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Today's topics:

* Afghan Man Sentenced to Death for Converting - 5 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/bd295e44b8e99935
* YEAH, SURE, ISRAELIS KNOW WHERE THE CASH IS - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6f7f9004fb411756
* JEWS RAPE, CHEAT, AND LIE! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/bf8d2f3c382143f4
* [Fwd: Major Changes Raise Concerns on Pension Bill] - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/eb27b3aa59fa531d
* In Pakistan even quoting Quran is a crime - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/46076d3a68a3b608
* USA votes AGAINST human rights council - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a5dd7ab02b35db01
* KIKE CROOKS DEPORTED, MAY THEY REST IN SHIT - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/629916a554c174a4
* TORTURE, AS AMERICAN AS APPLE PIE IS! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a4d7afbcfd3126b9
* FRICK!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep your head down, Uncle Wally - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/3bcae7afc5bea869
* MORE GENOCIDE - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6d4b604207696c3e
* THEY LIED THROUGH THEIR TEETH ABOUT 911 - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/43800b318b1a8236
* PRESS RELEASE | - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/fc3d58c4976f0af7
* Jew and Acuma Indians - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/388a752686295a38
* The End Of Civilization - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d2baa9ec038dd4fd
* La clásica caída de los mitos ..LISTA DE DELINCUENTES FUGITIVOS PROTEGIDOS
POR CASTRO EN CUBA... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2e9d7b94d4b83ecf
* Estamos en los umbrales de una crisis más grave que la de Irak: es el
conflicto armado que se avecina con Irán - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d4459b4bacbb422c
* Jobs That Americans Won't Do ?? Think Again - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5f87ba45eaeed9fb

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TOPIC: Afghan Man Sentenced to Death for Converting
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/bd295e44b8e99935
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 7:20 pm
From: "Seeker" <4not_listed_due_to_spam_bots_121101@dont.reply>

"Mohd Kaffir" <fragrance28_693@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1142816666.653454.229280@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
> Seeker wrote:
>> <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1142810312.667284.210060@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>> > Seeker wrote:
>> >> <visualseeplus@yahoo.com> wrote ...
>> >> > Religion of Peace folks.
>> >> >
>> >> > KABUL, Afghanistan - An Afghan man who allegedly converted from
>> >> > Islam
>> >> > to Christianity is being prosecuted in a Kabul court and could be
>> >> > sentenced to death, a judge said Sunday.
>> >>
>> >> Harami Hindu, you have such laws in India too where pain of death is
>> >> imposed
>> >> on anyone converting out of Hinduism.
>> >
>> > There is no such law.
>>
>> I distinctly remembering reading about such a law in Tamil Nadu. Has that
>> law been repealed?
>
> Really? Are you which universe you are talking about?

On 5 October 2002, the state government of Tamil Nadu, India, issued an
ordinance that effectively (when interpreted according to Hindutva ideology)
outlawed religious conversion.

http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/10497.htm

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 7:21 pm
From: "Seeker" <4not_listed_due_to_spam_bots_121101@dont.reply>

<ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1142817577.136255.192420@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Seeker wrote:
>> <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote ...
>> > Seeker wrote:
>> >> <visualseeplus@yahoo.com> wrote ...
>> >> > Religion of Peace folks.
>> >> >
>> >> > KABUL, Afghanistan - An Afghan man who allegedly converted from
>> >> > Islam
>> >> > to Christianity is being prosecuted in a Kabul court and could be
>> >> > sentenced to death, a judge said Sunday.
>> >>
>> >> Harami Hindu, you have such laws in India too where pain of death is
>> >> imposed on anyone converting out of Hinduism.
>> >
>> > There is no such law.
>>
>> I distinctly remembering reading about such a law in Tamil Nadu.
>
> Death penalty for conversion? Such a law hasn't even been proposed in
> India. For a person to convert himself out of Hinduism (or any other
> religion) is not even a crime.
>
>> Has that law been repealed?
>
> If there was such a law in Muslim princely states, it has been repealed
> after they became part of India. There has never been such a law in
> non-Muslim states in India.

These are Muslim princely states?

The legislative history relating to the issue of conversion in India
underscores the point that the authorities concerned were never favourably
disposed towards conversion. While British India had no anti-conversion
laws, many Princely States enacted anti-conversion legislation: the Raigarh
State Conversion Act 1936, the Patna Freedom of Religion Act of 1942, the
Sarguja State Apostasy Act 1945 and the Udaipur State Anti-Conversion Act
1946. Similar laws were enacted in Bikaner, Jodhpur, Kalahandi and Kota and
many more were specifically against conversion to Christianity. In the
post-independence era, Parliament took up for consideration in 1954 the
Indian Conversion (Regulation and Registration) Bill and later in 1960 the
Backward Communities (Religious Protection) Bill, both of which had to be
dropped for lack of support. The proposed Freedom of Religion Bill of 1979
was opposed by the Minorities Commission due to the Bill's evident bias.

However, in 1967-68, Orissa and Madhya Pradesh enacted local laws called the
Orissa Freedom of Religion Act 1967 and the Madhya Pradesh Dharma
Swatantraya Adhiniyam 1968. Along similar lines, the Arunachal Pradesh
Freedom of Religion Act, 1978 was enacted to provide for prohibition of
conversion from one religious faith to any other by use of force or
inducement or by fraudulent means and for matters connected therewith. The
latest addition to this was the Tamil Nadu Prohibition of Forcible
Conversion of Religion Ordinance promulgated by the Governor on October 5,
2002 and subsequently adopted by the State Assembly. Each of these Acts
provides definitions of `Government', `conversion', `indigenous faith',
`force', `fraud', `inducement' (and in the case of Arunachal, that of
`prescribed and religious faith'). These laws made forced conversion a
cognisable offence under sections 295 A and 298 of the Indian Penal Code
that stipulate that malice and deliberate intention to hurt the sentiments
of others is a penal offence punishable by varying durations of imprisonment
and fines.

As early as 1967, it became evident that the concern was not just with
forced conversion, but with conversion to any religion other than Hinduism
and especially Christianity and Islam. In the Orissa and Madhya Pradesh
Acts, the punishment was to be doubled if the offence had been committed in
respect of a minor, a woman or a person belonging to the Scheduled Caste or
Scheduled Tribe community. These may be seen as further reinforcing the
several statutory penalties for ceasing to be a Hindu such as the 1955-56
Hindu Law enactments namely Hindu Minority and Guardianship Act 1956
(Section 6), Hindu Adoption and Maintenance Act 1956 (Sections 7, 8, 9, 11,
18-24), Hindu Marriage Act 1955 (Sections 13 (ii), 13 A) and the Hindu
Succession Act (section 26). The picture is complete if we account for the
fact that most of these laws are aimed to keep the low caste Hindus within
the fold of Hinduism. And so while law prohibits conversion, `reconversion'
of low caste Hindus is permissible. If a low caste Hindu who had converted
to another faith or any of his descendants reconverts to Hinduism, he might
get back his original caste (Kailash Sonkar (1984) 2 SCC 91; S. Raja Gopal
AIR 1969 SC 101).

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 6:34 pm
From: "Mohd Kaffir"

Seeker wrote:
> "Mohd Kaffir" <fragrance28_693@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1142816666.653454.229280@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Seeker wrote:
> >> <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1142810312.667284.210060@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> >> > Seeker wrote:
> >> >> <visualseeplus@yahoo.com> wrote ...
> >> >> > Religion of Peace folks.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > KABUL, Afghanistan - An Afghan man who allegedly converted from
> >> >> > Islam
> >> >> > to Christianity is being prosecuted in a Kabul court and could be
> >> >> > sentenced to death, a judge said Sunday.
> >> >>
> >> >> Harami Hindu, you have such laws in India too where pain of death is
> >> >> imposed
> >> >> on anyone converting out of Hinduism.
> >> >
> >> > There is no such law.
> >>
> >> I distinctly remembering reading about such a law in Tamil Nadu. Has that
> >> law been repealed?
> >
> > Really? Are you which universe you are talking about?
>
> On 5 October 2002, the state government of Tamil Nadu, India, issued an
> ordinance that effectively (when interpreted according to Hindutva ideology)
> outlawed religious conversion.
>
> http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/10497.htm

Where did it mention "death penalty"??

Also, you quoted an evangelical site, instead of a real news site.
The law was about banning conversion by coercian and bribery.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 6:37 pm
From: "Mohd Kaffir"

Seeker wrote:
> <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1142817577.136255.192420@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Seeker wrote:
> >> <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote ...
> >> > Seeker wrote:
> >> >> <visualseeplus@yahoo.com> wrote ...
> >> >> > Religion of Peace folks.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > KABUL, Afghanistan - An Afghan man who allegedly converted from
> >> >> > Islam
> >> >> > to Christianity is being prosecuted in a Kabul court and could be
> >> >> > sentenced to death, a judge said Sunday.
> >> >>
> >> >> Harami Hindu, you have such laws in India too where pain of death is
> >> >> imposed on anyone converting out of Hinduism.
> >> >
> >> > There is no such law.
> >>
> >> I distinctly remembering reading about such a law in Tamil Nadu.
> >
> > Death penalty for conversion? Such a law hasn't even been proposed in
> > India. For a person to convert himself out of Hinduism (or any other
> > religion) is not even a crime.
> >
> >> Has that law been repealed?
> >
> > If there was such a law in Muslim princely states, it has been repealed
> > after they became part of India. There has never been such a law in
> > non-Muslim states in India.
>
> These are Muslim princely states?
>
> The legislative history relating to the issue of conversion in India
> underscores the point that the authorities concerned were never favourably
> disposed towards conversion. While British India had no anti-conversion
> laws, many Princely States enacted anti-conversion legislation: the Raigarh
> State Conversion Act 1936, the Patna Freedom of Religion Act of 1942, the
> Sarguja State Apostasy Act 1945 and the Udaipur State Anti-Conversion Act
> 1946. Similar laws were enacted in Bikaner, Jodhpur, Kalahandi and Kota and
> many more were specifically against conversion to Christianity. In the
> post-independence era, Parliament took up for consideration in 1954 the
> Indian Conversion (Regulation and Registration) Bill and later in 1960 the
> Backward Communities (Religious Protection) Bill, both of which had to be
> dropped for lack of support. The proposed Freedom of Religion Bill of 1979
> was opposed by the Minorities Commission due to the Bill's evident bias.
>
> However, in 1967-68, Orissa and Madhya Pradesh enacted local laws called the
> Orissa Freedom of Religion Act 1967 and the Madhya Pradesh Dharma
> Swatantraya Adhiniyam 1968. Along similar lines, the Arunachal Pradesh
> Freedom of Religion Act, 1978 was enacted to provide for prohibition of
> conversion from one religious faith to any other by use of force or
> inducement or by fraudulent means and for matters connected therewith. The
> latest addition to this was the Tamil Nadu Prohibition of Forcible
> Conversion of Religion Ordinance promulgated by the Governor on October 5,
> 2002 and subsequently adopted by the State Assembly. Each of these Acts
> provides definitions of `Government', `conversion', `indigenous faith',
> `force', `fraud', `inducement' (and in the case of Arunachal, that of
> `prescribed and religious faith'). These laws made forced conversion a
> cognisable offence under sections 295 A and 298 of the Indian Penal Code
> that stipulate that malice and deliberate intention to hurt the sentiments
> of others is a penal offence punishable by varying durations of imprisonment
> and fines.
>
> As early as 1967, it became evident that the concern was not just with
> forced conversion, but with conversion to any religion other than Hinduism
> and especially Christianity and Islam. In the Orissa and Madhya Pradesh
> Acts, the punishment was to be doubled if the offence had been committed in
> respect of a minor, a woman or a person belonging to the Scheduled Caste or
> Scheduled Tribe community. These may be seen as further reinforcing the
> several statutory penalties for ceasing to be a Hindu such as the 1955-56
> Hindu Law enactments namely Hindu Minority and Guardianship Act 1956
> (Section 6), Hindu Adoption and Maintenance Act 1956 (Sections 7, 8, 9, 11,
> 18-24), Hindu Marriage Act 1955 (Sections 13 (ii), 13 A) and the Hindu
> Succession Act (section 26). The picture is complete if we account for the
> fact that most of these laws are aimed to keep the low caste Hindus within
> the fold of Hinduism. And so while law prohibits conversion, `reconversion'
> of low caste Hindus is permissible. If a low caste Hindu who had converted
> to another faith or any of his descendants reconverts to Hinduism, he might
> get back his original caste (Kailash Sonkar (1984) 2 SCC 91; S. Raja Gopal
> AIR 1969 SC 101).

Please find the word "death penalty" in the above.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 9:26 pm
From: "rkusenet"

"Seeker" <4not_listed_due_to_spam_bots_121101@dont.reply> wrote in message
news:cjoTf.9307$z82.2446@fed1read07...
> On 5 October 2002, the state government of Tamil Nadu, India, issued an ordinance that
> effectively (when interpreted according to Hindutva ideology) outlawed religious conversion.
>
> http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/10497.htm

this was repealed after much noise. Google for it.

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TOPIC: YEAH, SURE, ISRAELIS KNOW WHERE THE CASH IS
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6f7f9004fb411756
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 9:21 pm
From: "serwad"

Spyware-for-hire couple plead guilty
By John Leyden
Published Wednesday 15th March 2006 10:16 GMT
An Israeli couple faces prison after confessing to the development and sale
of a spyware Trojan horse that helped private investigators snoop on their
clients' business competitors.

Ruth Brier-Haephrati, 28, and Michael Haephrati, 44, have entered guilty
pleas to industrial espionage charges over the Trojan horse case. Ruth was
charged with a litany of offences including fraud, planting computer
viruses, and conspiracy. Her husband, Michael, is charged with aiding and
abetting those offences, Ha'aretz reports
(http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/694137.html). Ruth faces four
years in jail while Michael faces two years' imprisonment. Each also faces a
suspended sentence and a fine of one million New Israeli Shekels ($212K)
under a plea-bargaining agreement. Tel Aviv District Court Judge Bracha
Ofir-Tom will rule on whether the Haephrati's plea is acceptable on 27
March.

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Investigators allege the duo developed and sold customised spyware or Trojan
horse packages designed to evade detection by security tools to three
private investigation companies in Israel - Modi'in Ezrahi, Zvi Krochmal,
and Philosof-Balali. This spyware code was allegedly installed on victims'
PCs by private detectives from a diskette or via email, as part of a spying
scam that ran for up to two years. The malware sent stolen documents to an
FTP site, allowing unscrupulous firms to swipe confidential documents from
rivals. Each software installation allegedly netted the Haephratis 2,000 New
Israeli Shekels ($425), The Jerusalem Post reports
(http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1139395601219&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull).
According to court documents, Michael Haephrati developed the spyware Trojan
horse, while his wife, Ruth, marketed it via a firm called Target-Eya.

Firms suspected of using the malware include Mayer Motors (an importer of
Volvo and Honda cars) against Champion Motors (an Audi and Volkswagen
dealership). Satellite television company Yes is accused of spying on rival
cable TV outfit HOT. Another alleged victim is a PR agency, whose clients
include Israel's second biggest mobile phone operator, Partner
Communication. The Haephratis are among 22 people arrested in Israel and the
UK in connection with the case last year. ®

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 9:28 pm
From: "serwad"

"serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:thoTf.1164$4Q.1161@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> Spyware-for-hire couple plead guilty
> By John Leyden
> Published Wednesday 15th March 2006 10:16 GMT
> An Israeli couple faces prison after confessing to the development and
> sale
> of a spyware Trojan horse that helped private investigators snoop on their
> clients' business competitors.
>
> Ruth Brier-Haephrati, 28, and Michael Haephrati, 44, have entered guilty
> pleas to industrial espionage charges over the Trojan horse case. Ruth was
> charged with a litany of offences including fraud, planting computer
> viruses, and conspiracy. Her husband, Michael, is charged with aiding and
> abetting those offences, Ha'aretz reports
> (http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/694137.html). Ruth faces four
> years in jail while Michael faces two years' imprisonment. Each also faces
> a
> suspended sentence and a fine of one million New Israeli Shekels ($212K)
> under a plea-bargaining agreement. Tel Aviv District Court Judge Bracha
> Ofir-Tom will rule on whether the Haephrati's plea is acceptable on 27
> March.
>
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>
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>
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> and
> we're here to stay - Click Here
>
> Investigators allege the duo developed and sold customised spyware or
> Trojan
> horse packages designed to evade detection by security tools to three
> private investigation companies in Israel - Modi'in Ezrahi, Zvi Krochmal,
> and Philosof-Balali. This spyware code was allegedly installed on victims'
> PCs by private detectives from a diskette or via email, as part of a
> spying
> scam that ran for up to two years. The malware sent stolen documents to an
> FTP site, allowing unscrupulous firms to swipe confidential documents from
> rivals. Each software installation allegedly netted the Haephratis 2,000
> New
> Israeli Shekels ($425), The Jerusalem Post reports
> (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1139395601219&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull).
> According to court documents, Michael Haephrati developed the spyware
> Trojan
> horse, while his wife, Ruth, marketed it via a firm called Target-Eya.
>
> Firms suspected of using the malware include Mayer Motors (an importer of
> Volvo and Honda cars) against Champion Motors (an Audi and Volkswagen
> dealership). Satellite television company Yes is accused of spying on
> rival
> cable TV outfit HOT. Another alleged victim is a PR agency, whose clients
> include Israel's second biggest mobile phone operator, Partner
> Communication. The Haephratis are among 22 people arrested in Israel and
> the
> UK in connection with the case last year. ®

Spyware probe couple deported to Israel
Corporate espionage suspects rounded up
By John Leyden
Published Tuesday 31st January 2006 15:35 GMT
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job? Click here for thousands of tech vacancies.
Spyware-for-hire suspects Michael and Ruth Haephrati arrived in Israel on
Monday to face industrial espionage charges following their extradition from
Britain. The couple, alleged masterminds behind a spyware-linked industrial
espionage program, face trial in their native Israel after dropping an
appeal against deportation.

Investigators allege the dynamic duo developed and sold customised spyware
or Trojan horse packages designed to evade detection by security tools to
three private investigation companies in Israel - Modi'in Ezrahi, Zvi
Krochmal, and Philosof-Balali, The Jerusalem Post reports. This spyware code
was allegedly installed on victims' PCs by private detectives from a
diskette or via email, as part of a spying scam that ran for up to two
years. The malware sent stolen documents to an FTP site, allowing
unscrupulous firms to swipe confidential documents from rivals. Each
software installation allegedly netted the Haephratis £2,000.

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Firms suspected of using the malware include Mayer Motors (an importer of
Volvo and Honda cars) against Champion Motors (an Audi and Volkswagen
dealership), satellite television company Yes is accused of spying on rival
cable TV outfit HOT, while Israeli mobile phone firms Pelephone and Cellcom
are accused of spying Haaretz reports.

The Haephratis are two of 22 people arrested in Israel and the UK in
connection with the case, some of who are currently on trial in Israel's Tel
Aviv District Court. ®

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TOPIC: JEWS RAPE, CHEAT, AND LIE!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/bf8d2f3c382143f4
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 9:23 pm
From: "serwad"

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TOPIC: [Fwd: Major Changes Raise Concerns on Pension Bill]
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/eb27b3aa59fa531d
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 8:24 pm
From: no name <@verizon.net>

Major Changes Raise Concerns on Pension Bill

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/19/business/19pension.html?_r=1&oref=login

By MARY WILLIAMS WALSH
Published: March 19, 2006
With a strong directive from the Bush administration, Congress set out more
than a year ago to fashion legislation that would protect America's private
pension system, tightening the rules to make sure companies set aside enough
money to make good on their promises to employees.

House Majority Leader John A. Boehner has been a driving force behind
changes to the pension bill.

Then the political horse-trading began, with lawmakers, companies and
lobbyists, representing everything from big Wall Street firms to tiny rural
electric cooperatives, weighing in on the particulars of the Bush
administration's blueprint.

In the end, lawmakers modified many of the proposed rules, allowing
companies more time to cover pension shortfalls, to make more forgiving
estimates about how much they will owe workers in the future, and even
sometimes to assume that their workers will die younger than the rest of the
population.

On top of those changes, companies also persuaded lawmakers to add dozens of
specific measures, including a multibillion-dollar escape clause for the
nation's airlines and a special exemption for the makers of Smithfield Farms
hams.

As a result, the bill now being completed in a House-Senate conference
committee, rather than strengthening the pension system, would actually
weaken it, according to a little-noticed analysis by the government's
pension agency. The agency's report projects that the House and Senate bills
would lower corporate contributions to the already underfinanced pension
system by $140 billion to $160 billion in the next three years.

That shortfall raises the specter of more pension plans failing, pushing
their liabilities on to the government, according to the agency and critics
of the bills. And some companies with fully financed pensions feel unfairly
penalized by having to pay higher pension premiums to make up for others'
shortfalls.

"It takes a better economist than me to understand how reducing
contributions by that much is going to protect benefits and put the system
on a sounder footing," said Jeremy I. Bulow, an economist at Stanford
University.

Both pieces of legislation - one passed by the House and the other by the
Senate, both by overwhelming majorities - do contain measures that would
reduce some of the lapses and inaccuracies that the current pension law
permits. They would also increase the premiums that companies pay to the
federal guarantor, the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation, an agency
grappling with a $23 billion deficit.

Senator Charles E. Grassley, Republican of Iowa and chairman of the Senate
Finance Committee, says the bills attempt to strike the proper balance
between providing for workers' pensions and allowing companies to remain
competitive.

"My goal is to make sure that companies set aside enough money for the
pensions they promise their workers," Mr. Grassley said. "At the same time,
we can't put burdens on plan sponsors that are too heavy."

The overhaul of the pension system is being undertaken at a time when it is
reeling from a series of big bankruptcies, like those of United Airlines and
Bethlehem Steel, which sent billions of dollars' worth of obligations to the
pension agency.

The agency's pension insurance is limited, and a growing number of these
companies' employees have discovered to their dismay that their benefits
exceed the limits and that they will simply lose part of the money they had
been promised.

The House-Senate conference committee intends to reconcile the bills before
April 15, when the next round of corporate pension contributions are due.
But the White House already warned in November that President Bush might
veto any bill that extended too much special pension relief to individual
companies and industries.

Legislators argue that, while they want the pension agency to be strong,
they also want to encourage companies to continue offering pensions. Lately,
some companies, like I.B.M. and Verizon, have moved to freeze their pension
plans, arguing that the costs of their plans make it hard to compete.

Kevin Smith, the spokesman for Representative John A. Boehner, Republican of
Ohio and the new House majority leader, who was one of the driving forces
behind pension changes, defended the House bill, arguing that many specific
measures, particularly those phasing in the new rules slowly, were
necessary.

"Both the House and Senate pension bills represent the most comprehensive
pension reforms in a generation," Mr. Smith said, "so a responsible
transition period for employers to meet the new, stricter rules is
appropriate."

He added that he believed the pension agency's analysis did not take into
account the weakened financial condition of many companies that offer
pensions.

The law that Congress wants to amend was enacted in 1974 after a series of
scandals in the auto industry in which employees of dying companies like
Studebaker and Packard discovered that little or nothing had been set aside
for their pensions. It gave rise to rules for the financing of pensions and
to an insurance program roughly comparable to the federal insurance program
for bank deposits.

The law did help safeguard pension benefits, but it has not been strong
enough to stop some companies from falling short in their contributions.

When Labor Secretary Elaine L. Chao sent Congress a blueprint for amending
the pension law in January 2005, many companies thought her proposals were
too tough.

From the start of the legislative process, lobbyists representing a wide
swath of American business, including those from the United States Chamber
of Commerce, the American Benefits Council and the Erisa Industry Committee
(which represents large companies with pension plans), argued for easing the
burden on companies by allowing them more latitude in estimating how long
their workers would live, for example, and what they would need to set aside
for future payouts.

The biggest single-industry pension break in the bill passed by the Senate
is for the airlines, to allow them to keep their unstable pension plans
going.

Among other things, the airlines would be given 20 years to close the
shortfalls in their pension funds - nearly three times as long as other
companies. They would also be allowed to factor in highly optimistic
assumptions about their investment returns when calculating how much they
needed to contribute to their pension funds each year.

The measures were written into the bill at the request of Northwest
Airlines, which is in bankruptcy proceedings and is trying to keep its
pensions alive, though in sharply reduced form. Northwest sought a 14-year
breather on its pension contributions.

But then Senator Johnny Isakson, Republican of Georgia, said that 14 years
of relief would not be enough to help Delta, a big airline based in his
state, which is also operating under Chapter 11 bankruptcy protections.
Senator Isakson amended the bill to provide 20 years of relief. After
complaints from other big airlines, the relief was expanded to them all.

The Senate bill would also help recover more than $1 billion of benefits
that thousands of pilots for Braniff, PanAm, Eastern, United and other
airlines have lost in bankruptcy cases going back as far as the 1980's. That
amendment was made by Senator Daniel H. Akaka, Democrat of Hawaii.

But helping those pilots would be expensive: the pension agency projected
that the entire provision would increase its total obligations to retirees
by more than $1 billion.

Someone must pay for this. Currently, the pension agency finances itself in
part through the insurance premiums that companies are required to pay into
the system. Raising the premiums to support pilots or help other victims of
corporate bankruptcies, some companies in other industries are starting to
say, would be unfair.

In a letter to shareholders last week, Edward S. Lampert, chairman of Sears
Holdings, which is responsible for the pension plans of employees at Kmart
and Sears, complained that his company's pension insurance premiums were
going up by 60 percent, "not in order to address any risk associated with
Sears, but rather to make up for the difficulties of other companies."

Mr. Lampert also deplored the current pension law, which bars companies with
richly financed pension plans from taking any of the surplus money out,
except in rare instances.

Prudential Financial has the same complaint, but instead of writing to its
shareholders, it took direct action in Washington, hiring William F.
Sweetnam Jr., until recently the Treasury Department's senior legal adviser
on employee benefits, to lobby on the issue of surplus pension assets. Mr.
Sweetnam is now a principal at the Groom Law Group, a Washington law firm
that specializes in employee benefits issues.

Prudential has a $1.2 billion surplus in its pension fund. Mr. Sweetnam was
able to persuade several senators, including Frank R. Lautenberg, Democrat
of New Jersey (where Prudential has its headquarters), that the companies
that are more than 15 percent overfinanced should be allowed to remove some
of the surplus and use the money to buy health insurance for retirees.

Currently, only companies that are 25 percent overfinanced are allowed to do
so.

Robert DeFillippo, a Prudential spokesman, said that the provision would
improve pension security because in exchange for the ability to take more
money out of the pension fund, the company would be required to handle the
money remaining in the fund much more carefully.

Smithfield Farms also got help in the name of strengthening the system. It
bought another meat company out of bankruptcy in 2003, taking over its
pension fund at the same time. That kept the bankrupt firm's pension plan
alive, Smithfield said, and saved the government from having to take it
over. In light of that, the company contends that it would hardly be fair to
impose tougher new financing rules on Smithfield.

That argument caught the ear of Senator Mike DeWine, Republican of Ohio,
where Smithfield has major operations. Mr. DeWine added a provision that
would let Smithfield follow the old pension rules until 2014, no matter what
Congress does in the meantime.

The bills would also be a boon to Wall Street by permitting financial
service companies to handle more retirement money with fewer restrictions.
Hedge funds, for example, would be permitted to manage more pension money
without being held to the pension law's exacting standards of fiduciary
duty.

Mr. Boehner has championed easing the restrictions on investment advice for
several years. He included a provision that would permit investment firms to
advise participants in 401(k) retirement plans, even if the firms' own
mutual funds were among the employees' investment choices. Current pension
law forbids this practice, on the thinking that it could taint investment
recommendations.

Mr. Boehner has argued that employees need more investment advice, however,
so that they can save more and earn better returns on their money. The
securities industry is his top campaign contributor, providing more than
$125,000 already in the 2005-06 House election cycle.

Mr. Smith, the spokesman for Mr. Boehner, said that the House bill would
provide better quality financial advice for workers, adding that the Bush
administration strongly supported that amendment.

"The Senate advice provision does little more than restate current law," he
said, "which has left workers to fend for themselves without the type of
quality advice they so desperately need."

--
Service Guarantees Citizenship

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TOPIC: In Pakistan even quoting Quran is a crime
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/46076d3a68a3b608
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 1:56 am
From: "John"

Even better is the "naming and quoting Allah" part. Have they now complete
monopoly on God?

Regards

"rkusenet" <rkusenet@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:yTmTf.1285$qX6.27670@news20.bellglobal.com...
> For Ahmediyas even quoting Quran is a crime.
> Can you guys believe how pathetic is this country
> which does not even treat a subsect of Islam in a
> humane way. Just imagine how they treat christians
> and other minorities, whatever few are left.
>
> REALLY A SHITHOLE OF A COUNTRY.
>
>
> Sunday, March 19, 2006
>
> Ahmadiyya Imam, four others charged with 'blasphemy'
> By Ali Waqar
>
> LAHORE: The Imam of the Ahmadiyya community, Mirza Masroor Ahmad and four
> workers at a monthly Ahmadi magazine for women have been charged with
> blasphemy for referring to quotes from the Quran and Hadith, Daily Times
> has learnt.
>
> According to a copy of the FIR registered on January 5, 2006, at Tando
> Adam police station, the Ahmadiyya Imam, Mirza Khalil Ahmed Qamar (editor
> of monthly magazine Misbah), Sheikh Khurshid Ahmad (publisher), Sultan
> Ahmad Qadiyani (printer) and an unidentified woman author of an article in
> the magazine stand accused of blasphemy under Section 298C (anti-Ahmadi
> law) of the PPC.
>
> The complainant is Allama Ahmad Mian Hamadi, khateeb of Jamia Mosque Tando
> Adam.
>
> Hamadi says in the FIR that naming and quoting Allah, the Prophet Muhammad
> (peace be upon him), referring to the Quran, and referring to the Prophet
> (pbuh) as "our beloved master" by Ahmedis is "blasphemous" and hurts the
> religious sentiment of Muslims, and this was exactly what was done in the
> August 2005 issue of Misbah. Sources said the matter was initially
> referred to the district police officer of Sanghar, Ajmal Khan Magsi, who,
> after consulting with local clerics, ordered the registration of a case.
> Sources said no one had yet been arrested.
>
> Tando Adam SHO Muhammad Younis initially denied there was such an FIR, but
> when informed that Daily Times possessed a copy, refused to comment on the
> "sensitive" matter.
>
> DPO Magsi claimed that the matter had been resolved and there was nothing
> newsworthy about it, but refused to give any details.
>
> http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006%5C03%5C19%5Cstory_19-3-2006_pg1_5

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 2:45 am
From: "John"

Even better is the "naming and quoting Allah" part. Now they have complete
monopoly over God?

Regards

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TOPIC: USA votes AGAINST human rights council
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a5dd7ab02b35db01
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 6:27 pm
From: "Drexl Spivey"

Those bitches are damaged goods beanie. If you want some shit like Hep
B go for it. I'd give you the usenet discount, but I know you is no
seafood lover.

The new fish, that be another story. They be doing everything to pass
the "technical" part of the interview! If they is good, I put them in
the movies.

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TOPIC: KIKE CROOKS DEPORTED, MAY THEY REST IN SHIT
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/629916a554c174a4
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 9:27 pm
From: "serwad"

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TOPIC: TORTURE, AS AMERICAN AS APPLE PIE IS!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a4d7afbcfd3126b9
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 9:35 pm
From: "serwad"

Essentially you have a judge saying that assuming that U.S. officials sent
Mr. Arar to be tortured, a judge can do nothing about it.
In a startling, ominous decision-ignored by most of the press around the
country-Federal District Judge David Trager, in the Eastern District of New
York, has dismissed a lawsuit by a Canadian citizen, Maher Arar, who, during
a stopover at Kennedy Airport on the way home to Canada after vacation, was
kidnapped by CIA agents.

Liberty Beat The Torture Judge U.S. court rules our government can break
international laws to keep us safe by Nat Hentoff March 13th, 2006 12:45 AM
Federal judge David Trager: Am I my president's keeper? photo: Rick Kopstein
Essentially you have a judge saying that assuming that U.S. officials sent
Mr. Arar to be tortured, a judge can do nothing about it. Georgetown
University law professor David Cole, New York Law Journal, February 17 In a
startling, ominous decision-ignored by most of the press around the
country-Federal District Judge David Trager, in the Eastern District of New
York, has dismissed a lawsuit by a Canadian citizen, Maher Arar, who, during
a stopover at Kennedy Airport on the way home to Canada after vacation, was
kidnapped by CIA agents. Arar was flown to Syria, where he was tortured for
nearly a year in solitary confinement in a three-by-six-foot cell ("like a
grave," he said). He became, internationally, one of the best-known victims
of the CIA's extraordinary renditions-the sending of suspected terrorists to
countries known for torturing their prisoners. Released after his ordeal,
Arar has not been charged with any involvement in terrorism, or anything
else, by Syria or the United States. Stigmatized by his notoriety, still
traumatized, unemployed, he is back in Canada, where the Canadian Parliament
had opened an extensive and expensive public inquiry into his capture and
torture. The United States refuses to cooperate in any way with this
investigation.

(And do not think for a minute that you cannot be next Arar!)

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TOPIC: FRICK!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep your head down, Uncle Wally
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/3bcae7afc5bea869
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 6:35 pm
From: "The Last 2466 days™ ♥"

John Lemke "John Lemke" <jfle...@locallink.net>
thusly scribed the following highly entertaining diatribe:

Hey, one of our favorite peoplez needs to keep his eyes open and some
fresh
water, bread and vegemite stored away. We want him around for another
2,600
days.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/19/060319124159.3z1os73l.html

You stay in touch now, hear?

Hooroo!!!!!!!!!!!

John Lemke wrote:
> Hey, one of our favorite peoplez needs to keep his eyes open and some fresh
> water, bread and vegemite stored away. We want him around for another 2,600
> days.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/19/060319124159.3z1os73l.html

> You stay in touch now, hear?

> Hooroo!!!!!!!!!!!

---0---

yeppers ! yes siree yes indeedy do !

Well, U beat me to it, John -- I was just about to post all about
this....
Fortunately it didn't directly hit Cairns, which has an international
airport, large
shopping complexes & a population of over 100,000 peoplez !!

It hit a much smaller town called Innisfail, population 10,000, which
iz 85 kilometers
south of Cairns.....

The sugar cane industry will be hard it by this though, this Cyclone
being stronger than Cyclone Tracy was way back in 1974 !

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=a8TIA_eeOtfE&refe...

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/innisfail-mayors-desperate-ple...

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-03/20/content_4321014.htm

Hooroo/ Cheerio / Tata !!!

UNCLE WALLY (Thank yer mutha' for the rabbits & don't forget to
frickin' well close
the back door on the way out !!!! -- See U in the Soup !!! ;-)

---0---

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 2:40 am
From: Kawosa

"=?utf-8?B?VGhlIExhc3QgMjQ2NiBkYXlz4oSiIOKZpQ==?="
<stargatedecember2012@yahoo.ca> wrote in
news:1142822122.160878.238750@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

> John Lemke "John Lemke" <jfle...@locallink.net>
> thusly scribed the following highly entertaining diatribe:
>
>
> Hey, one of our favorite peoplez needs to keep his eyes open and some
> fresh
> water, bread and vegemite stored away. We want him around for another
> 2,600
> days.
>
> http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/19/060319124159.3z1os73l.html
>
>
> You stay in touch now, hear?
>
>
> Hooroo!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
>
> John Lemke wrote:
>> Hey, one of our favorite peoplez needs to keep his eyes open and some
>> fresh water, bread and vegemite stored away. We want him around for
>> another 2,600 days.
>
> http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/19/060319124159.3z1os73l.html
>
>
>> You stay in touch now, hear?
>
>
>> Hooroo!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> ---0---
>
> yeppers ! yes siree yes indeedy do !
>
> Well, U beat me to it, John -- I was just about to post all about
> this....
> Fortunately it didn't directly hit Cairns, which has an international
> airport, large
> shopping complexes & a population of over 100,000 peoplez !!
>
>
> It hit a much smaller town called Innisfail, population 10,000, which
> iz 85 kilometers
> south of Cairns.....
>
>
> The sugar cane industry will be hard it by this though, this Cyclone
> being stronger than Cyclone Tracy was way back in 1974 !
>
>
> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=a8TIA_eeOtfE&refe..
> .
>
>
>
> http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/innisfail-mayors-desperate-ple..
> .
>
>
>
> http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-03/20/content_4321014.htm
>
>
> Hooroo/ Cheerio / Tata !!!
>
>
> UNCLE WALLY (Thank yer mutha' for the rabbits & don't forget to
> frickin' well close
> the back door on the way out !!!! -- See U in the Soup !!! ;-)
>
> ---0---
>
>

Keep your HEAD DOWN! Here comes another one....

---
avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean.
Virus Database (VPS): 0611-2, 03/17/2006

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TOPIC: MORE GENOCIDE
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6d4b604207696c3e
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 9:38 pm
From: "serwad"

· Two US troops reported killed in Resistance bombing west of
al-Hadithah.

· Resistance bombing in southwestern Baghdad leaves US soldier
reported dead.

· US SAMARRA' OFFENSIVE CONTINUES.

· For second straight day US forces on Sunday prevent aid from Red
Crescent, UAE Humanitarian Organization from getting to victims of American
Samarra' offensive.

· Villagers near Samarra' beat up "disgusting" reporter for puppet
government TV station who "did't tell the truth."

· US troops, backed by pro-US Shi'i sectarian forces, make hundreds
of arrests in their offensive against the people of the Samarra' area,
including wives and children of "wanted" men.

· Five US troops reported killed in Resistance attack in ad-Dulu'iyah
at dawn Sunday. US troops respond by murdering six local civilians.

· Two US troops reported killed in Resistance bombing south of Tikrit.

· Mysterious rocket explodes near Shi'i pilgrimage site as US, UK
continue efforts to spark sectarian conflict in Iraq.

· Resistance bomb reportedly kills four British troops in
an-Nasiriyah.

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TOPIC: THEY LIED THROUGH THEIR TEETH ABOUT 911
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/43800b318b1a8236
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 9:48 pm
From: "serwad"

Hijackers?

What makes you think you actually KNOW what happened on those planes? All
four were obliterated, along with everyone on board, remember? No crime
scene, no direct evidence, no recognizable remains, no witnesses
whatsoever -- it's a blank canvas. How convenient for any party intent on
launching a new era of global imperialism, and willing to spin this tragedy
into a viable excuse. Indeed, all of the attack's consequences are far
better explained by this agenda than by Bin Laden's purported death wish.
Those presuming to examine this matter, i.e. ALL OF US, need to recognize
that such trickery is a timeless specialty of governments.

And yet from that very day we have allowed the government-media complex to
focus all attention on one rather thin explanation: Crazy Arabs did it!
George W. Bush and his cabinet have made it known to us, in the most
arrogant terms, that they will brook no discussion of other possibilities --
an edict most Americans, in their desperation to believe in this man, seem
to have embraced. The Bush Administration even withholds its "proof" of Al
Qa'eda's guilt; clearly, it considers mere citizens too unimportant to
require full explanations, and once again, we're just rolling over and
taking it.

The phrases 'spiritually broken' and 'morally adrift' come to mind...

Until the full case against Al Qa'eda is made available for public review,
we have absolutely no assurance that this "proof" isn't exactly like the
"proof" of Iraq's weapons programs -- i.e., a big fat lie from top to
bottom. On these terms, wholesale acceptance of the hijacker scenario will
continue to be what it has always been: a pathetic display of blind faith in
this administration's utterances, and in those of its media accomplices. At
present, it is astonishing that anyone places faith of any kind in either
party: by means of the "WMD" debacle, both have proven themselves amoral,
duplicitous, and utterly devoid of humanity. Indeed, why do we give them so
much as a moment of our attention? No one with a lick of sense would do
this.

A rigorous civilian investigation of 9-11 would help resolve such doubts. If
Bush and the rest were standing on firm ground, they would fully support
such a thing. Instead, they have worked to thwart both its formation and its
progress, using every resource within their reach. Some time last year, they
seem to have realized they were only fueling suspicions this way, so Bush
grudgingly approved an "independent" investigation. The arrogance of this
bunch is so disabling, however, that they actually damaged their credibility
even further by naming Henry Kissinger to lead it. This is a man whose
dedication to "US interests" verges on homicidal psychosis (see his
treatment of Cambodians 1970, Chileans 1973, East Timorese and Kurds 1975,
MUCH more). He could only be expected to skew this investigation
accordingly, i. e., to omit and cover up any issue not conducive to empire
building. Ironically, even Henry had the sense to admit he was an
inappropriate choice, thus resigning from this duty, whereupon Bush
immediately returned to his original tactic of stonewalling (1). Could the
man possibly have something to hide?

To appreciate the ugliest possibilities of the 9-11 attack, one must first
become aware of the continuous practice of such manipulations by the entire
progression of American politicians. The need to cultivate this awareness is
itself an enigma: if you have the honesty to see this pattern at all, its
full enormity, emerging over time, will at some point cause your previous
ignorance to amaze you. Imagine living your entire life with an 800-pound
gorilla, then realizing one day it's not a sofa, after all. At the same
time, finding this enlightenment is challenging, because the relevant facts
are usually withheld from the public for decades, seldom appearing in
mainstream discourse even after they become common knowledge -- not because
of some grand conspiracy, but because legions of 'America Firsters,'
including most of the famous and powerful, simply don't want to hear it. The
telling of these facts is an affront to their most cherished political
assumptions. Invariably, they respond with hostile apologetics, ranging from
simple denial and ridicule to the claim that such incidents are random and
unrelated "mistakes." That they can sincerely believe this 'unrelated' claim
is remarkable, given the way it crushes into dust under any burden of
historical proof: America's state crimes have been ethically monstrous, vast
in both scale and number, unilateral in their aggression, virtually
uninterrupted in their chronology, and very coherent in both motive and
method. Certain themes just keep popping up:

1) Greed, particularly for territory;

2) Supremacism, driven only partly by race, perhaps more so by delusions of
national grandeur allowed to ramify without limit;

3) An enthusiasm for "total war" -- i. e., the indiscriminate butchery of
entire populations. This seems most likely to happen when "strategic"
territories, resources, or victories are at stake. That is, when those in
authority feel they "must win," and so discard principle to whatever extent
is necessary;

4) The systemic corruption and antidemocratic functioning of every level of
American government, made abundantly clear by its relations with sworn
enemies of the public interest, namely corporations;

5) The bid for global empire that has all but defined the American agenda
since W.W.II, in flagrant violation of democratic principle.

This last "US interest," discussed openly by flacks and shills only since
9-11 suspended all moral judgment on such matters, actually represents the
driving passion of our ruling elite, going all the way back to the
Revolution. Indeed, grasping the means of power, beginning with sovereign
domain, was their main motive for pursuing revolution at all. Starting then
and continuing ever since, they have whipped the people up to support their
warped appetites, even as they have misrepresented them spectacularly. EVERY
SINGLE TIME we as a people have committed to a war of expansion, we have
been duped into doing so by their twin handservants, American politics and
American media:

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TOPIC: PRESS RELEASE |
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/fc3d58c4976f0af7
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 9:33 pm
From: "PM"

DIAZ-BALART REITERATES HIS OPPOSISITION TO
UNILATERAL CHANGES TO HELMS-BURTON
(Versión en español abajo)
PRESS RELEASE

For immediate publication
March 18, 2006 | 305-710-3625

Contact: Ana Carbonell
DIAZ-BALART REITERATES HIS OPPOSISITION TO UNILATERAL CHANGES TO
HELMS-BURTON

Miami, Florida - Congressman Lincoln Diaz-Balart(R-FL) issued the
following statement today in response to the article in today's The
Miami Herald, "Embargo law due for a tweak, says an author":

"Mr. Pablo Bachelet's article of March 18, 2006, "Embargo law due for a
tweak, says an author," inaccurately indicates that I support
unilaterally changing the Helms-Burton law. I strongly oppose and will
continue to oppose any unilateral changes to US law and policy. What I
have repeated hundreds of times since we codified the embargo in 1996,
and I repeated to Mr. Bachelet, is that there are three conditions that
must be met before there is any weakening, any change, in US law or
sanctions policy: the liberation of all political prisoners; the
legalization of all political parties, labor unions and the press; and
the scheduling of free and fair elections in Cuba. After those
conditions are met, as I stated to Mr. Bachelet, any changes needed to
current US law could be quickly made. I will continue to insist on those
three conditions and oppose all unilateral weakening of US sanctions,
precisely to prevent the possibility or acceptance of any illusory
"political reforms" on the island that do not include the return of
sovereignty to the Cuban people through multiparty elections."

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Para publicación inmediata
18 de marzo de 2006 305-710-3625

Contacto: Ana Carbonell

DIAZ-BALART REITERA SU OPOSICION A CUALQUIER CAMBIO UNILATERAL A LA LEY
HELMS-BURTON

Miami, Florida -- El Congresista Lincoln Díaz-Balart emitió hoy la
siguiente declaración en respuesta al artículo de hoy en El Nuevo
Herald, titulado "Legislador favorece cambios en la ley Helms-Burton":

"El articulo del Señor Pablo Bachelet del 18 de marzo de 2006,
"Legislador favorece cambios en la ley Helms-Burton" incorrectamente
indica que yo apoyo cambios unilaterales en la ley Helms-Burton. Yo me
opongo fuertemente, y continuare oponiéndome a cualquier cambio
unilateral a la ley del embargo de Estados Unidos hacia la dictadura
cubana. Lo que yo he dicho cientos de veces desde que codificamos el
embargo de Estados Unidos en la Ley Helms-Burton en 1996, y le repetí al
Señor Bachelet, es que hay tres condiciones que tienen que ser cumplidas
antes de que haya cualquier debilitamiento, cualquier cambio, en la ley
del embargo o la política de Estados Unidos hacia Cuba: la liberación de
todos los presos políticos; la legalización de todos los partidos
políticos, los sindicatos obreros y la prensa; y la convocatoria de
elecciones libres en Cuba. Una vez cumplidas esas tres condiciones, como
le dije al Señor Bachelet, cualquier cambio necesario a la ley se podrá
hacer con prontitud. Yo continuare insistiendo en las tres condiciones y
oponiéndome a todo cambio unilateral en la ley Helms-Burton,
precisamente para evitar la posibilidad o aceptación de cualquier
"reforma política" ilusoria en la isla que no incluya la devolución de
la soberanía al pueblo de Cuba a través de elecciones multipartidistas.

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TOPIC: Jew and Acuma Indians
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/388a752686295a38
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 2:49 am
From: "Mexican Bandolero"

"Salah Jafar" <codeman@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hQdTf.1541$Vx4.853@trnddc06...
Will call you Mama Mexican Dog, what is the famous Mexican dog, who say me
no like Taco. Your mother need lots of training, don't waste your time on
other. You mom need to learn Doggie style position.
SJ
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Come on Salah doggie.
Don't bark until I tell you so.
Sit still and don't move. Good doggie!
Now, roll over and play dead.! Impressive!!
You're learning fast, Salah doggie

Your next lesson is to make you beg!
Don't go away, Salah doggie.
MB

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TOPIC: The End Of Civilization
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d2baa9ec038dd4fd
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 6:52 pm
From: TUKA

["Followup-To:" header set to talk.politics.mideast.]
On 2006-03-19, Felix D. <#1Chekist@OGPU.org> wrote:
>
> "Islam Will Replace Collapsing Amerikan Empire"
><islam_to_replace_amerikan_empire@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:5QcTf.107$ji6.7327@news20.bellglobal.com...
>> The End Of Civilization
>>
>> By Dave Eriqat
>>
>> I had a mild epiphany the other day: it's not President Bush who's living
> in
>> a fantasy world, it's most of his critics who are. I'm no apologist for
>> Bush - I neither like nor dislike him. He's no more significant to me than
> a
>> fly buzzing around outside my window. So permit me to explain my
> reasoning.
>> Continued
>
>
> Let Islam win this one and it really will be the end of civilization. These
> ignorant savages can recite the Koran inside out and backwards, but go ahead
> and ask them to add two and two.
>
> No thanks. Islam is repression. Fuck it and fuck the believers.
>

They are just lucky our sensibilities have evolved with our science --
200 years ago we would have just exterminated the motherfuckers.

Unix version of an Outlook-style virus:
It works on the honor system. Please forward this message to everyone
you know, and delete a bunch of your files at random.

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TOPIC: La clásica caída de los mitos ..LISTA DE DELINCUENTES FUGITIVOS
PROTEGIDOS POR CASTRO EN CUBA...
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2e9d7b94d4b83ecf
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 6:33 pm
From: "PM"

LISTA DE DELINCUENTES FUGITIVOS PROTEGIDOS POR CASTRO EN CUBA

This is a list of fugitives that the FBI believes are currently
living in Cuba under the protection of the Castro

regime. Some of them have been accused of murder, others of
terrorism, air piracy and financial crimes:

Victor Gerena (New York) one of the FBI's Top Ten, is wanted for
the 1983 robbery of a Wells Fargo armored truck depot in

West Hartford, Connecticut. The FBI says on September 12, 1983,
Gerena took hostage two of his fellow Wells Fargo employees

escaped with $7 million dollars.

Joanne Chesimard is wanted for escaping from prison in Clinton, New
Jersey, while serving a life sentence for murder. On May 2, 1973,

Chesimard, who was part of a revolutionary activist organization
known as the Black Liberation Army, and two accomplices were stopped

for a motor vehicle violation on the New Jersey Turnpike by two
troopers with the New Jersey State Police. At the time, Chesimard
was

wanted for her involvement in several felonies, including bank
robbery. Chesimard and her accomplices opened fire on the troopers,

seemingly without provocation. One trooper was wounded and the other
was shot and killed execution-style at point-blank range. Chesimard

fled the scene, but was subsequently apprehended. One of her
accomplices was killed in the shoot-out and the other was also
apprehended and

remains in jail.

Robert Vesco (Michigan) He is charged in the United States

for bilking mutual funds investors of $224 million. Vesco fled to
Costa Rica

and later to Cuba, where he started several joint ventures with the
Castro

regime, but was later sent to jail by Castro when he tried to become
more

independent and cut the Cuban regime out of the deals.

Michael Finney(California) [Republic of New Africa] See this
article: http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/cuba/hill.htm
Ralph Goodwin (Illinois) See this article:
http://www.cubanet.org/CNews/y00/feb00/07e17.htm

Charlie Hill (Maryland) [Republic of New Africa, killed a cop in
New Mexico]
James Patterson (Michigan) Air Piracy
William Palm (Missouri) ESCAPE; AIDING & ABETTING
Clinton Smith (Cuba) Air Piracy
Richard Linares (Cuba) Escape
John Marques (Louisiana)

Theresa Grosso (California)
William Lee Brent shot two police officers and hijacked a plane in
June 1969
Oreste Bello (Cuba)
Cosme Iglesia (Cuba)
Barbara Alvarez (Cuba)
Ofelia Bernardo (Cuba)
Jose Bernardo Tunon (Cuba)
Ernest Ferrero (Cuba)
Fidel Rego Otano (Cuba)
Vincente Rego Otano (Cuba)
Nacasio Delgado (Cuba)
Miguel Sanchez (Cuba)
Ricardo Coro (Cuba)
Rosalino Rodriguez Cabria (Cuba)
George Wright Virginia
Jose Montero (Cuba)
Hector Ochoa (Cuba)
William Potts (unknown)
Mario Fonseca (Cuba)
Divaldo Rojas Reyes (Cuba)
Wilfredo Oquendo (Cuba)
Eduardo Salgado (Cuba)
Roberto Salgado (Cuba)
Carlos Arias Valdez (Cuba)
Marino Samon (Cuba)
Rolando Cadenas (Cuba)
Silvio Cabrera (Cuba)
Crecencio Zamora (Cuba)
Sergio Rojas (Cuba)
Juan Garcia (Cuba)
Robert Gracial (Cuba)
Ciro Granda (Cuba)
Santiago Guerra Valdez (Cuba)
Patrick Latortue (unknown)
Ramon Delgado (Cuba)
Hector Gonzalez (Cuba)
Daniel Abad (Cuba)
Brian Wilson (Cuba)
Joaquin Babin Estrada (Cuba)
Miguel Aguiar (Cuba)
Rogelio Leyva (Cuba)
Roberto Aguiar (Cuba)
Jose Caballero (Cuba)
Eduardo Jiminez (Colombia)
Gilberto Calero (Cuba)
Ambrosa Montfort (Georgia)
Luis Soltren (Puerto Rico)
Catherine Kerkow (Oregon)
Antajares Payano (Dominican Republic)
Ishmael Ali (Virgin Islands) [convicted of multiple murders in the
Virgin Islands]
Cheri Dalton (New York)
Miguel Toledo (Cuba)
Nelson Molina (Cuba)
Rafaele Minichiello (Italy)
Felix Coolin (Dominican Republic)
Manuel Vargas Agueros (Cuba)
Armando Diaz La Rossa (Cuba)
Esmeraldo Ramirez Castaneda (Cuba)
Jose Garcia Sanchez (Cuba)
Pedro De Quesada (Cuba)
Rigoberto Gonzalez Sanchez (Cuba)
Ramon Martin (Cuba)
Jesus Armenteros (Cuba)
Gilberto Carrazana Y Gonzalez (unknown)
Donald Rider (North Dakota)
Francis Teroll (New York)

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TOPIC: Estamos en los umbrales de una crisis más grave que la de Irak: es el
conflicto armado que se avecina con Irán
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d4459b4bacbb422c
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 6:35 pm
From: "PM"

CUBA
Y LA INEVITABLE CRISIS
CON IRAN

Por Ernesto F. Betancourt
El Nuevo Herald
Miami. Florida ,E.U.
Infosearch:
Celso Sarduy Agüero
Jefe de Buró Cono Sur/Sudamérica
Dept. de Investigaciones
La Nueva Cuba
Marzo 18, 2006

Estamos en los umbrales de una crisis más grave que la de Irak: es el
conflicto armado que se avecina con Irán por sus intentos de adquirir armas
nucleares. La credibilidad de los Estados Unidos está seriamente debilitada
por la intervención en Irak. Por otra parte, las declaraciones arrogantes y
francamente lunáticas de los líderes iraníes han dado a la administración de
Bush la justificación para actuar. Pero el enredo en Irak, y el costo en
vidas y hacienda del mismo, han hecho a la opinión pública americana mucho
más cautelosa. En este caso, Cuba puede verse comprometida en el conflicto.

El 28 de marzo son las elecciones en Israel. El liderazgo político israelí
está paralizado a resultas del estado de salud de Ariel Sharon. Pero jamás,
desde su fundación, se ha visto la existencia de Israel en mayor peligro.
Por un lado la victoria electoral de Hamas ha llevado al poder en Palestina
a un grupo terrorista cuyos estatutos plantean la destrucción de Israel como
meta. Y, por el otro, el Presidente de Irán ha dicho sin ambigüedades de
ninguna clase que Israel debe ser destruido. Esto en momentos en que desafía
al mundo en aras de obtener armas nucleares.

Tanto el MOSAD, la agencia de inteligencia israelí, como el Ministerio de
Defensa de ese país, han declarado que es inaceptable que Irán desarrolle
una capacidad nuclear militar. Por ese motivo han tomado las medidas
necesarias para destruir las instalaciones dispersas y bajo tierra en las
cuales Irán desarrolla un febril programa nuclear. Esta dispersión se ha
producido para evitar una repetición del exitoso ataque israelí contra el
incipiente programa nuclear de Irak a principios de los ochenta. Pero Israel
tiene planes para contrarrestarla. Y las fuerzas armadas israelíes son muy
capaces.

Además, después del 11 de septiembre Estados Unidos proclamó la doctrina
Bush en la lucha contra el terrorismo. Bajo esta doctrina, Estados Unidos se
reserva el derecho de actuar en forma preventiva contra cualquier estado que
constituya una amenaza terrorista para la seguridad del pueblo americano. Lo
cual constituye una innovación en derecho internacional, ya que la doctrina
que prevalecía antes de esa fecha solamente daba derecho a toda nación a
responder a un ataque sin antes acudir a Naciones Unidas, pero no a la
acción preventiva. Lógicamente, ante una amenaza de ataque nuclear o con
armas biológicas o químicas no es aceptable a ningún gobernante esperar a
que se produzca el ataque para responder. El precio sería demasiado alto.

En un libro reciente, Preemption, A Knife that Cuts both Ways, Alan M.
Dershowitz, un distinguido profesor de derecho de Harvard, discute a fondo
la génesis y las implicaciones de esta nueva doctrina. A la luz de la lógica
jurídica explicada por el profesor Dershowitz, los planteamientos hechos
recientemente por los dirigentes iraníes, tanto en cuanto a Israel como en
cuanto a Estados Unidos, justifican ampliamente la aplicación de la doctrina
preventiva por parte de ambos países en contra de Irán. Pero, ¿por qué meto
yo a Cuba en este pastel?

Lamentablemente, Fidel Castro, en su afán de protagonismo internacional,
tuvo a bien aliarse con Irán después de la desintegración del bloque
soviético. Esa alianza incluyó el suministro por Cuba a Irán de una
capacidad en biotecnología en la forma de un centro completo de producción
de material biotecnológico. De ser necesario, este centro podría producir
elementos para armas biológicas. Esto fue denunciado, en su oportunidad, por
el Dr. José de la Fuente, quien fuera director de desarrollo del Centro de
Biotecnología de Cuba, actualmente profesor de la Universidad de Oklahoma.
Pero Fidel no se limitó a equipar ese centro, sino que viajó a Irán, donde
invitó a su gobierno a unirse a Cuba para ``poner de rodillas a Estados
Unidos''.

Si Irán usa armas biológicas del centro de biotecnología construido por Cuba
para agredir a Estados Unidos y Fidel, ratificando la invitación que hizo
durante su viaje, se suma a esa agresión, la aplicación de la doctrina
preventiva pudiera extenderse a Cuba. Por eso, cuando los líderes iraníes
amenazan con que van a causar daños a Estados Unidos, nosotros debemos
preocuparnos no tan sólo por Estados Unidos, sino por Cuba. Hay que demandar
a Fidel que renuncie a esa alianza.

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* Ernesto F. Betancourt es economista y analista de temas cubanos. Fue
Director de Radio Martí.

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www.cubaverdad.net

http://ctp.iccas.miami.edu/

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TOPIC: Jobs That Americans Won't Do ?? Think Again
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5f87ba45eaeed9fb
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 6:54 pm
From: "Popeye"

"Dan Mercer" <dmercer@mn.rr.com> wrote in message
news:d0hTf.17679$iR1.6119@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...

> The Aerostar had design problems.

What car doesn't?

I promote Chevrolet trucks, and they've been unable to design a functional
ball joint or idler arm for 30 years.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 6:56 pm
From: "Popeye"

"Victor Smith" <victorfsmith@earthlink.com> wrote in message
news:4q5r125p25oie5b5v02u5jadlah84h84tb@4ax.com...

> Maybe, but he sure as hell doesn't have a problem selecting a vehicle.
> And why the hell are you responding to this post instead of the one
> where HE DID GIVE YOU ADVICE.

I didn't realize that she was the same bimbo as adme@aol.

I think she killfiled me before she saw the second post.

At any rate, if she was the on that stated "most mechanics are crooks", I
hope she dies, and I'm glad she missed my advice.

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