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Friday, March 31, 2006

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Today's topics:

* India's first computer is 'lost' - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ecea3a27a059e5d4
* !Re: John Melendez (Yet Another JEW) - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/be50d9a47a4c24fd
* International Stuff - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5d1b6b36a66fef20
* IRAN PLANS 'WAR GAMES' IN THE PERSIAN GULF........ - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/42726506b667902e
* Thousands of Palestinians mark "Land Day" - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/debe5c03e3e67795
* A just peace or no peace - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9e23c9b21eecda7f
* Illegals: How to Destroy America - Fmr Colorado Gov. Dick Lamm - Important
Reading. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5cd2f18747cd9e9f
* sewing machinery - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e643d44a59b979f9
* Zahar: US adopts criminal policies against peoples of the Middle East - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9c8a0cca8a058228
* KHAZARS AND KARAIMS ARE NOT SEMITES BY ANY STRETCH OF IMAGINATION - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/62f1b2b9c74c9860
* Condoleezza Rice gets Cold shoulder in U. K. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b3add1401e8ffb71
* Global Warming Now Irreversible. Capitalist Way of Life Responsible - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2660b5dca799b991
* A WARNING TO SPAMMERS FROM GREECE - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/4e4eaaed4743a16e
* Is Singapore more communist than any communist country? - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/aafe1966e002099a
* HOW TO REPORT ABUSE ON THE NET - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a6101ecc3228e05e
* CHRISTIAN PRIEST RAPES 29-YR-OLD WOMAN, ARRESTED - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/963574ebe0287203
* THE PROTOCOLS ARE FACTUAL - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2a9ca0f3e623cf6b
* Study: You're Wasting Your Time Praying! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e9f4d8dfa08ede4e
* 500,000 immigration advocates march in Los Angelos - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a7922568c71505bc
* DESERTER SPEAKS OF U.S. ATROCITIES IN IRAQ - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/dd0400e37e5d2d45
* Reducing the Risk of Premarital Adolescent Sex - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/7952a648155acc56
* Can somebody point me to a place where I can get the daily stats for Muslims
killing Muslims...I want to have a good laugh. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f883011300b29f1c

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TOPIC: India's first computer is 'lost'
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ecea3a27a059e5d4
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:02 pm
From: "jameswatt"

how can it be possible to lost indian first computer...
now a days computer are selling at very low prices
the Charles Babbage was the inventor of the computer he was suach a
master minded person
don't you think so... catch your favourite person Charles Babbage at
http://worldofbiography.com/9090-Charles%20Babbage

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TOPIC: !Re: John Melendez (Yet Another JEW)
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/be50d9a47a4c24fd
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 1 2006 12:04 am
From: Rabbi.Hooknose.Stern@Dot.Com.Debacle.biz

"Locutus" <Locutus@Locutus.com> wrote in news:122r8fnmv92tbb6
@corp.supernews.com:

> "Harold" <jhines1931@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
> news:1143774989.682823.229300@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>> John Melendez is doing a good job on the Jay Leno Show.
>
> All he ever just is wave to the camera during the introductions.. I don't
> understand why he is there.

To undeservedly collect several million per year. ;-)

Of course, part of that has to be contributed to the tribal JEW fund,
which the JEW elders use for WDC lobbying, to suck down billions from
U.S. Gentile tax funds, used for their own sinister purposes, such as
training JEW children to be snipers in Israeli sniper schools, bribing
stupid, greedy politicos, or plotting and implementing their next big
profiteering plan, such as the Clintonista DOT.COM debacle, created almost
exclusively by JEW "venture capital" firms, entirely ignoring volatility
and predictably certain failure.

Melendez is as much a JEW as old Hooknose Howie.

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"The best JEW$ are not even religious," said Howie [Hooknose] Stern.
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TOPIC: International Stuff
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5d1b6b36a66fef20
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:05 pm
From: "Frank Kalder"

marika wrote:
> Frank Kalder wrote:
> >
>
>
> > No other cute and well-fitting jobs within or around DC?
>
> not even not cute jobs. I have applied for a number of them but i
> haven't been fortunate. so i have given up.
> i am only up here for a special deal anyway.
> that won't get extended.
> except at terms that are less than desirable.
> i am also tired i think.
> i am located in an office (now) that is not on a metro line. i walk to
> work about a mile, but i am nowhere near a metro line
>
> so my night life is terrible because it takes a lot to plan logistics
> and costly with taxis.
>
Yes, I've got and I understand the weird complexity...
>
> i could be just as lonely back in roanoke but perhaps less so because i
> have a really good network of friends there that i have never been able
> to develop here because I am immobile because of my eyesight
>
> i really have given up, I am about ready to go back to the comfort of
> my house and my boring job
>
It'd be, perhaps, good for the soul (in a meditative aspect).

[Math]

> not just a division but a fraction like 1/2 or 1/4. what else could it
> have been meant/
> i've never seen / used to signify #
>

Examples (means all the same):

1) AAA
2) BBB

1/ AAA
2/ BBB

#1 AAA
#2 BBB

Subsequently, I may write the formula:

ZZZ (or X) = AAA + BBB

X = #1 + #2 [and so on]

> yeah I need an astro taxi to survive here in dc.
>

Yep, that's a trend - in some sort of movies :)

> > >
> >
> > In other words: ASTRAIL is the combination of the "alternative energy
> > using and automatically calculating" module ASTROHS with the
> > "special rail-transportation system for electric cars (and so on)"
> > module RAILTAXI. - www.astrail.de [engineering by Christoph Müller]
> >

Here's what I found to explain the terms (explicitly):

ASTHROHS:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/christoph_mueller_ibm/astrohse.htm

ASTRAIL:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/christoph_mueller_ibm/astraile.htm

[A.S. in LA]
>
> > http://groups.google.com/group/HAPLIF-BLOGGING_Deutsch/msg/7c95b1d95fca21eb
> >
>
> yeah if I was as pretty curvy and privileged as her i guess i would be
> as happy too, i guess people would cheer me too three thunderous times
>
But I've cheered you, nonetheless, more than thousand times already
:)

The expression "ein dreifach donnerndes Hurrah!" comes from the
German carnival, particularly in Cologne, and is sort of fun & irony,
though.
>
> "Then I hope it takes me too
> So brown eyes I hold you near
> Cause you're the only song I want to hear
> A melody softly soaring through my atmosphere'--soul meets body, deathy
> cab for cutie
>
SOUL MEETS BODY
PERHAPS IN ROANOKE

When (in April) do you have the 'award event' in Baltimore?

CU, Frank

--
www.haplif.de & www.haplif.de/61820.html [politics & economics]
http://groups.google.com/group/HAPLIF-GOVERNANCE [global vs. regional]
http://groups.google.com/group/HAPLIF-DESIGNER-FASHION [worldwide]
http://groups.google.com/group/HAPLIF-BLOGGING [international]

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TOPIC: IRAN PLANS 'WAR GAMES' IN THE PERSIAN GULF........
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/42726506b667902e
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 1 2006 12:50 am
From: "Nedabiah"

"John Lemke" <jflemke@locallink.net> wrote in message
news:qKednWUL4v20nbPZnZ2dnUVZ_vmdnZ2d@locallink.net...
>
> "Nedabiah" <Ned4u@newsserver.ca> wrote in message
> news:FxmXf.3403$u15.535927@news20.bellglobal.com...
>>
>> "John Lemke" <jflemke@locallink.net> wrote in message
>> news:p-6dnXX1SJilcbDZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@locallink.net...
>>>
>>> "Nedabiah" <Ned4u@newsserver.ca> wrote in message
>>> news:FfjXf.3307$u15.513734@news20.bellglobal.com...
>>>>
>>>> "John Lemke" <jflemke@locallink.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:OYednay71rlaKLDZnZ2dnUVZ_vWdnZ2d@locallink.net...
>>>>
>>>>>>> "Nedabiah" <Ned4u@newsserver.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:ZDcXf.2934$u15.482877@news20.bellglobal.com...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "facilitator" <tlmurray@juno.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:1143782718.802339.39600@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>> God bless the Jews. Bring peace to Jerusalem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> God bless the Iranians. Give Jerusalem back to the Palestinians.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> God bless the Iranians. Kick American terrorists out of Irak. Stop
>>>>>>>> them from murdering innocent people.

> People are free to be stupid. And one can have fun pointing fingers at
> them. One can even learn things from stupid people.
>
> And look at all the fun people have at apn. We're happy Nosty was a bored
> pothead poet. He never could have predicted that so many people would be
> exposed to so many other different people and their ideas all over the
> world via electronic media Especially while "discussing" him.
>
> It's the same type of thing that'll bring some sophistication to the Arab
> world. Al Jazeera and all. Wouldn't you rather have democracy and
> discussion brought to Muslims by other Muslims than by European types in
> tanks? Exposure and discussion is good.
>
> Is there any prophecy in the Koran or any other Islamic literature?
Oh brother!

''Quran ( 9:11) -- For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a
fearsome eagle. The wrath of the eagle would be felt throughout the lands of
Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more
rejoiced; for the wrath of the eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there
was peace.''

That verse refers to September 11 and the son of Arabia is Bin Laden. The
eagle invaded Afghanistan and Irak and there is peace. The eagle feeds on
oil. The bald head of the eagle was caused by an undetected Iranian stealth
missile. I learned that from stupid people. LOL.

I'm now a prophet of Allah, thanks to you.
>

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TOPIC: Thousands of Palestinians mark "Land Day"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/debe5c03e3e67795
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 1 2006 12:53 am
From: "Islam Will Replace Collapsing Amerikan Empire"

Thousands of Palestinians mark "Land Day"
Mar 31, 2006, 00:43

Occupied Jerusalem - Thousands of Palestinians on both sids of the "Green
Line" (the former armistice line between the West Bank and 1948-Palestine
(Israel) on Thursday marked Land Day, which commemorates the killing by
Israeli police in 1976 of several Palestinians protesting the confiscation
of their land by Zionist authorities.

Rallies and commemorative activities took place in several Arab towns in
occupied Palestine, including Sakhnin, Nazareth and Rahat in the south. A
demonstration also took place in East Jerusalem where protesters shouted
slogans denouncing Jewish racism and land theft.

"No to the land thieves, no to the racist settlers," one placard read.
"Palestine is for the Palestinians" and "we will defend our land to the last
drop of our blood" read other signs.

In East al-Qods, Zionist police violently attacked peaceful protesters,
using batons, tear gas and stun grenades.

At least one protester was wounded and two others arrested, according to
local sources.

Land Day was also marked in the West Bank where the Israeli apartheid regime
is building a gigantic apartheid wall which Palestinians say is reducing
their population centers to virtual detention camps.

Israel is also truncating the West Bank into enclaves and townships which
are mostly cut off from each other.

http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/am/publish/article_17544.shtml

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TOPIC: A just peace or no peace
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9e23c9b21eecda7f
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 1 2006 12:55 am
From: "Islam Will Replace Collapsing Amerikan Empire"

A just peace or no peace

Do policymakers in Washington and Europe ever feel ashamed of their
scandalous double standards? Before and since the Palestinian elections in
January, they have continually insisted that Hamas comply with certain
demands. They want us to recognise Israel .But we have not heard a single
demand of the Israeli parties that took part in this week's elections,
though some advocate the complete removal of the Palestinians from their
lands.

[ Visit Website ]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1743652,00.html

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TOPIC: Illegals: How to Destroy America - Fmr Colorado Gov. Dick Lamm -
Important Reading.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5cd2f18747cd9e9f
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 1 2006 12:11 am
From: Just another American

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1606390/posts?q=1&&page=101

Many know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that
context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Recently there was an
immigration-overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to
capacity by many of American's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant
college professor named Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest
book, "Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and
illegal was destroying the entire state of California. He said it
would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The
American Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and
gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat
spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the
United States. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too
self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that
hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time.
Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and
that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit
suicide.'"

1. "Here is how they do it," Lamm said: "Turn America into a bilingual
or multi-lingual and bi-cultural country. History shows that no nation
can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more
competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual
to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual.

"The historical scholar Seymour Lipset put it this way: 'The histories
of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are
histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.' Canada, Belgium,
Malaysia, Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which
minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and
Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France
faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans."

2. Lamm went on: "Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants
to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that
all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I
would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout
rates are due to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every
other explanation is out of bounds.

3. "We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much
effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As
Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent
success of our own multi-ethnic and multicultural experiment might
have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the
dominance that once dictated ethnocentrically and what it meant to be
an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us
together.'"

4. Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own
language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with
the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have
various cultural subgroups living in America reinforcing their
differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

5. "Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the
least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated,
undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this
second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school."

6. "My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big
foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would
invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of
'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think their lack of
success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance
industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."

7. "My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual
citizenship and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity
over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities.
Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other -
that is, when they are not killing each other."

"A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical
precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation
together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they
belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and
literature; and they worshiped the same gods. All Greece took part in
the Olympic games. A common enemy Persia threatened their liberty. Yet
all these bonds were not strong enough to over come two factors: local
patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political
divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- >From many, one. In that
historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead
of the 'unum,' we can balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

8. "Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits ~ make it
taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would
find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped
discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe'
halt discussion and debate."

"Having made America a bilingual/bi-cultural country, having
established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the
doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce
our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because
immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would
make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative
impact of millions of them."

9. In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow.
Profound silence followed. Finally he said, "Lastly, I would censor
Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It
exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America deserves to
be destroyed, don't read that book."

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous
cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that
room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically,
quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Every
discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the
foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness.
Barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing
as we celebrate 'diversity.'

American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations
create a Third World in America - take note of California and other
states - to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is
reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three
slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is
peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."

Governor Lamm, walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the
conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy is
deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration
monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California
wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American
Dream.

--
"The elite class in America is becoming a ruling class and they've made
enough money by hiring cheap illegal labor that they think they also
have some kind of a right to cheap servants to manicure their nails
and their lawn, for example."

"So this ruling class, this new ruling class of America, is expanding
a servant class in America at the expense of the middle class of
America, the blue collar of America that used to be able to punch a
time clock, buy a modest house and raise their families. ... Those
young people are cut out of this process." Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa)

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/print?id=1787765

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TOPIC: sewing machinery
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e643d44a59b979f9
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:13 pm
From: "sewing machinery"

MODEL: TOROS - FS 200

STEAM PRESS FOR FINISHED KNITTED SWEATERS AND T-SHIRTS.
***PRODUCTION***
LONG SLEEVE SWEATERS: 720 PER 8 HOURS
SHORT SLEEVE T-SHIRT: 2800 PER 8 HOURS

FEATURES
AUTOMATIC AND MANUAL CYCLE
REAR VACUMM PLATE FOR GARMENT DRYING
SIGNAL LASER SPOTS ON FRAME
BUILT IN GARMENT STACKER UP TO 500MM. STACK
OPTIONAL RETRACTABLE BODY FRAMES
OPTIONAL RETRACTABLE NECK AND SHOULDER FRAMES
OPTIONAL RETRACTABLE SLEEVE FRAMES
OPTIONAL ELECTRIC HEATED PRESS

TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS:
WORKING AREA 2M. X 1M.
(NOTE: STEAM BOILER NOT INCLUDED)
STEAM CONSUMPTION: 20 KG/HOUR
STEAM PRESSURE: 5 BAR - KG./CM2
AIR CONSUMPTION:10 LT./MINUTE

MODEL: TOROS- PS 900

PRE-STEAMING MACHINE FOR KNITTED FULL FASHION FABRICS, OR PANELS.
***PRODUCTION***
300 TO 500 PIECES PER HOUR / 2400 T0 4000 PIECES PER 8 HOURS

FEATURES:
ALL GAUGES - 1,5 TO 16 GG WITH PRESSURE CONTROL ADJUSTMENT ON FABRIC
NO STEAM ON ELASTIC KNIT WITH PEDAL CONTROL
ALL TYPES OF YARNS FROM ACRYLIC TO MERINO ETC...
TEMPERATURE CONTROL: 0 - 200 DEGREES C.
ELECTRONIC BELT SPEED CONTROL
UNCURLING ROLLER SPEED AND DIRECTION CONTROL
STEAM QUANTITY CONTROL WITH 2 SEPERATE VALVES
BUILT IN GARMENT STACKER UP TO 500 MM. STACK HEIGHT
OPTIONAL UNCURLING ROLLER FOR V NECK FULL FASHION FABRICS

TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS
WORKING AREA 900 MM.
(NOTE: STEAM BOILER NOT INCLUDED)
STEAM CONSUMPTION: 30 TO 40 KG. PER HOUR
STEAM PRESSURE: 5 BAR. (KG./CM2)

DUBIED HAND DRIVEN FLAT KNITTING MACHINE

Has been manufactured by using high technology CNC machinery and high
quality materials

Dimensions
Gauge (g g): 2.5, 3, 3.5, 4, 4.5, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10 12, 14
Machine Lenght: 205 cm ( 81" )
Machine Width: 65 cm ( 26" )
Machine Height: 217 cm ( 86" )

Technical Specifications:

-The origin of DUBIED Hand Driven Flat Knitting Machine is Switzerland
and manufactured by KMS Kuba. Under Bubied license.
-system there are 4 tuck cams, 2 of them in front and 2 of them in rear
-Needle bed plates have been manufactured using a special steel that
strongly resists corrosion
-As an option in order to make automatic knitting, a motor system can
be added
-Has 4 adjustment cams, each cam can be adjusted in 3 levels
-Has jaquards capability
-Uses 2 yarn carriers
-Max. Knitting width is 120 cm
-( Machine with motor) Can adjust number of knitting rows automatically
-( Machine with motor) Knitting spaces can be adjusted with electronic
sensors
-( Machine with motor) Can control speed, therein can be worked at
different speeds
-( Machine with motor) Has light warning system
-In case of yarn cut or break automatically machine stops
-In order to make machine head move fast and easy this has been made of
aluminium alloy, that is light, resistant and durable
-Haase Kuhn German needles are used in the DUBIED Machine
-Stand and carrier body has been made of durable strong steel materials
thus a good performance is achieved with the machine firmly positioned
on the ground.

KMS 1415 LINKING MACHINE

-Can be used in all kinds of knittings
-Can make the most diffucult stitches with its double speed motor
microswitch system easier
-Ideal for V neck. round neck, polo neck, jacket and other kinds of
knitwear linking.
-Has single and double crab attachments. Makes Sewings perfect in this
respect
-With its inner needle system supplies working facility
-We have machines available in the following gauges:
5,6,7,8,10,12,14,16
-Each Unit manufactured with electronic precision with most up to date
Hi-tech CNC machines in our production plant and are long lasting, with
durability and quality assured.
-Maximum efficiency and an outstanding cost-to-performance ratio and
operating convenience.

KMS 1415 LINKING MACHINE

KMS 1421 LINKING MACHINE WITH OVERLOCK

-The part of the knittwear to be overlocked is first joined by means of
double needle system
-Any excesses which remains after the linking process is seperated by a
cutting system and absorbed by means of vacuum.
-Following the cutting out operation, overlock stitching is performed
accurately

STITCHING ADVANTAGES
-Simultaneous completion of the loper and overlock stitches in
shoulder, sleeve and lateral seams
-Precise stitching in linking the the hems and ribs.

TECHNICAL CHARASTERISTICS
-Double stitch, single chain
-Overlock precision
-Adjustable cutter system
-Regular linking with conveniant thickness
-Maximum efficiency and an outstanding cost-to-performance ratio and
operating convenience.

KMS 1425 BASTING MACHINE

-A specific Machine for sleeve joining and hem seams
-Rapid shifting to figure and stitching, high efficiency
-Versatality for many kinds of natural and synthetic yarns
-Elastic stitching feature
-Adjustable stitch lenght
-Max. 1.400 stitches per minute
-Maximum efficiency and an outstanding cost-to-performance ratio and
operating convenience

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KMS M-1
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KMS D-1
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KMS S4 UNRAVELLING MACHINE

KMS S-6 Unravelling Machine 6 Head
KMS S-4 Unravelling Machine 4 Head
KMS S-2 Unravelling Machine 2 Head

- In Knitting factories, workshops, unravels threads of wrongly knitted
products and winds threads again to an empty cone.Therein, mistakes
corrected and losses eliminated.
- By making a simple change in belt system, can be used as "Bobbin
Winding Machine"
- Number of heads and geometrical shapes can be arranged according to
needs and requirements of customer.

KMS 1435
FULL AUTOMATIC STEAM IRONING TABLE FOR TRICOT ( WITH BOILER )

- PROVIDES SUCCESSFUL IRONING FOR ALL KINDS OF KNITTED PRODUCTS

TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS:
- THE IRONING RESERVOIR IS MADE OF 5 mm. SHIP SHEET-IRON
- VACUMM SYSTEM FOR COOLING
- STEAM HEATED PLATE PREVENTS WATER CONDENSATION ON FABRICS

SAFETY: 4 SAFETY PRESSURE ALERT
STEAM PRESSURE: 3-4 ATU
PUMP: 2.800 rpm - 0.75 KW
VOLTAGE: 380 V
IRONING SURFACE:90 X 190 cm
VACUUM MOTOR: 2.800 rpm - 0.75 KW
TOTAL POWER: 20 KW

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1. 1415 REMAYÖZ
2. 1420 TIGLI REMAYÖZ
3. 1421 OVERLOKLU REMAYÖZ
4. 1425 TEGEL ( TAM YAGLI )
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6. 1430 KALITE KONTROL
7. 1435 ÜTÜ MASASI ( BUHARLI TRIKO Kendinden Kazanli )
8. 1435 A MERKEZI SISTEM ÜTÜ MASASI
9. 1435 B MERKEZI SISTEM BUHAR KAZANI
10. MR100 KESIM MOTORU
11. KR09012 VOLANT
12. TABLASIZ BOBINVAR (Sert sarim iplik aktarma)
13. B1 5000 MT BOBINVAR (Sert sarim iplik aktarma)
14. D1 DUVAR TIPI BOBINVAR (Sert sarim iplik aktarma)
15. M1 MASA TIPI BOBINVAR (Sert sarim iplik aktarma)
16. A1 1 KAFALI BOBINVAR (Sert sarim iplik aktarma)
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23. S2 2 KAFALI SÖKÜNTÜ MAKINASI
24. S4 4 KAFALI SÖKÜNTÜ MAKINASI
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26. YSM02 2-LI BOYA ÖNCESI YUMUSAK SARIM
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:13 pm
From: "sewing machinery"

MODEL: TOROS - FS 200

STEAM PRESS FOR FINISHED KNITTED SWEATERS AND T-SHIRTS.
***PRODUCTION***
LONG SLEEVE SWEATERS: 720 PER 8 HOURS
SHORT SLEEVE T-SHIRT: 2800 PER 8 HOURS

TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS:
WORKING AREA 2M. X 1M.
(NOTE: STEAM BOILER NOT INCLUDED)
STEAM CONSUMPTION: 20 KG/HOUR
STEAM PRESSURE: 5 BAR - KG./CM2
AIR CONSUMPTION:10 LT./MINUTE

MODEL: TOROS- PS 900

PRE-STEAMING MACHINE FOR KNITTED FULL FASHION FABRICS, OR PANELS.
***PRODUCTION***
300 TO 500 PIECES PER HOUR / 2400 T0 4000 PIECES PER 8 HOURS

TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS
WORKING AREA 900 MM.
(NOTE: STEAM BOILER NOT INCLUDED)
STEAM CONSUMPTION: 30 TO 40 KG. PER HOUR
STEAM PRESSURE: 5 BAR. (KG./CM2)

DUBIED HAND DRIVEN FLAT KNITTING MACHINE

Has been manufactured by using high technology CNC machinery and high
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Dimensions
Gauge (g g): 2.5, 3, 3.5, 4, 4.5, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10 12, 14
Machine Lenght: 205 cm ( 81" )
Machine Width: 65 cm ( 26" )
Machine Height: 217 cm ( 86" )

Technical Specifications:

KMS 1415 LINKING MACHINE

KMS 1421 LINKING MACHINE WITH OVERLOCK

STITCHING ADVANTAGES
-Simultaneous completion of the loper and overlock stitches in
shoulder, sleeve and lateral seams
-Precise stitching in linking the the hems and ribs.

KMS 1425 BASTING MACHINE

KMS BOBBIN WINDING MACHINES

WE WILL BE HAPPY TO DESIGN MACHINES ACCORDING TO REQUIREMENTS AND
SPECIAL ORDERS OF OUR CUSTOMERS

KMS S4 UNRAVELLING MACHINE

KMS S-6 Unravelling Machine 6 Head
KMS S-4 Unravelling Machine 4 Head
KMS S-2 Unravelling Machine 2 Head

KMS 1435
FULL AUTOMATIC STEAM IRONING TABLE FOR TRICOT ( WITH BOILER )

- PROVIDES SUCCESSFUL IRONING FOR ALL KINDS OF KNITTED PRODUCTS

TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS:
- THE IRONING RESERVOIR IS MADE OF 5 mm. SHIP SHEET-IRON
- VACUMM SYSTEM FOR COOLING
- STEAM HEATED PLATE PREVENTS WATER CONDENSATION ON FABRICS

SAFETY: 4 SAFETY PRESSURE ALERT
STEAM PRESSURE: 3-4 ATU
PUMP: 2.800 rpm - 0.75 KW
VOLTAGE: 380 V
IRONING SURFACE:90 X 190 cm
VACUUM MOTOR: 2.800 rpm - 0.75 KW
TOTAL POWER: 20 KW

KMS KUBA MAKINA SAN TIC LTD STI

Sedat Kizginyürek
TEL: 0212.674.72.13
TEL: 0212.674.72.14
FAX: 0212.674.72.15
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www.kmskuba.com

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TOPIC: Zahar: US adopts criminal policies against peoples of the Middle East
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9c8a0cca8a058228
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 1 2006 12:58 am
From: "Islam Will Replace Collapsing Amerikan Empire"

Zahar: US adopts criminal policies against peoples of the Middle East
Mar 30, 2006, 19:12

Occupied Jerusalem - Palestinian Authority (PA) Foreign Minister Mahmoud
Zahar on Thursday lashed at the United States, accusing the Bush
Administration of tormenting the Palestinian people and adopting criminal
policies against the peoples of the Middle East.

Speaking to reporters in Gaza town shortly after formally assuming the
portfolio of Foreign Minister , Zahar said the US was "brazenly siding with
the oppressor against the oppressed and with the rapist against the rape
victim."

"This brazen embrace of Zionist aggression is widening the gap between
America and the peoples of the Middle East."

Zahar said the new Palestinian government wouldn't budge to American and
Zionist pressure to surrender to Israeli designs and occupation.

"America is committing big crimes against Arabs and Muslims in this part of
the world. American threats to boycott Hamas will have no effect on us.
America is our tormentor, we don't expect it to be merciful toward our
people."

He pointed out that the US was paying the Zionist state of Israel more than
3 billion US dollars to oppress the Palestinian people and steal their land
and build settlements for Jewish land thieves.

The US on Wednesday barred its diplomats from making contacts with members
of the Hamas government.

The US has been demanding that Hamas recognize the Israeli occupation even
without Israel recognizing a Palestinian state or accepting Palestinian
rights, including the right of Palestinian refugees to return to their
ancestral homeland.

Hamas said it would not recognize Israel as long as Israel refused to
recognize Palestine's right to exist as a sovereign state.

A recent study by the Harvard University concluded that American foreign
policy is dictated and determined to a large extent by powerful Jewish
groups in the US such as the American-Israeli Public Affairs Committee
(AIPAC).

http://www.palestine-info.co.uk/am/publish/article_17543.shtml

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TOPIC: KHAZARS AND KARAIMS ARE NOT SEMITES BY ANY STRETCH OF IMAGINATION
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/62f1b2b9c74c9860
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 1 2006 6:15 am
From: "Dr. Lippschitz"

Everyone in Europe knows where the jews and gypsies are from. It's only dumb
brainwashed poorly educated Americans who know nothing. An American thinks a
Mexican is "Spanish" lol A Sicilian is "Italian" lol A jew is a "Hebrew"
lol A Russian is a jew lol Most of them can't even find their home State on
a map and think WWII started because the US dropped a bomb on Hiroshima. lol
They think the Statue of Liberty was put there to welcome immigrants
hahaha And think that dumb poem tacked onto the base of the Statue and
written by a jew is the US immigration policy lol And these are the White
Americans. The Negro Americans are even dumber and think they're all
descended from nobility and Tutankhamen lol They believe that all people
were black until an evil mad black scientist created the bleached out White
man and that before the evil White man destroyed their great "culture" they
were flying around the pyramids in flying saucers lol

"serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:I8mXf.1180$68.1009@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
> Khazars and Karaims
>
> Khazars were a Turkish group of tribes and nations, who ruled an empire
> extending east and west of the Capian Sea, from the sixth or seventh to
> the tenth or eleventh centuries. They engaged in the eighth century in a
> bloody struggle with the last Umayyad khalif. Around 965 they were
> decisively defeated by Russian settlers. Their enmity to their Muslim and
> Christian neighbours caused their ruler, part of the nobility and
> apparently also of the people, to adopt Judaism around 740. The Karaite
> version has usually been that what they adopted was, in fact, Karaism. One
> of the main propagandists of this theory was A. Firkovich, which has given
> it so bad a name in academc circles that for a long time most scholars
> would not touch it. But in recent years some have come around to a more
> affirmative view. Some elements do exist which could indicate a linkage
> between Khazar and Karaite history:
>
> Karaism originated partly in Iran, near the borders of the Khazar empire
> at the time (or very soon after) part of the Khazars converted to Judaism.
> Some early contacts could have been established then.
>
> Petahia of Regensburg described around 1180 Jewish sectarians who do not
> lighten Sabbath candies, nor had heard of the Talmud in the "Land of
> Kedar", apparently north of the Caucasus. This sounds already like
> Karaites, or sinfilar sectarians.
>
> What strikes any student of Judaism regarding the description of the
> Karaites in the Crimea and (somewhat less so) in all of Eastern Europe, is
> how "unjewish" they are made to appear. They were mostly farmers,
> specializing in the growing of tobacco and cucumbers. They served as
> soldiers and officers in pre-Zionist times, when this was an unheard-of
> occupation for Jews. Their relations with their neighbours were mostly
> excellent. They intermarried with them and many of them even had the
> Turkish cast of face and the appearance of their neighbours. Their
> interest in commerce and matters of the spirit was minimal. They were a
> conservative lot, uninterested in innovation, be they political or
> religious. If they were not ethnic Jews, were they perhaps descendants of
> the Khazars?
>
> The Crimean Karaites did not speak any of the usual Jewish dialects, such
> as Jiddish or Ladino, but such Turkish dialects as Karaim, similar to
> those of their neighbours, which they later brought with them to Poland
> and Lithuania.
>
> Their ties to their neighbours in the Crimea were of the closest. They
> were regarded sometimes as part of the local aristocracy. The Nazi
> attitude to them in World War 11 stemmed, partly, from the wish of the
> Germans to utilize the local Tartars for their political and military
> purposes. By harming the Karaites they were afraid of losing the goodwill
> of the Tartars. The situation elsewhere in Europe was usually the very
> opposite: by their virulent antiseniitism the GerTnans usually gained the
> goodwill of the local populations.
>
> These points make out a strong case for a Khazar - Karaite linkage, but
> far from a complete one. There are still several arguments against it:
>
> A complete lack of interest in the Khazars in contemporary Karaite
> records. Z. Ankori has written (Byzantium, 79) "In neither of these
> records can an allusion to an allegedly Karaite persuasion of the Khazar
> people be dedected. Not even at the peak of messianic excitement was an
> attempt made to equate the expected Khazar saviors with the forces of
> Karaism. Such a situation would not only be inconceivable if there were
> any truth to the allegation of the Khazars' affiliation with the Karaite
> synagogue, but it actually stands in glaring contrast to the historic
> alliance of sectarianism and messianism in the early centuries of Jewish
> experience under Islam. Hence the relevant lesson which evolves from a
> survey of the early Karaite literature with reference to Khazaria is this:
> tenth and eleventh century Karaism in the East, and even more so in
> Byzantium, was completely unaware of any special Karaite affinity with
> Khazaria ... Against this background the derogatory remarks of some
> Karaite authors regarding the Khazars - remarks whose defamatory nature
> has no peer in Rabbanite literature - gain even more significance.
>
> So far no archeological remains have been found to support a Karaite
> Khazar linkage, but recent excavations have shown a wider Jewish diffusion
> among the Khazars than previously assumed.
>
> No final comparison has yet been made between the dialect of the Crimean
> Karaites and what is known of the language of the Khazars.
>
> The "unjewishness" of the Karaites of the Crimea and (to a lesser extent)
> of Eastern Europe, can be explained not only by ethnic linkage, but by
> their "ability to take on the colouring of the wider society. (It) was
> evident when they described themselves as Jews if they lived among Jews,
> as Turks when in Turkey, as Russians when in Russia and as Poles when in
> Poland" (E. Trevisan-Semi, Nazi and Vichy, 82).
>
> There remains thus a gray area, which is only slowly being penetrated by
> present-day research. Still, an anthropologist like E. Trevisan-Senii does
> not hesitate to regard the Karaites of Eastern Europe as of a different
> ethnic background from the Karaites of the Middle East, who are clearly of
> Jewish stock. Both sides were conscious enough of this gulf often not to
> intermarry.
>
> At present it seems that some sort of linkage between Khazars and Karaites
> has much to recommend it, but has not been proven.
>
> Bibliography: Petahia of Regensburg, Sibuv, Altona 1770, 2; T. Kowalski,
> Karaimsche Texte im Dialekt von Troki, Krakow 1929, XI,. D.M. Dunlop, The
> History of the Jewish Khazars, Princeton 1954 (with detailed
> bibliography); E. Trevisan-Semi, Ebrei Caraiti, 60; idem, Nazi and Vichy,
> 82; Peter B. Golden, Khazar Studies, Budapest 1980, 2 vols; N. Golb and 0.
> Pritsak, Khazarian Hebrew Documents of the Tenth Century, Ithaca-London,
> 1982; Vsevold L Vikhnovich, From the Jordan to the Dniepr, Jewish Studies,
> 31, 1991, 15-24; for support of the theory see also A. Zajaczkowsky,
> Karaism in Poland, Warsay 1961; and S. Szysztnan, Le Karaisme; for
> opposition see Z Ankori, Byzantium, 65-67, 79; and M. Balaban, On the
> History of the Karaites in Poland, Hatekufa XVI, 192213, 294-297.
>
> (The) Mandeglis (or Medgelis) Document
>
> This is an early manuscript which was allegedly discovered by Abraham
> Firkovich in the wall of the synagogue of Mandeglis (or Medgelis) in the
> Caucasus in 1840/1. The document, 58 x 15,5 cm, was published by the
> (proFirkovich) Orientalist D.A. Chwolson in 1863. It mentions a visit of
> the Kievan ambassador to the Crimean Khazar ruler, to consult him about
> which religion to adopt. A.Y. Harkavy claimed that it was a forgery, after
> it disappeared conveniently in 1876 from the St Petersburg library of
> which Harkavy himself was in charge. This event contributed to the bad
> name Firkovich and his publications got in academic circles. But,
> surprisingly, the Mandeglis document was recently rediscovered (by V.V.
> Lebedev) in the same St Petersburg library, from which it was supposed to
> have disappeared.
>
> New archeological discoveries have caused Vsevold L. Vikhnovich and others
> to assume that there is at least a nucleus of historical truth in the
> story told in it. This episode raises, however, some interesting questions
> regarding A.Y. Harkavy's reliability and trustworthiness.
>
> Tarhan
>
> This is the name of the upper social stratum, to which most of the
> Karaites of the Crimea belonged since medieval times. As such they often
> did not have to pay taxes, and had free access to the Khan's palace. This
> information is also from Karaite Encyclopedia of Nathan Schur.
>
>

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TOPIC: Condoleezza Rice gets Cold shoulder in U. K.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b3add1401e8ffb71
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:16 pm
From: "Atish"

No warm welcome for Rice in Britain
Protesters mark secretary of state's visit to foreign secretary's
hometown

The Associated Press
Updated: 10:56 a.m. ET March 31, 2006

BLACKBURN, England - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice conceded
Friday that the United States probably has made thousands of
"tactical errors" in Iraq and elsewhere, but said it will be judged
by its larger aims of peace and democracy in the Middle East.

The U.S. diplomat met loud anti-war protests in the streets and
skeptical questions about U.S. involvement in Iraq at a foreign policy
salon Friday, including one about whether Washington had learned from
its "mistakes over the past three years."

Rice replied that leaders would be "brain-dead" if they did not
absorb the lessons of their times.

"I know we've made tactical errors, thousands of them I'm
sure," Rice told an audience gathered by the British foreign policy
think tank Chatham House. "But when you look back in history, what
will be judged will be, did you make the right strategic decisions."

She said she remains firmly convinced that it was the right strategic
decision to remove Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq three years ago,
and that it required an invasion to do it.

Saddam "wasn't going anywhere without military intervention," she
said.

'The right to protest'
Demonstrators organized marches to call America's top diplomat a war
criminal and human rights abuser as she joined British Foreign
Secretary Jack Straw on a tour of his adopted northern England
working-class home.

Rice said she was not surprised by the depth of opposition in Britain,
President Bush's strongest ally in Iraq, to the war and other
American policies.

"I've seen it in every city I've visited in the United States,"
Rice said earlier Friday. "People have strong views."

"People have the right to protest, that's what democracy is all
about," Rice told reporters at a British aerospace plant. "I would
say to those who wish to protest, by all means."

Rice also said the United States was ready to send humanitarian
assistance to Iran following deadly earthquakes there on Friday, but
she made it clear there would be no accompanying U.S. diplomatic
overture to Tehran.

Straw, Rice's host for her two-day visit, said Britain would send a
condolence letter to the Tehran government.

The United States has no diplomatic relations with Iran.

At a high school visited by Rice and Straw, about 200 protesters stood
across the street with banners and signs, chanting "Condoleezza Rice,
Go Home!" One demonstrator held a yellow hand-lettered sign that read
"How Many Lives Per Gallon?"

Protestor: 'A council of war'
Rice toured a high school math class and visited Ewood Park, the home
stadium of Straw's favored soccer team, Blackburn Rovers.

About 50 of Pleckgate School's students "skived off" their
classes Friday to protest Rice's visit, said student Jabbar Khan, 16,
who shook Rice's hand as she entered.

The protests awaiting Rice on Friday were the reverse of the warm
reception she received last fall when Straw accompanied her on a
down-home tour of her native Alabama. Then, elderly white women lined
up to shake the hand of a black native daughter made good, football
fans cheered and the tantalizing possibility of a run for president -
something she discounts - surrounded Rice.

"It's one thing to say this is a cultural visit, but others see it
as a council of war," said Carmel Brown, an anti-war protester in
Liverpool.

Rice's planned visit to a mosque in Blackburn was canceled Thursday
after anti-war protesters planned to heckle her during prayer time, a
mosque leader said. A prominent poet and actress pulled out of planned
appearances at a Liverpool Philharmonic concert Rice was attending
Friday in protest of U.S. policies.

Meetings with Muslim leaders
Straw's Blackburn district has the country's third highest Muslim
population. Rice also is to meet Muslim leaders and the town's mayor,
Ugandan immigrant Yusuf Jan-Virmani, on Saturday.

Straw's visit to Alabama was intended to show a different side of
America to a visiting foreign leader and friend. Many people he met in
Alabama, and a few who introduced him at events, had never heard of the
British diplomat.

Rice is far better known, as the two days of protests planned over U.S.
policies in Iraq, Iran and the war on terrorism attest.

Opponents of the Iraq war set up a Web site, http://condiwatch.co.uk ,
that listed times and locations for marches and gatherings. Protesters
planned to distribute T-shirts that read, "Fab Four, Not War," in
reference to Liverpool's most famous export, The Beatles.

Bush = Miserable Failure
Condelloza Rice: Human Face of Foreign Policy Disaster

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TOPIC: Global Warming Now Irreversible. Capitalist Way of Life Responsible
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2660b5dca799b991
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:17 pm
From: "Stormy"

Turin wrote:
> Stormy wrote:
> > Turin wrote:
> > > Stormy wrote:
> > > > Turin wrote:
> > > > > "Short Little George" <george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com> retreated:
> > > > > > Turin wrote:
> > > > > > > "Irrelevant George" <george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Turin wrote:
> > > > > > > > > "Curious George" <george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Turin wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > "Cracker George" <george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > "Frank Arthur" <Art@Arthurian.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > > news:zDDWf.151$Q8.16@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "Turin" <TurinTurambar.1@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > > > news:1143667915.694378.100380@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to a century of large-scale oil consumption in the greedy West,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > we can all now look forward to winter tornados, marvelous new forms of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > skin cancer, a missing Amazon, and maybe a few hibernating dinosaurs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > waking up for lunch.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > While industrial Russia, China & India are also cosidered "the greedy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > West"?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, take a look at the global methane map:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.universetoday.com/am/uploads/2005-0318methane-full.jpg
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > As they say: A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing (in the
> > > > > > > > > > > hands of a redneck).
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, and while you are at it, take a look at the Chinese dust storm circling
> > > > > > > > > > > > the globe:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/natural_hazards_v2.php3?img_id=1622
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > hahaha .....whatever that's supposed to mean
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/06/0601_chinadust.html
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > dude. you should get a job as the oracle of delphi ...hahaha
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > No thanks. I prefer my job as a geologist.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Lmao, that's a good one, too.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Just don't quit that job as a troll...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Excuse me. I mistook you for a human being. My mistake.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Haha, I sure love slapping down these timid little "patriots".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When you finally graduate from kindergarten, let me know. I'll be sure to
> > > > > > send a congratulatory card.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hahaha ....poor little nobody troll, named George.
> > > > > I win another round.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > George is obviously another leading expert in knowing nothing Turin
> > > > LOL
> > >
> > >
> > > Hahaha, Hey Stormy, babe. What's up..?
> > >
> >
> > Hi Turin. I'm just preparing for summer now that spring is here. Just
> > got myself a new bikini yesterday which doesn't show too much I think
> > LOL
>
>
> Hey, that sounds cool, Storm. The nerds & geeks - like Dork J. &
> George-the-patriot-with-the-sore-ass - will be busy watching you on the
> Internet through some other hero's gutless little phone cam. Hahaha
>

Well lord knows they do it enough in my presence LOL!

>
> > > That's true. I've run across him and other little old punks like him,
> > > before.
> >
> > LOL I get hit on by those little guys at every stoplight. The smallest
> > ones are usually the boys with the neocon and America bumperstickers. I
> > have to be careful because it doesn't take much to hurt their fragile
> > egos.
>
>
> Yeah, I've had some run-ins with some of those little cowards myself.
> I remember the redneck who's face I gave his hamburger & coke. That's
> a great one, too, to do to yuppies who forget that they're geeks.
>
> Others usually get scared off by a mere middle finger.
>

LOL that must have been a sight to see Turin! BTW thanks for chasing
those trolls out of our group. Bullshit artists are so annoying.

>
> > > They never know anything but how to troll, via snipping and
> > > hurling their sickly peanuts. I think it must be what happens to the
> > > brain after years of those after-work beers.
> > >
> >
> > That's one opiate of the masses that Marx left out.
>
>
> Karl probably left out quite a few others that he could have named. He
> was more interested in naming religion because he knew how good the
> liberals were at playing that one against the honesty of the
> proletariat. Alcohol is just one more vice that the bourgeois sell to
> the proletariat in order to keep them controlled. Religion, however,
> is an idea, and - as such - is free.
>

That's why 'new liberals' like your stalker friend Tom think that
they're pulling a fast one on everybody when they support religion.
It's an old game Turin. The liberal needs a lever against the
capitalist or he winds up suffering the fate of the proletariat. So
after using the Marx ideologies as a shield against the tyrant he bails
out on the movement by faking some religious convictions!

> The only reason that drugs aren't legalized is because of the value of
> the concept of contra-band in instigating arbitrary searches and
> siezures and in destroying the eighth amendment. Actually, in turning
> it into a class privilege.
>

Kinda like Club Fed. Seems like the hubub about that died down after
mr. oxycontin steered the know nothing vote into blessing whatever a
republican did. Once they figured out that those were prisons for
republicans--gone--worse they stopped their complaining LOL

> Sheltered little punks like Phil Lewis, Ken Pigbarn, Boy George &
> Cretinism Manifesto, experiement with them however they like, with
> virtually no repercussion. The mafia pigs that work for local
> government have routinely looked the other way - except when federal
> crackdowns have forced their hands. Even then, there's plenty of
> discrimination.
>

How is Kennykakes? Lil Phil seems to know who the real alpha males like
you are an' only comes a callin if you call him out first but Kenny is
usually a sucker for punishment.

>
> However, thanks to the arising global government, that evil system is
> coming to an end along with nationalism. Fairness and justice will
> prevail, while nepotism gets shoved up it's own dishonest ass. That's
> going to be a day to say "glory be"........
>

I've never seen the problem with a one world government under the U.N.
The ones we have now obviously don't work. Did you know that Bush is
still trying to sell the u.s.'s assets to the arabs? He denied
knowledge of the port deal and now he's trying to sell Doncasters --our
military factories-- to the emirates. This is one lying administration
Turin.

>
> > > Bush almost has those little shit-balls in his clutches, too. Pretty
> > > soon, capitalism is going to heave it's last. All of their toys are
> > > going to be taken away. Workers' paradise is on the way, babe......
> > >
> >
> > Amen Turin. The giant leech is getting ready to fall off of the worker!
> > The scabs with the professional classes are going to find themselves
> > working the sewers LOL
>
>
> I hear that. I can't wait to see the first shock of realization on the
> faces of these little weasel & weasel-ettes straight out of their
> asshole 'burbs. They're gonna do their mock-professional little
> upspeak routines to the guys & girls who they were afraid of in
> highschool. Those dudes will borrow their clipboards for a moment to
> fill out their time-slips for the rest of the day.
>

LOLOL I can't wait!

> Scabs like old George will find their "patriot" routines out of style
> pretty quick. They'll go running for their old "little guy" schticks
> in a big hurry, but find the clubhouse taken over by the real little
> guys. Everyone will really enjoy seeing "terrorist" have it's full
> meaning applied for a change in the U.S., as comrades Castro & Stalin
> did for Cuba & the U.S.S.R. hahaha
>
>

Don't forget Sadam. What I really admire about him though is that he
refused to take u.s. dollars for his oil. If the dollar isn't backed by
middle east oil then it will collapse. They got rid of Sadam but other
countries are following suit an' it's all getting ready to fall apart.
I read that we're now going to stop publishing our M3 economic
indicator. It's that bad.

http://newropeans-magazine.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3666&Itemid=85

Stormy

>
>
>
> - - -
>
> This has been another "Che!" moment, with:
>
> Turin
>
>
> I have such sites to show you...
> ------------------------
>
> http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
> http://groups.google.com/group/Men_First
>
> ------------------------
>
> "He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth, or
> maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
> burn in hell forever and ever...."
>
> -----
>
>
> > Stormy
> >
> > >
> > > > Stormy
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > 1 Pissed-off Little George
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yeah, there's nothing like picking one up by the scruff of the neck,
> > > > > > > shaking him good and listening for each wet plop of shit fill his
> > > > > > > underwear, while he shies from your intense city-boy eyes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Meanwhile his little A-K sits at home, unused ...hahaha
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - - -
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The face of an angel, the charm of the devil
> > > > > > > ...the power of a god:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Turin
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have such sites to show you...
> > > > > > > ------------------------
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
> > > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/Men_First
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ------------------------
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth, or
> > > > > > > maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
> > > > > > > burn in hell forever and ever...."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > George
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Geologic George
> > > > > > > > > > College of Knowledge, U of Bullshit
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Curious George
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "It's absurd. How can I set free anyone who doesn't have the guts to
> > > > > > > > > > > stand up alone and declare his own freedom?"
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > ~ Jim Morrison
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > - - -
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Few can dispute him. Even fewer dare...
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Turin
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I have such sites to show you...
> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
> > > > > > > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/Men_First
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth, or
> > > > > > > > > > > maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
> > > > > > > > > > > burn in hell forever and ever...."
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > -----
> > > > > > > >

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TOPIC: A WARNING TO SPAMMERS FROM GREECE
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/4e4eaaed4743a16e
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 1 2006 9:20 am
From: Mhitsos

TrafalgarSquare wrote:
> A WARNING TO SPAMMERS FROM GREECE
> (Panta and others)

Says Sean J Ruttledge the biggest spamer and nazi troll of the news groups.
The troll who uses a different alias every day.
So nobody can killfile him.
>
> Panta, FYI. This is from the Service Agreement of your ISP/NewsServer:
> http://www.supernews.com/faq.html#23
> "

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TOPIC: Is Singapore more communist than any communist country?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/aafe1966e002099a
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:25 pm
From: SumSipSon

Everything from bedroom sex to families to daily living are dictated by the dictator PAP govt. Are
Singaporean so backboneless? When was the last time did you people held a referendum on any
government policies? Is Singapore more communist than any communist country?

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TOPIC: HOW TO REPORT ABUSE ON THE NET
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a6101ecc3228e05e
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 1 2006 9:28 am
From: Mhitsos

Panting Pink Panta wrote:

> Mhitsos wrote:
>
>>gogu wrote:
>>
>>>Mhitsos wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>TrafalgarSquare wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>HOW TO REPORT "ALI ASKER":
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Please file an online abuse report:
>>>>>For each posting that violates the laws (society or usenet) please file
>>>>>an online abuse report at this adress (you can also report anonymously):
>>>>>
>>>>> http://bbplus.ntlworld.com/NetReport/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>This guy named "Ali Asker" is flooding the newsgroups with
>>>>>his propaganda crap for the outlawed terror organisation p.k.k.
>>>>
>>>>They fight terror with terror.
>>>>The decent think to do would be to look the other way round while the
>>>>Turkish army is destroying Kurdish villages and life's.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>He says that he is a terrorist.
>>>>
>>>>Who want's to end torture.
>>>>Which means that he hates Turkish culture and custom.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>He supports, or is even a
>>>>>member of an outlowed terrorist organization.
>>>>
>>>>Instead of supporting the lawful mass murdering Turkish army.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>He posts manipulated news articles,
>>>>
>>>>Instead of posting truthful Turkish nazi propaganda.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>calls for war, spreads hate speech.
>>>>
>>>>Yeah, he wants to end torture the bastard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>He is in the UK.
>>>>>
>>>>>As can be seen he is blatantly violating national and international laws,
>>>>>but it seems this guy is somehow protected by a "high" british location.
>>>>
>>>>Mountains?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>He clearly misuses the Usenet for posting mass propaganda (he crossposts into 10+ groups).
>>>>
>>>>Then killfile him
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Please file your online abuse report at the above adress.
>>>>
>>>>He is abusing the rights of the Turkish government to abuse human rights.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>At least he is using the same alias every time so you can easily
>>>>killfile him.
>>>>Not so with you. You change your alias all the time and hide your IP
>>>>address most of the time too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>*LOLOL*
>>>
>>>Look who's talking
>>>
>>>Post your name and address, brave anonymous troll, or SHUT THE FACK UP
>>>bickering little MooMoo
>>
>>Look who is talking. The nazi troll who is using 100+ aliases and
>>different servers to post to the same news groups.
>
>
>
> I knew you wouldn't post your name and address you typically GUTLESS
> GREEK COWARD
>
> You know my name don't you ? Seanie Rutledge, and my addres 1 The
> Glades, Bromley

You got discovered because you started posting the private address of
posters from this group and sending death threats to them.
THEN I and one other poster did some work and found out who you really are.
Chicken shit? You were the one who did not keep the appointment when you
were supposed to meet the one Greek who lives in London.
And this on 2 occasions.
You ar an idiot who in order to avoid being killfiled changes his alias
every day
>
> Your turn.................
>
> Cluck Cluck Cluck Cluck !
>
> *LMFAOAY*
>

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TOPIC: CHRISTIAN PRIEST RAPES 29-YR-OLD WOMAN, ARRESTED
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/963574ebe0287203
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 1 2006 6:31 am
From: usenet@mantra.comn88 and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

SUNNYVALE POLICE ARREST PRIEST ON SUSPICION OF RAPE

CBS 5
Bay City News Wire
Friday, March 31, 2006

Sunnyvale (BCN) - Police arrested a priest Thursday on
suspicion of raping a 29-year-old Oregon woman in a
Sunnyvale motel room.

Police booked the Rev. Randy Benas in Santa Clara County
jail after questioning the priest Thursday.

According to the Sunnyvale Police Department, the 29-
year-old woman from Grants Pass, Oregon had been
corresponding with the priest for over a year.

The two met in a Sunnyvale motel room on the morning of
Tuesday, March 28, according to a police report.

Police contacted the woman after she was treated at
Valley Medical Center in San Jose for sexual assault.
Investigators later contacted the priest and made the
arrest, police reported.

Benas is a priest at the Sacred Heart Parish in Saratoga.

More at:
http://cbs5.com/localwire/localfsnews/bcn/2006/03/31/n/HeadlineNews/PRIEST-ARREST/resources_bcn_html

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TOPIC: THE PROTOCOLS ARE FACTUAL
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 1 2006 4:34 pm
From: "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com>

Norman Cohn. Not only did Cohn write Warrant For Genocide (Penguin,
Harmondsworth, 1970); he also wrote the Introduction to Herman Bernstein's
book The Truth About "The Protocols of Zion": A Complete Exposure (Ktav
Publishing House, New York 1971).

This is how Norman Cohn is described in Who's Who in World Jewry, Pitman
Publishing Co., New York 1972:

"COHN, Norman, Eng, author, educator; b. London Eng, Jan 12, 1915; s.August
and Daisy (Reimer); MA, Christ Church Sch, Oxford, 1939; DLitt Glasgow; m.
Vera Broido, Sep 3 1941; c, Nik. Professorial F, U of Sussex since 1963;
found dir, Cen for Research in Collective Psychopath, since 1963; prof, U
Durham, 1960-63; F, Cen for Advanced Study in Behavioral Scis, Stanford,
1966. Capt, Brit Army, 1939-46. Author: The Pursuit of the Millennium 1957,
rev ed 1970; Warrant for Genocide, 1970; trans: Goid Khan and Other Siberian
Legends; contbr to profsl jours. Mem Athenaeum. Recipient, Wolf-Anisfield
Prize for Race Relations, 1968 Hobbies: walking, travel. Home: 61 New End,
London NW3, Eng. Office: 3 Henrietta St, London WC2, Eng."

Only a Zionist of high rank would get such a writeup. Since Cohn is such a
loyal Zionist, he can hardly be a neutral, unbiased, observer. Indeed, the
title of his book Warrant For Genocide, is meant to make the Protocols
itself - the book - responsible for Auschwitz. What next - book burning?
Book-banning? The Suppression of deviant views? Is this the mark of
Intellect, of Reason? Or of Religion, of Propaganda? In Warrant For Genocide
Cohn skirts the main issue: the pages of the Protocols which deal with
finance, and seem to provide a manual on the operation of the Capitalist
System. This website finally gives me the chance to display the wealth of
evidence for my case.

Cohn, the expert on millenial cults, fails to notice that the movement he
himself belongs to - Zionism - is one of those millenial movements. And yet
David ben Gurion himself articulated the Zionist millenial goal, sourcing it
at the heart of Judaism, the Bible. Further, other writers featured on this
website, such as Rabbi Harry Waton, clearly present a similar millenial
vision. Jaff Schatz, author of The Generation: The Rise and Fall of the
Jewish Communists of Poland, attests to the pervasiveness of such views.

(b) J. L. Talmon, the Tsar and the Tsarina

Another leading Zionist intellectual, J. L. Talmon, who receives an equally
lavish writeup in the same issue of Who's Who in World Jewry, makes the
following statement in his book Israel Among the Nations:

"Three years later the Tsar and all his family were helpless prisoners
guarded by a Jew and a few Latvian assistants. 'There was grim although
probably quite accidental retribution' - says W. H. Chamberlain in his
monumental Russian Revolution - 'in the fact that the chief executioner of
Tsar Nicholas II and his family in the Ekaterinburg cellar was a Jew', Jacob
Yurovsky ... As if to heighten the symbolism of that dreadful end of one of
the most powerful Royal dynasties in history at the hands of an obscure Jew,
soldiers of the counter-revolutionary army seized Ekaterinburg a short time
after, and found in the murdered Tsarina's room a copy of the Protocols of
Zion ... " (pp. 69-70).

Talmon seems to be following Norman Cohn's book Warrant For Genocide. Cohn
wrote, "Some months before her murder at Yekaterinberg the deposed Empress
had received from a friend, Zinaida Sergeyevna Tolstaya, a copy of Nilus'
book containing the Protocols. ... the Empress took Nilus's book with her to
her last home ...A week after the murder of the imperial family ... the
remains of the Tsar, the Tsarina, and their children, dismembered and
incinerated, were discovered at the bottom of a disused mine-shaft ... ...
the examining magistrate found three books belonging to the Empress: the
first volume of War and Peace, the Bible in Russian, and The Great in the
Small by Nilus" (Warrant For Genocide, Penguin 1970, p. 126-7)

The Great in the Small was the Nilus edition of the Protocols.

If the Protocols were a forgery produced by the Tsar's own secret police,
why would the Tsarina have kept a personal copy even in her own room, one of
three books she took to her death? If it was a forgery, she would have had
no use for it.

The Protocols' promotion of monarchy & aristocracy is an argument in favour
of forgery. If it be a forgery, it would have been done by the Czar's agents
who penetrated Jewish revolutionary groups & knew their mindset.

Herman Bernstein wrote in The Truth About "The Protocols of Zion":

"{p. xxx} Tsar Nicholas himself was also deeply interested in the
"Protocols." In the course of my research, I discovered a copy

"{p. xxxi} of the 1906 Butmi edition of this anti-Jewish document in the
private library of the Tsar acquired several years ago by the Library of
Congress, Washington, D.C."

In 1934-5 the Protocols was put on trial at Berne in Switzerland, by
Zionists trying to suppress it.

Cohn says (following evidence presented by Vladimir Burtsev at the Berne
trial), that the Tsar was persuaded his by Minister For the Interior,
Stolypin, that the Protocols was a forgery (Warrant For Genocide, Penguin
1970, pp. 125-6).

In that case, why did the Tsar keep a copy of the Protocols? A copy of a
worthless document forged by his own secret police? Does this make sense?

Herman Bernstein makes much of Phillip Petrovich Stepanov's affidavit in
1927, that he had been given a copy of the Protocols in 1895 (op. cit., p.
xxx; a photocopy of Stepanov's hand-written statement in Russian is included
at the back of the book).

Yet Cohn argues that the Protocols cannot be dated earlier than 1897. He
writes,
"internal evidence suggests that in saying he received the Protocols in 1895
and published them in 1897 Stepanov was erring no more than is to be
expected after thirty years." (Warrant For Genocide, Penguin 1970, pp. 111).

The Protocols correctly anticipates certain phenomena, such as the draconian
nature of Bolshevism, and the various attempts at World Government, which
maintain the likelihood of it being genuine. If the Czar's regime wrote the
Protocols, how come Jews owned much of the media in Russia at the time the
revolution broke out?

A reader writes, "I am not prepared to believe that the Elders of Zion sat
down in 929BC and decided to carve up the world by sending the symbolic
snake of Judaism through its cities and all the other garbage about it. This
is not even conspiracy theory, it's mystical crap."

That's not what I believe about it. I believe it genuine, but that does not
mean the Protocols is right about everything. I don't know anyone who
interprets it that way.

Nor does it mean that "there's a Jew under every rock" (another example of
hyperbole). It does not mean that all of world history is carried out by
Jews, but it does mean that Jewish actions are often "written out" of the
historical record, setting others the task of "writing them back in".

(d) The Parallels with Joly

The existence of some parallel passages with Maurice Joly's book Dialogue
aux Enfers entre Montesquieu at Machiavel, published in 1864, does not
necessarily prove the Protocols of Zion a forgery.

i. If there is a worldwide conspiracy, then even if kept mainly oral, for
co-ordination purposes it would have to be written down at times, and then
some persons would have written accounts of it.

The other explanation, then, is that Joly himself may have copied from its
text for his book.

The Protocols, on its own, cannot be used to establish a world conspiracy.
But if such a conspiracy be verified FROM OTHER SOURCES - such as H. G.
Wells' book The Open Conspiracy opensoc.html

and Benjamin Ginsberg's admissions ginsberg.html

and the 1946 Baruch Plan: baruch-plan.html

... then the Protocols can be re-examined in that light, and compared
against the historical record.

That is the only way to evaluate it.

Herman Bernstein & Norman Cohn do not evaluate it that way; instead they
compare it with other like material, and say, "this is a re-hash of the old
familiar Anti-Semitic literature".

ii. The Protocols predicts that, after a world war, there will be an
atttempt to form a world government, secretly orchestrated by Jewish
financiers.

This happened at the Treaty of Versailles: wells-lenin-league.html

iii. The Prtotocols also predicted a despotic government in the guise of
socialism, once again secretly Jewish. This happened when Lenin & Trotsky
set up the USSR: lenin-trotsky.html

For all the Czar's toughness, his regime was more lenient than Lenin's; when
the Bolsheviks came to power they were much more inclined to execute serious
opponents.

In the second volume of Alexander Solzhenitsyn's new book Two Hundred Years
Together, which has not yet been published, he frequently refers to Jews as
"the yeast of the Revolution". For this, he is being labelled Anti-Semitic.
Will this book be freely available in bookshops in the West?

The Protocols of Zion Toolkit: Herman Bernstein (1935) and Norman Cohn (1970
and 1971) argue that the Protocols of Zion is a forgery; plus arguments that
the Bernstein / Cohn "forgery" hypothesis is flawed: toolkit.html.

(e) A Conjunction of Four Indicators

Consider these four Indicators:

i. A major political event occurs in world history, inaugurating a regime
aiming to engulf the world, carried out by organised Jews as documented by
Bertrand Russell, and by Robert Wilton and others. Even though some Jews
opposed the new regime, that does not undo the fact that it was created by
Jews.

ii. The Jewish role is hidden, denied, kept invisible. Many of the Jewish
participants came from the West - therefore, some Western Jewish groups knew
of the Jewish role, yet kept it hidden from non-Jews (e.g. in the public
media, partly owned by Jews). There have also been dissident Jewish groups
which tried to warn of what was happening.

iii. Non-Jewish supporters of the Socialist movement are led to believe that
the new regime is benevolent, and the inauguration of a utopia.

iv. In fact it is a despotic dystopia for the very people among whom it is
carried out. Non-Jewish Socialists are deceived and manipulated.

Now this pattern of events was predicted in The Protocols of Zion; yet no
other type of literature, e.g. the Socialist literature preceding the event,
correctly predicted this conjunction of events.

It is this kind of "coincidence" that keeps the Protocols relevant. Is there
any other literature that made such a prediction?

If you know of other literature that correctly predicted this conjunction of
events, please let me know mailto:myers@cyberone.com.au.

(f) Verification, the limits of Knowledge, and the nature of Proof

The Principle of Verification is incompatible with the Principle of
Falsification. These are rival Epistemological Principles, used to evaluate
concepts of Metaphysics (what is). The former is used to enforce official
scepticism against dissident ideas, which are set a high bar to prove
themselves. The Principle of Falsification, on the other hand, posits that
the onus is on the sceptic to disprove the new idea: unless disproved, all
ideas can be considered.

For more on this see perspectivism.html.

The former is associated with a mood of Certainty, the latter with the idea
that our knowledge can, at best, only asymptote into the truth, never quite
get there.

A Daoist approach to philosophy: daoist.html.
"Jim E" <YD653126@sea.edu> wrote in message
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>
> "Dr. Lippschitz" <
>
>
> Shit lips fantasies flushed
>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 1 2006 4:34 pm
From: "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com>

"Jim E" <YD653126@sea.edu> wrote in message
news:496i3rFn0nivU1@individual.net...
>
> "Dr. Lippschitz"
>
>
> Shit lips paste job flushed.

This is how Norman Cohn is described in Who's Who in World Jewry, Pitman
Publishing Co., New York 1972:

(b) J. L. Talmon, the Tsar and the Tsarina

The Great in the Small was the Nilus edition of the Protocols.

Herman Bernstein wrote in The Truth About "The Protocols of Zion":

"{p. xxx} Tsar Nicholas himself was also deeply interested in the
"Protocols." In the course of my research, I discovered a copy

"{p. xxxi} of the 1906 Butmi edition of this anti-Jewish document in the
private library of the Tsar acquired several years ago by the Library of
Congress, Washington, D.C."

In 1934-5 the Protocols was put on trial at Berne in Switzerland, by
Zionists trying to suppress it.

In that case, why did the Tsar keep a copy of the Protocols? A copy of a
worthless document forged by his own secret police? Does this make sense?

That's not what I believe about it. I believe it genuine, but that does not
mean the Protocols is right about everything. I don't know anyone who
interprets it that way.

(d) The Parallels with Joly

The existence of some parallel passages with Maurice Joly's book Dialogue
aux Enfers entre Montesquieu at Machiavel, published in 1864, does not
necessarily prove the Protocols of Zion a forgery.

i. If there is a worldwide conspiracy, then even if kept mainly oral, for
co-ordination purposes it would have to be written down at times, and then
some persons would have written accounts of it.

The other explanation, then, is that Joly himself may have copied from its
text for his book.

The Protocols, on its own, cannot be used to establish a world conspiracy.
But if such a conspiracy be verified FROM OTHER SOURCES - such as H. G.
Wells' book The Open Conspiracy opensoc.html

and Benjamin Ginsberg's admissions ginsberg.html

and the 1946 Baruch Plan: baruch-plan.html

... then the Protocols can be re-examined in that light, and compared
against the historical record.

That is the only way to evaluate it.

Herman Bernstein & Norman Cohn do not evaluate it that way; instead they
compare it with other like material, and say, "this is a re-hash of the old
familiar Anti-Semitic literature".

ii. The Protocols predicts that, after a world war, there will be an
atttempt to form a world government, secretly orchestrated by Jewish
financiers.

This happened at the Treaty of Versailles: wells-lenin-league.html

iii. The Prtotocols also predicted a despotic government in the guise of
socialism, once again secretly Jewish. This happened when Lenin & Trotsky
set up the USSR: lenin-trotsky.html

For all the Czar's toughness, his regime was more lenient than Lenin's; when
the Bolsheviks came to power they were much more inclined to execute serious
opponents.

(e) A Conjunction of Four Indicators

Consider these four Indicators:

iii. Non-Jewish supporters of the Socialist movement are led to believe that
the new regime is benevolent, and the inauguration of a utopia.

iv. In fact it is a despotic dystopia for the very people among whom it is
carried out. Non-Jewish Socialists are deceived and manipulated.

Now this pattern of events was predicted in The Protocols of Zion; yet no
other type of literature, e.g. the Socialist literature preceding the event,
correctly predicted this conjunction of events.

It is this kind of "coincidence" that keeps the Protocols relevant. Is there
any other literature that made such a prediction?

If you know of other literature that correctly predicted this conjunction of
events, please let me know mailto:myers@cyberone.com.au.

(f) Verification, the limits of Knowledge, and the nature of Proof

For more on this see perspectivism.html.

The former is associated with a mood of Certainty, the latter with the idea
that our knowledge can, at best, only asymptote into the truth, never quite
get there.

A Daoist approach to philosophy: daoist.html.
>
>

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TOPIC: Study: You're Wasting Your Time Praying!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e9f4d8dfa08ede4e
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:42 pm
From: Bob Officer

On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 23:54:15 -0600, in alt.astrology, "Mark Earnest"
<gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"Bob Officer" <bobofficers@invalid.net> wrote in message
>news:505s22h58ooia04utaiehso14gls25p9jj@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:47:18 -0600, in alt.astrology, "Mark Earnest"
>> <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Bob Officer" <bobofficers@invalid.net> wrote in message
>>>news:49mr22dnptb4oosol5hv53shd6re8phggq@4ax.com...
>>>> On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:28:13 -0600, in alt.astrology, "Mark Earnest
>>>> the top posting half-witted babboon" <gmearnest@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>You say thank God for one more day: you think God is with us.
>>>>>You say you want the home God has for you: you think God is with us
>>>>>in the spirit world, dead, right?
>>>>>
>>>>>My question is, if God is with you dead or alive, why pick?
>>>>
>>>> Why wish for tomorrow...
>>>> you have but to seize the day!
>>>> They might not be a god
>>>> and there is a good possibility
>>>> that the reward you crave
>>>> is a nothing more than a cold and bitter grave.
>>>
>>>What a mad reality, that we all just cease to exist.
>>>Forever and ever....nothing?
>>
>> What makes you think there is anything else?
>
>Because it just does not make any sense to think that there is nothing
>beyond death. Nothingness forever is impossible. Reality would not allow
>that, if you just think about it.

Why would an "afterlife" make any sense and not having one. once you
remove superstition, you remove afterlifes.

>Your hatred is religion. Religion has little to do with God and reality.

Religion is hate. I don't hate religion, I have no use for it.

>> "Suffer today at the hands of your masters" and "don't rise up
>> against your masters which god has placed above you, for a better
>> place in the next life"?
>>
>> This seems self serving because it is the same masters that wrote the
>> phrase.
>>
>> Religion based and enforced caste systems. It is all about control.
>> Nothing more, nothing less.

I notice you refuted with no facts or data.

Religionists always end up empty handed.

--
Ak'toh'di

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TOPIC: 500,000 immigration advocates march in Los Angelos
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a7922568c71505bc
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:41 pm
From: "Felix D." <#1Chekist@OGPU.org>

"Morton Davis" <antikerry@go.com> wrote in message
news:D5aXf.659507$084.608625@attbi_s22...
>
> "¿mÿ§të®¦@n?" <?@?.com> wrote in message
> news:nhaq229entkd1dlk65mm69k9vfnqoe1bjv@4ax.com...
> > In talk.politics.guns "Felix D." <#1Chekist@OGPU.org> wrote:

> > >Easy: we do sweeps. Not a citizen? No green card?
> > >
> > >Good: off to and over the border with you, and that should be done
> pronto.
> >
> > In the mean time, National Guard troops prevent clandestine border
> > crossings.
>
> No one can do that without bankrupting the nation. Too much border. Too
many
> people wanting in. Tunnels under the border, planes over it.

How about calling for volunteers? Make it a condition for getting a Federal
CCW that's good no matter where you're from (even California).

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TOPIC: DESERTER SPEAKS OF U.S. ATROCITIES IN IRAQ
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/dd0400e37e5d2d45
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 1 2006 6:50 am
From: "captain."

"serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:abjXf.2971$L7.1064@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>
> "captain." <spammersmustdie@now.net> wrote in message
> news:y4hXf.14859$B_1.9893@edtnps89...
>> this story did make the news in canada. whether or not it is all true is
>> not for me to judge but for once spermy did post a real story.
>
> IF YOU WERE COMPUTER LITERATE, YOU COULD VERIFY EVERY STORY. HOWEVER YOU
> ARE A DONKEY AND I AM NOT ABOUT TO TEACH YOU HOW TO DO IT
>>

a responsible poster would post links to their stories. otherwise most
people, like myself, dismiss them as BS.

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TOPIC: Reducing the Risk of Premarital Adolescent Sex
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/7952a648155acc56
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:51 pm
From: rhooker123@hotmail.com

So let me see, stop the kids from taking any drugs or alcohol,
preventing the teens from dating and especially in the case of older
boys, and make the kids do well in school, along with other things....

all of this will stop 15-18 human male and females from having sex.

First you want everyone to be straight, then you want everyone to be
robots. In the times of 2 Timothy 3:12 girls were married at 13 and
boys were married at 15, you can't stop the nature your God (really
evoluation) created.

Humans are programmed to reproduce, remember the commands to be
fruitfull? Our society imposes a very late term of childhood on people
who are actually young adults. Kids in high school are effectively
adults and in 99% of humans time on this earth they would be middle
aged.

Either from a view of evolution, the truth, of God, a silly myth, you
get the same conclusion, kids in high school are programmed to want to
have sex. Its probably a good idea to try and put it off until your
20s, the evidence is pretty solid on this, but partnets must be
prepared for the possibility that their best hopes will fall and their
daughter will meet some guy they just know is the one for them and,
welll we all know what happens unless we are in utter denial.

Children must learn how to protect themselves. Don't cross the street
without looking both ways! Don't drive without a seat belt! Don't have
sex to young but if you do DON'T HAVE SEX WITHOUT A RUBBER!!!!!

You must teach not only morals, but biology of protection.

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TOPIC: Can somebody point me to a place where I can get the daily stats for
Muslims killing Muslims...I want to have a good laugh.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:57 pm
From: "Anonymous Infidel - The Koran Destroyer"

I love when they blow each other to kingdon come...It's funny shit.
>
Note: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ is good, but they only count
maybe 10% of the deaths.

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