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* Would HE have sent his children to Iraq ? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b1618eba9409b05d
* Australia - Black and white justice - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/64c00180b0ce1da6
* MURDERER FREE, INNOCENTS ROT IN JAIL! - 7 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d7d9c526ac3af31d
* Prosecution of convert 'un-Islamic' - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f8e9e9c6b1d170fe
* PKK Terrrorists: We are the TERRORISTS... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/cca14a5a49554ea7
* nelly kashmiri dog to India and Australia - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c65a21b9737985fe
* GUN NUT OPENS FIRE AT CALIF DENNY'S, KILLS ONE - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/cab9e6c5a535051b
* Pakistan, Saudi Arabia in secret nuke pact - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/45dc30161b341339
* A warning from America - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/3e97ba3e68a78e48
* SADISM, BRUTALITY OF TF-121, WORSE THAN GESTAPO! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/4b5edf558c894ae4
* Pimping Da Oscarz - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f989acbec3d530be
* Hamas Hopes a Peace Accord Can Be Reached - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5ace77c1de800d3a
* Sing Along With BITCH ("Itz Hard Out Here For A Pimp") - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d050999ea1771c53
* HARD POUNDING - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c8ca4eefaafdee81
* EN GOOGLE ....captura de los sindicatos en Cuba por los traidores comunistas.
.. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/8122192949ef8f2b
* Abdul Rahman Ordeal Reveals Islam As Religion Of Hate & Intolerance! - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9603ec610ad77ef4

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TOPIC: Would HE have sent his children to Iraq ?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b1618eba9409b05d
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 8:17 pm
From: ausstu@primus.com.au

ray wrote:
> In article <RsIUf.636970$084.146484@attbi_s22>,
> GW Chimpzilla's Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia <gw@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > ray wrote:
> >
> > > In article <GVFUf.879653$xm3.304468@attbi_s21>,
> > > GW Chimpzilla's Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia <gw@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> ray wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > In article <1441203.aHYfLYjTKD@minds.org>, Hugo <conscience@minds.org>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> ray wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > In article <1304751.YyEzrzrcFH@minds.org>, Hugo
> > >> >> > <conscience@minds.org>
> > >> >> > wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >> Would HE have sent his children to Iraq ?
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> - Would he have been so eager for Collin Powell to present pictures
> > >> >> >> of
> > >> >> >> a
> > >> >> >> mobile gasoline filter and claim it was a mobile chemical weapons
> > >> >> >> lab
> > >> >> >> ??
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> - Would he have been so eager for a 'easy' military victory, if he
> > >> >> >> had
> > >> >> >> had
> > >> >> >> the Presidential wisdom to understand the real cost of war ??
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> - Was landing on an aircraft carrier in a flight suite to announce
> > >> >> >> the
> > >> >> >> fighting was over, worth the after math ??
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> - Are the ten junior officers doing time for Abu Ghraib to protect
> > >> >> >> General
> > >> >> >> Miller, or the Administration who issued his orders ??
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> - When would a President who uses the US flag as a teflon cover for
> > >> >> >> his
> > >> >> >> decisions, ever admit to his first mistake ??
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Would you be willing to pay $6.00 per gallon for gasoline?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Good to know what YOUR motives are ;
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Burn the children, burn the soldiers;
> > >> >> just so long as we get cheap gasoline for you,
> > >> >> the rest of the people can burn for your desire.
> > >> >
> > >> > And what about your motives?
> > >> >
> > >> Iraq was producing much more oil before AWOL Bush took over. Conservatives
> > >> are
> > >> so incompetent that they really can't do anything right except loot the
> > >> taxpayers.
> > >
> > > Actually, it's the Republicans who gave out tax breaks
> >
> > No, the republicans simply lowered your monthly payments. You're still liable
> > for their spending. Idiot.
>
>
> Ah yes, typical liberal with the personal insults. Well, like I always
> said, we are all products of our mother. But if you are to be honest
> with yourself (and I'm sure you never have) you will take note that the
> waste of spending comes from both sides. Or, do I have to remind you of
> Clintons Government Air Conditioners or Midnight Basketball that ended
> up in three separate shootings? Of course, that's just a start. We can
> then talk about the North Korea deal he struck by giving the communists
> 500,000 tons of heating oil every year to NOT make nuclear weapons; and
> we all know how that turned out.
>
> But let me tell you the difference between Conservatives and Liberals.
> When we see somebody in our party doing something wrong--we point it
> out.

So why aren't you screaming your lungs out about having an incompetent
idiot in the white house who is destroying America for many years to
come. You know the one who lied about the reason to go to war, WMD
that did not exist, the one who turned large budget surpluses in to
huge deficits - your hero W Bush.

Liberals on the other hand back their guy no matter what. You
> will find many a Conservative criticizing Bush and Congress on the
> spending issues. You will never find a Liberal Democrat once criticize
> the waste of spending on their side.

I supported Clinton because he inherited an economic mess with large
deficits and turned it into surplus. It was Clinton who was in fact
more fiscally conservative than Reagan and put time limits on welfare.
I applaud Clinton for presiding over 8 years of peace and prosperity.
I am independent and if Clinton made so many mistakes like Bush I would
have criticized him.

I have seen many Conservatives
> state they were not happy with the Prescription Drug Program nor Bush's
> policy on Border Security.
>
>
> > > --it's the
> > > Democrats that loot taxpayers. Iraq is only our fifth oil supplier in
> > > this country.
> --
> NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth

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TOPIC: Australia - Black and white justice
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/64c00180b0ce1da6
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 26 2006 3:16 pm
From: "Neil Boss"

I have a Sikh background and the people who carried out the attacks on us
were people of the Congress party and not Hindus as you make out. The
Congress part has been a family business for a long time not only have these
people attacked Sikhs but have also undermined many principles of seculraism
in order to stay in power.

The Congress thugs were responsible for the riots and from what my relatives
said it was the good Hindus who took pity and gave shelter to Sikhs.

As to the Stains family you talk of one family how about in your own
backyard where your christian/pigskin friends have been killing Aboriginal
elders for 200 years. The elders are their equivalent of priests. Not to
mention the pigskins doing such things in all the lands they have occupied.

I Christians gets killed its world headlines 1,000 of others get killed and
there is no mention of those crimes at all. No wonder there is so much
resentment towards pigskins Christians and Muslims.

Hunter01 <hunter01@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:441cdeef$0$23188$5a62ac22@per-qv1-
> No more than the victims of Gujarat or the Sikh massacre, or even the
> Christian Staines family. Where is the difference??? And he claims none
> of these were genocide, so why should we acknowledge that about his
> situation, is it not polite to apply the rules of evidence he uses on
> others to his own situation as well?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 26 2006 3:19 pm
From: "Neil Boss"

As I recall the Muslims burnt a train full of Hindus stined it will it was
burning to prevent women and children leaving the train while they saw them
burn. However you say nothing about that do you? Rape and murder by Muslims
has been going on for 1,000 plus years in India.

For the rape of a dozen young women in Australia and 9/11 how have you
treated Muslims?

Hunter01 <hunter01@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:441cdf39$0$23188$5a62ac22@per-qv1-
>
> No, how about you stop trying to invent your own reality, learn to
> fucking read and get your brain out of reverse. Thousands of Muslims
> were brutally raped and murdered in the 2002 Gujarat genocide by
> subhuman hindutva mobs. Many of those raped were children. You do the
> maths, it's nothing like your paint your own reality style of "fact",
> it's a well-documented fact that these atrocities occurred in the
> Gujarat genocide.

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TOPIC: MURDERER FREE, INNOCENTS ROT IN JAIL!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d7d9c526ac3af31d
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 11:19 pm
From: "serwad"

Jews are building up the "goodwill" of the American people, until the
"goodwill" some day puts their schnoozles in the shit!

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 11:21 pm
From: "serwad"

> None taken. This clown is too stupid to suck air.
>
>
> Jim E
WE ARE TALKING HERE ABOUT A FUCKING JEWISH MURDERER WHO KILLED A 16 YEAR
OLD KID AND GOT AWAY SCOTT FREE!

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 11:23 pm
From: "serwad"

"Jim E" <YD653126@sea.edu> wrote in message
news:48l30pFkpjeuU1@individual.net...
>
> <xgarievas@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1143283569.984127.8680@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Salah Jafar wrote:
>>> the only TV dinner I eat when I am fucking your mother. That is the only
>>> offering she has.
>>> SJ
>>
>> SALAH I HAVE BEEN IN AFRICA RECENTLY AND SEEN THERE YOU TRIBE CAN'T
>> REMEMBER WHETHER THE HYENA ONE OR CHIMPY ONE, ANYWAY HOW YOU EVEN
>> FUCKING SPECY COULD TALK ABOUT NOBLE CIVILIZED WOMEN? BTW HOW
>> COMPARE YOU CHIMPY COCK WITH HUMAN ONE?

YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN TO AFRICA YOU LYING CUNT! HAD YOU SET FOOT IN AFRICA YOU
WOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT THE FINEST OF HUMAN BEINGS COME FROM THERE!

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 8:25 pm
From: "serwad"

<xgarievas@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1143283571.518812.8730@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> Salah Jafar wrote:
>> the only TV dinner I eat when I am fucking your mother. That is the only
>> offering she has.
>> SJ
>
> SALAH I HAVE BEEN IN AFRICA RECENTLY AND SEEN THERE YOU TRIBE CAN'T
> REMEMBER WHETHER THE HYENA ONE OR CHIMPY ONE, ANYWAY HOW YOU EVEN
> FUCKING SPECY COULD TALK ABOUT NOBLE CIVILIZED WOMEN? BTW HOW
> COMPARE YOU CHIMPY COCK WITH HUMAN ONE?

LIAR! THE NOBLEST OF HUMANS COME FROM AFRICA. YOU ARE SUCH AN IDIOT THAT YOU
DO NOT EVEN KNOW THAT ARABS DO NOT COME FROM AFRICA! WHAT A PUKE!

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 11:27 pm
From: "serwad"

"Tilly" <TillyGr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:VbaVf.8547$JZ1.313250@news.xtra.co.nz...
> serwad wrote:
>> Soldier who killed Iraqi girl in 2004 discharged; no criminal charges
>> filed William Cole
>>
>>
>>
>> Thursday, March 23, 2006
>>
>>
>> The Army has discharged without criminal charges a Schofield
>> Barracks soldier who was involved in the 2004 killing of a
>> 13-year-old girl and wounding of her sister and mother in Iraq.
>
>
> Clearly you don't understand what 'not enough evidence to go to trial'
> means
JUST LIKE IN THE CASE OF THE BOCA RATON JEW WHO MURDERED 16 YEAR OLD KID.
THAT MEANS THAT JEWS DECREED SO!

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 11:28 pm
From: "serwad"

> The list of things this idiot doesn't understand is longer than his rag.
>
MUCH MORE THAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND PIG! THAT IS THAT MURDERER HAS TO PAY
FOR HIS CRIME. JEW THAT MURDERED 16 YEAR OLD KID IN BOCA HAS TO PAY FOR HIS
CRIME, AND SOME DAY SOON HE WILL!
>
>
>
> Jim E
>

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 11:30 pm
From: "serwad"

> Obviously never, higher education is meaningless to Muslims as evidenced
> by the dearth of Muslim scientists. They *LIKE* living in the 7th century.
YOU KNOW FAR MORE ABOUT SUCKING COCKS THAN ABOUT ANY SCIENTISTS, YOU STUPID
IDIOTIC JEW WHORE WITH AN IQ OF 90!

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TOPIC: Prosecution of convert 'un-Islamic'
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f8e9e9c6b1d170fe
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 11:04 pm
From: "smashter"

Yes, I am full of hate...I hate the Mafia...I hate organized crime ...I hate
naziism...I hate murder..Do you love the actions of islam?

I think that only a non-thinking non-spiritual hypocryite would love the
actions of the mafia,organized crime, naziism, and islam...

I am right to hate the evil that these organizations are
perpetrating(perpetrated) on the world.You are a fool if you love what they
do and should do some soul searching and /or get your head examined.

"Sam Rahul" <SamRahul@NOemail.com> wrote in message
news:9fGdnSER_fUDjbvZRVn-jQ@sysmatrix.net...
> Prosecution of convert 'un-Islamic'
> By Frank Walker
> March 26, 2006
>
>
> AUSTRALIAN Muslim leaders yesterday condemned moves in Afghanistan to
> execute a man who converted to Christianity.
> The Australian Federation of Islamic Councils said the prosecution of
> Abdul Rahman in Afghanistan was "barbaric" and
> "un-Islamic".
>
> Spokesman Haset Sali called on the Australian Government to see if the
> Afghan prosecutors could be charged with crimes
> against humanity unless the religious charges against Mr Rahman were
> dismissed.
>
> "Such barbaric action by anyone seeking to quote Islam as supporting their
> criminal action needs to be dealt with as a
> crime against humanity," Mr Sali said.
>
> He said the Koran stated there must be "no compulsion in religion".
>
> "The prosecution of Mr Rahman, seeking the death penalty against him for
> converting to Christianity is reminiscent of
> the fascist era that caused the Second World War and the pointless death
> of 55 million people."
>
> Mr Sali said Afghans should respect the sanctity of life.
>
> http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/prosecution-of-convert-unislamic/2006/03/25/1143084045931.html#
>
>
>
>
>

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TOPIC: PKK Terrrorists: We are the TERRORISTS...
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/cca14a5a49554ea7
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 8:22 pm
From: "rick murphy"

"From: Ali Asker (pasa_asker@lycos.com)
Subject: Re: Kuwerdish contribution to Oscar 2005
This is the only article in this thread
View: Original Format
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian, soc.culture.kurdish,
soc.culture.turkish, soc.culture.iraq
Date: 2004-10-02 04:55:12 PST

We are the TERRORISTS...

We will divide Iran, Turkey, Syria and Iraq in to the pieces until
ever single individual is free from thought control, torture and
brain-washing! Every nation should have their own land where they can
practice their own culture. Iran has consist of about 20 some
different nations and we will tore them in to 20 different countries
and give mollahs a small land where they can practice their barbaric
religion to themselves and only harm temselves.

WE WILL BREAK IRAN IN TO THE PIECES!!! "

++++++++++++++++++

http://www.turkses.com/index.asp

The Terror Organization KADEK

1. General

Historical Background

The initial activities regarding the terror organization PKK have
started with the intellectual activities of some students defending the
Marxist-Leninist ideology within the Ankara's Democratic Patriotic
Students Association (ADYÖD) under the leadership of Abdullah ÖCALAN
since 1973.

Abdullah ÖCALAN and his friends declared the setting up of the
Kurdistan's Workers Party (PKK) during an illegal meeting held in the
Diyarbakir province, Lice district, Fis village on November 27, 1978
which was called 1 st. Congress.

The inital documents stating PKK's aim were the "The Way Of
Kurdistan's Revolution-Manifesto" and party program published in 1978.
According to the said program, the aim of the terror organization is to
found initially an independent Marxist-Leninist Kurdistan state in the
East and Southeast Anatolian regions in Turkey by using the method of
armed propaganda and to achieve subsequently its final goal of
establishing an "Independent United Kurdistan" through the unification
of the Kurdish states to be founded in neighboring countries.

To this end, the terror organization PKK having officially declared
the commencement of its armed activities following the bloody attacks
on the districts Eruh and Þemdinli on August 15, 1984 has determined
four-stage strategy in order to divide and destroy Turkey by trying to
gather some part of the people, who have been living in peace within
the country for thousands of years, on a separate territory under a
different flag claiming that they have allegedly a different identity.

According to the above-mentioned strategy, it has been intended to;

- Obtain certain cultural and social rights at the first stage,

- Set up an autonomy or another administrative system of federation
type at the second stage,

- Establish the alleged North Kurdistan in our territory at the
third stage and

- Found an independent and united Kurdistan state in the region to
include some parts of Iranian, Iraqi and Syrian territories at the
final stage.

To this end, the terror organization PKK has adopted the method of
separatism-based, three-phased armed propaganda which was called the
war of people, and based on violence directed against the regional
people. Accordingly, the terror organization PKK has aimed at.

- Completing strategic defense stage through armed propaganda,
alleged guerilla war and mobile war operations under the control of its
leading staff within the framework of its ideological ideas in the
first phase,

- Partially completing the process of establishing fronts and an
army and thus, creating the strategic balance which will provide the
balance of power between the security forces and the terror
organization in the second phase and,

- Establishing saved areas in the region after triggering public
risings wherever possible by escalating the conflicts and passing into
strategic attack state when seizing the authority in the third phase,

The terror organization which has increased its armed force over 8
thousand men and raised the violence it has used against the people
regardless of their being women, elder or children to the highest level
from 1992 has not been able to achieve the above-mentioned stages until
today due to the measures taken in accordance with the "Area
Superiority Concept" put into practice from 1994, and the operations
successfully conducted by security forces. As a result, the separatist
terror organization was forced to take the decision of unilateral
ceasefire four times in 1993, 1995, 1998 and finally on September 01,
1999 in order to preserve its terrorist power.

The terror organization desiring to exploit the alleged cease-fire
as an opportunity of recovery for tactical purposes has tried to prove
that it still maintains its existence by continuing its acts and
violence against the civilians and security forces in rural, on the one
hand, carrying out sabotage and bomb attacks in the cities, on the
other hand.

The Turkish Armed Forces has gained an important success in pulling
down the terror organization and its activities to a marginal level
through a successful military operation it has conducted under the
Turkish constitution and legislation to destroy the internal threat, by
acting in a way that ensures the simultaneous implementation of a
series of administrative, social and economic measures taken to prevent
the support being provided to the terror organization.

The last achievement of the Turkish Armed Forces in struggling
against terrorism was that head of the terror organization A. ÖCALAN,
who was deported from Syria, was taken to Turkey following his capture
in Kenya/Nairobi on February 15, 1999 and brought before the
independent court.

The terror organization, tending to resort again to violence during
the period when the head of the terror organization has been taken to
Turkey and brought before the judge, has been able to adapt itself to
the new situation in a short time within the framework of the defense
that head of the terror organization has made in the court and has
tried to reach its goal by exploiting Turkey's EU goal and certain
values such as human rights and democratic rights widely accepted by
the international community. Within the framework of his defense in the
court, the head of the terrorist organization has changed his tactic
and begun to articulate such concepts as "Democratic Republic" and
"Democratic Middle Eastern Union" in its defense to save himself from
capital punishment.

At the VII. Congress of the terror organization held in the Kandil
Mountain region in Iraq on January 02-23, 2000 during which the new
strategy of the terror organization was agreed, it was decided that;

- The armed activities should be resumed in case of execution of
head of the terrorist organization and.

- The Kurdistan's National Liberation Army (ARGK), the alleged
military flank of the terror organization should maintain its existence
under the title of "People Defense Forces (Hezi Parastini Gel-HP) and
the Kurdistan's National Liberation Front (ERNK), the alleged political
flank of the terror organization, which mainly carries out activities
in European countries under the "Kurdish Democratic People Union
(Yekita Democratic A Gele Kurd-YDK) until appropriate legal
arrangements regarding recognition of the Kurdish identity in Turkey
and constitutional guarantees are provided.

The legalization plan that the terror organization has developed
according to its new strategy agreed during its congress, provides for
the followings:

- Giving the message that it is ready to make peace with the
government of Turkish Republic in order to obtain the status of being
recognized as a party in national and international public opinion,

- Handing over some terrorists to the security forces to convince
the public opinion that it is allegedly ready to make peace,

- Making political studies within the People's Democratic Party
(HADEP), which has political connection with the terror organization,
or a similar legal organization, and cooperating with other political
parties,

- Making guiding studies within the municipalities governed by
HADEP to broaden grass roots,

- Having contacts and cooperating with intellectuals from all
circles in Turkey's democratization to ensure the alleged cultural
rights of Kurds being recognized,

- Demanding that the Turkish government should make legal changes
to prove its goodwill through the human rights organizations,

- Bringing up the education in Kurdish language,

- Ensuring the Kurdish identity coming to the fore by focusing on
cultural activities,

- Organizing campaigns in order to ensure the scope of the law of
amnesty being extended,

The terror organization has attempted by its new plan to reach its
final goal that it could not achieve through its armed struggle it has
been carrying out for 16 years, through legalization efforts. To this
end, it has increased its activities it has conducted under the title
of the "Democratic Republic" at home and under "Political Settlement (
Solution ) To The Kurdish Problem" abroad,

In the plan the terror organization developed under the name of
"Peace Project" on March 07, 2000 following the VII. Congress,

- The alleged "Kurdish Problem" and PKK terror are identified with
the Irish, Palestinian, East Timor and Basque problems and it is
requested that the related "Political Solution" initiatives should also
be taken in Turkey and,

- It is put forward that the settlement of the alleged Kurdish
problem in Turkey in accordance with the predictions of head of the
terror organization, Öcalan would also serve the settlement of the
problems in the Middle Eastern countries, and the "Democratic Middle
Eastern Union" to be set up in regional countries would lead to
economic, social and cultural developments,

- Subsequently, in its 2nd "Party Assembly" meeting held in North
Iraq in September 2000, the terror organization decided to be
reorganized to conceal its terrorist identity and began to term its
former structure with innocent titles,

- Assuming that the new strategy of the terror organization could
not be well understood and adopted by its mountain members, the terror
organization held the III. "Party Assembly" meeting between 27 February
and 03 March 2001 and focused on restructuring activities in accordance
with the decisions it took during the said meeting. In addition, the
terror organization, having assessed that the people movement
activities could not achieve the desired level, has intensified its
efforts to ensure its new strategy being accepted by its members and
supporters through a series of meetings.

In this context;

* The "Centralized Propaganda and Media Conference" was held
between 29 May and 07 June 2001 in order for the efforts in the media
field, that the terror organization considers to be insufficient, and
to reach an organized structure,

* The "1st Public Movement Conference" was held between 20 June and
02 July 2001 for the purpose of carrying out the acts and activities
the terror organization has started under the name of alleged 2nd Peace
Efforts, in a more organized manner through its supporters and
sympathizers who are directed by the front organizations,

* The "1st Public Defense Forces (HPG), Conference" was held
between 28 June and 12 July 2001 in order to develop a new structure by
making radical changes in the armed flank of the terror organization
from the armed group order and discipline to war tactics and
techniques,

* The "3rd Free Women Party (PJA) Conference" was held on July
11-22, 2001 to make the women organizations conducting activities in
legal and illegal fields more active and organized,

* The "1st Culture, Art and Folklore Conference" was held on 11-22
July 2001 in order to indoctrinate wider parts of the people with
separatist ideas and,

* The "6th National Conference" was held on August 05-22, 2001
under the leadership of the alleged Supreme Council of the terror
organization in order to coordinate the conferences to be held in line
with the activities the terror organization carries out in various
fields and to direct all organizational efforts towards public
movements,

- The above-mentioned conferences have drawn special attention as
the ones which have been held within the framework of preparations for
the 8th Congress of the terror organization PKK. According to the
decisions taken during the said conferences, various campaigns have
been organized primarily in Europe and subsequently in Turkey for the
purpose of gaining support for the requests of constitutional
recognition of the Kurdish identity and the use of Kurdish language as
the language of education. However, the terror organization has not
been able to reach the desired level of participation by the people.

- On the other hand, the terror organization has focused on
re-establishment of the terrorist groups not directly affected by the
security forces and on their armed training in raid, laying ambush and
sabotage. The disagreements arising within the terror organization,
PKK-KPU conflict and escape of nearly five hundred Syrian terrorists
from the terror organization in particular have been the noticeable
problems that the terror organization has faced within the period under
review.

- In the meantime, the defense that head of the terror organization
has developed for his trial lasting in the European Court of Human
Rights has been printed by the terrorist organization in a two-volume
book under the title of "From the Sumerian Monastic State To The
Democratic Republic", accepted as the second manifesto and begun to be
used as a guide document for all activities carried out by the terror
organization and as a basic document in the ideological training of the
terrorist organization's members and supporters.

- The 8th Congress preparations which have lasted for a long time
in accordance with the outline of the said defense of head of the
terrorist organization was held in the Kandil Mountain region in
Northern Iraq on April 04-10, 2002 with the participation of 285
terrorist's 106 of whom were women and 179 men as well as about 100
audiences,

- In the said congress during which the activities the terror
organization PKK has conducted in the past and report developed
according to the defense of head of the terror organization and
submitted to the congress have also been evaluated, it has been pointed
out that;

* The terror organization PKK has obtained some advantages like
raising of the Kurdish problem in international area as a result of the
armed struggle it has conducted since 1977,

* However, the ideology and modus operandi adopted by the terror
organization at the beginning have failed due to the collapse of the
former Soviet system and the anti-terror environment arising following
the September 11, 2001 terrorist attack on the US and,

* It has been the time that PKK would be replaced by a completely
new formation in order not to be included in the list of terrorist
organizations, and it must undergo restructuring beginning from its
ideology to its lowest-level units, including a change in its
organizational title,

* The "3rd Free Women Party (PJA) Conference" was held on July
11-22, 2001 to make the women organizations conducting activities in
legal and illegal fields more active and organized,

* The "1st Culture, Art and Folklore Conference" was held on 11-22
July 2001 in order to indoctrinate wider parts of the people with
separatist ideas and,

* The terror organization PKK has obtained some advantages like
raising of the Kurdish problem in international area as a result of the
armed struggle it has conducted since 1977,

- During its 8th Congress, the terror organization has stated that
PKK's role has ended under current circumstances and decided that;

* It will not use the title "PKK" in the activities it carries out
in every field from April 04, 2002 when the birthday of head of the
terrorists is,

* It will conduct its activities under the title "Kurdistan's
Freedom and Democracy Congress-KADEK" from now on in accordance with a
new program, statute and organization based on the solution of Kurdish
problem in line with the main points of the defense that head of the
terrorists has submitted to the European Court of Human Rights within
the existing borders in four countries,

* PKK considers KADEK as its sole legal representative and disposes
of its moral and physical acquisitions to KADEK. The terror
organization made a press conference in Belgium/Brussels on April 16,
2000 and publicized its decisions.

- In the meantime, the fact that the inclusion of the PKK in the
list of terrorist organizations developed by the European Union member
nations which was issued on May 4, 2002 has led the members of the
terrorist organizations into great concern regarding the possible
inclusion of KADEK in the list of terrorist organizations. For this
reason, the terror organization has immediately begun to make protests
against such nations as Denmark, Spain, the UK who have had an effect
on the related decision-making,

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TOPIC: nelly kashmiri dog to India and Australia
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c65a21b9737985fe
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 26 2006 3:22 pm
From: "Neil Boss"

Idiot most people know in here that my grand parents left for Africa hence i
talk of my experiences in Africa too.
You could ask me to clarify things I am happy to BUT you can't do that can
you?

Hunter01 <hunter01@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:441cdef6$0$23188$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> Neil Boss wrote:
> > Thats a fact what you have said. Lets see if Hunter01 is able to contain
> > himself without threatening violence. My grandfather had no choice but
to
> > leave India thanks to the British who robbed us.
>
>
> Oh really, so you've been here 3 generations now have you??? Please try
> to at least keep your lies consistent, it changes every time you tell it.
>
>

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TOPIC: GUN NUT OPENS FIRE AT CALIF DENNY'S, KILLS ONE
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/cab9e6c5a535051b
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 8:24 pm
From: "0:->"

Morton Davis wrote:
> "Bert Hyman" <bert@iphouse.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9791B352EA081VeebleFetzer@216.250.184.7...
>> In news:_LjVf.844716$x96.728621@attbi_s72 "Morton Davis"
>> <antikerry@go.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Bert Hyman" <bert@iphouse.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Xns97919183322AAVeebleFetzer@216.250.184.7...
>>>> In news:uoWdnTs3wb8oObjZRVn-pQ@scnresearch.com "0:->"
>>>> <pohaku.kane@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Neil Boss wrote:
>>>>>> Long live FREEDOM and democracy in America. People have nothing to
>>>>>> fear Americans are good hopefully their freedoms will free us too
>>>>>> when they kill themselves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tell me did the Americans learn from Vietnam? Does not look like
>>>>>> it they are now in Afganistan and Iraq.
>>>>> I see. You think what we should have learned is not to go. To
>>>>> abandon people to despots and killers.
>>>> Instead, we expend trillions of dollars and thousands of American
>>>> lives just to give people the "freedom" to ->elect their own despots
>>>> and killers.
>>>>
>>> Except they haven't done that.
>> Our stated goal in Viet Nam, Afghanistan and Iraq was to allow the
>> people the "right of self determination". Any suggestion that we had
>> ->any national interest at stake was and is strongly denied.
>>
>>
> In Vietnam we never got to complete the mission the angy left of the time
> snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. The part about se;lf determination
> mean THEY - not us - determine their fate. Vietnam never got that chance.
> Afghanistan and Iraq are going to get that chance becauuse the angry left
> can't get enough people to march in their favor to shut down a Dairy Queen.
> We do have national interests at stake, chief among them not allowing the
> entire region to disolve and become another Rwanda.
>
> Or Samolia. It was Bill Clinton's bungling of Samolia that gave Saddam and
> bin Laden the idea that America was weak and wouyld cut and run if they
> killed enough Americans. That's what I've been saying for three years. Now a
> new Pentagon report on Iraq says it too. Vietnam is in there too. Vietnam
> plus Samolia plus a few other things and the bullies of the Middl;e East saw
> America as being a country of pussies they could boss around. So bin Laden
> has 9-11 done and Saddam thumbs his nose at the big pussies who won't DARE
> come after them out of fear of getting stomped on, The more it went on - the
> more bin Laden and Saddam believed we were cowards. Saddam actually believed
> we would never call his bluff and invade. If we did, he believed his army
> would cause so many casualties in the first few days of the invasion that we
> would stall out and then cut and run and never ever reach Baghdad. And he'd
> have bragging rights in the ME, telling all his fellow despots what big
> pussies we Americans are and they'd have fun laughing at us and killing
> Americans and America's allies as they pleased.

All he'd have had to do to get the point about American fighting men and
women would be look at the numbers on the ground, our small force
against hundreds and hundreds of Somali coming from all directions, how
long we held out, and the severe damage we did in taking enemy lives.

We sure as hell didn't just run away before inflicting major damage even
as outmanned and outgunned we were.

Any warriors I saw surviving that I would NOT want to put any of my
troops up against.

How could anyone assume we'd just cut and run?

> Of course, he's insane. So is the angry left. They believe their rigged
> polls that tell them they'll win big in November. And they believe their
> sorry showing for their anti war demonstrations mean they have overwhelming
> support.

Cute isn't it?

Kane

--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 8:46 pm
From: "0:->"

Neil Boss wrote:
> Interesting reply.
>
> 0:-> <pohaku.kane@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uoWdnTs3wb8oObjZRVn-pQ@scnresearch.com...
>> I see. You think what we should have learned is not to go. To abandon
>> people to despots and killers.
>>
> Like in Vietnam. Like in Afganistan once the people there were freed from
> the USSR in the 80's they were left to the likes on the Taliban.

We weren't mind readers even then. And they constituted the legal
government at the time.

> Or Iraq
> Saddam was a great friend when he fought against the Iranians even though he
> was a dictator.

Yep, that's now foreign policy goes, our country or other countries. We
are better than most for consistency.

> Oh let us not also forget Sudan remember the film Black Hawk
> down?

Sure do. Some of the best indicators of the mettle of a countries
fighting men and women does NOT come from battles won, but how they
handled themselves in battles lost. Do YOU remember the movie?

Hundreds possibly THOUSANDS of armed Somalis coming at them in almost
continuous waves, and them only a few men holed up in a mudwalled alley.
They FRIGGIN' FOUGHT THEIR WAY OUT. And took a great many Somali's with
them, too.

Fucking Clinton betrayed them by not bringing in enough troops to do the
job there.

>> We learned, alright. We learned how to fight such wars...but then we've
>> always been very good at them. We fight to win. Our politicians,
>> sometimes, do not.
>
> I am sure you do let us see you win then talk.

We have, a number of times. You don't read history do you, just babble
the extremist hate groups bullshit.

>> That was Vietnam.
>>
>> Remember Desert Storm every time you scream, "Remember Vietnam." And
>> tell us, what do you see going wrong in Afghanistan?
>>
> I see nothing wrong there its a great place to holiday these days.

>> We never fight wars expecting to take no casualties. Do you? Is that
>> your criteria for our "failure?" That we take casualties?
>>
>> You don't know much about or understand war, do you little child?
>
> The only children I know of are those who keep on getting burnt because they
> played with fire not once but many times.

Yes, Saddam is going to burn finally for his foolishness.

> Yes I glad that the Yanks are so brave and are ready to risk their lives to
> clean the neighbourhood that they messed up.

It was already a messed up neighborhood, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan.

> I think it is wonderful that
> you are doing the job saves others from having to do it.

You euros are all cowards.

> We are very
> grateful to America ...

You should be. You wouldn't exist without our help.

god save america, they need your help alright.

You are babbling because you can't figure out the facts.

>> Kane 0:->
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Peter Franks <none@none.com> wrote in message
>>> news:53VUf.138$Fl.90@fed1read09...
>>>
>>>> Do you believe in COMPULSION to do what is right?
>>>>
>>>> We believe in FREEDOM -- allow the individual to choose right from
>>>> wrong, and learn from the consequences.
>>>
>>
>> --
>> "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
>> to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
>> contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin
>
>

--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

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TOPIC: Pakistan, Saudi Arabia in secret nuke pact
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/45dc30161b341339
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 26 2006 4:31 am
From: "QA, MAJ, The CyberQuaid"

<visualseeplus@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1143342013.936827.74250@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...

> A Pakistani C-130 was spotted by satellite loading North Korean
missiles at Pyongyang airport last year.

Rather than risking everyone laughing at you, please post a picture that the
so called satellite took.

Pakistan, which is estimated
to have between 35 and 60 nuclear weapons, said this was a straight
purchase for cash and strongly denied a nuclear quid pro quo.
"Both Pakistan and Saudi Arabia," the Pakistani source said, "see a
world that is moving from nonproliferation to proliferation of nuclear
weapons."
The Saudi rulers, who are Sunni Muslims, are believed to have
concluded that nothing will deter the Shi'ite Muslims who rule Iran
from continuing their quest for a nuclear weapons capability.

more at :

http://www.washtimes.com/world/20031021-112804-8451r.htm

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TOPIC: A warning from America
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/3e97ba3e68a78e48
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 8:30 pm
From: "Jeffrey Krantz"

A report that has been discredited, and Harvard and U of Chicago have gone
OUT OF THEIR way to claim they have nothing to do with it.
"Islam Will Replace Collapsing Amerikan Empire"
<islam_to_replace_amerikan_empire@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:qJeUf.3580$qX6.160495@news20.bellglobal.com...
>A warning from America
> By Haaretz Editorial
>
> 22 March: Two well-known American professors have released an article
> that has aroused great interest in the American and Israeli diplomatic
> communities. In the article, called "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign
> Policy," Professors John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt write that the
> Israel lobby in Congress is causing a dangerous pro-Israel tilt in
> American policy and was a critical factor in the Bush administration's
> decision to go to war in Iraq. The writers' conclusion is that America's
> negative image in the Middle East stems from its overly supportive
> attitude toward Israel.
>
>
>

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TOPIC: SADISM, BRUTALITY OF TF-121, WORSE THAN GESTAPO!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/4b5edf558c894ae4
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 11:31 pm
From: "serwad"

"patriot" <xgarievas@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1143206813.942982.96090@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
YOU SEE ALEX ARABS THINK THAT SADISM AND BRUTALITY BELONG ONLY TO THE
ARABS! AS YOU PROUVE YOUR SELF WE ARE NOT SO STUPID! ha ha ha ha ha !

AS YOU "PROUVE" IS THAT YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN TO SCHOOL YOU STUPID ARSEHOLE
JEW!

serwad wrote:
> New York Times details secret US military torture operation
> A New York Times report on March 19 details the operations of Task Force
> 6-26, a highly secret US Special Operations Unit whose members have
> reportedly engaged in torture and assassination in Iraq and Afghanistan.
> The
> existence and a hint of the operations of the unit-previously known as
> Task
> Force 121 and since renamed Task Force 145-have been reported in the press
> before, however there has never been a complete public accounting for its
> illegal activities.
> by: Joe Kay on: 23rd Mar, 06
>
>
> Based on new interviews with military and government officials, the Times
> piece ("Before and After Abu Ghraib, a US Unit Abused Detainees," by Eric
> Schmitt and Carolyn Marshall) provides some additional information about
> the
> unit, particularly with regard to its widespread practice of torturing
> Iraqi
> prisoners. However, the newspaper does more to conceal than to reveal the
> real significance of TF 6-26, which has been closely integrated with a
> policy of torture and assassination approved at the highest levels of the
> American government To this day, TF 6-26 continues to operate, but in an
> even more secretive environment than it did during the period covered by
> the
> Times article.
>
> According to the Times and previous media reports, TF 6-26/TF 121 was
> originally formed in the summer of 2003, a few months after the invasion
> of
> Iraq. Its ranks were filled with highly-trained Special Operations forces,
> including from the Army Delta Force and the Navy Seals, and also included
> intelligence agents from the Defense Intelligence Agency It has also
> worked
> closely with the CIA, the FBI and foreign intelligence agencies.
>
> The main task of TF 6-26 was to develop methods to defeat the insurgency,
> which during the months following the invasion became more intense than
> American military planners had anticipated. The group also had the task of
> capturing Saddam Hussein, which it did in December 2003. The grisly
> methods
> it used to meet these objectives were developed in a small compound known
> as
> Camp Nama, located adjacent to the Baghdad International Airport. It also
> apparently used Abu Ghraib prison as something of an outsourcing post,
> where
> it would drop off and pick up prisoners that it wanted interrogated. TF
> 6-26
> primarily dealt with "high value" detainees-individuals considered to be
> closely involved in the insurgency or with the former Baathist government.
>
> The Times reports that much of the interrogation at Camp Nama was done in
> the "Black Room," a "windowless, jet-black garage-size room" where "some
> soldiers beat prisoners with rifle butts, yelled and spit in their faces
> and, in a nearby area, used detainees for target practice in a game of
> jailer paintball." The Black Room was "nearly bare but for several 18-inch
> hooks that jutted from the ceiling, a grisly reminder of the terrors
> inflicted by Mr. Hussein's inquisitors," the Times notes. "Jailers often
> blared rap music or rock 'n' roll at deafening decibels over a loudspeaker
> to unnerve their subjects."
>
> The newspaper reported that the soldiers posted placards reading, "NO
> BLOOD,
> NO FOUL." "The slogan, as one Defense Department official explained,
> reflected an adage adopted by Task Force 6-26: 'If you don't make them
> bleed, they can't prosecute you for it.'" The newspaper quotes another
> Pentagon official, "The reality is, there were no rules there." The
> prisoners who entered Camp Nama disappeared, having no contact with
> anyone,
> including the Red Cross, which by international law must have access to
> all
> prisoners.
>
> In January 2004, TF 6-26 captured the son of one of Saddam Hussein's
> bodyguards. According to the Times, "The man told Army investigators that
> he
> was forced to strip and that he was punched in the spine until he fainted,
> put in front of an air-conditioner while cold water was poured on him and
> kicked in the stomach until he vomited."
>
> According to the Times, evidence of abuse at Camp Nama includes the period
> during which the infamous photos at Abu Ghraib were taken, but extends
> farther, into early 2004-after the Abu Ghraib photos were released. This
> included the beating of an 18-year-old man who was suspected of selling
> cars
> to a group led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.
>
> Then, "on June 25, 2004, nearly two months after the disclosure of the
> abuses at Abu Ghraib, an F.B.I. agent in Iraq sent an e-mail message to
> his
> superiors in Washington, warning that a detainee captured by Task Force
> 6-26
> had suspicious burn marks on his body. The detainee said he had been
> tortured."
>
> Shortly after this incident, TF 6-26 moved to a more discrete location in
> Balad, 45 miles north of Baghdad.
>
> According to previous reports, TF 6-26 also developed a method of seizing
> the wives of men it wanted to capture, holding them as ransom. This is
> another clear violation of international law.
>
> After presenting this evidence of systematic torture by TF 6-26, the Times
> article proceeds to exonerate the Defense Department officials from any
> responsibility. "The tensions laid bare a clash of military cultures," the
> authors write. "Combat-hardened commandos seeking a steady flow of
> intelligence to pinpoint insurgents grew exasperated with civilian
> interrogators sent from Washington, many of whom were novices at
> interrogating hostile prisoners fresh off the battlefield." At one point,
> the newspaper writes, "one of Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's top
> aides, Stephen A. Cambone, ordered a subordinate Lieutenant General
> William
> Boykin to 'get to the bottom' of any misconduct."
>
> This attempt to present the history of TF 6-26 as a case of military
> commandos gone awry, in the face of opposition and concern from Bush
> administration officials, turns reality on its head. It represents an
> attempt to cover for the administration's policy of torture, either on the
> part of the Times, the Times's sources, or a combination of the two.
> Rumsfeld, Cambone and Boykin were among the principal architects of this
> policy.
>
> The increased role and power of the Special Operations Command, operating
> within the framework and direction of the Department of Defense, has been
> a
> specific policy aim of Rumsfeld since at least 2003. Rumsfeld has
> championed
> the idea of small, secretive military units engaged in "manhunts" and
> other
> operations, and has sought to increase the role of military
> intelligence-as
> opposed to the CIA or FBI-in gathering information in Iraq and elsewhere.
>
> In carrying out this policy, he has relied heavily on Stephen Cambone, the
> under secretary of defense for intelligence. This post, which Cambone
> assumed in March 2003, was created by Rumsfeld for the purpose of
> increasing
> the role of the military in intelligence-gathering. The necessity of this
> move was particularly important for Rumsfeld following the disputes that
> arose between the Bush administration and the CIA over Iraqi weapons of
> mass
> destruction. Cambone has worked closely with Boykin, a Christian
> fundamentalist who has proclaimed that the war in Iraq is a part of a
> conflict between Christianity and Islam, and had said that President Bush
> was "not elected," but rather "appointed by God."
>
> Seymour Hersh, in a May 15, 2004, article in the New Yorker, tied the
> abuse
> at Abu Ghraib to this new policy. Citing American intelligence officials,
> Hersh reported on a Pentagon operation that "encouraged physical coercion
> and sexual humiliation of Iraqi prisoners in an effort to generate more
> intelligence about the growing insurgency in Iraq." He cited a "senior CIA
> official" who "said the operation stemmed from Rumsfeld's long-standing
> desire to wrest control of America's clandestine and paramilitary
> operations
> from the CIA."
>
> Hersh wrote that Rumsfeld "authorized the establishment of a highly secret
> program that was given blanket advance approval to kill or capture and, if
> possible, interrogate 'high value' targets... A special-access program, or
> sap-subject to the Defense Department's most stringent level of
> security-was
> set up." After an earlier dispute within the Pentagon, Cambone had been
> given authority to control all special-access programs relevant to the
> "war
> on terrorism," which would include those in Iraq.
>
> Hersh's sources claimed that this new program was eventually transferred
> to
> Abu Ghraib and the attempt to defeat the Iraqi insurgency. This provoked
> opposition from sections of the CIA, who had been working with the program
> but feared that its transfer to Iraq, accompanied by the inclusion of
> military forces that had not been trained to operate clandestinely, would
> disrupt the operation and lead to a situation such as happened in 2004,
> when
> photographs of torture were made public.
>
> While Hersh did not mention TF 6-26 in his original article, the task
> force
> appears to have been closely involved in these operations. A document
> released by the ACLU in January of this year was filed by an army
> investigator who said he could not continue to pursue an investigation
> into
> the torture of the son of Saddam Hussein's former bodyguard because the
> unit
> accused of the torture, TF 6-26, was part of a special access program.
>
> The ACLU reported, "A memorandum included in the report states that 'fake
> names were used by the 6-26 members' and that the unit claimed to have a
> computer malfunction which resulted in the loss of 70 percent of their
> files. The memorandum concludes, 'Hell, even if we reopened the
> investigation we wouldn't get any more information than we already have.'"
> A
> separate report, dated April 8, 2005, said that the Army investigation
> could
> not pursue 23 criminal cases "due to the suspects and witnesses
> involvement
> in Special Access Programs and/or the security classification of the unit
> they were assigned to during the offense."
>
> There is other evidence that has been reported linking TF 6-26/121 to Abu
> Ghraib. In the fall of 2003, when the insurgency in Iraq was intensifying,
> Major General Geoffrey Miller, who was at the time in charge of the
> Guantánamo Bay prison camp, was sent to Iraq under the direction of
> Cambone.
> It later came to light that his main task was to "Gitmoize" interrogation
> procedure in Iraq, i.e., transfer the techniques used in Cuba to Iraq. In
> September, new methods were approved by Lieutenant General Ricardo
> Sanchez,
> the military commander in Iraq, for use at Abu Ghraib. These methods came
> directly from TF 6-26/121.
>
> According to a New York Times piece on August 27, 2004, a classified and
> unreleased section of a military report on Abu Ghraib, known as the Fay
> report, "says that a July 15, 2003, 'Battlefield Interrogation Team and
> Facility Policy,' drafted for use by Joint Task Force 121 ... was adopted
> 'almost verbatim' by 519th Military Intelligence Battalion, which played a
> leading role in interrogations at Abu Ghraib." The Times wrote at the time
> that the policy "endorsed the use of stress positions during harsh
> interrogation procedures, the use of dogs, yelling, loud music, light
> control, isolation and other procedures used previously in Afghanistan and
> Iraq."
>
> Prior to being shifted to Iraq, the 519th MI Battalion had worked closely
> with TF 121 in Afghanistan, the classified section of the Fay report said.
> It is well known that during the time of the abuse at Abu Ghraib there
> were
> many unidentified military personnel, dressed in civilian clothes, who
> drifted in and out of the prison, and who Janis Karpinski, then commander
> of
> the military police unit at the facility, could not identify. These
> individuals were likely involved with military intelligence, TF 121, or
> otherwise involved in the secret interrogation programs set up under the
> direction of the Pentagon.
>
> The true role of outfits like TF 6-26 have been systematically covered up
> by
> the military, both big-business political parties and the media. All the
> investigations carried out by the government and the military have been so
> many attempts to whitewash the crimes of the Bush administration in
> ordering
> and directing the use of torture in Iraq and elsewhere. The handful of
> convictions that have been handed down-Including the recent conviction of
> an
> army dog-handler-have targeted only low-level soldiers, while leaving the
> actual architects of this policy to remain at large, indeed to retain
> their
> posts in the highest offices of the government.
>
> http://www.globalecho.org/view_article.php?aid=6950

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TOPIC: Pimping Da Oscarz
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f989acbec3d530be
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 8:36 pm
From: Von Bailey

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 22:29:22 -0500, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 23:41:10 -0500, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, looks like the Oscar producers are going down to the `hood in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>miguided effort to pump up its ratings. Has ABC forgotten the Janet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jackson debacle so soon?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>That's where the white guy illegally tore off her clothes on national
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>televeision and got away with it. What about it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Geez, ya *really* are naive if ya don't think that stunt was scripted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>in advance. Like pro wrestling. Nothing "illegal" about it (only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>unethical and immoral), so there was nothing for the "white guy" to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"get away with".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>You have some evidence besides your bigotted assumpitons that it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>'scripted'?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Because these enterntainers are too disciplined after years of
>>>>>>>>>>>training to do something spontaneous on national TV, especially
>>>>>>>>>>>something risque. Does the term "rehersal" mean anything to ya?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>None of which is evidence, just more of your stupid assumptions being
>>>>>>>>>>paraded as facts by you, the factually handicapped.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I think yer talking to the mirror now, as I have already given you the
>>>>>>>>>most important *fact* you need to understand when dealing with
>>>>>>>>>entertainers who make those fabulous buck$ -- they don't jeopardize
>>>>>>>>>their acts by doing something that hadn't been planned and rehearsed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That isn't a fact, that's your opinion that you have decided referrs
>>>>>>>>to an entire group of people. The usual habit of bigots, generalizing
>>>>>>>>to support their stupid assumptions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You deny that entertainers reherse ahead of time what they are going
>>>>>>>to do when the cameras are rolling?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not relevant to whether something unrehersed could occur during the
>>>>>>act, which is what everyone involved said. So whatever point you were
>>>>>>attempting to make simply state it and back it up.
>>>>>
>>>>>Actually they claimed it was a "wardrobe malfunction", whatever THAT
>>>>>is supposed to mean. Which is WHY entertainers always rehearse ahead
>>>>>of time, in an attempt to minimize the unexpected.
>>>>>
>>>>Which makes the stupid assumption that things cannot happen that you
>>>>don't rehearse for. That would be WRONG, but you have no problem
>>>>making such stupid assumptions when black people are involved all the
>>>>time so why stop now.
>>>
>>>No, of course the unexpected can happen. Which is precisely WHY good
>>>entertainers rehearse their acts frequently. Like hand movements,
>>>for example, like reaching out and grabbing one's singing partner.
>>>
>>So the person who's job it was to grab the singing partner screwed up
>>his part. She didn't have control over what his hands did HE did. So
>>if anyone did something purposely wrong in the live performance it was
>>HIM.
>
>Except that at rehersal time, she could have said "no".
>
Which is only relevent if you have evidence that it was rehersed. You
don't. Just more stuff you 'believe' without a shred of evidence to
back it up, as usual.

>>>>>>>>>Not when on national TV, in this case, the Super Bowl half time show,
>>>>>>>>>watched by possibly hundreds of millions world-wide.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And you have still not presented a shred of evidence that it was
>>>>>>>>scripted. None. You assume and rant as usual.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Now if I told ya there were 24 hours to a day, you would probably want
>>>>>>>proof, even though you know it to be true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Your irrelevant comparison has not changed the fact that you have not
>>>>>>presented a shred of evidence that it was scripted.
>>>>>
>>>>>Can ya prove otherwise?
>>>>
>>>>I don't have to. YOU are the one claiming specifics of which YOU have
>>>>no evidence to back up. You are simply providing one of your
>>>>pitifully sorry reflexive responses again when you have NOTHING to
>>>>back up what you say, "CAN YOU PROVE OTHERWISE" as if not being able
>>>>to demonstrate that your assumptions are wrong prove them.
>>>
>>>Wrong I've provided all the evidence you need.
>>>
>>Liar. And what's so amazing is that all anyone has to do is read the
>>thread and they will see that you haven't done anything except put
>>forth that you BELIEVE she purposely had HIM pull off a part of her
>>garment. NO EVIDENCE just what you believe.
>
>Wrong, I explained why all but the stupidest of performers would never
>do anything without working it out in advance during rehersals, which
>is what they are for. Well, OK, maybe these 2 clowns aren't the
>sharpest knives in the drawer, so maybe there is a long shot you might
>be right.
>
You *claiming* you've 'explained' something is not "evidence". So we
are back to your baseless assumptions again.

>>>>>Only the most naive of folks, like
>>>>>you, believe that it was an "accident". Or that because the man was
>>>>>white, he figured he could "get away" with sexually assaulting a black
>>>>>woman, live on TV.
>>>>>
>>>>So your scenario of a black woman 'rehearsing' it with this same white
>>>>man, (who if your scenario makes sense had to be part of the planning)
>>>>makes more sense? Only if you're as stupid as you appear to be.
>>>
>>>It makes plenty of sense once you open your head to realization that
>>>top tier entertainers don't make unplanned moves on national TV.
>>
>>Using that logic then you have to admit that Justin Timberlake, the
>>person who actually had the piece of clothing in his hand, is the
>>culprit. HE is the one who did something, Janet Jackson's hand was
>>nowhere near the piece of clothing that was removed.
>
>Nope, ya still don't understand the cold hard logic I just laid out
>for you.
>
Another baseless claim. You've put no logic forth, just your silly
assumptions which you also apparently assume everyone must
"beleive"becasue you say so.

von
---
There is no conversation that I can have that threatens my reality and I
don't see how anyone can live with such a precarious state of mind.
---
God isn't the problem, religion is. Something that doesn't exist
can't really be a problem. Worshiping something that doesn't exist
is an entirely different subect.

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TOPIC: Hamas Hopes a Peace Accord Can Be Reached
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5ace77c1de800d3a
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 26 2006 4:38 am
From: "Jeffrey Krantz"

">
> `I`ve never sent anyone on a suicide mission,` he told CBS News. `If one
> of my sons came to me and asked me that, I wouldn`t even consider giving
> him my blessing.`
I will believe him AS SOON as he publicly comes out against OTHER PEOPLES
SONS going on suicide missions.

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TOPIC: Sing Along With BITCH ("Itz Hard Out Here For A Pimp")
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d050999ea1771c53
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 8:41 pm
From: Von Bailey

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 21:42:56 -0500, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:

>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Can anyone please explain WHY this "song" is nominated for an award??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>At least someone had enough common sense to ensure a 5-second *delay*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>is in effect during the show.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Because it does a good job of representing the movie that it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>scored for, which would be the reason any song is nominated in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>oscars.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Can ya show us where it says THAT is the main criteria for nomination?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Where did I say it was the 'main reason'? Again you misiterpret my
>>>>>>>>>>words and ask me to explain your misinterpretation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yes you're right. You did say it was "the" reason for its nomination,
>>>>>>>>>not the main reason. So my question is even more relevant now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://www.oscars.org/78academyawards/rules/rule16.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Read the rules and get informed before you get into discussions you
>>>>>>>>know little about.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Where in the rules does it justify voting for a piece of trash.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>I see. Everyone was supposed to start with the premise that YOUR
>>>>>>opinion is the only one that matters. Well, sorry to disappoint you
>>>>>>but the people who voted obviously couldn't care less about your
>>>>>>opinion on the matter. Try to live with it.
>>>>>
>>>>>I can live with it just fine, because I realized many, many years ago
>>>>>that the Oscar awards committee was packed with folks who are way out
>>>>>of the mainstream. Of course, I do keep hoping for a pleasant
>>>>>surprise now and then, but it looks like I've got more waiting to do.
>>>>>
>>>>It's interesting that you consider yourself the definition of
>>>>'mainstream' while the real thing moves further and further from you.
>>>>As I have said in the past, you will die off, just like all the old
>>>>people who ranted about how rock and roll, jazz and any other kind of
>>>>music that moved into the mainstream was destroying something and
>>>>never did. And Rap Music will still be here...
>>>
>>>cRap music will be still be here for a small group of knuckleheads,
>>>but just because the super-liberal Hollywood types saw fit to give it
>>>ONE award doesn't mean that it is now "accepted" by the mainstream,
>>>because it isn't.
>>>
>>That's right. Stay in denial you serve a purpose there. An example
>>of a dying breed. First step, they deny the world is changing around
>>them, fail to adapt and die off.
>
>Wrong, wrong and wrong. Now quit dreaming, get out of bed and go do
>something constructive. Like chase the pimps off your block.
>
My neighborhood apprently doesn't share the same type of people as
yours. There are no pimps to worry about around here that I am aware
of.

>>>>>>>>>>Are you claiming
>>>>>>>>>>that the song has nothing to do with the movie it was scored for? Are
>>>>>>>>>>you claiming that such a criteria has nothing to do with it's
>>>>>>>>>>nomination?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Virutally every movie made over the past 40 years has a soundtrack, so
>>>>>>>>>the fact that this putrid film has a song that "represents" it is
>>>>>>>>>meaningless. I still have no idea, upon reviewing the lyrics, why on
>>>>>>>>>earth *this* song is worthy of an award.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That's because, as you have already admitted, you haven't seen the
>>>>>>>>film and you are a poor judge of whether or not it effectively
>>>>>>>>represents the film for just that reason.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Since nearly every movie made has at least one song that "represents"
>>>>>>>it at least as well as this one, I still don't see why *this* one has
>>>>>>>to win the award.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>You haven't seen the movie so you have no legitmate metric to make
>>>>>>your judgement from. Until then it's just you ranting your usual
>>>>>>uninformed opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>>Wrong, I DO have a "legitmate metric" -- it's called the lyrics, which
>>>>>I and others around here have referred to, including right here on
>>>>>this thread. Now grab some coffee, then open yer eyes, and yer mind
>>>>>too.
>>>>>
>>>>Your "legitmate metric" is not the one that the oscars use so as far
>>>>as the "oscar winners" your metric is useless. Go find someone who
>>>>cares about the songs of old white men wishing for the past.
>>>
>>>You missed the point as usual. Of course the Oscar folks didn't take
>>>the lyrics into account when selecting the award -- if they did, they
>>>would have had to give the award to someone else.
>>>
>>According to you who was not part of the process and as such has
>>nothing except your bigotted notiions to draw from.
>
>Nothing except the words of the lyrics themselves, which were freely
>available to any interested party before the awards were decided, and
>thus could have (and should have) been reviewed by the members of the
>committee before the vote.
>
Well, if the words won by themselves you might have a point. But
unlike you, the people who voted have the ability not only to read the
words but listen to them with music and then associate them to the
movie in which it was written for. Thus, not suffering your apparent
ignorance they had the ability to vote in a way you couldn't.

>>>>>>>>>>>>You want songs about happy people singing in the mountains go back to
>>>>>>>>>>>>the past where you belong. Oops, you can't do that. Guess you'll
>>>>>>>>>>>>have to deal with reality.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Wrong dunce. I already do deal with "reality", and have been every
>>>>>>>>>>>day that I've walked on this Earth. Unlike you. Now I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>necessarily want "happy" songs, but I don't think filth that might be
>>>>>>>>>>>OK in the `hood but nowhere else should get a form of AA here. Like:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Man it seems like I'm duckin dodgin bullets everyday
>>>>>>>>>>>Niggaz hatin on me cause I got, hos on the tray
>>>>>>>>>>>But I gotta stay paid, gotta stay above water
>>>>>>>>>>>Couldn't keep up with my hos, that's when s--- got harder
>>>>>>>>>>>North Memphis where I'm from, I'm 7th Street bound
>>>>>>>>>>>Where niggaz all the time end up lost and never found
>>>>>>>>>>>Man these girls think we prove thangs, leave a big head
>>>>>>>>>>>They come hopin every night, they don't end up bein dead
>>>>>>>>>>>Wait I got a snow bunny, and a black girl too
>>>>>>>>>>>You pay the right price and they'll both do you
>>>>>>>>>>>That's the way the game goes, gotta keep it strictly pimpin
>>>>>>>>>>>Gotta have my hustle tight, makin change off these women, yeah"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Now I've said this before and I say it again: What if MLK had
>>>>>>>>>>>suddenly returned to life. Suppose he came back Sunday evening,
>>>>>>>>>>>flipped on the TV to see what passes for entertainment today, tuned
>>>>>>>>>>>into the Oscars and saw a group of young black men chanting the above
>>>>>>>>>>>lyrics? What would he think?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I have no idea, but I am quite certain that his concern would be
>>>>>>>>>>turned towards an illegal war and a government that was lying to it's
>>>>>>>>>>citizens to cover up the biggest corruption scandal in Washington in
>>>>>>>>>>decades instead of what is happening at the oscars. Especially given
>>>>>>>>>>that his rhetoric had turned towards an anti-war message instead of
>>>>>>>>>>civil rights towards the end of his life.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>So IOW he wouldn't give a damn about the current state of affairs in
>>>>>>>>>the black community?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No. He wouldn't measure the current state of affairs in the black
>>>>>>>>community by what was nominated as best song in the oscars. He wasn't
>>>>>>>>stupid.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But he understood the power of the media. Better than many even
>>>>>>>today, over 40 years later. I seriously doubt he would have been
>>>>>>>pleased that of all the songs associated with movies that were written
>>>>>>>and/or performed by black artists, this particular one was deemed
>>>>>>>worthy of an Oscar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Only a stupid bigot such as yourself would think that MLK would be
>>>>>>judging the condition of the black community based on a song being
>>>>>>judged by a mostly white audience, the oscar voters. He, unlike you,
>>>>>>would have the decency to actually speak to black people in their
>>>>>>homes and workplaces just as he did in the time he was alive. To
>>>>>>assume that he would do so by clicking on the television set and
>>>>>>making a judgement based on an awards show is just stupid, which
>>>>>>explains why you used it.
>>>>>
>>>>>And he had gone out to black homes and workplaces, he would have
>>>>>gotten an earful, just like when a couple of journalists for the
>>>>>Washington Post did the day after the awards:
>>>>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/06/AR2006030601461.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Yes, let's see what the article says about it...
>>>>
>>>>Retha Hill, vice president of content for BET.com -- whose audience is
>>>>largely African American, college-educated and urban -- said her Web
>>>>site began posting discussions soon after the song was nominated
>>>>because her staff knew it would be controversial.
>>>>
>>>>She said the Oscar selection and the song should be put in context. It
>>>>was rapped in the film by the pimp as he struggled to make it as a
>>>>hip-hop artist, she said. He was telling the story of how he hoped to
>>>>rise above his circumstances and improve his lot -- a classic underdog
>>>>story.
>>>>
>>>>"In the context of the movie, the song makes perfect sense," Hill
>>>>said. "But if you have not seen the movie or are just watching the
>>>>performance on the Academy Awards as members of middle America and you
>>>>hear someone talking about being a pimp, it is very difficult for you
>>>>to understand."
>>>>___________________________
>>>>
>>>>Imagine that!! She says that the song should be put in context, just
>>>>like I've been saying all along.
>>>
>>>Yes, the context that the main character is a PIMP. Some hero.
>>>
>>Who said it was a story about a hero?
>
>Well the song about him got an Oscar, didn't it?
>
Since when does a song winning the oscar create heros?

von

---
There is no conversation that I can have that threatens my reality and I
don't see how anyone can live with such a precarious state of mind.
---
God isn't the problem, religion is. Something that doesn't exist
can't really be a problem. Worshiping something that doesn't exist
is an entirely different subect.

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TOPIC: HARD POUNDING
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c8ca4eefaafdee81
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 11:42 pm
From: "serwad"

"DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
news:pCiVf.20643$iR1.6683@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Who will keep his nerve?
>
> If I could sum up the new orthodoxy about Iraq, it might run something
> like the following: "I supported the overthrow of the odious Saddam
> Hussein.

Are you suggesting that Fidel has the right to overthrow Bush because he
finds Bush "odious"?

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TOPIC: EN GOOGLE ....captura de los sindicatos en Cuba por los traidores
comunistas...
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/8122192949ef8f2b
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 8:29 pm
From: "PM"

1 pedro martori 1 août 2004
CAPTURA DE LOS SINDICATOS NUMERO 5
1 pedro martori 1 août 2004
LA CAPTURA DE LOS SINDICATOS CUBANOS NUM. UNO
1 pedro martori 1 août 2004
NUM. UNO: LA CAPTURA DE LOS SINDICATOS CUBANOS
2 pedro martori 2 août 2004
LA CAPTURA DE LOS SINDICATOS CUBANOS NUM. DOS
1 pedro martori 1 août 2004
2 T.Schmidt 2 août 2004
LA CAPTURA DE LOS SINDICATOS CUBANOS NUM. 4
1 pedro martori 2 août 2004
From: Pedro Martori (pmart...@globalserve.net)
Subject: captura de los sindicatos en Cuba...num. 3
Newsgroups: soc.culture.cuba
View: (This is the only article in this thread) | Original Format
Date: 2000/04/01

LA CAPTURA DE LOS SINDICATOS CUBANOS POR LOS COMUNISTAS.
capitulo # tres

TOMADO DEL LIBRO :

<< CUBA PRIMER SATELITE SOVIETICO DE AMERICA >>

por : Daniel James

Pero , al mismo tiempo que los jefes obreristas del Mov. 26 de Julio
estaban
celebrando su victoria y preparandose para el Decimo Congreso de la CTC
anunciado para el oton~o, Raul Castro, a quien se habia encomendado la
tarea
de destruir el Movimiento 26 de Julio,inicio' en contra de ellos la
misma
campan~a de insultos y difamacion que habia desencadenado contra los
dirigentes politicos del Mov. 26 de Julio,segun describiamos enel
capitulo
anterior a este del libro.

Durante septiembre y octubre ,por ejemplo, una media docena de
importantes
jefes de las cuatro Federaciones fueron acusados de actividades
<< contrarrevolucionarias >>, suspendidos de las Federaciones y
finalmente destituidos por completo.Su unico crimen habia sido expresar
sus
opiniones en contra del comunismo durante las elecciones sindicales.En
cada
caso las acusaciones contra ellos fueron publicadas antes en el
periodico
<<HOY >>.
Despues se les hizo comparecer ante el Directorio Provisional de la CTC
y
por
dos de sus miembros, Jesus Soto y Jose Maria de la Aguilera,ambos
comunistas de la confianza de Raul Castro.
Finalmente Soto y de la Aguilera convocaron asambleas especiales de las
Federaciones a las que pertenecian los <<acusados>>, y se presentaron
acusaciones formales y se les aplico' toda la fuerza de los dirigentes
de la
CTC y del gobierno en contra de los << acusados>> ,pidiendo que fueran
expulsados de las Federaciones, y asi lo hicieron...

Estas tacticas, sin embargo, tenian solo un calor limitado.Los
trabajadores cubanos estaban demasiado en favor de los jefes obreros del
Mov. 26 de Julio
para prestarse a una purga en masa.Para los comunistas ,lo que se
necesitaba era la intervencion de las esferas superiores si deseaban
apoderarse del sindicalismo cubano.

La primera jugada en esta direccion fue' hecha el 16 de octubre ,en que
se
re-emplazo' al Ministro del Trabajo,Manuel Fernandez Garcia con el
Ministro
de Defensa,Augusto Martinez Sanchez.

El nuevo ministro no sabia absolutamente nada de problemas
laborales,ni de
sindicatos obreros pero tenia la << cualidad indispensable y necesaria

>> :

Gozaba de la completa confianza de Raul Castro...
A traves de Marinez Sanchez, en otras palabras,Raul podia aplicar todo
el
peso del Gobierno en contra de los jefes obreristas del Mov. 26 de
Julio,en
la batalla por obtener el control de la Central de Trabajadores de Cuba.
(CTC.)

En otra jugada para favorecer a los comunistas , el gobierno obtuvo un
aplazamiento del Decimo Congreso de la CTC para el 18 de noviembre
1959,evidentemente con la idea en mente de dar tiempo a Martinez
Sanchez
para entrar en accion.Pero no tuvieron exito esos planes...

El Decimo Congreso se inicio' el 18 de noviembre y duro cuatro dias.De
un
total de 3,000 delegados acreditados solo una insignificante minoria era
comunista.
Pero de fuentes independietes y ajenas...se calculaban entre los 150 y
300...

Como si quisieran compensar en prestigio lo que les faltaba en fuerza
numeica,el comunismo internacional estuvo bien representado en ese
congreso,gracias a invitaciones del grupo castrocomunista.
Estaban presentes alli' :

Los llamdos sindicatos obreros de la Union Sovietica
el hombre que los acompanaba como << interprete>> resulto' ser Vadim
Kotchergin,agente de la KGB,el servicio de inteligencia sovietico .
La Federacion Mundial de Sindicatos Obreros,controlada por los rojos...
y viejos sindicalistas rojos de Latinoamerica tales como Lumbardo
Toledano
de Mexico.

El Decimo Congreso de la CTC casi se desbarato' en su primera
sesion,cuando
se produjo un tumulto entre los delegados por la inclusion de tres
comunistas entre los trece posulados para sermiembros del Comite
Ejecutivo.
Fue' tan grande el pandemonium,que se llamo' al propio Primer Ministro
para
restaurar el orden,y entonces pronuncio' uno de sus interminables
discursos.Su tema principal fue' la << unidad>>. El sindicalismo cubano
necesitaba la << unidad>>,insistio', y era por eso que se habia a los
comuistas como candidatos para el Comite' Ejecutivo del Congreso.
Fue' una jugada tan descarada en favor de los comunistas,como muchas de
las
treta hechas anteriormente por Castro,pero no convencio' a los delegados
de
la CTC. Votaron abrumadoramente en contra de la planilla <<unitaria>> de
los
castrocomunistas-- a pesar del hecho que Salvador ,el secretario genral,
la
apoyo' tambien. Los periodicos hicieron notar al dia siguiente que era
este
el primer descalabro que sufriera Castro en un asunto de importancia...

continua en el proximo numero o capitulo...

> Trade liberty for safety or money and you'll end up with neither.
Liberty,
> like a grain of salt, easily dissolves. The power of questioning -not
> simply believing- has no friends. Yet liberty depends on it.

--
THE MOST DANGEROUS ENNEMY OF HUMANITY :

ARE NOT THE NUCLEAR OR MASS DESTRUCTION WEAPONS,

BUT STUPIDITY, FOR WHICH EVERY MINUTE... MANY HUMANS GET HURT.

¿SE LIBERARAN ALGUN DIA DELA ESTUPIDEZ?

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TOPIC: Abdul Rahman Ordeal Reveals Islam As Religion Of Hate & Intolerance!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 8:45 pm
From: "serwad"

There is nothing "Islamic" about killing an apostate! This is a traditional
tribal custom which predates islam. Rahman should be freed, and as a muslim
I would welcome him in my home any time!

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