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* Planned Parenthood Abortion Centers Lure Teens With iPods, Movie Tickets - 4
messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6b864d136cbf256
* NO FREE RIDE ANY MORE! - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/66b2a96e6aac1929
* Global Warming Now Irreversible. Capitalist Way of Life Responsible - 2
messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2660b5dca799b991
* We're FRICKED, peoplez !!!!!!!! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6b3ac486f8a62a5e
* The final end of Ali Asker the pkk a$$ - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2a781502bced1f5f
* WSJ: Why Not Liberate the American Worker - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/dff0702be9d23a69
* SECURING THE KIKE REALM - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/8dd1ed5cdcb29a1b
* El deterioro del poder parece indetenible.Hay signos de alarma. - 1 messages,
1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/68607aac87e1154a
* How man Bush cabinet members does it take to change a light bulb? - 2
messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f028a98281fc7552
* Venezuela , Cadena Global ,noticias - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/fe4dffadb3e53669
* Goodbye Europe - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/45e5b9700b1e9ac3
* Rabbi orders maiming of dolls - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/992f33a32033d4a
* Hizb removed constitution from website after humiliating debate - 2 messages,
2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d1d169c6b531b38a
* REAL conservatives need to speak up! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9c8a065dd2a7418e
* My Recent Trip to London - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a49283aa39753c71
* - 1 message, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/

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TOPIC: Planned Parenthood Abortion Centers Lure Teens With iPods, Movie
Tickets
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6b864d136cbf256
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 6:46 am
From: "Pr0r3p"

Johnny wrote:
> "Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@mail2world.com> wrote in message
> news:1143808361.955067.89250@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1606434/posts
> >
> >
> >
> > Planned Parenthood Abortion Centers Lure Teens With iPods, Movie
> > Tickets
> >
> > LifeNews ^ | March 30, 2006 | Steven Ertelt
> >
> >
> > Posted on 03/30/2006 3:46:27 PM PST by rhema
> >
> >
> > San Francisco, CA -- Teenagers in the United States are having
> > abortions in fewer numbers than at any time since Roe v. Wade and are
> > more pro-life than older Americans. That means fewer customers for
> > Planned Parenthood, but the abortion business has come up with a
> > corporate marketing plan to lure teens with free iPods and movie
> > tickets. Planned Parenthood Golden Gate, the center that gave teenager
> > Holly Patterson the dangerous abortion drug that killed her, is leading
> > the way with the new marketing scheme.
> >
> > Anyone who makes an appointment at one of the eight PPGG centers before
> > April 30, 2006, can enter to win an iPod.
>
> Notice their lack of generosity.
> A contest?
> LOL!!!!!!!!
> They have one Ipod they want to give away?

If you'd like to donate a few more to the cause, I'm sure they would
accept since you seem to have a problem with them only giving one ipod
away.

>
> > A poster announcing another Planned Parenthood program, called
> > "Tell-A-Friend," includes a photograph of a teenage girl whispering
> > into the ear of another teen and telling. The text of the ad reads:
> > "Get free movie tickets? Yes. When you tell a friend about Planned
> > Parenthood."
> >
> > "These are some of the schemes Planned Parenthood is using to lure
> > teenagers into its deadly facilities," said Douglas Scott, president
> > of Life Decisions International, a group that organizes boycotts of
> > companies that contribute to the abortion business.
>
> If Planned Parenthood's tax exempt status were revoked they wouldn't get
> contributions.
> Granting Planned Parenthood tax exempt status is in violatiuon of the First
> Amendment.

The first amendment says nothing about tax exempt status, asshole.

> There is no free exercise right for Planned Parenthood.

Still trying to argue that the constitution limits what the people may
do, asshole? The constitution clearly limits goverment powers over the
people. The people have the right to "exercise" anything they want so
long as it's not illegal.

>
> > "Now which age group is most likely to be swayed by this kind of
> > gimmick?" Scott asked. "This incentive is clearly aimed at young
> > people."
>
> Why wouldn't people who don't like them get the tickets and bust their
> budget?
> LOL!
> I guess I would get some free tickets, too, just to run them outa business.

So, start referring your female friends (if you have any) to PP and you
can get them.
In order to get all their tickets, you'll have to refer lots of female
friends.

>
> > "Planned Parenthood has resorted to common corporate tactics in an
> > effort to get young people to encourage their peers to voluntarily
> > become the pro-abortion group's new victims," he said.
>
> Taking the tickets doesn't guarantee that someone will be Pro-abortion.
> Planned parenthood is stupid.
> I would take all their tickets and and not pay them a cent.

Except your time to refer female friends who then have to schedule an
appointment and keep it.

>
> > In the tell a friend campaign, teens are asked to obtain a special card
> > at a Planned Parenthood center or download one from their web site. The
> > promoter gets two free movie passes redeemable at any United Artist
> > theater and the friend receives $10 off her first visit.
>
> LOL!
> What a budget buster for PP.

If it's so easy, then I challenge you to do it. Do you have the guts?
I suspect not.

> LOL!
> I would not give them tax dollars to subsidize their losses.

Who said anyone is subsidizing their losses?

> Who would pump the peoples' money into such a losing business?

Care to prove your claim that the peoples' money is going into such a
losing business? I didn't think so, coward.

> I imagine Clinton gave them some cash to get them off his back.

You're delusional and paranoid. You probably imagine plenty of things
that aren't true.

>
> > Other Planned Parenthood abortion businesses other than PPGG are using
> > the campaign as well, including the Planned Parenthood ffiliate network
> > in Colorado.
> >
> > Scott said the cards are also offensive because they include graphics
> > from a cartoon video PPGG produced calling for violence against
> > pro-life advocates. A superhero in the cartoon asks abortion advocates
> > to participate in the "elimination" of pro-life people and shoots them
> > with a ray gun.
>
> "Bazooka Joe" won't like this.
>
> > "Just like any other business, a key target group for Planned
> > Parenthood is young people," Scott said. "And once a teenager is
> > hooked, he or she can prove to be a good source of income for many
> > years to come."
>
> Remember the 'war' against tobacco targeting young people?

Exactly what is PP providing that people are going to get hooked on?

>
> > LDI is currently investigating to determine if United Artists donated
> > the tickets to Planned Parenthood or if they were purchased by the
> > group. The pro-life group has not yet called for a boycott of the movie
> > theater company.
>
> Planned Parenthood wants more pussy.

Then you'd better get in line...

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:23 am
From: "Johnny"

"Pr0r3p" <pr0r3p@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1143816415.647410.187550@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>
> Johnny wrote:
>> "Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@mail2world.com> wrote in message
>> news:1143808361.955067.89250@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1606434/posts
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Planned Parenthood Abortion Centers Lure Teens With iPods, Movie
>> > Tickets
>> >
>> > LifeNews ^ | March 30, 2006 | Steven Ertelt
>> >
>> >
>> > Posted on 03/30/2006 3:46:27 PM PST by rhema
>> >
>> >
>> > San Francisco, CA -- Teenagers in the United States are having
>> > abortions in fewer numbers than at any time since Roe v. Wade and are
>> > more pro-life than older Americans. That means fewer customers for
>> > Planned Parenthood, but the abortion business has come up with a
>> > corporate marketing plan to lure teens with free iPods and movie
>> > tickets. Planned Parenthood Golden Gate, the center that gave teenager
>> > Holly Patterson the dangerous abortion drug that killed her, is leading
>> > the way with the new marketing scheme.
>> >
>> > Anyone who makes an appointment at one of the eight PPGG centers before
>> > April 30, 2006, can enter to win an iPod.
>>
>> Notice their lack of generosity.
>> A contest?
>> LOL!!!!!!!!
>> They have one Ipod they want to give away?
>
> If you'd like to donate a few more to the cause, I'm sure they would
> accept since you seem to have a problem with them only giving one ipod
> away.
>
>>
>> > A poster announcing another Planned Parenthood program, called
>> > "Tell-A-Friend," includes a photograph of a teenage girl whispering
>> > into the ear of another teen and telling. The text of the ad reads:
>> > "Get free movie tickets? Yes. When you tell a friend about Planned
>> > Parenthood."
>> >
>> > "These are some of the schemes Planned Parenthood is using to lure
>> > teenagers into its deadly facilities," said Douglas Scott, president
>> > of Life Decisions International, a group that organizes boycotts of
>> > companies that contribute to the abortion business.
>>
>> If Planned Parenthood's tax exempt status were revoked they wouldn't get
>> contributions.
>> Granting Planned Parenthood tax exempt status is in violatiuon of the
>> First
>> Amendment.
>
> The first amendment says nothing about tax exempt status, asshole.
>
>> There is no free exercise right for Planned Parenthood.
>
> Still trying to argue that the constitution limits what the people may
> do, asshole? The constitution clearly limits goverment powers over the
> people. The people have the right to "exercise" anything they want so
> long as it's not illegal.
>
>>
>> > "Now which age group is most likely to be swayed by this kind of
>> > gimmick?" Scott asked. "This incentive is clearly aimed at young
>> > people."
>>
>> Why wouldn't people who don't like them get the tickets and bust their
>> budget?
>> LOL!
>> I guess I would get some free tickets, too, just to run them outa
>> business.
>
> So, start referring your female friends (if you have any) to PP and you
> can get them.
> In order to get all their tickets, you'll have to refer lots of female
> friends.

You are giving tickets only to females?
That is not legal.

>>
>> > "Planned Parenthood has resorted to common corporate tactics in an
>> > effort to get young people to encourage their peers to voluntarily
>> > become the pro-abortion group's new victims," he said.
>>
>> Taking the tickets doesn't guarantee that someone will be Pro-abortion.
>> Planned parenthood is stupid.
>> I would take all their tickets and and not pay them a cent.
>
> Except your time to refer female friends who then have to schedule an
> appointment and keep it.

There is a catch?
Wow. Another strike against PP's fake 'giveaway'.

>>
>> > In the tell a friend campaign, teens are asked to obtain a special card
>> > at a Planned Parenthood center or download one from their web site. The
>> > promoter gets two free movie passes redeemable at any United Artist
>> > theater and the friend receives $10 off her first visit.
>>
>> LOL!
>> What a budget buster for PP.
>
> If it's so easy, then I challenge you to do it. Do you have the guts?
> I suspect not.
>
>> LOL!
>> I would not give them tax dollars to subsidize their losses.
>
> Who said anyone is subsidizing their losses?
>
>> Who would pump the peoples' money into such a losing business?
>
> Care to prove your claim that the peoples' money is going into such a
> losing business? I didn't think so, coward.
>
>> I imagine Clinton gave them some cash to get them off his back.
>
> You're delusional and paranoid. You probably imagine plenty of things
> that aren't true.
>
>>
>> > Other Planned Parenthood abortion businesses other than PPGG are using
>> > the campaign as well, including the Planned Parenthood ffiliate network
>> > in Colorado.
>> >
>> > Scott said the cards are also offensive because they include graphics
>> > from a cartoon video PPGG produced calling for violence against
>> > pro-life advocates. A superhero in the cartoon asks abortion advocates
>> > to participate in the "elimination" of pro-life people and shoots them
>> > with a ray gun.
>>
>> "Bazooka Joe" won't like this.
>>
>> > "Just like any other business, a key target group for Planned
>> > Parenthood is young people," Scott said. "And once a teenager is
>> > hooked, he or she can prove to be a good source of income for many
>> > years to come."
>>
>> Remember the 'war' against tobacco targeting young people?
>
> Exactly what is PP providing that people are going to get hooked on?
>
>>
>> > LDI is currently investigating to determine if United Artists donated
>> > the tickets to Planned Parenthood or if they were purchased by the
>> > group. The pro-life group has not yet called for a boycott of the movie
>> > theater company.
>>
>> Planned Parenthood wants more pussy.
>
> Then you'd better get in line...

I am not behind you or PP.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:27 am
From: "Johnny"

You're not very effective at rasing money, huh?

>>
>> > A poster announcing another Planned Parenthood program, called
>> > "Tell-A-Friend," includes a photograph of a teenage girl whispering
>> > into the ear of another teen and telling. The text of the ad reads:
>> > "Get free movie tickets? Yes. When you tell a friend about Planned
>> > Parenthood."
>> >
>> > "These are some of the schemes Planned Parenthood is using to lure
>> > teenagers into its deadly facilities," said Douglas Scott, president
>> > of Life Decisions International, a group that organizes boycotts of
>> > companies that contribute to the abortion business.
>>
>> If Planned Parenthood's tax exempt status were revoked they wouldn't get
>> contributions.
>> Granting Planned Parenthood tax exempt status is in violatiuon of the
>> First
>> Amendment.
>
> The first amendment says nothing about tax exempt status, asshole.

Why do you like to tell people their contributions to PP are tax-exempt
then?

>> There is no free exercise right for Planned Parenthood.
>
> Still trying to argue that the constitution limits what the people may
> do, asshole?

I am not arguing.

> The constitution clearly limits goverment powers over the
> people.

The Consitution does not grant tax exempt status to Planned Parenthood.

> The people have the right to "exercise" anything they want so
> long as it's not illegal.

Is this part of your speech at PP recruitment events?

>>
>> > "Now which age group is most likely to be swayed by this kind of
>> > gimmick?" Scott asked. "This incentive is clearly aimed at young
>> > people."
>>
>> Why wouldn't people who don't like them get the tickets and bust their
>> budget?
>> LOL!
>> I guess I would get some free tickets, too, just to run them outa
>> business.
>
> So, start referring your female friends (if you have any) to PP and you
> can get them.
> In order to get all their tickets, you'll have to refer lots of female
> friends.
>
>>
>> > "Planned Parenthood has resorted to common corporate tactics in an
>> > effort to get young people to encourage their peers to voluntarily
>> > become the pro-abortion group's new victims," he said.
>>
>> Taking the tickets doesn't guarantee that someone will be Pro-abortion.
>> Planned parenthood is stupid.
>> I would take all their tickets and not pay them a cent.
>
> Except your time to refer female friends who then have to schedule an
> appointment and keep it.

Bait and switch, huh?

[snip]

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 3:45 pm
From: Jim07D6

"Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> said:

<...>

>There is no free exercise right for Planned Parenthood.

In your fascist dreams.
<...>
--- Jim07D6

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TOPIC: NO FREE RIDE ANY MORE!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/66b2a96e6aac1929
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 6:52 am
From: "jgarbuz"

serwad wrote:
> "BernardZ" <DontBother@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1e952c3089df2d449896bc@west.Usenet-News.net...
> > In article <exsWf.5432$g6.1581@bignews8.bellsouth.net>,
> > serwad@bellsouth.net says...
> >> Two U.S. astronauts will travel aboard a Russian spacecraft as paying
> >> passengers for the first time when they take part in a mission which gets
> >> under way later today to swap the crew of the international space
> >> station.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Its a good thing. If the Russians can put them up cheaper then NASA its
> > better that they go up in a Russian launcher.
>
> Good or not, there is no other choice! Russian technology is far better than
> ours!<

Well, it is sturdier mainly because they killed dozens of Russian
cosmonauts in its
development, as the old commie Russians didn't see the need in costly
backup systems! They figured it was cheaper to kill a few dozens of
their cosmonauts in testing until they get it right! In an open
society like the US , where the deaths of astronauts could not be
concealed, it was always necessary to radically overspend on backup
and safety systems
rather than using astronauts as expendable guinea pigs! That is why
all the problems
in Russian engineering could come out earlier at the expense of a few
dozen dead astronauts until the final product was virtually foolproof
and indestructible. They had already eliminated the weak spots along
with their undocumented test cosmonauts.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 7:06 am
From: "jgarbuz"

Jim E wrote:
> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:pYDWf.2176$L7.1006@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> >
> > "Jim E" <YD653126@sea.edu> wrote in message
> > news:48vpjmFm0d4vU1@individual.net...
> >>
> >> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> >> news:Y%vWf.1211$z7.431@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> >>>

>>>You would know about that, of course! Pretty soon Brazil will be
> > overtaking US in space also!
>

> But the serbs will still be working on fire.
> And you will still be wearing leaky depends.<

What's with all the anti-Serb sentiments? Oh, because of that massacre
at Sbrenica?
The hatred didn't come out of thin air! Read this about what happened
to Serbs in WWII!
Many of the parents and grandparents of Serbs who committed that
massacre had
been murdered by Albanian Muslim fascists in WWII:
------------------

"The roots of Kosovo fascism
by George Thompson (2-19-00)"

www.tenc.net [emperors-clothes]

THAT WAS THEN...

"The Serbian population in Kosovo should be removed as soon as
possible. Serbian settlers should be killed." (Albanian fascist leader
Mustafa Kroja, June 1942.)

...AND THIS IS NOW

"He, like many KLA officers, says openly that he dreams of a Kosovo
without Serbs." (Description of KLA death squad commander "the
Teacher", Agence France Presse, August 19, 1999)

"As Germany overtook Yugoslavia in 1941, the Kosovar people were
liberated by the Germans. All Albanian territories of this state, such
as Kosova, western Macedonia and border regions under Montenegro, were
re-united into Albania proper. Albanian schools, governmental
administration, press and radio were re-established." (From
www.klpm.org , a Kosovo Liberation Army-affiliated affiliated website)

Mussolini's Italy occupied Albania proper in April, 1939, and
established a collaborationist regime with the apparent enthusiasm of
most Albanians.(1) After Hitler invaded and occupied Yugoslavia in
spring 1941, the bulk of current Kosovo-Metohija was placed under
Italian-Albanian collaborationist control and annexed to Albania.(2)

When Italian forces moved into Kosovo they were accompanied by
Albanians from Albania. Albanians living in Kosovo joined the invasion
force as it made its way North and West, and also ambushed Yugoslav
Army units moving to meet the invaders. These Albanians, natives of
both Albania and Kosovo, instituted a campaign of murder and expulsion
of Serbs. Initially, the mayhem was carried out by disorganized
"kachak" (irregular) units. These were Albanian brigands from both
sides of the border who had fought Yugoslavia throughout the 1920s and
1930s.(3) However, soon a native Kosovo militia was formed. This
militia, called the Vulnetari, and various gendarme units, began more
systematic persecution.(4)

ITALIAN FASCISTS TAKEN ABACK

Italian authorities in Kosovo seemed a bit distressed by the terror
against Serbs and occasionally intervened to prevent Albanian attacks,
at least in urban areas. Thus a Serbian historian wrote: "Italian
troops were stationed in the towns of Kosovo and acted as a restraining
force ..."(5) And Carlo Umilta, a civilian aide to the Commander of the
Italian occupation forces, described several instances where Italian
forces fired on Albanians to halt massacres of Serbs.6)

Because of manpower limitations and the de facto alliance between
Albanians and the Axis powers, these efforts at restraint were limited.
Nevertheless, the Italian occupiers reported their disgust at
Albanians' actions to the authorities in Rome. The Italian army
reported that Albanians were "hunting down Serbs", and that the
"Serbian minority are living in conditions that are truly disgraceful,
constantly harassed by the brutality of the Albanians, who are whipping
up racial hatred."(7) Carlo Umilta described some of the atrocities in
his memoirs and observed that "the Albanians are out to exterminate the
Slavs."(8) His words were echoed by those of German diplomat Hermann
Neubacher, the Third Reich's representative for southeastern Europe:
"Shiptars (i.e., Kosovo Albanians) were in a hurry to expel as many
Serbs as possible from the country."(9)

The atrocities were deliberate, part of a plan to create a Serb-free
"Greater Albania". In June 1942 the fascist puppet president of
Albania, Mustafa Kroja, declared his goals candidly before his
followers in Kosovo:

"The Serbian population of Kosovo should be removed as soon as
possible . . . All indigenous Serbs should be qualified as colonists
and as such, via the Albanian and Italian governments, be sent to
concentration camps in Albania. Serbian settlers should be killed."
(10)

Similar sentiments were expressed by a Kosovo Albanian leader,
Ferat-bey Draga:

"time has come to exterminate the Serbs . . . there will be no
Serbs under the Kosovo sun."(11)

The anti-Serb pogroms intensified after Italy's collapse in September
1943. The German Nazi's assumed control of Albania, including Kosovo.
Italian military units pulled out and were replaced by three divisions
of the German XXI Mountain Corps. The German presence freed the
Albanians of restraint.

Kosovo Albanian nationalist militias called the "Balli Kombëtar" (or
"Ballistas") carried out a campaign of deportation and murder of Serbs
in 1943 and 1944. Then, on Hitler's express order, the Germans formed
the 21st "Waffen-Gebirgs Division der SS" - the Skanderbeg Division.
With German leaders and Kosovo Albanian officers and troops, Hitler's
hoped that using the Skanderbergs Germany could "achieve its well-known
political objective" of creating a viable (i.e., pure) "Greater
Albania" including Kosovo.(12)

In general, German policy was to organize volunteer military units
among Nazi sympathizers in occupied countries. Of all the occupied
nations only the Serbs, Greeks and Poles refused to form Nazi volunteer
units. Rather than joining the Nazis, as the Albanians in Kosovo did,

{IMPORTANT]

the Serbs organized the largest anti-Nazi resistance in Europe.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Both the Communist Partisans and thee Royalist Chetniks were mainly
Serbs and both groups fought the Germans and their local allies
throughout Yugoslavia.

The Germans recruited the 9,000 man Skanderbeg division to fight these
resistance groups But the Skanderberg's Albanians had little interest
in going up against soldiers; they mainly wanted to terrorize local
Serbs, "Gypsies" and Jews. Many of these Kosovo Albanians had seen
prior service in the Bosnian Muslim and Croatian SS divisions which
were notorious for slaughtering civilians.

What explained this passionate hatred for non-Albanians? A big factor
was militant Islam. The Fundamentalist "Second League of Prizren" was
created in September 1943 by Xhafer Deva, a Kosovo Albanian, to work
with the German authorities. The League proclaimed a jihad (holy war)
against Slavs. They were backed by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, El Haj
Emin Huseini, who was pro-Nazi and had called for getting rid of all
Jews in what was at that time British-occupied Palestine. Albanian
religious intolerance was shown by their targeting Serbian Orthodox
churches and monasteries for destruction.(13)

No one is certain of human destruction suffered in this Fascist
Albanian Holocaust. Estimates range from 10,000 to 30,000 Serbs
murdered. At least 100,000 were driven from Kosovo and replaced with
"immigrants" from Albania proper.(14)

In justifying current Kosovo Albanian demands to secede from Serbia,
the media has repeated, like a mantra: 90% of the population is
Albanian. While this figure is most likely exaggerated (nobody knows
for sure because Kosovo Albanians boycotted the census for years!) -
the province has been largely Albanian. But a major cause of the
current demographic imbalance: was the Albanians' success as Hitler's
willing executioners during World War II.(15)

And their attention was not limited to Serbs. Unknown numbers of Roma
("Gypsies") were liquidated. And Kosovo Albanians, acting alone as well
as under German direction, eliminated many of Kosovo's Jews.

The definitive work on Hitler's "Final Solution" in Yugoslavia (16)
estimates that 550 Jews lived in Kosovo Hitler took over Yugoslavia.
210 of them, or 38 percent, were murdered in Kosovo, mainly by
Albanians. In fact, the Skanderbeg division's first operation was to
act as an "einsatzgruppen" against the Jews, and its second was a
similar extermination foray against the Serb village of Velika where
more than 400 Serbians were murdered.(17)

Ceda Prlincevic, head of the Jewish community in Pristina and an
executive of the provincial archives, has explained to Emperors-Clothes
that the Jews who were not murdered outright were sent by the
Skanderbeg division to the German death camps Treblinka and
Bergen-Belsen. One train, on its way to the latter camp, took the wrong
track and was intercepted by advancing Russian soldiers. According to
Mr. Prlincevic, were it not for that fortunate detour, the entire
Jewish population of Kosovo would have been eliminated.

Although KLA supporters now claim that no Jews were killed in Kosovo
and that Jews were sheltered by the Kosovo Albanians, such claims are
false and should be treated the same way we would treat other Holocaust
denials.

ALBANIAN FASCISTS GO ON FIGHTING

The Germans surrendered in 1945, but the remnants of the Kosovo
Albanian Nazi and fascist groups continued fighting the Yugoslav
government for six years, with a major rebellion from 1945 to 1948 in
the Drenica region. (Drenica was the hotbed for KLA recruiting in
1998-99). That rebellion was under the command of Shabhan Paluzha; it
is called the Shabhan Paluzha rebellion. Sporadic violence continued
until 1951. It is literally true to say that the last shots of World
War II were fired in Kosovo

PARTING THOUGHT

This past summer, as Germans entered Prizren in Kosovo for the first
time since World War II, an NBC correspondent reported:

* "I was at dinner with a kind Kosovo Muslim family the other night
when talk turned to the German NATO troops that rolled into town to
make the city the headquarters of its peacekeeping district. The
patriarch of the family, a man old enough to remember the last time
German troops rolled into Prizren, said they all felt safe now. 'The
German soldiers are excellent,' he said. Then he added, 'I should know,
I used to be one.' Then he raised his arm in a Nazi salute and said,
'Heil,' and laughed merrily. (NBC, June 18, 1999)

FOOTNOTES

(1) Professor Nikalaos A. Stavrou, KFOR: Repeating History, The
Washington Times (August 11, 1999).

(2) Hugo Wolf, Kosovo Origins (1996) chapter 10. Portions of northern
Kosovo, from Mitrovica to the provincial border with Serbia, were
administered by Germany from the outset, primarily to exploit the mines
in the area. An eastern sliver of Kosovo was ceded to Bulgaria.

(3) Dr. Smilja Avramov, Genocide in Yugoslavia, Part 2, Chapter 5,
"Genocide in Kosovo and Metohija" (1995): "The crimes were begun by the
'kachak' guerrilla detachments which had been sent into Kosovo from
Albania, but members of the Shqiptar minority quickly joined in.
Judging from Italian reports, at first the situation resembled more the
marauding of bandits than a deliberate policy."

(4) Dr. Dusan Batakovic, The Kosovo Chronicles (1992); Avramov, supra.

(5) Dr. Smilja Avramov, supra.

(6) Carlo Umilta, Jugoslavia e Albania, Memoire di un diplomatico
(1947), in Avramov, supra, note 141.

(7) Dr. Smilja Avramov, supra, note 117.

(8) Carlo Umilta, Jugoslavia e Albania, Memoire di un diplomatico
(1947), in Avramov, supra, note 137.

(9) Hermann Neubacher, Sonderauftrag Sudost (1953), quoted in Dr.
Slavenko Terzic, Old Serbia and Albanians.

(10) Dr. Slavenko Terzic, Kosovo, Serbian Issue and the Greater Albania
Project.

(11) Batakovic, supra, citing H. Bajrami, Izvestaj Konstantina Plavsica
Tasi Dinicu, ministru unutrasnjih poslova u Nedicevoj vladi oktobra
1943, o kosovsko-mitrovackanm srezu, Godisnjak arhiva Kosova XIV-XV
(1978-1979) at 313.

(12) Avramov, supra, note 151.

(13) Avramov, supra, note 148, citing Bishop Atanisije Jevtic, From
Kosovo to Jadovno.

(14) Batakovic gives a conservative estimate of 10,000 dead while Dr.
Slavenko Terzic cites a contemporary American intelligence report that
10,000 died in the first year of occupation alone. Terzic, supra,
citing Serge Krizman, Maps of Yugoslavia at War (1943). Carl Kosta
Savitch, in Genocide in Kosovo: Skanderbeg Division, quotes a wartime
account that 30,000 to 40,000 Serbs were killed by Albanians. In
addition, an unknown number of Serbs dies in the German-operated work
camps of Pristina and Mitrovica, or were killed by the Germans as
reprisals against resistance activity.

The reported number of expelled Serbs also varies depending on the
source. Dragnich and Todorovich cited the figure of 70,000-100,000,
based on a review of wartime refugee records. Dmitri Bogdanovich
estimates 100,000, but acknowledges that the exact number has never
been determined. Dmitri Bogdanovich, The Kosovo Question: Past and
Present (1985). Dr. Avramov notes that wartime records showing 70,000
refugees from Kosovo counted only those persons in need of government
assistance who registered with the Commissariat for Refugees in
Belgrade. Records of those who did not register, or who fled to
Montenegro, apparently do not exist. Avramov, supra.

(15) Before world war 2 Serbs constituted a slight majority of the
Kosovo population. Avramov, supra. In addition to the murder and
expulsion of Serbs, the relative ethnic population balance was further
skewed by the entrance of hundreds of thousands of ethnic Albanians
from Albania proper during the war. Relying on Italian records from the
time, Dr. Avramov estimates that 150,000 to 200,000 Albanians moved
into Kosovo between 1941 and 1943.

(16) The Crimes of Fascist Occupants and Their Collaborators Against
the Jews of Yugoslavia (1952, revised 1957) (published by The
Federation of Jewish Communities of Yugoslavia).

(17) Avramov, supra.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 9:52 am
From: "Juanita Alimaña"

Hey you Goth Boy, why don't you take your boyfriend and leave this place
stupidity-free? FUCK OFF ALREADY!!!

"Stormy" <stormy_shells@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1143764875.770218.164060@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Turin wrote:
>> "Short Little George" <george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com> retreated:
>> > Turin wrote:
>> > > "Irrelevant George" <george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com> wrote:
>> > > > Turin wrote:
>> > > > > "Curious George" <george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > Turin wrote:
>> > > > > > > "Cracker George" <george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > "Frank Arthur" <Art@Arthurian.com> wrote in message
>> > > > > > > > news:zDDWf.151$Q8.16@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > "Turin" <TurinTurambar.1@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > > > > > > > news:1143667915.694378.100380@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> > > > > > > > > Thanks to a century of large-scale oil consumption in the
>> > > > > > > > > greedy West,
>> > > > > > > > > we can all now look forward to winter tornados, marvelous
>> > > > > > > > > new forms of
>> > > > > > > > > skin cancer, a missing Amazon, and maybe a few
>> > > > > > > > > hibernating dinosaurs
>> > > > > > > > > waking up for lunch.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > While industrial Russia, China & India are also cosidered
>> > > > > > > > > "the greedy
>> > > > > > > > > West"?
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Yeah, take a look at the global methane map:
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > http://www.universetoday.com/am/uploads/2005-0318methane-full.jpg
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > As they say: A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing
>> > > > > > > (in the
>> > > > > > > hands of a redneck).
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Oh, and while you are at it, take a look at the Chinese
>> > > > > > > > dust storm circling
>> > > > > > > > the globe:
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/natural_hazards_v2.php3?img_id=1622
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > hahaha .....whatever that's supposed to mean
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/06/0601_chinadust.html
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > dude. you should get a job as the oracle of delphi
>> > > > > > > ...hahaha
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > No thanks. I prefer my job as a geologist.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Lmao, that's a good one, too.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Just don't quit that job as a troll...
>> > > >
>> > > > Excuse me. I mistook you for a human being. My mistake.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Haha, I sure love slapping down these timid little "patriots".
>> >
>> > When you finally graduate from kindergarten, let me know. I'll be sure
>> > to
>> > send a congratulatory card.
>>
>>
>> Hahaha ....poor little nobody troll, named George.
>> I win another round.
>>
>
> George is obviously another leading expert in knowing nothing Turin
> LOL
>
> Stormy
>
>>
>> > 1 Pissed-off Little George
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Yeah, there's nothing like picking one up by the scruff of the neck,
>> > > shaking him good and listening for each wet plop of shit fill his
>> > > underwear, while he shies from your intense city-boy eyes.
>> > >
>> > > Meanwhile his little A-K sits at home, unused ...hahaha
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > - - -
>> > >
>> > > The face of an angel, the charm of the devil
>> > > ...the power of a god:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Turin
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I have such sites to show you...
>> > > ------------------------
>> > >
>> > > http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
>> > > http://groups.google.com/group/Men_First
>> > >
>> > > ------------------------
>> > >
>> > > "He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth, or
>> > > maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
>> > > burn in hell forever and ever...."
>> > >
>> > > -----
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > George
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Geologic George
>> > > > > > College of Knowledge, U of Bullshit
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Curious George
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > "It's absurd. How can I set free anyone who doesn't have the
>> > > > > > > guts to
>> > > > > > > stand up alone and declare his own freedom?"
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > ~ Jim Morrison
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > - - -
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Few can dispute him. Even fewer dare...
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Turin
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > I have such sites to show you...
>> > > > > > > ------------------------
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
>> > > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/Men_First
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > ------------------------
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > "He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with,
>> > > > > > > deleteth, or
>> > > > > > > maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be
>> > > > > > > known shall
>> > > > > > > burn in hell forever and ever...."
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > -----
>> > > >
>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 3:46 pm
From: "George"

"Juanita Alimaña" <juanitaalimaña@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:UjbXf.2872$L7.467@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> Hey you Goth Boy, why don't you take your boyfriend and leave this place
> stupidity-free? FUCK OFF ALREADY!!!

Not a problem. That is what filters are for. I've made a couple of very
special ones just for them.

George

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 2:54 pm
From:

A couple of interesting links showing possible extemes of earths past climate :-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowball_Earth
http://www.gps.caltech.edu/~devans/iitpw/iitpwpr.html

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 5:04 pm
From: "TrafalgarSquare" <520001085531-0001@t-online.de>

It seems we have seen the final end of this pkk a$$.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 7:39 am
From: "Richard"

Not by a long shot. There is no such thing as the final end in an
infinite and abundant universe. Only in limited, mediocre and
prostituted minds.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 3:10 pm
From: "Michael Legel"

"nightwind" <nightwind65@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1143811948_1549@sp6iad.superfeed.net...

> Why would they work union? I have seen the union make promises they can't
> possibly keep. They have bankrupted the auto industry, the airline
> industry, and most of the formerly unionized trucking companies! These are
> facts, so tell me why, again, everyone will be working union?
>

Absolute nonsense. Poor management and ever worse government have caused
problems for these industries. You will note than none of these industries
have gone out of business and they all continue to have a robust offshore
business. Just because our government allows them to cook the books isn't a
reason to blame the workers for the stupidity.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 5:12 pm
From: Calife

DoD wrote:
> "Calife" <user@user.net> wrote in message

>> I'm an american in Europe, glad to leave that shitty place all to you!!!
> :-D
>
> Good deal, Jew hater and yes you are. You love only Jews that believe your
> shitty ideology that they are people that don't deserve a state. That is
> your Supremist Euro attitude.

Again DoD takes his phantasms for reality. He has decided I was a Jew
hater, and that's the end of that. Never mind that I have on numerous
occasions in this group and others taken anti-Semites to task for
equating Jewishness with zionism. Never mind that I wrote a longish list
of all the great Jewish Ashkenazim artist of the past 200 years, showing
my love and admiration for them clearly and unequivocally! When someone
made a list of Hollywood/media celebrities allegedly Jewish and
vomited racist insults upon them, seeing in their presence a proof of
that mythical and non-existent "Jewish stranglehold on the media and the
arts", I responded that all this was anecdotal and NO PROOF of Jewish
domination of anything, yet their strong presence in European arts over
the past 200 years or so were proof however of Jewish superiority what
with being able to fill so many places at the top of the arts world. On
merit and talent alone!!!
This is what I posted in response to Salah's (??) long list:

----------
From: Calife - view profile
Date: Thurs, Jan 19 2006 10:02 am
Email: Calife <u...@user.net>
Groups: soc.culture.jewish, soc.culture.israel, soc.culture.usa,
soc.culture.russian, soc.culture.egyptian

Considering the list of movie names below, assuming it to be true, and
assuming it matters, the only conclusion one can reach is that jewish
artists are incredibly superior in talent and ability to their non-jew
colleagues. With a few exceptions, these are all major talents.
And it's limited to the Hollywood film industry (for the most part)
which has to be the "poor relation" of the art world. We're not talking
of the finer arts like music or litterature.
With the likes of Leopold Auer, Joseph Joachim, Jascha Heifetz, Fritz
Kreisler, Effrem Zimbalist, Misha Elman, Michael Rabin, Isaac Stern,
David and Igor Oistrakh, Nathan Milstein, Yehudi Menuhin, Itzakh
Perlman, Pinchas Zukerman, Leonid Kogan,... we have a compendium of all
who mattered in 150+ years of violin.
And these are the few I can come up with quickly. A lenghtier search
through my memory and record collection would bring many more.
Not to forget Artur Rubinstein, Artur Schnabel, Murray Perahia, Vladimir
Horowitz,.... at the piano
Playing the music of Mendelssohn, Mahler, Offenbach, Meyerbeer, Halevy,
Bernstein, Gershwin, Irving Berlin, Richard Rodgers, Alan Jay Lerner....

Surely, jews have failings like everybody else, but when it comes to the
finer arts, methink their lead is quite astounding, and something I
applaud since such great talent has always given me great pleasure.
<snip long list of names>
---------------

Even Serwad got me to argue his anti-semitism. Not that I had much hopes
of changing his mind on the subject, but hey! hope springs eternal!! ;-)

----------
De : Calife - afficher le profil
Date : Ven 20 jan 2006 12:58
E-mail : Calife <u...@user.net>
Groupes : soc.culture.jewish, soc.culture.israel, soc.culture.usa,
soc.culture.russian, soc.culture.egyptian

serwad wrote:
> "Calife" <u...@user.net> wrote in message

>> Ah Serwad, must you demean and belittle a fine Chomsky interview
with this
>> Protocol nonsense?
>> Surely you know the Protocol of Zion (or whatever is the full title) is
>> one big piece of jive shit!!
>> Come on, Man....
> tHAT IS YOUR OPINION YOU ARE STUCK WITH IT. jUST EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THE
> jEWISH COMMISSARS SLAUGHTERED EVERY PERSON FOUND POSSESSING PROTOCOLS?

No idea. Didn't even know it happened.

But the fakery of the Protocols is well established (don't ask me how
and by whom! :-) )!

I am not jewish, am very anti-zionist, and I draw a thick separation
line between Jewishness and Zionism. Even though it may look that way,
the two are not interchangeable.

De : Calife - afficher le profil
Date : Ven 20 jan 2006 13:03
E-mail : Calife <u...@user.net>
Groupes : soc.culture.jewish, soc.culture.israel, soc.culture.usa,
soc.culture.russian, soc.culture.egyptian

serwad wrote:
> I wonder what makes these troublesome "insurgents" so disagreeable?
Why on
> Earth would they resist having the most extreme corporate globalization
> policies forced down their throats? Why would they resist the
privatization
> of public services or the investment rules of the IMF and the WTO, or
> "production sharing agreements" with the Mega-oil folks? Why should they
> resist having their economy and their natural resources under foreign
> control, along with public services, banking, taxes, agriculture and
> investment? Why would they resist policies that make it a crime for Iraqi
> farmers to plant their own seeds instead of seeds purchased from
> Mega-agribusiness, policies that South Korean farmers protest by
commiting
> suicide? What's the problem with 100% foreign ownership of state-owned
> entities?

> Perhaps the tons of depleted uranium(radioactive waste) covered
shells and
> weapons we have dropped on Iraq could be the answer. Maybe the
"insurgents"
> are inhaling the radioactive dust these weapons leave behind and the
> toxicity of their brains affects their thinking? The toxic clouds
certainly
> do allow for some very hideously deformed newborn Iraqi babies to
enter the
> world. Perhaps it has other effects on the "liberated" population.

Hey, I like it when you drop the caps, eschews the bullshit racist
anti-semitism, and come up with lucid points as above.
Keep it up, and please stop the racist crap!! :-) :-)
Stick with politics...!
-------------

On and on I have always denounced racism and antisemitism. Not to score
tactical points in an argument, but because that's what I believe in!
Can you dig that???

>> Amerika free of jew-haters and anti-semite!!!???!!!!
>> And you're the one laughing...!!!!!
>> You are a beaut!!!!!!!
>
> I never said America was free of Jew hatred, hell we are not free of a lot
> of our hatreds, but we are eons ahead of you shitty Europeans. Now why don't
> you go and throw a banana at a black soccer player. ROFLMAO!!!

AGAIN, DoD generalizes his quaint image of Europeans.
I guess from his trailer stoop out on the west coast somewhere, Europe
looks like one big person in one big country, all the same and all
spitting images of the cliches on Fox and CNN!
Racism in soccer is mostly in Latin/south European countries: Italy with
Lazio and Inter and more recently AS Roma. Spain with Real Zaragoza and
even Real Madrid with 34 thousand card carrying "socios" with strong
neo-nazi leanings and salutes.
Paris SG's racist fans, those meeting in the Boulogne Kop, are small
beer compared to Real and Lazio. OGC Nice is more and more racist these
days, and so is RC Strasbourg. But French anti-racism laws help put a
damper on the more extreme aspects. Hertha Berlin, Feyenoord Rotterdam,
Chelsea FC, are other Euro clubs tainted with racism through their
fans' behavior.

This is a post of mine to that drooling scumbag Antimulticulture recently:
-----------------
Antimulticulture wrote:

> [ed. If teams are arbitarily disadvantaged off the playing field for some
> perceived "racism", especially at a crucial point in the season, all
> Sepp Blather will end up doing is turning the game into a farce - all
> because he wanted to score cheap political points...]

There is nothing "perceived" about this. Monkey sounds, racist epithets,
and the like are common occurrences at matches in Spain, Italy, England
and some French cities.
If teams cannot/will not control their yobs, fuck 'em. Let them lose
points, standings and the all-important TV revenues.
That'll make them stand up and take notice.

> [ed. They should just make the game like Tennis or Golf where the
crowd has to stay silent for fear of "offending" over-sensitive,
over-paid black players...]

You ignorant idiot, silence at tennis and golf as to do with player
concentration, whether he/she is white, black or green!!!

> The issue was highlighted once again at a recent Primera Liga game in
Spain
> when Barcelona striker Samuel Eto'o was the subject of heavy abuse at
Real
> Zaragoza.
>
> The Cameroon international had to be persuaded by the referee and
team-mates not to walk off the pitch.
>
> [ed. Why, he isn't THAT good...]

Eto'o is only one of the top 5 best players in the world today. Another
item in the long list of your ignorance and racism....
It probably hurts you real bad to see continental teams with superb
black players (think Ronaldinho with Barca along with Eto'o) who can and
do kick honkey limey teams out of the Champions League at the 8th/finals
level! Ouch...!!!! :-D :-D
Think about it: even the great Drogba wasn't enough to save Chelsea from
elimination. Even with good black players, limey teams still can't cut
it. :-D :-D
----------------

Well, now that your "vision" of my anti-semitism and racism has been put
to rest, let's see what gem you can come up with next??
:-D :-D

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 7:29 am
From: "jgarbuz"

Calife wrote:
> BernardZ wrote:
> > In article <MsRWf.15204$g6.11008@bignews8.bellsouth.net>,
> > serwad@bellsouth.net says...
> >> Look at Palestine. Horror/chaos destabilizes people and it
> >> takes generations to restabilize and build back a civilization.

> >
> > Actually this is a true statement. When Israel ruled the region it was
> > claim and one of the fastest growing economy in the world.
> > Now look at what replaced it.
> >
> > http://www.gamla.org.il/english/feature/lynch2a.htm

> > As a Muslim don't you feel ashamed Alex at what has been created.
>
> You're right of course! US built cluster bombs and assorted hi-tech weaponry used by Israel<

Jewish industry in Palestine in WWII was already building many things
used by the
British in WWII. An Israeli invented the Uzi. By 1947, over 80% of
Palestine's GNP
was due to Jewish enterprise, even when Jews were only 1/3rd of the
population.
Israel today designs and often manufactures many hi-tech weaponry used
by the
United States military! The nonsensical idea that Israel is totally
dependent on US arms
supplies is ridiculous. Israel can produce everything indigenously, but
only buys US
arms when it gets $2 billion in aid to pay for it as well. If it didn't
get the US aid, it would
produce virtually everything "in house."

> are
> far more efficient and way more discrete in extermination than the
> knives and other "weapons" allowed the Palestinians.<

I also see many AK-47s and RPGs as well as "knives" and daggers. I
don't understand
why Israel doesn't shoot or bomb everyone it sees carrying one of those
things. After
all. "Palestine" is occupied territory taken in the Six Day War and I
cannot understand
why Israel still allows such weapons to be brandished openly!

> Israeli quality killings performed far from the "free press", and
> thereby affording BernardZ the comfort of guiltless eye aversion, are a
> fine example of Israeli talents at turning the victim into perpetrator,
> and vice-versa!
> Bravo!<

The Jordanian army attacked ISrael in 1967, and Israel counterattacked
and captured
the Jordanian territories now called "Palestine" again. Most
"Palestinians" held Jordanian
passports at that time. Since Jordan gave up any claim over
"Palestine" Israel has
been seeking a "peace partner" it can seriously negotiate with to offer
the "Palestinians"
autonomy and near independence provided they genuinely recognized
Israel's right to
exist and negotiated in good faith, in a sincere and serious way. But
finding such
Palestinians is like seeking the HOly Grail. None of them are serious
about recognizing
the right of the Jewish state to exist, and so Israel will never permit
yet another vehemently Arab enemy state to be permitted to arise down
the block.

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TOPIC: El deterioro del poder parece indetenible.Hay signos de alarma.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/68607aac87e1154a
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:05 am
From: "PM"

La dinámica de los tiempos / Comentario de Juan Carlos Zapata

El deterioro del poder parece indetenible.
Hay signos de alarma.
descifrado@descifrado.com

[30-03-2006 3:00 pm] Como no hay partidos, hay grupos, y en los grupos
dominan unos subgrupos. Con los subgrupos la situación es casi
incontrolable. No hay jefes que pacten, no hay líderes que sostengan un
acuerdo. Esa falta de liderazgo se transforma en un problema, se sale de
control, hasta el punto de que en los grupos aparecen aquéllos aplicando los
métodos de la mafia.

El caso de Filippo Sindoni es una de las señales que faltaba. ¿Fue venganza?
Si es venganza, el país ha entrado en una escalada en la que las diferencias
van a dirimirse por la vía del revólver. Eso por una parte. Por la otra, el
fiscal general acaba de confirmar que hubo anoche un atentado contra el
magistrado Marco Tulio Dugarte. Y anoche mismo se registró un tiroteo en
Chacao en el que resultó muerto el escolta del alcalde Leopoldo López. ¿De
qué se trata? ¿De una escalada?

Estos síntomas se sienten desde hace años en la frontera. El sicariato es la
forma más directa de ajuste de cuentas. Y ocurre entre bandas de
delincuentes; ocurre entre el crimen organizado; ocurre entre factores
políticos y entre factores económicos. ¿Fue Filippo Sindoni víctima de una
acción de esa naturaleza? El Gobierno no descarta ninguna hipótesis. ¿Y por
qué? Por el signo de los tiempos. Por el deterioro y la dinámica que se está
imponiendo en el país. Aquí se mezclan varias señales:

1.-Antes había partidos, y el poder tenía sus vías de discusión para
resolver problemas. Hoy no hay partidos, ni de Gobierno siquiera; la lucha
es de grupos. Y de grupos disputándose un botín. Los que hoy están en el
poder creían que los corruptos de AD y Copei cargaban en sacos los dineros
públicos, y en tantos discursos pronunciados lo hicieron creer a buena parte
de la población y han llegado a creérselo ellos mismos. Y como están
convencidos del saqueo del pasado, muchos de los actores del presente se
sienten en la obligación de saquear también, de cargar en sacos los recursos
públicos. De allí toda la guerra intestina. No hay guerra ideológica. No hay
guerra política. No hay guerra siquiera por el control de la maquinaria
partidista. Hay guerra por los negocios, por el botín. Es la guerra interna
del MVR. Y es la guerra del MVR contra los demás partidos aliados. Ni
militares ni civiles están al margen de la disputa.

2.-Como hay grupos y subgrupos se recurre en muchos casos -y cada vez más- a
los métodos comunes de la mafia. Por ejemplo, antes los traficantes de
dinero, los encargados de las colocaciones de los dineros públicos en los
bancos, eran personajes identificados, conocidos, con reglas claras de
juego, y eran pocos. Hoy, son muchos y variados, que responden a distintos
intereses y cada quien aplica sus propios métodos que pueden ir desde no
cumplir con la palabra empeñada hasta el chantaje y la amenaza policial o
criminal. Hace poco, un banco tuvo que buscar un experto policial para
quitarse de encima no a uno sino a varios grupos que amenazaban con afectar
la estabilidad de esa institución. Esos grupos poseen oficinas en lujosos
edificios de Caracas.

3.-Como el Gobierno parece una competencia entre ineptos, entonces los
ubicados en posición de mando apuran el paso para repartirse los contratos,
para desviar los fondos, para ayudar a la familia, a los amigos, para
guardarse los recursos, para abrir cuentas en el exterior. Pero claro, cada
quien habla y se rasga las vestiduras por la salud moral de la patria, para
que el pueblo siga engañado con el cuento de la Revolución. Sin embargo, los
contratistas, los traficantes de dinero, los expertos en cómo hacer negocios
desde el poder, se mezclan con factores de inteligencia y policiales, con
elementos cuya cultura es la presión, el chantaje y hasta el crimen. Así, se
constituyen en redes, en tribus de "enanos", mandados por una "donna" o por
un jefe civil o militar. El partido queda en segundo plano. El Gobierno en
tercer plano. El país en último plano.

4.-Mientras tanto, la lucha interna es a muerte. Los pocos líderes no pueden
controlar la dinámica de la corrupción y lo que el reparto y la disputa del
botín originan en cuanto a medidas y a métodos. Los mismos actores no
duermen tranquilos; sienten que son grabados, que son seguidos, que hay
conspiraciones en marcha para desplazarlos de una gobernación, una alcaldía,
un ministerio o un negocio. Cuando la paranoia llega a tales extremos, se
pierden los controles y se desatan los grupos. Entonces, el juego entra en
otra dinámica, y de ahí el temor desatado. Nadie que esté en el poder ahora
duerme tranquilo.
----0----
ALGO QUE CIRCULA EN INTERNET

1) LA DONNA : ANA AVALOS DE RANGEL, CABECILLA DE TRAFICO DE ARMAS
DESDE HACE 40 AÑOS. EX-PROSTITUTA EN CHILE, SEDUJO A JOSE VICENTE
RANGEL QUIEN TODAVIA SUCUMBE ANTE EL PODER DE LA DONNA. ANITA. COMO LE
DICEN SUS INTIMOS, POSEE UNA FORTUNA INCALCULABLE EN BANCOS DE CHINA Y
ESTADOS UNIDOS. ES LA CHAMBERLAIN DEL GOBIERNO ENTRE LAS SEDES
DIPLÓMATICAS. MANEJA DIRECTAMENTE LOS NEGOCIOS DE JOSE VICENTE. ESTÁ
VINCULADA CON LAS DENUNCIAS DE ALVARAY, PORQUE EL HIJO PAPI-PAPI QUISO
ENTRAR EN EL GUISO DEL TSJ, Y LA FALTA DE FINEZA PARA EL DELITO DE
CUELLO BLANCO ( DONDE SU MAMA, LA DONNA ES LA MAXIMA AUTORIDAD ) HIZO
DELATAR EL PROCESO. LA VICE-FIRST LADY - ASI LA LLAMA ROLAND CARREÑO-
ES LA CABECILLA DE LOS NEGOCIOS DE LOS FUSILES RUSOS, LOS HELICOPTEROS
Y LOS RADARES. ESTA EN LA RE-NEGOCIACIÓN DE LAS FRAGATAS MISILÍSTICAS
Y LOS PATRULLEROS ESPAÑOLES. ES LA MUJER MÁS CORRUPTA DE VENEZUELA, A
SU LADO, BLANCA IBAÑEZ ES UNA POBRE AMATEUR.

2) LOS ENANOS : Es la BANDA DE ABOGADOS que reportan a JOSE VICENTE
RANGEL Y JESSICA CHACÓN. Son los que extorsionaban en nombre de DANILO
ANDERSON a los firmantes del Decreto Carmona y todos los casos
políticos. ANDERSON estaba dispuesto a hablar y salirle al paso a la
maraña que le estaba quitando más del 50% de la tajada que cobra esta
mafia. Por eso lo mataron. Está involucrado ISAIAS RODRIGUEZ y
personeros de la DISIP. El terror existe porque todavía no saben como
salir de el enredo que se les armó con el asesinato del Fiscal
Estrella.

3) ARNÉ STEVENSON CHACON : Hermano de Jessica. Nombres imperiales
típicos de los mas monos de los barrios de Caracas. En menos de 5 años
pasó de enchancletado pelabola de Curz Verde, en las Residencias
Moncruz, a oligarca y billonario, dueño de BANCOS, compró la empresa
PARMALAT por más de 15 millones de dólares, y es el propietario de la
escuadra de Caballos Arabes más costosa de la historia de la hípica en
Venezuela. Es el que lleva todos los negocios de la Jessica, desde que
extorsionaba a los medios del interior para adjudicar con FOGADE las
estaciones de Radio y las licencias de CONATEL, cuando era llave con
DIOSADO CABELLO, el hombre más rico del régimen.

--
WINSTON CHURCHILL DIJO:
El socialismo es la filosofía del fracaso, el credo a la ignorancia,
y la prédica a la envidia.
Su virtud inherente es la distribución igualitaria de la miseria.
El ejemplo mas convincente: La Cuba del 2006

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TOPIC: How man Bush cabinet members does it take to change a light bulb?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f028a98281fc7552
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 7:31 am
From: "Kevin"

How many members of the Bush administration does it take to
change a light bulb?

1. One to deny that a light bulb needs to be changed;

2. One to attack the patriotism of anyone who says the
light bulb needs to be changed;

3. One to blame Clinton for burning out the light bulb;

4. One to arrange the invasion of a country rumored to have
a secret stockpile of light bulbs;

5. One to give a billion dollar no-bid contract to
Halliburton for the new light bulb;

6. One to arrange a photograph of Bush, dressed as a
janitor, standing on a step ladder under the banner: Light Bulb
Change Accomplished;

7. One administration insider to resign and write a book
documenting in detail how Bush was literally in the dark;

8. One to viciously smear #7;

9. One surrogate to campaign on TV and at rallies on how
George Bush has had a strong light-bulb-changing policy all
along;

10. And finally one to confuse Americans about the
difference between screwing a light bulb and screwing the country.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:33 am
From: "ggg"

HAD ENOUGH ???????

ALLEN STEALS FROM TARGET STORES - REPUBLICAN
ABRAMOFF STEALS FROM CLIENTS - REPUBLICAN
CUNNINGHAM (THE OTHER MAFIA DON) - REPUBLICAN
DELAY INDICTED - REPUBLICAN
LIBBY INDICTED - REPUBLICAN
KENNY ENRON BOY ROTTING IN JAIL - REPUBLICAN DONOR
RETARD OHIO "COIN" REPUBLICAN - INVESTIGATED OR INDICTED ALREADY?
HARRIS FLORIDA - ILLEGAL MONEY
REPUBLICAN CLOWN IN NY DREAMS OF RUNNING AGAINST HILLARY

BUSH SAYING NOW THAT FUTURE PRESIDENTS WILL DECIDE ON IRAQ WAR!!! AND THAT
IT'S SADDAM'S FAULT FOR INSURGENCY NOW IN IRAQ!

REPUBLICAN HISTORIC RECORD DEFICIT

DICK SHOOTING A REPUG AND MAKING HIM APOLOGIZE IN PUBLIC FOR ANY
INCONVENIENCE!!!

HAD ENOUGH ???????

"Kevin" <kevprice1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1143819096.807768.308370@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> How many members of the Bush administration does it take to
> change a light bulb?
>
> 1. One to deny that a light bulb needs to be changed;
>
> 2. One to attack the patriotism of anyone who says the
> light bulb needs to be changed;
>
> 3. One to blame Clinton for burning out the light bulb;
>
> 4. One to arrange the invasion of a country rumored to have
> a secret stockpile of light bulbs;
>
> 5. One to give a billion dollar no-bid contract to
> Halliburton for the new light bulb;
>
> 6. One to arrange a photograph of Bush, dressed as a
> janitor, standing on a step ladder under the banner: Light Bulb
> Change Accomplished;
>
> 7. One administration insider to resign and write a book
> documenting in detail how Bush was literally in the dark;
>
> 8. One to viciously smear #7;
>
> 9. One surrogate to campaign on TV and at rallies on how
> George Bush has had a strong light-bulb-changing policy all
> along;
>
> 10. And finally one to confuse Americans about the
> difference between screwing a light bulb and screwing the country.
>

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TOPIC: Venezuela , Cadena Global ,noticias
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/fe4dffadb3e53669
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:16 am
From: "PM"

Titulares Cadena Global

Nacionales

-Cardenal Urosa recibido con honores por presidente Chávez

-GN allana sede de la Disip en Táchira

-Chávez ''El diálogo debe ser nuestra opción irrenunciable''

-Fedecámaras rechaza acciones de secuestro en el país

-Maduro: Velásquez Alvaray es un hito en lucha anticorrupción

-Presidente de la Dirección de Magistratura sufre atentado

Economía

-Colombia reitera que firma de TLC beneficia a la CAN

-Seniat ha recaudado 905 millardos de bolívares por el ISLR

-Desempleo Uruguay sube a 12,9% entre noviembre- enero

-Cantv muestra sostenida alza telefonía móvil

-Bolsa de Caracas sube 3% impulsada por La Electricidad

-Argentina cierra febrero con superávit de 706 millones

-Brasilia negocia tener primer parque Disneylandia

-FMI acoge palabras del nuevo ministro de Brasil

-Crecimiento Brasil y México impulsará a toda la región

-Alav complacida por aplazamiento en suspensión vuelos

Empresas y Negocios

-Kraft Foods Venezuela lanza Tang Tea

-Grupo Farma: 65 años Uniendo Vida y Salud

Petróleo

-Chávez: Enterramos la Apertura Petrolera

-Barril crudo OPEP supera los 60 dólares

-Petróleo sobre 67 dólares tras rechazo de Irán a la ONU

Internacionales

-66 muertos y más de 1.200 heridos por terremotos en Irán

-Prevén miles de fieles en primer aniversario Juan Pablo II

-Rodríguez Zapatero y Merkel se reunirán el los próximos días

-Aprueban ley de radio y televisión en México

-Ejercito israelí suspende todos los contactos con la ANP

-Al menos 44 muertos tras hundirse barco en Bahrein

-Humala rechaza pedido de Toledo de retirar candidato

-CIDH sesionará en Argentina

-Países Andinos acuerdan plan conjunto contra gripe aviar

-Roma prepara conmemoración a Juan Pablo II

-Suspenden operaciones en dos aeropuertos bolivianos

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TOPIC: Goodbye Europe
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/45e5b9700b1e9ac3
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 5:34 pm
From: Calife

Daniel Bernard wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:52:53 +0200, Calife <user@user.net> wrote:
>
> <snipped>
>> Complaining about American "culture" is a given in France,
>
> Probably because American culture is pretty much now limited to
> silicone breasts, drive-by shootings and crack cocaine.

A little bit reductive, but difficult to argue...!!! :-) ;-)

>>> more cries of "Sarkozy fascist" (it's even
>>>> subtitled for DoD and assorted limited understanding types), and
>>>> "Sarkozy enculé" (literally "Sarkozy fucked-up the ass", in fact
>>>> equivalent to "Sarkozy asshole").

>>> I re watched it and just like marybonita said, I could have sworn I heard
>>> .....'Sarkozy, Sale Juif!
>>
>> Don't swear, it's unbecoming!
>
> He is from Kansas. WTF does he know about comportment?

Geez, Kansas!! And I thought he might be from further west, what with
usually coming on here when I leave work around 6pm CET.
Isn't Kansas the only state to have imposed ID/creationism in its public
schools?
Merci Daniel, DoD's "burden" becomes clearer by the minute!!!

>
>> Especially when you don't know what you're talking about! Or are you
>> pretending bilingualism? You speak French now??? You're taking lessons
>> with "Marybonita"?? :-D
>> The kids are CLEARLY yelling "Sarkozy fasciste", which he nearly is,
>
> Nearly?
> http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=370748

Il fait du racolage pour raison électoral.
Quoiqu'il soit possible qu'il est viré sa cutie et croit à ce qu'il dit
pour de vrai.
A propos, si tu parles bien français (tu l'es?), télécharge un MP3 qui
s'appelle "Sarko Skanking". Une superbe manipulation des paroles de
Sarko sur plusieurs sujets! Super!! :-)

Sorry DoD for tawkin' f'reign here and losin' ya big time!!! ;-)

>
>> and
>> not "sale juif" which he is not.
>
> Obviously DoD could not understand the subtitles but hey, why spoil
> his fantasies?
>
>> So, for your own sake, enter that information, file it, and don't spout
>> ignorant bullshit anymore than you have to!
>>
> Like the idiot can help it.

:-D :-D
Merci Daniel!!!!!

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TOPIC: Rabbi orders maiming of dolls
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/992f33a32033d4a
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 7:39 am
From: "Ya salama"

Tilly wrote:
> AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Judaism is such a primitive cult, I'm surprise anyone would follow
> > such obvious nut cases..
>
>
> ...and do you think Islam is a primitive cult,
HE IS NOT TALKING ABOUT ISLAM ARSEHOLE, HE IS TALKING ABOUT ZIONAZIS

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TOPIC: Hizb removed constitution from website after humiliating debate
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d1d169c6b531b38a
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 7:42 am
From: "Richard Dell"

Their constitution was used by Sunny from Pickled Politics to verbally
eviscerate HuT's Dr. Nazreen Nawaz - whose cognitive dissonance came
into full view. HuT have a real problem - how to seem to be nice guys
when you have a nasty agenda. HuT's solution? Hide their nasty agenda.
Unfortunately for them, the Web does not forget.

Full report fromHarry's place.
http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/archives/2006/03/30/the_ultimate_in_hizb_ut_tahrir_airbrushing.php

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 7:53 am
From: "Count 1"

"Richard Dell" <rfdell@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143819737.127417.159660@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Their constitution was used by Sunny from Pickled Politics to verbally
> eviscerate HuT's Dr. Nazreen Nawaz - whose cognitive dissonance came
> into full view. HuT have a real problem - how to seem to be nice guys
> when you have a nasty agenda. HuT's solution? Hide their nasty agenda.
> Unfortunately for them, the Web does not forget.
>
> Full report fromHarry's place.
>
http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/archives/2006/03/30/the_ultimate_in_hizb_ut_tahrir_airbrushing.php

Good find Mr. Dell. I've been able to get a couple of the mouthpieces of HuT
to reply to some of my emails. The twists and turns they engage in to
explain how slavery isn't really slavery and how denying fundamental rights
is really supporting them is always fun to watch.

I'm gonna look for a web link to the PTV debate.

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TOPIC: REAL conservatives need to speak up!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9c8a065dd2a7418e
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 7:46 am
From: "Kevin"

You sound like an honest and honorable man to me.

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TOPIC: My Recent Trip to London
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a49283aa39753c71
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 8:03 am
From: "harmony"

pakistani is national language of britain. mrs. doubtfire says that too.

"Nusrat" <rizvioct@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:lt3q22p79gpm241iee6a4id2ag1qp3kc28@4ax.com...
> On 31 Mar 2006 00:04:32 -0800, "Max Muir"
> <orb_at_cts_dot_com@fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Neil Boss wrote:
> >> It would be good if you set an example and moved back to the mother or
> >> father country back in Europe.
> >
> >When are you moving back to Pakistan?
>
> Moving back to Pakistan?
> Most would consider this a sentence of death.
> What has this poor man ever done for you to wish him such a fate.
> BTW, I couldn't help but notice your post about Islam where you
> finally stood up against this perversion, a far cry from what you
> believed back in 1989.

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