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Tuesday, March 21, 2006

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Today's topics:

* Pakistan: Terror Workshop of the World - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/91c948fc45a53c60
* Afghan Man Sentenced to Death for Converting - 4 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/bd295e44b8e99935
* World War III News, Wednesday, March 22nd, 2006 AD...... - 2 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/58d63f88f0c798f
* N.Korea: Pre-emptive Attacks Can Go Both Ways - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/51baedf3751506b1
* One Turkey, One Official Language! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b93945926dec5636
* MUKA, MUKA! - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6299ab7b8fa632b8
* TALIBAN IS STRONGER THAN EVER! - 5 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/cf1453b7fd780d93
* Jai Maharaj Has Disappeared! But Where? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e7b566871409f1d3
* US Iranian nuke policy - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a9e565fd934396ad
* YOU CALL THIS "RAPE"????? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/8256272973888002
* P X E W D - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c415f0fbed9da85f
* Black Men, Soul Brothers - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2653021aec1ab69b
* Catholic Monk Who Advised Terri Schiavo Family Says Human Life at Risk - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/db6227f51ee54607
* An American reaction to Islam - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/cad8f898e8679854
* International Stuff - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/095f40fc54bbdf6d

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TOPIC: Pakistan: Terror Workshop of the World
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/91c948fc45a53c60
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 10:12 pm
From: "naureen101@aol.com"

N A H wrote:
> On 21 Mar 2006 16:26:32 -0800, "naureen101@aol.com" <naureen101@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >Pakistan is the most progressive muslim country.
>
> ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

a strong pain killer is good to stop rolling on the floor. Take the
pain killer with hot milk.

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TOPIC: Afghan Man Sentenced to Death for Converting
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/bd295e44b8e99935
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 10:15 pm
From: "Romanise"

> "Romanise" <joshidm@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > Accepting being weasel and worse does not bother you but to face the
> > fact that hindu and that too a highly educated medical doctor left you
> > for a gigolo reducing you to get your kicks from internet pornography
> > is proving too tough.

>Seeker wrote:
> Translate this into English. Your sanskrit Sruthis doesn't make any sense to
> me.

Yes the word gigolo does hit your brain hard.

> > Roaches shun not only daylight they shun even electric light and
>
> Yes, your self praise is noteworthy.
>
> > everyone on usenet know who fears most to come out. Even n-hunzai from
> > Islamabad had no fear to write to RK showing that n stands for Nazir.
> >
> > You asked me to post my picture. Now anyone anywhere in the world with
> > good internet connection can view me speaking with him/her even if they
> > do not want or have no facility to show their face to me.
> >
> > You know what I am saying.
>
> As usual I am clueless as to what you are saying. Taking geritol still?

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 10:33 pm
From: "Mohd Kaffir"

Top posting is the only way to talk to here,
The conversation below shows you don't know what you are talking about.
You are here only to change the subject.

Criticize the stupid law of _death_sentence_ for conversion in
Afghanistan.

Seeker wrote:
> "Mohd Kaffir" <fragrance28_693@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1142839446.968150.203240@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Seeker wrote:
> >> <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1142827387.493171.274500@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> >> >
> >> > Seeker wrote:
> >> >> "Mohd Kaffir" <fragrance28_693@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1142816666.653454.229280@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Seeker wrote:
> >> >> >> <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:1142810312.667284.210060@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> >> > Seeker wrote:
> >> >> >> >> <visualseeplus@yahoo.com> wrote ...
> >> >> >> >> > Religion of Peace folks.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > KABUL, Afghanistan - An Afghan man who allegedly converted
> >> >> >> >> > from
> >> >> >> >> > Islam
> >> >> >> >> > to Christianity is being prosecuted in a Kabul court and could
> >> >> >> >> > be
> >> >> >> >> > sentenced to death, a judge said Sunday.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Harami Hindu, you have such laws in India too where pain of
> >> >> >> >> death
> >> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> >> imposed
> >> >> >> >> on anyone converting out of Hinduism.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > There is no such law.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I distinctly remembering reading about such a law in Tamil Nadu.
> >> >> >> Has
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> law been repealed?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Really? Are you which universe you are talking about?
> >> >>
> >> >> On 5 October 2002, the state government of Tamil Nadu, India, issued
> >> >> an
> >> >> ordinance that effectively (when interpreted according to Hindutva
> >> >> ideology)
> >> >> outlawed religious conversion.
> >> >> http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/10497.htm
> >> >
> >> > In the Tamilnadu law (repealed in 2004), a proselytizer was required to
> >> > inform officials of the local district about the conversion; he did not
> >> > require any permission to perform conversion ceremonies. It was up to
> >> > officials to take him to court with a charge of converting by force*,
> >> > allurement* or fraud* and it was upto a judge (not Hindutva
> >> > ideologists) to determine whether the charge had merit.
> >>
> >> The judges are Hindutaa ideologues. The political climate in Tamil Nadu
> >> is
> >> Hidutva.
> >
> >
> > You are a shameless liar.
> > Prove that the political climate in Tamil Nadu is "hundutaa".
>
> It is. Your beloved Tamil Nadu is right behind Gujarat in terms of espousing
> the hatred philosophy of Hindutva
>
> >
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Now, why did you claim that it provided for a death penalty for
> >> > apostates? It provided for no penalty for a person who converted
> >>
> >> Because that's what I remembered it did. So pain of death for a convert
> >> is a
> >> defact law in Tamil Nadu.
> >>
> >
> > Again, prove it.
>
> That should have read "defacto law."
>
> > Stop making stupid claims you are sufferring from amnesia.
>
> What do I have to gain from suffering from amnesia? You, OTOH, are known to
> deny that there is anything wrong with India. You are not a trusted party in
> this argument.
>
> >
> >
> >
> >> > himself, there was a penalty only for converting other people (and only
> >> > if converted by force, allurement or fraud), and the penalty was
> >> > certainly not death; it was (a maximum of) a fine and imprisonment.
> >>
> >> Why is this even needed. If someone converts a Hindu by fraud, you can
> >> convert that person back to Hinduism by fraud.
>
> You still haven't answered why the dalits need to be protected from their
> own "stupidity." After raping them for over 5000 years, do you still think
> they are inferior to you?
>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > * Definitions: (a) "allurement" means offer of any temptation in the
> >> > form of - (i) - any gift or gratification, either in cash or kind; (ii)
> >> > - grant of any material benefit, either monetary or otherwise. (b)
> >> > "convert" means to make one person to renounce one religion and adopt
> >> > another religion; (c) "force" includes a show of force or threat of
> >> > injury of any kind including threat of divine displeasure or social
> >> > ex-communication; (d) "fraudulent means" includes misrepresentation or
> >> > any other fraudulent contrivance.
> >> >
> >

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 10:37 pm
From: "Mohd Kaffir"

Ranjit seems to have taken care of you already.

Seeker wrote:
> "Mohd Kaffir" <fragrance28_693@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1142839277.186250.188050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Seeker wrote:
> >> "Mohd Kaffir" <fragrance28_693@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1142822076.783503.257410@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> >> >
> >> > Seeker wrote:
> >> >> "Mohd Kaffir" <fragrance28_693@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1142816666.653454.229280@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Seeker wrote:
> >> >> >> <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:1142810312.667284.210060@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> >> > Seeker wrote:
> >> >> >> >> <visualseeplus@yahoo.com> wrote ...
> >> >> >> >> > Religion of Peace folks.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > KABUL, Afghanistan - An Afghan man who allegedly converted
> >> >> >> >> > from
> >> >> >> >> > Islam
> >> >> >> >> > to Christianity is being prosecuted in a Kabul court and could
> >> >> >> >> > be
> >> >> >> >> > sentenced to death, a judge said Sunday.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Harami Hindu, you have such laws in India too where pain of
> >> >> >> >> death
> >> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> >> imposed
> >> >> >> >> on anyone converting out of Hinduism.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > There is no such law.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I distinctly remembering reading about such a law in Tamil Nadu.
> >> >> >> Has
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> law been repealed?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Really? Are you which universe you are talking about?
> >> >>
> >> >> On 5 October 2002, the state government of Tamil Nadu, India, issued
> >> >> an
> >> >> ordinance that effectively (when interpreted according to Hindutva
> >> >> ideology)
> >> >> outlawed religious conversion.
> >> >>
> >> >> http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/10497.htm
> >> >
> >> > Where did it mention "death penalty"??
> >>
> >> I don't know. I haven't read the whole thing.
> >
> > You know, apologizing for writing lies make you earn respect.
>
> Apologize for what? Besides what would I gain from earning your respect. I
> already know that you Hinduvadis can't see beyond a person's religion.
>
> >
> >
> > Besides it is common knowledge
> >> how people are murdered in Indai for conversion.
> >>
> >
> > There is no "common knowledge". You said the following:
>
> The people at risk of conversion are the lower castes dalits etc. They are
> routinely killed in India for converting to Christianity or Islam. Now,
> India is passing laws making it illegal for them to convert. You introduce
> the concept of fraud. Are the dalits not smart enough to the world's largest
> democracy?
>
> > "
> > Harami Hindu, you have such laws in India too where pain of death is
> >>> imposed
> >>> on anyone converting out of Hinduism.
> > "
> >
> >
> >
> >> >
> >> > Also, you quoted an evangelical site, instead of a real news site.
> >> > The law was about banning conversion by coercian and bribery.
> >>
> >> And that site had a link to the indian site. It doesn't matter what,
> >
> > but in
> >> India people don't have religious freedom to convert.
> >
> > Again, prove or accept insults.
>
> You have been insulting me for years now. Do you really think you can
> accomplish anything by keeping on insulting me?

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 22 2006 12:22 am
From: "Seeker" <4not_listed_due_to_spam_bots_121101@dont.reply>

Typical statement of a loser.

"Mohd Kaffir" <fragrance28_693@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143009423.453240.194310@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> Ranjit seems to have taken care of you already.
>
> Seeker wrote:
>> "Mohd Kaffir" <fragrance28_693@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1142839277.186250.188050@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Seeker wrote:
>> >> "Mohd Kaffir" <fragrance28_693@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1142822076.783503.257410@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > Seeker wrote:
>> >> >> "Mohd Kaffir" <fragrance28_693@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:1142816666.653454.229280@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Seeker wrote:
>> >> >> >> <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> news:1142810312.667284.210060@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >> >> > Seeker wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> <visualseeplus@yahoo.com> wrote ...
>> >> >> >> >> > Religion of Peace folks.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > KABUL, Afghanistan - An Afghan man who allegedly converted
>> >> >> >> >> > from
>> >> >> >> >> > Islam
>> >> >> >> >> > to Christianity is being prosecuted in a Kabul court and
>> >> >> >> >> > could
>> >> >> >> >> > be
>> >> >> >> >> > sentenced to death, a judge said Sunday.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Harami Hindu, you have such laws in India too where pain of
>> >> >> >> >> death
>> >> >> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> >> imposed
>> >> >> >> >> on anyone converting out of Hinduism.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > There is no such law.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I distinctly remembering reading about such a law in Tamil Nadu.
>> >> >> >> Has
>> >> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> law been repealed?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Really? Are you which universe you are talking about?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 5 October 2002, the state government of Tamil Nadu, India,
>> >> >> issued
>> >> >> an
>> >> >> ordinance that effectively (when interpreted according to Hindutva
>> >> >> ideology)
>> >> >> outlawed religious conversion.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/10497.htm
>> >> >
>> >> > Where did it mention "death penalty"??
>> >>
>> >> I don't know. I haven't read the whole thing.
>> >
>> > You know, apologizing for writing lies make you earn respect.
>>
>> Apologize for what? Besides what would I gain from earning your respect.
>> I
>> already know that you Hinduvadis can't see beyond a person's religion.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Besides it is common knowledge
>> >> how people are murdered in Indai for conversion.
>> >>
>> >
>> > There is no "common knowledge". You said the following:
>>
>> The people at risk of conversion are the lower castes dalits etc. They
>> are
>> routinely killed in India for converting to Christianity or Islam. Now,
>> India is passing laws making it illegal for them to convert. You
>> introduce
>> the concept of fraud. Are the dalits not smart enough to the world's
>> largest
>> democracy?
>>
>> > "
>> > Harami Hindu, you have such laws in India too where pain of death is
>> >>> imposed
>> >>> on anyone converting out of Hinduism.
>> > "
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Also, you quoted an evangelical site, instead of a real news site.
>> >> > The law was about banning conversion by coercian and bribery.
>> >>
>> >> And that site had a link to the indian site. It doesn't matter what,
>> >
>> > but in
>> >> India people don't have religious freedom to convert.
>> >
>> > Again, prove or accept insults.
>>
>> You have been insulting me for years now. Do you really think you can
>> accomplish anything by keeping on insulting me?
>

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TOPIC: World War III News, Wednesday, March 22nd, 2006 AD......
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/58d63f88f0c798f
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 10:16 pm
From: "The Last 2464 days™ ♥"

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/696486.html

Last update - 08:19 21/03/2006

Bush says U.S. military will defend Israel from Iran

By DPA and Shmuel Rosner, Haaretz Correspondent

U.S. President George W. Bush said Monday he would use military force
to protect Israel from Iranian threats, but also restated his desire to
resolve the dispute over Iran's nuclear program diplomatically.

Bush, in a speech in Cleveland, Ohio, cited comments by Iranian
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad last year calling for Israel to be wiped
off the map.

Iran's "stated objective" to destroy Israel is a "serious threat," Bush
said as he marked three years since the start of the war in Iraq.

"But now that I'm on Iran, the threat to Iran, of course - the threat
from Iran is, of course, their stated objective to destroy our strong
ally Israel. That's a threat, a serious threat. It's a threat to world
peace; it's a threat, in essence, to a strong alliance. I made it
clear, I'll make it clear again, that we will use military might to
protect our ally, Israel," Bush said.

Bush's comments come as the UN Security Council contemplates steps to
address Iran's nuclear activities and after Iran accepted a months-old
U.S. proposal for direct talks on Iraq.

The United States is concerned that the Iranians have allowed weapons
into Iraq that have supported anti-U.S. insurgents and contributed to
instability in the country. Iran is also believed to exercise influence
on Iraq's majority Shiite population.

Bush said the purpose of any talks with Iran would be to raise U.S.
concerns about developments in Iraq. His administration has ruled out
negotiations over the nuclear dispute.

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 10:33 pm
From: "The Last 2464 days™ ♥"

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6297

.S. threatens to bomb Iran sites “after a month” – report
Thu. 16 Mar 2006
Iran Focus

London, Mar. 16 – The United States warned Iran through a secret
channel that it would launch military attacks on a number of nuclear
sites in Iran if there was no diplomatic progress a month after the
Islamic Republic’s referral to the United Nations Security Council,
according to a Persian-language website run by associates of the former
Iranian president, Mohammad Khatami.

Khatami was quoted by the website Rooz Online as telling allies that he
had received a message through a third party from a senior United
States official during a visit to Germany last autumn. The U.S.
official had warned Iran that the U.S. would bomb the country’s
nuclear sites “if there is no breakthrough in resolving Iran’s
nuclear dossier a month after the case is referred to the Security
Council”.

Khatami said that he conveyed the message to the country’s senior
officials and the Supreme National Security Council, but “not much
attention has been paid to it”, Rooz reported.

The International Atomic Energy Agency referred Iran to the Security
Council at the end of the last meeting of its Board of Governors on
March 8. The council can impose sanctions on Iran for violating its
international obligations and concealing critical parts of its
extensive nuclear program.

Iran’s top negotiator, Ali Larijani, reiterated on Thursday the
theocratic regime’s rejection of Western demands that Tehran stop
trying to produce fuel that can be used in nuclear power stations or,
if highly enriched, in bombs. The United States said diplomacy must
succeed to avert a confrontation with the Islamic Republic.

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TOPIC: N.Korea: Pre-emptive Attacks Can Go Both Ways
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/51baedf3751506b1
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 10:17 pm
From: Peter Franks

Morton Davis wrote:
> "Peter Franks" <none@none.com> wrote in message
> news:X94Uf.18$Fl.5@fed1read09...
>
>>Nick James wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:48:28 -0800, Peter Franks <none@none.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Do you know what the optimal elevation for the detonation of a nuclear
>>>>device is?
>>>
>>>
>>>Optimal???
>>>LOL!
>>>Who cares.
>>>I'm still going to enjoy watching it in High Def.
>>
>>That is the difference between you and me -- I don't desire harm and
>>destruction for my fellow man, and would definitely NEVER enjoy it.
>>
>>
>
> The big difference is that you are sane and he is not. From what little I
> understand about explosives, a ground blast would result in a significant
> amout of the energy being absorbed by the ground which would minimize the
> effect laterally. We have exploded enough nuclear devices underground and
> above ground in the Soutwest to have a good handle on how to do it right.

Yes, that is what I was trying to get the respondent to realize (on his
own, but in hindsight, probably asking too much...) -- any ground-based
nuke will be destructive, but not devastating enough to cause the
collapse of a nation.

Oh well, I think that the first sentence in your response pretty much
covers it...

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TOPIC: One Turkey, One Official Language!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b93945926dec5636
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 10:17 pm
From: "umu"

Ali Asker wrote:
> Yes, of course I forgot it was signed by the people of Turkey three
> times under the military regime (1961, 1970, 1982). When you went to
> the ballet boxes there were 100 police, ex number of secret services
> and trukish gandarmeria watching only one person who was voting his
> will.
>
> Some democracy, isn't it! ;) Turkish way!

You are talking bullshit. The elections are observed by many
organizations from all around the world. If you feel any discrepancy
then you can call the court.

Here, learn something about Turkey before talking more BS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey
http://www.state.gov/p/eur/ci/tu/

The Constitution of Turkey:
http://www.anayasa.gov.tr/engconst/const.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Turkey

Politics of Turkey:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Turkey

The Legal System of Turkey:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_System_in_Republic_of_Turkey

The Constitutional Court of Turkey:
http://www.anayasa.gov.tr/a2.htm

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TOPIC: MUKA, MUKA!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6299ab7b8fa632b8
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 10:21 pm
From: "Al Nakba"

Drown in your own vomit then. Allahu fubar!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 22 2006 1:27 am
From: "serwad"

Pakistani Taliban take control of unruly tribal belt

· Militia inflicts major blow on 'war on terror'
· Music and films banned as Islamic court takes over

Declan Walsh in Peshawar
Tuesday March 21, 2006
The Guardian

A powerful new militia dubbed "the Pakistani Taliban" has effectively seized
control of swaths of the country's northern tribal areas in recent months,
triggering alarm in Islamabad and marking a big setback in America's "war on
terror".
The militants are strongest in North and South Waziristan, two of seven
tribal agencies on the border with Afghanistan. Strict social edicts have
been handed down: shopkeepers may not sell music or films; barbers are
instructed not to shave beards. Yesterday a bomb blew up a radio transmitter
in Wana, taking the state radio off the air.

Article continues

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Militants collect taxes from passing vehicles at new checkpoints, and last
week an Islamic court was established in Wana to replace the traditional
jirga, or council of elders. Rough justice has already been dispensed
elsewhere. A gang of seven alleged bandits were executed in Miran Shah in
December and their bodies were hung from a post in the town centre.
The violent puritanism is spreading. On Sunday a remote-controlled bomb
ripped through a police vehicle in Dera Ismail Khan, near South Waziristan,
killing seven people. More than 100 pro-government elders and politicians
have been killed in the past nine months, said a diplomat.

The Pakistani military deployed 70,000 troops to Waziristan two years ago to
rein in the militants. But the campaign is faltering. An army assault
against an alleged al-Qaida training camp outside Miran Shah on March 1 left
more than 100 dead.

Fareed Ullah Khan, a resident, said he cowered inside his home for three
days as shells whistled overhead and the air rattled with gunfire. As the
fighting intensified, his family scurried from room to room in search of
safety.

"We were afraid the bullets might land where we were hiding," said Mr Khan,
who has since fled to Peshawar, the capital of North-West Frontier province.
President Pervez Musharraf has vowed to quell the revolt. Since declaring a
curfew in Miran Shah, government troops have regained control. But some
people are worried. "The so-called war on terror is going badly," said one
diplomat.

Comparisons to the emergence of the Afghan Taliban in the early 1990s are
increasing. Although they have distinct identities, the groups are strongly
linked - both are ethnic Pashtun - and Afghans use Waziristan as a rear
base.

Analysts say the Pakistani Taliban is a loose alliance of tribal militia
operating under radical clerics such as Sadiq Noor and Abdul Khaliq. Many
are angered by heavy-handed Pakistani military attacks against suspected
al-Qaida hideouts, which are thought to have killed hundreds of civilians
over the last two years.

The tribesmen are allied with al-Qaida fugitives, mostly from Uzbekistan and
Chechnya. The foreigners have blended into the tribal structures, buying
loyalties and marrying local women.

Foreign reporters are banned from the area and most local journalists have
fled. One, Hayatullah Khan, 32, was abducted in December and is still
missing.

The US is impatient to catch more senior al-Qaida figures. Unmanned Predator
drones, now armed with Hellfire missiles, sweep over the tribal areas on
surveillance missions so often that villagers now recognise their engine
noise.

In January American forces destroyed a house in Bajaur tribal agency where
it thought al-Qaida's second in command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, was hiding.
Thirteen villagers were killed. The US has carried out several strikes, said
a well-placed diplomat, but it has let Pakistan claim responsibility.

Such attacks have won the militants much support. "These are not the proper
Taliban," said the refugee Mr Khan. "They are the common people who have
revolted against the [Pakistani] government and targeted killings by
Americans."

The Taliban presence in northern Pakistan also concerns Britain, which is
deploying more than 3,300 troops in the southern Afghan provinces of Helmand
and Kandahar.

British intelligence contributed "heavily" to a list of about some 150
Pakistan-based Taliban suspects that the Afghan president, Hamid Karzai,
brought to Islamabad last month, the diplomat said.

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 22 2006 1:26 am
From: "serwad"

Pakistani Taliban take control of unruly tribal belt

· Militia inflicts major blow on 'war on terror'
· Music and films banned as Islamic court takes over

Declan Walsh in Peshawar
Tuesday March 21, 2006
The Guardian

Article continues

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The tribesmen are allied with al-Qaida fugitives, mostly from Uzbekistan and
Chechnya. The foreigners have blended into the tribal structures, buying
loyalties and marrying local women.

Foreign reporters are banned from the area and most local journalists have
fled. One, Hayatullah Khan, 32, was abducted in December and is still
missing.

The Taliban presence in northern Pakistan also concerns Britain, which is
deploying more than 3,300 troops in the southern Afghan provinces of Helmand
and Kandahar.

British intelligence contributed "heavily" to a list of about some 150
Pakistan-based Taliban suspects that the Afghan president, Hamid Karzai,
brought to Islamabad last month, the diplomat said.

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== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 22 2006 6:31 am
From: "DoD"

"serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Pakistani Taliban take control of unruly tribal belt
>
> · Militia inflicts major blow on 'war on terror'
> · Music and films banned as Islamic court takes

Hopefully the next stop is Israel. they need to get a dose of Islam..... and
America should keep our nose out of it... Most Jews living in that land will
welcome it....

>
> Declan Walsh in Peshawar
> Tuesday March 21, 2006
> The Guardian
>
>
> A powerful new militia dubbed "the Pakistani Taliban" has effectively
> seized control of swaths of the country's northern tribal areas in recent
> months, triggering alarm in Islamabad and marking a big setback in
> America's "war on terror".
> The militants are strongest in North and South Waziristan, two of seven
> tribal agencies on the border with Afghanistan. Strict social edicts have
> been handed down: shopkeepers may not sell music or films; barbers are
> instructed not to shave beards. Yesterday a bomb blew up a radio
> transmitter in Wana, taking the state radio off the air.
>
>
> Article continues
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Militants collect taxes from passing vehicles at new checkpoints, and last
> week an Islamic court was established in Wana to replace the traditional
> jirga, or council of elders. Rough justice has already been dispensed
> elsewhere. A gang of seven alleged bandits were executed in Miran Shah in
> December and their bodies were hung from a post in the town centre.
> The violent puritanism is spreading. On Sunday a remote-controlled bomb
> ripped through a police vehicle in Dera Ismail Khan, near South
> Waziristan, killing seven people. More than 100 pro-government elders and
> politicians have been killed in the past nine months, said a diplomat.
>
> The Pakistani military deployed 70,000 troops to Waziristan two years ago
> to rein in the militants. But the campaign is faltering. An army assault
> against an alleged al-Qaida training camp outside Miran Shah on March 1
> left more than 100 dead.
>
> Fareed Ullah Khan, a resident, said he cowered inside his home for three
> days as shells whistled overhead and the air rattled with gunfire. As the
> fighting intensified, his family scurried from room to room in search of
> safety.
>
> "We were afraid the bullets might land where we were hiding," said Mr
> Khan, who has since fled to Peshawar, the capital of North-West Frontier
> province. President Pervez Musharraf has vowed to quell the revolt. Since
> declaring a curfew in Miran Shah, government troops have regained control.
> But some people are worried. "The so-called war on terror is going badly,"
> said one diplomat.
>
> Comparisons to the emergence of the Afghan Taliban in the early 1990s are
> increasing. Although they have distinct identities, the groups are
> strongly linked - both are ethnic Pashtun - and Afghans use Waziristan as
> a rear base.
>
> Analysts say the Pakistani Taliban is a loose alliance of tribal militia
> operating under radical clerics such as Sadiq Noor and Abdul Khaliq. Many
> are angered by heavy-handed Pakistani military attacks against suspected
> al-Qaida hideouts, which are thought to have killed hundreds of civilians
> over the last two years.
>
> The tribesmen are allied with al-Qaida fugitives, mostly from Uzbekistan
> and Chechnya. The foreigners have blended into the tribal structures,
> buying loyalties and marrying local women.
>
> Foreign reporters are banned from the area and most local journalists have
> fled. One, Hayatullah Khan, 32, was abducted in December and is still
> missing.
>
> The US is impatient to catch more senior al-Qaida figures. Unmanned
> Predator drones, now armed with Hellfire missiles, sweep over the tribal
> areas on surveillance missions so often that villagers now recognise their
> engine noise.
>
> In January American forces destroyed a house in Bajaur tribal agency where
> it thought al-Qaida's second in command, Ayman al-Zawahiri, was hiding.
> Thirteen villagers were killed. The US has carried out several strikes,
> said a well-placed diplomat, but it has let Pakistan claim responsibility.
>
> Such attacks have won the militants much support. "These are not the
> proper Taliban," said the refugee Mr Khan. "They are the common people who
> have revolted against the [Pakistani] government and targeted killings by
> Americans."
>
> The Taliban presence in northern Pakistan also concerns Britain, which is
> deploying more than 3,300 troops in the southern Afghan provinces of
> Helmand and Kandahar.
>
> British intelligence contributed "heavily" to a list of about some 150
> Pakistan-based Taliban suspects that the Afghan president, Hamid Karzai,
> brought to Islamabad last month, the diplomat said.
>
>
>

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 22 2006 1:35 am
From: "serwad"

"DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
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>
> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:636Uf.821$qe.736@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>> Pakistani Taliban take control of unruly tribal belt
>>
>> · Militia inflicts major blow on 'war on terror'
>> · Music and films banned as Islamic court takes
>
> Hopefully the next stop is Israel. they need to get a dose of Islam.....
> and America should keep our nose out of it... Most Jews living in that
> land will welcome it....

Extremism of all faiths is crap! The only way to fight extremism is by
tolerance, and that is what we have failed to master!

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 22 2006 6:37 am
From: "DoD"

"serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:0b6Uf.824$qe.320@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>
> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
> news:Ja6Uf.13975$Eg2.9908@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>
>> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:636Uf.821$qe.736@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>>> Pakistani Taliban take control of unruly tribal belt
>>>
>>> · Militia inflicts major blow on 'war on terror'
>>> · Music and films banned as Islamic court takes
>>
>> Hopefully the next stop is Israel. they need to get a dose of Islam.....
>> and America should keep our nose out of it... Most Jews living in that
>> land will welcome it....
>
> Extremism of all faiths is crap! The only way to fight extremism is by
> tolerance, and that is what we have failed to master!

You bet.!!!

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 22 2006 5:23 pm
From: "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com>

"DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
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>
> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:0b6Uf.824$qe.320@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
>> news:Ja6Uf.13975$Eg2.9908@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>
>>> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>> news:636Uf.821$qe.736@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>>>> Pakistani Taliban take control of unruly tribal belt
>>>>
>>>> · Militia inflicts major blow on 'war on terror'
>>>> · Music and films banned as Islamic court takes
>>>
>>> Hopefully the next stop is Israel. they need to get a dose of Islam.....
>>> and America should keep our nose out of it... Most Jews living in that
>>> land will welcome it....
>>
>> Extremism of all faiths is crap! The only way to fight extremism is by
>> tolerance, and that is what we have failed to master!
>
> You bet.!!!

Fuck me dead! Doodoo's seen the light.

Praise be to Allah.

>
>

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TOPIC: Jai Maharaj Has Disappeared! But Where?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e7b566871409f1d3
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 22 2006 5:41 pm
From: "Neil Boss"

He is know as ... Good he is still around.

usenet@mantra.com8c and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)
<usenet@mantra.com8c and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)>

Bholu <bholu@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1142638372.068060.195950@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> Finally Jai has decided to finish his PhD and gone back to school. His
> efforts to complete his dissertation have robbed him of any energy to
> post on the net. Hope his advisors keep him busy.
>
> Thanks bud.
>

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TOPIC: US Iranian nuke policy
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a9e565fd934396ad
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 22 2006 6:39 am
From: Chief

"Lazarus Cain" <rspeaking@aol.com> wrote in news:1142994304.098772.201940
@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com:

> "Wrong clam breath. The reason for 9/11 was the US presence in Saudi
> Arabia after Desert Storm". ....yes, that was certainly quite a
> scholarly comeback..My ollege english teacher never approved of me
> using insults and profanity to prove a point. It would depreciate the
> value of my grade
>
>
> Yeah right..The opinion of a rhode's scholar I see. I can tell by your
> elopquent way of counterpointing an argument with irrefutable logic.
>
> Your ignorance is appalling. crusader!
> Everyone is quite aware of the dispute over control over Jerusalem and
> how it has caused conflict for centuries.
> To pretend Jerusalem is not the issue only prolongs the conflict.
>
> Do you want to end your fucking war on terror?
>
> Solve the Jerusalem pronlem and it will be over.
>
> Sounds simple doesn;t it?
> But that is all that needs to be done.
>
> So next time.leave your name calling at home and address the real
> problem.
>
> And never think that silencing my voice makes the problem go away. The
> problem exists quite independently of my noise.
>
> Yet, your ignorance amuses me. lol...lol...
>
>

What a laugh. Sorry Charlie but college doesn't resemble life.

The reason for 9/11 was the US presence in Saudi Arabia after Desert
Storm. Sorry if you don't like it. But facts are funny things they really
don't care if you like them.

The Palistinians have been trying to hijack 9/11 since 9/11 but there is
no connection. They didn't participate, those that did didn't bother
adressing the Palistinian problem. Nope, there is no connection between
the Palistinians and 9/11.

Osama doesn't give a damn about the Palistinians - neither do most of the
Mid Eastern countries who haven't offered to help them with employment,
land or funds.

There is no war on terror anymore than there was a war on drugs or a war
on AIDS or a war on war.

Terror exists today existed yesterday and will exist tomorrow as long as
there two sides to an issue. Tim McVey, the Unibomber, the idiots that
drag folks they don't like behind their pickup trucks are all terrorists.
We have our own brand of terrorism in America.

The reason for 9/11 was the US presence in Saudi Arabia after Desert
Storm.

Not the idiots in Palistine who are doing more harm to their own cause
and their own people daily. Now that's always worth a laugh when the
Palistinian leader tries to explain away why women and children were
killed in a cafe or market.

Yep, someone takes my land and I'm going to kill a bunch of women and
children who have nothing to do with my loss.

What a laugh.

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TOPIC: YOU CALL THIS "RAPE"?????
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/8256272973888002
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 10:46 pm
From: "The Watch Dog"

al2048@aol.com wrote:
> Shmaryahu b. Chanoch wrote:
> >
> > They used to be. Until very recently in history, the average age of marriage
> > was between 14 and 16. What we now have is a society that babies its young men
> > and women, keeping them in an extended children until the age of 30....
> >
> >
>
> I was just watching my tape of a History Channel documentary on the
> French Revolution. When King Louis XVI married Marie Antoinette, Louis
> was 15 and Marie was 14.

And look how they ended up!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 22 2006 7:18 am
From: "Bo Raxo"

"Shmaryahu b. Chanoch" <omega.d21@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:jtl1229ckrd4pdpjl6b9on263vs1hiul1l@4ax.com...
> On 21 Mar 2006 20:33:07 -0800, "Messalina" <messalinana@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> |
> |NYC XYZ wrote:
> |> You're fourteen, and a young and sexy blue-eyed blonde teacher gives
> |> you sex...and this is rape????
> |>
> |> What a fucked-up society we live in!
> |>
> |> How the hell can a pretty young woman rape a teenage guy????
> |>
> |>
> |> http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/03/21/charges.dropped/index.html
> |who
> |Because, you fucking fool, she could be one of those Latoureau psychos
> |wants to keep having babies and stick him with responsibilities he is
> |not ready for and doesn't even understand.
> |
> |Thats just the tip of the iceberg. Sex has a lot of implications that
> |a 14 year-old is just not equipped to deal with.
> |
> |Mez
>
> They used to be. Until very recently in history, the average age of
marriage
> was between 14 and 16. What we now have is a society that babies its
young men
> and women, keeping them in an extended children until the age of 30....
>
>

Until very recently we owned people as property (it was called slavery), we
put people on trial for being witches, and we would hang people for stealing
a horse.

Apparently you think those were the good old days.

I guess it pains you that you can't con some 14 year old in to sleeping with
you, and are forced to deal with trying to get by adult women. Too tough
for you?

Bo Raxo

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TOPIC: P X E W D
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c415f0fbed9da85f
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 10:48 pm
From: wkyum.kelvin@gmail.com

PiXel of Eternal WisDom (http://www.pxewd.com)
Instant random biblical messages in various language.

If you are worried and looking for meaning of life,
God's own word is the best way to go.

Come and visit, you won't be disappointed!
Kelvin

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TOPIC: Black Men, Soul Brothers
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2653021aec1ab69b
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 22 2006 1:57 am
From: Eris

On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 00:10:49 -0500, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:

>When a girl is raised without the guiding hand of a father, she is at
>greater risk of engaging in sexual experimentation - with its
>all-too-predictable consequence of unwanted pregnancy. One analysis found
>that young women with divorced parents were three times more likely to have
>an out-of-wedlock birth.

Have you ever been laid?

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TOPIC: Catholic Monk Who Advised Terri Schiavo Family Says Human Life at Risk
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/db6227f51ee54607
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 22 2006 7:05 am
From: rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer)

J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
>This holy man is only repeating what has been said by millions; a culture of
>death has overcome our society. It's time to take a stand and defend life.

thisofferdoesnotapplytojewsmuslimspregnantwomenorhomosexuals

--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net

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TOPIC: An American reaction to Islam
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/cad8f898e8679854
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 22 2006 6:08 pm
From: "Neil Boss"

Interesting as it is .. just swap the word Muslim for Christian European and
American for Native and go back 500 odd years, thats how the natives felt
too. The two evils of this world are Islam and Christianity.

Emanuel Appel <irgun43@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:59gSf.5244$k75.1214@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> Do You Love America?
> By Captain John Maniscalco
> FrontPageMagazine.com | March 16, 2006
>
>
> I've been trying to say this since 9-11 but you worry me. I wish you
> didn't. I wish when I walked down the streets of this country that I
love,
> that your color and culture still blended with the beautiful human
landscape
> we enjoy in this country. But you don't blend in anymore. I notice you,
and
> it worries me. I notice you because I can't help it anymore. People from
> your homelands, professing to be Muslims, have been attacking and killing
my
> fellow citizens and our friends for more than 20 years now. I don't fully
> understand their grievances and hate but I know that nothing can justify
the
> inhumanity of their attacks.
>
>
> On September 11, nineteen ARAB-MUSLIMS hijacked four jetliners in my
> country. They cut the throats of women in front of children and brutally
> stabbed to death others. They took control of those planes and crashed
them
> into buildings killing thousands of proud fathers, loving sons, wise
> grandparents, elegant daughters, best friends, favorite coaches, fearless
> public servants, and children's mothers. The Palestinians celebrated, The
> Iraqis were overjoyed as was most of the Arab world.
>
>
>
> So I notice you now. I don't want to be worried. I don't want to be
> consumed by the same rage and hate and prejudice that has destroyed the
soul
> of these terrorists. But I need your help. As a rational American,
trying
> to protect my country and family in an irrational and unsafe world, I must
> know how to tell the difference between you, and the Arab/Muslim
terrorist.
>
>
>
> How do I differentiate between the true Arab/Muslim-Americans and the
> Arab/Muslims in our communities who are attending our schools, enjoying
our
> parks, and living in OUR communities under the protection of OUR
> constitution, while they plot the next attack that will slaughter these
same
> good neighbors and children? The events of September 11th changed the
> answer. It is not my responsibility to determine which of you embraces
our
> great country, with ALL of its religions, with ALL of its different
> citizens, with all of its faults. It is time for every Arab/Muslim in
this
> country to determine it for me.
>
>
>
> I want to know, I demand to know, and I have a right to k now whether or
not
> you love America. Do you pledge allegiance to its flag? Do you proudly
> display it in front of your house, or on your car?
>
>
>
> Do you pray in your many daily prayers that Allah will bless this nation,
> that He will protect and prosper it? Or do you pray that Allah with
destroy
> it in one of your "Jihads"? Are you thankful for the freedom that only
this
> nation affords? A freedom that was paid for by the blood of hundreds of
> thousands of patriots who gave their lives for this country? Are you
> willing to preserve this freedom by paying the ultimate sacrifice? Do you
> love America? If this is your commitment, then I need YOU to start
letting
> ME know about it.
>
>
>
> Your Muslim leaders in this nation should be flooding the media at this
time
> with hard facts on your faith, and what hard actions you are taking as a
> community and as a religion to protect the United States of America.
> Please, no more benign overtures of regret for the death of the innocent
> because I worry about who you regard as innocent. No more benign
overtures
> of condemnation for the unprovoked attacks because I worry about what is
> unprovoked to you. I am not interested in any more sympathy...I am only
> interested in action. What will you do for America - our great country --
> at this time of crisis, at this time of war?
>
>
>
> I want to see Arab-Muslims waving the AMERICAN flag in the streets. I
want
> to hear you chanting "Allah Bless America". I want to see young
Arab/Muslim
> men enlisting in the military. I want to see a commitment of money, time,
> and emotion to the victims of this butchering and to this nation as a
whole.
> The FBI has a list of over 400 people they want to talk to regarding the
WTC
> attack. Many of these people live and socialize in Muslim communities.
You
> know them; You know where they are.
>
>
>
> Hand them over to us, now! But I have seen little even approaching this
> sort of action. Instead I have seen an already closed and secretive
> community close even tighter. You have disappeared from the streets. You
> have posted armed security guards at your facilities. You have threatened
> lawsuits. You have screamed for protection from reprisals.
>
>
>
> The very few Arab/Muslim representatives that HAVE appeared in the media
> were defensive and equivocating. They seemed more concerned with making
> sure that the United States proves who was responsible before taking
action.
> They seemed more concerned with protecting their fellow Muslims from
> violence directed towards them in the United States and abroad than they
did
> with supporting our country and denouncing "leaders" like Khadafi,
Hussein,
> Farrakhan, and Arafat. If the true teachings of Islam proclaim tolerance
> and peace and love for all people then I w ant chapter and verse from the
> Koran and statements from popular Muslim leaders to back it up. What good
> is it if the teachings in the Koran are good and pure and true when your
> "leaders" are teaching fanatical interpretations, terrorism, and
> intolerance?
>
>
>
> It matters little how good Islam SHOULD BE if large numbers of the world's
> Muslims interpret the teachings of Mohammed incorrectly and adhere to a
> degenerative form of the religion. A form that has been demonstrated to
us
> over and over again. A form whose structure is built upon a foundation of
> violence, death, and suicide. A form whose members are recruited from the
> prisons around the world. A form whose members (some as young as five
years
> old) are seen day after day, week in and week out, year after year,
marching
> in the streets around the world, burning effigies of our presidents,
burning
> the American flag, shooting weapons into the air. A form whose members
> convert from a peaceful religion, only to take up arms against the great
> United States of America, the country of their birth. A form whose rules
> are so twisted, that their traveling members refuse to show their faces at
> airport security checkpoints, in the name of Islam.
>
>
>
> Do you and your fellow Muslims hate us because our women proudly show
their
> faces in public rather than cover up like a shameful whore? Do you and
your
> fellow Muslims hate us because we drink wine with dinner, or celebrate
> Christmas? Do you and you fellow Muslims hate us because we have
befriended
> Israel, the ONLY civilized democratic nation in the entire Middle East?
>
> And if you and your fellow Muslims hate us, then why in the world are you
> even here? Are you here to take our money? Are you here to undermine our
> peace and stability? Are you here to destroy us? If so, I want you to
leave
> I want you to go back to your desert sandpit where women are treated like
> rats and dogs. I want you to take your religion, your friends, and your
> family back to your Islamic extremists, and STAY THERE! We will NEVER
give
> in to your influence, your retarded mentality, your twisted, violent,
> intolerant religion. We will NEVER allow the attacks of September 11, or
> any others for that matter, to take away that which is so precious to us:
> Our rights under the greatest constitution in the world. I want to know
> where every Arab/ Muslim in this country stands and I think it is my right
> and the right of every true citizen of this country to demand it. A right
> paid for by the blood of thousands of my brothers and sisters who died
> protecting the very constitution that is protecting you and your family.
I
> am pleading with you to let me know. I want you here as my brother, my
> neighbor, my friend, as a fellow American. But there can be no gray areas
or
> ambivalence regarding your allegiance and it is up to YOU to show ME where
> YOU stand. Until then ...you worry me.
>
> Click Here to support Frontpagemag.com.
>
>
>
>
>

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TOPIC: International Stuff
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/095f40fc54bbdf6d
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 11:32 pm
From: "Frank Kalder"

marika wrote:
> Frank Kalder wrote:
>
> > > >
> > A metaphor scares you?
>
> oh sure
>
> >
> > Would you feel his EX - Anni - might be rather afraid by that
> > jingle [...] or more by his 'groupies' sex-confession in the
> > interview? How do "girls" think about such an issue? Might she come
> > back to PRINCE TOBI?
> > >
> > > http://dramaqueenstyle.com
>
> well this link should tell you that sometimes women can be drama
> queens, as can men obviously
>
O yeah! Or, perhaps, even DRAMA KINGS?

> I am probably a poor selection to answer your question.
>
> In some way I have had the ability to see past hormones and to inject
> practicality into things. Perhaps this is a function of getting older
>
> I have always figured that people are going to do things at odd times
> in spite of their best judgment.
>
> It's much like being on a diet and letting the hormones take over so
> that you have that bowl of ice cream you thought you could say no to.
>
> Sexual transgressions are much the same.
>
> If they really really love each other then they can forgive one another
> and or even understand future accidents. And it becomes no one else's
> business if they decide that
>
> If they don't really love each other than they will treat each other as
> property and feel that the whole thing is about comparisons -- is the
> other person a better lover, has bigger body parts, is prettier,
> stronger, etc, etc
>
> There's got to be a lot of security in such a relationship but it isn't
> for me to guess if they have that amount of maturity
>

Wow, you're *not at all* a poor selection - but a maximum best one!
Great (assumptive) psychoanalysis!

However, in the real prince's case, it's all gone & over. His Anni
(who had quit already eight months ago) loves another one, meanwhile.
Tobi, presently (on job-duty) on the Spanish island Mallorca, would
anyway have *no time* to care about her -
http://groups.google.com/group/HAPLIF-BLOGGING_Deutsch/msg/1a0f8d7dafabddc1?&hl=en

> > >
> > Cute website! Perhaps, I'll provide a link at
> > DESIGNER FASHION ...(HAPLIF.net).
>
Here's the link:
http://groups.google.com/group/HAPLIF-DESIGNER-FASHION/msg/0dfe102a4ae488af?&hl=en

> > http://www.orbitalreviews.com/movies/Dragonfly.html
> > >
> > > this song is the PERFECT backdrop for the Dragonfly movie
> > >
> > > "Gonna see where I'm going, oh
> > > Po, po, po, po, popozao, popozao
> > > Po, po, po, po, popozao, popozao
> > > Po, po, po, po, popozao, popozao"--kevin federline
> > >
> > http://www.thesuperficial.com/archives/2006/01/27/james_lipton_recites_kevin_fed.html
>
> O MY GOD that was a great site absolutely howlingly funny
>
:)))

> Have you ever seen James Lipton's show
>
> This is a great satire on both of these people
>

Not yet, though - but I bet it is!

James Lipton:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0513851

> > BibaBui on January 30, 2006:
> > "In Brazil, the word "popozao" is a slang for "big ass".
> >
> > Popo (German) = booty :)
>
> Really, it's nearly the same word in German
>

More en vogue is now the abbreviation "Po".

It's mega IN with the adjective "knackig" (firm).

Sexiness-minded people (women and men alike) use to eat "einen
knackigen Salat" and to have "einen knackigen Po".

More on "knackige Pos":
http://www2.onhandy.t-online.de/dyn/c/03/81/83/381836,ei=httpx3Ax2Fx2Ftonline2004x2Eaffiliatex2Ehandyx2Edex2Fx2FshowCategoryx2Edox3Fcatx3D1155x26chlx3D2x26hsetx3D429x26affcatx3D543.html

I'd guess it's equivalent to "hot butts":
http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmcollection/0/2344

> >
> > - Belarus -
> >
> > http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.europe/msg/be9de851194ba0ec
> >
> > Unlike the Ukrainians the Belarusian people did not realize any change
> > in their politic system... - Are they sort of jackasses or just loyal
> > Russian friends?
> > >
>
> Here is what I think about that. If it's loyalty it's not to Russia
> but to the previous communist/socialistic regime that took care of
> needs. The winner of the election promised the electorate the same
> degree of security that they had before independence.
>
> I don't remember Belarus people campaigning for freedom in the same
> manner as Ukrainians throughout the ages. Ukrainians in the US were
> very active politically and very unified in lobbying politicians since
> at least the 60s. I am unaware that american belarussians did anything
> similar.
>
> However I could not call them jackasses. I always thought it was
> interesting when the USSR was ended and the countries were given the
> right to pursue independence. At that time many people wanted to
> return to Ukraine to remake Ukraine in their image and also, in the
> image of the parents who had come to the US in diaspora. I laughed at
> these people because first of all, no one who lived in the Ukraine
> wanted these people to come over there and do so. Because they hadn't
> struggled side by side with them. But also, they didn't want this
> because the returnees were already stuck with old style ideas of a
> century gone past.
>
> I always thought that it was interesting to watch how these newly
> liberated countries developed, to see how they would develop their own
> little laboratories of democracy/socialism/independence.
>
> Belarus is just one of the experiments where people have demonstrated
> that they want something closer to what existed in the days of USSR.
>
> Ukraine is a laboratory for a different direction.
>

Great and sensible *Eastern European Politics* analysis
- thanks very much!

> This is on tv in the computer room while I am typing
>
> http://www.shopnbc.com/product/?familyid=J153238&track=-10102&ciid=11281&taxid=&cm_re=HP-_-HS3-_-OnAir
>
> Each choice has 34 round single cut diamonds in bezel and prong
> settings making up the dragonfly designs at the top and bottom of the
> center stone
>
> It's hard to see the little dragonfly but he's SO CUTE
>

Yeah, I guess, I can see the dragonfly, too, particularly in the
enlarged photo :)
>
> "(ay, where yo' name at? )
> It's in the source, you ain't seen it?
> (ay, where yo' change at? )
> You can't tell dirty, I'm sparklin? "--nelly, jang-a-lang

http://www.metrolyrics.com/lyrics/182535//Jang_a_Lang

Could we say (theoretically) "he's sparkling while he talks
dirty"?

CU, Frank

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