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* Violation of the Anti-Discrimination/Anti-Racism Laws - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/8d9a92bf142dac4e
* Justice at Last - 9 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5dc969963a7c8f17
* The Media's Lies About Israel - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/fa575b84c323d1d3
* Spitting On Our Friends, Slobbering Over Our Enemies - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/afe720449597dd0f
* WSJ: Why Not Liberate the American Worker - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/dff0702be9d23a69
* Payback is a bitch! - 4 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b7caf52f2439b314
* The Emerging Jewish Consensus in Israel - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/756dc1f711a4d8e4
* HAMAS WILL NOT RECOGNIZE ISRAEL - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/da913de7b1259171
* A vital safe guard....we do things our way - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/157fea714be95938
* IDF Establishes "Israeli Only" Crossings - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d425dd2b4ca68cf0
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TOPIC: Violation of the Anti-Discrimination/Anti-Racism Laws
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/8d9a92bf142dac4e
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 5:28 pm
From: "Frau Panta Mime"
Mmmmmm Hmmmmmmm
And Weenie Beanie rhymes with ................................?????
*LMFAOAY*
Mwahahahahahahahahahaha what a fucktard
BTW, you should HEAR the PWNTsa bitch squeal, she's COMICAL in the
extreme
Hoeren sie
http://media.putfile.com/panty49
Here.....
http://media.putfile.com/pants-awry
Und auch hier ..........
http://media.putfile.com/roman-zee-chermann96
Panta Rhei wrote:
> Frau Panta Mime writes:
>
>
> > I contacted the UN
>
> So you contacted the UN, bigmouthed, blathering, hallucinating swellhead!
> LMAO!
>
> Also, your Turkish wife is NOT fat and ugly! Everything you say, poor
> idiot! Buahahahahaaaa...
>
> --
> Living the life of a ridiculed, bitchslapped loony on usenet helps Beanie
> Tinfoil forget the failures in his life.
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TOPIC: Justice at Last
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5dc969963a7c8f17
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 1:28 am
From: "DoD"
Israel watched and waited. Israel prepared and Israel persevered. And it all
came together on March 14th.
March 14th. The day that United States and United Kingdom peacekeepers fled
for their lives, afraid of being kidnapped or killed by Palestinian
terrorists. The day that United States and United Kingdom peacekeeping
forces said enough to fear and uncertainty as they watched colleagues
disappear, taken hostage, their fates unknown, wondering if they would be
next.
March 14th. The day that the Israeli army led a daring raid on the Jericho
prison abandoned by Americans and the British, left solely guarded by
Palestinian jailers. The day that Israel entered the prison and took captive
five members of the PFLP, the Palestinian Front for the Liberation of
Palestine. The day that five men responsible for the murder of Israeli
Minister of Tourism Rechavam "Ghandi" Zeevi exchanged a Palestinian prison
for an Israeli prison.
For the Israelis, it was worth the wait.
And now, Israel is claiming that under Israeli law they will bring the
assassins to trial. Israel is claiming that the men who planned the
assassination of Zeevi, in October of 2002, in a Jerusalem hotel corridor,
will be brought to justice under Israeli jurisdiction.
The Palestinians disagree.
The Palestinian Authority claims that putting these men on trial - again, in
Israel - is a violation of an agreement signed by Israel and the
Palestinians. They claim that putting these men on trial in Israel violates
Annex IV of Oslo 2 which states that "no person can be tried twice for the
same offense." The Palestinians argue that it is double-faced for Israel and
the United States to demand that Hamas honor previous agreements if they
themselves intend to flaunt this agreement.
The Palestinians are right. And they are wrong.
Four of the men now in Israeli hands were tried by the Palestinians. True,
it was a middle of the night trial that lasted all of twenty minutes, but
they were, technically, tried and found guilty. The fifth man, Ahmed Saadat,
was never tried by the Palestinians. He went to prison because he feared for
his life, feared that Israel would capture him or target him. He went to
prison because it was the safest place to be. Ahmed Saadat is the head of
the PFLP. Ahmed Saadat never, ever, went on trial for the assassination of
Rechavam Zeevi.
Ahmed Saadat is fair game. As for the other four, while Israel may not bring
them to trial for the assassination, they can certainly try them for a host
of other related crimes.
The Palestinian Authority is famous for revolving-door-justice. And that is
the reason that the prison was watched over, not guarded, but monitored by
the Americans and the British. The only reason these men were even in prison
is because the United States and the United Kingdom demanded that they be
brought to justice and then took up surveillance posts outside the prison
doors. The prisoners still used their cell phones and were often visited by
high level PA leaders and nobody knows that they were really behind bars,
but they were, at least physically, in prison.
In fact, Saadat was actually elected to the Palestinian Parliament in the
Hamas-led government, from prison.
And now Saadat is claiming that he wants to sue the United Kingdom for not
properly protecting him in the prison.
The United Kingdom was not there to protect Saadat inside the prison, they
were there to prevent his escaping from the prison. And he is not the one
who escaped. They, the prison-watchers, escaped, pulling out because the
situation was too dangerous for them, the peacekeepers. Saadat was captured.
So Israel waited, the United States and the United Kingdom watched, and the
Palestinians will be punished for their crime. It was inevitable. Time was
on the side of justice.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21745
== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 5:34 pm
From: "Ariadne"
DoD wrote:
> Israel watched and waited. Israel prepared and Israel persevered. And it all
> came together on March 14th.
>
> March 14th. The day that United States and United Kingdom peacekeepers fled
> for their lives, afraid of being kidnapped or killed by Palestinian
> terrorists. The day that United States and United Kingdom peacekeeping
> forces said enough to fear and uncertainty as they watched colleagues
> disappear, taken hostage, their fates unknown, wondering if they would be
> next.
>
> March 14th. The day that the Israeli army led a daring raid on the Jericho
> prison abandoned by Americans and the British, left solely guarded by
> Palestinian jailers. The day that Israel entered the prison and took captive
> five members of the PFLP, the Palestinian Front for the Liberation of
> Palestine. The day that five men responsible for the murder of Israeli
> Minister of Tourism Rechavam "Ghandi" Zeevi exchanged a Palestinian prison
> for an Israeli prison.
>
> For the Israelis, it was worth the wait.
>
> And now, Israel is claiming that under Israeli law they will bring the
> assassins to trial. Israel is claiming that the men who planned the
> assassination of Zeevi, in October of 2002, in a Jerusalem hotel corridor,
> will be brought to justice under Israeli jurisdiction.
>
> The Palestinians disagree.
>
> The Palestinian Authority claims that putting these men on trial - again, in
> Israel - is a violation of an agreement signed by Israel and the
> Palestinians. They claim that putting these men on trial in Israel violates
> Annex IV of Oslo 2 which states that "no person can be tried twice for the
> same offense." The Palestinians argue that it is double-faced for Israel and
> the United States to demand that Hamas honor previous agreements if they
> themselves intend to flaunt this agreement.
>
> The Palestinians are right. And they are wrong.
>
> Four of the men now in Israeli hands were tried by the Palestinians. True,
> it was a middle of the night trial that lasted all of twenty minutes, but
> they were, technically, tried and found guilty. The fifth man, Ahmed Saadat,
> was never tried by the Palestinians. He went to prison because he feared for
> his life, feared that Israel would capture him or target him. He went to
> prison because it was the safest place to be. Ahmed Saadat is the head of
> the PFLP. Ahmed Saadat never, ever, went on trial for the assassination of
> Rechavam Zeevi.
>
> Ahmed Saadat is fair game. As for the other four, while Israel may not bring
> them to trial for the assassination, they can certainly try them for a host
> of other related crimes.
>
> The Palestinian Authority is famous for revolving-door-justice. And that is
> the reason that the prison was watched over, not guarded, but monitored by
> the Americans and the British. The only reason these men were even in prison
> is because the United States and the United Kingdom demanded that they be
> brought to justice and then took up surveillance posts outside the prison
> doors. The prisoners still used their cell phones and were often visited by
> high level PA leaders and nobody knows that they were really behind bars,
> but they were, at least physically, in prison.
>
> In fact, Saadat was actually elected to the Palestinian Parliament in the
> Hamas-led government, from prison.
>
> And now Saadat is claiming that he wants to sue the United Kingdom for not
> properly protecting him in the prison.
>
> The United Kingdom was not there to protect Saadat inside the prison, they
> were there to prevent his escaping from the prison. And he is not the one
> who escaped. They, the prison-watchers, escaped, pulling out because the
> situation was too dangerous for them, the peacekeepers. Saadat was captured.
>
> So Israel waited, the United States and the United Kingdom watched, and the
> Palestinians will be punished for their crime. It was inevitable. Time was
> on the side of justice.
>
> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21745
Well done.
== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 1:36 am
From: "DoD"
"Ariadne" <ariadne.mac@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143164087.822494.144000@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>
> DoD wrote:
>> Israel watched and waited. Israel prepared and Israel persevered. And it
>> all
>> came together on March 14th.
>>
>> March 14th. The day that United States and United Kingdom peacekeepers
>> fled
>> for their lives, afraid of being kidnapped or killed by Palestinian
>> terrorists. The day that United States and United Kingdom peacekeeping
>> forces said enough to fear and uncertainty as they watched colleagues
>> disappear, taken hostage, their fates unknown, wondering if they would be
>> next.
>>
>> March 14th. The day that the Israeli army led a daring raid on the
>> Jericho
>> prison abandoned by Americans and the British, left solely guarded by
>> Palestinian jailers. The day that Israel entered the prison and took
>> captive
>> five members of the PFLP, the Palestinian Front for the Liberation of
>> Palestine. The day that five men responsible for the murder of Israeli
>> Minister of Tourism Rechavam "Ghandi" Zeevi exchanged a Palestinian
>> prison
>> for an Israeli prison.
>>
>> For the Israelis, it was worth the wait.
>>
>> And now, Israel is claiming that under Israeli law they will bring the
>> assassins to trial. Israel is claiming that the men who planned the
>> assassination of Zeevi, in October of 2002, in a Jerusalem hotel
>> corridor,
>> will be brought to justice under Israeli jurisdiction.
>>
>> The Palestinians disagree.
>>
>> The Palestinian Authority claims that putting these men on trial - again,
>> in
>> Israel - is a violation of an agreement signed by Israel and the
>> Palestinians. They claim that putting these men on trial in Israel
>> violates
>> Annex IV of Oslo 2 which states that "no person can be tried twice for
>> the
>> same offense." The Palestinians argue that it is double-faced for Israel
>> and
>> the United States to demand that Hamas honor previous agreements if they
>> themselves intend to flaunt this agreement.
>>
>> The Palestinians are right. And they are wrong.
>>
>> Four of the men now in Israeli hands were tried by the Palestinians.
>> True,
>> it was a middle of the night trial that lasted all of twenty minutes, but
>> they were, technically, tried and found guilty. The fifth man, Ahmed
>> Saadat,
>> was never tried by the Palestinians. He went to prison because he feared
>> for
>> his life, feared that Israel would capture him or target him. He went to
>> prison because it was the safest place to be. Ahmed Saadat is the head of
>> the PFLP. Ahmed Saadat never, ever, went on trial for the assassination
>> of
>> Rechavam Zeevi.
>>
>> Ahmed Saadat is fair game. As for the other four, while Israel may not
>> bring
>> them to trial for the assassination, they can certainly try them for a
>> host
>> of other related crimes.
>>
>> The Palestinian Authority is famous for revolving-door-justice. And that
>> is
>> the reason that the prison was watched over, not guarded, but monitored
>> by
>> the Americans and the British. The only reason these men were even in
>> prison
>> is because the United States and the United Kingdom demanded that they be
>> brought to justice and then took up surveillance posts outside the prison
>> doors. The prisoners still used their cell phones and were often visited
>> by
>> high level PA leaders and nobody knows that they were really behind bars,
>> but they were, at least physically, in prison.
>>
>> In fact, Saadat was actually elected to the Palestinian Parliament in the
>> Hamas-led government, from prison.
>>
>> And now Saadat is claiming that he wants to sue the United Kingdom for
>> not
>> properly protecting him in the prison.
>>
>> The United Kingdom was not there to protect Saadat inside the prison,
>> they
>> were there to prevent his escaping from the prison. And he is not the one
>> who escaped. They, the prison-watchers, escaped, pulling out because the
>> situation was too dangerous for them, the peacekeepers. Saadat was
>> captured.
>>
>> So Israel waited, the United States and the United Kingdom watched, and
>> the
>> Palestinians will be punished for their crime. It was inevitable. Time
>> was
>> on the side of justice.
>>
>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21745
>
> Well done.
No doubt about it....
== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 5:39 pm
From: "Ariadne"
DoD wrote:
> "Ariadne" <ariadne.mac@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1143164087.822494.144000@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > DoD wrote:
> >> Israel watched and waited. Israel prepared and Israel persevered. And it
> >> all
> >> came together on March 14th.
> >>
> >> March 14th. The day that United States and United Kingdom peacekeepers
> >> fled
> >> for their lives, afraid of being kidnapped or killed by Palestinian
> >> terrorists. The day that United States and United Kingdom peacekeeping
> >> forces said enough to fear and uncertainty as they watched colleagues
> >> disappear, taken hostage, their fates unknown, wondering if they would be
> >> next.
> >>
> >> March 14th. The day that the Israeli army led a daring raid on the
> >> Jericho
> >> prison abandoned by Americans and the British, left solely guarded by
> >> Palestinian jailers. The day that Israel entered the prison and took
> >> captive
> >> five members of the PFLP, the Palestinian Front for the Liberation of
> >> Palestine. The day that five men responsible for the murder of Israeli
> >> Minister of Tourism Rechavam "Ghandi" Zeevi exchanged a Palestinian
> >> prison
> >> for an Israeli prison.
> >>
> >> For the Israelis, it was worth the wait.
> >>
[...]
> >> So Israel waited, the United States and the United Kingdom watched, and
> >> the
> >> Palestinians will be punished for their crime. It was inevitable. Time
> >> was
> >> on the side of justice.
> >>
> >> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21745
> >
> > Well done.
>
> No doubt about it....
But how did it feel, cosying up to Taliban
torres?
== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 1:40 am
From: "DoD"
"Ariadne" <ariadne.mac@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143164384.187000.101260@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> DoD wrote:
>> "Ariadne" <ariadne.mac@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1143164087.822494.144000@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > DoD wrote:
>> >> Israel watched and waited. Israel prepared and Israel persevered. And
>> >> it
>> >> all
>> >> came together on March 14th.
>> >>
>> >> March 14th. The day that United States and United Kingdom peacekeepers
>> >> fled
>> >> for their lives, afraid of being kidnapped or killed by Palestinian
>> >> terrorists. The day that United States and United Kingdom peacekeeping
>> >> forces said enough to fear and uncertainty as they watched colleagues
>> >> disappear, taken hostage, their fates unknown, wondering if they would
>> >> be
>> >> next.
>> >>
>> >> March 14th. The day that the Israeli army led a daring raid on the
>> >> Jericho
>> >> prison abandoned by Americans and the British, left solely guarded by
>> >> Palestinian jailers. The day that Israel entered the prison and took
>> >> captive
>> >> five members of the PFLP, the Palestinian Front for the Liberation of
>> >> Palestine. The day that five men responsible for the murder of Israeli
>> >> Minister of Tourism Rechavam "Ghandi" Zeevi exchanged a Palestinian
>> >> prison
>> >> for an Israeli prison.
>> >>
>> >> For the Israelis, it was worth the wait.
>> >>
> [...]
>> >> So Israel waited, the United States and the United Kingdom watched,
>> >> and
>> >> the
>> >> Palestinians will be punished for their crime. It was inevitable. Time
>> >> was
>> >> on the side of justice.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21745
>> >
>> > Well done.
>>
>> No doubt about it....
>
> But how did it feel, cosying up to Taliban
> torres?
Made my stomach turn ...... I will NEVER EVER EVER do that again.....
== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 5:44 pm
From: "Ariadne"
DoD wrote:
> "Ariadne" <ariadne.mac@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1143164384.187000.101260@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > DoD wrote:
> >> "Ariadne" <ariadne.mac@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1143164087.822494.144000@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> >> >
> >> > DoD wrote:
> >> >> Israel watched and waited. Israel prepared and Israel persevered. And
> >> >> it
> >> >> all
> >> >> came together on March 14th.
> >> >>
> >> >> March 14th. The day that United States and United Kingdom peacekeepers
> >> >> fled
> >> >> for their lives, afraid of being kidnapped or killed by Palestinian
> >> >> terrorists. The day that United States and United Kingdom peacekeeping
> >> >> forces said enough to fear and uncertainty as they watched colleagues
> >> >> disappear, taken hostage, their fates unknown, wondering if they would
> >> >> be
> >> >> next.
> >> >>
> >> >> March 14th. The day that the Israeli army led a daring raid on the
> >> >> Jericho
> >> >> prison abandoned by Americans and the British, left solely guarded by
> >> >> Palestinian jailers. The day that Israel entered the prison and took
> >> >> captive
> >> >> five members of the PFLP, the Palestinian Front for the Liberation of
> >> >> Palestine. The day that five men responsible for the murder of Israeli
> >> >> Minister of Tourism Rechavam "Ghandi" Zeevi exchanged a Palestinian
> >> >> prison
> >> >> for an Israeli prison.
> >> >>
> >> >> For the Israelis, it was worth the wait.
> >> >>
> > [...]
> >> >> So Israel waited, the United States and the United Kingdom watched,
> >> >> and
> >> >> the
> >> >> Palestinians will be punished for their crime. It was inevitable. Time
> >> >> was
> >> >> on the side of justice.
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21745
> >> >
> >> > Well done.
> >>
> >> No doubt about it....
> >
> > But how did it feel, cosying up to Taliban
> > torres?
>
> Made my stomach turn ...... I will NEVER EVER EVER do that again.....
Thank goodness.
The other good news is that Norma helped me
find Le Mod Pol, who is well.
== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 8:48 pm
From: "Ed"
"DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
news:bXHUf.14291$Eg2.2949@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Israel watched and waited. Israel prepared and Israel persevered. And it
> all came together on March 14th.
>
> March 14th. The day that United States and United Kingdom peacekeepers
> fled for their lives, afraid of being kidnapped or killed by Palestinian
> terrorists. The day that United States and United Kingdom peacekeeping
> forces said enough to fear and uncertainty as they watched colleagues
> disappear, taken hostage, their fates unknown, wondering if they would be
> next.
>
> March 14th. The day that the Israeli army led a daring raid on the Jericho
> prison abandoned by Americans and the British, left solely guarded by
> Palestinian jailers. The day that Israel entered the prison and took
> captive five members of the PFLP, the Palestinian Front for the Liberation
> of Palestine. The day that five men responsible for the murder of Israeli
> Minister of Tourism Rechavam "Ghandi" Zeevi exchanged a Palestinian prison
> for an Israeli prison.
>
> For the Israelis, it was worth the wait.
>
> And now, Israel is claiming that under Israeli law they will bring the
> assassins to trial. Israel is claiming that the men who planned the
> assassination of Zeevi, in October of 2002, in a Jerusalem hotel corridor,
> will be brought to justice under Israeli jurisdiction.
>
> The Palestinians disagree.
>
> The Palestinian Authority claims that putting these men on trial - again,
> in Israel - is a violation of an agreement signed by Israel and the
> Palestinians. They claim that putting these men on trial in Israel
> violates Annex IV of Oslo 2 which states that "no person can be tried
> twice for the same offense." The Palestinians argue that it is
> double-faced for Israel and the United States to demand that Hamas honor
> previous agreements if they themselves intend to flaunt this agreement.
>
> The Palestinians are right. And they are wrong.
>
> Four of the men now in Israeli hands were tried by the Palestinians. True,
> it was a middle of the night trial that lasted all of twenty minutes, but
> they were, technically, tried and found guilty. The fifth man, Ahmed
> Saadat, was never tried by the Palestinians. He went to prison because he
> feared for his life, feared that Israel would capture him or target him.
> He went to prison because it was the safest place to be. Ahmed Saadat is
> the head of the PFLP. Ahmed Saadat never, ever, went on trial for the
> assassination of Rechavam Zeevi.
>
> Ahmed Saadat is fair game. As for the other four, while Israel may not
> bring them to trial for the assassination, they can certainly try them for
> a host of other related crimes.
>
> The Palestinian Authority is famous for revolving-door-justice. And that
> is the reason that the prison was watched over, not guarded, but monitored
> by the Americans and the British. The only reason these men were even in
> prison is because the United States and the United Kingdom demanded that
> they be brought to justice and then took up surveillance posts outside the
> prison doors. The prisoners still used their cell phones and were often
> visited by high level PA leaders and nobody knows that they were really
> behind bars, but they were, at least physically, in prison.
>
> In fact, Saadat was actually elected to the Palestinian Parliament in the
> Hamas-led government, from prison.
>
> And now Saadat is claiming that he wants to sue the United Kingdom for not
> properly protecting him in the prison.
>
> The United Kingdom was not there to protect Saadat inside the prison, they
> were there to prevent his escaping from the prison. And he is not the one
> who escaped. They, the prison-watchers, escaped, pulling out because the
> situation was too dangerous for them, the peacekeepers. Saadat was
> captured.
>
> So Israel waited, the United States and the United Kingdom watched, and
> the Palestinians will be punished for their crime. It was inevitable. Time
> was on the side of justice.
>
> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21745
Now THIS sounds like the DoD we all know.
>
>
== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 8:49 pm
From: "Ed"
"DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
news:H6IUf.14298$Eg2.1243@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> "Ariadne" <ariadne.mac@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1143164384.187000.101260@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> DoD wrote:
>>> "Ariadne" <ariadne.mac@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1143164087.822494.144000@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>>> >
>>> > DoD wrote:
>>> >> Israel watched and waited. Israel prepared and Israel persevered. And
>>> >> it
>>> >> all
>>> >> came together on March 14th.
>>> >>
>>> >> March 14th. The day that United States and United Kingdom
>>> >> peacekeepers
>>> >> fled
>>> >> for their lives, afraid of being kidnapped or killed by Palestinian
>>> >> terrorists. The day that United States and United Kingdom
>>> >> peacekeeping
>>> >> forces said enough to fear and uncertainty as they watched colleagues
>>> >> disappear, taken hostage, their fates unknown, wondering if they
>>> >> would be
>>> >> next.
>>> >>
>>> >> March 14th. The day that the Israeli army led a daring raid on the
>>> >> Jericho
>>> >> prison abandoned by Americans and the British, left solely guarded by
>>> >> Palestinian jailers. The day that Israel entered the prison and took
>>> >> captive
>>> >> five members of the PFLP, the Palestinian Front for the Liberation of
>>> >> Palestine. The day that five men responsible for the murder of
>>> >> Israeli
>>> >> Minister of Tourism Rechavam "Ghandi" Zeevi exchanged a Palestinian
>>> >> prison
>>> >> for an Israeli prison.
>>> >>
>>> >> For the Israelis, it was worth the wait.
>>> >>
>> [...]
>>> >> So Israel waited, the United States and the United Kingdom watched,
>>> >> and
>>> >> the
>>> >> Palestinians will be punished for their crime. It was inevitable.
>>> >> Time
>>> >> was
>>> >> on the side of justice.
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21745
>>> >
>>> > Well done.
>>>
>>> No doubt about it....
>>
>> But how did it feel, cosying up to Taliban
>> torres?
>
> Made my stomach turn ...... I will NEVER EVER EVER do that again.....
<ENORMOUS SIGH OF RELIEF>
Dave, it's great to have you back!! :-)
>
>
== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 5:49 pm
From: "DoD"
"Ed" <nesorde@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:zpOdnYnQUfq7zb7ZnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
> news:H6IUf.14298$Eg2.1243@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>
>> "Ariadne" <ariadne.mac@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1143164384.187000.101260@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> DoD wrote:
>>>> "Ariadne" <ariadne.mac@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1143164087.822494.144000@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>>>> >
>>>> > DoD wrote:
>>>> >> Israel watched and waited. Israel prepared and Israel persevered.
>>>> >> And it
>>>> >> all
>>>> >> came together on March 14th.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> March 14th. The day that United States and United Kingdom
>>>> >> peacekeepers
>>>> >> fled
>>>> >> for their lives, afraid of being kidnapped or killed by Palestinian
>>>> >> terrorists. The day that United States and United Kingdom
>>>> >> peacekeeping
>>>> >> forces said enough to fear and uncertainty as they watched
>>>> >> colleagues
>>>> >> disappear, taken hostage, their fates unknown, wondering if they
>>>> >> would be
>>>> >> next.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> March 14th. The day that the Israeli army led a daring raid on the
>>>> >> Jericho
>>>> >> prison abandoned by Americans and the British, left solely guarded
>>>> >> by
>>>> >> Palestinian jailers. The day that Israel entered the prison and took
>>>> >> captive
>>>> >> five members of the PFLP, the Palestinian Front for the Liberation
>>>> >> of
>>>> >> Palestine. The day that five men responsible for the murder of
>>>> >> Israeli
>>>> >> Minister of Tourism Rechavam "Ghandi" Zeevi exchanged a Palestinian
>>>> >> prison
>>>> >> for an Israeli prison.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> For the Israelis, it was worth the wait.
>>>> >>
>>> [...]
>>>> >> So Israel waited, the United States and the United Kingdom watched,
>>>> >> and
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> Palestinians will be punished for their crime. It was inevitable.
>>>> >> Time
>>>> >> was
>>>> >> on the side of justice.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21745
>>>> >
>>>> > Well done.
>>>>
>>>> No doubt about it....
>>>
>>> But how did it feel, cosying up to Taliban
>>> torres?
>>
>> Made my stomach turn ...... I will NEVER EVER EVER do that again.....
>
> <ENORMOUS SIGH OF RELIEF>
>
> Dave, it's great to have you back!! :-)
Thanks Ed, I really hated doing that.
==============================================================================
TOPIC: The Media's Lies About Israel
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/fa575b84c323d1d3
==============================================================================
== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 5:31 pm
From: AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com
Gutmann is a racist Goy-hater, supporter of Kach terrorists and is a
outright liar who has been debunked so many times I'm surprised you
even bother reposting such obvious garbage.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 1:35 am
From: "DoD"
<AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143163886.595367.271140@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Frontpage Interview's guest today is Stephanie Gutmann, the author of the
> new book The Other War: Israelis, Palestinians and the Struggle for Media
> Supremacy. She has been a journalist for about sixteen years, as a staffer
> and a freelancer, writing for publications ranging from the New Republic
> and
> the New York Times to Cosmopolitan and Playboy. She was the New York
> Post's
> education reporter for the year 1993-94. She is the author of The Kinder,
> Gentler Military (Scribner, 2000) which was on the New York Times' list of
> notable non-fiction for 2000. In 2001, the book was published in
> paperback
> by Encounter with the subtitle "How Political Correctness Affects Our
> Ability to Win Wars."
>
>
>
> FP: Stephanie Guttmann, welcome to Frontpage Interview.
>
>
>
> Gutmann: Thank you.
>
>
>
> FP: I want to talk to you today about your expertise: the media's lies
> about
> Israel. Let's begin, briefly, with what your book, The Other War:
> Israelis,
> Palestinians and the Struggle for Media Supremacy, is about.
>
> Gutmann: The book is two pronged--it is about Israel (about the second
> intifada and about the Israeli government's growing awareness that it
> needed
> to engage in the media war as well as on the ground) but it is also about
> the hazards of modern journalism.
>
>
>
> By modern journalism I mean information collection and presentation
> assisted
> by the satellite disc and satellite phone, by the TV camera, the digital
> camera, and particularly the internet (including Nexis and the photo image
> banks.)
>
>
>
> These new tools have the power to send bad information--usually deceptive
> images--not so much words, rocketing around the globe. In less than an
> hour
> the news consumer can be blanketed in bad information, and an individual
> or
> a country libelled and slandered at truly breathtaking speed.
>
> What the new electronic tools do is remove the need for reporters to
> actually report, i.e. to go somewhere and look for themselves. That was
> no
> guarantee with the old shoe leather methods that they'd do their utmost to
> present what they believed to be the truth to their audience--but it
> helped.
> As a retired CBS producer I quote in my book put it, " a lot of journalism
> [these days is] construction. An editor in New York decides what the
> story
> is [my italics], sends the word out to bureaus that we need a sound bite
> from this or that type of person saying this or that, gathers up picture
> coverage supplied by freelancers or agencies, and writes a script that is
> narrated by a 'reporter' who hasn't been within 500 miles of the story."
>
> The crucial thing about construction (of a print story as well as a TV
> segment) is that it makes journalism a series of choices, even more than
> it
> has always been. The finished piece that emerges on the page or the
> screen,
> in other words, has not been dictated by the reality on the ground, as
> much
> as by a reporters' or producers' series of decisions about what they
> believe
> is important for their audience to know. They have cut and pared and
> discarded and ordered up and bit of this or a bit of that (one of this
> flavor of expert, and one of those sorts of quotes.) Of course that
> process
> is going to be biased in one way or another -- how can it not be? This is
> a
> product shaped by human hands. News consumers can restore some
> equilibrium
> by noting that this story is from say Fox which has one leaning and that
> one
> is from the New York Times which leans another way, except that immediacy
> of
> satellite and digital et al tends to make people think they are getting
> the
> straight dope, unadulterated. When in fact what they are getting is
> simply
> a better facsimile of reality.
>
>
>
> FP: Ok, so connect this to Israel for us.
>
>
>
> Gutmann: In the early days of what we call the "second intifada" (a term I
> do not like, by the way, but must use for brevity) Israel was getting
> mugged
> on the world stage by the PLO/PA regime's skilful manipulation of imagery.
> One of the PLO/PA's most effective tools, of course, was the child who was
> willing to bleed for the cameras--and they were able to produce a steady
> stream of these with indoctrination training that being a shaheed (a
> martyr)
> was the best sort of "life" one could have. It was working.
>
> I was struck by the passion and conviction of people I'd meet on the
> street--this conviction that they knew exactly what was going on. A
> social
> worker I know said that "Israel must not want peace, because all I see is
> them killing children." A Manhattan stockbroker told me that Palestinians
> were rioting because "they have nothing: no schools, no hospitals,
> nothing."
> I assured him that I knew from direct observation that all these things
> exist in the territories and he snapped "Well, I have never seen them."
> A
> woman at my gym on the Upper West Side told me she'd never considering
> visiting Israel because of its barbarity to the Palestinians. "They
> brutalize them and take their land; Are you telling me the cameras don't
> lie."
>
> FP: Tell us where you think your interest in media distortion began and
> how
> you ended up getting involved in the Israeli issue in this context.
>
> Gutmann: Press distortion is a subject I've found myself always circling
> back to in my writing. My master's project for Columbia University
> Journalism School dissected, debunked and deconstructed one of the media's
> crisis du jour, that of an epidemic of something they dubbed date rape
> which
> was supposedly ravaging campuses. It was fascinating to sort of untangle
> that one, like tracking down the origination of a rumor.
>
> My first book--the Kinder, Gentler Military, about the collusion between a
> traditional military culture and the new politically correct, feminist
> civilian one, was indirectly about media distortion. Here again the US
> military was mugged by distorted coverage. I spend a chapter for instance
> looking at the misreporting of the Tailhook convention of 1991 which has
> been encased in amber as an event in which hundreds of innocent women were
> raped and abused by drunken sailors and Marines.
>
> So, in early 2000 at the outbreak of the second intifada, I saw this odd
> process working again. The tide to really take the subject on was finally
> turned in October of 2000 when an odd little story appeared on, like, page
> A
> 9 of the New York Times. It was about an Italian TV producer named
> Roberto
> Christiano who had written a letter which ended up published on the front
> page of Al-Hayat Al-Jadeeda, a PA-run daily newspaper for the West Bank.
> The writer seemed to be trying to dissociate himself and state-run Italian
> station from the news clips of Israeli soldiers being lynched in Ramallah
> (images that briefly turned the tide of public opinion in Israel's favor.)
> The letter was addressed to "my friends in the Palestinian community" He
> regretted that a "public impression had been created that we took the
> pictures" while in fact it had been another station, a "commercial
> station"
> he pointed out, one "that competes with us." "You can be sure that this
> is not our way of acting and that we would never do such a thing..We
> always
> respect the journalistic rules of the Palestinian Authority when we work
> in
> Palestine."
>
> Were there journalistic rules for working in Palestine and were they
> affecting what one saw and read? Six years ago this was not so obvious as
> it is now. So I went to Israel to look at rules of engagement, as it were,
> for covering the intifada. Eventually I realized there was enough there
> for
> a book and I came back again for five months in 2002.
>
> FP: What methods did you use in your research?
>
> Gutmann: I used the only reliable journalistic method--which I call heavy
> hanging out, going to a place and living there as much as possible,
> without
> looking like a journalist. You just sort of have to become part of the
> landscape. The minute you begin to scurry around waving a note pad you
> change the thing you've come to write about. You don't really need to do
> so much of those journalisty things like interviews anyway. Behavior
> tells
> volumes more than words, so it's better to sit back and watch--preferably
> as
> the proverbial "fly on the wall."
>
> I know all this sounds like pretty basic stuff, but one simple reason
> reporting of the Middle East is so bad is that--out of fear--reporters
> feel
> the need to identify themselves--with armored cars, with bullet proof
> vests,
> with signs saying "press" and "TV" plastered all over themselves. In many
> cases this is what keeps them from getting shot, on the other hand, they
> change the environment; people quite literally perform and stage things
> for
> cameras. Everyone knows that during the second intifada a lot of the rock
> throwing demonstrations wouldn't start until an appropriately large
> audience
> of press arrived. And the infamous al-Dura incident looks more and more
> like it was actually an elaborate set up.
>
> What one sees and hears is also very dependent in the territories on the
> fixer one inevitably hires. There is a whole of flotilla of Palestinian
> pros who have been trained for the express purpose of squiring foreign
> press
> around and, as they put it, "making sure they get the Palestinian
> story"--which essentially always meant the PLO/P.A. Arafat regime story.
> I
> couldn't afford a pro so I drafted a complete neophyte into service. He
> was
> very bright, multi-lingual and had grown up in Ramallah but he was not
> schooled in the art of taking foreign journalists on Potemkin tours so he
> just said what he thought.
>
> Instead of visiting officials and pundits we went broke up our long drives
> with visits to his family and friends who were scattered all over the West
> Bank. I think I got a far more nuanced view this way. The one thing I
> got
> earfuls of was the rage on "the Arab street" at Yasser Arafat. The PA
> leadership were crooks, Mafiosi. One restaurant owner even demanded that I
> tell him why the US had not "taken out Arafat" (who he called a crook.)
> "You take out Sadaam; why not Arafat!," he said in an injured tone.
>
> It was a bizarre experience because the mainstream media was still (this
> was
> fall of 2002) calling Arafat "the voice of the Palestinian people", "the
> symbol of their aspirations" and so on. What a joke! Mostly I heard
> rage.
> Anyone who spent significant time away from the smooth talkers of Fatah
> and
> the P.A.--was not surprised by the Hamas win and also not all that
> distressed by it.
>
> FP: You are not distressed by the Hamas victory? You think Hamas is not
> that
> bad?
>
> Gutmann: Oh they are that bad. If you want to see evil personified watch
> the otherwise-pretty obnoxious-documentary directed by Death in Gaza. The
> director is Afghani which makes her look Arab and so she was able to gain
> the trust of a Hamas cell which let her in to film what amounts to a
> recruiting session of boys about age nine. They use every repulsive
> indoctrination technique in the book--they hug them, chuck them under the
> chin, let them play with automatic rifles and then send them out to be
> used
> to do advance work for attacks.
>
> But I do not think the Palestinian rank and file, by and large, are on the
> same page as Hamas. They had a huge desire to punish Fatah/the PA, they
> wanted just distribution of aid money. If there had been a viable
> alternative to Hamas, they would have voted for it. I do not believe that
> ordinary Palestinians voted for Hamas for the most anti-Zionist part of
> its
> platform.
>
> In the end Hamas will do them no good and another one of the tragedies of
> the area is that if the international press corps had done its duty and
> exposed the corruption of the PA (I don't mean just a story here and a
> story
> there) but really hammered it the way they hammered, say, Abu Gharib, the
> Palestinians wouldn't have been stuck with this terrible choice.
>
> FP: So in some ways, the victory of Islamo-Fascists in the Palestinian
> parliamentary elections is the child of the media?
>
> Gutmann: Yes, in a way, the foreign press used the Palestinian rank and
> file
> for their own ends--to appear as stock figures in their passion play--just
> as the governments of other Arab states have.
>
> FP: In general, why do you think anti-Semitism and Israel-Hatred has
> become
> such a chic and cutting-edge thing for the Left and the mainstream media?
>
> Gutmann: This is complicated question--because the motivations of left
> wing
> media and mainstream media are different. Anti-Zionism has been a
> standard
> part of the leftist platform since at least the early seventies But there
> is a sort of more banal evil operating in the MSM. I can't go into all of
> it here (you will have to read my book.)
>
>
>
> But one of the reasons that Israel is routinely crucified is that
> journalists take the path of least resistance in the quest for a "good
> story"--defined as one with blood, human conflict, striking visuals and an
> extractable up/down, bad/good story line. The dirty little secret of the
> media war is that Israel is an extremely easy place to place bureaus so
> you
> can get a steady pipeline of that kind of story. Here's an example: Ted
> Koppel had a big success in the 80s with a Nightline series on South
> African
> apartheid. Naturally after he'd fixed South Africa--as he seems to be
> suggesting in the memoir where he explains all this--he began looking
> around
> for "the next South Africa", "another conflict with international
> relevance,
> with complexities.and with parties willing to debate" "I suppose
> theoretically we could have done something with the Iranians and the
> Iraqis," he muses, "but that would have been such a huge problem in terms
> of
> language and such a huge problem in terms of getting permission to travel
> around the country and shoot." (Not to mention the problem of having your
> reporters kidnapped and shot and so on.)
>
> One day while watching rioting Palestinians facing IDF soldiers on TV he
> had
> an A-ha! Moment: He decided he had "found South Africa II.It was Israel.
> The equivalent of Bishop Tutu versus Foreign Minister Botha would be the
> Palestinians versus the Israelis."
>
> A writer in the Columbia Journalism Review rhapsodized that the
> Israeli/Palestinian conflict "is a beat that commands world attention
> and .offers reporters unparalleled exposure" with the added advantage
> that
> war correspondents "don't need to travel far.the West Bank city of
> Bethlehem
> is only a ten minute drive from Jerusalem" (And the Santa Monica-like,
> tree-lined streets of its German Quarter where so many foreign press
> live.)
> His friend Jennifer Griffin of Fox News, for example, the CJR writer
> crows,
> "has managed a feat that would be impossible anywhere else, to be a war
> correspondent and a new mother." "It's a nine to five war you can cover
> and
> still be home in time for dinner at night, said Griffith. "I've gone out
> the door with a flak jacket and a breast pump."
>
> FP: Stephanie Gutmann, thank you for joining us today.
>
> Gutmann: Thank you Jamie.
>
> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21764
>
>
> Gutmann is a racist Goy-hater,
That is funny coming from an idiotic Jew hater like you.
supporter of Kach terrorists and is a
> outright liar who has been debunked so many times I'm surprised you
> even bother reposting such obvious garbage.
Where was the debunking dickweed? Your imagination?
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 5:50 pm
From: "Ed"
"DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
news:h1IUf.14293$Eg2.484@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> <AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1143163886.595367.271140@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
>> Frontpage Interview's guest today is Stephanie Gutmann, the author of the
>> new book The Other War: Israelis, Palestinians and the Struggle for Media
>> Supremacy. She has been a journalist for about sixteen years, as a
>> staffer
>> and a freelancer, writing for publications ranging from the New Republic
>> and
>> the New York Times to Cosmopolitan and Playboy. She was the New York
>> Post's
>> education reporter for the year 1993-94. She is the author of The
>> Kinder,
>> Gentler Military (Scribner, 2000) which was on the New York Times' list
>> of
>> notable non-fiction for 2000. In 2001, the book was published in
>> paperback
>> by Encounter with the subtitle "How Political Correctness Affects Our
>> Ability to Win Wars."
>>
>>
>>
>> FP: Stephanie Guttmann, welcome to Frontpage Interview.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gutmann: Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>> FP: I want to talk to you today about your expertise: the media's lies
>> about
>> Israel. Let's begin, briefly, with what your book, The Other War:
>> Israelis,
>> Palestinians and the Struggle for Media Supremacy, is about.
>>
>> Gutmann: The book is two pronged--it is about Israel (about the second
>> intifada and about the Israeli government's growing awareness that it
>> needed
>> to engage in the media war as well as on the ground) but it is also about
>> the hazards of modern journalism.
>>
>>
>>
>> By modern journalism I mean information collection and presentation
>> assisted
>> by the satellite disc and satellite phone, by the TV camera, the digital
>> camera, and particularly the internet (including Nexis and the photo
>> image
>> banks.)
>>
>>
>>
>> These new tools have the power to send bad information--usually deceptive
>> images--not so much words, rocketing around the globe. In less than an
>> hour
>> the news consumer can be blanketed in bad information, and an individual
>> or
>> a country libelled and slandered at truly breathtaking speed.
>>
>> What the new electronic tools do is remove the need for reporters to
>> actually report, i.e. to go somewhere and look for themselves. That was
>> no
>> guarantee with the old shoe leather methods that they'd do their utmost
>> to
>> present what they believed to be the truth to their audience--but it
>> helped.
>> As a retired CBS producer I quote in my book put it, " a lot of
>> journalism
>> [these days is] construction. An editor in New York decides what the
>> story
>> is [my italics], sends the word out to bureaus that we need a sound bite
>> from this or that type of person saying this or that, gathers up picture
>> coverage supplied by freelancers or agencies, and writes a script that is
>> narrated by a 'reporter' who hasn't been within 500 miles of the story."
>>
>> The crucial thing about construction (of a print story as well as a TV
>> segment) is that it makes journalism a series of choices, even more than
>> it
>> has always been. The finished piece that emerges on the page or the
>> screen,
>> in other words, has not been dictated by the reality on the ground, as
>> much
>> as by a reporters' or producers' series of decisions about what they
>> believe
>> is important for their audience to know. They have cut and pared and
>> discarded and ordered up and bit of this or a bit of that (one of this
>> flavor of expert, and one of those sorts of quotes.) Of course that
>> process
>> is going to be biased in one way or another -- how can it not be? This
>> is a
>> product shaped by human hands. News consumers can restore some
>> equilibrium
>> by noting that this story is from say Fox which has one leaning and that
>> one
>> is from the New York Times which leans another way, except that immediacy
>> of
>> satellite and digital et al tends to make people think they are getting
>> the
>> straight dope, unadulterated. When in fact what they are getting is
>> simply
>> a better facsimile of reality.
>>
>>
>>
>> FP: Ok, so connect this to Israel for us.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gutmann: In the early days of what we call the "second intifada" (a term
>> I
>> do not like, by the way, but must use for brevity) Israel was getting
>> mugged
>> on the world stage by the PLO/PA regime's skilful manipulation of
>> imagery.
>> One of the PLO/PA's most effective tools, of course, was the child who
>> was
>> willing to bleed for the cameras--and they were able to produce a steady
>> stream of these with indoctrination training that being a shaheed (a
>> martyr)
>> was the best sort of "life" one could have. It was working.
>>
>> I was struck by the passion and conviction of people I'd meet on the
>> street--this conviction that they knew exactly what was going on. A
>> social
>> worker I know said that "Israel must not want peace, because all I see is
>> them killing children." A Manhattan stockbroker told me that
>> Palestinians
>> were rioting because "they have nothing: no schools, no hospitals,
>> nothing."
>> I assured him that I knew from direct observation that all these things
>> exist in the territories and he snapped "Well, I have never seen them." A
>> woman at my gym on the Upper West Side told me she'd never considering
>> visiting Israel because of its barbarity to the Palestinians. "They
>> brutalize them and take their land; Are you telling me the cameras don't
>> lie."
>>
>> FP: Tell us where you think your interest in media distortion began and
>> how
>> you ended up getting involved in the Israeli issue in this context.
>>
>> Gutmann: Press distortion is a subject I've found myself always circling
>> back to in my writing. My master's project for Columbia University
>> Journalism School dissected, debunked and deconstructed one of the
>> media's
>> crisis du jour, that of an epidemic of something they dubbed date rape
>> which
>> was supposedly ravaging campuses. It was fascinating to sort of untangle
>> that one, like tracking down the origination of a rumor.
>>
>> My first book--the Kinder, Gentler Military, about the collusion between
>> a
>> traditional military culture and the new politically correct, feminist
>> civilian one, was indirectly about media distortion. Here again the US
>> military was mugged by distorted coverage. I spend a chapter for
>> instance
>> looking at the misreporting of the Tailhook convention of 1991 which has
>> been encased in amber as an event in which hundreds of innocent women
>> were
>> raped and abused by drunken sailors and Marines.
>>
>> So, in early 2000 at the outbreak of the second intifada, I saw this odd
>> process working again. The tide to really take the subject on was
>> finally
>> turned in October of 2000 when an odd little story appeared on, like,
>> page A
>> 9 of the New York Times. It was about an Italian TV producer named
>> Roberto
>> Christiano who had written a letter which ended up published on the front
>> page of Al-Hayat Al-Jadeeda, a PA-run daily newspaper for the West Bank.
>> The writer seemed to be trying to dissociate himself and state-run
>> Italian
>> station from the news clips of Israeli soldiers being lynched in Ramallah
>> (images that briefly turned the tide of public opinion in Israel's
>> favor.)
>> The letter was addressed to "my friends in the Palestinian community" He
>> regretted that a "public impression had been created that we took the
>> pictures" while in fact it had been another station, a "commercial
>> station"
>> he pointed out, one "that competes with us." "You can be sure that
>> this
>> is not our way of acting and that we would never do such a thing..We
>> always
>> respect the journalistic rules of the Palestinian Authority when we work
>> in
>> Palestine."
>>
>> Were there journalistic rules for working in Palestine and were they
>> affecting what one saw and read? Six years ago this was not so obvious
>> as
>> it is now. So I went to Israel to look at rules of engagement, as it
>> were,
>> for covering the intifada. Eventually I realized there was enough there
>> for
>> a book and I came back again for five months in 2002.
>>
>> FP: What methods did you use in your research?
>>
>> Gutmann: I used the only reliable journalistic method--which I call heavy
>> hanging out, going to a place and living there as much as possible,
>> without
>> looking like a journalist. You just sort of have to become part of the
>> landscape. The minute you begin to scurry around waving a note pad you
>> change the thing you've come to write about. You don't really need to
>> do
>> so much of those journalisty things like interviews anyway. Behavior
>> tells
>> volumes more than words, so it's better to sit back and watch--preferably
>> as
>> the proverbial "fly on the wall."
>>
>> I know all this sounds like pretty basic stuff, but one simple reason
>> reporting of the Middle East is so bad is that--out of fear--reporters
>> feel
>> the need to identify themselves--with armored cars, with bullet proof
>> vests,
>> with signs saying "press" and "TV" plastered all over themselves. In
>> many
>> cases this is what keeps them from getting shot, on the other hand, they
>> change the environment; people quite literally perform and stage things
>> for
>> cameras. Everyone knows that during the second intifada a lot of the
>> rock
>> throwing demonstrations wouldn't start until an appropriately large
>> audience
>> of press arrived. And the infamous al-Dura incident looks more and more
>> like it was actually an elaborate set up.
>>
>> What one sees and hears is also very dependent in the territories on the
>> fixer one inevitably hires. There is a whole of flotilla of Palestinian
>> pros who have been trained for the express purpose of squiring foreign
>> press
>> around and, as they put it, "making sure they get the Palestinian
>> story"--which essentially always meant the PLO/P.A. Arafat regime story.
>> I
>> couldn't afford a pro so I drafted a complete neophyte into service. He
>> was
>> very bright, multi-lingual and had grown up in Ramallah but he was not
>> schooled in the art of taking foreign journalists on Potemkin tours so he
>> just said what he thought.
>>
>> Instead of visiting officials and pundits we went broke up our long
>> drives
>> with visits to his family and friends who were scattered all over the
>> West
>> Bank. I think I got a far more nuanced view this way. The one thing I
>> got
>> earfuls of was the rage on "the Arab street" at Yasser Arafat. The PA
>> leadership were crooks, Mafiosi. One restaurant owner even demanded that
>> I
>> tell him why the US had not "taken out Arafat" (who he called a crook.)
>> "You take out Sadaam; why not Arafat!," he said in an injured tone.
>>
>> It was a bizarre experience because the mainstream media was still (this
>> was
>> fall of 2002) calling Arafat "the voice of the Palestinian people", "the
>> symbol of their aspirations" and so on. What a joke! Mostly I heard
>> rage.
>> Anyone who spent significant time away from the smooth talkers of Fatah
>> and
>> the P.A.--was not surprised by the Hamas win and also not all that
>> distressed by it.
>>
>> FP: You are not distressed by the Hamas victory? You think Hamas is not
>> that
>> bad?
>>
>> Gutmann: Oh they are that bad. If you want to see evil personified watch
>> the otherwise-pretty obnoxious-documentary directed by Death in Gaza. The
>> director is Afghani which makes her look Arab and so she was able to gain
>> the trust of a Hamas cell which let her in to film what amounts to a
>> recruiting session of boys about age nine. They use every repulsive
>> indoctrination technique in the book--they hug them, chuck them under the
>> chin, let them play with automatic rifles and then send them out to be
>> used
>> to do advance work for attacks.
>>
>> But I do not think the Palestinian rank and file, by and large, are on
>> the
>> same page as Hamas. They had a huge desire to punish Fatah/the PA, they
>> wanted just distribution of aid money. If there had been a viable
>> alternative to Hamas, they would have voted for it. I do not believe
>> that
>> ordinary Palestinians voted for Hamas for the most anti-Zionist part of
>> its
>> platform.
>>
>> In the end Hamas will do them no good and another one of the tragedies of
>> the area is that if the international press corps had done its duty and
>> exposed the corruption of the PA (I don't mean just a story here and a
>> story
>> there) but really hammered it the way they hammered, say, Abu Gharib, the
>> Palestinians wouldn't have been stuck with this terrible choice.
>>
>> FP: So in some ways, the victory of Islamo-Fascists in the Palestinian
>> parliamentary elections is the child of the media?
>>
>> Gutmann: Yes, in a way, the foreign press used the Palestinian rank and
>> file
>> for their own ends--to appear as stock figures in their passion
>> play--just
>> as the governments of other Arab states have.
>>
>> FP: In general, why do you think anti-Semitism and Israel-Hatred has
>> become
>> such a chic and cutting-edge thing for the Left and the mainstream media?
>>
>> Gutmann: This is complicated question--because the motivations of left
>> wing
>> media and mainstream media are different. Anti-Zionism has been a
>> standard
>> part of the leftist platform since at least the early seventies But
>> there
>> is a sort of more banal evil operating in the MSM. I can't go into all
>> of
>> it here (you will have to read my book.)
>>
>>
>>
>> But one of the reasons that Israel is routinely crucified is that
>> journalists take the path of least resistance in the quest for a "good
>> story"--defined as one with blood, human conflict, striking visuals and
>> an
>> extractable up/down, bad/good story line. The dirty little secret of the
>> media war is that Israel is an extremely easy place to place bureaus so
>> you
>> can get a steady pipeline of that kind of story. Here's an example: Ted
>> Koppel had a big success in the 80s with a Nightline series on South
>> African
>> apartheid. Naturally after he'd fixed South Africa--as he seems to be
>> suggesting in the memoir where he explains all this--he began looking
>> around
>> for "the next South Africa", "another conflict with international
>> relevance,
>> with complexities.and with parties willing to debate" "I suppose
>> theoretically we could have done something with the Iranians and the
>> Iraqis," he muses, "but that would have been such a huge problem in terms
>> of
>> language and such a huge problem in terms of getting permission to travel
>> around the country and shoot." (Not to mention the problem of having
>> your
>> reporters kidnapped and shot and so on.)
>>
>> One day while watching rioting Palestinians facing IDF soldiers on TV he
>> had
>> an A-ha! Moment: He decided he had "found South Africa II.It was Israel.
>> The equivalent of Bishop Tutu versus Foreign Minister Botha would be the
>> Palestinians versus the Israelis."
>>
>> A writer in the Columbia Journalism Review rhapsodized that the
>> Israeli/Palestinian conflict "is a beat that commands world attention
>> and .offers reporters unparalleled exposure" with the added advantage
>> that
>> war correspondents "don't need to travel far.the West Bank city of
>> Bethlehem
>> is only a ten minute drive from Jerusalem" (And the Santa Monica-like,
>> tree-lined streets of its German Quarter where so many foreign press
>> live.)
>> His friend Jennifer Griffin of Fox News, for example, the CJR writer
>> crows,
>> "has managed a feat that would be impossible anywhere else, to be a war
>> correspondent and a new mother." "It's a nine to five war you can cover
>> and
>> still be home in time for dinner at night, said Griffith. "I've gone out
>> the door with a flak jacket and a breast pump."
>>
>> FP: Stephanie Gutmann, thank you for joining us today.
>>
>> Gutmann: Thank you Jamie.
>>
>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21764
>>
>>
>
>> Gutmann is a racist Goy-hater,
>
> That is funny coming from an idiotic Jew hater like you.
>
> supporter of Kach terrorists and is a
>> outright liar who has been debunked so many times I'm surprised you
>> even bother reposting such obvious garbage.
>
> Where was the debunking dickweed? Your imagination?
YES!!! Our boy is back!!!!
>
>
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TOPIC: Spitting On Our Friends, Slobbering Over Our Enemies
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/afe720449597dd0f
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 1:31 am
From: "DoD"
One thing must be noted at the outset - Not only is there nothing
authentically Jewish about the agenda of the Jewish Left - It is, in fact,
anti-Jewish in every detail. It rejects Torah-based morality, sanctions
Muslim and left-wing anti-Semitism and champions causes that would lead to
the extinction of the Jewish people - not to mention the end of
civilization.
OK, now I'll tell you what I really think.
Though they occasionally try to justify themselves with vague references to
what they call "Jewish tradition" - and often include in their ranks those
to whom the title "rabbi" is misapplied - there is nothing remotely Jewish
about their worldview.
By Jewish left, I mean those occupying the modest territory to the left of
the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and Reform Judaism's Religious Action
Center.
Which brings me to an article in the influential Jewish Forward by E. J.
Kessler, published on March 17th ("Activists Prepare for New Church-State
Battle").
The Forward quotes me on the upcoming War On Christians Conference (March
27-28), where I'll be speaking on a panel called - "Jews Confront The War On
Christians," along with Rabbi Aryeh Spero, Michael Horowitz (a Hudson
Institute scholar), and Joseph Ben Ami of the Institute for Canadian Values.
For an opposing point of view, the Forward presented a website called Jews
on First! - whose self-proclaimed mission is to "expose the intimidation"
tactics of "right-wing Christian fundamentalists." (As opposed to
middle-of-the-road Christian fundamentalists? But then Jewish leftists have
always been big on verbal overkill.)
The Forward says Jews on First! (love that exclamation point) was formed to
"expose and counter the people at the March 27-28 conference." The site is
the joint project of Jane Hunter ("a one-time Pacifica Radio journalist and
longtime leftist organizer") and Rabbi Chaim Dov Beliak.
Point of information: California-based Pacifica Radio makes the rest of
Public Radio look like the Rush Limbaugh Show. In June of 2003, Pacifica's
KPFK-FM in Los Angeles hosted a 32-hour marathon by one Dr. Kwanku
Person-Lynn (could I make up something like this?) called "African Mental
Liberation Weekend."
Among other liberating factoids, Person-Lynn claimed Jews ran the slave
trade and that Jews and white gentiles were "the pale horse (of Revelation)
with Death as its rider and Hell close behind" - probably not intended as a
compliment. These reflections were interspersed with pre-recorded ravings of
the always informative Louis ("Judaism is a gutter religion") Farrakhan.
How proud Ms. Hunter must be of her association with Pacifica. And what
excellent credentials for putting oneself forward as a defender of the
Jewish people.
Jews on First! and its allies - Tikkun Magazine, Michael Lerner, Noam
Chomsky, Barbra Streisand, Ed Asner, etc. - might be called the Left's
kvetching amen corner.
The site warns of the "intimidation of judges by Christian fundamentalists."
By "intimidation" it means - criticism, analysis, reform proposals - really,
anything other then acting like a puppy that wants its belly rubbed, in the
face of judicial assaults on representative government.
Among other smears, Jews On First! accuses Focus on the Family of "an
anti-Semitic attack on (a) federal appeals judge."
Focus is headed by Dr. James Dobson (who would bleed for Israel, if it came
to it). The anti-Semitic outrage in question? The February issue of the
organization's Citizen magazine contains a cover story on Appeals Court
Judge Stephen Reinhardt (think Ruth Bader Ginsburg on crack cocaine), who,
in a recent ruling, said parental rights stop at the school house door.
Reinhardt also wants to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance.
According to Jews On First!, the Focus publication "unnecessarily called
attention to the fact that Judge Reinhardt is Jewish in a way we find
offensively anti-Semitic." (To wit: It interviewed his ex-wife, who observed
that Reinhardt "thinks about his Jewish heritage a lot.") Oh, no, say it ain't
so!
How I wish all of the long, bloody, history of Jew-hatred amounted to no
more than this. Imagine the stereotypical Nazi from central casting in a bad
B-movie, telling his victim: "Ve haf vays of unnecessarily calling attention
to the fact that you are Jewish." Not exactly "Schindler's List" stuff.
The site also denounces another stalwart friend of Israel, Pat Robertson,
for calling Islam "satanic."
Now, let's see:
a.. The imam who's paid $76,600 a year to serve as a chaplain for New York
City's correctional system rails against Zionist control of the media;
b.. French Muslims fire-bomb synagogues, and Jewish day schools;
c.. a French Jew named Ilan Halimi is kidnapped and tortured to death by a
Muslim street gang;
d.. the president of Iran says Israel "should be wiped off the map;"
e.. Saudi clerics preach the annihilation of Jews (calling us "the
descendants of pigs and apes");
f.. Egyptian television serializes a dramatization of "The Protocols of
The Elders of Zion";
g.. Syrian President Basher al-Assad told Pope John Paul II that Jews "try
to kill all principles of divine faiths with the same mentality of betraying
Jesus Christ and torturing Him"; and
h.. the party that constitutes the new government of the Palestinian
Authority boasts that its minions drink the blood of Jews.
...And Jewish leftists run around denouncing Pat Robertson for saying mean
things about the religion that introduced "jihad" into our political
vocabulary? (On the other hand, no Moslem publication has unnecessarily
called attention to the fact that Judge Stephen Reinhardt is Jewish. So
there's still hope for universal brotherhood and understanding.)
By the way, with his "satanic" observation, Robertson joins that hoary
hate-monger Winston Churchill, who said of Islam, "No stronger retrograde
force exists in the world." Britain's World War II prime minister also
admonished that the religion of peace was a breeding ground for "improvident
habits," "a degraded sensualism," and a "murderous fanaticism" - as well as
for exerting an influence that "paralyzes social development."
Would you like to know just how dogmatically reality-disconnected the Jewish
Left is? On March 13th, FrontPageMagazine.com ran a story by David Meir-Levi
noting that an organization called Brit Tzedek v'Shalom (the so-called
Covenant of Justice and Peace) has assembled 387 RINOS (rabbis in name only)
who've signed a petition opposing a move in Congress to cut off aid to the
Hamas-led Palestinian Authority.
The Hamas Covenant - which says the end-times will unfold after every Jew on
earth dies - recently posted a video on its website where a suicide bomber
in-waiting joyfully proclaimed: "My message to the loathed Jews is that
there is no God but Allah...We are a nation that drinks blood; and we know
that there is no better blood than the blood of Jews."
No matter how murderously psychotic its legions, Palestinian statehood is an
article of faith for the Left.
If Palestinian Muslims donned SS uniforms and began building gas chambers
and crematoria, the Jewish Left would still want to "maintain a dialogue"
with them, greased with millions from U.S. taxpayers, as they raged at the
Christian Right for wanting to display the Ten Commandments and ban gay
marriage. My generation had a term for this: "mind-boggling."
Writing in The Jewish Press on December 14, 2005 ("The Real Reason Liberal
Jews Fear Evangelical Christians'), Levi Sokolic asks: "What is it that many
Jews really fear from the perceived power of the Christian Right? They fear
for the secular, leftist causes, beliefs, practices and values they espouse
and hold dear. But then, Torah Judaism is even stronger in its opposition to
what secular Jews believe and how they define themselves."
Abortion, gay marriage, mainstreaming homosexuality, feminism, radical
secularism (a religion-sanitized public square), philo-Islamacism - this is
the "Torah" of the Jewish Left. Its fear and loathing of Christian
conservatives is driven by their opposition to said agenda.
At least the Nazis hated Jews for the right reason: because they perceived
authentic Judaism as the principal moral force opposed to their values. The
Jewish Left hates Christian conservatives for upholding Jewish values. It's
almost funny - in a sick sort of way.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21753
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TOPIC: WSJ: Why Not Liberate the American Worker
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/dff0702be9d23a69
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 1:31 am
From: George Grapman
tmurf.1 wrote:
> When the non-union company has to pay more to keep his people that
> helps make unionized companies more competitive. It levels the playing
> field. In fact I know of several construction jobs that were picketed
> and the contractor gave his guys a raise but the men knew that we
> actually got the money for them. Most of those guys are now in my
> union and they are very good union men because they have first hand
> knowledge of the sharp contrast in working conditions and pay and
> benefits from their old boss compared to the new ones.
>
If you belong to a union one of two things happened:
You knew it was union when you took the job.
After you were hired a majority of your co-workers voted for a union.
--
To reply via e-mail please delete 1 c from paccbell
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TOPIC: Payback is a bitch!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b7caf52f2439b314
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 5:36 pm
From: Sheldon Levine
> Frank Arthur sound like Christian name to me you Parasite Bastard.
> SJ
>
filthy muslim child molester. We jews piss in your prophet's gouged out eye
socket. ROFL!
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 5:36 pm
From: Sheldon Levine
> What give you the filthy right to question his religion you filthy =
> Parasite. You are Frank Arthur, you Shit Shlomo.
> SJ
>
We own you shitslave arab camelcum drinkers
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 5:38 pm
From: Sheldon Levine
> If they are in fact Jews, may they burn in hell is far as I am =
> concerned. Fuck every Jew walking this earth.
> SJ
>
We will nuke Mecca and take possession of your women. We will kill every
muslim male on the planet. ROFLMAO!
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 5:39 pm
From: Sheldon Levine
> King David was a true Homosexual.
>
As are you. How many men have you had sex with? 100 how many boys? 10
how many women? 0
Hahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahhahhahaahahhhhhaaaaaa!
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TOPIC: The Emerging Jewish Consensus in Israel
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/756dc1f711a4d8e4
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 8:36 pm
From: "serwad"
"The State Department (formerly DoD)" <neo-liberal@weHATEbush.org> wrote in
message news:VjBUf.6617$a97.2649@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
> 41% of Israeli Jews Want Apartheid-Style Recreation Facilities; 68% Don't
> Want to Live Next to an Arab
SOUNDS VERY MUCH LIKE THE NAZI GERMANY. NAZIS DID NOT WANT TO LIVE NEXT
DOOR TO JEWS EITHER!
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 1:38 am
From: "DoD"
"serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:3%HUf.1043$Pe.429@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>
> "The State Department (formerly DoD)" <neo-liberal@weHATEbush.org> wrote
> in message news:VjBUf.6617$a97.2649@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
>> 41% of Israeli Jews Want Apartheid-Style Recreation Facilities; 68% Don't
>> Want to Live Next to an Arab
> SOUNDS VERY MUCH LIKE THE NAZI GERMANY. NAZIS DID NOT WANT TO LIVE NEXT
> DOOR TO JEWS EITHER!
Well, you are in usual form Alex.... You were a nazi....
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TOPIC: HAMAS WILL NOT RECOGNIZE ISRAEL
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/da913de7b1259171
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 1:49 am
From: "DoD"
"We are asked to recognize Israel. We can do so but we will not," announced
Hamas political chief Khaled Meshaal on Monday. He spoke in response to
requests by the international community, including some Arab leaders, to
negotiate with the Jewish state.
But Meshaal said no to Sheik Salman bin Hamad Al Khalifa, the crown prince
of Bahrain, and no to Palestinian Authority president Mahmud Abbas, and no
to U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and no to the European
Community, all of whom would like Hamas to a.) recognize Israel, b.)
renounce its "armed struggle," i.e. terrorism, and c.) respect agreements
with the Jewish state. But as of Monday, Meshaal was of the view that, on
the contrary, the world should utilize the unexpected Hamas win in the
Palestinian elections "for Arab and Islamic benefits."
"Do you need anyone to exert pressure? Let Hamas be your pressuring arm,"
Meshaal was quoted as saying.
Now all this was predictable, and it would be hardly worth mentioning if it
weren't for commentators and not just commentators but political leaders
asserting periodically that the Middle East impasse is due to Israeli
intransigence or worse, to "personalities."
Four years ago, for instance, the media took it in its collective head that
the Palestinian-Israeli conflict was nothing but a grudge-match between two
old man, Yasser Arafat and Ariel Sharon.
Even some of the Israeli press bought into this hogwash back in 2002.
"Twenty years after Arafat and Sharon faced off during the siege of West
Beirut, the two old men are confronting each other once again," offered
Ehud Ya'ari in THE JERUSALEM REPORT MAGAZINE. U.S. President George W. Bush
himself seems to have had an idea that as THE GUARDIAN's Robin Lustig put
it at the time "This is the OK Corral. Two old men are facing each other
down. It's personal, and it goes back a long way."
As sheriff, Bush dispatched his then-deputy, Secretary of State Colin
Powell, to the OK Corral four years ago that is, to Arafat's besieged
compound at Ramallah with instructions to disarm the two cowboys. Bush
implied that much as Israel was being wronged by terrorists, the world
community couldn't let its leader, Sharon, take the law into his own
hands.
On April 4, 2002, in his Rose Garden speech announcing Powell's mission,
the president waxed lyrical about giving peace a chance:
"America itself counts former adversaries as trusted friends Germany and
Japan and now Russia," he said. "Conflict is not inevitable. Distrust need
not be permanent. Peace is possible when we break free of old patterns and
habits of hatred."
What Bush failed to mention was that Germany had been flattened and
de-Nazified before it became America's trusted friend; imperial Japan had
been nuked, and Soviet Russia had imploded. The friendship of these nations
was preceded by a complete collapse and fundamental restructuring of their
respective societies.
One wishes the Mideast conflict were just a grudge match between two old
men. If it were, it would be over. Arafat is dead and buried, and Sharon is
dead without being buried after a massive stroke left him in a coma. If it
had been their private war, or anything close to it, now there would be
peace.
Unfortunately, the Mideast conflict has never been a grudge-match between
individuals. It has been a war between the Jewish state and those who have
been rejecting it for the past 58 years, which is most of the Arab/Muslim
world. Despite Bush's uplifting speech, Powell probably didn't go to
Ramallah in 2002 as Neville Chamberlain went to Munich in 1938, with the
lofty hope for "peace in our time." Powell was hoping only for a permit
from the Arab world to wage his own war in peace. He wanted to finish a job
in Iraq he left unfinished a decade ago.
No doubt, Powell and Bush were aware that before adversaries become trusted
friends they need to be defeated perhaps not "flattened" or "nuked" (one
hopes) but decisively defeated and that Iraq couldn't be America's friend
without a complete makeover following a victorious war. If then. If at
all.
The same is true of Israel and its enemies except one war wouldn't be
enough. Israel had already fought four (or five, or six, counting Lebanon
and the Intifadas.) Peace is no giveaway. It doesn't come in a cereal box.
It's usually a dividend of victory or defeat. That's why it's the dearest
thing there is.
http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/19412
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TOPIC: A vital safe guard....we do things our way
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/157fea714be95938
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 5:52 pm
From: "Bad boy"
"Boh Bian" <bohbian@bohbianmium.net.hi> wrote in message
news:442339db$1@news.starhub.net.sg...
> What if she, the wife of your buddy, can always find another auditor job
> again in another audit firm in which she will not in a position to
> influence
> any busienss thta may be involve in their tender of jobs with any Govt or
> GLC work after her hunsband had been appointed the CEO job?.
>
To prevent such furture appointment, the candidates
for jobs in GLC are required to give names, employment
details, and other business data of his close relatives.
(Ban Sund, the original poster, objected to this safeguard.)
> And how about the Pm became minister of MOF and his wife did not resign
> from
> temasak that reprot to him in the mof ?.
>
The CEO of Temasek reports to the Board of
Temasek....NOT the PM
Relationship with anyone in the government body
is not affected by this ruling. It is absurd to suggest
that if your relatives work as a big shot in the government,
you cannot work in GLCs or any companies.
There are more stringent safeguards to prevent corruptions
in such relationship.
Bad boy
"Ban Sund" <Bansundkomana@knana.com.li> wrote in message
news:4422b2e5$1@news.starhub.net.sg...
> By the way, out of curiosity, I went to the recruitment section - see web
> link of this;:
> http://www.temasekholdings.com.sg/careers/forms/Recuitment%20Application%20F
> orm.doc
>
> that in the job application form, it also ask for detail other than the
> applicant. It wants to know the detail of your parents, siblings, and
> spouse, and their occupation and name of company, and children names, if
> any.
>
> Does this mean there is a selection criteria on these information, too -
> like choosing applicant whose parents are in high jobs with certain psots
> and so on?
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 5:54 pm
From: "Bad boy"
"Dave Baker" <newsgroup_poster@jodael.com> wrote in message
news:4jh622hssj6i3ov238q1k4tin6v4pr6qnm@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 07:48:56 +0800, "Bad boy" <badboy_sinland@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>In the Singapore culture, it is vital that top
>>jobs are not given to people which can be
>>exploited for corruption.
>
> Would Thaksin get a job as P.M.? :-)
Learn to debate first....before you ask a question!
Bad boy.
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TOPIC: IDF Establishes "Israeli Only" Crossings
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d425dd2b4ca68cf0
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 5:55 pm
From: "Norma"
"DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
news:0NHUf.14286$Eg2.8982@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> "Norma" <njb904@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:ryGUf.181$fQ7.131@fe02.lga...
> >
> > "The State Department" <neo-liberal@weHATEbush.org> wrote in message
> > news:9SEUf.6648$a97.1828@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
> >>
> >> "Norma" <njb904@charter.net> wrote in message
> >> news:MwEUf.104$sB5.59@fe03.lga...
> >> >
> >> > > Oh, I am just being a good little liberal. It was you that said
> >> > Palestinians
> >> > > are a people, and now look at how these people are being treated.
> >> > > You
> >> > seem
> >> > > to want your cake and eat it too. Well it doesn't work that way in
> >> > > the
> >> > real
> >> > > world.
> >> >
> >> > I don't see that you are a "good little liberal" at all.
> >>
> >> Sure I am ......
> >>
> >> I want the prime
> >> > body of Palestinians to get what they want, and I know that is peace
> >> > for
> >> the
> >> > majority of them. They don't have political experience or
> > sophistication
> >> > and have grabbed at straws to get the life they want. I don't think
> > they
> >> > knew the consequences of having a government led by Hamas at all.
> >>
> >> Do you really believe what you just wrote above? If I were in
> >> conservative
> >> mode I would be laughing my ass off at your train of thought. Now as a
> >> liberal I think I will believe you.
> >
> > I don't care what you believe. Nor do I care what a conservative would
> > think. I know they don't have a clue.
>
> Really? You are the one who is making excuses for the Palestinians
electing
> Hamas.
>
> Guess where I got all of these shitty articles that I have posted the
last
> few days? They certainly didn't come from conservative places. They came
> from liberal websites that do nothing but bash conservatives (and Bush)
all
> day long. Something that you and a few others here have a tendency to do.
> Nothing even constructive in your criticisms, just bash, bash, bash. And
you
> are very vague. It's your pathological hatred that is getting us in
trouble.
>
> You really think that the majority of Palestinians want peace and they
were
> naive about Hamas? Who are you trying to kid .... Norma you are so far
out
> there, you are dangerous. I am going to put you (and a few others) in
> killfile. I hope that you do the same to me..... And not the kind that you
> do to ben creamer, and then respond two weeks later. I also hope that you
> have the courtesy of staying out of any threads that I start.
>
> Thank you very much.
You are very welcome.
"Plonk"
Norma
>
>
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