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Today's topics:
* The Drug Problem in America - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9a71717b7489bb88
* Hu's visit to the USA ....to be cancelled or postponed ? - 2 messages, 2
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/dc57d1554f400f9c
* Food for Thought - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a2229bb1d49ce59b
* A vital safe guard....we do things our way - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/157fea714be95938
* Ron Paul, Friend of Peace, the Soldiers, and the American People Re: U.S.
hedges on whether Iraq bases permanent - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/aac0a694f267ac6
* Study: French riots not fired by Islamists - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e0a181d6a16a20b7
* Num Shabbat.... De Fernando Pessoa à Pessoa - Tributo ao Génio, não à Pessoa
do Pessoa...p.b.e. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/fbb1559733bce2f6
* Another caliphate dreamer is farting - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/1ae7e0e44db09127
* More than 100 suspected illegal immigrants found in 8 traffic incidents - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/7338c9a79b60b67e
* Wind energy more lucrative than cattle - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/3726cc33bd4f4b69
* Afghan Clerics Demand Convert Be Killed - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b9fd448c30224917
* Fraud FAKE Frank Arthur - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/16024d1c1a2f3de8
* Wealth Creates Poverty - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d4aeaf6ab8e9bedc
* The Digital Boy and Girl Scouts - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/da4a099476d3e862
* Senate Passes Patriot Act By Huge Margin - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e24ebcf4d175184e
* Consumers are bracing for the new AT&T - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/289b35b54c526254
* Biblical Prophecy About India - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/bdb6c31e5c5c29c9
* A land the Pallies can call their own - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/25f5f3fa499c2124
* Israel May Be Next al-Qaida Battleground - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c8c9da1d258d18b0
* gun owners and nra proven wrong - again - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/113cc170f0e4312a
* Justice at Last - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5dc969963a7c8f17
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TOPIC: The Drug Problem in America
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9a71717b7489bb88
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 5:26 pm
From: "Zhavriol"
The other day, someone at a store in our town read that a
methamphetamine
lab had been found in an old farmhouse in the adjoining county and he
asked
me a rhetorical question, ''Why didn't we have a drug problem when you
and I
were growing up?''
I replied: I had a drug problem when I was young:
I was drug to church on Sunday morning.
I was drug to church for weddings and funerals.
I was drug to family reunions and community socials no matter the
weather.
I was drug by my ears when I was disrespectful to adults.
I was also drug to the woodshed when I disobeyed my parents, told a
lie,
brought home a bad report card, did
not speak with respect, spoke ill of the teacher or the preacher, or if
I
didn't put forth my best effort in everything that was asked of me.
I was drug to the kitchen sink to have my mouth washed out with soap if
I
uttered a profane four-letter word.
I was drug out to pull weeds in mom's garden and flower beds and
cockleburs
out of dad's fields.
I was drug to the homes of family, friends, and neighbors to help out
some
poor soul who had no one to mow the yard, repair the clothesline, or
chop
some firewood; and, if my mother had ever known that I took a single
dime as
a tip for this kindness, she would have drug me back to the woodshed.
Those drugs are still in my veins; and they affect my behavior in
everything
I do, say, and think. They are stronger than cocaine, crack, or heroin;
and,
if today's children had this kind of drug problem, America would be a
better
place.
~author unknown~
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TOPIC: Hu's visit to the USA ....to be cancelled or postponed ?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/dc57d1554f400f9c
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 5:31 pm
From: charles_liu@my-deja.com
Bad boy wrote:
> <bmoore@nyx.net> wrote in message
> news:1143234374.637079.86170@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> > Bad boy wrote:
> >> According to the latest report from the White House,
> >> Hu's visit to the USA is to be down graded from a
> >> State visit ...to a non diplomatic visit ...like the visit of
> >> President Chen of Taipei. The White House has told
> >> the world that Hu is to be treated like a lackey...when he
> >> come to the USA.
> >
> > Yeah,...... so I hope you don't mind if I ask
> > you for a cite. Because this "fact" isn't showing up anywhere in the
> > press. Maybe you just imagined it.
>
> On page 19 of Straits Times, (Singapore) under the
> heading "White House vague over the status of
> Hu's visit"....it was reported that --
>
> Quote:
> " When asked if Hu's trip is a state visit, White House
> spokesman, Scott MacClellan said "It is a visit by
> President Hu....."
> "Asked why the trip would not be billed as a state visit,
> NSC spokesman Fred Jones said "Each visit to the White
> House is unique, following a different substantive and
> social format" unquote.
>
> The White House informed the world media
> that Hu's trip will NOT be treated as a state
> visit. (see website below)
>
> Bad boy.
>
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5299474
Good job. Another one of BO's "I know you are, but what am I?"
backfiring on him.
> When Is a Visit Not a Visit?
> March 24, 2006 · So President Hu Jintao of China will visit the White House
> in April. But exactly what kind of visit is it? Our man at the White House,
> Don Gonyea, sent me this from this morning's White House gaggle with
> spokesman Scott McClellan. Here's a slightly edited version:
>
> Q: The Chinese say that their president's visit here will be a "state visit"
> and in your announcement it was referred to simply as "a visit." So what
> will be the formal status of the visit?
>
> McClellan: Well, uh, I mean... let me mention a couple of things on that.
> Because I think, I think... when President Hu comes to visit, and each
> visit, in our view, is unique. And my understanding is that when President
> Hu travels to a foreign country... the Chinese refer to that as a state
> visit, but there will be a number of activities that will be taking place...
> He will be accorded full military honors when he comes and... President Hu
> and his wife will be the guests of President and Mrs. Bush for lunch here at
> the White House...
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 10:35 am
From: "Bad boy"
It could be.... Bush told Hu personally it was
a state visit, ....but now tell the world that
it is NOT.
Anyway, Chinese leader follow Reuters news
and other media.... Before long, China will know
what Bush has planned for Hu's visit.
Bad boy.
<demorising@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1143253468.156088.205000@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Bad boy wrote:
>> Yes. I read the report in China Daily. China can
>> inform its people.... Hu is making a "state visit"
>> to the White House.
>>
>> But, in the USA, he will NOT be received
>> and honoured as a head of state....he will
>> be received as a lackey to the USA.
>
> In other words, it is not a state visit, but Hu is lying to the Chinese
> people by claiming that it is a state visit.
>
>> "Feelers" <enjoylife488@hot.com> wrote in message
>> news:1143174419.693605@ftpsrv1...
>> > according to china daily they have this account:
>> >
>> >
>> > "At the invitation of U.S. President George W. Bush, Hu will pay a
>> > state
>> > visit to the United States in mid or late April," Qin Gang told the
>> > regular press briefing. "
>> >
>> > http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200603/24/eng20060324_253006.html
>> >
>> > so report not accurate?
>
> The report is not only not accurate, but it is also an intentional lie.
> The host country defines what is and what is not a state visit.
>
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TOPIC: Food for Thought
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a2229bb1d49ce59b
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Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 6:33 pm
From: "jb"
"Mark Donovan" <mdon@don.org> wrote in message
news:JgTUf.278$Od7.180@trnddc06...
>
> "jb" <jbenbo(4)@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:eXSUf.131$Fl.40@fed1read09...
>>
>> "Mark Donovan" <mdon@don.org> wrote in message
>> news:lwRUf.15691$bu.3700@trnddc04...
>>> 1. According to two different versions of the Old Testament, God created
>>> the Universe either about 5500 BC, or about 4000 BC. What was he doing
>>> before that?
>> Could you give me some specific references as to how you came up with
>> these numbers? We can make endless speculation without specific
>> reference so the question is a moot one.
>
> Sorry, I assumed this is a common knowledge among all of us who studied
> the Bible. I also assumed all of us know how to use Google or any other
> search engine to check the presented facts. I was wrong.
> Here are the references you were unable to find:
The reason why I asked was because I never saw a specific time listed and
having read where you got the dating it is speculative depending on a number
of variables, unless specific times are listed. This was the point I was
trying to arrive at. It is not something I ever figured was important to
speculate about, but I probably had heard of it before.>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dating_Creation
>
> "Two dominant dates for Biblical Creation using such models exist, about
> 5500 BC and about 4000 BC. These were calculated from the genealogies in
> two versions of the Bible, with most of the difference arising from two
> versions of Genesis. The older dates are based on the Septuagint. This
> translation was used by some Jews until about 100, then by all Christians
> until 405, then by the Byzantines until 1453, and is still used by the
> various Orthodox churches. The later dates are based on the Hebrew text of
> the Torah (the precursor of the Masoretic text), which is still used by
> all Jews. Jerome translated it into Latin as the first book of the Vulgate
> in 405, then it was used by all Western Christians, who split into Roman
> Catholics and Protestants beginning in 1517. Basically, the patriarchs
> from Adam to Terach, the father of Abraham, were often 100 years older
> when they begat their named son in the Septuagint than they were in the
> Hebrew or the Vulgate (Genesis 5, 11). The net difference between the two
> genealogies was 1466 years (ignoring the "second year after the flood"
> ambiguity), which is virtually all of the 1500-year difference between
> 5500 BC and 4000 BC."
>
> http://fermat.nap.edu/html/creationism/origin.html and many more.
>
> I will not address your other responses, because they are too typical of
> all you religious fanatics. "It is so because God chose it to be this way,
> that's why it is so". No reason to reason. Lots of words but no meaning.
>
> Mark
>
>>> 2. Why did God create trillions of planets and stars? Why the Bible
>>> doesn't explain the purpose of all that enormous work?
>> We can ask why all day long, but without information we can only
>> speculate.
>>>
>>> 3. When did God create the dinosaurs?
>>>
>>> 4. Why did God create the mosquitos?
>>>
>>> 5. Why did God kill crowds of innocent boys of Egyptian families, as
>>> described in the Book of Exodus?
>> First of all from a Biblical standpoint no one is innocent and all are
>> under the death penalty. The story tells us that God choose out a
>> specific people and let them stay in Egypt. While there Moses told
>> Pharoeh to let God's people go or certain plaugues would come upon them
>> that certainly resulted in more deaths than just the final plauge.
>> Objectively we all die at a certain point. We may assume people deserve
>> this or that, but in reality we have no evidence that we deserve
>> anything. We didn't deserve to be born , we were simply born apart from
>> any deserving on our part. Do we merit death or is it a simple fact that
>> happens to us all? Now if God allows the enivitable to come sooner for a
>> specific purpose is God unjust? Death comes to us all and God put the
>> death sentence in effect according to the Bible story.
>>>
>>> 6. Why God has such a violent, clearly bipolar swings of mood: he's
>>> angry, violent, vindictive, unforgiving, then suddenly he's gentle,
>>> loving, caring and forgiving, and back?
>> The reality of it is God is reacting to the depravity of mankind:
>> Genesis 6:5-6 (NIV)
>> 5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and
>> that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the
>> time. 6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his
>> heart was filled with pain.
>>
>> In reality if we real scriptures we see that the judgment is a matter of
>> reaping and sowing. God gives people according to what they have stored
>> up in their hearts. The mercy aspect is always a part of God.
>>>
>>> 7. What happened to the souls of those people, who lived and died before
>>> Christ came to Earth?
>>
>> In reality it comes down to God's choosing. He chose the Israelite
>> people out of all the others. It does make sense that God does the
>> choosing and the creation and that the sacrifice of Christ is
>> retroactive.
>>>
>>> 8. What will happen to the souls of those people, who, by his Divine
>>> Will, happened to be born in Muslim families within the Muslim
>>> countries, where Christianity is strictly forbidden, such as Saudi
>>> Arabia and Maldives?
>>
>> What some fail to understand is they can secretly believe and actually
>> do. Islam recognizes Jesus as a prophet but of course not the way
>> Christianity does. Christianity is not forbidden, but conversion is
>> forbidden. This does not mean that they can control what people believe
>> about Jesus. Yet it is important to recognize what the salvation that
>> Jesus offers is. It is freedom from the wrath that people already have
>> stored up within them. God is reflecting back peoples own wrath and
>> depravity on them.
>>
>> Proverbs 1:29-33 (NIV)
>> 29 Since they hated knowledge and did not choose to fear the LORD, 30
>> since they would not accept my advice and spurned my rebuke, 31 they will
>> eat the fruit of their ways and be filled with the fruit of their
>> schemes. 32 For the waywardness of the simple will kill them, and the
>> complacency of fools will destroy them; 33 but whoever listens to me will
>> live in safety and be at ease, without fear of harm."
>>
>> [1]
>>
>> [1] The Holy Bible : New International Version. 1996, c1984 (electronic
>> ed.). Grand Rapids: Zondervan.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> --Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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TOPIC: A vital safe guard....we do things our way
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/157fea714be95938
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Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 9:34 am
From: "Bad boy"
"Dave Baker" <newsgroup_poster@jodael.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:54:29 +0800, "Bad boy" <badboy_sinland@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>> Would Thaksin get a job as P.M.? :-)
>>
>>Learn to debate first....before you ask a question!
>
>
> So, this is your tactic to avoid answering questions? Fairly childish.
Debate
Bad boy
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TOPIC: Ron Paul, Friend of Peace, the Soldiers, and the American People Re: U.
S. hedges on whether Iraq bases permanent
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/aac0a694f267ac6
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Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 1:37 am
From: "Kavik Kang"
"lo yeeOn" <acoustic@panix.com> wrote in message
news:e0227a$5gt$1@reader2.panix.com...
> Why do we need ``enduring'' bases? Why do we need to sacrifice more
> American soldiers to maintain those ``enduring'' bases? And why do we
> want to spend more money on building those expensive bases while the
> health care of the American people is being neglected?
"Finlandization"... the whole reason we went there in the first place,
moron. Any more totally ignorant questions?
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TOPIC: Study: French riots not fired by Islamists
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e0a181d6a16a20b7
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Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 8:41 pm
From: Bill 2
K James wrote:
>
> Study: French riots not fired by Islamists
> By GARETH HARDING
> UPI Chief European Correspondent
>
> BRUSSELS, March 10 (UPI) -- The urban riots that shook France to its core last year were not sparked by Islamist
> fanatics and had little to do with the radicalization of the country's Muslim youth, says a new report by the
> International Crisis Group. Instead, the independent Brussels-based grouping blames the violence on political
> frustration and social deprivation among Muslim communities and the heavy-handed tactics adopted by French police in
> deprived suburbs.
>
> Almost 9,000 cars were torched and 3,000 people were arrested in October and November after two African youths were
> electrocuted fleeing police officers. The center-right government responded by declaring a state of emergency and
> imposing a curfew in the worst-hit suburbs. The rioting, which lasted 20 days and nights, was the worst civic unrest in
> France for almost four decades and led some commentators to declare that the country was teetering on the edge of a
> civil war between its indigenous population and largely Muslim immigrant communities.
>
> "France faces a problem with its Muslim population, but it is not the problem it generally assumes," says the ICG in its
> latest report, citing French concerns about the security threat posed by a five million-strong Muslim population
> mobilized by radical Islam. "In fact, the opposite is true: paradoxically, it is the exhaustion of political Islamism,
> not its radicalization, that explains much of the violence, and it is the depoliticization of young Muslims, rather than
> their alleged reversion to a radical kind of communalism, that ought to be a cause for worry."
>
That reminds me of the FLQ crisis of 1970. Once the Quebecois youth stopped going to Church,
they started blowing things up and killing people. What France needs is somebody like Trudeau to
send the army in and round up these hooligans.
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TOPIC: Num Shabbat.... De Fernando Pessoa à Pessoa - Tributo ao Génio, não à
Pessoa do Pessoa...p.b.e.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/fbb1559733bce2f6
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 1:10 am
From: "HArieh"
De Fernando Pessoa à Pessoa
A criança que fui chora na estrada.
Deixei-a ali quando vim ser quem sou;
Mas hoje, vendo que o que sou é nada,
Quero ir buscar quem fui onde ficou.
Ah, como hei-de encontrá-lo? Quem errou
A vinda tem a regressão errada.
Já não sei de onde vim nem onde estou.
De o não saber, minha alma está parada.
Se ao menos atingir neste lugar
Um alto monte, de onde possa enfim
O que esqueci, olhando-o relembrar,
Na ausência, ao menos, saberei de mim,
E, ao ver-me tal qual fui ao longe, achar
Em mim um pouco de quando era assim.
22/09/1933
Ah, quão belo é o génio, o Sopro, em verme criado.
Agora...Não entendo quem se amoque,
Quando se aspire com sofreguidão, com prazer,
O Sopro Divino, esse Mago Real e Único.
Só sei que quem critica quem de seu par,
É-lhe superior em comunicar com Nosso Pai,
É por lhe ser vergonha e mau perder de quem é assim, assim...
(Para não dizer: Medíocre ou Mau!! ).
Não temas!, aconselho, diz-me ELE que se és assim...
Mais Não Digo!. Entenda-se o Subentendido!!
Com prazer.
Cordiais Cumprimentos Shabbatianos.
--
HArieh ©
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TOPIC: Another caliphate dreamer is farting
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/1ae7e0e44db09127
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Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 8:27 pm
From: "rkusenet"
http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/mar-2006/25/letters2.php
With friends like these
With friends like America, who needs enemies! President Bush has promised the earth to India,
whilst demanding from us to 'do more'. Whilst we have been told by America to curtail our nuclear
programme, Bush has signed an agreement with India granting it the nuclear power status, as
enjoyed only by veto-wielding permanent members of the UN Security Council.
Whilst we have lost the strong ties with Afghanistan we had before 2001 due to America's invasion,
Bush has opened the doors to India, even allowing her to train the Afghan legislators in
democracy.
Whilst America has told us to choke the Kashmir liberation struggle, Bush has prepared the ground
for the division and separation of Kashmir from Pakistan, a "divide and rule" ploy that will
benefit only India. The American abuse of Pakistan's friendship has been going on since America
entered in a strong way into the affairs of Pakistan through General Ayub Khan. Moreover, Pakistan
is not alone.
America has apparent double standards when it comes to the entire Muslim World. Yet, every time we
think about getting out of this disastrous relationship, America comes up with a token promise of
gifts to calm us down. Is it not high time we learnt the lesson and left this doomed dependency?
Certainly, instead of opening ourselves to further harm, we should get together for the sake of
Islam with peoples of the other Muslim countries to become one people with one state. The Muslim
world has ample energy and human resources to be a superpower itself. -DR ABDUL-WAJID, Lahore, via
e-mail, March 4.
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TOPIC: More than 100 suspected illegal immigrants found in 8 traffic incidents
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/7338c9a79b60b67e
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 5:43 pm
From: "Messalina"
necromancer wrote:
> > Laura Bush murdered her boy friend:
> > I'm sick of hearing that crap about how the illegals take jobs
> > americans won't. The govt and their toadies in the press say that all
> > the time and yet there isn't a shred of evidence for it. And even if it
> > was true, who cares whether rich people have a gardener or a maid?
>
> Gawd, you are such a hypocrite and fool. Right side of the mouth,
> "Goddammit. All americans left and right are sick of these aliens
> invading america but neither party, dem or gop, will do anyting about
> it." Left side of the mouth, "And even if it was true, who cares whether
> rich people have a gardener or maid."
>
> So, who's cleaning *your* house and mowing *your* lawn, hypocrite? Have
> you learned to speak their native tongue?d
Both my gardener and my cleaning lady speak perfect English, Twat.
Mez
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TOPIC: Wind energy more lucrative than cattle
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/3726cc33bd4f4b69
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 1:53 am
From: hi@anony (habshi)
excerpt
With a large, advanced-design wind turbine generating easily $100,000
worth of electricity per year, even a 3 percent royalty would earn
ranchers $3,000 a year from leasing a quarter-acre of ranchland. And
they can still run cattle on the land. If the proposed project is
approved as expected, these 30 or so ranchers will have an average of
seven turbines each, yielding roughly $21,000 a year in additional
income. A decade from now, there may be thousands of ranchers who will
be earning more selling electricity than they do selling cattle.
In upstate New York, dairy farmers in Lewis County near Lake Ontario
warmly embraced the 195-turbine Maple Ridge Wind Farm, and the $5,000
to $10,000-annual royalty offered for each of the turbines on their
land. Rural communities welcome wind farms because they provide income
to farmers and ranchers, skilled jobs, cheap electricity, and
additional tax revenue to upgrade schools and maintain roads.
The growing profitability of wind energy is attracting big-time
players. Four years ago, General Electric purchased Enron Wind, one of
Enron's few profitable segments, parlaying its advanced wind turbine
design into a leading position in the world wind turbine market.
In mid-2005, Goldman Sachs purchased Zilkha Renewable Energy, a small
wind farm development company. Now called Horizon Wind Energy, this
wholly-owned subsidiary of Goldman Sachs has under construction or in
the planning stages 4,000 megawatts of wind-generated electricity,
enough to supply electricity to 1.2 million homes.
AES, a leading international player in electricity generation, has
used its purchase of SeaWest, another wind developer, to establish a
strong position in the U.S. wind sector. It now has under development
1,800 megawatts of wind-generating capacity. Shell, one of the leading
bidders for offshore wind rights in the United Kingdom, owns 315
megawatts of wind-generating capacity in the United States and is
planning more. BP is mapping out areas in the United States where it
could build some 2,000 megawatts of wind-generating capacity.
Overall, U.S. wind-generating capacity expanded by 36 percent in 2005,
reaching 9,149 megawatts. This year it could expand by 50 percent. At
the end of 2005, there were commercial wind farms in 30 states. (Data
at www.earthpolicy.org/Updates/2006/Update52_data.htm.)
Wind power generation would grow even faster if it were not
constrained by the availability of turbines. General Electric, now
supplying 60 percent of the U.S. wind turbine market, is sold out
through 2007. Clipper Windpower, a startup turbine manufacturer, is
planning to produce 20 of its 2.5-megawatt Liberty turbines per month
by mid 2006 and a total of 250 turbines in 2007. Its production is
also committed well into the future.
After years of industry uncertainty, when Congress allowed the wind
production tax credit (PTC) to lapse several times, the 2005 PTC
extension through 2007 has given investors renewed confidence in the
future of wind power. The extension of the PTC, which is designed to
offset subsidies to fossil fuels and nuclear power, is leading to
record growth in the number of new wind farms planned.
Wind energy is emerging as a centerpiece of the new energy economy,
because it is abundant, inexpensive, inexhaustible, widely
distributed, clean, and climate-benign. Three of the 50 states - North
Dakota, Kansas, and Texas - have enough harnessable wind energy to
satisfy national electricity needs. The cost of wind-generated
electricity has fallen from 38¢ per kilowatt-hour in the early 1980s
to 4¢ to 6¢ today, offering an almost endless supply of cheap energy.
Beyond that, these wells will never go dry. No one can cut off the
supply or raise the fuel cost. And wind can supply our energy needs
without disrupting the earth's climate.
Contact Info:
Janet Larsen, Director of Research
Earth Policy Institute
Tel : (202) 496-9290 x 14
E-mail: jlarsen@earthpolicy.org
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 6:06 pm
From: "ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com"
habshi wrote:
> through 2007. Clipper Windpower, a startup turbine manufacturer, is
> planning to produce 20 of its 2.5-megawatt Liberty turbines
Standing up to 130 m high! (hub height + 1/2 of diameter)
http://www.clipperwind.com/techspecs.php
> per month by mid 2006
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TOPIC: Afghan Clerics Demand Convert Be Killed
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b9fd448c30224917
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 6:01 pm
From: nkdatta2465@bigmailbox.net
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/25/international/asia/25convert.html?hp&ex=1143262800&en=02a6479850be8c5d&ei=5094&partner=homepage
NY Times
March 25, 2006
Preachers in Kabul Urge Execution of Convert to Christianity
By ABDUL WAHEED WAFA
KABUL, Afghanistan, March 24 - Preachers used Friday Prayer services
to call for the execution of an Afghan Muslim who converted to
Christianity, despite growing protests in the West. The conversion of
the man, Abdul Rahman, 15 years ago was brought to the attention of the
authorities as part of a child custody dispute.
The Bush administration and European governments have strongly
protested the case as a violation of religious freedom. But Mr. Rahman
has drawn a strong reaction in Afghanistan, too, and for many hardline
clerics, there is no greater offense than apostasy.
One speaker, Maulavi Habibullah, told more than a thousand clerics and
young people gathered in Kabul: "Afghanistan does not have any
obligation under international laws. The prophet says, when somebody
changes religion, he must be killed."
He and others demanded that the country's political leaders and judges
resist international pressure.
Germany's chancellor, Angela Merkel, told reporters on Friday that she
had been assured by President Hamid Karzai in a telephone call that Mr.
Rahman would not be executed, The Associated Press reported.
A senior government official said Mr. Rahman, 41, would be released
from jail soon, Agence-France Presse reported. The agency did not name
the official, who added that there would be a top-level meeting on the
case on Saturday.
The dispute has exposed the contradictions within Afghanistan's
Constitution, which promises freedom of religion on the one hand, and
on the other declares Islam supreme.
Sheik Asif Muhsini, a Shiite cleric, emphasized that the Constitution
says, "No law can contradict Islam and the values of the Constitution."
The case has fueled feelings here of an assault against Islam, coming
after reports of the possible desecration of the Koran in Guantánamo
Bay, Cuba, in 2004 by American soldiers and, more recently, cartoons
published in Europe that mocked the Prophet Muhammad.
visualseeplus@yahoo.com wrote:
> Your tax dollars could be paying for the rope that hangs this guy.
> Remember that everytime Bush decides to hand over a welfare check to
> Pakistan & afghanistan for 'the war on terror'.
>
> -------------------
>
> Afghan Clerics Demand Convert Be Killed
> By DANIEL COONEY, Associated Press Writer
> Thu Mar 23, 3:17 PM ET
>
> KABUL, Afghanistan - Senior Muslim clerics demanded Thursday that an
> Afghan man on trial for converting from Islam to Christianity be
> executed, warning that if the government caves in to Western pressure
> and frees him, they will incite people to "pull him into pieces."
>
> In an unusual move, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice telephoned
> President Hamid Karzai on Thursday seeking a "favorable resolution" of
> the case of Abdul Rahman. The 41-year-old former medical aid worker
> faces the death penalty under Afghanistan's Islamic laws for becoming
> a Christian.
>
> His trial has fired passions in this conservative Muslim nation and
> highlighted a conflict of values between Afghanistan and its Western
> backers.
>
> "Rejecting Islam is insulting God. We will not allow God to be
> humiliated. This man must die," said cleric Abdul Raoulf, who is
> considered a moderate and was jailed three times for opposing the
> Taliban before the hard-line regime was ousted in 2001.
>
> The trial, which began last week, has caused an international outcry.
> President Bush has said he is "deeply troubled" by the case and
> expects the country to "honor the universal principle of freedom."
>
> Rice spokesman Sean McCormack said she told Karzai it is important for
> the Afghan people to know that freedom of religion is observed in their
> country. But in deference to the country's sovereignty, Rice evidently
> did not demand specifically that the trial be halted and the defendant
> released.
>
> "This is clearly an Afghan decision," McCormack said. "They are a
> sovereign country."
>
> Still, Rice's direct appeal to a foreign leader in a judicial
> proceeding in their own country is an unusual move.
>
> German Chancellor Angela Merkel told reporters she had received
> assurances from Karzai in a telephone call that Rahman would not be
> sentenced to death.
>
> "I have the impression that he (Karzai) has a firm willingness" to
> abide by the human rights requirements, Merkel said going into pre-
> European Union summit talks. "I hope we will be able to resolve this."
>
> Diplomats have said the Afghan government is searching for a way to
> drop the case. On Wednesday, authorities said Rahman is suspected of
> being mentally ill and would undergo psychological examinations to see
> whether he is fit to stand trial.
>
> But three Sunni preachers and a Shiite one interviewed by The
> Associated Press in four of Kabul's most popular mosques said they do
> not believe Rahman is insane.
>
> "He is not crazy. He went in front of the media and confessed to being
> a Christian," said Hamidullah, chief cleric at Haji Yacob Mosque.
>
> "The government is scared of the international community. But the
> people will kill him if he is freed."
>
> Raoulf, who is a member of the country's main Islamic organization, the
> Afghan Ulama Council, agreed. "The government is playing games. The
> people will not be fooled."
>
> "Cut off his head!" he exclaimed, sitting in a courtyard outside Herati
> Mosque. "We will call on the people to pull him into pieces so there's
> nothing left."
>
> He said the only way for Rahman to survive would be for him to go into
> exile.
>
> But Said Mirhossain Nasri, the top cleric at Hossainia Mosque, one of
> the largest Shiite places of worship in Kabul, said Rahman must not be
> allowed to leave the country.
>
> "If he is allowed to live in the West, then others will claim to be
> Christian so they can too," he said. "We must set an example. ... He
> must be hanged."
>
> The clerics said they were angry with the United States and other
> countries for pushing for Rahman's freedom.
>
> "We are a small country and we welcome the help the outside world is
> giving us. But please don't interfere in this issue," Nasri said. "We
> are Muslims and these are our beliefs. This is much more important to
> us than all the aid the world has given us."
>
> Afghanistan's constitution is based on Shariah law, which is
> interpreted by many Muslims to require that any Muslim who rejects
> Islam be sentenced to death.
>
> Hamidullah warned that if the government frees Rahman, "there will be
> an uprising" like one against Soviet occupying forces in the 1980s.
>
> "The government will lose the support of the people," he said. "What
> sort of democracy would it be if the government ignored the will of all
> the people."
>
> Meanwhile, human rights group Amnesty International said if Rahman has
> been detained solely for his religious beliefs, he would be a "prisoner
> of conscience."
>
> "The charges against him should be dropped and if necessary he should
> be protected against any abuses within the community," the London-based
> group said in a statement.
>
> Rahman is believed to have lived in Germany for nine years after
> converting to Christianity while working as a medical aid worker for an
> international Christian group helping Afghan refugees in Pakistan. He
> returned to Kabul in 2002.
>
> It was not immediately clear when Rahman's trial will resume.
> Authorities have barred attempts by the AP to see him and he is not
> believed to have a lawyer.
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TOPIC: Fraud FAKE Frank Arthur
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/16024d1c1a2f3de8
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 7:03 pm
From: Joseph
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:25:19 -0500, "Frank Arthur" <Art@Arthurian.com>
wrote:
>I am Frank Arthur.
>The way you can tell the fraud who used the list of fake names like Dave
>Jolly,Ariadne,princeandy etc.
>
>The real Frank Arthur does not post hatred, only decent reasonable posts.
>
***Such as.... "There is no God."
Psalms 14:1 & Psalms 53:1...
"Only the FOOL has said in his heart that there is no God."
Proverbs 14:15...
"The way of a FOOL is right in his own eyes."
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TOPIC: Wealth Creates Poverty
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d4aeaf6ab8e9bedc
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 2:04 am
From: "J Clark"
We need this man again.
http://images.cafepress.com/product/24066606
--
Jay ClarK
Far To The LEFT.com
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TOPIC: The Digital Boy and Girl Scouts
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/da4a099476d3e862
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 6:07 pm
From: "Fred Goodwin, CMA"
The Digital Boy and Girl Scouts
http://www.alwayson-network.com/comments.php?id=14427_0_14_0_C
What does it mean to "be prepared" in today's age of pervasive
technology? Pip Coburn wonders if today's kids will be playing Ender's
Game tomorrow.
Pip Coburn [Coburn Ventures] | POSTED: 03.23.06 @08:00
Last Friday morning I was a guest at the hip and Zen-like Clay gym near
Union Square in Manhattan for an 8:30 am yoga class with my instructor
Kristin. I came close to doing something really stupid, or at least,
something with a potentially traumatic result.
Let's see if I can explain it. I wanted to put my street clothes in a
locker, but the locker was this new-age combo lock thingamajiggy I had
no idea how to activate-wasn't intuitive, at least to me. So I
returned to the receptionist and thought I heard her say...
"Pick any locker, type in a combo and hit the 'key' symbol to open it
up, and when you close it use the same combo with the same 'key'
symbol." In fact, that might be what she said....
What happened is I picked a locker, typed in a combo plus the "key"
symbol and nothing happened. Wouldn't open. So I tried another locker.
Nothing. So I tried another locker. Nothing. And....
I guess Einstein said that doing the same thing over and over expecting
a different outcome is the definition of insanity, but I just figured I
was picking locked lockers and needed to keep picking a new one-until
eventually someone said "Hey, I think you are locking all the
lockers...."
Seems I was supposed to find an open locker, put my stuff in, and then
close it. There was no need to type in a code prior to trying to open
it.... What would have happened if the guy hadn't stopped me? Other
than my being proven insane somewhere along the line, they might have
had all their lockers set to my code with me back in midtown and gone
for the weekend. Well....
Way back whenever, my oldest brother Ted-12 years older than me-was
a Boy Scout of America, and my father Red was a troop leader, and my
sister Diane was a Girl Scout of America, and my mother Birdie was a
troop leader. All of these folks were seriously into this stuff.
Practicing making fires by rubbing sticks together and all....
By the time my older brother Drew-six years my senior-came along,
he narrowly escaped the Boy Scouts. And I never came close-perhaps to
the dismay, disillusionment and quiet suffering of my dad.
With three eight-year-olds of my own today-Bailey, Tucker, and
Eamon-I might just now be able to imagine my parents' desire for
their kids to "be prepared," and how the Scouts fit into the Cold War
period of the 1960s as much as Sean Connery did as 007. I can see how
starting fires-controlled fires-in the woods might be great fun for
kids and provide a "feel-good" sense for parents.
Today, "being prepared" and starting fires with sticks in the woods
don't seem to really go together. May still be fun and may still be
lots of learning to be had and lots of cookies to sell, but "being
prepared"? "Prepared" for what?
We might just need a new scout program: The Digital Scouts of the
Planet.
So last week I had the following problems:
· I nearly demolished the entire lock system at the Clay gym
· I nearly accidentally erased this entire piece before sending it to
my editor Nina
· My XM satellite radio went on the fritz prior to our family journey
to Niagara Falls
· My iPod quit wanting to demonstrate its ability to play videos
· My BlackBerry went on the fritz-it was unwilling to transfer at
"EDGE" speed, which was my entire reason to upgrade to the new 8700....
So Julian Underwood at our IT provider Lighthouse said, "Take the
battery out of the BlackBerry for 60 seconds and then pop it back in.
Seems to help."
This is one little IT tip that seemingly every BlackBerry user knows,
is annoyed by for its kludginess, and yet thankful when it
works-which in this case it didn't. There are a gazillion of these
little tips that allow one person to sail thru modern life while
another sits listening to Barry Manilow's Can't Smile Without You with
a pile of dis-used electronics strewn about the various corners of
their life.
I got to thinking about how ill-prepared I really am for existing in
society today. I thought that I am not prepared for modern Digital
Life. Nor is my Eagle Scout brother Ted-the one who may or may not
still remember how to successfully start a fire. I suspect not.
"Be prepared" is still important, even if the "be prepared" offered by
the Boy Scouts isn't as immediately relevant as it once was.
Maybe we could use a new modern-age Digital Scouts of the Planet so
that I can use all the digital stuff I have crammed into my life
without help desks or manuals or yet another taunting remote control.
There might not be a Cold War anymore to prepare for, but there is
plenty to be prepared for in this Digital Age and most of us-even the
most techie among us-are confused.
I thought today of Ender's Game, the Sci-Fi classic by Orson Scott Card
that my friend John Granholm turned me on to. In Ender's Game, a young
boy age eight or nine or something-named Ender-quickly comes into
command of the entire planet's armed forces. The elders recognize all
the advantages that young children have in their thinking to make them
the most effective generals.
The Digital Scouts will be 35-85 years old, while the teachers will
be the eight- or nine- or something-year-olds....
This is the Digital World and I am not a Native. I am in little
position to "prepare" my eight-year-olds, but rather they will soon
teach me-I hope.
I'm not sure yet how to effectively organize the Digital Scouts of the
Planet, and I am probably too old even for that task, but I do know
that if we want to be prepared, we gotta stop rubbing sticks together
and start thinking about fixing our BlackBerrys on the fly.
---
Pip Coburn studies change for a living. June 2006 will see Penguin's
publication of The Change Function-read the book to learn more about
why certain technologies are adopted while others crash and burn. His
company, Coburn Ventures, provides advisory services and puts its
knowledge about "change" to work in the realm of technology, telecom,
and media investing. At www.coburnventures.com, you may subscribe to
Pip's Waypoints thought piece, the successor to The Weekly Global
Tech Journey that Pip's group generated at UBS.
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TOPIC: Senate Passes Patriot Act By Huge Margin
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e24ebcf4d175184e
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 9:15 pm
From: "scoopdamedia"
COWARD, YOUR KIND ARE THE FIRST TO RUN!
"Barney Fife" <@onebullet.net> wrote in message
news:wY5Of.93$Ny6.3@fe03.lga...
> Alpha wrote:
>
> > your either with us or against us punk....LOL.....Nuke Israel and stay
> > out of middle eastern polotics and there will be no need to worry about
> > terrorist security anymore.
> >
> Oh!? Where did the hijackers come from? Was it Norway or Anartica or
> the Middle East??
> Like I said the reasoning behind the handling of the Terrorist problem,
> invading Iraq, is murky at best.
> BUT we are where we are at. It is a foolish propositon to turn tail and
run.
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TOPIC: Consumers are bracing for the new AT&T
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/289b35b54c526254
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 6:21 pm
From: Scott en Aztlán
On 24 Mar 2006 23:11:32 GMT, "Julia M." <spamme@now.com> wrote:
>For those of us who are affected by the new merger of AT&T and SBC, bleak
>future is ahead of us. AT&T bad service will be coming back to torture us.
>
>AT&T's shameful records on customer service will be a huge concern to
>customers who have been serviced by SBC. The devil is back.
It's still better than Verizon (formerly GTE).
--
Official Member of the Rebate Rage Club
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 2:33 am
From: larry
ameijers wrote:
> "Julia M." <spamme@now.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns979099DE98A12239432dfsdf@66.150.105.47...
>
>>For those of us who are affected by the new merger of AT&T and SBC, bleak
>>future is ahead of us. AT&T bad service will be coming back to torture us.
>>
>
> Read the press releases before you rant. Baby Bell SBC bought Ma Bell ATT,
> and took the name. The corporate culture will come from the SBC side. A pox
> on both their houses- if anyone else could string copper to my house here,
> I'd deal with them.
>
> aem sends...
>
"The NEW at&t powered by SBC"
-the at&t aka SBC Texas has rate increases scheduled for
May, it's only a little over 5%. ;-)
-larry / dallas
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TOPIC: Biblical Prophecy About India
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/bdb6c31e5c5c29c9
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 6:23 pm
From: "ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com"
Bholu wrote:
> This article from trumpet.com is totally biased. It says that Bible
> forecasts that India will align with China rather than the US. I do not
> believe that for a moment.
You don't believe that the Bible forecasts it? It doesn't. There are
other things it does forecast, though. It forecasts that once the
Gospel is preached everywhere in the world, the end of the world will
come:
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a
testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. - Matthew 24:14
> Anyone know what these religious nuts are up to.
Watching for other forecasted events. Another forecast:
the stars shall fall from heaven - Matthew 24:29
http://100prophecies.org/page9.htm
> SIDEBAR: Don't Forget India
> April 2006
> Bible prophecy shows the outcome: Asia will align both politically and
> militarily, and the U.S. will be shut out. In the end, the rising star
> of India will go the Asian route.
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TOPIC: A land the Pallies can call their own
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/25f5f3fa499c2124
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 2:26 am
From: "Mexican Bandolero"
I'ts summertime in the Antarctic!
Nice weather.
<dr.benway@ziplip.com> wrote in message
news:1143231306.083733.200060@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Antarctica!
>
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TOPIC: Israel May Be Next al-Qaida Battleground
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c8c9da1d258d18b0
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 9:37 pm
From: "Gary Renzetti"
Actually, they *are* terrorists. They just use Apaches to deliver their
bombs. They murder four times as many innocent civilians as the Palestinian
militants do. Unless you're talking about children under ten years of age of
course, in which case the ratio ups to 7:1 Palestinian kids as opposed to
dead izzie children. And you have the chutzpah to accuse the illegally
occupied victims of "terrorism"?
Why? Because your side has an air force and they don't?
If the (to use your words) "filthy child-murdering" land-thieving,
parasitic, izzies backed off from the land grab, and built their fucking
obscene wall on their own turf, and got the fuck out of the WB, perhaps we
could finally have peace in this troubled part of the world.
"Hairy" <harry@leavemealone.com> wrote in message
news:1143244722_3715@sp6iad.superfeed.net...
> Israel doesn't fuck about with terrorists.
> They go after them and their families.
> The only language that filthy child-murdering arabs understand.
>
>
> <NY.Transfer.News@blythe.org> wrote in message
> news:1143216369.754703935.4705641589@blythe.org...
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> Israel May Be Next al-Qaida Battleground
>>
>> Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit
>>
>> [According to Israel, that is... It might even be true. But they're
>> apparently setting the stage for more US assistance in their war on the
>> Palestinians.-NYTr]
>>
>> AP via Yahoo - Mar 22, 2006
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060322/ap_on_re_mi_ea/palestinians_al_qaida
>>
>>
>> Israel May Be Next al-Qaida Battleground
>>
>> By STEVEN GUTKIN
>> Associated Press Writer
>>
>> JERUSALEM - Signs are mounting that al-Qaida terrorists are setting their
>> sights on Israel and the Palestinian territories as their next jihad
>> battleground.
>>
>> Israel has indicted two West Bank militants for al-Qaida membership,
>> Egypt
>> arrested operatives trying to cross into Israel and a Palestinian
>> security
>> official has acknowledged al-Qaida is "organizing cells and gathering
>> supporters."
>>
>> Al-Qaida's inroads are still preliminary, but officials fear a doomsday
>> scenario if it takes root.
>>
>> Palestinians in the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and Lebanon have
>> established
>> contacts with al-Qaida followers linked to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the
>> leader
>> of al-Qaida in Iraq, according to two Israeli officials.
>>
>> Al-Zarqawi has established footholds in the countries neighboring
>> Israel --
>> Syria, Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan -- and is interested in bringing his
>> fight
>> to Israel, too, the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity
>> because Israel does not want to identify those involved in the issue.
>>
>> Tuesday's indictment of two militants on charges of belonging to al-Qaida
>> and receiving funds from the group for a planned double-bombing in
>> Jerusalem
>> was Israel's most concrete allegation to date linking al-Qaida to West
>> Bank
>> Palestinians.
>>
>> The indictment described in detail how the two, Azzam Abu Aladas and
>> Balal
>> Hafnai, met with al-Qaida operatives in Jordan, arranged for secret
>> e-mail
>> exchanges and received thousands of dollars from al-Qaida to carry out
>> the
>> attack. The indictment came just three weeks after Palestinian President
>> Mahmoud Abbas told the London-based Al Hayat newspaper that al-Qaida had
>> infiltrated the West Bank and Gaza.
>>
>> Still, Mideast watchers warned against overstating the al-Qaida presence
>> because the issue is easily manipulated for political ends.
>>
>> Israel has a lot to gain by portraying its local conflict with the
>> Palestinians as part of the global war on terror, and Abbas, badly
>> damaged
>> by the recent political rise of Hamas militants, wants "to show that he
>> is
>> needed by the West," said Israeli security analyst Dan Schueftan.
>>
>> Both Israeli and Palestinian security officials described al-Qaida's
>> activities here as incipient, involving a handful of local militants who
>> reached out to al-Qaida -- often via the Internet -- rather than the
>> other
>> way around. A senior Israeli military intelligence official said he
>> believed
>> there were no more than 20 al-Qaida-linked activists in the Palestinian
>> territories.
>>
>> Most of them are unhappy with a year-old decision by mainstream
>> Palestinian
>> factions, including Fatah and Hamas, to enforce a cease-fire with Israel,
>> Israeli and Palestinian officials said.
>>
>> Hamas, struggling to avert an international aid boycott in the wake of
>> its
>> Jan. 25 victory in parliamentary elections, is particularly sensitive
>> about
>> being associated with al-Qaida, despite sharing core beliefs such as the
>> rejection of a Jewish state in the Middle East.
>>
>> When Ayman-al-Zawahri, al-Qaida's No. 2 leader, appeared in a video
>> earlier
>> this month urging Hamas not to renounce its violent struggle, a Hamas
>> official in Gaza shrugged him off.
>>
>> The Hamas official said the group had no links to any outside group. He
>> spoke on condition of anonymity, saying the movement did not want to
>> respond
>> formally to al-Zawahri.
>>
>> By all accounts, Hamas, set to form the next Palestinian government, is
>> not
>> likely to further harm its international standing by joining forces with
>> al-Qaida.
>>
>> But al-Qaida itself is making an effort "to operate both in the
>> Palestinian
>> territories and inside Israel proper," said Israeli Foreign Ministry
>> spokesman Mark Regev. A Palestinian security official in Gaza agreed that
>> al-Qaida "is in the process of organizing cells and gathering
>> supporters."
>>
>> If the group succeeds in establishing a full-blown presence, predicted
>> the
>> Israeli military intelligence official, Israel can expect far larger
>> terror
>> attacks than it has seen in the past.
>>
>> Another Israeli official said a major concern is al-Qaida's activities in
>> Israel's neighbors, especially Jordan, where al-Zarqawi claimed
>> responsibility for the November 2005 bombings of three hotels that killed
>> 60
>> people.
>>
>> Al-Zarqawi also claimed responsibility for a Dec. 27 barrage of rockets
>> from
>> Lebanon into northern Israel, provoking Israeli airstrikes on a
>> Palestinian
>> base in central Lebanon.
>>
>> The Israeli official praised Egyptian security forces for their
>> performance
>> following two bombing sprees in Egypt's Sinai peninsula -- one in October
>> 2004 and another in July 2005 -- that some have blamed on al-Qaida.
>>
>> He said Egyptian forces arrested two sets of suspected al-Qaida
>> operatives
>> - -- one a month ago and another three months ago -- who were trying to
>> enter
>> Israel through Sinai "most probably carrying explosives."
>>
>> An Egyptian police official at the Egypt-Gaza border would not confirm or
>> deny the Israeli's account, saying, "It's our job to halt any security
>> violations, that's what we've been always doing, nothing less or more."
>>
>> Some Israeli officials have expressed concern that al-Qaida operatives
>> from
>> Egypt may have entered Gaza after Israel withdrew from the coastal strip
>> last summer.
>>
>> But Assem Rashed, a former teacher at a Gaza university, said he doubts
>> al-Qaida could find many backers in Gaza.
>>
>> "People here are against the attacks in Iraq, Jordan and Egypt. I don't
>> think they will survive, or find much support from the public," he said.
>>
>> [Associated Press correspondent Ibrahim Barzak contributed to this report
>> from Gaza City.]
>>
>> Copyright © 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
>>
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TOPIC: gun owners and nra proven wrong - again
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/113cc170f0e4312a
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 6:41 pm
From: "editor@netpath.net"
Bill wrote (to somebody else):
>You were saying it's the guns, but now you're saying it's the
>demographics, which it is. Crime victims and perpetrators are mostly
>poor, aren't they.
It's RACE - not poverty. There are far too many poor people who
aren't black in America for "poverty" to account for federal statistics
showing that blacks commit murder at 8 times the rate whitey does and
die of murder at 5 times the rate whitey does.
No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com
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TOPIC: Justice at Last
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5dc969963a7c8f17
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 6:44 pm
From: Miriam Cohen
Ed wrote:
> <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:7FJUf.14048$vy.204@trnddc01...
>
>>On 23-Mar-2006, "Ed" <nesorde@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21745
>>>
>>>Now THIS sounds like the DoD we all know.
>>
>>I have to admit, it took me a few posts to get the joke.
>>
>>Susan
>
>
> I didn't know if it was a joke or some kind of failed experiment.
I'm just glad it's over. :)
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