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* Pakistan: Terror Workshop of the World - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/91c948fc45a53c60
* gun owners and nra proven wrong - again - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/113cc170f0e4312a
* The Islamization of America - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e09bb80be0ac7edb
* No place to go - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/28a9f8e6065c330f
* Who would win an all-out fight between Christianity and Islam? - 4 messages,
4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/33dae19b5b171eb4
* ? When Did The World Learn About The Holocaust ? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c33218197a5bac0d
* India before 17th century ? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/55920ed6ce5f056b
* Sad story on brown Canuck... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f0f482f1cf94ca76
* Gun loon shoots, kills kid for walking on grass - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/571681d234d29371
* US Iranian nuke policy - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a9e565fd934396ad
* A New Take on the Ancient Concept of Self-Knowledge - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9a0b683c220c634f
* USA votes AGAINST human rights council - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a5dd7ab02b35db01
* "Welcome to Maywood, Where Roads Open Up for Immigrants" - LA Times - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6f47d246d8eb150f
* YET ANOTHER COWARD ACT BY BUSH - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/8445cd5cbe575678
* Racism still rife in US, says China - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d9b7345c735cc004
* ANOTHER US war Crime.. In cold blood... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2f8fc6c826a82cba
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TOPIC: Pakistan: Terror Workshop of the World
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/91c948fc45a53c60
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 5:41 pm
From: visualseeplus@yahoo.com
N A H wrote:
> On 21 Mar 2006 16:26:32 -0800, "naureen101@aol.com" <naureen101@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >Pakistan is the most progressive muslim country.
>
> ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the woman is obviously crazy.
the only thing pakistan has progressed in is exporting terrorism.
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TOPIC: gun owners and nra proven wrong - again
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/113cc170f0e4312a
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 22 2006 1:44 am
From: "Morton Davis"
<editor@netpath.net> wrote in message
news:1142990640.607096.285820@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> Harmony wrote:
> >gn (gun nuts = gun owners + nra) have always argued that >gun criminals
have a long history of non-gun based criminal->violence record. we all know
that
> >to be a bumptious nonsense repeated ad infinitum
>
> Bull. If your claim that "average" people did murders just because
> they had guns came even close to being true, federal (in)Justice Dept.
> statistics wouldn't show murder in America so ghettoized to the black
> ghetto that black Americans commit murder at EIGHT times the rate
> European-Americans do - and black Americans die of murder at FIVE times
> the rate European-Americans do. The only way for murder in America to
> be so largely confined to a racial group of under 12% of the population
> is for murder really to be something "typical" Americans just don't do!
>
>
Federal statistics also show thatr gun owners commit fewer crimes per capita
than police officers and that children who have guns are less likely to get
into trouble with the law than children in households without guns. Federal
statistics also show trhat although gun ownership in America is at an all
time high, crime is at a 30 year low and murder is at a 40 year low. Which
means harmony is just plain full of shit. Best to killfile harmony and leave
IT to talk to itself.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 22 2006 2:09 am
From: "Þ=>+:T=N=T:+<=Þ"
Good points MD.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 22 2006 2:12 am
From: "Morton Davis"
"Þ=>+:T=N=T:+<=Þ" <LPioser@lopi.byr> wrote in message
news:5l2Uf.62148$dW3.27155@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
> Good points MD.
>
>
What are they? Or are you afraid to quote the message you replied to?
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TOPIC: The Islamization of America
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e09bb80be0ac7edb
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 8:47 pm
From: "serwad"
"Pathfinder" <dmayer76@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:Wv1Uf.16017$S25.239@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> Muslems are loyal to Allah first...and America second. Christians are
> loyal to Christ first..and the USA second....are they not not capable of
> being Americans?
It would do you good to read the Holy Quran!
>
>
> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:pq1Uf.318$yn4.194@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
>> news:WQVTf.6493$a97.2200@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
>>> As Americans, we have a long and legendary history of welcoming and
>>> assimilating immigrants. This includes granting political asylum to
>>> those in
>>> flight from political persecution. But, as Americans,
>>
>> jews who worship the phony state of israel cannot be Americans. Nor can
>> an ex Croatian ustasha be and American, unless he acts like an American
>> and supports the Constitution of United States which clearly recognizes
>> the premise that ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL!
>>
>
>
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 22 2006 2:08 am
From: "DoD"
"serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:%Z1Uf.1106$sU4.210@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Pathfinder" <dmayer76@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:Wv1Uf.16017$S25.239@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>> Muslems are loyal to Allah first...and America second. Christians are
>> loyal to Christ first..and the USA second....are they not not capable of
>> being Americans?
> It would do you good to read the Holy Quran!
Might as well. We already lost ......
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TOPIC: No place to go
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/28a9f8e6065c330f
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 5:51 pm
From: "Franklin Jefferson"
I expect people are saying, ok, another garden variety Bush-basher;
why doesn't he join the Democratic party?
The problem is that disliking Mr. Bush hasn't meant that I like the
liberal policies any better. My opinions and beliefs really haven't
changed; it is the Republicans that seem to be repudiating everything
that conservatism really means. The movement of the Republicans away
from libertarian principles and toward "big government conservatism"
(which is an oxymoron if I've ever heard one) has really left me with
nowhere to go, and I resent it. I resent the fact that conservatism
has been hijacked, and that politicians talk about defending liberty
while taking our freedom away and putting the machinery of dictatorship
in place.
I'm not about to turn into a liberal. I want my country back.
--
Franklin Jefferson
***My blog: Jefferson's Democracy***
http://franklinjefferson.blogspot.com/
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 7:27 pm
From: Joseph
On 21 Mar 2006 17:51:16 -0800, "Franklin Jefferson"
<franklinjefferson@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I expect people are saying, ok, another garden variety Bush-basher;
>why doesn't he join the Democratic party?
>
>The problem is that disliking Mr. Bush hasn't meant that I like the
>liberal policies any better. My opinions and beliefs really haven't
>changed; it is the Republicans that seem to be repudiating everything
>that conservatism really means. The movement of the Republicans away
>from libertarian principles and toward "big government conservatism"
>(which is an oxymoron if I've ever heard one) has really left me with
>nowhere to go, and I resent it. I resent the fact that conservatism
>has been hijacked, and that politicians talk about defending liberty
>while taking our freedom away and putting the machinery of dictatorship
>in place.
>
>I'm not about to turn into a liberal. I want my country back.
***Bottom line? Your nation has been hijacked and there is no amount
of voting (pro or con) that is going to change that reality.
"Republicans?" .... "Democrats?" .... There is not an once of
difference between the two anymore. It's all a big political con game.
now.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 6:48 pm
From: nospam
Franklin Jefferson wrote:
> My opinions and beliefs really haven't
> changed; it is the Republicans that seem to be repudiating everything
> that conservatism really means. The movement of the Republicans away
> from libertarian principles and toward "big government conservatism"
> (which is an oxymoron if I've ever heard one) has really left me with
> nowhere to go, and I resent it. I resent the fact that conservatism
> has been hijacked, and that politicians talk about defending liberty
> while taking our freedom away and putting the machinery of dictatorship
> in place.
The big problem is that the libertarian ideology of a small (I call it
impotent) government are actually wrong.
If you take away to much power from government that power it is going to be
hijacked by other entities. In modern times, the most likely are the
corporations. And here is where the real evil reside.
The first problem is the fact that power is like gravity. The biggest object
attract the smaller one and become bigger with an increased force will
attract others and so on. When the power is concentrated into a few number
of strongholds they will form (more likely underground, confidential) a
trust and rule at will in their own interest only.
The second problem is controll. People do have (at least some form of)
controll over government by democratic process. A corporation is a private
entity responsible only to shareholders and will do everything possible to
satisfy shareholders AT ANY EXPENSE for the rest of the society.
Combining them it is easy to reach the final conclusion:
A society where the government is not strong enough will degenerate into a
neo-feudalism. In such a society in the end the freedom of individual (so
much acclaimed by libertarians) are just going to vanish away, never to
come back unless a revolution take place. And revolutions do have their own
problems. In many cases they depart from original intent and can generate
regimes no better than the one they wanted to replace. This is the reason
revolutions are better to be avoided if possible, and nonviolent solutions
to be seek. The libertarian ideology, while attractive at first sight, it
is not fundamented at all is full of wholes and will do much worst if
applied. It will eat alive it own noble goals: the freedoms.
Short conclusion: Libertarian doctrina is just plain wrong !!!
It is broken, being based more on primitive beliefs and no much thinking.
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TOPIC: Who would win an all-out fight between Christianity and Islam?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/33dae19b5b171eb4
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 7:54 pm
From: z
"Kevin" <kevprice1@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1142984133.800318.242830
@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
> OK, sports fans, lemme hear your take on an all-out Christian verses
> Islam battle. Winner take all. Who would win, and why?
>
the trick would be to convince both groups to kill themselves and fight it
out in the afterlife. Then they'd leave the rest of us the fuck alone.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 6:12 pm
From: "Anonymous Infidel - The Koran Destroyer"
IOW's Christians are not Muslims and will lose, right?
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 22 2006 2:17 am
From: "Bernard Spilman"
"salad" <oil@vinegar.com> wrote in message
news:ql1Uf.8576$sL2.4320@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> Kevin wrote:
>
>> OK, sports fans, lemme hear your take on an all-out Christian verses
>> Islam battle. Winner take all. Who would win, and why?
>>
> Christians are the best potential killers in the world. They have
> developed the finest bombs, chemical agents, biological agents, and all of
> the other myriad ways of killing people. There is no doubt that if
> Christians were to "unChristianize" themselves for a bit and go on a
> rampage to kill mankind, they would succeed. Islam wouldn't stand a
> chance.
>
> Randy Wayne White summed it up in the book "Dead Of Night" when he wrote
> "In any conflict, the boundaries of behavior are defined by those who
> value morality least." If Christians were to forsake morality, we would
> define the war and depravity associated with it.
>
> That is why we had a difficult time in Vietnam and why we are having
> problems in Iraq. We haven't turned into the monsters that we are
> required to be in order to "win". We could combine the worst traits of
> Hitler, Pol Pot, and Attila the Hun, and other like minded people and we
> could rain death on this world unlike anything ever seen. Convincing the
> people in the US that those traits are necessary and desired is difficult.
> Too many of us love life and have grown up in freedom.
The
> fringe Christians may yearn for Armageddon and Rapture but they are the
> minority, fortunately.
They are also cowards who only make war when they
have surrogates to send. Surrogates, lacking their
psychotic bloodlust, would never make the kind of war
described, fortunately.
WS
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 6:20 pm
From: "Aardman"
"Anonymous Infidel - The Koran Destroyer" <messiah2999@yahoo.com> wrote in
message news:1142993535.285899.151640@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> IOW's Christians are not Muslims and will lose, right?
>
We will lose until it looks like the Muslims are really about to win
by being.. well.. Muslims.
Then we will elect someone like me (not me but someone like me you see)
Then the game is up for the Muslims. The problem is, once you have
built a machine that can kill 2 billion people in cold blood, how do
you get it to turn off once the initial job is completed?
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TOPIC: ? When Did The World Learn About The Holocaust ?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c33218197a5bac0d
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 8:48 pm
From: yp
Again a well documented post. As Benjamin Freedman said, Holocaust
became a big business for the Jews and they exploited it to the hilt.
But nothing can be done to correct this so long as the Jews control
the U.S. government. I still have a copy of an old Time magazine,
where Edgar Bronfman was bragging that he can get an appointment with
the President of the United States within 10 minutes, if he wanted.
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:32:56 GMT, "Jim" <jimm56@yahoo.com> wrote:
>http://iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Holocaust.html
>
>20 March 2006
>
>British, American, and Russian troops defeated Germany in 1945 and
>opened up the Nazi prison camps to release the prisoners.
>
>However, it took a while for the world to figure out what was going on
>inside those camps. Actually, the story of what happened during World
>War II is still changing.
>
>
>Eisenhower, Churchill, and de Gaulle did not know of the Holocaust?
>
>A French Professor, Robert Faurisson, claims to have read thousands of
>pages of memoirs of World War 2 from Eisenhower, Churchill, and de
>Gaulle, and there was not a single word about gas chambers:
>
>www.vho.org/aaargh/engl/FaurisArch/RF981020.html
>
>Why would those three leaders ignore such an incredibly large slaughter
>in their writings about the war?
>
>
>One of the reasons it is taking so long to understand what happened
>inside the Nazi camps is that many European nations have laws that
>prohibit investigations of the Holocaust.
>
>How do the Europeans expect to understand World War II when they
>have laws that prohibit investigations? The Europeans are fools to allow
>these laws.
>
>Americans have the freedom to investigate the Holocaust. Not
>surprisingly, our ideas on what happened at the Nazi camps change
>through time.
>
>
>Obviously historians reduced the number of deaths in half because they
>could not find evidence to support the figures provided by Rudolph Hoess
>during his trial. Was Hoess merely guessing? Or did he exaggerate his
>killings in order to make himself into the greatest murderer in human
>history? Or was he forced to make exaggerated claims?
>
>http://judicial-inc.biz/frank_collins.htm
>
>Please find the emotional strength to look at that page, and its links.
>We can disagree on details, but all adults should be capable of looking
>at this issue.
>
>There is only one way to resolve all of these disputes. Specifically,
>the European goyim must grow a backbone and get rid of the laws that
>prohibit investigations of the Holocaust.
>
>What is wrong with the European goyim? If you have goy friends or
>relatives in Europe, tell them to stop embarrassing us, and starting
>helping us!
>
>Most people's view of World War II, the Holocaust, and most other
>subjects comes from television, movies, books, magazines, and
>newspapers, all of which are dominated by Zionists. Goyim should not
>exist on a diet of Zionist propaganda. Get a difference of opinion!
>
>Also, please note that some Jews provide a different and very
>important perspective, such as David Cole:
>www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Cole.html
>
>And, of course, Benjamin Freedman:
>www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Freedman.html
>
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 6:45 pm
From: rdubose@pdq.net
Jim wrote:
> http://iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Holocaust.html
>
> 20 March 2006
>
> British, American, and Russian troops defeated Germany in 1945 and
> opened up the Nazi prison camps to release the prisoners.
>
> However, it took a while for the world to figure out what was going on
> inside those camps. Actually, the story of what happened during World
> War II is still changing.
>
>
> Eisenhower, Churchill, and de Gaulle did not know of the Holocaust?
News of the mass killig of Jews and others was made public
starting in late 1941. The apparent intention of the holocoast was read
to the British Parliament in open session.
The thing was, it sounded unbeleavable and there were no visual
images. So it did not soak in.
>
> A French Professor, Robert Faurisson, claims to have read thousands of
> pages of memoirs of World War 2 from Eisenhower, Churchill, and de
> Gaulle, and there was not a single word about gas chambers:
The gas chambers per se were a well kept secret at the time.
Churchill indeed wrote about it. FDR died too soon. De Gaule? who
cares.
>
> www.vho.org/aaargh/engl/FaurisArch/RF981020.html
>
> Why would those three leaders ignore such an incredibly large slaughter
> in their writings about the war?
Simply wrong. Churchill wrote plenty.
>
>
> One of the reasons it is taking so long to understand what happened
> inside the Nazi camps is that many European nations have laws that
> prohibit investigations of the Holocaust.
No investigations are prohibited.
>
> How do the Europeans expect to understand World War II when they
> have laws that prohibit investigations? The Europeans are fools to allow
> these laws.
>
> Americans have the freedom to investigate the Holocaust. Not
> surprisingly, our ideas on what happened at the Nazi camps change
> through time.
Only if someone is very uninformed to start with.
>
>
> Obviously historians reduced the number of deaths in half because they
> could not find evidence to support the figures provided by Rudolph Hoess
> during his trial. Was Hoess merely guessing? Or did he exaggerate his
> killings in order to make himself into the greatest murderer in human
> history? Or was he forced to make exaggerated claims?
Rudolph Hoess was in a British jail before the holocaust began in
earnest. Why his opinions should now be important is way beyond me.
Besides, the Germans kept records and that is what nailed them at
Nuremberg.
>
> http://judicial-inc.biz/frank_collins.htm
>
> Please find the emotional strength to look at that page, and its links.
> We can disagree on details, but all adults should be capable of looking
> at this issue.
>
> There is only one way to resolve all of these disputes. Specifically,
> the European goyim must grow a backbone and get rid of the laws that
> prohibit investigations of the Holocaust.
You are just making up this business of laws against inquiry.
>
> What is wrong with the European goyim? If you have goy friends or
> relatives in Europe, tell them to stop embarrassing us, and starting
> helping us!
>
> Most people's view of World War II, the Holocaust, and most other
> subjects comes from television, movies, books, magazines, and
> newspapers, all of which are dominated by Zionists. Goyim should not
> exist on a diet of Zionist propaganda. Get a difference of opinion!
Read Mein Kampf and then decide whether you think Hitler would
mandate better treatment for Polish and Russian Jews than for Polish
and (especially)Russian soldiers who hardly ever survived German
captivity.
>
> Also, please note that some Jews provide a different and very
> important perspective, such as David Cole:
> www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Cole.html
>
> And, of course, Benjamin Freedman:
> www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Freedman.html
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TOPIC: India before 17th century ?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/55920ed6ce5f056b
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 6:12 pm
From: "bobber"
Premji'a wealthy father passed away and he had to return back without
completing his education. Premji's father was a vegetable oil
wholesaler.
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TOPIC: Sad story on brown Canuck...
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f0f482f1cf94ca76
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 6:17 pm
From: visualseeplus@yahoo.com
Scorpy wrote:
> Here is the link...
>
> http://calsun.canoe.ca/Sports/OtherSports/2006/03/21/1498050-sun.html
>
> Regards, SCORP.
Sad indeed.
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TOPIC: Gun loon shoots, kills kid for walking on grass
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/571681d234d29371
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 6:23 pm
From: "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend"
Amy Likes Pot! wrote:
> "Laura Bush murdered her boy friend" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Alison MacIntyre wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > This kid and his friends had been harassing this guy for almost five
> > > years.
> >
> > So the killer says. If true, then i have some sympathy for him. People
> > should just leave other people alone, and these things wouldn't happen.
>
> This guy couldn't have done something (other than kill the kid) when the
> kid (supposedly) started harrassing him when he was 10?
I'm just saying this would have never happened if the stupid kid hadn't
harrassed the guy. The golden rule is - Leave people alone.
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TOPIC: US Iranian nuke policy
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a9e565fd934396ad
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 6:25 pm
From: "Lazarus Cain"
"Wrong clam breath. The reason for 9/11 was the US presence in Saudi
Arabia after Desert Storm". ....yes, that was certainly quite a
scholarly comeback..My ollege english teacher never approved of me
using insults and profanity to prove a point. It would depreciate the
value of my grade
Yeah right..The opinion of a rhode's scholar I see. I can tell by your
elopquent way of counterpointing an argument with irrefutable logic.
Your ignorance is appalling. crusader!
Everyone is quite aware of the dispute over control over Jerusalem and
how it has caused conflict for centuries.
To pretend Jerusalem is not the issue only prolongs the conflict.
Do you want to end your fucking war on terror?
Solve the Jerusalem pronlem and it will be over.
Sounds simple doesn;t it?
But that is all that needs to be done.
So next time.leave your name calling at home and address the real
problem.
And never think that silencing my voice makes the problem go away. The
problem exists quite independently of my noise.
Yet, your ignorance amuses me. lol...lol...
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TOPIC: A New Take on the Ancient Concept of Self-Knowledge
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9a0b683c220c634f
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 6:26 pm
From: "PlumBell"
"In Pushing Ultimates: Fundamentals of Authentic Self-knowledge, Lew
Paz draws upon many years of his personal spiritual, philosophical, and
metaphysical quest to understand human nature in general, and himself
in particular. Pushing Ultimates incorporates what Paz has discovered
through philosophy, science, psychology, theology, mysticism, the
history of religion, and the writings of such original thinkers and
scholars as Jung, Aurobindo, Heidegger, Einstein, Gödel, Gurdjieff and
others. Highly recommended reading, the 397-page text of Pushing
Ultimates (enhanced with several pages of chapter notes) is eminently
accessible for the non-specialist general reader seeking an in-depth,
sophisticated, erudite, sometimes iconoclastic approach to the
acquisition of genuine self- knowledge. Pushing Ultimates is "must"
reading for
dedicated students of philosophy, metaphysics, and those committed to
the seeking self-enlightenment in a clamoring and all-too-superficial
world."
James Cox / Editor in Chief / MidWest Book Review
"Reviewer's Choice" / March 2006
For more information, go to www.plumbell.com
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TOPIC: USA votes AGAINST human rights council
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a5dd7ab02b35db01
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 6:29 pm
From: "Drexl Spivey"
Might as well be....
Ok, I accept they's not in the class of Vivid or even Seymor Butts. I
only got two HD cameras (handheld) and we're in the beginning. But I
still sell some of that shit beanie, and I get better as I go.
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TOPIC: "Welcome to Maywood, Where Roads Open Up for Immigrants" - LA Times
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6f47d246d8eb150f
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Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 8:27 pm
From: "arminius"
"JP" <jp@private.nospam> wrote in message
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>
> From the Los Angeles Times
> Welcome to Maywood, Where Roads Open Up for Immigrants
>
> The mostly Latino city's council wants it to be a sanctuary. Some warn
about
> 'testing the limits.'
>
> By Hector Becerra
> Times Staff Writer
>
> March 21, 2006
>
> At a time when communities across the nation are considering efforts to
> crack down on illegal immigration, one small city south of downtown Los
> Angeles is charting a different course.
>
> In Maywood, where 96% of the residents are Latino, and more than half are
> foreign-born, the City Council has vowed to make the municipality a
> "sanctuary city" for illegal immigrants, and over the last few months it
has
> set out to prove it.
>
> First, the city eliminated the Police Department's traffic division after
> complaints that officers unfairly targeted illegal immigrants. Then it
made
> it much more difficult for police to tow cars whose owners didn't have
> driver's licenses, a practice that affected mostly undocumented people who
> could not obtain licenses.
>
> In January, the City Council passed a resolution opposing a proposed
federal
> law that would criminalize illegal immigration and make local police
> departments enforce immigration law. Now, some in the community are
pushing
> to rename one of the city's elementary schools after former Mexican
> President Benito Juarez and debating measures to improve the lives of
> illegal immigrants.
>
> Maywood leaders say they hope their actions will serve as a counterpoint
to
> other cities, such as Costa Mesa in Orange County, that have moved forward
> with crackdowns on illegal immigrants and groups like the Minutemen border
> patrols.
>
> "You just couldn't keep quiet. I think we needed to amplify the debate by
> saying that no human being is illegal," said Councilman Felipe Aguirre,
53.
> "These people are here . making your clothes, shining your shoes and
taking
> care of your kids. And now you want to develop this hypocritical policy?"
>
> But Maywood's actions have made the town a lightning rod for criticism on
> conservative radio shows and websites. On KFI's "John and Ken Show," the
> host blasted Mayor Thomas Martin for making the city a "magnet for illegal
> immigration."
>
> Even within the city, the stance is controversial. Longtime residents
> believe the City Council has gone too far and is embracing lawlessness.
They
> also question whether Maywood can handle more illegal immigrants.
>
> "I'm afraid we're testing the limits of the law, and that's dangerous,"
said
> longtime resident J. Luis Ceballos, 52. "I think there is a danger of
people
> thinking that they can do whatever they want."
>
> Maywood is an unlikely city to be a political trailblazer. With a
population
> pegged officially at about 29,000 - but actually closer to 45,000 when
> illegal residents are factored in, according to city officials - Maywood
is
> a compact 1.2 square miles of tightly packed homes and apartments, strip
> malls and mom-and-pop shops amid the factories and industrial businesses
> that dot southeast Los Angeles County.
>
> The city was developed in the 1920s and '30s as a working-class bedroom
> community for factory workers of L.A.'s industrial belt. But like the
> neighboring cities of Bell Gardens and Huntington Park, Maywood saw an
> influx of immigration as the area's factories began to close in the 1970s.
>
> The campaign for immigrant rights has its roots in a long-brewing
political
> divide between newer immigrants and older immigrants, who consider
> themselves more "Americanized," said Ceballos, who came to the United
States
> as an illegal immigrant from Jalisco, Mexico, 37 years ago and is a
longtime
> Maywood political observer.
>
> "Many people who came here a long time ago feel that they had to sacrifice
a
> lot more and do with a lot less than people who come to the country now,"
> Ceballos said.
>
> This discord was evident at a recent City Council meeting. On one side sat
a
> group of newer immigrants who addressed the council in Spanish. On the
other
> side sat a few of the city's longtime Anglo residents and Latinos who
spoke
> in English.
>
> At one point, when Anglo resident Kathleen Larsen spoke out angrily
against
> naming an elementary school after Juarez, the audience members sitting
> behind her applauded. Most of them were Latino, and many were immigrants.
>
> Then Oscar Corona stood up and asked why the person who usually translates
> the meeting into Spanish wasn't there. He accused Councilman Sam Peña of
> laughing at him and demanded that he speak to him in Spanish.
>
> "Speak to me in Spanish, please," the 44-year-old forklift operator said,
> his voice rising. "Speak to me in Spanish, Mr. Peña. You know how to speak
> it."
>
> Peña was part of the old guard who ran Maywood until last November's
> election swept in the pro-immigrant-rights slate. Now he is in a minority
of
> two on the five-member council.
>
> For years under the previous majority, the city's police set up sobriety
> checkpoints that began in the afternoon. But the roundups also nabbed many
> drivers who simply didn't have licenses, most of them illegal immigrants.
>
> The city had a 30-day car impound period, which resulted in large fines
for
> the immigrants. The city stopped the checkpoints amid complaints, but many
> illegal immigrants were still being stopped and having their cars
impounded
> because they had driven without licenses.
>
> In many cities that might have been seen as normal, even expected. But in
a
> city where so many residents were undocumented, the practice was
> controversial.
>
> Aguirre, who runs immigration service center Comite Pro-Uno, became a
major
> critic of the city. Activist groups and the St. Rose of Lima Church joined
> him in the fight.
>
> Together they led opposition to the towing, saying that the city's real
> motive was to raise money on the backs of its large illegal immigrant
> population.
>
> "People felt like they were being persecuted," said Father David Velazquez
> of St. Rose. "Hundreds of cars were being taken away."
>
> A coalition formed that essentially supported a slate of candidates,
> including Aguirre. They won in the November election, in which the city's
> treatment of immigrants was a major issue.
>
> "They said, 'Sam is anti-immigrant, he's not with our people,' " Peña
said.
> "My parents are immigrants.. So I sympathize."
>
> The election had a record turnout: more than 3,500 out of 5,800 registered
> voters.
>
> After taking office at the end of last year, the new council quickly
> dismantled the city's traffic department. They stopped towing. They
allowed
> people without driver's licenses - mostly undocumented workers - to get
> permits for overnight parking.
>
> The council also rescinded a law that prohibited residents from erecting
> shade canopies at their homes. The law, passed by the old council, was
seen
> as a slap at undocumented residents who used the canopies to create more
> usable living space.
>
> The actions have been met with cheers by some of the city's illegal
> immigrants.
>
> Martha Montiel lives with five family members in a two-bedroom dwelling
> after moving from Mexico three years ago. Her family members have twice
seen
> their cars impounded because they didn't have licenses. Once, they lost a
> car because a police officer pulled them over for having a large air
> freshener hanging in a window. Each time, it cost $1,800 to get the car
> back - a sum that took weeks to raise.
>
> Montiel is pleased that the city is trying to help illegal immigrants.
"It's
> good because people try to drive respectfully, even if they don't have
> licenses," Montiel said as she gathered jugs of water from a Maywood shop.
>
> Montiel, who works at a clothing factory, said she is so grateful for the
> City Council's action that she plans to put the freshener back in her car.
>
> But other residents are worried about the direction Maywood is taking -
and
> where it might end up.
>
> "If you don't have a driver's license, you shouldn't drive," said Enrique
> Curiel, 51, who has picketed against the church's involvement in the
matter.
>
> But Maywood's actions are being closely followed by others, including
> predominantly Latino immigrant communities. Several - including Pomona,
> Huntington Park and Bell Gardens - followed Maywood's lead by opposing a
> bill in Congress that would make it a crime for organizations or agencies
to
> assist illegal immigrants. Aguirre and the council majority vowed to defy
> the rules if they become federal law.
>
> "My hat's off to them," said Pomona Councilman Marcos Robles. "Maywood
took
> the lead, which was very progressive on their part."
>
> Aguirre knows the spotlight isn't about to move off his town.
>
> "I spoke at a meeting of the League of California Cities," he said. "And
> this is all anyone wanted to talk to me about. I guess it sort of had an
> impact."
>
>
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> Times staff writer Kelly-Anne Suarez contributed to this report.
>
> *
>
> (INFOBOX BELOW)
>
> Maywood profile
>
> (2005 estimates)
>
> Population: 29,201
>
> Median age: 26.4
>
> Population 25 and older with less than 9th grade education: 47%
>
> Median household income: $33,937
>
> **
>
> Ethnicity
>
> Latino: 97%
>
> White: 2%
>
> Other: 1%
>
> **
>
> Sources: Claritas, ESRI
>
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TOPIC: YET ANOTHER COWARD ACT BY BUSH
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Date: Wed, Mar 22 2006 2:35 am
From: "Randy M."
Bush: Troops to Stay in Iraq for Years
By TERENCE HUNT, AP White House Correspondent
WASHINGTON -
President Bush said Tuesday that American forces will remain in
Iraq for years and it will be up to a future president to decide when to
bring them all home. But defying critics and plunging polls, he declared,
"I'm optimistic we'll succeed. If not, I'd pull our troops out.
Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060321/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush;
_ylt=AhWTABW.5D59rQn5kKeYmSes0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--
_________
There we have it! Bush has no shame in showing the world what a coward he
is. Now Bush is dumping the mess he's created in Iraq on someone else. At
least he's consistent being the world most dangerous terrorist and a
miserable failure.
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TOPIC: Racism still rife in US, says China
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Date: Wed, Mar 22 2006 2:36 am
From: "Mr Wonderful"
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Right Leroy!
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>
>
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TOPIC: ANOTHER US war Crime.. In cold blood...
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Date: Wed, Mar 22 2006 2:41 am
From: "Phlip"
> http://www.time.com/time/world/printout/0,8816,1174649,00.html
How easy are we making this civil war for them? If I were a Shia (or Sunni),
I would just piss some US troops off, then lure them into a Sunni (or Shia)
neighborhood and watch them do my work for me.
But if the world press starts calling this a civil war, the rules of
engagement might change to make the US troops harder to lead around by the
nose. So the US government can't admit complicity in helping both sides of a
civil war, because that would require analysis of the rules of engagement
leading to attrocities. So the US government's cronies in the news system
keep the word "civil war" out of the news, and report all sectarian
engagements as "insurgent attacks on US troops".
What a perfect deadlock!
--
Phlip
http://www.greencheese.org/ZeekLand <-- NOT a blog!!!
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