Iranians. Give Jerusalem back to the Palestinians.
>>>
>>> God bless the Iranians. Kick American terrorists out of Irak. Stop them
>>> from mudering innocent people.
>>
>>
>> Hey, come stay at alt.prophecies.nostradamus. Come, join our little love
>> fests.
>>
>> Seriously.
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> Nay, that's for European French and American drug addicts. I was told
> Michel-de-Notre-Dame probably smoked grass.

It's ok, come on over, we don't mind being called the great Satan here.

There have actually been a few people whose attitudes toward the
Palestinians and Islam in general have been enlightened by input that didn't
come out of the Western propaganda machine. Some of us actually like to
learn from people outside our own cultures.

Also.........if Nosty HAD smoked grass he probably would have gotten a
couple things right.

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TOPIC: Conservatives for 9/11 Truth
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/388fc762ceccda22
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Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:13 am
From: Bill too

tatpaul@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Best summary of anomolies in 9/11 just posted on Aljazeera.com under
> Conspiracy Theories: Who was really flying those planes on Sept. 11?
> Most probable theory is that spooks staged the event in order to get
> public opinion behind the launch of US military against Afganistan and
> Iraq which Israel considered to be the biggest threats to its security.
> Spooks tracked obl's shenanigans, busted the communication codes, then
> took control of the "field" operatives, instructing them on details of
> the missions, with homing devices being planted in the planes and
> towers; or could have also been some terminally ill folks sacrificing
> themselves for their nation like Ruby did in the Kennedy assasination
> (to make sure Oswald's evidence wouldn't incrimminate the real
> culprits).
> John Lear of Learjet fame said it would be impossible to guide a plane
> manually at those speeds onto something as "small" as the towers. Yet
> every pilot can hit the middle of a runway. Any pilots (of large
> aircraft) have an opinion on this?

Modern commercial aircraft generally have the control stick so closely integrated by computers
that a monkey could be trained to fly one into building in a few hours. The reason landing is
difficult is that the craft has to reach the end of the runway at a precise speed and altitude,
and the spoilers and reverse thrust have to be applied in a delicately timed way. Flying a plane
into a build is easy because the speed doesn't matter, and it doesn't matter if your altitude is
off by a few floors.

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