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Today's topics:
* WHY NOT MEIN KAMPF? - 5 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/4cdc29e8f389b68c
* Greek FM called Turkey ""An Islamic government" - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/132aa56c2ee5a4e7
* No Israelis parasite please, Libya tells trekkers - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d2979539fe834fe3
* [Fwd: Gail Norton's parting Shot!] - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/fcab01d313ac37ed
* Babacan: EU will enter Turkey in a short time - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/99775a378ed9d314
* Left-wing New York Times .. COLLAPSING.. - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9da5e442fda0f274
* Turkey begged Afghan President to add PKK in their terrorist list! - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/61425e5194925d0e
* Would HE have sent his children to Iraq ? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b1618eba9409b05d
* SADISM, BRUTALITY OF TF-121, WORSE THAN GESTAPO! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/4b5edf558c894ae4
* HAMAS WILL NOT RECOGNIZE ISRAEL - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/da913de7b1259171
* WSJ: Why Not Liberate the American Worker - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/dff0702be9d23a69
* Justice at Last - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5dc969963a7c8f17
* Turkey and Greece Are Friends - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/53e8145db9439a00
* The Real Helen Thomas . . . - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/8997a8e6f690a7cb
* Disgusting - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/bb9068d238971d7b
* Bottled Water...ES&T Online News: Bottled antimony - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/55d8dbcafb124a8a
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TOPIC: WHY NOT MEIN KAMPF?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/4cdc29e8f389b68c
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 5:56 pm
From: "Al Nakba"
Yes, the like of you are still here.
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 6:01 pm
From: "Ariadne"
Jim E wrote:
> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:1VGUf.1029$P
>
> Because the author of that trite piece of crap was a proven nut case.
>
> Next stupid question.
>
>
>
> Jim E
And it's very weird. In England until we were
"multiculturalised" (and homegenised into even
more abysmal ignorance) in the 1980s the one
obligatory subject in the school curriculum was
RE - religious education!
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 2:03 am
From: "DoD"
"Ariadne" <ariadne.mac@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143165684.671466.248850@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>
> Jim E wrote:
>> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:1VGUf.1029$P
>>
>> Because the author of that trite piece of crap was a proven nut case.
>>
>> Next stupid question.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim E
>
> And it's very weird. In England until we were
> "multiculturalised" (and homegenised into even
> more abysmal ignorance) in the 1980s the one
> obligatory subject in the school curriculum was
> RE - religious education!
Really? How did that work?
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 6:07 pm
From: "Ariadne"
DoD wrote:
> "Ariadne" <ariadne.mac@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1143165684.671466.248850@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Jim E wrote:
> >> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:1VGUf.1029$P
> >>
> >> Because the author of that trite piece of crap was a proven nut case.
> >>
> >> Next stupid question.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jim E
> >
> > And it's very weird. In England until we were
> > "multiculturalised" (and homegenised into even
> > more abysmal ignorance) in the 1980s the one
> > obligatory subject in the school curriculum was
> > RE - religious education!
>
> Really? How did that work?
The law required there to be one period of RE each
week 30/35 minutes up to 50 or more mins depending
on how long a lesson lasted in each school. Anyone not
Christian could be excused.
Other subjects were taught of course but they were not
legislated for.
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 2:09 am
From: "DoD"
"Ariadne" <ariadne.mac@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143166070.938288.211280@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> DoD wrote:
>> "Ariadne" <ariadne.mac@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1143165684.671466.248850@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Jim E wrote:
>> >> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:1VGUf.1029$P
>> >>
>> >> Because the author of that trite piece of crap was a proven nut case.
>> >>
>> >> Next stupid question.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Jim E
>> >
>> > And it's very weird. In England until we were
>> > "multiculturalised" (and homegenised into even
>> > more abysmal ignorance) in the 1980s the one
>> > obligatory subject in the school curriculum was
>> > RE - religious education!
>>
>> Really? How did that work?
>
> The law required there to be one period of RE each
> week 30/35 minutes up to 50 or more mins depending
> on how long a lesson lasted in each school. Anyone not
> Christian could be excused.
>
> Other subjects were taught of course but they were not
> legislated for.
Ok... that makes sense. I was wondering how that worked if the person wasn't
a Christian. I suppose it would at minimally be annoying if one wasn't..
Heck it was annoying for me and I was one.
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TOPIC: Greek FM called Turkey ""An Islamic government"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/132aa56c2ee5a4e7
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 1:57 am
From: "Ali Asker"
Greek FM Bakoyannis: "An Islamic government like PM Erdogan's...."
Greek Foreign Minister Dora Bakoyannis has referred to the government led by
Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan as an "Islamic government." In a
statement made to the Associated Press (AP), Bakoyannis responded to a
question concerning the opening up of the Greek Orthodox theological school
on Turkish island of Heybeliada, saying "If Turkey allows this school to
open, a government like Erdogan's Islamic government will be giving a very
important message to the world about respect towards human and religious
freedoms.
I have explained this to Turkish people many times. Although I am very sad
that at the current juncture we are at, nothing seems to have happened on
this subject."
Bakoyannis referred to calls that have been made on Turkey by the EU
countries and the US to allow the Heybeliada seminary open, saying "One of
the important responsibilities Turkey has to the EU concerns human rights
and religious freedom. Turkey would begin to fulfill this responsibility by
allowing the Heybeliada Seminary to open."
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/4131454.asp?gid=74
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TOPIC: No Israelis parasite please, Libya tells trekkers
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d2979539fe834fe3
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 5:57 pm
From: "Al Nakba"
Khadaffy Schmuck needs another treatment..Allahu fubar, ya kalb!
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 2:01 am
From: kmcvay@shell.vex.net (Kenneth McVay OBC)
In article <_YFUf.10365$TK2.7374@trnddc07>,
Salah Jafar <codeman@hotmail.com> wrote:
>-=-=-=-=-=-
>
> No Israelis please, Libya tells trekkers
>
> By News Agencies
>
> An interfaith convoy crossing the Sahara to promote coexistence in the Middle East
>was halted yesterday when Libya refused it entry because it included Israelis.
>
> "Israel does not exist as a country, it is Palestine. We don't allow occupiers into
>our country," the Jerusalem Post quoted a Libyan official as telling nine members of the
>Breaking the Ice group as they tried to enter from Egypt.
I'm curious... does Libya also refuse entry to Jordanians? After all, they are
"occupiers" of the single largest piece of Palestine.
--
"All shit like you have is lies and smears. Shit like you
can't refute what I post so shit like you resort to cheap
personal attacks and you wonder why kike filth is hated so much!
(Scott Bradbury, Bellville's leading revisionist scholar)
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 6:19 pm
From: "Salah Jafar"
Ummak Elkalbee ya gwad.
SJ
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TOPIC: [Fwd: Gail Norton's parting Shot!]
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/fcab01d313ac37ed
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 7:58 pm
From: charlie <@verizon.net>
http://www.adn.com/news/politics/story/7558261p-7469761c.html
Road development policy sparks outcry
NORTON: Environmentalists say change opens parks to development.
By LIZ RUSKIN
Anchorage Daily News
Published: March 23, 2006
Last Modified: March 23, 2006 at 02:53 AM
WASHINGTON -- Interior Secretary Gale Norton has issued a new federal
land policy that environmentalists say will allow states and local
governments to build hundreds of roads across national parks and
refuges in Alaska and elsewhere in the West.
"This is classic Gale Norton," said Heidi McIntosh, conservation
director for the Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance. "It's like getting
punched in the head with a velvet glove."
The policy, issued Wednesday, tells park superintendents and other land
managers how to cope with a law that goes by an ungainly name, R.S.
2477, which Congress passed in 1866 to open the West.
This law, and now Norton's policy interpreting it, inspires nightmares
among conservationists, who invoke images of state road graders
intruding on wilderness and four-wheelers running amok on hundreds of
miles in Denali National Park.
The 140-year-old statute grants local governments "the right of way for
the construction of highways" across federal land. It was repealed in
1976 but still applies to older roads and trails, mostly in Alaska and
Utah. What kinds of routes are covered is a matter of fierce dispute.
Alaska has identified more than 600 routes it says are state rights of
way under R.S. 2477. The state sees 14 of them in Denali National Park.
Nearly 50 are in the Wrangell-St. Elias National Park and six in the
Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, said Kahlil Wilson, an access
specialist at the Alaska Department of Natural Resources.
Environmentalists complained Wednesday that Norton's new policy goes
farther than the law or courts require. It would allow local government
to turn hiking trails and cattle tracks into highways, they said.
"This absolutely shows that she has made the choice to blow the doors
open to counties and states. (She's) saying, 'Come in! We're going to
make it easier for you. ... We'll give you a right of way,' " said Ted
Zukoski of Earthjustice.
The Interior Department says the policy does no such thing.
"This policy is about roads that already exist," said Dan Domenico,
special assistant to the Interior Department solicitor. "If a trail is
a trail, it will stay a trail under this policy."
If a local government wants to expand an old park trail into a road,
normal regulations and federal land protection laws would kick in, he
said. He acknowledged that the policy "provides a mechanism for
creating a small improvement that's in line with traditional use."
That kind of flexibility alarms environmentalists. And they don't like
that Norton's policy directs land managers to rely on state law to
define what kind of corridor establishes a right of way.
John Katz, head of Gov. Frank Murkowski's office in Washington, said
the policy is a mixed bag for Alaska. On the plus side, he said, the
policy recognizes traditional uses in establishing access rights onto
federal land.
"Foot traffic and dog sled uses are sufficient" to establish a right of
way, Katz said.
He also likes the reliance on state law but believes it doesn't go far
enough. The guidelines say the width of the right of way is confined to
the area actually used for access.
"We believe that state law should govern the width of a right of way,"
he said. "Under Alaska law the width of a highway is usually fixed at
100 feet."
In almost every case, the state would be fine with the physical-use
boundary, he emphasized.
"There may be a few where the state would eventually want to use the
area that's allowed under state law," he said, for example a trail
between two villages.
Norton recently announced her resignation, effective at the end of the
month.
McIntosh, the Utah conservationist, said this parting shot is typical
of Norton's five years as Interior secretary. It has a lot of
"comforting language" about the duty of federal land managers to
protect public lands, but a careful reading reveals the devastation,
she said.
Domenico said the policy does nothing drastic. "The environmentalists
are trying to make this into a bigger deal than it is."
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TOPIC: Babacan: EU will enter Turkey in a short time
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/99775a378ed9d314
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 2:00 am
From: "Ali Asker"
Babacan: Turkey will enter EU in a short time
Chief Negotiator Ali Babacan was very optimistic over Turkey's bid to join
the EU. "I believe Turkey will become member of the European Union (EU) in a
short time," Babacan said on Wednesday. He then went on to explain the
economic development and reform process in Turkey, noting that more than
half of the direct investments made in Turkey were from EU countries.
When questioned over Turkey's EU bid, Babacan said that Turkey would carry
out the negotiation process till the end and stressed that Turkey would
become a member of EU in a short time.
The conference "Turkey: A Partner of Investment" was organized by the
Austrian Chambers of Commerce, was attended by Austrian Finance Minister
Karl Heinz Graser and Economy Minister Martin Bartenstein, Babacan met with
both ministers and in addition held a meeting with executives of Bank
Austria-Creditanstalt.
The Turkish state minister is due to leave Vienna for Stockholm today.
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/4131618.asp?gid=74
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TOPIC: Left-wing New York Times .. COLLAPSING..
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9da5e442fda0f274
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 8:00 pm
From: "Liberty DEFEATS Islam!"
"N A H" <N A H @none.edu> wrote in message
news:24m522hdhhjvrbcmvrllgb50ri4jpeim86@4ax.com...
> http://www.nypost.com/business/63461.htm
>
> BOSTON AD SKID CHILLS TIMES
>
> (12% revenue decline the worst of major newspaper groups)
LOL!
Excellent news.
But then again, when they collapse what will we use for cheap toilet paper?
>
> NY POST
>
> 3/23/06
>
> KEITH J. KELLY
>
> SULZBERGER No cutbacks.
>
> http://www.nypost.com/photos/biz03232006043B.jpg
>
> The New York Times Company yesterday warned of a first-quarter slump,
> pinning the blame squarely on weak advertising business at the Boston
> Globe and other Times-owned papers in the region.
>
> The warning came as company chairman Arthur Sulzberger Jr. planned a
> trip to Boston next week, creating anxiety in the newsrooms of the
> Globe and other New England Newspaper Group papers.
>
> The company had said last year that it planned to cut 500 jobs
> companywide, primarily in the fourth quarter of 2005 and the begining
> of 2006.
>
> The warning was a "disaster," according to Ed Atorino, an analyst at
> Benchmark Inc. "The Boston Globe seems to be having some major
> problems in help wanted, retail, across the board."
>
> Atorino said the group's 12 percent decline in February ad revenue was
> "probably the worst of any major newspaper group."
>
> The Times said that job reductions will cost $8 million to $10 million
> in the first quarter that ends March 31.
>
>
> (Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...
>
> --
> No Islam, Know Peace ........
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 9:17 pm
From: Paul Duca
in article CpIUf.290$4p6.133@fe06.lga, Liberty DEFEATS Islam! at
dontcalluswellcallyou@gonefishing.org wrote on 3/23/06 9:00 PM:
>
> "N A H" <N A H @none.edu> wrote in message
> news:24m522hdhhjvrbcmvrllgb50ri4jpeim86@4ax.com...
>> http://www.nypost.com/business/63461.htm
>>
>> BOSTON AD SKID CHILLS TIMES
>>
>> (12% revenue decline the worst of major newspaper groups)
>
> LOL!
>
> Excellent news.
>
> But then again, when they collapse what will we use for cheap toilet paper?
>
Since when do you bother to use toilet paper?
Paul
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TOPIC: Turkey begged Afghan President to add PKK in their terrorist list!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/61425e5194925d0e
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Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 2:04 am
From: "Ali Asker"
Afghan President to speak at first session of anti-terrorism symposium
A meeting on anti-terrorism is due to get underway in Ankara today, and will
among other key world figures, play host to the Afghan President Hamid
Karzai, who arrived in Turkey on Wednesday. Karzai, a key note speaker, is
due to speak at the opening session of the symposium on Thursday morning.
Also expected to be a key figure at the first session of four, Turkish Chief
of General Staff Gen. Hilmi Ozkok, will speak at the conference on "Global
Terrorism and International Cooperation Against Terrorism."
Senior Civilian Representative of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization
(NATO) in Afghanistan Hikmet Cetin arrived in Ankara by the same plane with
Karzai. Cetin is also to attend the symposium.
Also to participate in the symposium will be senior officials from the US,
South Korea and Mediterranean countries. Karzai, who will take the floor in
the Thursday morning session of the symposium, is expected to depart from
Ankara at noon.
Turkey and Afghanistan have maintained close relations and Karzai, visiting
Turkey in January, has been the first Afghan president to pay a visit to
Turkey since 1957.
Ankara has supported the U.S. efforts to oust the Taliban regime in
Afghanistan and currently has about 200 soldiers in the international
peacekeeping mission there.
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/english/4131852.asp?gid=74
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TOPIC: Would HE have sent his children to Iraq ?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b1618eba9409b05d
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 2:04 am
From: GW Chimpzilla's Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia
ray wrote:
> In article <GVFUf.879653$xm3.304468@attbi_s21>,
> GW Chimpzilla's Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia <gw@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ray wrote:
>>
>> > In article <1441203.aHYfLYjTKD@minds.org>, Hugo <conscience@minds.org>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> ray wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > In article <1304751.YyEzrzrcFH@minds.org>, Hugo <conscience@minds.org>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Would HE have sent his children to Iraq ?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> - Would he have been so eager for Collin Powell to present pictures of
>> >> >> a
>> >> >> mobile gasoline filter and claim it was a mobile chemical weapons lab
>> >> >> ??
>> >> >>
>> >> >> - Would he have been so eager for a 'easy' military victory, if he had
>> >> >> had
>> >> >> the Presidential wisdom to understand the real cost of war ??
>> >> >>
>> >> >> - Was landing on an aircraft carrier in a flight suite to announce the
>> >> >> fighting was over, worth the after math ??
>> >> >>
>> >> >> - Are the ten junior officers doing time for Abu Ghraib to protect
>> >> >> General
>> >> >> Miller, or the Administration who issued his orders ??
>> >> >>
>> >> >> - When would a President who uses the US flag as a teflon cover for
>> >> >> his
>> >> >> decisions, ever admit to his first mistake ??
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Would you be willing to pay $6.00 per gallon for gasoline?
>> >>
>> >> Good to know what YOUR motives are ;
>> >>
>> >> Burn the children, burn the soldiers;
>> >> just so long as we get cheap gasoline for you,
>> >> the rest of the people can burn for your desire.
>> >
>> > And what about your motives?
>> >
>> Iraq was producing much more oil before AWOL Bush took over. Conservatives
>> are
>> so incompetent that they really can't do anything right except loot the
>> taxpayers.
>
> Actually, it's the Republicans who gave out tax breaks
No, the republicans simply lowered your monthly payments. You're still liable
for their spending. Idiot.
> --it's the
> Democrats that loot taxpayers. Iraq is only our fifth oil supplier in
> this country.
--
There are only two kinds of Republicans: Millionaires and fools.
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TOPIC: SADISM, BRUTALITY OF TF-121, WORSE THAN GESTAPO!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/4b5edf558c894ae4
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 9:09 pm
From: "serwad"
New York Times details secret US military torture operation
A New York Times report on March 19 details the operations of Task Force
6-26, a highly secret US Special Operations Unit whose members have
reportedly engaged in torture and assassination in Iraq and Afghanistan. The
existence and a hint of the operations of the unit-previously known as Task
Force 121 and since renamed Task Force 145-have been reported in the press
before, however there has never been a complete public accounting for its
illegal activities.
by: Joe Kay on: 23rd Mar, 06
Based on new interviews with military and government officials, the Times
piece ("Before and After Abu Ghraib, a US Unit Abused Detainees," by Eric
Schmitt and Carolyn Marshall) provides some additional information about the
unit, particularly with regard to its widespread practice of torturing Iraqi
prisoners. However, the newspaper does more to conceal than to reveal the
real significance of TF 6-26, which has been closely integrated with a
policy of torture and assassination approved at the highest levels of the
American government To this day, TF 6-26 continues to operate, but in an
even more secretive environment than it did during the period covered by the
Times article.
According to the Times and previous media reports, TF 6-26/TF 121 was
originally formed in the summer of 2003, a few months after the invasion of
Iraq. Its ranks were filled with highly-trained Special Operations forces,
including from the Army Delta Force and the Navy Seals, and also included
intelligence agents from the Defense Intelligence Agency It has also worked
closely with the CIA, the FBI and foreign intelligence agencies.
The main task of TF 6-26 was to develop methods to defeat the insurgency,
which during the months following the invasion became more intense than
American military planners had anticipated. The group also had the task of
capturing Saddam Hussein, which it did in December 2003. The grisly methods
it used to meet these objectives were developed in a small compound known as
Camp Nama, located adjacent to the Baghdad International Airport. It also
apparently used Abu Ghraib prison as something of an outsourcing post, where
it would drop off and pick up prisoners that it wanted interrogated. TF 6-26
primarily dealt with "high value" detainees-individuals considered to be
closely involved in the insurgency or with the former Baathist government.
The Times reports that much of the interrogation at Camp Nama was done in
the "Black Room," a "windowless, jet-black garage-size room" where "some
soldiers beat prisoners with rifle butts, yelled and spit in their faces
and, in a nearby area, used detainees for target practice in a game of
jailer paintball." The Black Room was "nearly bare but for several 18-inch
hooks that jutted from the ceiling, a grisly reminder of the terrors
inflicted by Mr. Hussein's inquisitors," the Times notes. "Jailers often
blared rap music or rock 'n' roll at deafening decibels over a loudspeaker
to unnerve their subjects."
The newspaper reported that the soldiers posted placards reading, "NO BLOOD,
NO FOUL." "The slogan, as one Defense Department official explained,
reflected an adage adopted by Task Force 6-26: 'If you don't make them
bleed, they can't prosecute you for it.'" The newspaper quotes another
Pentagon official, "The reality is, there were no rules there." The
prisoners who entered Camp Nama disappeared, having no contact with anyone,
including the Red Cross, which by international law must have access to all
prisoners.
In January 2004, TF 6-26 captured the son of one of Saddam Hussein's
bodyguards. According to the Times, "The man told Army investigators that he
was forced to strip and that he was punched in the spine until he fainted,
put in front of an air-conditioner while cold water was poured on him and
kicked in the stomach until he vomited."
According to the Times, evidence of abuse at Camp Nama includes the period
during which the infamous photos at Abu Ghraib were taken, but extends
farther, into early 2004-after the Abu Ghraib photos were released. This
included the beating of an 18-year-old man who was suspected of selling cars
to a group led by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.
Then, "on June 25, 2004, nearly two months after the disclosure of the
abuses at Abu Ghraib, an F.B.I. agent in Iraq sent an e-mail message to his
superiors in Washington, warning that a detainee captured by Task Force 6-26
had suspicious burn marks on his body. The detainee said he had been
tortured."
Shortly after this incident, TF 6-26 moved to a more discrete location in
Balad, 45 miles north of Baghdad.
According to previous reports, TF 6-26 also developed a method of seizing
the wives of men it wanted to capture, holding them as ransom. This is
another clear violation of international law.
After presenting this evidence of systematic torture by TF 6-26, the Times
article proceeds to exonerate the Defense Department officials from any
responsibility. "The tensions laid bare a clash of military cultures," the
authors write. "Combat-hardened commandos seeking a steady flow of
intelligence to pinpoint insurgents grew exasperated with civilian
interrogators sent from Washington, many of whom were novices at
interrogating hostile prisoners fresh off the battlefield." At one point,
the newspaper writes, "one of Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's top
aides, Stephen A. Cambone, ordered a subordinate Lieutenant General William
Boykin to 'get to the bottom' of any misconduct."
This attempt to present the history of TF 6-26 as a case of military
commandos gone awry, in the face of opposition and concern from Bush
administration officials, turns reality on its head. It represents an
attempt to cover for the administration's policy of torture, either on the
part of the Times, the Times's sources, or a combination of the two.
Rumsfeld, Cambone and Boykin were among the principal architects of this
policy.
The increased role and power of the Special Operations Command, operating
within the framework and direction of the Department of Defense, has been a
specific policy aim of Rumsfeld since at least 2003. Rumsfeld has championed
the idea of small, secretive military units engaged in "manhunts" and other
operations, and has sought to increase the role of military intelligence-as
opposed to the CIA or FBI-in gathering information in Iraq and elsewhere.
In carrying out this policy, he has relied heavily on Stephen Cambone, the
under secretary of defense for intelligence. This post, which Cambone
assumed in March 2003, was created by Rumsfeld for the purpose of increasing
the role of the military in intelligence-gathering. The necessity of this
move was particularly important for Rumsfeld following the disputes that
arose between the Bush administration and the CIA over Iraqi weapons of mass
destruction. Cambone has worked closely with Boykin, a Christian
fundamentalist who has proclaimed that the war in Iraq is a part of a
conflict between Christianity and Islam, and had said that President Bush
was "not elected," but rather "appointed by God."
Seymour Hersh, in a May 15, 2004, article in the New Yorker, tied the abuse
at Abu Ghraib to this new policy. Citing American intelligence officials,
Hersh reported on a Pentagon operation that "encouraged physical coercion
and sexual humiliation of Iraqi prisoners in an effort to generate more
intelligence about the growing insurgency in Iraq." He cited a "senior CIA
official" who "said the operation stemmed from Rumsfeld's long-standing
desire to wrest control of America's clandestine and paramilitary operations
from the CIA."
Hersh wrote that Rumsfeld "authorized the establishment of a highly secret
program that was given blanket advance approval to kill or capture and, if
possible, interrogate 'high value' targets... A special-access program, or
sap-subject to the Defense Department's most stringent level of security-was
set up." After an earlier dispute within the Pentagon, Cambone had been
given authority to control all special-access programs relevant to the "war
on terrorism," which would include those in Iraq.
Hersh's sources claimed that this new program was eventually transferred to
Abu Ghraib and the attempt to defeat the Iraqi insurgency. This provoked
opposition from sections of the CIA, who had been working with the program
but feared that its transfer to Iraq, accompanied by the inclusion of
military forces that had not been trained to operate clandestinely, would
disrupt the operation and lead to a situation such as happened in 2004, when
photographs of torture were made public.
While Hersh did not mention TF 6-26 in his original article, the task force
appears to have been closely involved in these operations. A document
released by the ACLU in January of this year was filed by an army
investigator who said he could not continue to pursue an investigation into
the torture of the son of Saddam Hussein's former bodyguard because the unit
accused of the torture, TF 6-26, was part of a special access program.
The ACLU reported, "A memorandum included in the report states that 'fake
names were used by the 6-26 members' and that the unit claimed to have a
computer malfunction which resulted in the loss of 70 percent of their
files. The memorandum concludes, 'Hell, even if we reopened the
investigation we wouldn't get any more information than we already have.'" A
separate report, dated April 8, 2005, said that the Army investigation could
not pursue 23 criminal cases "due to the suspects and witnesses involvement
in Special Access Programs and/or the security classification of the unit
they were assigned to during the offense."
There is other evidence that has been reported linking TF 6-26/121 to Abu
Ghraib. In the fall of 2003, when the insurgency in Iraq was intensifying,
Major General Geoffrey Miller, who was at the time in charge of the
Guantánamo Bay prison camp, was sent to Iraq under the direction of Cambone.
It later came to light that his main task was to "Gitmoize" interrogation
procedure in Iraq, i.e., transfer the techniques used in Cuba to Iraq. In
September, new methods were approved by Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez,
the military commander in Iraq, for use at Abu Ghraib. These methods came
directly from TF 6-26/121.
According to a New York Times piece on August 27, 2004, a classified and
unreleased section of a military report on Abu Ghraib, known as the Fay
report, "says that a July 15, 2003, 'Battlefield Interrogation Team and
Facility Policy,' drafted for use by Joint Task Force 121 ... was adopted
'almost verbatim' by 519th Military Intelligence Battalion, which played a
leading role in interrogations at Abu Ghraib." The Times wrote at the time
that the policy "endorsed the use of stress positions during harsh
interrogation procedures, the use of dogs, yelling, loud music, light
control, isolation and other procedures used previously in Afghanistan and
Iraq."
Prior to being shifted to Iraq, the 519th MI Battalion had worked closely
with TF 121 in Afghanistan, the classified section of the Fay report said.
It is well known that during the time of the abuse at Abu Ghraib there were
many unidentified military personnel, dressed in civilian clothes, who
drifted in and out of the prison, and who Janis Karpinski, then commander of
the military police unit at the facility, could not identify. These
individuals were likely involved with military intelligence, TF 121, or
otherwise involved in the secret interrogation programs set up under the
direction of the Pentagon.
The true role of outfits like TF 6-26 have been systematically covered up by
the military, both big-business political parties and the media. All the
investigations carried out by the government and the military have been so
many attempts to whitewash the crimes of the Bush administration in ordering
and directing the use of torture in Iraq and elsewhere. The handful of
convictions that have been handed down-Including the recent conviction of an
army dog-handler-have targeted only low-level soldiers, while leaving the
actual architects of this policy to remain at large, indeed to retain their
posts in the highest offices of the government.
http://www.globalecho.org/view_article.php?aid=6950
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TOPIC: HAMAS WILL NOT RECOGNIZE ISRAEL
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/da913de7b1259171
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 9:12 pm
From: "serwad"
"DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
news:zeIUf.14299$Eg2.1533@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> "We are asked to recognize Israel. We can do so but we will not,"
> announced
> Hamas political chief Khaled Meshaal on Monday. He spoke in response to
> requests by the international community, including some Arab leaders, to
> negotiate with the Jewish state.
>
> But Meshaal said no to Sheik Salman bin Hamad Al Khalifa, the crown prince
> of Bahrain, and no to Palestinian Authority president Mahmud Abbas, and no
> to U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and no to the European
> Community, all of whom would like Hamas to a.) recognize Israel, b.)
> renounce its "armed struggle," i.e. terrorism, and c.) respect agreements
> with the Jewish state. But as of Monday, Meshaal was of the view that, on
> the contrary, the world should utilize the unexpected Hamas win in the
> Palestinian elections "for Arab and Islamic benefits."
>
> "Do you need anyone to exert pressure? Let Hamas be your pressuring arm,"
> Meshaal was quoted as saying.
>
> Now all this was predictable, and it would be hardly worth mentioning if
> it
> weren't for commentators and not just commentators but political leaders
> asserting periodically that the Middle East impasse is due to Israeli
> intransigence or worse, to "personalities."
>
> Four years ago, for instance, the media took it in its collective head
> that
> the Palestinian-Israeli conflict was nothing but a grudge-match between
> two
> old man, Yasser Arafat and Ariel Sharon.
>
> Even some of the Israeli press bought into this hogwash back in 2002.
> "Twenty years after Arafat and Sharon faced off during the siege of West
> Beirut, the two old men are confronting each other once again," offered
> Ehud Ya'ari in THE JERUSALEM REPORT MAGAZINE. U.S. President George W.
> Bush
> himself seems to have had an idea that as THE GUARDIAN's Robin Lustig
> put
> it at the time "This is the OK Corral. Two old men are facing each other
> down. It's personal, and it goes back a long way."
>
> As sheriff, Bush dispatched his then-deputy, Secretary of State Colin
> Powell, to the OK Corral four years ago that is, to Arafat's besieged
> compound at Ramallah with instructions to disarm the two cowboys. Bush
> implied that much as Israel was being wronged by terrorists, the world
> community couldn't let its leader, Sharon, take the law into his own
> hands.
>
> On April 4, 2002, in his Rose Garden speech announcing Powell's mission,
> the president waxed lyrical about giving peace a chance:
>
> "America itself counts former adversaries as trusted friends Germany and
> Japan and now Russia," he said. "Conflict is not inevitable. Distrust need
> not be permanent. Peace is possible when we break free of old patterns and
> habits of hatred."
>
> What Bush failed to mention was that Germany had been flattened and
> de-Nazified before it became America's trusted friend; imperial Japan had
> been nuked, and Soviet Russia had imploded. The friendship of these
> nations
> was preceded by a complete collapse and fundamental restructuring of their
> respective societies.
>
> One wishes the Mideast conflict were just a grudge match between two old
> men. If it were, it would be over. Arafat is dead and buried, and Sharon
> is
> dead without being buried after a massive stroke left him in a coma. If it
> had been their private war, or anything close to it, now there would be
> peace.
>
> Unfortunately, the Mideast conflict has never been a grudge-match between
> individuals. It has been a war between the Jewish state and those who have
> been rejecting it for the past 58 years, which is most of the Arab/Muslim
> world. Despite Bush's uplifting speech, Powell probably didn't go to
> Ramallah in 2002 as Neville Chamberlain went to Munich in 1938, with the
> lofty hope for "peace in our time." Powell was hoping only for a permit
> from the Arab world to wage his own war in peace. He wanted to finish a
> job
> in Iraq he left unfinished a decade ago.
>
> No doubt, Powell and Bush were aware that before adversaries become
> trusted
> friends they need to be defeated perhaps not "flattened" or "nuked" (one
> hopes) but decisively defeated and that Iraq couldn't be America's
> friend
> without a complete makeover following a victorious war. If then. If at
> all.
>
> The same is true of Israel and its enemies except one war wouldn't be
> enough. Israel had already fought four (or five, or six, counting Lebanon
> and the Intifadas.) Peace is no giveaway. It doesn't come in a cereal box.
> It's usually a dividend of victory or defeat. That's why it's the
> dearest
> thing there is.
> http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/19412
Why would Hamas recognize an occupying powers which has slaughtered and
continues to slaughter millions of Palestinians? Occupation must be defeated
before making peace with them!
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 2:14 am
From: "DoD"
"serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:XwIUf.1454$sU4.1224@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>
> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
> news:zeIUf.14299$Eg2.1533@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> "We are asked to recognize Israel. We can do so but we will not,"
>> announced
>> Hamas political chief Khaled Meshaal on Monday. He spoke in response to
>> requests by the international community, including some Arab leaders, to
>> negotiate with the Jewish state.
>>
>> But Meshaal said no to Sheik Salman bin Hamad Al Khalifa, the crown
>> prince
>> of Bahrain, and no to Palestinian Authority president Mahmud Abbas, and
>> no
>> to U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and no to the European
>> Community, all of whom would like Hamas to a.) recognize Israel, b.)
>> renounce its "armed struggle," i.e. terrorism, and c.) respect agreements
>> with the Jewish state. But as of Monday, Meshaal was of the view that, on
>> the contrary, the world should utilize the unexpected Hamas win in the
>> Palestinian elections "for Arab and Islamic benefits."
>>
>> "Do you need anyone to exert pressure? Let Hamas be your pressuring arm,"
>> Meshaal was quoted as saying.
>>
>> Now all this was predictable, and it would be hardly worth mentioning if
>> it
>> weren't for commentators and not just commentators but political
>> leaders
>> asserting periodically that the Middle East impasse is due to Israeli
>> intransigence or worse, to "personalities."
>>
>> Four years ago, for instance, the media took it in its collective head
>> that
>> the Palestinian-Israeli conflict was nothing but a grudge-match between
>> two
>> old man, Yasser Arafat and Ariel Sharon.
>>
>> Even some of the Israeli press bought into this hogwash back in 2002.
>> "Twenty years after Arafat and Sharon faced off during the siege of West
>> Beirut, the two old men are confronting each other once again," offered
>> Ehud Ya'ari in THE JERUSALEM REPORT MAGAZINE. U.S. President George W.
>> Bush
>> himself seems to have had an idea that as THE GUARDIAN's Robin Lustig
>> put
>> it at the time "This is the OK Corral. Two old men are facing each
>> other
>> down. It's personal, and it goes back a long way."
>>
>> As sheriff, Bush dispatched his then-deputy, Secretary of State Colin
>> Powell, to the OK Corral four years ago that is, to Arafat's besieged
>> compound at Ramallah with instructions to disarm the two cowboys. Bush
>> implied that much as Israel was being wronged by terrorists, the world
>> community couldn't let its leader, Sharon, take the law into his own
>> hands.
>>
>> On April 4, 2002, in his Rose Garden speech announcing Powell's mission,
>> the president waxed lyrical about giving peace a chance:
>>
>> "America itself counts former adversaries as trusted friends Germany
>> and
>> Japan and now Russia," he said. "Conflict is not inevitable. Distrust
>> need
>> not be permanent. Peace is possible when we break free of old patterns
>> and
>> habits of hatred."
>>
>> What Bush failed to mention was that Germany had been flattened and
>> de-Nazified before it became America's trusted friend; imperial Japan had
>> been nuked, and Soviet Russia had imploded. The friendship of these
>> nations
>> was preceded by a complete collapse and fundamental restructuring of
>> their
>> respective societies.
>>
>> One wishes the Mideast conflict were just a grudge match between two old
>> men. If it were, it would be over. Arafat is dead and buried, and Sharon
>> is
>> dead without being buried after a massive stroke left him in a coma. If
>> it
>> had been their private war, or anything close to it, now there would be
>> peace.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the Mideast conflict has never been a grudge-match between
>> individuals. It has been a war between the Jewish state and those who
>> have
>> been rejecting it for the past 58 years, which is most of the Arab/Muslim
>> world. Despite Bush's uplifting speech, Powell probably didn't go to
>> Ramallah in 2002 as Neville Chamberlain went to Munich in 1938, with the
>> lofty hope for "peace in our time." Powell was hoping only for a permit
>> from the Arab world to wage his own war in peace. He wanted to finish a
>> job
>> in Iraq he left unfinished a decade ago.
>>
>> No doubt, Powell and Bush were aware that before adversaries become
>> trusted
>> friends they need to be defeated perhaps not "flattened" or "nuked"
>> (one
>> hopes) but decisively defeated and that Iraq couldn't be America's
>> friend
>> without a complete makeover following a victorious war. If then. If at
>> all.
>>
>> The same is true of Israel and its enemies except one war wouldn't be
>> enough. Israel had already fought four (or five, or six, counting Lebanon
>> and the Intifadas.) Peace is no giveaway. It doesn't come in a cereal
>> box.
>> It's usually a dividend of victory or defeat. That's why it's the
>> dearest
>> thing there is.
>> http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/19412
> Why would Hamas recognize an occupying powers which has slaughtered and
> continues to slaughter millions of Palestinians?
Because what you just said are lies. And Hamas is a terrorist
organization.....
Occupation must be defeated
> before making peace with them!
Yep, boot the pallies back to their own countries.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 6:17 pm
From: "Ariadne"
serwad wrote:
> Why would Hamas recognize an occupying powers which has slaughtered and
> continues to slaughter millions of Palestinians? Occupation must be defeated
> before making peace with them!
Clearly you are talking about Jordan.
Have you thought of asking King Abdullah?
==============================================================================
TOPIC: WSJ: Why Not Liberate the American Worker
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/dff0702be9d23a69
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 8:10 pm
From: "johnny@."
George Grapman wrote:
> tmurf.1 wrote:
>> When the non-union company has to pay more to keep his people that
>> helps make unionized companies more competitive. It levels the playing
>> field. In fact I know of several construction jobs that were picketed
>> and the contractor gave his guys a raise but the men knew that we
>> actually got the money for them. Most of those guys are now in my
>> union and they are very good union men because they have first hand
>> knowledge of the sharp contrast in working conditions and pay and
>> benefits from their old boss compared to the new ones.
>>
> If you belong to a union one of two things happened:
>
> You knew it was union when you took the job.
> After you were hired a majority of your co-workers voted for a union.
One more thing George. You voted for a union after you were hired.
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TOPIC: Justice at Last
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5dc969963a7c8f17
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 9:16 pm
From: "serwad"
"Ed" <nesorde@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:QrmdndSGQ4Nz0r7ZnZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
> news:bXHUf.14291$Eg2.2949@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> Israel watched and waited. Israel prepared and Israel persevered. And it
>> all came together on March 14th.
>>
>> March 14th. The day that United States and United Kingdom peacekeepers
>> fled for their lives, afraid of being kidnapped or killed by Palestinian
>> terrorists. The day that United States and United Kingdom peacekeeping
>> forces said enough to fear and uncertainty as they watched colleagues
>> disappear, taken hostage, their fates unknown, wondering if they would be
>> next.
>>
>> March 14th. The day that the Israeli army led a daring raid on the
>> Jericho prison abandoned by Americans and the British, left solely
>> guarded by Palestinian jailers. The day that Israel entered the prison
>> and took captive five members of the PFLP, the Palestinian Front for the
>> Liberation of Palestine. The day that five men responsible for the murder
>> of Israeli Minister of Tourism Rechavam "Ghandi" Zeevi exchanged a
>> Palestinian prison for an Israeli prison.
>>
>> For the Israelis, it was worth the wait.
>>
>> And now, Israel is claiming that under Israeli law they will bring the
>> assassins to trial. Israel is claiming that the men who planned the
>> assassination of Zeevi, in October of 2002, in a Jerusalem hotel
>> corridor, will be brought to justice under Israeli jurisdiction.
>>
>> The Palestinians disagree.
>>
>> The Palestinian Authority claims that putting these men on trial - again,
>> in Israel - is a violation of an agreement signed by Israel and the
>> Palestinians. They claim that putting these men on trial in Israel
>> violates Annex IV of Oslo 2 which states that "no person can be tried
>> twice for the same offense." The Palestinians argue that it is
>> double-faced for Israel and the United States to demand that Hamas honor
>> previous agreements if they themselves intend to flaunt this agreement.
>>
>> The Palestinians are right. And they are wrong.
>>
>> Four of the men now in Israeli hands were tried by the Palestinians.
>> True, it was a middle of the night trial that lasted all of twenty
>> minutes, but they were, technically, tried and found guilty. The fifth
>> man, Ahmed Saadat, was never tried by the Palestinians. He went to prison
>> because he feared for his life, feared that Israel would capture him or
>> target him. He went to prison because it was the safest place to be.
>> Ahmed Saadat is the head of the PFLP. Ahmed Saadat never, ever, went on
>> trial for the assassination of Rechavam Zeevi.
>>
>> Ahmed Saadat is fair game. As for the other four, while Israel may not
>> bring them to trial for the assassination, they can certainly try them
>> for a host of other related crimes.
>>
>> The Palestinian Authority is famous for revolving-door-justice. And that
>> is the reason that the prison was watched over, not guarded, but
>> monitored by the Americans and the British. The only reason these men
>> were even in prison is because the United States and the United Kingdom
>> demanded that they be brought to justice and then took up surveillance
>> posts outside the prison doors. The prisoners still used their cell
>> phones and were often visited by high level PA leaders and nobody knows
>> that they were really behind bars, but they were, at least physically, in
>> prison.
>>
>> In fact, Saadat was actually elected to the Palestinian Parliament in the
>> Hamas-led government, from prison.
>>
>> And now Saadat is claiming that he wants to sue the United Kingdom for
>> not properly protecting him in the prison.
>>
>> The United Kingdom was not there to protect Saadat inside the prison,
>> they were there to prevent his escaping from the prison. And he is not
>> the one who escaped. They, the prison-watchers, escaped, pulling out
>> because the situation was too dangerous for them, the peacekeepers.
>> Saadat was captured.
>>
>> So Israel waited, the United States and the United Kingdom watched, and
>> the Palestinians will be punished for their crime.
KISS PALESTINIAN ARSE YOU FUCKING KIKE!
==============================================================================
TOPIC: Turkey and Greece Are Friends
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/53e8145db9439a00
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 6:17 pm
From: Panta Rhei
Frau Panta Mime writes:
> Panta Rhei wrote:
>> Frau Panta Mime writes:
>>
>>> Mmmmmm Hmmmmmmm
>>>
>>> And Weenie Beanie rhymes with ................................?????
>>>
>>> *LMFAOAY*
>>>
>>> Mwahahahahahahahahahaha what an Arschloch
>>>
>>> PWNAGE !
>>>
>>> BTW, you should HEAR the bitch squeal, it's COMICAL in the extreme
>>>
>>> Hoeren sie es
>>>
>>> http://media.putfile.com/panty49
>>>
>>> Here.....
>>>
>>> http://media.putfile.com/pants-awry
>>>
>>> Und auch hier ..........
>>>
>>> http://media.putfile.com/roman-zee-chermann96
>>
>> <BG> BG = BUGGERED by GREEKS Poor, helpless, little idiot!
>>
>> Who was he who bitchslapped you so much that you became what you are now,
>
> What kind of fackin PIDJIN is that you DUMB pseudo-germanic DULLARD ?
>
> *ROTFFLMFAOAY*
>
> "Who was he who" (sic)??? Mbouuuuuhahahahahahahahahahaaaarrrrr you
> unitelligible tosser
>
>> poor, devastated, whining, little idiot? Who only? LMAO!
>
> *LOL* "Who only" (sic) WTFF ? top pidjin ! you are koku's bastard
> sister
>
> FFS Gayson speaks better English than this PWNTsa fucktard
>
>>
>> Your masterbating, turk obsessed housebound gardening hand von DRESDEN
>>
>> Pantsa nicht DRhei
>>
>> --
>> Living the life of a ridiculed, bitchslapped loony on usenet helps Beanie Rhyme mit Seanie und Weenie in mine krankenkopf
I have not doubt that you got comprehension problems, dumb Weenie Beanie!
Not at all!
After all, the way you get bitchslapped around here, EVERY DAY, has left
indelible traces on your tormented, Turkish "brain"!
Sure is funny like hell to see you can't even try NOT to sound like the
devastated, ridiculed and misused idiot that you are!
--
Living the life of a ridiculed, bitchslapped loony on usenet helps Beanie
Tinfoil forget the failures in his life.
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TOPIC: The Real Helen Thomas . . .
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/8997a8e6f690a7cb
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 6:20 pm
From: Paul Duca
Know Alcohol, Know Peace...
Paul
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TOPIC: Disgusting
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/bb9068d238971d7b
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 6:21 pm
From: charlie <@concordia.net>
http://www.peer.org/news/news_id.php?row_id=664
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TOPIC: Bottled Water...ES&T Online News: Bottled antimony
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/55d8dbcafb124a8a
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 23 2006 6:22 pm
From: charlie <@concordia.net>
http://pubs.acs.org/subscribe/journals/esthag-w/2006/mar/science/kc_antimony.html
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