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Tuesday, March 28, 2006

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Today's topics:

* A mosque....is it a battle field ? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/7e76b7acc868a33b
* GOVERNMENTS MUST RESPECT MINORITY RIGHTS TO BE RIGHTEOUS - Afghanistan and
China take heed! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d0843135830a26cf
* Wanna get pissed? - 5 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9fdc494eb8bf647
* USA votes AGAINST homos' rights council,Sean and Vasififi upset - 1 messages,
1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a5dd7ab02b35db01
* Now they want to continent - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/97af210c6a4a2cbd
* GASOLINE ([PETROL) PRICES WILL JUMP IN PRICE FROM AROUND $1.20 TO $3.29 PER
LITER NEXT WEEK !!! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6b0bba95363bd28b
* 500,000 immigration advocates march in Los Angelos - 6 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a7922568c71505bc
* Hijacking It's own Citizen for a Job...They cannot Perform them self... - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/34767726f4ffe2e6
* Unclean' Stray Dogs in Turkey Killed, Tortured and sexually abused by Muslim
Councils - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/81bce19b5d993914
* Illegal Hispanic Immigration & rally in LA - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/965a78900803abba
* About Bush's crimes and his character - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9898abf4b1deeb2f
* Imagine - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/50ed3dbf7120b6ad
* Turkish terrorism continues in Europe - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/15a3048fdac430d9
* The Uew N, Uew S of A and the IAEOY VAY!!? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/dd19ae634aa478e9
* PENTAGON PREPARING FOR CONFLICT WITH CHINA - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f420176900d34d72

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TOPIC: A mosque....is it a battle field ?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/7e76b7acc868a33b
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 12:13 pm
From: "Bad boy"

"fairplay" <fairplay@hiwaay.net> wrote in message
news:122ihkpn0tcf228@corp.supernews.com...
> Bad boy wrote:
>> "Aardman" <aardman@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:B6idnYthQKI8BbXZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>>>"Bad boy" <badboy_sinland@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:4427a0d2$1@news.starhub.net.sg...
>>>
>>>>A Mosque is a place for prayer, a holy place.
>>>>It should not be made into an arena for battle.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Where were you when Al Quaeda blew up Al Askariya?
>>
>>
>> I was sitting in my arm chair, drinking beer, with
>> my girl on my lap, in the cosy comfort of my air-conditioned
>> home, watching BBC breaking news, with BBC reporter
>> on the scene.
>
> And waiting for something to pop up? o:-)

Not waiting for it....but making it happen :)

Bad boy

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TOPIC: GOVERNMENTS MUST RESPECT MINORITY RIGHTS TO BE RIGHTEOUS - Afghanistan
and China take heed!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d0843135830a26cf
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 8:17 pm
From: charles_liu@my-deja.com

politicsmaster@rock.com wrote:
> Thus, in the U.S. we have a constitution which protects some minority
> rights by requiring more than a simple majority to make changes.
> 3/4ths of the state legislatures must agree to an amendment. Simple
> laws past by a majority in congress, or by a majority in a state
> government, may be ruled unconstitutional by the courts if they
> contradict the constitution, and violate minority rights.

And if the Supereme Court rule against the executive, just ignore the
ruling, delay it with a mound of petitions, then get the legislative to
pass law to reverse the decision.

I think before we talk about respect for minority, let's try "respect
for majority" in America first. Less than 40% of Americans are against
Iraq war, yet Bush regime and party cadres in Congress just raise the
debt ceiling to nerarly 9 trillion to pay for Bush's colonial war.

That's while FEMA is asking the poor black folks who had to live in
swapns that got flooded out of New Orleans to return relief checks.

Shame on us America.

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TOPIC: Wanna get pissed?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9fdc494eb8bf647
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 10:19 pm
From: Just another American

http://lang.whittierdailynews.com/socal/gallery2/news/032806_SV_walk4/1.jpg

http://lang.whittierdailynews.com/socal/gallery2/news/032806_SV_walk4/2.jpg

http://lang.whittierdailynews.com/socal/gallery2/news/032806_SV_walk1/3.jpg

http://lang.whittierdailynews.com/socal/gallery2/news/032806_SV_walk4/10.jpg

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 4:58 am
From: "JP"

Interesting pix - would help to know where this is at!

JP
---

"Just another American" <abc@def.net> wrote in message
news:9f2k221pvi2itfoj161m19hfut3nt4uj7j@4ax.com...
>
>
> http://lang.whittierdailynews.com/socal/gallery2/news/032806_SV_walk4/1.jpg
>
> http://lang.whittierdailynews.com/socal/gallery2/news/032806_SV_walk4/2.jpg
>
> http://lang.whittierdailynews.com/socal/gallery2/news/032806_SV_walk1/3.jpg
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> http://lang.whittierdailynews.com/socal/gallery2/news/032806_SV_walk4/10.jpg
>

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 5:09 am
From: "Lets Roll"

DALLAS -- A student's hand was severed Tuesday when a sport utility vehicle
she was in crashed on the way to an immigration rally, the first major
injury reported in Texas during two days of student walkouts protesting
immigrant legislation in Congress.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 9:27 pm
From: Just another American

On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 04:58:02 GMT, "JP" <jp@private.nospam> wrote:

>Interesting pix - would help to know where this is at!
>
>JP
>---
>

Whittier in Southern California..
Hundreds more pictures at their site:

http://www.whittierdailynews.com

>"Just another American" <abc@def.net> wrote in message
>news:9f2k221pvi2itfoj161m19hfut3nt4uj7j@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>> http://lang.whittierdailynews.com/socal/gallery2/news/032806_SV_walk4/1.jpg
>>
>> http://lang.whittierdailynews.com/socal/gallery2/news/032806_SV_walk4/2.jpg
>>
>> http://lang.whittierdailynews.com/socal/gallery2/news/032806_SV_walk1/3.jpg
>>
>> http://lang.whittierdailynews.com/socal/gallery2/news/032806_SV_walk4/10.jpg
>>

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 9:31 pm
From: "JP"

"Just another American" <abc@def.net> wrote in message
news:nj6k22dr782db206c6kh8m5q922baslp69@4ax.com...

> Whittier in Southern California..
> Hundreds more pictures at their site:
>
> http://www.whittierdailynews.com

Thanks - the pix speak volumes.

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TOPIC: USA votes AGAINST homos' rights council,Sean and Vasififi upset
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a5dd7ab02b35db01
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 8:27 pm
From: "ReXbatt0"

Both Turks

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TOPIC: Now they want to continent
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/97af210c6a4a2cbd
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 4:28 am
From: "Titix"

Read the signs. http://www.mexica-movement.org/granmarcha.htm

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TOPIC: GASOLINE ([PETROL) PRICES WILL JUMP IN PRICE FROM AROUND $1.20 TO $3.29
PER LITER NEXT WEEK !!!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6b0bba95363bd28b
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 11:27 pm
From: "Nedabiah"

"Moshe the Kosher Honey-baked ham loving PigT"
<stargatedecember2012@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1143604434.193685.237680@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>
> Around April 4th/April 5th, 2006
>
No problem, the American Jewish messiah will buy oil from Venezuela and
Mexico at 20 cents a gallon.

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TOPIC: 500,000 immigration advocates march in Los Angelos
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a7922568c71505bc
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 8:42 pm
From: "¿mÿ§të®¦@n?"

In talk.politics.guns "Bo Raxo"
<forensics@earthcorp.removethistoreply.com> wrote:

>
>"¿mÿ§të®¦@n?" <?@?.com> wrote in message
>news:m9fi2218mgfku5k7pbv4va9803co5tm9su@4ax.com...
>> In talk.politics.guns "Bo Raxo"
>> <forensics@earthcorp.removethistoreply.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >So on what basis do you conclude people out to protect the rights of a
>> >minority are racist?!?
>>
>> First of all, they're not out to protect the rights of a minority.
>> They never have been. They're out to decriminalize illegal
>> immigration.
>>
>> Second if you took the time to read the website of some of the
>> supporting organizations, you would see that they are, indeed, racist.
>>
>> But you won't.
>>
>> http://www.mexica-movement.org/ENTERHERETEXTONLY.htm
>
>First, you pick one fringe group that supported the march. The biggest
>organizer was the Catholic Church.

Cite, please. Thank you.

>Are they racist?
>
>Second, the very site you list calls for : "NO to racism against Europeans"
>"YES to supporting the constitution of the United States"
>"WE WANT THE PROBLEM OF COLONIALISM SOLVED WITH A DEMOCRATIC,
>CONSTITUTIONAL, AND NON-VIOLENT SOLUTION! "
>
>Doesn't sound racist to me.

That's because you're an idiot. Try reading the material on the site.
_____________
>You apparently have a problem with logic and common sense.
"The two are mutually exclusive, in case you didn't know.. *>LOL!<*"

- Kurt Harrington-Lochner,
attempting to define
LochnerLogic®

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 4:47 am
From: "Morton Davis"

"¿mÿ§të®¦@n?" <?@?.com> wrote in message
news:s04k229g0okjkic6bjr2vc37csah70t1ch@4ax.com...
> In talk.politics.guns "Bo Raxo"
> <forensics@earthcorp.removethistoreply.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"¿mÿ§të®¦@n?" <?@?.com> wrote in message
> >news:m9fi2218mgfku5k7pbv4va9803co5tm9su@4ax.com...
> >> In talk.politics.guns "Bo Raxo"
> >> <forensics@earthcorp.removethistoreply.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >So on what basis do you conclude people out to protect the rights of a
> >> >minority are racist?!?
> >>
> >> First of all, they're not out to protect the rights of a minority.
> >> They never have been. They're out to decriminalize illegal
> >> immigration.
> >>
> >> Second if you took the time to read the website of some of the
> >> supporting organizations, you would see that they are, indeed, racist.
> >>
> >> But you won't.
> >>
> >> http://www.mexica-movement.org/ENTERHERETEXTONLY.htm
> >
> >First, you pick one fringe group that supported the march. The biggest
> >organizer was the Catholic Church.
>
> Cite, please. Thank you.
>
> >Are they racist?
> >
> >Second, the very site you list calls for : "NO to racism against
Europeans"
> >"YES to supporting the constitution of the United States"
> >"WE WANT THE PROBLEM OF COLONIALISM SOLVED WITH A DEMOCRATIC,
> >CONSTITUTIONAL, AND NON-VIOLENT SOLUTION! "
> >
> >Doesn't sound racist to me.
>
> That's because you're an idiot. Try reading the material on the site.
>
How much Mescal did the guy who designed that site consume?

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 8:58 pm
From: "¿mÿ§të®¦@n?"

In talk.politics.guns "Morton Davis" <antikerry@go.com> wrote:

>
>"¿mÿ§të®¦@n?" <?@?.com> wrote in message
>news:s04k229g0okjkic6bjr2vc37csah70t1ch@4ax.com...
>> In talk.politics.guns "Bo Raxo"
>> <forensics@earthcorp.removethistoreply.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"¿mÿ§të®¦@n?" <?@?.com> wrote in message
>> >news:m9fi2218mgfku5k7pbv4va9803co5tm9su@4ax.com...
>> >> In talk.politics.guns "Bo Raxo"
>> >> <forensics@earthcorp.removethistoreply.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >So on what basis do you conclude people out to protect the rights of a
>> >> >minority are racist?!?
>> >>
>> >> First of all, they're not out to protect the rights of a minority.
>> >> They never have been. They're out to decriminalize illegal
>> >> immigration.
>> >>
>> >> Second if you took the time to read the website of some of the
>> >> supporting organizations, you would see that they are, indeed, racist.
>> >>
>> >> But you won't.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.mexica-movement.org/ENTERHERETEXTONLY.htm
>> >
>> >First, you pick one fringe group that supported the march. The biggest
>> >organizer was the Catholic Church.
>>
>> Cite, please. Thank you.
>>
>> >Are they racist?
>> >
>> >Second, the very site you list calls for : "NO to racism against
>Europeans"
>> >"YES to supporting the constitution of the United States"
>> >"WE WANT THE PROBLEM OF COLONIALISM SOLVED WITH A DEMOCRATIC,
>> >CONSTITUTIONAL, AND NON-VIOLENT SOLUTION! "
>> >
>> >Doesn't sound racist to me.
>>
>> That's because you're an idiot. Try reading the material on the site.
>>
>How much Mescal did the guy who designed that site consume?

Enough to think he's going to get Europeans to sail back to Europe and
leave everything here.
_____________
>You apparently have a problem with logic and common sense.
"The two are mutually exclusive, in case you didn't know.. *>LOL!<*"

- Kurt Harrington-Lochner,
attempting to define
LochnerLogic®

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 9:21 pm
From: "It's IBen to you..."

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
> Looks like it's too late now to stop this. Stupid white Americans let
> the mexicans invade our country and now the politicians are so scared
> of losing the vote of the legal mexicans that they won't kick out the
> illegals.
>
<snip>

We tried to tell you this was going to happen, but then, we were just
simple ol' "racists" and "Rednecks"...

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 5:24 am
From: "Bo Raxo"

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-me-march28mar28,1,3049424.story?coll=la-headlines-frontpage

The idea for the march first sprouted in February in the oldest church in
Los Angeles: Our Lady Queen of Angels, which has historically served as a
sanctuary for undocumented migrants.

The church near Olvera Street has become one of the city's organizing hubs
against the House bill, playing a leading role in promoting the Roman
Catholic Church's national "Justice for Immigrants" campaign. Cardinal Roger
M. Mahony last December appointed a committee to promote the national
campaign throughout the 5-million-member Los Angeles Archdiocese.

> >Are they racist?
> >
> >Second, the very site you list calls for : "NO to racism against
Europeans"
> >"YES to supporting the constitution of the United States"
> >"WE WANT THE PROBLEM OF COLONIALISM SOLVED WITH A DEMOCRATIC,
> >CONSTITUTIONAL, AND NON-VIOLENT SOLUTION! "
> >
> >Doesn't sound racist to me.
>
> That's because you're an idiot. Try reading the material on the site.
>

I quoted it, as you can see. If you think something there is racist, go
ahead and quote it.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 9:26 pm
From: "Bo Raxo"

"¿mÿ§të®¦@n?" <?@?.com> wrote in message
news:gv4k221h9fd5jjmgj60tn966hmch74t4j4@4ax.com...
> In talk.politics.guns "Morton Davis" <antikerry@go.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"¿mÿ§të®¦@n?" <?@?.com> wrote in message
> >news:s04k229g0okjkic6bjr2vc37csah70t1ch@4ax.com...
> >> In talk.politics.guns "Bo Raxo"
> >> <forensics@earthcorp.removethistoreply.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"¿mÿ§të®¦@n?" <?@?.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:m9fi2218mgfku5k7pbv4va9803co5tm9su@4ax.com...
> >> >> In talk.politics.guns "Bo Raxo"
> >> >> <forensics@earthcorp.removethistoreply.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >So on what basis do you conclude people out to protect the rights
of a
> >> >> >minority are racist?!?
> >> >>
> >> >> First of all, they're not out to protect the rights of a minority.
> >> >> They never have been. They're out to decriminalize illegal
> >> >> immigration.
> >> >>
> >> >> Second if you took the time to read the website of some of the
> >> >> supporting organizations, you would see that they are, indeed,
racist.
> >> >>
> >> >> But you won't.
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.mexica-movement.org/ENTERHERETEXTONLY.htm
> >> >
> >> >First, you pick one fringe group that supported the march. The
biggest
> >> >organizer was the Catholic Church.
> >>
> >> Cite, please. Thank you.
> >>
> >> >Are they racist?
> >> >
> >> >Second, the very site you list calls for : "NO to racism against
> >Europeans"
> >> >"YES to supporting the constitution of the United States"
> >> >"WE WANT THE PROBLEM OF COLONIALISM SOLVED WITH A DEMOCRATIC,
> >> >CONSTITUTIONAL, AND NON-VIOLENT SOLUTION! "
> >> >
> >> >Doesn't sound racist to me.
> >>
> >> That's because you're an idiot. Try reading the material on the site.
> >>
> >How much Mescal did the guy who designed that site consume?
>
> Enough to think he's going to get Europeans to sail back to Europe and
> leave everything here.

Except it doesn't say that, moron. It says some wacky sounding things, it
says it wants to "end the occupation" and "return what was stolen", but it
also says it wants to respect the rights of European Americans and solve
things in a manner consistent with democracy and the U.S. constitution.

That said, it is one ugly ass web site, whew! The use of color in Latino
culture is traditionally much bolder than among us gabachos - perhaps
expressing a confidence and exuberance that has been drained out of anglo
culture. All the more reason we need an infusion of youth and a strong work
ethic thanks to Hispanic families making their lives here in the U.S.

Bo Raxo

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TOPIC: Hijacking It's own Citizen for a Job...They cannot Perform them self...
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/34767726f4ffe2e6
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 8:52 pm
From: "AirLao"

People, That What the US Government Wanted to become a legal
bill,Because They think Illegal aliens outnumber federal
Government...Law Official...That Why We need all the America to come
out and show people power. Why, the government should not
Hijacking It's own Citizen for a Job...They cannot Perform them
self...

http://www.insidebayarea.com/localnews/ci_3641633
llegal immigrant debate heads to Senate floor
Activists say securing U.S. borders is not enough to solve the problems
By Michele R. Marcucci, STAFF WRITER
The debate over the fate of an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants
- roughly 2.4 million of whom are believed to live in California -
is headed to the U.S. Senate floor this week.
On one side is a strange assortment of bedfellows - Democrats and
moderate Republicans, businesses and unions, churches and President
Bush - all saying that America needs to find some way to legalize
undocumented workers who are already here, while making it tougher for
new people to enter America and remain illegally.

HS
ThaiLaoMedia.com

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TOPIC: Unclean' Stray Dogs in Turkey Killed, Tortured and sexually abused by
Muslim Councils
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/81bce19b5d993914
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 8:54 pm
From: "Richard"

You are kidding!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 9:10 pm
From: "rich murphy"

"From: Ali Asker (pasa_asker@lycos.com)
Subject: Re: Kuwerdish contribution to Oscar 2005
This is the only article in this thread
View: Original Format
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian, soc.culture.kurdish,
soc.culture.turkish, soc.culture.iraq
Date: 2004-10-02 04:55:12 PST

We are the TERRORISTS...

We will divide Iran, Turkey, Syria and Iraq in to the pieces until
ever single individual is free from thought control, torture and
brain-washing! Every nation should have their own land where they can
practice their own culture. Iran has consist of about 20 some
different nations and we will tore them in to 20 different countries
and give mollahs a small land where they can practice their barbaric
religion to themselves and only harm temselves.

WE WILL BREAK IRAN IN TO THE PIECES!!! "

++++++++++++++++++

http://www.turkses.com/index.asp

The Terror Organization KADEK

1. General

Historical Background

The initial activities regarding the terror organization PKK have
started with the intellectual activities of some students defending the
Marxist-Leninist ideology within the Ankara's Democratic Patriotic
Students Association (ADYÖD) under the leadership of Abdullah ÖCALAN
since 1973.

Abdullah ÖCALAN and his friends declared the setting up of the
Kurdistan's Workers Party (PKK) during an illegal meeting held in the
Diyarbakir province, Lice district, Fis village on November 27, 1978
which was called 1 st. Congress.

The inital documents stating PKK's aim were the "The Way Of
Kurdistan's Revolution-Manifesto" and party program published in 1978.
According to the said program, the aim of the terror organization is to
found initially an independent Marxist-Leninist Kurdistan state in the
East and Southeast Anatolian regions in Turkey by using the method of
armed propaganda and to achieve subsequently its final goal of
establishing an "Independent United Kurdistan" through the unification
of the Kurdish states to be founded in neighboring countries.

To this end, the terror organization PKK having officially declared
the commencement of its armed activities following the bloody attacks
on the districts Eruh and Þemdinli on August 15, 1984 has determined
four-stage strategy in order to divide and destroy Turkey by trying to
gather some part of the people, who have been living in peace within
the country for thousands of years, on a separate territory under a
different flag claiming that they have allegedly a different identity.

According to the above-mentioned strategy, it has been intended to;

- Obtain certain cultural and social rights at the first stage,

- Set up an autonomy or another administrative system of federation
type at the second stage,

- Establish the alleged North Kurdistan in our territory at the
third stage and

- Found an independent and united Kurdistan state in the region to
include some parts of Iranian, Iraqi and Syrian territories at the
final stage.

To this end, the terror organization PKK has adopted the method of
separatism-based, three-phased armed propaganda which was called the
war of people, and based on violence directed against the regional
people. Accordingly, the terror organization PKK has aimed at.

- Completing strategic defense stage through armed propaganda,
alleged guerilla war and mobile war operations under the control of its
leading staff within the framework of its ideological ideas in the
first phase,

- Partially completing the process of establishing fronts and an
army and thus, creating the strategic balance which will provide the
balance of power between the security forces and the terror
organization in the second phase and,

- Establishing saved areas in the region after triggering public
risings wherever possible by escalating the conflicts and passing into
strategic attack state when seizing the authority in the third phase,

The terror organization which has increased its armed force over 8
thousand men and raised the violence it has used against the people
regardless of their being women, elder or children to the highest level
from 1992 has not been able to achieve the above-mentioned stages until
today due to the measures taken in accordance with the "Area
Superiority Concept" put into practice from 1994, and the operations
successfully conducted by security forces. As a result, the separatist
terror organization was forced to take the decision of unilateral
ceasefire four times in 1993, 1995, 1998 and finally on September 01,
1999 in order to preserve its terrorist power.

The terror organization desiring to exploit the alleged cease-fire
as an opportunity of recovery for tactical purposes has tried to prove
that it still maintains its existence by continuing its acts and
violence against the civilians and security forces in rural, on the one
hand, carrying out sabotage and bomb attacks in the cities, on the
other hand.

The Turkish Armed Forces has gained an important success in pulling
down the terror organization and its activities to a marginal level
through a successful military operation it has conducted under the
Turkish constitution and legislation to destroy the internal threat, by
acting in a way that ensures the simultaneous implementation of a
series of administrative, social and economic measures taken to prevent
the support being provided to the terror organization.

The last achievement of the Turkish Armed Forces in struggling
against terrorism was that head of the terror organization A. ÖCALAN,
who was deported from Syria, was taken to Turkey following his capture
in Kenya/Nairobi on February 15, 1999 and brought before the
independent court.

The terror organization, tending to resort again to violence during
the period when the head of the terror organization has been taken to
Turkey and brought before the judge, has been able to adapt itself to
the new situation in a short time within the framework of the defense
that head of the terror organization has made in the court and has
tried to reach its goal by exploiting Turkey's EU goal and certain
values such as human rights and democratic rights widely accepted by
the international community. Within the framework of his defense in the
court, the head of the terrorist organization has changed his tactic
and begun to articulate such concepts as "Democratic Republic" and
"Democratic Middle Eastern Union" in its defense to save himself from
capital punishment.

At the VII. Congress of the terror organization held in the Kandil
Mountain region in Iraq on January 02-23, 2000 during which the new
strategy of the terror organization was agreed, it was decided that;

- The armed activities should be resumed in case of execution of
head of the terrorist organization and.

- The Kurdistan's National Liberation Army (ARGK), the alleged
military flank of the terror organization should maintain its existence
under the title of "People Defense Forces (Hezi Parastini Gel-HP) and
the Kurdistan's National Liberation Front (ERNK), the alleged political
flank of the terror organization, which mainly carries out activities
in European countries under the "Kurdish Democratic People Union
(Yekita Democratic A Gele Kurd-YDK) until appropriate legal
arrangements regarding recognition of the Kurdish identity in Turkey
and constitutional guarantees are provided.

The legalization plan that the terror organization has developed
according to its new strategy agreed during its congress, provides for
the followings:

- Giving the message that it is ready to make peace with the
government of Turkish Republic in order to obtain the status of being
recognized as a party in national and international public opinion,

- Handing over some terrorists to the security forces to convince
the public opinion that it is allegedly ready to make peace,

- Making political studies within the People's Democratic Party
(HADEP), which has political connection with the terror organization,
or a similar legal organization, and cooperating with other political
parties,

- Making guiding studies within the municipalities governed by
HADEP to broaden grass roots,

- Having contacts and cooperating with intellectuals from all
circles in Turkey's democratization to ensure the alleged cultural
rights of Kurds being recognized,

- Demanding that the Turkish government should make legal changes
to prove its goodwill through the human rights organizations,

- Bringing up the education in Kurdish language,

- Ensuring the Kurdish identity coming to the fore by focusing on
cultural activities,

- Organizing campaigns in order to ensure the scope of the law of
amnesty being extended,

The terror organization has attempted by its new plan to reach its
final goal that it could not achieve through its armed struggle it has
been carrying out for 16 years, through legalization efforts. To this
end, it has increased its activities it has conducted under the title
of the "Democratic Republic" at home and under "Political Settlement (
Solution ) To The Kurdish Problem" abroad,

In the plan the terror organization developed under the name of
"Peace Project" on March 07, 2000 following the VII. Congress,

- The alleged "Kurdish Problem" and PKK terror are identified with
the Irish, Palestinian, East Timor and Basque problems and it is
requested that the related "Political Solution" initiatives should also
be taken in Turkey and,

- It is put forward that the settlement of the alleged Kurdish
problem in Turkey in accordance with the predictions of head of the
terror organization, Öcalan would also serve the settlement of the
problems in the Middle Eastern countries, and the "Democratic Middle
Eastern Union" to be set up in regional countries would lead to
economic, social and cultural developments,

- Subsequently, in its 2nd "Party Assembly" meeting held in North
Iraq in September 2000, the terror organization decided to be
reorganized to conceal its terrorist identity and began to term its
former structure with innocent titles,

- Assuming that the new strategy of the terror organization could
not be well understood and adopted by its mountain members, the terror
organization held the III. "Party Assembly" meeting between 27 February
and 03 March 2001 and focused on restructuring activities in accordance
with the decisions it took during the said meeting. In addition, the
terror organization, having assessed that the people movement
activities could not achieve the desired level, has intensified its
efforts to ensure its new strategy being accepted by its members and
supporters through a series of meetings.

In this context;

* The "Centralized Propaganda and Media Conference" was held
between 29 May and 07 June 2001 in order for the efforts in the media
field, that the terror organization considers to be insufficient, and
to reach an organized structure,

* The "1st Public Movement Conference" was held between 20 June and
02 July 2001 for the purpose of carrying out the acts and activities
the terror organization has started under the name of alleged 2nd Peace
Efforts, in a more organized manner through its supporters and
sympathizers who are directed by the front organizations,

* The "1st Public Defense Forces (HPG), Conference" was held
between 28 June and 12 July 2001 in order to develop a new structure by
making radical changes in the armed flank of the terror organization
from the armed group order and discipline to war tactics and
techniques,

* The "3rd Free Women Party (PJA) Conference" was held on July
11-22, 2001 to make the women organizations conducting activities in
legal and illegal fields more active and organized,

* The "1st Culture, Art and Folklore Conference" was held on 11-22
July 2001 in order to indoctrinate wider parts of the people with
separatist ideas and,

* The "6th National Conference" was held on August 05-22, 2001
under the leadership of the alleged Supreme Council of the terror
organization in order to coordinate the conferences to be held in line
with the activities the terror organization carries out in various
fields and to direct all organizational efforts towards public
movements,

- The above-mentioned conferences have drawn special attention as
the ones which have been held within the framework of preparations for
the 8th Congress of the terror organization PKK. According to the
decisions taken during the said conferences, various campaigns have
been organized primarily in Europe and subsequently in Turkey for the
purpose of gaining support for the requests of constitutional
recognition of the Kurdish identity and the use of Kurdish language as
the language of education. However, the terror organization has not
been able to reach the desired level of participation by the people.

- On the other hand, the terror organization has focused on
re-establishment of the terrorist groups not directly affected by the
security forces and on their armed training in raid, laying ambush and
sabotage. The disagreements arising within the terror organization,
PKK-KPU conflict and escape of nearly five hundred Syrian terrorists
from the terror organization in particular have been the noticeable
problems that the terror organization has faced within the period under
review.

- In the meantime, the defense that head of the terror organization
has developed for his trial lasting in the European Court of Human
Rights has been printed by the terrorist organization in a two-volume
book under the title of "From the Sumerian Monastic State To The
Democratic Republic", accepted as the second manifesto and begun to be
used as a guide document for all activities carried out by the terror
organization and as a basic document in the ideological training of the
terrorist organization's members and supporters.

- The 8th Congress preparations which have lasted for a long time
in accordance with the outline of the said defense of head of the
terrorist organization was held in the Kandil Mountain region in
Northern Iraq on April 04-10, 2002 with the participation of 285
terrorist's 106 of whom were women and 179 men as well as about 100
audiences,

- In the said congress during which the activities the terror
organization PKK has conducted in the past and report developed
according to the defense of head of the terror organization and
submitted to the congress have also been evaluated, it has been pointed
out that;

* The terror organization PKK has obtained some advantages like
raising of the Kurdish problem in international area as a result of the
armed struggle it has conducted since 1977,

* However, the ideology and modus operandi adopted by the terror
organization at the beginning have failed due to the collapse of the
former Soviet system and the anti-terror environment arising following
the September 11, 2001 terrorist attack on the US and,

* It has been the time that PKK would be replaced by a completely
new formation in order not to be included in the list of terrorist
organizations, and it must undergo restructuring beginning from its
ideology to its lowest-level units, including a change in its
organizational title,

* The "3rd Free Women Party (PJA) Conference" was held on July
11-22, 2001 to make the women organizations conducting activities in
legal and illegal fields more active and organized,

* The "1st Culture, Art and Folklore Conference" was held on 11-22
July 2001 in order to indoctrinate wider parts of the people with
separatist ideas and,

* The terror organization PKK has obtained some advantages like
raising of the Kurdish problem in international area as a result of the
armed struggle it has conducted since 1977,

- During its 8th Congress, the terror organization has stated that
PKK's role has ended under current circumstances and decided that;

* It will not use the title "PKK" in the activities it carries out
in every field from April 04, 2002 when the birthday of head of the
terrorists is,

* It will conduct its activities under the title "Kurdistan's
Freedom and Democracy Congress-KADEK" from now on in accordance with a
new program, statute and organization based on the solution of Kurdish
problem in line with the main points of the defense that head of the
terrorists has submitted to the European Court of Human Rights within
the existing borders in four countries,

* PKK considers KADEK as its sole legal representative and disposes
of its moral and physical acquisitions to KADEK. The terror
organization made a press conference in Belgium/Brussels on April 16,
2000 and publicized its decisions.

- In the meantime, the fact that the inclusion of the PKK in the
list of terrorist organizations developed by the European Union member
nations which was issued on May 4, 2002 has led the members of the
terrorist organizations into great concern regarding the possible
inclusion of KADEK in the list of terrorist organizations. For this
reason, the terror organization has immediately begun to make protests
against such nations as Denmark, Spain, the UK who have had an effect
on the related decision-making,

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 8:55 pm
From: "Dr. bitter anko"

flaviaR@verizon.net のメッセージ:

> On 28-Mar-2006, "Dr. bitter anko" <kaz762@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The racist organization FBI arrested every jap in N. America and sent
> > them to the torturing prisons often called as concentration camps, like
> > the one of Auschwits.
>
> Er, much as I deplore the shameful past of this country, we have
> to be fair and admit that in no way were the Japanese internment
> camps as bad as the Nazi ones.
>
> Susan

Which method do you prefer in case you get executed?

1: put into a gas chamber, die within a few minutes.

2: put into a poor insulated jail in a barrack, suffer with extreme
heat and cold of desert for years and die by the decline of your
strength caused by that.

3: apply for or admit yourself to join the 442 troops, the suicide
attacking troops in the European battle field that no one survived.
then act as a suicide bomber to ruin the Italian troops for the Allies
of your enemy imprisoning your family, your little daugfhter in the
jail in the desert, to save your family suffering in the camps of above
#2.

If I get executed, I'd rather prefer #1.

I don't want to be executed with so much sufferings so long.

I guess many people would choose it as well.

At least for some people, Auschwitz is more humane than those in N.
America, and those in N. America are more cruel and brutal method of
slaughtering humans(in case you treat the japs as humans).

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 9:06 pm
From: C2Darwin@yahoo.com

About Bush's crimes:

"When I saw that the neoconservative response to 9/11 was to turn

a defense against stateless terrorism into military attacks

on sovereign Muslim states, I realized that the Bush administration

was committing a global strategic blunder and a terrible war crime -

with open-ended disastrous consequences for Afghanistan, Iraq, us

and the world."

"With colonial bombing wars launched on poor non-christian and

darker skinned people 8000 miles away from our shores,

two so-called civilized but racist western nations destroyed the hope

for a 21st century of peace. Greed, oil, power, arrogance, ignorance,

as well as hidden racism led 3 white anglo-saxons (an incompetent

scoundrel from Crawford, a chickenhawk gangster politician from

Wyoming and a pious liar from Britain) into committing global

war crimes."

The price will have to be paid.
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About Bush's character:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Dunce
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush
not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a
pathological liar.

- - - - - - - - - - - -
By Mary Jacoby

Sept. 16, 2004 | For 25 years, Yoshi Tsurumi, one of George W.
Bush's professors at Harvard Business School, was content with his
green-card status as a permanent legal resident of the United States.
But Bush's ascension to the presidency in 2001 prompted the Japanese
native to secure his American citizenship. The reason: to be able to
speak out with the full authority of citizenship about why he believes
Bush lacks the character and intellect to lead the world's oldest and
most powerful democracy. ...

"[Bush] showed pathological lying habits and was in denial when
challenged on his prejudices and biases. He would even deny saying
something he just said 30 seconds ago. He was famous for that.
Students jumped on him; I challenged him." When asked to explain a
particular comment, said Tsurumi, Bush would respond, "Oh, I never
said that." A White House spokeswoman did not return a phone call
seeking comment.

In 1973, as the oil and energy crisis raged, Tsurumi led a discussion
on whether government should assist retirees and other people on fixed
incomes with heating costs. Bush, he recalled, "made this ridiculous
statement and when I asked him to explain, he said, 'The government
doesn't have to help poor people -- because they are lazy.' I said,
'Well, could you explain that assumption?' Not only could he not
explain it, he started backtracking on it, saying, 'No, I didn't say
that.'" ...

Bush once sneered at Tsurumi for showing the film "The Grapes of
Wrath," based on John Steinbeck's novel of the Depression. "We were in
a discussion of the New Deal, and he called Franklin Roosevelt's
policies 'socialism.' He denounced labor unions, the Securities and
Exchange Commission, Medicare, Social Security, you name it. He
denounced the civil rights movement as socialism. To him, socialism
and communism were the same thing. And when challenged to explain his
prejudice, he could not defend his argument, either ideologically,
polemically or academically."

Students who challenged and embarrassed Bush in class would then
become the subject of a whispering campaign by him, Tsurumi said. "In
class, he couldn't challenge them. But after class, he sometimes came
up to me in the hallway and started bad-mouthing those students who
had challenged him. He would complain that someone was drinking too
much. It was innuendo and lies. So that's how I knew, behind his smile
and his smirk, that he was a very insecure, cunning and vengeful guy."

Many of Tsurumi's students came from well-connected or wealthy
families, but good manners prevented them from boasting about it, the
professor said. But Bush seemed unabashed about the connections that
had brought him to Harvard. "The other children of the rich and famous
were at least well bred to the point of realizing universal values and
standards of behavior," Tsurumi said. But Bush sometimes came late to
class and often sat in the back row of the theater-like classroom,
wearing a bomber jacket from the Texas Air National Guard and spitting
chewing tobacco into a cup.

"At first, I wondered, 'Who is this George Bush?' It's a very common
name and I didn't know his background. And he was such a bad student
that I asked him once how he got in. He said, 'My dad has good
friends.'" Bush scored in the lowest 10 percent of the class.

The Vietnam War was still roiling campuses and Harvard was no
exception. Bush expressed strong support for the war but admitted to
Tsurumi that he'd gotten a coveted spot in the Texas Air National
Guard through his father's connections.

"I used to chat up a number of students when we were walking back to
class," Tsurumi said. "Here was Bush, wearing a Texas Guard bomber
jacket, and the draft was the No. 1 topic in those days. And I said,
'George, what did you do with the draft?' He said, 'Well, I got into
the Texas Air National Guard.' And I said, 'Lucky you. I understand
there is a long waiting list for it. How'd you get in?' When he told
me, he didn't seem ashamed or embarrassed. He thought he was entitled
to all kinds of privileges and special deals. He was not the only one
trying to twist all their connections to avoid Vietnam. But then, he
was fanatically for the war."

Tsurumi told Bush that someone who avoided a draft while supporting a
war in which others were dying was a hypocrite. "He realized he was
caught, showed his famous smirk and huffed off."

Tsurumi's conclusion: Bush is not as dumb as his detractors allege.
"He was just badly brought up, with no discipline, and no compassion,"
he said.

In recent days, Tsurumi has told his story to various print and
television outlets and appears in Kitty Kelley's exposé "The Family:
The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty." He said other professors and
students at the business school from that time share his recollections
but are afraid to come forward, fearing ostracism or retribution. And
why is Tsurumi speaking up now? Because with the ongoing bloodshed in
Iraq and Osama bin Laden still on the loose -- not to mention a
federal deficit ballooning out of control -- the stakes are too high
to remain silent. "Obviously, I don't think he is the best person" to
be running the country, he said. "I wanted to explain why."

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 9:07 pm
From: "Richard"

Would you ever hear a straight man ever say something like this? You
know the answer.

*
Get away from my arse bwoy, I'M STRAIGHT AS A ROMAN ROAD YOU QUEER GRIK
SHIRTLIFTER !!!
*

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 9:17 pm
From: "rich murphy"

"Agamemnon" <agamem...@hello.to.NO_SPAM>, one of the many brain-washed,
lifeless, professional Turk-haters and thugs of Greek/Armenian/PKK
Anti-Turkish Hatred Inc., can only hate and kill Turks unconditionally
and turn around bitch about the Turks they raped, tortured and
masscred, and brag about how superior their uncivilization is.

Agamemnon wrote:
> Turkish warplanes violate Greek national air space
>
> ATHENS, 28/3/2006 (ANA/MPA)
>
> Two formations of Turkish warplanes made 34 violations of national air
> space in the region of the southeastern Aegean on Monday. A total of 26
> Turkish aircraft (nine formations) entered the Aegean without submitting
> flight plans, while 10 infringements of air traffic regulations in the
> Athens Flight Information Region (FIR) were recorded which developed into
> 39 violations of national air space in the northern, central and southern
> Aegean.
>
> In all cases the Turkish aircraft were recognized and intercepted by Greek
> air force jets, while in two cases the interception process developed into
> mock dogfights.
>
> Five Turkish formations were armed.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 9:21 pm
From: "Anonymous Infidel - The Muslim crusher"

Laughable.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 9:29 pm
From: saint bubba

On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:43:04 -0600, "generic" <generic@brandnew.bag>
wrote:

>
>> > Pentagon 'hedge' strategy targets China
>> > By Bill Gertz
>> >
>> > THE WASHINGTON TIMES
>> > March 17, 2006
>> >
>> >
>> > The Pentagon is moving strategic bombers to Guam and aircraft carriers
>> > and submarines to the Pacific as part of a new "hedge" strategy aimed
>> > at preparing for conflict with China, Pentagon officials said
>> > yesterday.
>
> Why would the U.S. want to defend Taiwan? From what I've read, a lot
>of U.S. industries are single-sourced to Taiwan; that means that factories
>in Taiwan provide critical electronic components, at low cost, for many
>foreign customers. On the other hand, if China took over Taiwan, wouldn't
>that relationship just continue? Or would a Chinese takeover of Taiwan give
>China a 'strategic' hold on the U.S. economy? But if the U.S. intervened
>militarily on behalf of Taiwan, couldn't China just shut down Walmart? Or
>would that hurt the Chinese economy?
> Gee, it seems complicated.
>
because son, its always better to have more governments in a
geo-political area that OWE you compared to those governments in open
competition with you. plus, keeping taiwan armed to the teeth gives
the chinese a focus, keeps their short range goals on taiwan or the
natural resources north of them in siberia and it keeps their actions
focused OVER THERE and not, conversely, OVER HERE.

st bubba

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