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* Imagine - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/50ed3dbf7120b6ad
* US Should Not Recognize Kadima Unless Kadima Recognizes Palestines Right To
Exist, Respects International Law and Ends The Illegal Occupation - 1 messages,
1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c8ade91b0cf4278f
* Jobs That Americans Won't Do ?? Think Again - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5f87ba45eaeed9fb
* 500,000 immigration advocates march in Los Angelos - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a7922568c71505bc
* You Dumb Greeks Piss Off From This Newsgroup! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d58b7b7fb65520d1
* EINSTEIN-PHONY.LIAR,PLAGIARIST! - 4 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/252ea6d968f0cf6d
* 9,000 DESERTED, 400 TO CANADA - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2c46cd97bc43b797
* EINSTEIN THE PLAGIARIST - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6977e5534cc4c18
* Illegal Hispanic Immigration & rally in LA - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/965a78900803abba
* MURDER OF RACHEL CORRIE, AN AMERICAN HEROINE - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/230b20b958a3d3ba
* Israel Shuns Victory - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c80895d77a04d422
* "Death To Mooo-slums! - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/8cc6d96083afade9
* Article on GM/Delphi buyouts and Media Coverage - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/245fff959d974ada
* Moussaoui is a hero that exercised his 5th amendment right. He should not
even be on trial in that kangaroo court! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/be9036f2f5a59f35
* China to explore for our uranium - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a0fc32e4120ebab0
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TOPIC: Imagine
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/50ed3dbf7120b6ad
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 2:27 am
From: Panta Rhei
Gogu writes:
> Richard wrote:
>> Stop pleasing yourself with posts that ignore you. Furthermore, stop
>> confusing yourself with the identities of people whom you fear.
>
> Hmmmmm yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssss
>
> I fear you DICK
>
> Get away from my arse bwoy, I'M STRAIGHT AS A ROMAN ROAD
Whom are you trying to convince, dumb Tukish queen, aka Melina? Yourself?
No one else believes you anyway, perverted, servile cab driver! <BG>
--
Living the life of a ridiculed, bitchslapped loony on usenet helps Beanie
Tinfoil forget the failures in his life.
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TOPIC: US Should Not Recognize Kadima Unless Kadima Recognizes Palestines
Right To Exist, Respects International Law and Ends The Illegal Occupation
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c8ade91b0cf4278f
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 4:27 pm
From: "Theodore Herzl"
Norma wrote:
> "Ariadne" <ariadne.mac@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1143587377.443752.31780@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > Ariadne wrote:
> > > > A stupid title that merits deconstruction.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > USA cannot refuse to recognise a democratically
> > > > constituted and elected political party.
> > >
> > > Yes it can. Kadima was not elected by all who live under Israeli
> > > rule, only those who live in the ethnically cleansed ares are allowed
> > > to vote. That is apartheid not democracy airheadne dear.
> > >
> > > > Palestine does not exist and therefore it cannot
> > > > have its right to exist recognised.
> > >
> > > By your own statement above, since it does not exist, the Palestinians
> > > are then disenfranchised non-Jewish Israelis.
> > >
> >
> > Since Palestine does not exist there are no
> > Palestinians. We have told you this often.
>
> They do exist by pure political definition, but they have no country at this
> time. And if Kadima wins, and it looks like it might, the borders will be
> determined by Israel alone. Hamas had plenty of opportuniyt to rescind
> their stance on Israel and to negotiate, but they chose not to. Someone had
> to make the cut, so it will stay with Israel--just where it should be.
Baloney Norma, racist bigots like yourself have been refusing to
recognize the Palestinians right to exist for decades, so you are in no
position to dictate jack squat.
You and you ZioNazi buddies will soon find out that regardless of
Kadimas political rhetoric during the elections, the Israeli regime
will not be allowed to unilaterally declare its borders or keep the
illegal settlements built beyond the Green Line.
No reason to argue Norma, just you wait and see how quick Kadima
softens its own rhetoric.
> > > > Israel respects international law. Arabs do not.
> > >
> > > Israel is one of the biggest violators of International laws,
> >
> > You lie
>
> Israel does, but Hamas doesn't. Thermodore never gets it right, but he
> won't listen to any truths at all.
Israeli violates International laws on a daily basis and is currently
in violation of 160+ UN resolutions, the International Court of Justice
and the IV Geneva Convention, so for you to even say that only proves
that you are a liar, but what is new eh?
> > > why do
> > > you think the IDF leaders are all wanted war criminals
> >
> > You lie.
>
>
> > > and cannot leave
> > > the Israeli regime for fear of being arrested.
> > >
> >
> > They will be able to come to Britain soon when the
> > jihadi lawyers are sorted out. And they are being
> > sorted out.
> >
> > > > There is no illegal occupation.
> > >
> > > Don't try to convince me,
> >
> > How could I? You do not live on my planet and
> > you know nothing of truth.
> > > you have to tell the UN
> >
> > The Unclean Nazis
> >
> >
> > > and the rest of the
> > > international community
> >
> > You mean the pro-Arab terrorist propagandising part...
> >
> > No point in going on about that non-existent place...
>
> They have given over any hope of a country, just as they always do, in hopes
> that it will be granted by "someone". Unfortunately that group of people
> will never listen and never learn to be consistent with anyone else. No
> wonder their Muslim brothers desert them. The Arabs want them the least...
It is not a matter of it being granted Norma, as neither you or your
ZioNazi friends are in the power to grant squat. The UN Security
Council Resolution 242 needs only to be enforced and they get their
homeland back and you and your racist ZioNazis will be sent packing.
And for you to say that their Muslims brothers have deserted them is
another of your many lies, as other than refusing to aid the Israeli
regime in their goal of ethnic cleansing, they are behind them 100%.
> Norma
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TOPIC: Jobs That Americans Won't Do ?? Think Again
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5f87ba45eaeed9fb
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 4:32 pm
From: gringo
Dave Smith wrote:
> gringo wrote:
>
>> As for the "apprenticeship program": Of the 500 top fleets in the US, I
>> think it'd be a safe bet that 98% require that inexperienced drivers
>> (many do not hire a driver with less than 3 years experience!) be RECENT
>> graduates of an accredited driving school, and then that they join their
>> driver-trainee "apprenticeship" training program.
>
> Someone must be hiring the guys with less than 3 years of experience, or else they
> would quickly run out of drivers.
>
> So what specific skills are we talking?
>
> - Shifting gears
> - turning with a trailer
> - backing up
> - backing up with a trailer
> - pre trip inspections
> - fabricating log books to make them look legal
> - load security
>
Dave, Dave. I am surprised. Have you ever attempted to shift a
13-speed Eaton-Fuller while pulling an 80,000 load up a 6% grade?
That rear corner of the trailer is 60-70' from the driver's seat, and as
you surely know, images reflected in a mirror are distorted. And
despite a driver's best efforts, mirrors are often nearly opaque with
road crud. So, for an inexperienced, poorly trained driver, turning
them corners without taking out a pole or dinging a front fender that is
below your eyesight is harder than it looks.
Backing is an art as well as a skill. My first dock when I went out
without a trainer? it was a triple blindside back--around three sides of
a small frame house (surrounded by other small houses and a narrow
alley) that was used for storage. Brother, I put that trailer in there
without a single pull-up. The next dock, though, took the arrogance out
of me: it was a new warehouse, about 40 doors on each side, and I was
the very first truck to cross its parking lot. Lots of room, but there
were no dock markings and no trailers to "guide" on, so I spent 30
minutes trying to square up to one of those 40 docks. I was as
embarrassed as I was proud the day before. Some people get the hang of
backing rather quickly; others never develop the skill beyond the most
rudimentary level. But no matter how proficient a driver's backing
skills, there is the occasional day when nothing he does turns out
right. Although drivers sometimes viciously attack another driver when
he's having a hard time, truckers are never amused when a non-driver
tries to pile on. Our feeling is that until they've had to back a 70'
rig from a narrow two-lane street through a one-lane gate and to a dock
inside a darkened building, they ain't qualified to make light of a
trucker's professionalism.
Pre-trip inspections? what's that? Seriously, most of us give it a
quick walk-around, looking high and low, kicking tires then release the
brakes and go.
Hey, it takes a long time to learn to keep track of three logbooks!
Seriously, I think it's safe to say that most drivers run their logbook
as legal as they can and do the job we're paid to do. The truckstops
are crammed by 5pm and don't empty till 6 or 7--those drivers, at least,
are getting lots of sleep.
Load security is not my concern. I make sure the shipper signs a seal
manifest before I pull out, and on the other end, the receiver signs
"seal intact." If someone points a stiffened finger at me and says "get
out"...brother, I ain't getting paid to argue with a thief.
The real value of an experienced driver is out on the open road. All
the reading in the world won't teach you everything you need to know
about the reactions of a 53' trailer when the road is wet or icy and the
traffic is heavy and stupid. It's not enough to have read somewhere how
to react to an emergency-- things happen too quickly to search the
library of your mind. No, the knowledge has to be embedded in your DNA.
Your hands and feet must know how to react nanoseconds before your
mind consciously recognizes that a situation is developing.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 4:43 pm
From: gringo
Dave Smith wrote:
> gringo wrote:
>
>>> A skilled trade is one for which there is a recognized course of
>>> instruction and qualification, usually accompanied by an apprenticeship.
>>> While some companies have recently started requiring some sort of private
>>> schooling, it falls fall short of the definition of a skilled trade.
>>
>> Dave, I beg your pardon! Today one becomes a trucker by first attending
>> a trucking school which lasts from 4 weeks to as much as 12 weeks.
>> Quality of schools varies greatly, no doubt. But after graduation and
>> qualifying for a CDL, the trainee (now a rookie) goes into a fleet's
>> driver training program. Here again, there's lots of variance. Some
>> keep their rookies with a driver trainer for 3-6 months; some for only a
>> couple of weeks.
>
> I realize that truck driver training has become a money making proposition for
> driving schools since they brought in classified licences, that some companies
> prefer their new drivers to come from a training school rather than having
> learned to drive from a friend, and that they like to keep new drivers working
> in a team for an extended and poorly paid "training" period. Perhaps there are
> accredited driving schools where you are, but not here. I wouldn't give you two
> cents for some of the local truck driver training schools.
>
>
>> My point is that ain't no untrained nobody coming in off a sidewalk able
>> to even shift a big truck's gears-- and shifting is only one small part
>> of the skill-set of a truck driver. I've been driving now for about 20
>> years, and I am still learning. I'll compare the average driver's
>> skills to those of the average doctor or lawyer any day.
>
> LMFAO
>
>
You doubt what I am saying? Take an ER doctor outside and tell him to
back a truck around the block--he'll shit a brick. He'll be as lost as
a trucker will be who is handed a needle and told to sew up a seeping
wound. Hell, I am not claiming that learning to drive a truck is as
difficult as ten+ years of schooling to become a doctor. However, I am
saying, bygod, that fewer than 1 out of 10 have the combination of
natural skills along with the mindset necessary to both become a truck
driver and to stick with it long enough to become a seasoned veteran of
the highways. Keep in mind that when a doctor encounters a problem he's
never seen before, he can slink off to his computer or pick up a phone
and call a colleague. Truckers must react instantly.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 12:48 am
From: Bob Ward
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 14:27:27 -0500, Dave Smith
<adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>.p.jm@see_my_sig_for_address.com wrote:
>
>>
>> >A skilled trade is one for which there is a recognized course of
>> >instruction and qualification, usually accompanied by an apprenticeship.
>> >While some companies have recently started requiring some sort of private
>> >schooling, it falls fall short of the definition of a skilled trade.
>> >
>>
>> Depends on your definitions. It requires skills. Also
>> certain character traits that not everyone has.
>
>Of course it requires skills. All jobs require skills. It requires some
>training, just like many other jobs. You can feel free to make up whatever
>definitions suits your particular purpose but the thing about skilled trades
>is that you have to take courses at an accredited school, complete an
>apprenticeship program and pass tests. In order to work in that field you have
>to be qualified.
>
>You don't have to do those things to drive a truck. All you need is the right
>class of licence. Some trucking companies may require their applicants to have
>graduated from some sort of a training school. Most do not. Some people thing
>it is necessary to go to a driving school to get their licence. It isn't.
>
>There is no recognized school for truck driving. There is no apprentice ship
>program.
>
>I didn't get my licence through a school. I worked for the same government
>department that issues driver licences here and our equipment instructor took
>me for a test drive and signed for me to get a Class D licence when we went to
>the classified licence system. It was later upgraded to a Class A with a
>short written test and a road test. Had I not been working there, I could
>have just gone to the licence bureau at the time and got it grandfathered to a
>Class A.
>
>
>
That might be true in Canada. In the US, it appears that driving a
commercial vehicle requires testing of the required skills:
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/registration-licensing/cdl/cdl.htm
Endorsements and Restrictions:
Drivers who operate special types of CMVs also need to pass additional
tests to obtain any of the following endorsements on their CDL:
T - Double/Triple Trailers (Knowledge test only)
P - Passenger (Knowledge and Skills Tests)
N - Tank Vehicle (Knowledge Test only)
H - Hazardous Materials (Knowledge Test only)
X - Combination of Tank Vehicle and Hazardous Materials
If a driver either fails the air brake component of the general
knowledge test or performs the skills test in a vehicle not equipped
with air brakes, the driver is issued an air brake restriction,
restricting the driver from operating a CMV equipped with air brakes.
THE STATES
Knowledge & Skills Tests:
States develop their own tests which must be at least as stringent as
the Federal standards. Model driver and examiner manuals and tests
have been prepared and distributed to the States to use, if they wish.
The general knowledge test must contain at least 30 questions.
To pass the knowledge tests (general and endorsement), applicants must
correctly answer at least 80 percent of the questions.
To pass the skills test, applicants must successfully perform all the
required skills (listed in 49 CFR 383.113). The skills test must be
taken in a vehicle representative of the type of vehicle that the
applicant operates or expects to operate.
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TOPIC: 500,000 immigration advocates march in Los Angelos
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a7922568c71505bc
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 4:41 pm
From: Peter Franks
Bo Raxo wrote:
> "Peter Franks" <none@none.com> wrote in message
> news:DidWf.418$Fl.155@fed1read09...
>
>>Bo Raxo wrote:
>>
>>>"Peter Franks" <none@none.com> wrote in message
>>>
>>>>There is no such thing as "immigrant's rights."
>>>
>>>Half a million people in Los Angeles disagree.
>>
>>Doesn't matter if half a billion people disagree:
>>
>>"We hold these truths to be self-evident, all men are created equal,
>>that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."
>>
>>The Declaration of Independence, p2
>>
>
> http://www.archives.gov/national-archives-experience/charters/print_friendly.html?page=declaration_transcript_content.htm
>
>>I see /nothing/ that indicates that any class of people has rights that
>>another doesn't.
>>
>>Illegal/legal immigrants have the same rights as a natural born citizen,
>>the same rights as /anyone/. No more, no less.
>>
>
>
> Very well said.
>
>
>
>>However, there are /PRIVILEGES/ that come with being a productive and
>>cooperative member of a society. Illegal immigrants definitely do NOT
>>enjoys the same privileges that a legal immigrant or natural born
>>citizen does, nor should they.
>>
>
>
> I agree completely, except with the "productive and cooperative" part.
> Plenty of people aren't productive - they may be disabled, for example - but
> still are citizens.
Agreed. A probably better phrase would be something along the lines of
/capably productive/ or /willingly productive/.
>>>So, no rights: you would let someone die for want of simple medical
>>>attention, because they are an immigrant?
>>
>>Did I say that? Free health care is NOT a right.
>>
>
>
> Did I say free health care? No. But basic emergency services are a
> humanitarian neccessity: you don't let someone bleed to death because they
> don't have the right papers.
Nope, you didn't... I read more into that than I should have, my mistake.
Yes, no one should be refused emergent medical care. However, there are
definite costs involved that must be borne. For those that are
incapable of paying, I'd recommend that the care provider bill the
country (or state for nationals) of origin for the person being treated.
>>It MAY be a *privilege* of living in a society, but definitely not a
>>right. Who those privileges extend to are defined by the society.
>>
>>
>>>You would let a house burn down,
>>>full of children, because their parents came from another country?
>>
>>No.
>>
>>Access to the fire department isn't a right, it is a privilege (and
>>benefit) of a productive and cooperative society.
>>
>>
>>>Charming. Let me guess: you consider yourself a conservative and a
>>>Christian, right?
>>
>>Irrelevant.
>>
>>I'm looking at this as a /constutionalist/ and from a pragmatic
>
> perspective.
>
> I like the perspective you are arguing this from, it makes a lot of sense to
> me.
Glad to hear it. Thanks for your perspective as well, it has been
informative and enlightening.
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TOPIC: You Dumb Greeks Piss Off From This Newsgroup!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d58b7b7fb65520d1
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 2:42 am
From: Panta Rhei
uhu@topkale.net writes:
> Stop that garbage in this newsgroup!
See, how the cheeky tURk talks to Europeans! <BG>
Keep the Turkish scum out of the EU!
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TOPIC: EINSTEIN-PHONY.LIAR,PLAGIARIST!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/252ea6d968f0cf6d
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 7:49 pm
From: "Jim F."
"Tilly" <TillyGr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4lQVf.8943$JZ1.328105@news.xtra.co.nz...
> xgarievas@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>> HA HA HA HA !! WHATEVER YOU SAY STUPID CROAT THIS MAN CHANGE THE WORLD
>> AND HE IS JEW! YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
>
>
> Alex wouldn't even understand Einstein's theories!
Of course Alex understands Einstein's theories. Just recently,
Alex had a piece in Physcial Review Letters on general relativity
and quantum mechanics. I never thought the old Serb had it in him.
Alex is more than just a little old shopkeeper in Delray Beach
who spams anti-Semitic rants on Usenet.
>
> --
> TillyGr@hotmail.com
>
>
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 4:55 pm
From: "Sheldon Liberman"
Jim F. wrote:
> "Tilly" <TillyGr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4lQVf.8943$JZ1.328105@news.xtra.co.nz...
> > xgarievas@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> >> HA HA HA HA !! WHATEVER YOU SAY STUPID CROAT THIS MAN CHANGE THE WORLD
> >> AND HE IS JEW! YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
> >
> >
> > Alex wouldn't even understand Einstein's theories!
>
> Of course Alex understands Einstein's theories. Just recently,
> Alex had a piece in Physcial Review Letters on general relativity
> and quantum mechanics. I never thought the old Serb had it in him.
> Alex is more than just a little old shopkeeper in Delray Beach
> who spams anti-Semitic rants on Usenet.
Knowledge of quantum mechanics is required to analyse Alex's
intellegence, and those of his ilk.
>
> >
> > --
> > TillyGr@hotmail.com
> >
> >
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 7:59 pm
From: "Jim F."
"Sheldon Liberman" <sheldon@liberman.com> wrote in message
news:1143593746.095100.115620@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Jim F. wrote:
>> "Tilly" <TillyGr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4lQVf.8943$JZ1.328105@news.xtra.co.nz...
>> > xgarievas@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>> >> HA HA HA HA !! WHATEVER YOU SAY STUPID CROAT THIS MAN CHANGE THE WORLD
>> >> AND HE IS JEW! YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
>> >
>> >
>> > Alex wouldn't even understand Einstein's theories!
>>
>> Of course Alex understands Einstein's theories. Just recently,
>> Alex had a piece in Physcial Review Letters on general relativity
>> and quantum mechanics. I never thought the old Serb had it in him.
>> Alex is more than just a little old shopkeeper in Delray Beach
>> who spams anti-Semitic rants on Usenet.
>
> Knowledge of quantum mechanics is required to analyse Alex's
> intellegence, and those of his ilk.
They say Alex's brain is about the size of Planck's length.
>
>>
>> >
>> > --
>> > TillyGr@hotmail.com
>> >
>> >
>
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 5:04 pm
From: "Sheldon Liberman"
Jim F. wrote:
> "Sheldon Liberman" <sheldon@liberman.com> wrote in message
> news:1143593746.095100.115620@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Jim F. wrote:
> >> "Tilly" <TillyGr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:4lQVf.8943$JZ1.328105@news.xtra.co.nz...
> >> > xgarievas@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> >> >> HA HA HA HA !! WHATEVER YOU SAY STUPID CROAT THIS MAN CHANGE THE WORLD
> >> >> AND HE IS JEW! YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Alex wouldn't even understand Einstein's theories!
> >>
> >> Of course Alex understands Einstein's theories. Just recently,
> >> Alex had a piece in Physcial Review Letters on general relativity
> >> and quantum mechanics. I never thought the old Serb had it in him.
> >> Alex is more than just a little old shopkeeper in Delray Beach
> >> who spams anti-Semitic rants on Usenet.
> >
> > Knowledge of quantum mechanics is required to analyse Alex's
> > intellegence, and those of his ilk.
>
> They say Alex's brain is about the size of Planck's length.
I'd have to agree. The nice thing about that is that he could never be
accused of agrandissing his own mental prowess.
>
> >
> >>
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > TillyGr@hotmail.com
> >> >
> >> >
> >
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TOPIC: 9,000 DESERTED, 400 TO CANADA
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2c46cd97bc43b797
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 7:57 pm
From: "serwad"
Soldiers flee to Canada to avoid Iraq duty
Duncan Campbell
Tuesday March 28, 2006
The Guardian
Hundreds of deserters from the US armed forces have crossed into Canada and
are now seeking political refugee status there, arguing that violations of
the rules of war in Iraq by the US entitle them to asylum.
A decision on a test case involving two US servicemen is due shortly and is
being watched with interest by fellow servicemen on both sides of the
border. At least 20 others have already applied for asylum and there are an
estimated 400 in Canada out of more than 9,000 who have deserted since the
conflict started in 2003.
Ryan Johnson, 22, from near Fresno in California, was due to be deployed
with his unit to Iraq in January last year but crossed the Canadian border
in June and is seeking asylum. "I had spoken to many soldiers who had been
in Iraq and who told me about innocent civilians being killed and about
bombing civilian neighbourhoods," he told the Guardian.
"It's been really great since I've been here. Generally, people have been
really hospitable and understanding, although there have been a few who have
been for the war." He is now unable to return to the US. "I don't have a
problem with that. I'm in Canada and that's that."
Mr Johnson said it was unclear exactly how many US soldiers were in Canada
but he thought 400 was a "realistic figure". He had been on speaking tours
across the country as part of a war resisters' movement and had come across
other servicemen living underground.
Jeffry House, a Toronto lawyer who represents many of the men, said that an
increasing number were seeking asylum. "There are a fair number without
status and a fair number on student visas," he said, and under UN guidelines
on refugee status they were entitled to seek asylum.
The first test cases involve Jeremy Hinzman, 26, who deserted from the 82
Airborne Division and Brandon Hughey from the 1st Cavalry Division. A
decision on their applications is due within the next few weeks. If they are
turned down the case will be taken to the federal appeal court and the
Canadian supreme court, according to Mr House, a process that would last
into next year at least.
All deserters, past and present, are placed on an FBI wanted list. Earlier
this month, Allen Abney, 56, who deserted from the US marines 38 years ago
during the Vietnam war, was arrested as he crossed into the US, a journey he
had taken many times before without problem. He was held in a military jail
in California for a few days, then discharged.
"They have resuscitated long-dormant warrants," said Mr House. "I know 15
people personally who have crossed 10 or more times without problems and
then all of a sudden they are arresting people. It seems like it would be
connected to Iraq."
Lee Zaslofsky, 61, the coordinator of the War Resisters' Support Campaign in
Toronto, said that he was impressed by the young men who were seeking
asylum. "Some have been to Iraq and others have heard what goes on there,"
he said. "Mainly, what they discuss is being asked to do things they
consider repugnant. Most are quite patriotic ... Many say they feel tricked
by the military."
During the Vietnam war between 50,000 and 60,000 Americans crossed the
border to avoid serving.
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TOPIC: EINSTEIN THE PLAGIARIST
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6977e5534cc4c18
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 4:58 pm
From: "Sheldon Liberman"
Dr. Lipschitz wrote:
> We in the scientific community have always known that Einstein was a fraud.
What are you, a lab rat? (Note to PETA: sorry, didn't mean the
stereotyping of rats)
> His ability as a physicist is about at the level of a college student. The
> reason he wasn't debunked was purely political just as in the case of MLK.
> There was nothing to be gained at the time by exposing him so we allowed the
> jews to have their little hero just as we allowed the Negro to have the
> plagiarist MLK. If you compare their lives you will see that they both had a
> lot in common. They were both opportunists, communists and sex perverts who
> abused women. And they both won Nobel prizes under false pretences. Of
> course, the Nobel prize is just that, a prize, and the committee that awards
> these prizes determines who gets one by recommendations. In both the case of
> Einstein and MLK it was jewish groups who lobbied the committee to award the
> prize to these people for their own political purposes. If you know anything
> about jewish lobbying groups you're familiar with their methods- extortion,
> blackmail, political pressure, disinformation and even strong arm tactics a
> la the JDL.
Seek help, man.
>
>
>
> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:LcJVf.4412$KC3.4024@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> > Was Einstein a Plagiarist?
> >
> > It has often been claimed that Einstein was a plagiarist. While not all of
> > these accusations are reasonable, the two most important of them, that
> > Einstein plagiarized part of special relativity from Poincaré and that he
> > plagiarized the field equations of general relativity from Hilbert, are
> > supported by good evidence and represent serious cases of plagiarism
> > covering a considerable part of the results for which Einstein has become
> > famous. This article is not the place to comment upon the other
> > accusations of plagiarism against Einstein.
> >
> > The following results or methods of Einstein's two 1905 relativity papers
> > have been known in 1904 or earlier:
> >
> > a.. The clock setting procedure used in section 1 of [Ein05c] to
> > synchronize two clocks which are at rest relative to each other has been
> > described by Poincaré in [Poin00] and also in his 1904 St. Louis lectures.
> > b.. In section 2 of [Ein05c], Einstein arrives at the conclusion that
> > simultaneity is relative. But this was known to Poincaré [Poin02]:
> > There is no absolute time; to say two durations are equal is an assertion
> > which by itself has no meaning and which can acquire one only by
> > convention. *** Not only have we no direct intuition of the equality of
> > two durations, but we have not even a direct intuition of the simultaneity
> > of two events occurring in different places.
> > a.. Poincaré proposed a formula which is equivalent to E=mc2 for
> > electromagnetic radiation in [Poin00].
> > b.. Poincaré gave an outline of relativistic kinematics in his 1904 St.
> > Louis lectures.
> > c.. Lorentz had published his relativistic transformations in 1904.
> > Neither [Ein05c] nor [Ein05d] has a list of references. Einstein does not
> > mention Poincaré in these papers, and he mentions Lorentz only in
> > connection with the laws of electromagnetism, after formulating the
> > relativistic transformations without attributing them to anyone else. It
> > is known from Solovine's recollections that Einstein had read La science
> > et l'hypothèse, and [Bri96] quotes Solovine as saying that the thoughts
> > quoted above (about absolute time and simultaneity) "held us spell-bound
> > for weeks". This excludes excuses like cryptomnesia and makes Einstein's
> > use of these ideas without attributing them to Poincaré a clear-cut case
> > of plagiarism. It is not unreasonable to assume that Einstein knew at
> > least some of the other scientific works mentioned above, but no clear-cut
> > proof can be given. We refer to the article on Einstein and plagiarism for
> > more details.
> >
> > The author's opinion about the sequence of events leading to Einstein's
> > publication of the field equations of gravity has already been given
> > above. It has been proved beyond reasonable doubt that Hilbert sent the
> > field equations of gravity, in one form or another, to Einstein before
> > November 18, 1915. This is so because Einstein confirmed the arrival on
> > November 18, and it is obvious from his answer that Hilbert's postcard
> > contained the field equations in one form or another. Moreover, [Wue05, p.
> > 74] points out that Einstein quickly obtained notes from Hilbert's
> > November 16 lecture. In a 1997 paper, Corry, Renn, and Stachel have
> > asserted that Hilbert had, in November 1915, not yet carried out some
> > crucial calculations to arrive at an explicit version of the field
> > equations. This claim is rather unreasonable, because:
> >
> > a.. The calculation in question is not hard to carry out, even in a
> > variety of different ways. Hilbert probably needed the result for his
> > November 16 talk and also for his postcard to Einstein, which was
> > presumably sent on November 16. See the article on the Corry Renn Stachel
> > paper for more details.
> > b.. Einstein's November 26 letter to Heinrich Zangger, accusing Hilbert
> > of attempts to appropriate ('nostrifzieren') Einstein's theory, would be
> > difficult to motivate unless Einstein was aware that the field equations
> > Hilbert had sent him are equivalent to the equations Einstein had
> > published in his November 25 paper without mentioning Hilbert.
> > Again, this makes Einstein's behaviour a clear cut case of plagiarism.
> >
> > Of course, this does not imply that everything attributed to Einstein has
> > been plagiarized from someone else. Most importantly, the description of
> > gravity by a pseudo-Riemannian metric is probably due to Einstein,
> > although Grossmann's role is difficult to assess. But the above two cases
> > make it clear that Einstein had a tendency to use ideas of other
> > scientists without attributing them to their source, and that his word
> > about such issues cannot be trusted.
> >
> > While there are scholarly works which are more or less pointing out the
> > above facts, the authors of such works are generally reluctant to call
> > Einstein a plagiarist. One reason for this may be the fear that outspoken
> > criticism of the Einstein myth might be bad for one's career, as the
> > example of Nobel prize winner Johannes Stark shows. Daniela Wuensch
> > [Wue05, p. 76] concedes that Einstein arrived at the correct field
> > equations only with Hilbert's help ("nach großer Anstrengung mit Hilfe
> > Hilberts"), but nevertheless calls Einstein's reaction (his slandering of
> > Hilbert in the November 26 letter to Zangger) "understandable" ("Einsteins
> > Reaktion ist verständlich") because Einstein had worked on the problem for
> > a long time. If this pity for Einstein is genuine, one wonders how much
> > Wuensch knows about the Einstein-Poincaré relation.
> >
> > Another source which is available on the net claims that calling Einstein
> > a plagiarist "is certainly not fair: Just like any other genius in
> > history, Albert Einstein had to build on the work of his elders. Period."
> > But other geniuses in history usually quoted the work of these elders, as
> > one can see by looking at the introduction to the Maxwell paper containing
> > the field equations of electromagnetism. There may be a number of cases in
> > which these geniuses have been accused of plagiarism (eg, Leibniz and
> > Newton), but in Einstein's case we have a clear cut proof. Fairness
> > demands that the same principles should apply to everyone. A PhD student
> > submitting a thesis duplicating the work of elders without quoting any
> > source at all would probably be axed. Unless we want to stop this
> > practice, it is only fair to point out that Einstein probably was a
> > plagiarist.
> >
> >
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TOPIC: Illegal Hispanic Immigration & rally in LA
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/965a78900803abba
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 1:00 am
From: beernuts
flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> On 26-Mar-2006, beernuts <beerwithnuts@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Salah Jafar wrote:
>>> It was tested by by pissing on the Jews and your mother after she give
>>> me a Jooz special on my cock.
>>> SJ
>> Don't bother posting yours...
>
> Surely he just DID post his IQ (or lack thereof).....?
>
> Susan
Bingo.
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TOPIC: MURDER OF RACHEL CORRIE, AN AMERICAN HEROINE
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/230b20b958a3d3ba
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 8:01 pm
From: "serwad"
Half of the Jews murdered in Warsaw ghetto were killed by the jewish police
(Ordningspolizei SS). is it any wonder that jews would so calously murder a
young American student simply because she did not share their hallowed
belief that God gave Palestine to jews! (which is an outright lie)
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 8:03 pm
From: "serwad"
"Daniel Bernard" <fifthhorseman@the.apocalypse> wrote in message
news:35mi22h194etq20mod7d33j70p8shdkjt2@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:48:31 -0500, "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
>>news:4428BE72.E9E9ABAB@io.com...
>>> Hey StriderCabal, I think we Americans will determine who is
>>> and who isn't an American hero,
>>
>>YOU ARE NO AMERICAN, YOU ARSE LICKING JEW PIG!
>>
> Hell, the Americans recently voted GW Bush as the sixth greatest
> American of all time.
>
> Maybe they need more help than Moos realises.............
> --
> amicalement,
>
> Daniel
You got that right amigo, Americans are the stupidest people on planet Earth
led by the nose by ZioNazis!
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 8:07 pm
From: "Ed"
"princeandy" <andy@home.com> wrote in message
news:eB3Wf.18143$dy4.2058@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:o%2Wf.2759$qm2.1422@trnddc03...
>>
>> On 27-Mar-2006, "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote:
>>
>> > "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> > news:cq1Wf.259$I7.225@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>> > > The lonesome death of Rachel Corrie
>> >
>> > How is her death lonesome? It is constantly being brought up by silly
>> > antisemites and kooks, such as yourself.
>>
>> And it couldn't have been lonesome, as she was surrounded by at
>> lest half a dozen people who stood around & let her
>> a) SIT in front of a bulldozer
>> b) didn't pull her out of its lousy 2-5 MPH path
>>
>> Susan
>
> Callous uncaring bunch arent they , and they go around crying anti
> semitism?
> What a crock. If mAtters had been reversed they would have been sitting
> around the camps enjoying the spectacle. In fact the way they act I'm
> beginning they enjoyed the experience and maybe the only ones who survived
> are the zionists whosleeping with the nazis.
So when are you going to donate yourself to the cause by getting yourself
flattened by a bulldozer?
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TOPIC: Israel Shuns Victory
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c80895d77a04d422
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 5:08 pm
From: "serwad"
"DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
news:XAeWf.7326$a97.5486@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
> As Israelis go to the polls, not one of the leading parties offers the
> option of winning the war against the Palestinians. It's a striking and
> dangerous lacuna.
>
> First, some background. Wars are won, the historical record shows, when
> one
> side feels compelled to give up on its goals. This is only logical, for so
> long as both sides hope to achieve their war ambitions, fighting either
> continues or potentially can resume. For example, although defeated in
> World
> War I, Germans did not give up their goal of dominating Europe and soon
> again turned to Hitler to try again. The Korean War ended over a half
> century ago but neither north or south having given up its aspirations
> means
> fighting could flare up at any time. Similarly, through the many rounds of
> the Arab-Israeli conflict - wars in 1948-49, 1956, 1967, 1973, and 1982 -
> both sides retained their goals.
>
> Those goals are simple, static, and binary. The Arabs fight to eliminate
> Israel, Israel fights to win the acceptance of its neighbors.
In other words if your neighbor hates your guts, you should get a shotgun
and force him to love you. Makes sense!
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 5:15 pm
From: "Sheldon Liberman"
serwad wrote:
> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
> news:XAeWf.7326$a97.5486@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
> > As Israelis go to the polls, not one of the leading parties offers the
> > option of winning the war against the Palestinians. It's a striking and
> > dangerous lacuna.
> >
> > First, some background. Wars are won, the historical record shows, when
> > one
> > side feels compelled to give up on its goals. This is only logical, for so
> > long as both sides hope to achieve their war ambitions, fighting either
> > continues or potentially can resume. For example, although defeated in
> > World
> > War I, Germans did not give up their goal of dominating Europe and soon
> > again turned to Hitler to try again. The Korean War ended over a half
> > century ago but neither north or south having given up its aspirations
> > means
> > fighting could flare up at any time. Similarly, through the many rounds of
> > the Arab-Israeli conflict - wars in 1948-49, 1956, 1967, 1973, and 1982 -
> > both sides retained their goals.
> >
> > Those goals are simple, static, and binary. The Arabs fight to eliminate
> > Israel, Israel fights to win the acceptance of its neighbors.
>
> In other words if your neighbor hates your guts, you should get a shotgun
> and force him to love you. Makes sense!
No, better you should strap dynamite to your children in the hope of
finally forming a state with no one to leave it to. Makes more sense.
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TOPIC: "Death To Mooo-slums!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/8cc6d96083afade9
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 4:39 pm
From: Jacques Pelletier
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 06:53:38 -0800, Jamiil wrote:
> Yah! You have decided to join the pea-brains club I see. Kill, kill, kill,
> that's all you pea-brains can think of. You criticize the Muslims for
> their radical beliefs, but look at YOU, all you can say is kill, kill,
> kill. Didn't the man you worship told to give the other cheek!! What would
> your god say about you, t-ch, t-ch, t-ch, what a shame is the nation he
> built.
If muslims followed at least one of the teachings of Jesus (love your
neighbor) there would be less killing from muslims. Jesus being god or
only a prophet or a myth is irrelevant. Now, if muslims want to kill
unbelievers, regardless if unbelievers are turning the other cheek or not,
they must not be surprised if unbelievers defend themselves.
>
> perryneheum@hotmail.com wrote:
>> As cooler heads in Afghanistan dismissed the case of Abdul Rahman, who
>> chose 16 years ago to switch from the simpleton religion, Islam, to
>> Christianity, pea-brained mooo-slum clerics and other assholes,
>> including their mothers, staged "marches," shouting "Death to
>> Christians," and other stupid but sad curses.
>>
>> Still calling for Rahman's DEATH for ditching a ridiculous religion
>> whose "laws" call for the murder of apostates, the semi-literate imams
>> and ill-educated "students" are reported to have "soiled themselves" as
>> they prayed to allie, or agh-llah, or whoever that false jackass diety
>> is that they raise their asses to 5 times a day.
>>
>> If ever there was worldwide proof that Islam is a fake, false, dumb,
>> laughable, pathetic, blood-thirsty cult, this case points up everything
>> that is brainless and corrupt in Islamic belief.
There were many events in just the last months to show that beyond a
shadow of doubt.
>>
>> And with such a vicious and hate-filled demonstration of the
>> shallownesss and backwardness of Islam, its future, as those Afghani
>> jerks know, is very shaky, indeed!
>>
>> Face it, mooo-slum fucks, the world is tired of your religion and all of
>> your shit!
JP
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 5:16 pm
From: Four-Way Windowpane
Jamiil wrote...
> Yah! You have decided to join the pea-brains club I see.
> Kill, kill, kill, that's all you pea-brains can think of.
> You criticize the Muslims for their radical beliefs, but look at YOU,
> all you can say is kill, kill, kill. Didn't the man you worship told to
> give the other cheek!! What would your god say about you, t-ch, t-ch,
> t-ch, what a shame is the nation he built.
When did the OP mention being a xian?
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TOPIC: Article on GM/Delphi buyouts and Media Coverage
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/245fff959d974ada
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 5:16 pm
From: Ronda Hauben
Somehow the url was cut off the original post I did.
Here is the whole url:
http://english.ohmynews.com/ArticleView/article_view.asp?menu=A11100&no=281959&rel_no=1&back_url=
In alt.society.labor-unions Ronda Hauben <ronda@panix.com> wrote:
: There's an article in OhmyNews on the GM/Delphi Buyouts and the
: mainstream media coverage. The url is:
http://english.ohmynews.com/ArticleView/article_view.asp?menu=A11100&no=281959&rel_no=1&back_url=
: GM Buyouts No 'Christmas in March'
: Media coverage and Internet dialogue key to empowering workers
: Comments welcome.
: Ronda
: netcolumnist<at>gmail.com
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TOPIC: Moussaoui is a hero that exercised his 5th amendment right. He should
not even be on trial in that kangaroo court!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/be9036f2f5a59f35
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 5:17 pm
From: ken_and_or_kathy@yahoo.com
Don Ocean,
You betta be watching your back, making all those idle threats of
yours, little man.
Ken
Don Ocean showed he just needs to go through the meat grinder before he
becomes fish food when he irrationally (due to his overriding love of
the evil AmeriKKKKan regime) posted:
***************************************************************************************************
Moussoui committed suicide by admitting every charge. And you fucking
anti American pieces of shit can eat my shorts..That is until the next
time we feed you as murderous muzzie to the Hogs, that we are going to
sell to the Jews as Kosher Chicken! ;-p
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TOPIC: China to explore for our uranium
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a0fc32e4120ebab0
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 5:19 pm
From: Four-Way Windowpane
harmony wrote...
> china believes that the oz is a threat unto itself, and hence must control
> oz uranium.
The uranium is too dangerous to allow Australia to keep it.
Lately Australia has been inviting moozlum hordes into its
country, and if they get their hands on it it will be a
disaster. China knows how to properly suppress its moozlum
population, therefore the uranium is safer in Chinese hands.
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