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* AFGANISTAN IS HEATING UP - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6ae442c9b1901ed0
* Study: You're Wasting Your Time Praying! - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e9f4d8dfa08ede4e
* HOW TO REPORT ABUSE ON THE NET - 7 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a6101ecc3228e05e
* DESERTER SPEAKS OF U.S. ATROCITIES IN IRAQ - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/dd0400e37e5d2d45
* SOBRE LA BANDA TERCOMUNICADO DE PRENSA DEL FORO ERMUARORISTA ETA...SE PUEDE
CONFIAR EN QUIENES NUNCA HAN TENIDO UNA GOTA DE PRINCIPIOS O ETICA ???? - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d0bf2c7f5d5a9fbc
* The final end of Ali Asker the pkk a$$ - 8 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2a781502bced1f5f
* REAL conservatives need to speak up! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9c8a065dd2a7418e
* Muslim beaten to death by Hindu Mobs - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a0e2308ad9a2acf1
* "Yes, I know we have made tactical errors, thousands of them," - 1 messages,
1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/1fd619b8a15ae49c
* Let's Pick Someone Else to Lead Our Country --- Condi Admits Thousands of
Mistakes and Thousands of Lives Sacrificed in Three Years and Counting Re: "
Pick Someone Else" - Now Bush Doesn't Want Jaafari - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2a1a301ca8cfc5ec
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TOPIC: AFGANISTAN IS HEATING UP
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6ae442c9b1901ed0
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 9:14 pm
From: "captain."
"serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:Fn2Xf.564$Q8.274@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>
> "captain." <spammersmustdie@now.net> wrote in message
> news:T8YWf.16636$K11.6958@clgrps12...
>>
>> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:PjIWf.19658$67.769@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>>>
>>> "captain." <spammersmustdie@now.net> wrote in message
>>> news:vqGWf.9332$Ph4.3869@edtnps90...
>>>>
>>>> "BernardZ" <DontBother@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:MPG.1e95325e2618f6409896c3@west.Usenet-News.net...
>>>>> In article <8CrWf.974$L7.838@bignews2.bellsouth.net>,
>>>>> serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>>>>>> Afghanistan
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As a Muslim Alex what do you think about the death penalty for a
>>>>> person
>>>>> that abandoned Islam and became a Christian.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i asked him that same question and never got an answer.
>>> I TOLD YOU THAT THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION IN ISLAM. THE TRIBAL
>>> LAWS ARE STILL PRACTISED IN MANY PARTS OF THE WORLD, INCLUDING IN
>>> EUROPE. IT IS THE TRIBAL LAW THAT AFGHANIS ARE USING TO CONDEMN THE MAN,
>>> WHO HAS EVERY RIGHT TO BE WHATEVER HE WANTS TO BE
>>
>> the taliban's spring offensive has started up. time to put it down,
>> hopefully as quick as possible.
>>
>> i wonder just how many guys they have?
> Taliban is not Islam. Most muslims are opposed to Taliban, but ALL muslims
> are opposed to the occupation of any kind. You will never subdue those who
> fight for freedom of their land!
>>
what about when the freedom fighters kill civilians?
btw, serwad, the jewish film festival is in town next week. should i go see
some of the movies?
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TOPIC: Study: You're Wasting Your Time Praying!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e9f4d8dfa08ede4e
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 9:20 pm
From: ellis@no.spam ()
In article <wwfXf.43741$_S7.2347@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com>,
Val Adams <val@seedsandstems.com> wrote:
>Hey, 'studies show', the moon has no light of it's own.
No, they don't.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 4:34 pm
From: "Shirley"
<snip because I like this part here>
> Sorry to disappoint these slugs, but lacking a god and an afterlife,
> prayer is about as dumb as chicken poop!
I would rather get up every morning and thank God for one more day to be
with family and to offer up prayers for those who ask, than to thank or pray
to chicken poop (which I gather you do)....
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 1:56 pm
From: "Phxbrd"
"Shirley" <bigd1999@bellsoutj.net> wrote in message
news:lchXf.3175$L6.1313@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> <snip because I like this part here>
>
> > Sorry to disappoint these slugs, but lacking a god and an afterlife,
> > prayer is about as dumb as chicken poop!
>
> I would rather get up every morning and thank God for one more day to be
> with family and to offer up prayers for those who ask, than to thank or
pray
> to chicken poop (which I gather you do)....
Chicken poop is amazingly good fertilizer fer yer garden. It's way high in
nitrogen. Careful though, it can 'burn' if concentrated in one spot....
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TOPIC: HOW TO REPORT ABUSE ON THE NET
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a6101ecc3228e05e
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 1:21 pm
From: "gogu"
Mhitsos wrote:
> TrafalgarSquare wrote:
>
> > HOW TO REPORT "ALI ASKER":
> >
> >
> > Please file an online abuse report:
> > For each posting that violates the laws (society or usenet) please file
> > an online abuse report at this adress (you can also report anonymously):
> >
> > http://bbplus.ntlworld.com/NetReport/
> >
> >
> > This guy named "Ali Asker" is flooding the newsgroups with
> > his propaganda crap for the outlawed terror organisation p.k.k.
>
> They fight terror with terror.
> The decent think to do would be to look the other way round while the
> Turkish army is destroying Kurdish villages and life's.
Ali-Cat Arse-kerr may be a terrorist suporter but little Marxist grik
in Finlandian exile MooMoo MhutssAss is a TERRORIST SUPPORTERS
SUPPORTER !
;-))))))))))))))))))))))))
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
Coins, travels, pidjins and more:
http://pig.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://www.putfile.com/naz1gogu
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 11:30 pm
From: Panta Rhei
gogu writes:
> Mhitsos wrote:
>> TrafalgarSquare wrote:
>>
>>> HOW TO REPORT "ALI ASKER":
>>>
>>>
>>> Please file an online abuse report:
>>> For each posting that violates the laws (society or usenet) please file
>>> an online abuse report at this adress (you can also report anonymously):
>>>
>>> http://bbplus.ntlworld.com/NetReport/
>>>
>>>
>>> This guy named "Ali Asker" is flooding the newsgroups with
>>> his propaganda crap for the outlawed terror organisation p.k.k.
>>
>> They fight terror with terror.
>> The decent think to do would be to look the other way round while the
>> Turkish army is destroying Kurdish villages and life's.
>
> Ali-Cat Arse-kerr may be a terrorist suporter but little Marxist grik
> in Finlandian exile MooMoo MhutssAss is a TERRORIST SUPPORTERS
> SUPPORTER !
>
> ;-))))))))))))))))))))))))
Awww! Dumb, BITCHSLAPPED Weenie Beanie has to adopt the name of his MASTER
"gogu" again who beats the shit out him EVERY DAY.
It's his only way to cope with his fears and humiliation inflicted on him
by gogu. LOL!
What a ridiculous, retarded tURk! LMAO!
--
Living the life of a ridiculed, bitchslapped loony on usenet helps Beanie
Tinfoil forget the failures in his life.
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 1:35 pm
From: "gogu"
Mhitsos wrote:
> TrafalgarSquare wrote:
>
> > HOW TO REPORT "ALI ASKER":
> >
> >
> > Please file an online abuse report:
> > For each posting that violates the laws (society or usenet) please file
> > an online abuse report at this adress (you can also report anonymously):
> >
> > http://bbplus.ntlworld.com/NetReport/
> >
> >
> > This guy named "Ali Asker" is flooding the newsgroups with
> > his propaganda crap for the outlawed terror organisation p.k.k.
>
> They fight terror with terror.
> The decent think to do would be to look the other way round while the
> Turkish army is destroying Kurdish villages and life's.
> >
> > He says that he is a terrorist.
>
> Who want's to end torture.
> Which means that he hates Turkish culture and custom.
> > He supports, or is even a
> > member of an outlowed terrorist organization.
>
> Instead of supporting the lawful mass murdering Turkish army.
> >
> > He posts manipulated news articles,
>
> Instead of posting truthful Turkish nazi propaganda.
> > calls for war, spreads hate speech.
>
> Yeah, he wants to end torture the bastard.
> >
> > He is in the UK.
> >
> > As can be seen he is blatantly violating national and international laws,
> > but it seems this guy is somehow protected by a "high" british location.
>
> Mountains?
> >
> > He clearly misuses the Usenet for posting mass propaganda (he crossposts into 10+ groups).
>
> Then killfile him
> >
> >
> >
> > Please file your online abuse report at the above adress.
>
> He is abusing the rights of the Turkish government to abuse human rights.
> >
> >
> >
>
> At least he is using the same alias every time so you can easily
> killfile him.
> Not so with you. You change your alias all the time and hide your IP
> address most of the time too.
*LOLOL*
Look who's talking
Post your name and address, brave anonymous troll, or SHUT THE FACK UP
bickering little MooMoo
;-))))))))))))))))))))))))
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
Coins, travels, pidjins and more:
http://pig.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://www.putfile.com/naz1gogu
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 11:38 pm
From: Panta Rhei
gogu writes:
<snip the retarded Turk's usual drivel>
Awww! Dumb, BITCHSLAPPED Weenie Beanie has to adopt the name of his MASTER
"gogu" again who beats the shit out him EVERY DAY.
It's his only way to cope with his fears and humiliation inflicted on him
by gogu. LOL!
What a ridiculous, retarded tURk! LMAO!
--
Living the life of a ridiculed, bitchslapped loony on usenet helps Beanie
Tinfoil forget the failures in his life.
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 1 2006 12:43 am
From: Mhitsos
gogu wrote:
> Mhitsos wrote:
>
>>TrafalgarSquare wrote:
>>
>>
>>>HOW TO REPORT "ALI ASKER":
>>>
>>>
>>>Please file an online abuse report:
>>>For each posting that violates the laws (society or usenet) please file
>>>an online abuse report at this adress (you can also report anonymously):
>>>
>>> http://bbplus.ntlworld.com/NetReport/
>>>
>>>
>>>This guy named "Ali Asker" is flooding the newsgroups with
>>>his propaganda crap for the outlawed terror organisation p.k.k.
>>
>>They fight terror with terror.
>>The decent think to do would be to look the other way round while the
>>Turkish army is destroying Kurdish villages and life's.
>>
>>>He says that he is a terrorist.
>>
>>Who want's to end torture.
>>Which means that he hates Turkish culture and custom.
>>
>>>He supports, or is even a
>>>member of an outlowed terrorist organization.
>>
>>Instead of supporting the lawful mass murdering Turkish army.
>>
>>>He posts manipulated news articles,
>>
>>Instead of posting truthful Turkish nazi propaganda.
>>
>>>calls for war, spreads hate speech.
>>
>>Yeah, he wants to end torture the bastard.
>>
>>>He is in the UK.
>>>
>>>As can be seen he is blatantly violating national and international laws,
>>>but it seems this guy is somehow protected by a "high" british location.
>>
>>Mountains?
>>
>>>He clearly misuses the Usenet for posting mass propaganda (he crossposts into 10+ groups).
>>
>>Then killfile him
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Please file your online abuse report at the above adress.
>>
>>He is abusing the rights of the Turkish government to abuse human rights.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>At least he is using the same alias every time so you can easily
>>killfile him.
>>Not so with you. You change your alias all the time and hide your IP
>>address most of the time too.
>
>
>
> *LOLOL*
>
> Look who's talking
>
> Post your name and address, brave anonymous troll, or SHUT THE FACK UP
> bickering little MooMoo
Look who is talking. The nazi troll who is using 100+ aliases and
different servers to post to the same news groups.
Often replying to his own messages.
Often copying the aliases of other posters.
>
> ;-))))))))))))))))))))))))
>
>
> --
>
>
> E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
> in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
> puttane! F.d.A
>
>
> Coins, travels, pidjins and more:
> http://pig.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
> http://www.putfile.com/naz1gogu
>
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 11:57 pm
From: Panta Rhei
TrafalgarSquare writes:
> Please file your online abuse report at the above adress.
<BG> The usual, ridiculous Turkish idiot! Usenet laughs at dumb Turks of
your sort!
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 2:11 pm
From: "gogu"
TrafalgarSquare wrote:
> HOW TO REPORT "ALI ASKER":
>
>
> Please file an online abuse report:
> For each posting that violates the laws (society or usenet) please file
> an online abuse report at this adress (you can also report anonymously):
>
> http://bbplus.ntlworld.com/NetReport/
Here is a correctly worded abuse report
Reports should also be sent to Belfast Police Anti-Terrorism squad
http://www.psni.police.uk
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The usenet posting below is supporting and gloryfying an
internationally outlawed terrorist organisation known as the PKK and a
convicted terrorist leader Abdullah "Apo" Ocalan who was tried and
convicted for the murder of more than 30,000 Kurdish Turks in Turkey
The PKK are a Marxist terrorist group that are Proscribed as such by
the British government under the terroism act 2000 for proof of this
please visit the official home office list of outlawed terror groups at
the link shown below
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/security/terrorism-and-the-law/terrorism-act/proscribed-groups
The overt support for, and the glorification of, terrorist groups is an
arrestable offence under the terrorism act 2000, uder this act, police
have powers to question and hold suspects without charge for an
indefinate period
In addition, this cross-posted usenet posting is in violation of you
AUP
Failure to prevent pro terrorist propaganda being spread via your
servers may be construed as knowingly aiding and abetting terrorist
activity
Please act swiftly to prevent this blatant illegality
Thank you
Path:
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From: "Ali Asker" <pasa_as...@kurdistan.kd>
Newsgroups:
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Subject: PICTURES FROM THE KURDISH UPRISING IN TURKEY
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Please click the pictures to enlarge them..
http://www.firatnews.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=6765
LONG LIVE PKK!!!
LONG LIVE LEADER APO!!!
LONG LIVE BROTHERHOOD OF THE PEOPLE ALL AROUND THE WORLD!!!
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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TOPIC: DESERTER SPEAKS OF U.S. ATROCITIES IN IRAQ
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/dd0400e37e5d2d45
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 9:22 pm
From: "captain."
this story did make the news in canada. whether or not it is all true is not
for me to judge but for once spermy did post a real story.
"serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:TJ_Wf.2815$L7.897@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> War deserter tells of atrocities
>
> By ANDREW DAVIDSON
>
>
>
>
>
> TORONTO (CP) - A "trigger-happy" U.S. army squad leader shot the foot off
> an unarmed Iraqi man and soldiers kicked a severed head around like a
> soccer ball, a U.S. war deserter told an Immigration and Refugee Board
> hearing Thursday.
>
> Joshua Key, the first U.S. deserter with combat experience in Iraq to
> apply for refugee status in Canada, told the board he witnessed numerous
> atrocities committed by U.S. forces while serving eight months as a combat
> engineer.
>
> Key, 27, said he was never trained on the Geneva Convention and was told
> in Iraq by superior officers that the international law guiding
> humanitarian standards was just a "guideline."
>
> "It's shoot first, ask questions later," Key said of his squad's guiding
> principles. "Everything's justified."
>
> Key is one of five members of the U.S. armed forces asking for asylum in
> Canada.
>
> But the Oklahoma native is unique in that he is the only applicant that
> has combat experience in Iraq, said Key's lawyer, Jeffry House. The other
> are seeking asylum in Canada to avoid being sent there, he said.
>
> "He has boots-on-the-ground experience about what the actual conduct of
> the war in Iraq is," House said outside the hearing.
>
> With visible bags under his eyes, Key told the hearing he suffers from
> post-traumatic stress disorder and frequently has nightmares over what he
> witnessed in Iraq.
>
> He recalled participating in almost nightly raids on homes of suspected
> insurgents in Ramadi and Fallujah as a member of the 43rd Combat Engineer
> Company.
>
> He said that while the raids seldom turned up anything of interest, he
> often saw soldiers ransack the homes and steal jewelry or money, while
> superior officers looked the other way.
>
> He also said several Iraqis were shot dead, and that they were cases of
> soldiers "shooting out of fear and inventing reasons afterward."
>
> In Ramadi, Key said he saw the beheaded bodies of four Iraqis beside a
> shot-up truck and witnessed several members of the Florida National Guard
> kick a severed head "like a soccer ball."
>
> Key also said he witnessed one of his "trigger happy" platoon's squad
> sergeants shoot part of an unarmed Iraqi man's foot off in Khaldia, a
> village between Fallujah and Ramadi. The man was sitting on a chair
> outside a store and had raised his foot as a sign of disrespect, he said.
>
> Key added he was never questioned about the incident and was not aware of
> any charges being laid.
>
> Keith Brennenstuhl, the IRB member overseeing the hearing, ruled at an
> earlier hearing that the board would not consider the legality of the
> U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.
>
> Key also described seeing U.S. soldiers indiscriminately kick and scream
> at two hooded and naked detainees while escorting them to a grassy area to
> relieve themselves.
>
> Brennenstuhl asked Key whether he received any interrogation training
> before dragging detainees out of their homes during raids.
>
> "The only thing we were told was how to keep them quiet," Key said,
> explaining that soldiers cuffed prisoners' hands behind their backs and
> put hoods over their heads.
>
> "Could they breathe?" Brennenstuhl asked.
>
> "I guess it wasn't my concern," Key responded, adding that officers said
> the hoods were designed "to humiliate them."
>
> Key, the father of four young children, told the hearing he joined the
> army for steady pay and medical coverage for his family. He said he
> initially went to Iraq as a willing participant because he believed U.S.
> intelligence claims that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.
>
> But Key became disillusioned with the war during his service and decided
> to abandon his contract with the army during a two-week leave from Iraq in
> November 2003.
>
> He and his family lived on the run in Philadelphia before crossing the
> border at Niagara Falls, N.Y., on March 3, 2005.
>
> Key now works as a welder in Fort St. John, B.C. He and his wife Brandi
> have four children between the ages of seven months and six years.
>
> If returned to the United States, Key said he believed the army would
> "make an example" of him as a way to deter other possible deserters.
>
> Lawyers from all parties will submit their written submissions in the
> coming weeks before the board rules on Key's application.
>
>
>
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TOPIC: SOBRE LA BANDA TERCOMUNICADO DE PRENSA DEL FORO ERMUARORISTA ETA...SE
PUEDE CONFIAR EN QUIENES NUNCA HAN TENIDO UNA GOTA DE PRINCIPIOS O ETICA ????
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d0bf2c7f5d5a9fbc
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 11:22 pm
From: "Repollas"
Tú que sabras Martori.
Ni entiendes de tu pueblo.
Y te atreves a opinar del Pais Vasco.
"PM" <pedro1940@progression.net> escribió en el mensaje
news:gHdVf.7867$qX6.301198@news20.bellglobal.com...
> SOBRE LA BANDA TERCOMUNICADO DE PRENSA DEL FORO ERMUARORISTA ETA...SE
> PUEDE
> CONFIAR EN QUIENES NUNCA HAN TENIDO UNA GOTA DE PRINCIPIOS O ETICA ????
>
>
> COMUNICADO DE PRENSA DEL FORO ERMUA
>
> El "alto el fuego permanente" de ETA es un nuevo engaño. Sólo cabe que ETA
> anuncie su disolución y los terroristas se entreguen a la Justicia
>
> Bilbao. 22 de marzo, 2006. Hace unas pocas horas la organización
> terrorista
> ETA ha distribuido un Comunicado anunciando que a partir de pasado mañana,
> viernes, declarará un "alto el fuego permanente".
>
> Cabe destacar del comunicado de ETA los siguientes elementos:
>
> 1º- En ningún momento se anuncia el abandono de las armas, ni la
> renuncia
> al terrorismo como instrumento de acción política, ni la disolución de la
> banda terrorista.
>
> 2º- No se renuncia, ni siquiera temporalmente, a la extorsión, al
> aprovisionamiento para futuras acciones terroristas, ni al terrorismo
> callejero.
>
> 3º.- ETA sigue exigiendo concesiones políticas que resultan
> absolutamente
> inasumibles para una democracia y que, en particular, no tienen encaje
> alguno en la Constitución española. El comunicado está redactado en
> términos
> imperativos a los cuales, con calculada ambigüedad, supedita la
> permanencia
> del alto el fuego.
>
> Esta es la quinta "tregua" de cierta duración que ETA ha anunciado desde
> 1988, cuando lo hizo "con objeto de negociar una salida pactada al
> conflicto vasco". El último alto el fuego, hecho público en septiembre de
> 1998, le denominó ETA "tregua indefinida y sin condiciones", tras la
> revuelta popular de Ermua en el País Vasco y en toda España contra el
> asesinato de Miguel Ángel Blanco en julio del año anterior, lo que les
> colocó en una situación de enorme debilidad y aislamiento. Esta tregua,
> como
> las anteriores, terminó con una nueva brutal campaña de asesinatos, que
> comenzó por el teniente coronel Blanco, siguió por Fernando Buesa y su
> escolta y continuó con decenas de muertos más.
>
> ETA no es y no puede ser un interlocutor político legítimo. No hay nada
> que
> negociar con la banda terrorista más allá de su entrega a los tribunales y
> su disolución. No puede haber premio ni recompensa por dejar de matar.
>
> Por otra parte, la experiencia y los términos del comunicado, nos obligan
> a
> desconfiar de las intenciones de ETA. La banda terrorista pretende
> debilitar
> la acción del Estado, hacer desistir de las convicciones democráticas a la
> sociedad y aprovechar para rearmarse y recomponer su entramado tanto en el
> ámbito institucional, como en su capacidad asesina, tratando así de
> superar
> su actual debilidad. Un mero "alto el fuego permanente" no cambia
> sustancialmente nada, es una mera declaración sin carácter definitivo que
> hay que interpretar como una acción táctica de la banda, la cual mantiene
> el
> chantaje terrorista condicionando su tregua a la asunción de sus objetivos
> políticos, igual que hizo en las anteriores cinco treguas.
>
> Los términos del comunicado, después de casi 40 años de actividad
> criminal,
> de la concesión -en octubre de 1977- de una amnistía general a
> absolutamente
> todos los presos de ETA, incluidos los condenados por delitos de sangre y
> de
> encontrarse en un momento de máxima debilidad, son inaceptables y deben
> ser
> rechazados por la democracia española. Los españoles ya hicimos un gran
> esfuerzo de generosidad en el nacimiento de nuestro Estado de Derecho, que
> ETA no respetó en lo más mínimo.
>
> Por ello, para que se pueda entrar en una negociación con ETA, deben
> cumplirse cuatro condiciones:
>
> -- Que ETA proclame su intención de disolverse de manera inmediata y
> definitiva como organización,
>
> -- Que anuncie que los terroristas huidos ya condenados o con causas
> pendientes, procesados o imputados, se entregarán a corto plazo a la
> Justicia del Estado,
>
> -- Que ETA se comprometa a hacer entrega verificable de las armas y
> explosivos, y
>
> -- Que ETA declare que pone fin de manera inmediata a la extorsión, al
> terrorismo callejero y a cualquier uso de la violencia en todas sus
> facetas.
>
>
> Cuarenta años de sufrir la brutalidad y los reiterados engaños de ETA han
> enseñado a los ciudadanos vascos y a los del resto de España a no confiar
> en
> las medias palabras de estos criminales, a no dar crédito a sus vagos
> compromisos y promesas, que romperán nuevamente en cuanto les convenga
> hacerlo. No debemos repetir el ciclo de las anteriores cinco
> treguas-trampa
> de las cuales ETA salió reforzada tanto en su estructura, como en su
> legitimidad como interlocutor.
>
> Desde el FORO ERMUA pedimos al Gobierno y a todas las fuerzas políticas
> que
> no se dejen engañar, actúen con firmeza, responsabilidad y confianza en la
> derrota de ETA sin concesiones ni negociaciones, a través de los
> instrumentos del Estado de Derecho.
>
> Para más información:
>
> Mikel Buesa (650) 97-42-04
> Iñaki Ezkerra (657) 70-07-92
>
> --
> THE MOST DANGEROUS ENNEMY OF HUMANITY :
>
> ARE NOT THE NUCLEAR OR MASS DESTRUCTION WEAPONS,
>
> BUT STUPIDITY, FOR WHICH EVERY MINUTE... MANY HUMANS GET HURT.
>
> ¿SE LIBERARAN ALGUN DIA DELA ESTUPIDEZ?
>
>
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TOPIC: The final end of Ali Asker the pkk a$$
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2a781502bced1f5f
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 1:29 pm
From: "gogu"
Richard wrote:
> Not by a long shot. There is no such thing as the final end in an
> infinite and abundant universe. Only in limited, mediocre and
> prostituted minds.
Hey DICK
What you smokin dawg ?
*LMFAAOIY*
== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 1:29 pm
From: "gogu"
Richard wrote:
> Not by a long shot. There is no such thing as the final end in an
> infinite and abundant universe. Only in limited, mediocre and
> prostituted minds.
Hey DICK
What you smokin dawg ?
*LMFAAOIY*;-))))))))))))))))))))))))
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
Coins, travels, pidjins and more:
http://pig.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://www.putfile.com/naz1gogu
== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 11:34 pm
From: Panta Rhei
gogu writes:
> Richard wrote:
>> Not by a long shot. There is no such thing as the final end in an
>> infinite and abundant universe. Only in limited, mediocre and
>> prostituted minds.
>
> Hey DICK
>
> What you smokin dawg ?
>
> *LMFAAOIY*;-))))))))))))))))))))))))
Awww! Dumb, BITCHSLAPPED Weenie Beanie has to adopt the name of his MASTER
"gogu" again who beats the shit out him EVERY DAY.
It's his only way to cope with his fears and humiliation inflicted on him
by gogu. LOL!
What a ridiculous, retarded tURk! LMAO!
--
Living the life of a ridiculed, bitchslapped loony on usenet helps Beanie
Tinfoil forget the failures in his life.
== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 11:34 pm
From: Panta Rhei
gogu writes:
> Richard wrote:
>> Not by a long shot. There is no such thing as the final end in an
>> infinite and abundant universe. Only in limited, mediocre and
>> prostituted minds.
>
> Hey DICK
>
> What you smokin dawg ?
>
> *LMFAAOIY*
Awww! Dumb, BITCHSLAPPED Weenie Beanie has to adopt the name of his MASTER
"gogu" again who beats the shit out him EVERY DAY.
It's his only way to cope with his fears and humiliation inflicted on him
by gogu. LOL!
What a ridiculous, retarded tURk! LMAO!
--
Living the life of a ridiculed, bitchslapped loony on usenet helps Beanie
Tinfoil forget the failures in his life.
== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 1:38 pm
From: "gogu"
TrafalgarSquare wrote:
> Gördünüzmü beyler, bayanlar!
> Senelerdir basa gelemediginiz yasadisi kisi/örgüt
> bir kac hafta icinde yok oldu!
> Iste medyada savaslar böyle kazanilirmis.
> Tarihde yeni bir zafer elde ettik!
>
> Yok yok,ellerimi öpmeye hic gerek yok... :-)
>
> umu dan hepinize cok selamlar :-)
> I love you all! :-)
Biz de seni chok seviyoruz
;-))))))))))))))))))))))))
--
E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
puttane! F.d.A
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http://pig.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
http://www.putfile.com/naz1gogu
== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 11:45 pm
From: Panta Rhei
gogu writes:
<snip the two retarded Turks' drivel>
Awww! Dumb, BITCHSLAPPED Weenie Beanie has to adopt the name of his MASTER
"gogu" again who beats the shit out him EVERY DAY.
It's his only way to cope with his fears and humiliation inflicted on him
by gogu. LOL!
What a ridiculous, retarded tURk! LMAO!
--
Living the life of a ridiculed, bitchslapped loony on usenet helps Beanie
Tinfoil forget the failures in his life.
== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 1 2006 12:04 am
From: Panta Rhei
sar3 writes:
> "umu" <umu@topkale.net> wrote in
> news:1143828797.724060.79180@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
>
>> Richard wrote:
>>> And you may get the same fate as he if you don't take responsibility
>>> for a stray dog AKA Seanie Ruttledge who trashes Greek Culture in the
>>> name of Turkey.
>>
>> He's not the initator.
>
> Are you sure NOOB?
>
> He just replies to the Greek propaganda.
>
> Who is "he", mumu?
>
>> Let's hope for better releations.
>>
>
> By the way, are you female, mumu?
Does it matter? He is the usual, brainwashed, fascist Turk with no
individuality of his own. There are about 70 million tURks exactly like
him, talking the same, endlessly repeated, inane Turkish propaganda crap!
LMAO! They also think they could "become" Europeans! Buahahahahaaaa....
== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 2:15 pm
From: "gogu"
Richard wrote:
> And you may get the same fate as he if you don't take responsibility
> for a stray dog AKA Seanie Ruttledge who trashes Greek Culture in the
> name of Turkey.
You spelled THRASHES wrong DICKie bwoy and "Greek Culture" is an
oxymoronic contradiction in terms !
*LMFAOAY* DICK !
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TOPIC: REAL conservatives need to speak up!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9c8a065dd2a7418e
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 9:44 pm
From: Charles Aulds
On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 07:46:34 -0800, Kevin wrote:
> You sound like an honest and honorable man to me.
I am honored by that statement. I hope I can live up to that
description in the future! :-)
Thank you,
Charles
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TOPIC: Muslim beaten to death by Hindu Mobs
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a0e2308ad9a2acf1
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 3:51 pm
From: "harmony"
research has proved that kirastani prayers don't work.
"Mister_George" <georgemvw999@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143838808.563276.188030@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> PRAISE GOD!
>
> KILL THEM ALL! (God will sort them out)
>
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TOPIC: "Yes, I know we have made tactical errors, thousands of them,"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/1fd619b8a15ae49c
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:03 pm
From: GW Chimpzilla's Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia
Kevin wrote:
> So says Condi Rice. Her exact words.
Perhaps she means that it is the politburo's hint that Rummy the CLown is toast.
--
There are only two kinds of Republicans: Millionaires and fools.
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TOPIC: Let's Pick Someone Else to Lead Our Country --- Condi Admits Thousands
of Mistakes and Thousands of Lives Sacrificed in Three Years and Counting Re:
"Pick Someone Else" - Now Bush Doesn't Want Jaafari
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2a1a301ca8cfc5ec
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:08 pm
From: acoustic@panix.com (lo yeeOn)
War/Bush supporter Achie's drivel (in response to poster who pointed
out that now Bush wants to flush democracy down the toilet when it
does not suit him):
>It has been over three months since the parliament elections and the
>Iraqi people expect a government. In life and as in politics you either
>lead, follow, or get out of the way.
>
>
>< drivel cut >
Alas, Achie! Whenever people try to supply facts to reveal Bush's
false pretenses and deception for his war for oil and hegemony, you
cut them out and call them ``drivel''. But, but look what drivel you
have supplied here!
Achie, if ``three months'' are long enough to flush democracy down the
toilet after having sacrificed so much for it, what do you think about
three long years, which is 12 times three months? What do you think
about three long long years for a government to make not just a few
mistakes, but ``thousands of them''?
First, where is the commitment to democracy?
Second, where is the principle and conviction of the people involved?
Third, if we the American people have any principled stand and an
ounce of conviction, wouldn't we need to throw out the entire team of
leaders who're digging in their heels and remain, even after having
committed ``thousands of errors'' and who are, according to Ms. Rice,
``brain dead'' because they have, clearly, not learned ``from their
lessons'' by continuing to make them, month after month and year after
year?
If a time of three months is too long for the American-installed
democracy to work, installed by great force, then wouldn't it be
really, really too long for Bush, Cheney, Rice, and Rumsfeld, who
conspired to install their Middle East policy of ``democracy'' (by
force), by ``shock-and-awe'' force, to remain and continue to make
more errors? If it has been a thousand per year of errors they have
been making, then everyday they remain, it will be at least another
three ``tactical'' errors they will be making, between the four: Bush,
Cheney, Rice, and Rumsfeld! It will be a sobering thought in itself
if we, the American people, should allow this to continue to stand!
BLACKBURN, England - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice conceded
Friday that the United States probably has made thousands of
"tactical errors" in Iraq and elsewhere, but said it will be judged
by its larger aims of peace and democracy in the Middle East.
The U.S. diplomat met loud anti-war protests in the streets and
skeptical questions about U.S. involvement in Iraq at a foreign policy
salon Friday, including one about whether Washington had learned from
its "mistakes over the past three years."
Rice replied that leaders would be "brain-dead" if they did not absorb
the lessons of their times.
"I know we've made tactical errors, thousands of them I'm sure," Rice
told an audience gathered by the British foreign policy think tank
Chatham House. "But when you look back in history, what will be judged
will be, did you make the right strategic decisions."
She said she remains firmly convinced that it was the right strategic
decision to remove Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq three years ago,
and that it required an invasion to do it.
Saddam "wasn't going anywhere without military intervention," she
said.
Demonstrators organized marches to call America's top diplomat a war
criminal and human rights abuser . . ..
It is time for America to throw out its ``brain dead'' leaders which
continue to commit the American people to the errors they keep making!
By the way, Achie, don't say ``the Iraqi people'' are expecting a
``government'' when it is Bush who is saying ``hurry, hurry'' to the
politicians who are living in the Green Zone - an American artifice to
protect what it has forcibly imposed, a fortress surrounded by layers
upon layers of 20-foot concrete walls, which serves as a counter-part
to the American shock-and-awe display of might, and ultimately only a
bubble - to form a government.
He wants impatiently, because of fading domestic support for his
misadventure, a government formed which is willing to sign off
1) rights for big corporations in the West to collect millions of
dollars each year for having provided the Iraqi farmers with
genetically-altered seeds for their foods,
2) rights to own or control the production of and access to its oil,
and
3) renewable 99-year forward military bases all over Iraq ``by
invitation'' of the country.
When Bush gets those papers signed, for his neocons clients, then he
will feel free to withdraw those of our troops who aren't needed for
maintaining/operating the bases.
Those troops to remain will be there solely to protect the bases and
let the Iraqis fight it out in the streets to have their government.
(Remember the ambiguity in Rumsfeld having repeatedly said that our
troops are there to protect the Iraqi people and at the same time that
our troops will not get involved in a civil war, even though a war
will no doubt have a direct and adverse bearing on people's security?)
And remember Achie, the Shiites are seeing this as a second American
betrayal.
They remember how Bush Father gave them the signal to revolt against
Saddam's government and then abandoned them and left them brutally
defeated. And now, after Bush Son told them to go to the poll and
voted for whom they wanted to represent them, he is trying to force
their sacred choice off the government!
I am sure that the Shiites haven't forgotten the fact that they risked
bullets and death to march in droves to the polls to choose their
representatives.
They did as a result of the supreme ayatollah Sistani's ``fatwa'', an
edict issued no doubt because Sistani was heeding Bush's desire.
But time after time, the powerless people are but the tools of the
mighty conqueror. Last time, Bush Father wanted to stop Saddam so
that the West would continue to have free access to Kuwaiti oil and
this time, Bush Son wants the same from Iraq directly.
The Shiites no doubt can make themselves fools again if they don't
learn from their mistake from more than fifteen years ago. The only
question is:
``Will they?''
We don't know; but we may look at the report below for some clues, a
report about Sistani's (current) reaction to a letter from Bush
concerning the latter's wishes to push off the democratic choice of
the Shiite majority in Iraq.
lo yeeOn
========
# Shiite Ayatollah Ignores Letter From Bush - Yahoo! News
By QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA, Associated Press Writer Thu Mar 30, 5:27 PM ET
BAGHDAD, Iraq - A letter from President Bush to Iraq's supreme Shiite
spiritual leader, Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, was hand-delivered earlier
this week but sits unread and untranslated in the top religious figure's
office, a key al-Sistani aide told The Associated Press on Thursday.
The aide -- who has never allowed use of his name in news reports,
citing al-Sistani's refusal to make any public statements himself --
said the ayatollah had laid the letter aside and did not ask for a
translation because of increasing "unhappiness" over what senior
Shiite leaders see as American meddling in Iraqi attempts to form
their first, permanent post-invasion government.
The aide said the person who delivered the Bush letter -- he would not
identify the messenger by name or nationality -- said it carried
Bush's thanks to al-Sistani for calling for calm among his followers
in preventing the outbreak of civil war after a Shiite shrine was
bombed late last month.
The messenger also was said to have explained that the letter
reinforced the American position that Prime Minister Ibrahim
al-Jaafari should not be given a second term. Al-Sistani has not
publicly taken sides in the dispute, but rather has called for Shiite
unity.
The United States was known to object to al-Jaafari's second term but
has never said so outright and in public.
But on Saturday, U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad carried a similar
letter from Bush to a meeting with Abdul-Aziz al-Hakim, leader of the
largest Shiite political organization, the Supreme Council for the
Islamic Revolution in Iraq.
The al-Sistani aide said Shiite displeasure with U.S. involvement was
so deep that dignitaries in the holy city of Najaf refused to meet
Khalilzad on Wednesday during ceremonies commemorating the death of
the Prophet Muhammad. The Afghan-born Khalilzad is a Sunni Muslim.
Elizabeth Colton, the U.S. Embassy spokeswoman, said Khalilzad had not
sought any meetings and simply flew over Najaf and the nearby holy
city of Karbala to witness the big processions of Shiite faithful
marking the day.
"The ambassador did a fly over to see people on the streets of
Karabala and Najaf. The ambassador did not ask to see anyone and did
not go into either city," Colton told AP.
The United States is believed to oppose al-Jaafari because of his
close ties and strong backing from radical Shiite cleric Muqtada
al-Sadr, who has a thousands-strong heavily armed militia that was
responsible for much of the violence that hit the country after the
Feb. 22 bombing of an important Shiite shrine in Samarra, north of
Baghdad.
At a news conference Thursday, al-Jaafari said he had met with
Khalilzad a day earlier and that the U.S. ambassador denied remarks
attributed to him about the prime minister's candidacy for a new term.
"I don't care much about these matters. I look at the Iraqi people and
the democratic mechanisms," al-Jaafari said.
Al-Sadr, who is staunchly anti-American, met with al-Sistani in Najaf
on Thursday but emerged without making a statement.
The stalemate over forming a new government for Iraq, in its sixth
week after the certification of the vote in parliamentary elections
Dec. 15, is focused on al-Jaafari's candidacy, opposed by minority
Sunni and Kurdish politicians as well as many moderate Shiites.
He was nominated for a second and permanent four-year term by one vote
and with al-Sadr's backing. The Iraqi constitution dictates that the
largest parliamentary bloc is entitled to select the prime minister.
The Shiite United Iraqi Alliance holds 135 seats in the 275-member
legislature.
At least 27 more people died in violence, meanwhile, including a
4-year-old girl who was killed when a car bomb exploded near the
Shiite Ali Basha mosque in Baghdad's eastern Kryaat neighborhood.
Police Lt. Thaer Mahmoud said at least 10 other bystanders were
injured.
In Beiji, 155 miles north of Baghdad, gunmen killed eight workers from
the city power plant as they left work, police Lt. Mahanad Khalid
said.
Gunmen in two cars arrived at the al-Amin bakery in Baghdad's
dangerous southern neighborhood of Dora and killed three workers,
police Lt. Maitham Abdul-Razzaq said.
The U.S. military reported two deaths. A soldier assigned to the 9th
Naval Construction Regiment died Tuesday from wounds sustained in
fighting in Anbar province. An airman assigned to the 447th Air
Expeditionary Group was killed Thursday near Baghdad. A fellow airman
was injured when a roadside bomb exploded as they worked to disarm it,
the Central Command reported.
In article <wuKWf.15474$WK1.14949@tornado.socal.rr.com>,
Acharya <harinam108@yahoo.com> wrote:
><NY.Transfer.News@blythe.org> wrote in message
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>> "Pick Someone Else" - Now Bush Doesn't Want Jaafari
>>
>> Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit
>>
>> [The Iraqis have just begun to resume talks on forming a government
>> after the mosque massacre fiasco, and now the Bush regime has pissed
>> them off yet again by telling them who not to choose as their country's
>> prime minister.-NY Transfer]
>
>
>As usual the NY Tranfer bullshit clown does not know what he is writing
>about. It has been over three months since the parliament elections and the
>Iraqi people expect a government. In life and as in politics you either
>lead, follow, or get out of the way.
>
>
>< drivel cut >
>
>
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