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* ZYD Friedmans-Child Molesters/KIDDIE PORN, from Synagogue!! He Did No Jail
Time!! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/8e414386bfaed809
* HAMAS WILL NOT RECOGNIZE ISRAEL - 5 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/da913de7b1259171
* The Media's Lies About Israel - 2 messages, 1 author
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* The boola boola mullah - Yale University's Taliban - 1 messages, 1 author
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* The Real Helen Thomas . . . - 2 messages, 2 authors
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TOPIC: ZYD Friedmans-Child Molesters/KIDDIE PORN, from Synagogue!! He Did No
Jail Time!!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/8e414386bfaed809
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 2:23 am
From: TwistyCreek
Notice that Ted had listed at least 2 different Friedman
JEW CHILD MOLESTERS!!
Are these Friedmans related to the pervert Stuart Friedman, former cantor of
the synagogue in Halifax, Canada?
He is the one caught as a major international distributor of KIDDIE PORN, from
his synagogue. The Canadian cops allowed him to flee back to Boston, where the
FBI picked him up!!
But for a white man convicted of similar charges in Edmonton Canada, the white guy
gets 3 1/2 years in jail!!
_________________________________________
On 31 Dec 2005 11:49:41 -0800, "Iamhere" <dotcom457@yahoo.com> wrote:
>If your piece is fact, what is the major deal about one Jewish pervert
>vis a vis the thousands of priests who earned their prayer beads by
>buggering little boys? I say you are a goyische hypocrite.
>Iamhere
>======================================================================================
>Ted Dichtler wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 10:11:31 -0700, ariadne <ariadne@mac.hush.com>
>> wrote:
>> Are these Friedmans related to the pervert Stuart Friedman, former
>> cantor of the synagogue in Halifax, Canada?
>> He is the one caught as a major international DISTRIBUTOR of KIDDIE
>> PORN, from his synagogue. The Canadian cops allowed him to flee back
>> to Boston, where the FBI picked him up!!
>> Story as reported by newspaper follows:
>> kenmcvay Feb 14 1999, 1:00 am
>> Newsgroups: soc.culture.polish, soc.culture.russian, soc.culture.ukrainian,
>> soc.culture.palestine
>> From: kenmc...@in.vino.veritas.lies
>> Date: 1999/02/14
>> Subject: Re: NIZKOR Supports ZHID Kiddie Porn Distributor from Synangogue
>> On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:16:03 GMT, odess...@direct.ca wrote:
>> >On Thu, 25 Sep 1997 01:55:53 -0500, jacob bekker <jbek...@flash.net>
>> >wrote:
>> >>If that was "A Polish school teacher at a Halifax church..." than it was O.K.
>> >>J.B.
>> >No, it would not be OK, no matter who is the pervert.
>> >What is of concern, is whether the 3 NON-JEWS presently charged with
>> >similar crimes, will now also be allowed to leave Canada, without
>> >having to spend the normal 5 years in prison?
>> >Or, is this generosity only available to damn JEW KIDDIE PORN
>> >DISTRIBUTORS, especially if they are connected to a synagogue??
>> >>> ><odess...@direct.ca> wrote:
>> ARREST SHOCKS SYNAGOGUE; TEACHER FLIES BACK TO U.S.
>> By EVA HOARE and AMY PUGSLEY FRASER Staff Reporters
>> A Hebrew school teacher and cantor at a Halifax synagogue, who downloaded
>> hundreds of pornographic photographs of children from the Internet, was
>> fined $2,200 in court Tuesday.
>> The fine was paid and Suart David Friedman, a
>> well-liked and respected member of the Beth Israel Synagogue, promptly left
>> the country for his native United States.
>> It's the first charge of its kind in Nova Scotia and justice officials
>> hinted that Mr. Friedman's activities - downloading a personal fantasy
>> collection of boys performing sexual and sadomasochistic acts - could be
>> connected to an international child pornography ring.
>> Mr. Friedman, 42, of South Park Street, Halifax, pleaded guilty to
>> possessing child pornography from the Internet. When Canada Customs and
>> police officers arrested him during a raid on his apartment Monday, the
>> cantor was surfing the Net. Although his private cache contained photographs
>> and videos - as well as gay and bondage magazines - the bulk of his
>> collection was 223 computer-generated photos of child pornography stored on
>> diskettes, on two computer hard drives, and on computer printouts.
>> ``It's extremely disgusting,'' said Const. Gary Martin of the Halifax
>> Regional Police Service, whose officers also conducted a search of Chebucto
>> Freenet offices, Mr. Friedman's Internet provider. ``Ninety per cent of this
>> material was obtained either directly or indirectly through the Internet.
>> Some ... was directly downloaded from the Internet and some ... was obtained
>> from different groups that are within the Internet,'' Const. Martin said.
>> ``The pictures are very explicit. It covers just about every avenue of
>> pornography that's out there.''
>> Canada Customs' intelligence division started working the case last
>> September and then brought in regional police, said Ed Osborne, customs'
>> regional intelligence officer.
>> Now officers - who'll spend hundreds of hours poring over the materials -
>> want to know if any Nova Scotian children were depicted in the ``gruesome''
>> photos and material seized. But they do not expect that will be the case.
>> Parents of children who attended the Hebrew school, shocked by the arrest,
>> planned to meet Tuesday night. ``As aware as people are that these things
>> can and do happen, it's still a shock,'' said Cathy Fox, president of the
>> Beth Israel Synagogue. Her three children - two sons and a daughter - were
>> taught by Mr. Friedman at the synagogue's Hebrew school. ``It's a very
>> difficult time.''
>> The cantor - who leads the congregation in song - taught her 13- year-old
>> son songs and chants that were part of his bar mitzvah ceremony last
>> October, Mrs. Fox said.
>> Some members will feel betrayed as a result of the charges. ``I think the
>> elderly members of our congregation will be very hurt by this.'' Some are
>> appalled while others expressed sympathy. ``I'm very saddened,'' said Robert
>> Wolman, president of the synagogue's board of governors.
>> Mr. Wolman said he and other board members heard about the case Monday night
>> and Mr. Friedman was immediately dismissed.
>> Wearing an olive-colored trenchcoat and a black yarmulke (skull cap) over
>> his greying hair, a pale and visibly nervous Mr. Friedman was ushered into
>> provincial court by two sheriff's deputies. Refusing even to look up at the
>> judge, he stared resolutely at the floor while wringing his hands.
>> ``This is the first (such) charge through our office,'' Crown attorney Frank
>> Hoskins told Judge Hughes Randall. ``But it sends a message out to the
>> public that if you're in possession of these images from your Internet and
>> they're child pornography, you can be charged with a criminal offence and
>> get a criminal record and a substantial fine,'' Mr. Hoskins said later.
>> Article Segment 2 of 2
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>> Canada Customs received information about a child pornography ring in Canada
>> and the United States operating via the Internet, surface mail and
>> electronic (e-mail), the Crown attorney said.
>> Officers said Mr. Friedman's apartment was ``ill-kept and unclean,'' and
>> that they also found letters with explicit sexual content. A second search
>> conducted at Chebucto Freenet yielded his e-mail records.
>> Mr. Hoskins and defence lawyer Joel Pink said Mr. Friedman, who co-operated
>> with police, was only using the material for his own sexual fantasies. ``His
>> intent was possession, not distribution or selling,'' said the Crown.
>> The former cantor - who is not married - has provided information that will
>> help police bring more ``like-minded individuals'' to justice, Mr. Hoskins=
>> said.
>> Outside court, police Sgt. Bill Cowper, the department's Internet
>> specialist, said this is just the beginning. ``We're pursuing every angle at
>> this time. He's not the only person. ... The investigation does involve law
>> enforcement officials in Canada and in the United States.''
>> Police said Mr. Friedman is being investigated over the alleged distribution
>> of photos to other Internet users. Police won't say which American agencies
>> are involved and the U.S. Customs Service, reached late Tuesday, declined
>> comment.
>> Mr. Hoskins asked that Mr. Friedman surrender his computers, valued at
>> $1,200 and $1,500 apiece, to the court in addition to the $2,200 fine
>> ($2,000 plus a $200 victim surcharge). Two sets of handcuffs were also
>> confiscated.
>> After the court appearance, Mr. Friedman took the 4:45 p.m. flight to Boston
>> to be with his family.
>> Officials won't comment on the amount of the fine - the offence carries a
>> maximum of five years in prison - saying that's up to the judge. But they
>> did say there was a plea bargain.
>> Mr. Friedman, holder of a music degree from an American university, arrived
>> in Halifax in August 1994 and has worked at Beth Israel ever since. His last
>> posting as a cantor was in the Detroit area. The man, whose job was to lead
>> prayers, teach Hebrew school and help prepare boys for bar mitzvah, has no
>> prior criminal record, Mr. Pink said.
>> ``My eldest son has a great deal of respect for the cantor,'' said Mrs. Fox,
>> who wanted to break the news to her children before they heard it through
>> the media.
>> ``We have to do this in a very nonalarmist fashion ... I'm still thinking
>> about how we will handle this.''
>> Mr. Wolman said the board of governors would review of the matter as soon as
>> possible and plans to tighten the screening process for future cantors.
>> Police also said they found a stash of adult pornography - 31 nude or
>> partially-nude self-portraits - but the charges stem from the child-related
>> material.
>> With staff reporters Bruce Erskine and Barry Dorey
>> The Halifax Herald Limited, 1997.
>> Join NSWPP mailing-list, go to:
>> http://www.nswpp.org/">http://www.nswpp.org
>> >On Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:54:44 +0100, "mkarwan" <mkarwan@poczta.onet.pl> wrote:
>> >>http://judicial-inc.biz/freidman_pedophiles_from_hell.htm
>> >One Of Jewry's Most Explosive Incidences
>> >Every now and then, there is a crime so ghastly, that even the Jewish media
>> >control can't prevent the world from knowing. The crimes of the Friedmans were
>> >so atrocious, that no string pulling was going to stop this investigation.
>> >They were running a day care in the morning, and teaching computers to 8, 9,
>> >and 10 yr olds in the afternoon.
>> >They were found to have molested hundreds of children, and taken extensive
>> >video and photographic files on their molestations.
>> It seems that much of the pornography and especially KIDDIE PORN
>> rackets worldwide are run by the JEWS!
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TOPIC: HAMAS WILL NOT RECOGNIZE ISRAEL
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/da913de7b1259171
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 9:26 pm
From: "serwad"
"DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
news:OBIUf.14303$Eg2.6482@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:XwIUf.1454$sU4.1224@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
>> news:zeIUf.14299$Eg2.1533@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>> "We are asked to recognize Israel. We can do so but we will not,"
>>> announced
>>> Hamas political chief Khaled Meshaal on Monday. He spoke in response to
>>> requests by the international community, including some Arab leaders, to
>>> negotiate with the Jewish state.
>>>
>>> But Meshaal said no to Sheik Salman bin Hamad Al Khalifa, the crown
>>> prince
>>> of Bahrain, and no to Palestinian Authority president Mahmud Abbas, and
>>> no
>>> to U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and no to the European
>>> Community, all of whom would like Hamas to a.) recognize Israel, b.)
>>> renounce its "armed struggle," i.e. terrorism, and c.) respect
>>> agreements
>>> with the Jewish state. But as of Monday, Meshaal was of the view that,
>>> on
>>> the contrary, the world should utilize the unexpected Hamas win in the
>>> Palestinian elections "for Arab and Islamic benefits."
>>>
>>> "Do you need anyone to exert pressure? Let Hamas be your pressuring
>>> arm,"
>>> Meshaal was quoted as saying.
>>>
>>> Now all this was predictable, and it would be hardly worth mentioning if
>>> it
>>> weren't for commentators and not just commentators but political
>>> leaders
>>> asserting periodically that the Middle East impasse is due to Israeli
>>> intransigence or worse, to "personalities."
>>>
>>> Four years ago, for instance, the media took it in its collective head
>>> that
>>> the Palestinian-Israeli conflict was nothing but a grudge-match between
>>> two
>>> old man, Yasser Arafat and Ariel Sharon.
>>>
>>> Even some of the Israeli press bought into this hogwash back in 2002.
>>> "Twenty years after Arafat and Sharon faced off during the siege of West
>>> Beirut, the two old men are confronting each other once again," offered
>>> Ehud Ya'ari in THE JERUSALEM REPORT MAGAZINE. U.S. President George W.
>>> Bush
>>> himself seems to have had an idea that as THE GUARDIAN's Robin Lustig
>>> put
>>> it at the time "This is the OK Corral. Two old men are facing each
>>> other
>>> down. It's personal, and it goes back a long way."
>>>
>>> As sheriff, Bush dispatched his then-deputy, Secretary of State Colin
>>> Powell, to the OK Corral four years ago that is, to Arafat's besieged
>>> compound at Ramallah with instructions to disarm the two cowboys. Bush
>>> implied that much as Israel was being wronged by terrorists, the world
>>> community couldn't let its leader, Sharon, take the law into his own
>>> hands.
>>>
>>> On April 4, 2002, in his Rose Garden speech announcing Powell's mission,
>>> the president waxed lyrical about giving peace a chance:
>>>
>>> "America itself counts former adversaries as trusted friends Germany
>>> and
>>> Japan and now Russia," he said. "Conflict is not inevitable. Distrust
>>> need
>>> not be permanent. Peace is possible when we break free of old patterns
>>> and
>>> habits of hatred."
>>>
>>> What Bush failed to mention was that Germany had been flattened and
>>> de-Nazified before it became America's trusted friend; imperial Japan
>>> had
>>> been nuked, and Soviet Russia had imploded. The friendship of these
>>> nations
>>> was preceded by a complete collapse and fundamental restructuring of
>>> their
>>> respective societies.
>>>
>>> One wishes the Mideast conflict were just a grudge match between two old
>>> men. If it were, it would be over. Arafat is dead and buried, and Sharon
>>> is
>>> dead without being buried after a massive stroke left him in a coma. If
>>> it
>>> had been their private war, or anything close to it, now there would be
>>> peace.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, the Mideast conflict has never been a grudge-match
>>> between
>>> individuals. It has been a war between the Jewish state and those who
>>> have
>>> been rejecting it for the past 58 years, which is most of the
>>> Arab/Muslim
>>> world. Despite Bush's uplifting speech, Powell probably didn't go to
>>> Ramallah in 2002 as Neville Chamberlain went to Munich in 1938, with the
>>> lofty hope for "peace in our time." Powell was hoping only for a permit
>>> from the Arab world to wage his own war in peace. He wanted to finish a
>>> job
>>> in Iraq he left unfinished a decade ago.
>>>
>>> No doubt, Powell and Bush were aware that before adversaries become
>>> trusted
>>> friends they need to be defeated perhaps not "flattened" or "nuked"
>>> (one
>>> hopes) but decisively defeated and that Iraq couldn't be America's
>>> friend
>>> without a complete makeover following a victorious war. If then. If at
>>> all.
>>>
>>> The same is true of Israel and its enemies except one war wouldn't be
>>> enough. Israel had already fought four (or five, or six, counting
>>> Lebanon
>>> and the Intifadas.) Peace is no giveaway. It doesn't come in a cereal
>>> box.
>>> It's usually a dividend of victory or defeat. That's why it's the
>>> dearest
>>> thing there is.
>>> http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/19412
>> Why would Hamas recognize an occupying powers which has slaughtered and
>> continues to slaughter millions of Palestinians?
>
> Because what you just said are lies. And Hamas is a terrorist
> organization.....
AND I SAY THAT ISRAEL IS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION! IT CERTAINLY ACTS LIKE
ONE
> Occupation must be defeated
>> before making peace with them!
>
> Yep, boot the pallies back to their own countries.
THEIR COUNTRY IS PALESTINE AND YOU KNOW THAT VERY WELL. KHAZARS BELONG IN
KHAZARIA!
>
>
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 9:27 pm
From: "serwad"
"Ariadne" <ariadne.mac@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> serwad wrote:
>
>> Why would Hamas recognize an occupying powers which has slaughtered and
>> continues to slaughter millions of Palestinians? Occupation must be
>> defeated
>> before making peace with them!
>
> Clearly you are talking about Jordan.
I AM TALKING ABOUT THE TERRORIST ORGANIZATION CALLED ISRAEL!
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 2:59 am
From: "DoD"
"serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
> news:OBIUf.14303$Eg2.6482@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>
>> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:XwIUf.1454$sU4.1224@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>>>
>>> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
>>> news:zeIUf.14299$Eg2.1533@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>> "We are asked to recognize Israel. We can do so but we will not,"
>>>> announced
>>>> Hamas political chief Khaled Meshaal on Monday. He spoke in response to
>>>> requests by the international community, including some Arab leaders,
>>>> to
>>>> negotiate with the Jewish state.
>>>>
>>>> But Meshaal said no to Sheik Salman bin Hamad Al Khalifa, the crown
>>>> prince
>>>> of Bahrain, and no to Palestinian Authority president Mahmud Abbas, and
>>>> no
>>>> to U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and no to the European
>>>> Community, all of whom would like Hamas to a.) recognize Israel, b.)
>>>> renounce its "armed struggle," i.e. terrorism, and c.) respect
>>>> agreements
>>>> with the Jewish state. But as of Monday, Meshaal was of the view that,
>>>> on
>>>> the contrary, the world should utilize the unexpected Hamas win in the
>>>> Palestinian elections "for Arab and Islamic benefits."
>>>>
>>>> "Do you need anyone to exert pressure? Let Hamas be your pressuring
>>>> arm,"
>>>> Meshaal was quoted as saying.
>>>>
>>>> Now all this was predictable, and it would be hardly worth mentioning
>>>> if it
>>>> weren't for commentators and not just commentators but political
>>>> leaders
>>>> asserting periodically that the Middle East impasse is due to Israeli
>>>> intransigence or worse, to "personalities."
>>>>
>>>> Four years ago, for instance, the media took it in its collective head
>>>> that
>>>> the Palestinian-Israeli conflict was nothing but a grudge-match between
>>>> two
>>>> old man, Yasser Arafat and Ariel Sharon.
>>>>
>>>> Even some of the Israeli press bought into this hogwash back in 2002.
>>>> "Twenty years after Arafat and Sharon faced off during the siege of
>>>> West
>>>> Beirut, the two old men are confronting each other once again," offered
>>>> Ehud Ya'ari in THE JERUSALEM REPORT MAGAZINE. U.S. President George W.
>>>> Bush
>>>> himself seems to have had an idea that as THE GUARDIAN's Robin Lustig
>>>> put
>>>> it at the time "This is the OK Corral. Two old men are facing each
>>>> other
>>>> down. It's personal, and it goes back a long way."
>>>>
>>>> As sheriff, Bush dispatched his then-deputy, Secretary of State Colin
>>>> Powell, to the OK Corral four years ago that is, to Arafat's besieged
>>>> compound at Ramallah with instructions to disarm the two cowboys.
>>>> Bush
>>>> implied that much as Israel was being wronged by terrorists, the world
>>>> community couldn't let its leader, Sharon, take the law into his own
>>>> hands.
>>>>
>>>> On April 4, 2002, in his Rose Garden speech announcing Powell's
>>>> mission,
>>>> the president waxed lyrical about giving peace a chance:
>>>>
>>>> "America itself counts former adversaries as trusted friends Germany
>>>> and
>>>> Japan and now Russia," he said. "Conflict is not inevitable. Distrust
>>>> need
>>>> not be permanent. Peace is possible when we break free of old patterns
>>>> and
>>>> habits of hatred."
>>>>
>>>> What Bush failed to mention was that Germany had been flattened and
>>>> de-Nazified before it became America's trusted friend; imperial Japan
>>>> had
>>>> been nuked, and Soviet Russia had imploded. The friendship of these
>>>> nations
>>>> was preceded by a complete collapse and fundamental restructuring of
>>>> their
>>>> respective societies.
>>>>
>>>> One wishes the Mideast conflict were just a grudge match between two
>>>> old
>>>> men. If it were, it would be over. Arafat is dead and buried, and
>>>> Sharon is
>>>> dead without being buried after a massive stroke left him in a coma. If
>>>> it
>>>> had been their private war, or anything close to it, now there would be
>>>> peace.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, the Mideast conflict has never been a grudge-match
>>>> between
>>>> individuals. It has been a war between the Jewish state and those who
>>>> have
>>>> been rejecting it for the past 58 years, which is most of the
>>>> Arab/Muslim
>>>> world. Despite Bush's uplifting speech, Powell probably didn't go to
>>>> Ramallah in 2002 as Neville Chamberlain went to Munich in 1938, with
>>>> the
>>>> lofty hope for "peace in our time." Powell was hoping only for a permit
>>>> from the Arab world to wage his own war in peace. He wanted to finish a
>>>> job
>>>> in Iraq he left unfinished a decade ago.
>>>>
>>>> No doubt, Powell and Bush were aware that before adversaries become
>>>> trusted
>>>> friends they need to be defeated perhaps not "flattened" or "nuked"
>>>> (one
>>>> hopes) but decisively defeated and that Iraq couldn't be America's
>>>> friend
>>>> without a complete makeover following a victorious war. If then. If at
>>>> all.
>>>>
>>>> The same is true of Israel and its enemies except one war wouldn't be
>>>> enough. Israel had already fought four (or five, or six, counting
>>>> Lebanon
>>>> and the Intifadas.) Peace is no giveaway. It doesn't come in a cereal
>>>> box.
>>>> It's usually a dividend of victory or defeat. That's why it's the
>>>> dearest
>>>> thing there is.
>>>> http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/19412
>>> Why would Hamas recognize an occupying powers which has slaughtered and
>>> continues to slaughter millions of Palestinians?
>>
>> Because what you just said are lies. And Hamas is a terrorist
>> organization.....
> AND I SAY THAT ISRAEL IS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION! IT CERTAINLY ACTS LIKE
> ONE
Really? I think it is soft on terrorists.
>> Occupation must be defeated
>>> before making peace with them!
>>
>> Yep, boot the pallies back to their own countries.
> THEIR COUNTRY IS PALESTINE AND YOU KNOW THAT VERY WELL. KHAZARS BELONG IN
> KHAZARIA!
Jewish way of life originated in Khazaria? That is kinda silly dontcha
think?
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 7:01 pm
From: "Salah Jafar"
I support Hamas heroic stance against the purchased Arab agents. Fuck the Jews, the only recognition they are going to get is destruction and the OVENS.
SJ
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 7:03 pm
From: "Salah Jafar"
They are Israelites, they are Parasite Bastard.
SJ
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TOPIC: The Media's Lies About Israel
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/fa575b84c323d1d3
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 9:29 pm
From: "serwad"
>
> YES!!! Our boy is back!!!!
YOU FUCKKNUCKLE BARTON?
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 9:59 pm
From: "serwad"
"DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
news:YQHUf.14287$Eg2.757@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> [God, that felt good] Sorry to dissapoint you Alex......
>
> Frontpage Interview's guest today is Stephanie Gutmann, the author of the
> new book The Other War: Israelis, Palestinians and the Struggle for Media
> Supremacy. She has been a journalist for about sixteen years, as a staffer
> and a freelancer, writing for publications ranging from the New Republic
> and the New York Times to Cosmopolitan and Playboy.
SOME REPUTATION!
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TOPIC: The boola boola mullah - Yale University's Taliban
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/1cbf45c3d0c3f230
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 9:30 pm
From: Paul Duca
Don't worry...you don't have the money to get into Yale.
After all, the "writer" of the article--and certain OTHER
people--prove if you have enough money, you don't need BRAINS to get a
sheepskin from Yale.
Paul
==============================================================================
TOPIC: WHY NOT MEIN KAMPF?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/4cdc29e8f389b68c
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 9:32 pm
From: "serwad"
> Ok... that makes sense. I was wondering how that worked if the person
wasn't
> a Christian. I suppose it would at minimally be annoying if one wasn't..
> Heck it was annoying for me and I was one.
In the military during the Church parade on Sunday, they first call on
Catholics, then protestants, then Baptists, Lutherans and what is left are
jews, muslims and Buddhist who get to play the chess for the morning!
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 2:36 am
From: "DoD"
"serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:NPIUf.1460$sU4.1208@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> > Ok... that makes sense. I was wondering how that worked if the person
> wasn't
>> a Christian. I suppose it would at minimally be annoying if one wasn't..
>> Heck it was annoying for me and I was one.
>
> In the military during the Church parade on Sunday, they first call on
> Catholics, then protestants, then Baptists, Lutherans and what is left are
> jews, muslims and Buddhist who get to play the chess for the morning!
Huh?
==============================================================================
TOPIC: The Real Helen Thomas . . .
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/8997a8e6f690a7cb
==============================================================================
== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 9:33 pm
From: Paul Duca
Of course, you yabber such twaddle with the assurance that someone
ELSE will be obliged to fight your battles...you just bask in the reflected
glory.
Paul
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 8:38 pm
From: N A H
On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 17:04:37 -0800, "iceman" <iceman@hotmail.com> wrote:
>We have gone thru a presidency where not a single follow-up question has
>been permitted,
Incorrect. I suggest you watch the video of the press conference.
--
No Islam, Know Peace ........
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TOPIC: A vital safe guard....we do things our way
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/157fea714be95938
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 10:33 am
From: Dave Baker
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:54:29 +0800, "Bad boy" <badboy_sinland@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>
>"Dave Baker" <newsgroup_poster@jodael.com> wrote in message
>news:4jh622hssj6i3ov238q1k4tin6v4pr6qnm@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 07:48:56 +0800, "Bad boy" <badboy_sinland@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>In the Singapore culture, it is vital that top
>>>jobs are not given to people which can be
>>>exploited for corruption.
>>
>> Would Thaksin get a job as P.M.? :-)
>
>Learn to debate first....before you ask a question!
So, this is your tactic to avoid answering questions? Fairly childish.
Dave
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 10:45 am
From: "kingkong"
In Thailand, Thaksin was a billionaire before he became a politican and
prime minister.
In Singapore, most billionaires would quit politics as he would have to
reveal the skeleton in his closet.
"Dave Baker" <newsgroup_poster@jodael.com> wrote in message
news:4jh622hssj6i3ov238q1k4tin6v4pr6qnm@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 07:48:56 +0800, "Bad boy" <badboy_sinland@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>In the Singapore culture, it is vital that top
>>jobs are not given to people which can be
>>exploited for corruption.
>
> Would Thaksin get a job as P.M.? :-)
>
> Dave
==============================================================================
TOPIC: Mullahs: 'If Afghan Christian is freed, the Afghan people will kill him.
.'
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/62c071131c342dbc
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 9:34 pm
From: Paul Duca
Well...maybe this is ONE immigrant it won't be un-American to allow
into the country.
Paul
==============================================================================
TOPIC: Justice at Last
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5dc969963a7c8f17
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 9:46 pm
From: "Ed"
"DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
news:9fIUf.14300$Eg2.10307@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> "Ed" <nesorde@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:zpOdnYnQUfq7zb7ZnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
>> news:H6IUf.14298$Eg2.1243@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>
>>> "Ariadne" <ariadne.mac@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1143164384.187000.101260@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>> DoD wrote:
>>>>> "Ariadne" <ariadne.mac@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1143164087.822494.144000@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> >
>>>>> > DoD wrote:
>>>>> >> Israel watched and waited. Israel prepared and Israel persevered.
>>>>> >> And it
>>>>> >> all
>>>>> >> came together on March 14th.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> March 14th. The day that United States and United Kingdom
>>>>> >> peacekeepers
>>>>> >> fled
>>>>> >> for their lives, afraid of being kidnapped or killed by Palestinian
>>>>> >> terrorists. The day that United States and United Kingdom
>>>>> >> peacekeeping
>>>>> >> forces said enough to fear and uncertainty as they watched
>>>>> >> colleagues
>>>>> >> disappear, taken hostage, their fates unknown, wondering if they
>>>>> >> would be
>>>>> >> next.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> March 14th. The day that the Israeli army led a daring raid on the
>>>>> >> Jericho
>>>>> >> prison abandoned by Americans and the British, left solely guarded
>>>>> >> by
>>>>> >> Palestinian jailers. The day that Israel entered the prison and
>>>>> >> took
>>>>> >> captive
>>>>> >> five members of the PFLP, the Palestinian Front for the Liberation
>>>>> >> of
>>>>> >> Palestine. The day that five men responsible for the murder of
>>>>> >> Israeli
>>>>> >> Minister of Tourism Rechavam "Ghandi" Zeevi exchanged a Palestinian
>>>>> >> prison
>>>>> >> for an Israeli prison.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> For the Israelis, it was worth the wait.
>>>>> >>
>>>> [...]
>>>>> >> So Israel waited, the United States and the United Kingdom watched,
>>>>> >> and
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> >> Palestinians will be punished for their crime. It was inevitable.
>>>>> >> Time
>>>>> >> was
>>>>> >> on the side of justice.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21745
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Well done.
>>>>>
>>>>> No doubt about it....
>>>>
>>>> But how did it feel, cosying up to Taliban
>>>> torres?
>>>
>>> Made my stomach turn ...... I will NEVER EVER EVER do that again.....
>>
>> <ENORMOUS SIGH OF RELIEF>
>>
>> Dave, it's great to have you back!! :-)
>
> Thanks Ed, I really hated doing that.
So then why did you?
>
>
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 2:49 am
From: "DoD"
"Ed" <nesorde@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:waOdnSY05rMQwL7ZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
> news:9fIUf.14300$Eg2.10307@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>
>> "Ed" <nesorde@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:zpOdnYnQUfq7zb7ZnZ2dnUVZ_tednZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>
>>> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
>>> news:H6IUf.14298$Eg2.1243@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Ariadne" <ariadne.mac@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1143164384.187000.101260@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> DoD wrote:
>>>>>> "Ariadne" <ariadne.mac@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1143164087.822494.144000@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > DoD wrote:
>>>>>> >> Israel watched and waited. Israel prepared and Israel persevered.
>>>>>> >> And it
>>>>>> >> all
>>>>>> >> came together on March 14th.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> March 14th. The day that United States and United Kingdom
>>>>>> >> peacekeepers
>>>>>> >> fled
>>>>>> >> for their lives, afraid of being kidnapped or killed by
>>>>>> >> Palestinian
>>>>>> >> terrorists. The day that United States and United Kingdom
>>>>>> >> peacekeeping
>>>>>> >> forces said enough to fear and uncertainty as they watched
>>>>>> >> colleagues
>>>>>> >> disappear, taken hostage, their fates unknown, wondering if they
>>>>>> >> would be
>>>>>> >> next.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> March 14th. The day that the Israeli army led a daring raid on the
>>>>>> >> Jericho
>>>>>> >> prison abandoned by Americans and the British, left solely guarded
>>>>>> >> by
>>>>>> >> Palestinian jailers. The day that Israel entered the prison and
>>>>>> >> took
>>>>>> >> captive
>>>>>> >> five members of the PFLP, the Palestinian Front for the Liberation
>>>>>> >> of
>>>>>> >> Palestine. The day that five men responsible for the murder of
>>>>>> >> Israeli
>>>>>> >> Minister of Tourism Rechavam "Ghandi" Zeevi exchanged a
>>>>>> >> Palestinian
>>>>>> >> prison
>>>>>> >> for an Israeli prison.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> For the Israelis, it was worth the wait.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> >> So Israel waited, the United States and the United Kingdom
>>>>>> >> watched, and
>>>>>> >> the
>>>>>> >> Palestinians will be punished for their crime. It was inevitable.
>>>>>> >> Time
>>>>>> >> was
>>>>>> >> on the side of justice.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21745
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Well done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No doubt about it....
>>>>>
>>>>> But how did it feel, cosying up to Taliban
>>>>> torres?
>>>>
>>>> Made my stomach turn ...... I will NEVER EVER EVER do that again.....
>>>
>>> <ENORMOUS SIGH OF RELIEF>
>>>
>>> Dave, it's great to have you back!! :-)
>>
>> Thanks Ed, I really hated doing that.
>
> So then why did you?
I don't know. I guess I was trying to prove a point...... it doesn't really
matter now......
==============================================================================
TOPIC: Afghan's are true moslems
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/1b2c6db9c8ae0ff7
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 6:49 pm
From: "Aardman"
"Neil Boss" <neilboss_boss@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:dvv6a5$1bc$1@news-02.connect.com.au...
> What progress and the American men and women gave their lives up for such
> progress, oh what progress.
>
Yes, the moderate Muslims are such an improvement over those wacky
Talibanis. Nothing like a swift beheading to dispatch an infidel. Lets
send them another trillion dollars! Maybe it will buy them indoor plumbing
so they can have a nice bathtub to dismember their victims in.
==============================================================================
TOPIC: Dine and Dance at Karachi University
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/612b78692fd8323c
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 1:53 pm
From: "Neil Boss"
India used to be great place before Muslims and Christian invaded too.
Punjab was good too. The common factor in problems is Islam and
Christianity.
<naureen101@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1143162567.194372.183130@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Mirza Ghalib wrote:
> > Truly a (third) world class university
> > ====================================
> > KU ISSUES
> >
> > Letter in Dawn, Mar 23
> >
> >
> > KARACHI University's cafeteria is in an awful condition. Dirty cats
> > roam inside, trash is strewn over the floor, broken seats, dirty dining
> > tables and just one big over-stuffed trash bin. There is one old man
>
>
> Karachi university used to be one of the best universities but due to
> poonjabi politics it has turn into a garbage slum. Now , swiss,
> catholic and American schools of poonjab shines inside and out.
>
==============================================================================
TOPIC: Would HE have sent his children to Iraq ?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b1618eba9409b05d
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 9:37 pm
From: ray
In article <RsIUf.636970$084.146484@attbi_s22>,
GW Chimpzilla's Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia <gw@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ray wrote:
>
> > In article <GVFUf.879653$xm3.304468@attbi_s21>,
> > GW Chimpzilla's Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia <gw@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> ray wrote:
> >>
> >> > In article <1441203.aHYfLYjTKD@minds.org>, Hugo <conscience@minds.org>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> ray wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > In article <1304751.YyEzrzrcFH@minds.org>, Hugo
> >> >> > <conscience@minds.org>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Would HE have sent his children to Iraq ?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> - Would he have been so eager for Collin Powell to present pictures
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> a
> >> >> >> mobile gasoline filter and claim it was a mobile chemical weapons
> >> >> >> lab
> >> >> >> ??
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> - Would he have been so eager for a 'easy' military victory, if he
> >> >> >> had
> >> >> >> had
> >> >> >> the Presidential wisdom to understand the real cost of war ??
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> - Was landing on an aircraft carrier in a flight suite to announce
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> fighting was over, worth the after math ??
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> - Are the ten junior officers doing time for Abu Ghraib to protect
> >> >> >> General
> >> >> >> Miller, or the Administration who issued his orders ??
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> - When would a President who uses the US flag as a teflon cover for
> >> >> >> his
> >> >> >> decisions, ever admit to his first mistake ??
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Would you be willing to pay $6.00 per gallon for gasoline?
> >> >>
> >> >> Good to know what YOUR motives are ;
> >> >>
> >> >> Burn the children, burn the soldiers;
> >> >> just so long as we get cheap gasoline for you,
> >> >> the rest of the people can burn for your desire.
> >> >
> >> > And what about your motives?
> >> >
> >> Iraq was producing much more oil before AWOL Bush took over. Conservatives
> >> are
> >> so incompetent that they really can't do anything right except loot the
> >> taxpayers.
> >
> > Actually, it's the Republicans who gave out tax breaks
>
> No, the republicans simply lowered your monthly payments. You're still liable
> for their spending. Idiot.
Ah yes, typical liberal with the personal insults. Well, like I always
said, we are all products of our mother. But if you are to be honest
with yourself (and I'm sure you never have) you will take note that the
waste of spending comes from both sides. Or, do I have to remind you of
Clintons Government Air Conditioners or Midnight Basketball that ended
up in three separate shootings? Of course, that's just a start. We can
then talk about the North Korea deal he struck by giving the communists
500,000 tons of heating oil every year to NOT make nuclear weapons; and
we all know how that turned out.
But let me tell you the difference between Conservatives and Liberals.
When we see somebody in our party doing something wrong--we point it
out. Liberals on the other hand back their guy no matter what. You
will find many a Conservative criticizing Bush and Congress on the
spending issues. You will never find a Liberal Democrat once criticize
the waste of spending on their side. I have seen many Conservatives
state they were not happy with the Prescription Drug Program nor Bush's
policy on Border Security.
> > --it's the
> > Democrats that loot taxpayers. Iraq is only our fifth oil supplier in
> > this country.
--
NewsGuy.Com 30Gb $9.95 Carry Forward and On Demand Bandwidth
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TOPIC: Australia - Uranium to China: it's a deal
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/1e8d41633c73eca5
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 1:55 pm
From: "Neil Boss"
But they are planning to sell the mines too to China! Its good we have
people like Hunter01 around just goes to show how these animals think like.
harmony <aka@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:reFUf.3055$9h5.1049@dukeread09...
> they sold their soul long back. uranium is all they got left now.
Just an extract below there are two articles about the government in
Australia wanting to have China mine uranium in Australia. Hunter did say I
was lying, the government is look at ways to allow chinses ownership of a
mine in Australia, just wait for this to happen.
ALEXANDER DOWNER: Well, if China, if Labor changed its policy, if we had a
nuclear safeguards agreement, and if the Foreign Investment Review Board
approved the investment, then they could do it, but there are - to use a
Chinese-style expression - the three ifs.
Neil Boss <neilboss_boss@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:dum28h$mgk$1@news-01.bur.connect.com.au...
> Rubbish a whole mine is being offered to China and little assurances are
> being asked as they are one of the original nuclear powers.
Hunter01 <hunter01@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:441cdde1$0$23188$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> No fuckwit, Aurukun is a bauxite mine... Now kindly remove your head
> from your arse and stopping proving what lying cunts the hindutva are.
www.abc.net.au/am/content/2005/s1483665.htm
China wants Australia's uranium PRINT FRIENDLY EMAIL STORY
AM - Monday, 17 October , 2005 08:14:01
Reporter: Catherine McGrath
TONY EASTLEY: China wants to mine uranium in Australia, and Foreign Minister
Alexander Downer says it's possible but only if Labor changes its three
mines policy.
Mr Downer says the Chinese plans would also have to pass the Foreign
Investment Review Board, and the Nuclear Safeguards Agreement would have to
be finalised.
Alexander Downer has confirmed reports in today's Age newspaper that he was
asked about the issue in a meeting with Chinese officials in August last
year.
At that meeting, Chinese delegates said they knew that the issue was a
"sensitive one for Australia".
Alexander Downer is speaking here with our Chief Political Correspondent
Catherine McGrath.
CATHERINE MCGRATH: Alexander Downer, can you tell us first of all about that
meeting with China's Vice Chairman of the National Development and Reform
Commission, Zhang Guobao, where he asked about access to the Australian
industry?
ALEXANDER DOWNER: Well I explained to him, from recollection, but it's quite
a long time ago, that obviously we have nuclear safeguards agreements and we
don't export uranium to countries that aren't, with which we don't have a
nuclear safeguards agreement.
So, beyond that, if China wanted to negotiate with Australia a nuclear
safeguards agreement, and that was satisfactorily negotiated, we would be
able to export uranium to China.
CATHERINE MCGRATH: So what came first, their interest in exporting and
receiving Australian uranium and having a safeguards agreement, or their
desire to be part of the industry here and conduct their own exploration and
mining?
ALEXANDER DOWNER: I honestly don't know the answer to that, excepting that
they can't of course export uranium from Australia to China unless they have
a nuclear safeguards agreement.
CATHERINE MCGRATH: Given China's nuclear weapons, would it have the ability
to be involved in exploring and exporting uranium from here?
ALEXANDER DOWNER: Well, France does of course, and France is a nuclear
weapon state, so anything's possible I suppose, but you've got to remember
that the States have a. sorry, the Labor Party overall, and they control all
of the States and Territories, they have a three mines policy. So they
wouldn't approve any new uranium mines, so it's all a bit academic unless
they change their policy.
But if they change their policy, well there's no reason why Chinese
companies can't invest in Australian resources industries, but that would
all be subject to the Foreign Investment Review Board.
CATHERINE MCGRATH: Would there be greater concerns with China, though? Given
the power issues at the moment between China and Taiwan, given the
involvement of the US, the sensitivity there is so much greater than, for
example, the French experience?
ALEXANDER DOWNER: Well I wouldn't align China with the old Soviet Union, as
people sort of seem to do, they think that China is trying to export some,
you know, communist ideology. China is not trying to export ideology to
anybody.
China is a rapidly developing economy, and those concerns would be dealt
with, that you mention in your question, they would be dealt with by the
fact that we wouldn't be exporting any uranium to China for military
purposes of any kind, and by that I don't only mean for use in nuclear
weapons, but also we wouldn't be exporting any uranium to China for use in
military vessels of one kind or vehicles of one kind or another.
CATHERINE MCGRATH: So, Mr Downer, do you personally support it?
ALEXANDER DOWNER: Ah, well I'm a supporter of the nuclear industry, and I
do.
CATHERINE MCGRATH: Are you a supporter of China being involved in its own
exploration here?
ALEXANDER DOWNER: Well, I mean, we'd have to look at it on a case-by-case
basis.
CATHERINE MCGRATH: But there's nothing to stop China doing it if Labor
changed its policy, and if China met the safeguards agreement?
ALEXANDER DOWNER: Well, if China, if Labor changed its policy, if we had a
nuclear safeguards agreement, and if the Foreign Investment Review Board
approved the investment, then they could do it, but there are - to use a
Chinese-style expression - the three ifs.
TONY EASTLEY: The Foreign Minister, Alexander Downer, speaking with
Catherine McGrath.
http://www.theage.com.au/news/National/Chinese-uranium-firms-must-meet-laws-
PM/2005/10/17/1129401160983.html
Govt open to China uranium exploration
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The federal government is open to the idea of China conducting uranium
exploration and mining in Australia.
The two nations are in the midst of negotiations to draw up a nuclear
safeguards agreement that would allow Australia to export uranium to China.
China apparently wants to take those talks further, asking Australia if it
could conduct its own mining and exploration.
China raised the issue during talks in February, Fairfax newspapers
reported.
Prime Minister John Howard said he was not aware of any approach from China.
"I'm not directly aware of any approach other than the normal interest of
companies in which Chinese financial interests may in turn have an
interest," he told the Nine Network.
"If China, or indeed anybody else, wants to mine uranium in Australia
they'll be subject to the same laws as anybody else; that's our foreign
investment laws."
The Chinese Embassy in Canberra would not say whether it was interested in
investing in Australia's uranium industry.
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AdvertisementA spokeswoman for Chinese ambassador Madame Fu Ying said it was
too early to comment while the two countries were still negotiating the
nuclear safeguards agreement.
"It is still too early to say what level of cooperation we will have," she
told AAP.
She confirmed Australia had sent Beijing a draft agreement, which was still
being considered.
Foreign Minister Alexander Downer said China would be treated like any other
country and would have to overcome a number of hurdles.
"There is no reason why Chinese companies can't invest in the Australian
resources industry but that would all be subject to the foreign investment
review board," he told ABC radio.
Another stumbling block to Chinese investment would be Labor's three mines
policy, which puts a limit on the development of any new uranium mines in
Australia.
Labor controls all the state and territory governments in Australia.
Mr Downer said the other proviso on Chinese investment would be a deal on a
nuclear safeguards agreement.
"If Labor changed its (three mines) policy, if we had a nuclear safeguards
agreement and if the foreign investment review board approved the
investment, then (China) could do it but they are, to use a Chinese style
expression, the three ifs," he said.
Opposition Leader Kim Beazley indicated Labor had no intention of changing
its three mines policy.
"I would say at this stage we're as far into the business as we want to be,"
he said.
"They've got plenty of opportunity to acquire uranium from current
facilities."
Australian Greens senator Bob Brown urged the government against engaging
with China on uranium sales or investment in the industry.
"In this age of terrorism and handbag-sized nuclear weapons, selling uranium
to Beijing is reminiscent of selling pig-iron to prewar Japan," he said in a
statement.
© 2005 AAP
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TOPIC: WTC, WAS BLOWN UP-UNDERWRITERS!
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Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 9:58 pm
From: "serwad"
WTC Construction Certifiers Say Towers Should Have Easily Withstood Jet Fuel
Temperatures
1 comment(s).
WTC Construction Certifiers Say Towers Should Have Easily Withstood Jet Fuel
Temperatures
Kevin Ryan/Underwriters Laboratories | November 12 2004
The following letter was sent today by Kevin Ryan of Underwriters
Laboratories to Frank Gayle of the National Institute of Standards and
Technology (NIST). Underwriters Laboratories is the company that certified
the steel componets used in the constuction of the World Trade Center
towers. The information in this letter is of great importance.
Dr. Gayle,
Having recently reviewed your team's report of 10/19/04, I felt the need to
contact you directly.
As I'm sure you know, the company I work for certified the steel components
used in the construction of the WTC buildings. In requesting information
from both our CEO and Fire Protection business manager last year, I learned
that they did not agree on the essential aspects of the story, except for
one thing - that the samples we certified met all requirements. They
suggested we all be patient and understand that UL was working with your
team, and that tests would continue through this year. I'm aware of UL's
attempts to help, including performing tests on models of the floor
assemblies. But the results of these tests appear to indicate that the
buildings should have easily withstood the thermal stress caused by pools of
burning jet fuel.
There continues to be a number of "experts" making public claims about how
the WTC buildings fell. One such person, Dr. Hyman Brown from the WTC
construction crew, claims that the buildings collapsed due to fires at 2000F
melting the steel (1). He states "What caused the building to collapse is
the airplane fuel...burning at 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit. The steel in that
five-floor area melts." Additionally, the newspaper that quotes him says
"Just-released preliminary findings from a National Institute of Standards
and Technology study of the World Trade Center collapse support Brown's
theory."
We know that the steel components were certified to ASTM E119. The time
temperature curves for this standard require the samples to be exposed to
temperatures around 2000F for several hours. And as we all agree, the steel
applied met those specifications. Additionally, I think we can all agree
that even un-fireproofed steel will not melt until reaching red-hot
temperatures of nearly 3000F (2). Why Dr. Brown would imply that 2000F would
melt the high-grade steel used in those buildings makes no sense at all.
The results of your recently published metallurgical tests seem to clear
things up (3), and support your team's August 2003 update as detailed by the
Associated Press (4), in which you were ready to "rule out weak steel as a
contributing factor in the collapse." The evaluation of paint deformation
and spheroidization seem very straightforward, and you noted that the
samples available were adequate for the investigation. Your comments suggest
that the steel was probably exposed to temperatures of only about 500F
(250C), which is what one might expect from a thermodynamic analysis of the
situation.
However the summary of the new NIST report seems to ignore your findings, as
it suggests that these low temperatures caused exposed bits of the building's
steel core to "soften and buckle." (5) Additionally this summary states that
the perimeter columns softened, yet your findings make clear that "most
perimeter panels (157 of 160) saw no temperature above 250C." To soften
steel for the purposes of forging, normally temperatures need to be
above1100C (6). However, this new summary report suggests that much lower
temperatures were be able to not only soften the steel in a matter of
minutes, but lead to rapid structural collapse.
This story just does not add up. If steel from those buildings did soften or
melt, I'm sure we can all agree that this was certainly not due to jet fuel
fires of any kind, let alone the briefly burning fires in those towers. That
fact should be of great concern to all Americans. Alternatively, the
contention that this steel did fail at temperatures around 250C suggests
that the majority of deaths on 9/11 were due to a safety-related failure.
That suggestion should be of great concern to my company.
There is no question that the events of 9/11 are the emotional driving force
behind the War on Terror. And the issue of the WTC collapse is at the crux
of the story of 9/11. My feeling is that your metallurgical tests are at the
crux of the crux of the crux. Either you can make sense of what really
happened to those buildings, and communicate this quickly, or we all face
the same destruction and despair that come from global decisions based on
disinformation and "chatter".
Thanks for your efforts to determine what happened on that day. You may know
that there are a number of other current and former government employees
that have risked a great deal to help us to know the truth. I've copied one
of these people on this message as a sign of respect and support. I believe
your work could also be a nucleus of fact around which the truth, and
thereby global peace and justice, can grow again. Please do what you can to
quickly eliminate the confusion regarding the ability of jet fuel fires to
soften or melt structural steel.
1. http://www.boulderweekly.com/archive/102104/coverstory.html 2. CRC
Handbook of Chemistry and Physics, 61st edition, pg D-187 3.
http://wtc.nist.gov/media/P3MechanicalandMetAnalysisofSteel.pdf 4.
http://www.voicesofsept11.org/archive/911ic/082703.php 5.
http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NCSTACWTCStatusFINAL101904WEB2.pdf (pg 11) 6.
http://www.forging.org/FIERF/pdf/ffaaMacSleyne.pdf
Kevin Ryan
Site Manager Environmental Health Laboratories A Division of Underwriters
Laboratories
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TOPIC: The Zionist Lobby and American Foreign Policy
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/95abc7205c5ce432
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Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 7:03 pm
From: flaviaR@verizon.net
On 23-Mar-2006, "The State Department \(formerly DoD\)"
<neo-liberal@wehatebush.org> wrote:
> <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:hwsUf.15237$bu.5982@trnddc04...
> >
> > On 22-Mar-2006, "Ed" <nesorde@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> It's the phony rev again, Susan. Check the paths.
> >
> > I did, but if it's the phony rev he not only has yet another
> > ISP, he's changed his "style".
>
> Good god, you people are goofy...
How am *I* goofy, when I'm the one saying it's not the phony rev?
>.I am with you all.. I am a total bush
> hater now..I have sent out the emails..... we should hate our pres....
I figure this is all a joke on your part, but one in very bad taste.
Susan
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