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* "Salad Bar" is a slow learner! BAD DOGGIE! BAD DOGGIE! BAD, BAD .... - 4
messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e8403aabe2a4928c
* Why Women Want Abortions = TROLL ALERT - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/dba0953b7018e785
* JABRIOL Thread: Comments from abortionists - TROLL ALERT! - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d80e56ae0dae1162
* [Fwd: Major Changes Raise Concerns on Pension Bill] - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/eb27b3aa59fa531d
* MORE GENOCIDE - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6d4b604207696c3e
* It's Hard Out Here For Some Blacks To Understand OSCARZ Award For Pimp Song -
1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/3d457b28e7c423a1
* What's Israel done for America, lately... ever? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/67529f7111b6b0a2
* REFUTING ZIONAZI BULLCRAP! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ab5906e150618bf5
* GOD'S "CHOSEN" ARE THE BIGGEST LIARS ON EARTH! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a566e5ce647496b
* Thich Nhat Hanh on the news (Mar 18, 2006) (fwd) - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/867f152585a60b76
* "Baseball Players, Yes - Castro No !!! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ddf17b29dfecda8
* US Wars: Mainly bombing wars and hiring natives to fight other natives - 2
messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/85aaaa36168c87db
* why are asians called "charlie"? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/8249037c7ec7dd83
* Smoke free fascist California - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/3c6b3f7d883bfb0a
* Afghan Man Sentenced to Death for Converting - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/bd295e44b8e99935
* Where are all the great ruins of the Negro nations? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5cfe37852f40f77c
* Why cooperation works better than competition - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/59420b7ac5f9f678

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TOPIC: "Salad Bar" is a slow learner! BAD DOGGIE! BAD DOGGIE! BAD, BAD ....
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e8403aabe2a4928c
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 2:59 am
From: "Mexican Bandolero"

"Salah Jafar" <codeman@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:_A6Tf.1774$gD4.980@trnddc05...
Why would I run away from a cock sucker. It is always pleasure to have your
lips around the knob.
SJ
_________________________________________________________________________________
Good Salah doogie boy!
Sit still and don't move.Good doogiee!
Now, follow my hand with your eyes. Veerrryy good..
Come on dooggiie, roll over and play dead.

You next trick is to make you beg.
Don't go away, Salah Doggiee.!!!
MB

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 3:02 am
From: "Mexican Bandolero"

"Salah Jafar" <codeman@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bA6Tf.1772$gD4.1038@trnddc05...
Dogs is how Hitler treated Jews, Do what been done to you is very difficult
to duplicate. Personally I will treat the pigs better than I will treat
Jews. The ovens await you son of Bitches.
SJ

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Shut up, Salah dogggiieee!
Don't bark until you are told.
Just sit still and pay attention to your doggie lesson.
Now, roll over and play dead! Good doogiee

You're learning fast Salah Doggie.
MB

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 3:41 am
From: "Salah Jafar"

How is your mother? is she been good,
SJ

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 3:44 am
From: "Salah Jafar"

how is your mother doing boy? Did she learn new tricks for daddy Salah. I like to play with you mother fofo.
SJ

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TOPIC: Why Women Want Abortions = TROLL ALERT
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/dba0953b7018e785
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 9:06 pm
From: "Sadie O'Grady"

"ÐoÖoZ" another stolen nyn SOCK-PUPPET <darth.gantz@gmail.com> aka the troll
JABRIOL wrote in message
news:1142816843.201807.7750@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... .........
snip!

I wonder who is so obsessed with *CAROL* that he's now using her nym? Why
it's the cross-posting troll JABRIOL passing as a woman again!!!!!

Sadie
How many people were killed in the name of Evolution? How many were
killed in the name of God? No contest. Nothing good has come from
Christianity except to make undertakers, tombstone makers and cemetery
owners rich.
~~~<~~~<~~~<~~~<~~~<~~~<~~~<~~~<~~~<~~~<~~~<~~~{~~~{@

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TOPIC: JABRIOL Thread: Comments from abortionists - TROLL ALERT!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d80e56ae0dae1162
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 9:10 pm
From: "Sadie O'Grady"

PLEASE REPLY TO JABBERS in your own NG only.

Thanks bunches!

<JhemHaddar@gmail.com>AKA JABRIOL wrote in message
news:1142802186.885323.259120@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> BERNARD NATHANSON, M.D., once head of New York's now defunct first
> and busiest abortion clinic, did a dramatic turnabout as he said: "I
> became convinced that as director of the clinic I had in fact presided
> over 60,000 deaths." He added: "To vehemently deny that life begins
> when conception begins is absurd!"
>

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TOPIC: [Fwd: Major Changes Raise Concerns on Pension Bill]
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/eb27b3aa59fa531d
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 3:06 am
From: "F. H."

no name wrote:

> Major Changes Raise Concerns on Pension Bill
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/19/business/19pension.html?_r=1&oref=login

> "The Senate advice provision does little more than restate current law," he
> said, "which has left workers to fend for themselves without the type of
> quality advice they so desperately need."

Not to fear. Just privatize. Hand everything over to Wall Street and
sleep like a baby.

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TOPIC: MORE GENOCIDE
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6d4b604207696c3e
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 3:10 am
From: "Pathfinder"

you have no idea what genocide is. ask the armenians..they can tell you all
about the muslem genocide against the christian armenians.

"serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:AxoTf.1177$4Q.472@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
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> · Two US troops reported killed in Resistance bombing west of
> al-Hadithah.
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> · Resistance bombing in southwestern Baghdad leaves US soldier
> reported dead.
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> · US SAMARRA' OFFENSIVE CONTINUES.
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> · For second straight day US forces on Sunday prevent aid from Red
> Crescent, UAE Humanitarian Organization from getting to victims of
> American Samarra' offensive.
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> · Villagers near Samarra' beat up "disgusting" reporter for puppet
> government TV station who "did't tell the truth."
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> · US troops, backed by pro-US Shi'i sectarian forces, make hundreds
> of arrests in their offensive against the people of the Samarra' area,
> including wives and children of "wanted" men.
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> · Five US troops reported killed in Resistance attack in
> ad-Dulu'iyah at dawn Sunday. US troops respond by murdering six local
> civilians.
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> · Two US troops reported killed in Resistance bombing south of
> Tikrit.
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> · Mysterious rocket explodes near Shi'i pilgrimage site as US, UK
> continue efforts to spark sectarian conflict in Iraq.
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> · Resistance bomb reportedly kills four British troops in
> an-Nasiriyah.
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 10:21 pm
From: "serwad"

"Pathfinder" <muslems@andcommunists.com> wrote in message
news:t2pTf.7438$k75.6791@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> you have no idea what genocide is. ask the armenians..they can tell you
> all about the muslem genocide against the christian armenians.

You have no idea about the Armenian genocide, nor who in fact comitted it!

1. That the so-called "holocaust" and the "six million" story originated
from the Zionists themselves and not from any government authority or any
other independent source.

2. That neither the February 1945 Yalta Conference (the summit of the three
leaders of Russia, US, and Britain), nor the Vatican, nor even the
International Red Cross, spoke out against any "holocaust" or "the six
million" legend, and none of them had any reason to.

3. That none of the three major personal World War II memoirs of either the
one written by French leader Charles de Gaulle, or that of the British
leader Winston Churchill, or even that of the American leader Dwight D.
Eisenhower, mentioned anything about any "holocaust".

4. That the post-World War II Nuremberg war crime trials in Germany, which
automatically "accepted" the Zionist claim of the "six million" figure, were
nothing more than partial and biased political prosecutions by the
victorious powers.

5. That the only so-called "confession" to "burning and gassing live Jews"
came from only one person on April 5 1946 - Nazi Auschwitz commandant
Colonel Rudolf Franz Hoess (or Hoss) - after he was tortured by six British
military police intelligence officers as one of them, sergeant Bernard
Clarke, later admitted.

6. That the best estimate of the total number of Jews who died or were
killed (not "gassed" or "incinerated") in and out of the German terrible
concentration camps lost their lives either from Nazi brutalities,
starvation, diseases, war-related causes, or other reasons, ranges from
300,000 to 500,000 (and not 6 millions). It should be indicated here that
during World War II about 74 million people died, the overwhelming majority
of whom were non-Jews, including the atomically bombed/incinerated civilians
of the entire two Japanese cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

The late French geographer Paul Rassinier (nicknamed "the father of
holocaust revisionism"), who was elected in 1945 as a Socialist to the
French National Assembly, published in 1948 a book titled: Le Passage de la
Ligne ("Crossing the Line") in which he recounted his horrible experiences
as an interned left-wing political prisoner in the German concentration
camps of Buchenwald and Dora between 1943 and 1945. In this book and in many
others that followed it, such as The Holocaust Story and the Lies of
Ulysses, Rassinier strongly refuted the "holocaust," the "gas chambers," and
the "six million" figure.

While completely rejecting the claim of the "extermination" of Jews by the
Nazis, Rassinier generously estimated that perhaps a million Jews might have
perished [4] (a figure considered too high by many other holocaust refuters)
due to many causes between 1933 and 1945 as a result of direct and indirect
various brutal Nazi policies such as the turmoil of Jewish deportations,
harsh labor conditions, internment camps, malnutrition, diseases, epidemics,
and more importantly World War II itself.

Another French, Dr. Robert Faurisson, a former Professor at the Universite
de Lyon, also rejected the so-called Nazi "holocaust"; challenged anyone to
draw or show a "Nazi gas chamber"; described the famous Diary of Anne Frank
as a hoax; and called the Washington, DC Holocaust Memorial Museum "an
historical fiasco".

Incidentally, while there is a Holocaust Memorial Museum in the US for the
presumed "six million gassed" Jews by Nazi Germany, there are nowhere in the
US any holocaust memorial museums, reparations, or even words of apology for
either Native Americans or Black Americans who were slaughtered like animals
by the tens of millions at the hands of Euro-Americans during the largest
real holocaust the world has ever seen. In the words of the American
professor Ward Churchill, "All told, it is probable that more than one
hundred million native people were 'eliminated' in the course of Europe's
ongoing 'civilization' of the Western Hemisphere". [5] Another American
professor, David E. Stannard, writes that between 40-60 million black
Africans lost their lives in the brutalities of the Euro-Americans slavery
system. [6]

In his well researched and documented book, The Hoax of the Twentieth
Century: The Case Against the Presumed Extermination of European Jewry, Dr.
Arthur R. Butz explained that during World War II even US State Department
officials, such as J. Breckenridge Long and associates, "... considered all
the talk about 'exterminations' to be just wartime propaganda invention, in
the same spirit as the stories invented during World War I." [7] In Dr.
Butz's words, "The 'gas chambers' were wartime propaganda fantasies
completely comparable to the garbage that was shoveled out by Lord Bryce and
associates in World War I." [8]

Dr. Butz also indicated that the total number of inmates in the entire
German concentration camp system, Jews and non-Jews (since there were no
camps specifically for Jews alone), was about 224,000 in 1943 and 524,000 in
1944. [9] Moreover, Dr; Butz pointed out that Heinrich Himmler, the second
most powerful man in Nazi Germany (who supposedly "committed suicide" by
"poisoning himself" on May 23, 1945, while in British captivity), had
explained a few weeks before the end of World War II in an interview with a
representative of the World Jewish Congress that:

"In order to put a stop to the [typhus] epidemics, we were forced to burn
the bodies of incalculable numbers of [dead] people who had been destroyed
by disease. We were therefore forced to build crematoria, and on this
account they are knotting a noose for us." [10]

Finally, Dr. Butz proved that there was no direct Nazi tangible documentary
evidence of any kind for an "extermination" program. He indicated that even
Dr. Aryeh Leon Kubovy of the Israeli Center for Jewish Documentation in
Tel-Aviv admitted in 1960 that "there exists no document signed by Hitler,
Himmler or Heydrich speaking of exterminating the Jews and ... the word
'extermination' does not appear in the letter from Goering to Heydrich
concerning the final solution of the Jewish question." [11]

Also, in her 1968 book Le systeme concentrationnaire nazi, French Jewish
author Olga Wurmser-Migot writes:

"Just as there exists no ... order of extermination by gas at Auschwitz,
there exists no order to stop in November 1944. Neither at the Nuremberg
trial, nor during the course of marginal trials nor at the Hess trial in
Cracow, nor of Eichman in Israel, nor at the trial of the camp commanders
nor at the Frankfurt November 1945 - August 1946 trial of secondary
Auschwitz figures, was the famous order signed by Himmler on 22 November
1944 on the end of the extermination of Jews by gas ever found, the order
putting an end to the Final Solution." [12]

Moreover, in his book The Six Million Swindle: Blackmailing the German
People for Hard Marks with Fabricated Corpses, Dr. Austin J. App, the late
American Professor of English literature at the University of Scranton and
LaSalle College, explained the following four vital points: [13]

1. That Hitler's so-called "Final Solution" to the Jewish problem was
not "annihilation" but rather deportation or expulsion from Germany, which
was approved with the open cooperation and encouragement of the Zionists
themselves who wanted German Jews to join other Jews from around the world
to leave their own native countries in order to settle-colonize Palestine (a
Zionist plan since 1897 and in accordance with the 1917 British Balfour
Declaration).

2. That absolutely no live person (Jew or non-Jew) was ever "gassed" or
"burned" in any German concentration camp, including Auschwitz (allegedly
the main "extermination" center).

3. That the Jews who lost their lives while in Nazi hands either died
of epidemics and/or killed because they were subversives, spies, saboteurs,
criminals, or otherwise victims of unfortunate but internationally legal
reprisals.

4. That the Zionists and their American sympathizers, in and out of the
American media and motion picture industry, who constantly use the figure of
"six million" have failed to offer even a shred of evidence to prove their
charge.

In addition, other Western writers have confuted holocaust story claims.
Among them are the following two Americans: World War II Colonel John Beaty
of the US Military Intelligence Service of the War Department who ridiculed
the "six million" legend in his book Iron Curtain Over America, and Dr.
David Leslie Hoggan, a former Professor at the University of California at
Berkeley. Also, among British historians who have denied the "holocaust" are
the following two: Best-selling author David Irving, and Richard E. Harwood
who wrote a book in 1974 titled: Did Six Million Really Die?The Truth at
Last [14]. At least three German scholars refuted the "holocaust." These
include Dr. Wilhelm Staeglich who wrote Auschwitz: A Judge Looks at the
Evidence, Emil Aretz who wrote Hexen-Einmal-Eins einer Luege ("The Witches'
Multiplication Table is a Lie"), and Thies Christophersen who wrote Die
Auschwitz Luege ("The Auschwitz Lie").

Among the Japanese holocaust deniers are the following two: Dr. Masanori
Nishioka who wrote an illustrated ten-page feature article titled: "The
Greatest Taboo of Postwar History: There Were No Nazi Gas Chambers" in the
Japanese magazine Marco Polo (February, 1995), and best-selling Japanese
writer Masami Uno who described the "holocaust" and The Diary of Anne Frank
as lies.

Other prominent holocaust deniers include the following two Canadians,
publisher Ernst Zundel, and geologist and aerial photography expert John
Ball; Swiss right-wing educator Jurgen Graf; Italian document expert Carlo
Mattogno [15]; and Roger Garaudy, a leftist French writer and former member
of the French Communist Party whose book, Les mythes fondateurs de la
politique israelienne ("The Founding Myths of the Israeli Policy") was
published in 1995 in Paris by the leftist writer and publisher Pierre
Guillaume. [16]

Beside the already-mentioned Jewish author Olga Wurmser-Migot, there are
some other Western Jews who have also categorically denied that the Nazi
government ever carried out or even contemplated the "gassing" of Jews.
These include Swedish publisher Ditleib Felderer of the Jewish Information
Bulletin, American David Cole, and German scholar Joseph Ginsburg. [17]

In fact, people who dispute the "holocaust" are found even in Hollywood
itself where Jews established all of the major film studios such as
Columbia, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, Paramount, Twentieth-Century Fox, Universal,
and Warner Brothers. [18] For example, in a 1983 interview with Esquire
magazine, the late prominent American actor, Robert Mitchum, scoffed at the
so-called "holocaust". When asked about the "slaughter of six million Jews"
by the Nazis, Mitchum answered: "So the Jews say, ... People dispute that."
[19]

5. Conclusion

There is no doubt whatsoever that it was from this so-called "holocaust"
(more than anything else) that Zionism has gained its wide popular
acceptance and sympathy throughout the west. This in turn led to the brutal
creation of the alien State of Israel over the land of Arab Palestine in
1948 at the extremely tragic expense of its innocent Muslim and Christian
natives.

In conclusion, however, whether the Nazis killed one single Jew or 6 million
Jews (by whatever method or means), the Germans - and certainly not the
Palestinian Arabs - should have paid the price for this so-called
"holocaust". Rationally speaking, any part of Germany (and not Palestine)
should have been the site for the creation of this brutal, illegitimate, and
illegal Jewish/Zionist State of Israel, which has been causing much death
and misery to the Arabs.

____________________________________________________

Notes:

1. Arthur R. Butz, The Hoax of the Twentieth Century: The Case Against the
Presumed Extermination of European Jewry (Newport Beach, California:
Institute for Historical Review, 1993), p. 80.

2. Ibid., p. 87.

3. See "66 Questions and Answers on the Holocaust," (Newport Beach,
California: Institute of Historical Review, 1995).

4. Butz, The Hoax of the Twentieth Century, p. 17.

5. Ward Churchill, Indians are Us? Culture and Genocide in Native North
America (Monroe, Maine: Common Courage Press, 1994), p. 30.

6. David E. Stannard, American Holocaust: The Conquest of the New World (New
York: Oxford University Press, 1992), p. 151.

7. Butz, The Hoax of the Twentieth Century, p. 63.

8. Ibid. p. 240.

9. Ibid. p. 36.

10. Quoted in ibid., p. 240.

11. Quoted in ibid., p. 19.

12. Quoted in Roger Garaudy, The Founding Myths of the Israeli Policy (USAR
Publishing Group: IPP Printers & Publishers, 1997), pp. 48-49.

13. See Austin J. App, The Six Million Swindle: Blackmailing the German
People for Hard Marks With Fabricated Corpses (Takoma Park, Maryland:
Boniface Press, 1973).

14. Richard E. Harwood, Did Six Million Really Die? The Truth at Last
(Brighton, Sussex England: Historical Review Press, 1974).

15. For more details on the mentioned authors and their positions, which are
beyond the scope of this article, see the deliberations of the Twelfth
International Revisionist Conference on the "Holocaust" held on September
3-5, 1994 in Irvine, California, organized by The Institute for Historical
Review, Newport Beach, California.

16. Garaudy, The Founding Myths.

17. Butz The Hoax of the Twentieth Century, p. 11-12.

18. See Jewish author Neal Gabler, An Empire of Their Own: How the Jews
Invented Hollywood (New York: Double Day [and Crown], 1988).

19. Barry Rehfeld, "Robert Mitchum Gives a Ran Interview," Esquire, February
1983, p. 56.

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TOPIC: It's Hard Out Here For Some Blacks To Understand OSCARZ Award For Pimp
Song
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/3d457b28e7c423a1
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 10:17 pm
From: Voice Of Reason <>

On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 20:17:37 -0800, Von Bailey
<ovbailey@noneofyourbusiness.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:13:54 -0500, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"It was a struggle for us last night because we wanted to root for the
>>>>>>>>blacks, but the blacks were pimps and hos on the Oscars, so it was
>>>>>>>>confounding," she said. "Image is everything, and we have to be so
>>>>>>>>careful about the way we position ourselves in front of larger
>>>>>>>>audiences."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Image is not everything and anyone with such a superficial concept of
>>>>>>>reality really should try harder at accumulating some depth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well alas not everyone in the `hood is as "deep" a thinker as you
>>>>>>believe yourself to be. Also some have at least a modicum of pride
>>>>>>and self-respect and don't wish to be associated in any way with
>>>>>>street thugs, pimps and hos. Imagine THAT.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Now all you have to do is explain why they are being associated with
>>>>>such people simply because some people sang a song on the television.
>>>>>Only bigots and racists would assume that black people are represented
>>>>>by that song and why should they care what bigots and racists think?
>>>>
>>>>IOW, they should drop their pride and self-respect.
>>>>
>>>The pride and self'respect of individual black people don't depend on
>>>the songs picked at the oscars. That's stupid on it's face and yet
>>>it's your usual best.
>>
>>No, it's NOT stupid at all. What's there to be proud of when someone
>>belonging to the same narrow demographic profile celebrates pimps and
>>hos? It's just like the black lady above said: " `It was a struggle
>>for us last night because we wanted to root for the blacks, but the
>>blacks were pimps and hos on the Oscars, so it was confounding,` she
>>said. `Image is everything, and we have to be so careful about the
>>way we position ourselves in front of largeraudiences.`"
>>
>>Yep, she gets it and you don't. Status quo for you.
>>
>Yes, she's worried about what white people will think and I'm not.

IOW, she's not ignorant, but you *are* ignorant, and you're proud of
it too.

>That would be something that would be high on your list of concerns,
>that black people worry about what other races (especially whites)
>will think of them.

Why should I care what they think?

>I'm not part of that crowd and quite frankly I'm
>pretty glad that more and more young black people feel the same way I
>do.

Proof? Did ya take a survey?

>>>>>>>>"The only place many people see our culture is through movies and on
>>>>>>>>television, and at the same time, this country is experiencing an
>>>>>>>>influx of people coming over here from all over the world, and the
>>>>>>>>only thing they see of black America through the media is . . . pimps
>>>>>>>>and gangsters and all of that. It's always some low-down brother or
>>>>>>>>some welfare mother."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why should anyone be concerned about people who gets their information
>>>>>>>about a very diverse culture of people from the television?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>See above.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I did. You didn't explain why they should be concerned, you assume
>>>>>they should be concerned without saying why.
>>>>
>>>>Wrong, I did.
>>>>
>>>
>>>No you didn't. You made your usual bigotted assumption that black
>>>people as a whole should feel some responsibility for the actions of a
>>>few. Yet you don't seem to hold white people responsible as a whole
>>>for similar manifestations of social behavior in your own race. The
>>>duplicity of such a stance fits your usual hypocrisy and the logic
>>>your usual stupidty.
>>
>>Because there are nearly as many "white" stereotypes.
>>
>...and you don't hold whites responsible as a whole for any of them.
>You reserve that duplicity for people of color.

In fact, I can't think of many stereotypes applying to whites in
general, and those few that do exist are relatively trivial.

>>>>>>>>Particularly offensive to Robinson, 36, was the performance by hip-hop
>>>>>>>>group Three 6 Mafia, featuring men dressed as pimps and women in the
>>>>>>>>hot pants and rabbit furs of streetwalkers. "I have no problem with
>>>>>>>>movies and songs being gritty," she said, "but I have a problem with
>>>>>>>>something that falls just short of a minstrel show."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Then he shouldn't be watching. That's what the television dial is
>>>>>>>for. I managed not to look at it at all and it didn't affect my life
>>>>>>>in the least.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Guess what, I didn't watch the show either, not one minute. But the
>>>>>>problem is that over 30 million Americans *did* tune in. And they saw
>>>>>>Hollyweed give them a minstrel show. You've come a long way since
>>>>>>MLK baby?
>>>>>>
>>>>>Sure have and as such I don't have to worry about bigots such as
>>>>>yourself using television shows as a representation of me as a black
>>>>>person. Many people are aware that there is a difference between a
>>>>>television awards show and reality and the numbers grow daily.
>>>>
>>>>On the latter point, yes there's some truth to that. Still, any
>>>>self-respecting black leader should have been complaining to Hollywood
>>>>the next day.
>>>
>>>...as if you know what a self-respecting black person would do.
>>
>>Yes, I do. It's the same as a self-respecting member of any other
>>group would do when someone tries to cash in on a negative stereotype
>>of that group.
>>
>Then you would realize that your self-respect is not defined by what
>someone else is doing and it wouldn't bother you in the least. Self
>respect is based on what you as an individual may or many ont do, not
>what people you don't even know is doing.

Except that if others who fit my narrow demographic slice do things
like self-destructive behavior, I'd be ashamed.

>>>>If an award had gone out to members of another group
>>>>who reinforced negative stereotypes, ya can be damn sure their leaders
>>>>would have been out in force on the airwaves the next day.
>>>
>>>Another of your ridiculous predictions about what would have happened
>>>if a different history existed.
>>
>>Except that this "ridiculous" prediction is pretty easy to make.
>>Whenever a show like The Sopranos gets awards, you will see
>>Italian-American leaders out in force the next day blasting that.
>>
>
>So what? Why do blacks as a whole have to act as Italian-Americans or
>in any monolithic way at all? Maybe Italian-Americans don't have more
>serious problems to deal with than what songs win at the oscars right
>now?

Sure, because there are generally very few pimps to be found in
predominantly Italian-American neighborhoods. Which allows them to
focus on other important matters.

And I'd bet that if a bunch of pimps, accompanied by their hos, showed
up soliciting on *your* block, you'd no longer be celebrating that
Oscar but reaching instead for the phone number of the local police
station.

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TOPIC: What's Israel done for America, lately... ever?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/67529f7111b6b0a2
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 7:33 pm
From: "Paul Hovnanian P.E."

Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
> On 19 Mar 2006 16:11:58 -0800, "Honest Aryan" <HA@volcanomail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Israeli officials frequently ignore US
> > requests and renege on promises (including pledges to stop building
> > settlements
>
> http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0202/p01s02-wome.html
>
> The decision to dismantle Amona, upheld by an Israeli court Wednesday
> after a predawn appeal, is one of the first steps Acting Prime
> Minister Ehud Olmert has taken to show that he is following in the
> footsteps of incapacitated Premier Ariel Sharon.
>
> Moves to rein in illegal West Bank outposts have generally won public
> approval in Israel. Olmert has suggested that he, like Mr. Sharon,
> remains committed to the road map for peace.

Until one of his own countrymen puts a bullet through his head, like
they did to Rabin.

Most of the Israelis (and Palestinians) realize that compromises must be
made to further peace in the region. Unfortunately, the current US
policy is to keep everyone in that part of the world off balance
politically. Supporting Israel (particularly the more radical Jewish
factions) is one good way of doing so.

--
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 3:22 am
From: Yosemite Sam

On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 19:33:18 -0800, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
<Paul@Hovnanian.com> wrote:

>Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>> On 19 Mar 2006 16:11:58 -0800, "Honest Aryan" <HA@volcanomail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Israeli officials frequently ignore US
>> > requests and renege on promises (including pledges to stop building
>> > settlements
>>
>> http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0202/p01s02-wome.html
>>
>> The decision to dismantle Amona, upheld by an Israeli court Wednesday
>> after a predawn appeal, is one of the first steps Acting Prime
>> Minister Ehud Olmert has taken to show that he is following in the
>> footsteps of incapacitated Premier Ariel Sharon.
>>
>> Moves to rein in illegal West Bank outposts have generally won public
>> approval in Israel. Olmert has suggested that he, like Mr. Sharon,
>> remains committed to the road map for peace.
>
>Until one of his own countrymen puts a bullet through his head,

You disgrace the Hovnanian hombuilding name.

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TOPIC: REFUTING ZIONAZI BULLCRAP!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ab5906e150618bf5
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 10:18 pm
From: "serwad"

1. That the so-called "holocaust" and the "six million" story originated
from the Zionists themselves and not from any government authority or any
other independent source.

Also, in her 1968 book Le systeme concentrationnaire nazi, French Jewish
author Olga Wurmser-Migot writes:

2. That absolutely no live person (Jew or non-Jew) was ever "gassed" or
"burned" in any German concentration camp, including Auschwitz (allegedly
the main "extermination" center).

5. Conclusion

____________________________________________________

Notes:

1. Arthur R. Butz, The Hoax of the Twentieth Century: The Case Against the
Presumed Extermination of European Jewry (Newport Beach, California:
Institute for Historical Review, 1993), p. 80.

2. Ibid., p. 87.

3. See "66 Questions and Answers on the Holocaust," (Newport Beach,
California: Institute of Historical Review, 1995).

4. Butz, The Hoax of the Twentieth Century, p. 17.

5. Ward Churchill, Indians are Us? Culture and Genocide in Native North
America (Monroe, Maine: Common Courage Press, 1994), p. 30.

6. David E. Stannard, American Holocaust: The Conquest of the New World (New
York: Oxford University Press, 1992), p. 151.

7. Butz, The Hoax of the Twentieth Century, p. 63.

8. Ibid. p. 240.

9. Ibid. p. 36.

10. Quoted in ibid., p. 240.

11. Quoted in ibid., p. 19.

12. Quoted in Roger Garaudy, The Founding Myths of the Israeli Policy (USAR
Publishing Group: IPP Printers & Publishers, 1997), pp. 48-49.

13. See Austin J. App, The Six Million Swindle: Blackmailing the German
People for Hard Marks With Fabricated Corpses (Takoma Park, Maryland:
Boniface Press, 1973).

14. Richard E. Harwood, Did Six Million Really Die? The Truth at Last
(Brighton, Sussex England: Historical Review Press, 1974).

16. Garaudy, The Founding Myths.

17. Butz The Hoax of the Twentieth Century, p. 11-12.

18. See Jewish author Neal Gabler, An Empire of Their Own: How the Jews
Invented Hollywood (New York: Double Day [and Crown], 1988).

19. Barry Rehfeld, "Robert Mitchum Gives a Ran Interview," Esquire, February
1983, p. 56.

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TOPIC: GOD'S "CHOSEN" ARE THE BIGGEST LIARS ON EARTH!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a566e5ce647496b
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 10:19 pm
From: "serwad"

1. That the so-called "holocaust" and the "six million" story originated
from the Zionists themselves and not from any government authority or any
other independent source.

Also, in her 1968 book Le systeme concentrationnaire nazi, French Jewish
author Olga Wurmser-Migot writes:

2. That absolutely no live person (Jew or non-Jew) was ever "gassed" or
"burned" in any German concentration camp, including Auschwitz (allegedly
the main "extermination" center).

5. Conclusion

____________________________________________________

Notes:

1. Arthur R. Butz, The Hoax of the Twentieth Century: The Case Against the
Presumed Extermination of European Jewry (Newport Beach, California:
Institute for Historical Review, 1993), p. 80.

2. Ibid., p. 87.

3. See "66 Questions and Answers on the Holocaust," (Newport Beach,
California: Institute of Historical Review, 1995).

4. Butz, The Hoax of the Twentieth Century, p. 17.

5. Ward Churchill, Indians are Us? Culture and Genocide in Native North
America (Monroe, Maine: Common Courage Press, 1994), p. 30.

6. David E. Stannard, American Holocaust: The Conquest of the New World (New
York: Oxford University Press, 1992), p. 151.

7. Butz, The Hoax of the Twentieth Century, p. 63.

8. Ibid. p. 240.

9. Ibid. p. 36.

10. Quoted in ibid., p. 240.

11. Quoted in ibid., p. 19.

12. Quoted in Roger Garaudy, The Founding Myths of the Israeli Policy (USAR
Publishing Group: IPP Printers & Publishers, 1997), pp. 48-49.

13. See Austin J. App, The Six Million Swindle: Blackmailing the German
People for Hard Marks With Fabricated Corpses (Takoma Park, Maryland:
Boniface Press, 1973).

14. Richard E. Harwood, Did Six Million Really Die? The Truth at Last
(Brighton, Sussex England: Historical Review Press, 1974).

16. Garaudy, The Founding Myths.

17. Butz The Hoax of the Twentieth Century, p. 11-12.

18. See Jewish author Neal Gabler, An Empire of Their Own: How the Jews
Invented Hollywood (New York: Double Day [and Crown], 1988).

19. Barry Rehfeld, "Robert Mitchum Gives a Ran Interview," Esquire, February
1983, p. 56.

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TOPIC: Thich Nhat Hanh on the news (Mar 18, 2006) (fwd)
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/867f152585a60b76
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 7:23 pm
From: "http://vmdd.tech.mylinuxisp.com/buddhism/"

I carried a small framed quote from Thich Nhat Hanh:
"There is no way to peace. Peace is the way."

Source: http://www.blueoregon.com/2006/03/the_cost_we_pay.html

======
TI: What's the best book you've read lately?

PH: "Being Peace" by Thich Nhat Hanh. He's a Vietnamese Buddhist
monk.
I was knocked over by his approach to living in the moment and living a
better life.

Source: http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/03182006/business/93338.htm

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TOPIC: "Baseball Players, Yes - Castro No !!!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ddf17b29dfecda8
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 7:28 pm
From: "Miguel"

Senecon.

Nadie tiene nada en contra de los peloteros cubanos. Ellos son
victimas del castro-fascismo como el resto del pueblo de Cuba. Quizas
ellos tengan unos cuantos
"perks" que el 99% de los cubanos no tienen. Sin embargo, aunque los
esbirros extranjeros del tirano, degenerados como tu, no lo sepan: No
solo de pan vive el hombre.
Seneca wrote:
> In Puerto Rico, we gave the Cuba team a wondeful welcome which led
> Yullesky Gurriel to say that he could feel the Puerto Rican love for Cuba.
> Our courageous sports leaders, both in baseball and the Olimpic Team told
> the United States, when they tried to exclude the Cuban team, that if Cuba
> did not play they would cance the hosting of the Classic in Puerto Rico.
>
> Cuba and Puerto Rico so de un pajaro las dos alas...

Tienes razon. Pero las alas son de luibertad y no de esclavitud
castro-fascista..
>
>
> It was fascinating to see the gusano exiles swearing at the Cuban team
> from the bleachers and to hear the deafening boo of the more than 19,000
> Boricuas. The crwo roared in disgust everytiem the gusanos interrupted the
> game.
>
> Asi no se gana amigos . . .

De que hablas mequetrefe?
>
> No te vistas gusanito que no vas . . . fi you are so brave, get on a boat
> and lan in bahia de cochino, Again!!!!

Que guapo eres! Y por que tu no convences, por medio del voto, a que
los puertorrique~nos voten por la independencia? Tienes la oportunidad
de cambiar se sistema si asi lo desean. El pueblo de Cuba no tiene esa
oportunidad. Si la tuviera, hace rato que hubiera sacado de paticas
para la calle a los esbirros de la tirania.
>
>
> On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:36:46 -0800, PM <pedro1940@progression.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > For Immediate Release En Español Abajo
> >
> > Press Release
> >
> > This Saturday, March 18, 2006, an International Protest will take place
> > at
> > several locations in the United States, including Miami, FL, as well as
> > in
> > Puerto Rico, Uruguay, Spain, France, Holland, Germany, and elsewhere,
> > against the frequent and violent repression of Cuban dissidents and
> > opposers
> > of the Castro regime, routinely carried out by agents of the regime.
> >
> > Vigilia Mambisa will participate on Saturday, at noon, at SW 8th Street
> > and
> > 36th Avenue, Miami, FL, for the purpose of supporting the International
> > Protest against the Castro regime, as well as protesting the presence of
> > the
> > Castro-Cuban baseball team in California, USA.
> >
> > We will have signs reading
> > "Baseball Players, Yes - Castro No !!!
> >
> >
> > and others supporting the subject of the International Protest.
> >
> > The time for Cuba's freedom has come!
> >
> > Miguel Saavedra, President
> > Vigilia Mambisa
> > 326-9986
> >
> > ************************
> >
> > Nota de Prensa
> >
> > Este sábado, el 18 de marzo, 2006, se lleva a cabo una Protesta
> > Internacional en varios sitios de los Estados Unidos, incluso en Miami,
> > así
> > como en Puerto Rico, Uruguay, España, Francia, Holanda, Alemania, y otros
> > paises, contra la frecuente represión violenta llevada a cabo
> > rutinariamente
> > por agentes del régimen de Castro en contra de disidentes y opositores
> > del
> > régimen
> >
> > Vigilia Mambisa participará este sábado, a las doce del mediodía, en la
> > SW 8
> > Calle y la 36 Avenida, Miami, FL, para apoyar la Protesta
> > Internacionalcontr
> > el régimen de Castro, así como para protestar la presencia en California,
> > EEUU, del equipo de pelota castrocomunista, con los lemas: "Peloteros Sí
> > -
> > Castro No- Abajo Fidel", y otros lemas en apoyo del propósito de la
> > Protesta
> > Internacional.
> >
> > ¡Para Cuba Ya Es Hora!
> >
> > Miguel Saavedra, Presidente
> > Vigilia Mambisa
> > 326-9986
> >
> > --
> > CUBA HOY, LA REALIDAD SIN PALABRAS:
> > http://www.netforcuba.org/InfoCuba-EN/CubainPictures/CubainPictures.htm
> >
> > HOSPITALES EN CUBA:
> > http://www.netforcubaenespanol.org/Enfoque/0035-SaludPublica-Cuba.htm
> >
> > Try living in a country controlled by a mad old man that is stuck in the
> > cold war:
> > www.cubaverdad.net
> >
> > http://ctp.iccas.miami.edu/
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

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TOPIC: US Wars: Mainly bombing wars and hiring natives to fight other natives
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/85aaaa36168c87db
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 20 2006 3:30 am
From: Chip Anderson

"B.T.World" <btrworld@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1142821052.689514.191500@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:

> (As in Vietnam, it is the same fallacy of more bombing and
> killing and setting up one group in an invaded nation to fight another
> group. Kill, divide and conquer?
>
> It will all be in vain, and Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Blair will go
> do down in history as mass murderers and war criminals. They
> started a war of choice and killed over a hundred thousand in a
> country they invaded illegally and immorally.
>
-->snip<--

Nice opinion and an interesting prognostication. It's too bad that it
doesn't jibe with the facts.

--
---
Chip

Oderint dum metuant
-Lucius Accius

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 7:59 pm
From: Defendario

Chip Anderson wrote:
> "B.T.World" <btrworld@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:1142821052.689514.191500@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>>(As in Vietnam, it is the same fallacy of more bombing and
>>killing and setting up one group in an invaded nation to fight another
>>group. Kill, divide and conquer?
>>
>>It will all be in vain, and Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Blair will go
>>do down in history as mass murderers and war criminals. They
>>started a war of choice and killed over a hundred thousand in a
>>country they invaded illegally and immorally.
>>
>
> -->snip<--
>
> Nice opinion and an interesting prognostication. It's too bad that it
> doesn't jibe with the facts.
>

WTF would a deluded Kultie like you know about facts?

IOW, you have no response to the facts outlined in the article, so you
snip them all away to focus on a point of opinion. Many reasonable
people have concluded that Bushler is a murderer and war criminal. The
proof of these fact has been made abundantly clear, to those who have
eyes to see. You are either a fool or a shill, Chippie.

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TOPIC: why are asians called "charlie"?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/8249037c7ec7dd83
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 7:36 pm
From: "Ira Humperdink MD "

wow, you must be marine. I used to be navy.

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TOPIC: Smoke free fascist California
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/3c6b3f7d883bfb0a
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 7:37 pm
From: Karel Kriz

In article <1142733309.864897.20910@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
kujebak@eudoramail.com wrote:

> Karel Kriz wrote:
> > In article <1142707236.762784.131620@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
> > "kujebak" <kujebak@eudoramail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > It will definitely come down to a fight between the tobacco nazis
> > > and the backyard BBQ crowd, as I'm sure a lot of these "anti-
> > > smoking" ordinances will eventually wind up in front of the Sup-
> > > reme Court. It is fixing be a monumental struggle, but don't
> > > forget, we have all the Mexicans on our side :-)
> > >
> > > > If cigar smoking Arnold has any logic left in his brain, he should find
> > > > a
> > > > way to legally declare this new Calabasas law illegal.
> > >
> > > Just imagine some weasely ACLU lawyer telling the "governator"
> > > to put it out :-)
> >
> > This just shows how poorly informed you really are. First, ACLU has no
> > policy on smoking. It is not one of the issues they are concerned about.
>
> Do you know for a fact they have never financed, or participated
> in *any* anti-smoking lawsuit? I seriously doubt it. Given ACLU's
> record of political activism, I think there is very little doubt where
> it stands on this issue.
What do you think I have here? A bunch of interns in short skirts doing
my research for me? No, I don't know for sure, but their current list of
issues does not list that. Go to http://www.aclu.org . I'll protect you
from any evil spirits that may want devour your soul while you are
there. Just mention my name and the vampires will give up.
>
> > Second, Arnold does not have a jurisdiction over a city level issue like
> > this. The courts may have, but the governor does not. As usual, you are
> > exaggerating this into a bigger deal then it actually is.
>
> I never meant to imply he did. However he does enjoy his stogies
> during official functions. I assume that means smoking in a public
> setting, like his office in the State House. He's the governor, right?
> He can do whatever hell he wants, can't he. And if he can, then
> why couldn't some sod on a beach in Malibu?

Well, there are privileges that go with a high public office. That's why
we don't commute to work in a private chopper.
>
> > over smoking has long been lost or won depending on your viewpoint. In
> > any case, you advocate outlawing homosexuality because it costs too much
> > money to care for AIDS patients at the same time you promote smoking.
> > That really makes a lot of sense. I call that kind of thinking pig logic.
>
> Would you be interested to know that I haven't smoked since
> I left the military in 1979. I'm married to a respiratory therapist ;-)
> But, of course, that's not the point here.

Does Mrs. Kujebak know your views on smoking?
>
> >
> > Personally, I have not smoked for ten years, although my wife does. I
> > think it's great to eat in restaurants that have clean air. It is a
> > gross a disgusting habit and if communities make a choice to ban it,
> > they should be allowed to do so. But, would I go and lobby our city
> > council to follow in Calabasas' footsteps? No, it is not that important
> > to me ...
>
> Well it is important to me, for the same reason why you think
> the ACLU is important. It is a matter of civil liberties and indi-
> vidual rights.

AHA, civil liberties, HUH? Maybe we can ask the ACLU to interfere with
this? Would you like that?
>
> >
> > Finally, next time you consider a "weasely" ACLU lawyer, remember that
> > without him your right to write your illogical comments in this group
> > may vanish without prior notice.
>
> Do you seriously think this country would immediately turn to
> authoritarianism if it weren't for the ACLU? No wonder you're
> such an ardent supporter ;-)

No, not instantly, but over time, yes, the freedoms would diminish. I
think it is important. But I am not active in the ACLU. I just send a
bit of cash now and then. Check out the site...its not as evil as you
think...

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TOPIC: Afghan Man Sentenced to Death for Converting
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/bd295e44b8e99935
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 8:41 pm
From: "Seeker" <4not_listed_due_to_spam_bots_121101@dont.reply>

"Mohd Kaffir" <fragrance28_693@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1142822076.783503.257410@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
> Seeker wrote:
>> "Mohd Kaffir" <fragrance28_693@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1142816666.653454.229280@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Seeker wrote:
>> >> <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1142810312.667284.210060@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>> >> > Seeker wrote:
>> >> >> <visualseeplus@yahoo.com> wrote ...
>> >> >> > Religion of Peace folks.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > KABUL, Afghanistan - An Afghan man who allegedly converted from
>> >> >> > Islam
>> >> >> > to Christianity is being prosecuted in a Kabul court and could be
>> >> >> > sentenced to death, a judge said Sunday.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Harami Hindu, you have such laws in India too where pain of death
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> imposed
>> >> >> on anyone converting out of Hinduism.
>> >> >
>> >> > There is no such law.
>> >>
>> >> I distinctly remembering reading about such a law in Tamil Nadu. Has
>> >> that
>> >> law been repealed?
>> >
>> > Really? Are you which universe you are talking about?
>>
>> On 5 October 2002, the state government of Tamil Nadu, India, issued an
>> ordinance that effectively (when interpreted according to Hindutva
>> ideology)
>> outlawed religious conversion.
>>
>> http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/10497.htm
>
> Where did it mention "death penalty"??

I don't know. I haven't read the whole thing. Besides it is common knowledge
how people are murdered in Indai for conversion.

>
> Also, you quoted an evangelical site, instead of a real news site.
> The law was about banning conversion by coercian and bribery.

And that site had a link to the indian site. It doesn't matter what, but in
India people don't have religious freedom to convert.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 8:42 pm
From: "Seeker" <4not_listed_due_to_spam_bots_121101@dont.reply>

"Mohd Kaffir" <fragrance28_693@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1142822230.621024.39910@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>
> Seeker wrote:
>> <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1142817577.136255.192420@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> > Seeker wrote:
>> >> <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote ...
>> >> > Seeker wrote:
>> >> >> <visualseeplus@yahoo.com> wrote ...
>> >> >> > Religion of Peace folks.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > KABUL, Afghanistan - An Afghan man who allegedly converted from
>> >> >> > Islam
>> >> >> > to Christianity is being prosecuted in a Kabul court and could be
>> >> >> > sentenced to death, a judge said Sunday.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Harami Hindu, you have such laws in India too where pain of death
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> imposed on anyone converting out of Hinduism.
>> >> >
>> >> > There is no such law.
>> >>
>> >> I distinctly remembering reading about such a law in Tamil Nadu.
>> >
>> > Death penalty for conversion? Such a law hasn't even been proposed in
>> > India. For a person to convert himself out of Hinduism (or any other
>> > religion) is not even a crime.
>> >
>> >> Has that law been repealed?
>> >
>> > If there was such a law in Muslim princely states, it has been repealed
>> > after they became part of India. There has never been such a law in
>> > non-Muslim states in India.
>>
>> These are Muslim princely states?
>>
>> The legislative history relating to the issue of conversion in India
>> underscores the point that the authorities concerned were never
>> favourably
>> disposed towards conversion. While British India had no anti-conversion
>> laws, many Princely States enacted anti-conversion legislation: the
>> Raigarh
>> State Conversion Act 1936, the Patna Freedom of Religion Act of 1942, the
>> Sarguja State Apostasy Act 1945 and the Udaipur State Anti-Conversion Act
>> 1946. Similar laws were enacted in Bikaner, Jodhpur, Kalahandi and Kota
>> and
>> many more were specifically against conversion to Christianity. In the
>> post-independence era, Parliament took up for consideration in 1954 the
>> Indian Conversion (Regulation and Registration) Bill and later in 1960
>> the
>> Backward Communities (Religious Protection) Bill, both of which had to be
>> dropped for lack of support. The proposed Freedom of Religion Bill of
>> 1979
>> was opposed by the Minorities Commission due to the Bill's evident bias.
>>
>> However, in 1967-68, Orissa and Madhya Pradesh enacted local laws called
>> the
>> Orissa Freedom of Religion Act 1967 and the Madhya Pradesh Dharma
>> Swatantraya Adhiniyam 1968. Along similar lines, the Arunachal Pradesh
>> Freedom of Religion Act, 1978 was enacted to provide for prohibition of
>> conversion from one religious faith to any other by use of force or
>> inducement or by fraudulent means and for matters connected therewith.
>> The
>> latest addition to this was the Tamil Nadu Prohibition of Forcible
>> Conversion of Religion Ordinance promulgated by the Governor on October
>> 5,
>> 2002 and subsequently adopted by the State Assembly. Each of these Acts
>> provides definitions of `Government', `conversion', `indigenous faith',
>> `force', `fraud', `inducement' (and in the case of Arunachal, that of
>> `prescribed and religious faith'). These laws made forced conversion a
>> cognisable offence under sections 295 A and 298 of the Indian Penal Code
>> that stipulate that malice and deliberate intention to hurt the
>> sentiments
>> of others is a penal offence punishable by varying durations of
>> imprisonment
>> and fines.
>>
>> As early as 1967, it became evident that the concern was not just with
>> forced conversion, but with conversion to any religion other than
>> Hinduism
>> and especially Christianity and Islam. In the Orissa and Madhya Pradesh
>> Acts, the punishment was to be doubled if the offence had been committed
>> in
>> respect of a minor, a woman or a person belonging to the Scheduled Caste
>> or
>> Scheduled Tribe community. These may be seen as further reinforcing the
>> several statutory penalties for ceasing to be a Hindu such as the 1955-56
>> Hindu Law enactments namely Hindu Minority and Guardianship Act 1956
>> (Section 6), Hindu Adoption and Maintenance Act 1956 (Sections 7, 8, 9,
>> 11,
>> 18-24), Hindu Marriage Act 1955 (Sections 13 (ii), 13 A) and the Hindu
>> Succession Act (section 26). The picture is complete if we account for
>> the
>> fact that most of these laws are aimed to keep the low caste Hindus
>> within
>> the fold of Hinduism. And so while law prohibits conversion,
>> `reconversion'
>> of low caste Hindus is permissible. If a low caste Hindu who had
>> converted
>> to another faith or any of his descendants reconverts to Hinduism, he
>> might
>> get back his original caste (Kailash Sonkar (1984) 2 SCC 91; S. Raja
>> Gopal
>> AIR 1969 SC 101).
>
> Please find the word "death penalty" in the above.

Not talking about death penalty. I am answering Ranjit's claim that only
Muslim princely states outlawed conversion.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 8:03 pm
From: "ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com"

Seeker wrote:
> "Mohd Kaffir" <fragrance28_693@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1142816666.653454.229280@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Seeker wrote:
> >> <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1142810312.667284.210060@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> >> > Seeker wrote:
> >> >> <visualseeplus@yahoo.com> wrote ...
> >> >> > Religion of Peace folks.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > KABUL, Afghanistan - An Afghan man who allegedly converted from
> >> >> > Islam
> >> >> > to Christianity is being prosecuted in a Kabul court and could be
> >> >> > sentenced to death, a judge said Sunday.
> >> >>
> >> >> Harami Hindu, you have such laws in India too where pain of death is
> >> >> imposed
> >> >> on anyone converting out of Hinduism.
> >> >
> >> > There is no such law.
> >>
> >> I distinctly remembering reading about such a law in Tamil Nadu. Has that
> >> law been repealed?
> >
> > Really? Are you which universe you are talking about?
>
> On 5 October 2002, the state government of Tamil Nadu, India, issued an
> ordinance that effectively (when interpreted according to Hindutva ideology)
> outlawed religious conversion.
> http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/10497.htm

In the Tamilnadu law (repealed in 2004), a proselytizer was required to
inform officials of the local district about the conversion; he did not
require any permission to perform conversion ceremonies. It was up to
officials to take him to court with a charge of converting by force*,
allurement* or fraud* and it was upto a judge (not Hindutva
ideologists) to determine whether the charge had merit.

Now, why did you claim that it provided for a death penalty for
apostates? It provided for no penalty for a person who converted
himself, there was a penalty only for converting other people (and only
if converted by force, allurement or fraud), and the penalty was
certainly not death; it was (a maximum of) a fine and imprisonment.

* Definitions: (a) "allurement" means offer of any temptation in the
form of - (i) - any gift or gratification, either in cash or kind; (ii)
- grant of any material benefit, either monetary or otherwise. (b)
"convert" means to make one person to renounce one religion and adopt
another religion; (c) "force" includes a show of force or threat of
injury of any kind including threat of divine displeasure or social
ex-communication; (d) "fraudulent means" includes misrepresentation or
any other fraudulent contrivance.

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TOPIC: Where are all the great ruins of the Negro nations?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 10:48 pm
From: Voice Of Reason <>

On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 19:28:18 -0800, Von Bailey
<ovbailey@noneofyourbusiness.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:55:03 -0500, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:59:18 -0500, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"James Crow" <dont_let_the_sun_go_down_on_you_bw@h.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:drrmvi$vfj$1@domitilla.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aztecs, Mayans, Egyptians, Babylonians, Chinese, Japanese, Europeans, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They all had their great buildings and their great empires with plenty of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ruins and evidence to show it. Egyptians are famous for their great
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pyramids, Aztecs and Mayans had temples and cities, Romans had colosseums,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chinese had the great wall... all evidence of great empires.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Someone help me find a link to the great Sub-Saharan Negro Pyramids, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great Negro Wall, or how about the great paved roads connecting the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greatand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Superior Negro Empires. I would like to see great stone Negro castles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evidence of bronze swords and armor, the great Negro Aqueducts that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spanned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for miles, and the Great Negro Architectural bridges.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So where are all these sub-Saharan nations that ya read about in books
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that existed before the War? How many? 20? 30? Name them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Three or four come to mind...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ghana, with a history that listed 44 Kings before Christ and as far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>back as the 7th century BC. It was known as the "Land of Gold"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>because it supplied the mineral on an international basis and had an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>iron industry for over a thousand years. Using the Niger and lesser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rivers in the empire they were able to build a system of cities and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>towns that produced commercial goods for the world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Not as independent nation, but a collection of regional tribes, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>then later a British colony as part of its so-called Gold Coast.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ghana did not become a nation until 1957, 12 years *after* the War.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Try again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>They imported salt, textiles, cowrie shells, brass, dates, figs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>pearls, fruit, sugar, dried rasins and hoone. Some of heir chief
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>exports were gold, ivory, rubber. In 1060, the impreial army numbered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>200,000 of which 100,000 were mounted and 40,000 were expertly trained
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bow and arrow brigades. Their most famous schools were Kumbi-Saleh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and Dejenne (also known as Kumbi-Kumbi and Jenne respectively) and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>world renowned school called The University fo Sankore was at Timbuktu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(just north of Ghana).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mali, under the rule of Muslim kings, the greatest of which was Mansa
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Musa, who wanted to be known as the greatest Black Muslim in all of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Africa. Under his rule Mali indulged in international trade. By the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mid 1300's Mali was an empire of it's own right. It controled the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>salt mines of Taghaza, encompassed Nigeria in the east and Fulani in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the west.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nope. Mali become a nation in 1960.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Songhay, their most prosperous time during the 15th and 16th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>centuries. It had a long history of dias (kings) that coul be traced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>back to the 7th century. They had gained control over the main
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>caravan city in western Africa Gao. With this as a foundation they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>built a nation that lasted until the mid 1600s.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Mossi States, an amagamation of kingdoms with common values and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>kinship. The most prominent of which were Wagdug, Yatenga, Fada
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gurma, Mamprussi and Dagomba. They had the most successful calvary in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Africa and stood their own against the empires of Mali and Songhay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>They had a political structure that started with a King of Kings (as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>each individual state had a govenor who had absolute control of his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>particular state) and a prime minister.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>There are quite a few more. If you're really interested (and that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sarcastic as I know you aren't) you might start with Chancellor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Williams "The destruction of Black Civilization, Great issues of race
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>from 4500 B.C to 2000 A.D." It's where I got some of the information
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>above.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>These were not nations, but as you yourself quoted above, but loose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>collections ("amalgamation of kingdoms") of tribes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Just look at the current state of the Congo for how they existed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hundreds of years ago -- almost non-stop skirmishs between numerous
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>regional groups (tribes) and sometimes all-out warfare.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>There was a time when the losers of these battles would be sold off by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the victors into slavery, and yes, pass through what is now known as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ghana on their way to the New World. So much for their "great ruins".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thank you for that 'non-referenced' pack of lies and ignorance about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>place you have demonstrated supreme stupidity about. It appears that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>your entire knowledge of African history appears to be what you read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>in the captions of National Geographic while looking for pictures of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>women's breast to jack off to ass a kid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Nice try but wrong all around. IF ya have facts (not wild-eyed
>>>>>>>>>>>>guesses) that repudiate what I said, then post them right here .
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I cited a book that backs up everything I've said and you have
>>>>>>>>>>>refernced NOTHING. There is plenty of evidence of nations and even
>>>>>>>>>>>empires in sub-sahara africa and your stupidity and ignorance about
>>>>>>>>>>>them doesn't change that it the least. Your comments didn't do
>>>>>>>>>>>anything except demonstrate what you think.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>So what, anyone can write a book and say whatever they want. Nothing
>>>>>>>>>>changes the fact that the colonial era ended after WW II.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Which is irrelevant wrt the nations in Ancient Africa.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>WHAT "nations"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Already listed by me and others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How do those places that you listed qualify as "nations"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>Because they fit the definition.
>>>>
>>>>Which is??
>>>>
>>>You don't know yet you feel you have the ability to distinguish if one
>>>exists. Another little thing that makes you look stupid.
>>
>>Wrong, I DO know what the definition is, the question is whether YOU
>>do or not.
>
>No. Since I have given examples of what I called african
>civilizations you must demonstrate that they don't fit the definition.
>But you can't because you're so ignorant that you didn't even know
>they existed.

No. I shouldn't be doing YOUR homework for you. You made the claim
that they were nations, so show *how* they really had attributes of
nations.

>>>>>>>>Where did they go?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>European invasion destroyed much of it but archeologists find evidence
>>>>>>>all the time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Right. The Europeans destroyed it. Figures. Now where are the
>>>>>>artifacts that show a true "nation" existed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>They are dug up all the time. Not to mention all the european, asian
>>>>>and moslem historians that lived and wrote about them during the time.
>>>>
>>>>Artifacts can be dug up all over the planet. But artifacts alone do
>>>>not a nation make. So, once again, where's the evidence.
>>>>
>>>They do when they record a record of said nation.
>>
>>I repeat my question ,where's the evidence of a *nation*. Digging up
>>a few clay pots or spear tips proves nothing other than a few people,
>>perhaps just a handful, once lived there.
>>
>Who said that was the evidence? You have obviously read NOTHING on
>the subject and your superficial definition of the evidence
>demonstrates that you are incredibly ignorant on the subject. Thus we
>have you commenting on what you are obviously ignorant about again.

Nope. Still waiting for some concrete evidence that we're talking
about nations here, and not just a few tribes.

>>>>>>>>Except for Egypt and a handful of
>>>>>>>>other small pockets mostly above the Sahara, for hundreds of years
>>>>>>>>until the end of colonialism, Africa was nothing more than a
>>>>>>>>collection of tribes, often at war with each other. Just look at the
>>>>>>>>Congo or Darfour today, they are remnants what the Subsaharan
>>>>>>>>continent once was. Time has stood still there.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What an incredibly stupid statement. How did 'time stand still'
>>>>>>>there? You *assume* that because you are ignorant about something it
>>>>>>>doesn't occur. There are historians and archeologists finding
>>>>>>>evidence of civilization all over sub-saharan Africa and your state of
>>>>>>>denial doesn't change that in the least.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>YOU are the one in denial.
>>>>>
>>>>>Except I haven't denied anything. I've been providing evidence that
>>>>>sub-saharan nations existed and you have yet to provide anything
>>>>>except your opinion to dispute it. YOU are the one in denial as you
>>>>>are the one 'denying' something.
>>>>
>>>>No. All ya have shown is that some "artifacts" of an earlier era were
>>>>found. That's all.
>>>>
>>>...and you haven't been able to dispute ANYTHING I've said with
>>>anything except assumptions. You're usual feeble attempt at
>>>trivializing that which disproves your ignorant assumptions.
>>
>>Wrong, I've disputed quite a few things you've said, with facts, not
>>assumptions.
>>
>That's just you lying about presenting facts again. You haven't and
>will avoid demonstrating specific facts that you have presented if
>asked so I won't bother.

Wrong, the specific facts need to come from you here, this is your
claim, not mine.

>>>>>>Or do ya admit that the rivalries and
>>>>>>hatred which are manifested in the fighting and dying in places like
>>>>>>Congo and Darfur go back many, many centuries, long before "The
>>>>>>Europeans" showed up?
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes I do deny it (see now I am actually denying something). Now prove
>>>>>you know what you're talking about.
>>>>
>>>>You know nothing about places like the Congo. It's there for all to
>>>>see.
>>>
>>>Now that you've made an irrelevant comment, provide something that
>>>actually disproves what you say wasn't there 600 years ago.
>>
>>Yer dazed and confused, as usual. It's just sad.
>
>Your lack of evidence is noted.

Were ya looking in the mirror when ya said that?

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TOPIC: Why cooperation works better than competition
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/59420b7ac5f9f678
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 19 2006 7:49 pm
From: "Art Bulla"

1 WHY do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel
together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, [saying],
3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in
derision.
5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore
displeasure.
6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my
Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8 Ask of me, and I shall give [thee] the heathen [for] thine inheritance,
and the uttermost parts of the earth [for] thy possession.
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces
like a potter's vessel.
10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the
earth.
11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish [from] the way, when his
wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed [are] all they that put their trust
in him.

(Ps 2:1-12)

--
Website: http://www.artbulla.com

"What Joseph meant by being damned was that people will go into the spirit
world without the Priesthood, and consequently they are under the power of
Satan, and will have to be redeemed, or else they will be forever under his
power. That is all there is about that."

(Journal of Discourses, 26 vols., 17:, p.159)

"I am like a huge rough stone rolling down from a high mountain; and the
only polishing I get is when some corner gets rubbed off by coming in
contact with something else, striking with accelerated force against
religious bigotry, priestcraft, lawyer-craft, doctor-craft, lying editors,
suborned judges and jurors, and the authority of perjured executives, backed
by mobs, blasphemers, licentious and corrupt men and women, all hell
knocking off a corner here and a corner there. Thus will I become a smooth
and polished shaft in the quiver of the Almighty." (Teachings of the
Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 304.)

"I just tell em the truth, and they think it's hell." Harry Truman

THE GOLDEN RULE OF DISINFORMERS:
Always accuse your adversary of whatever is true about yourself.

"Nothing has more retarded the advancement of learning than the disposition
of vulgar minds to ridicule and vilify what they do not understand."
Dr.Samuel Johnson.

The Revelations of Jesus Christ:
<http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?isbn=0-595-28287-3>

Discourses of Brigham Young, Pg.68
As it has always been, and will be yet for some time, when the sons
of God assemble together Satan will be on hand as an accuser of the
brethren, to find fault with those who are trying to do good.

"But we ask, does it remain for a people who never had faith enough to call
down one scrap of revelation from heaven, and for all they have now are
indebted
to the faith of another people...does it remain for them to say how much God
has
spoken and how much He has not spoken?" Joseph Smith

"Every generation has flattered itself that it is a little better than the
one that preceded it. Every generation has prided itself in its knowledge
and great advancement in the arts and sciences and its superiority over
preceding generations; yet the power of the adversary and his hatred of
righteousness and truth are as great to-day as they ever were since the
creation of the earth." Journal of Discourses, Vol.11, Pg.228 - Pg.229,
George Q. Cannon, May 6, 1866

"Some men are natural born saints; whenever a principle is advanced they
understand it, and drink it in; * * * while there are others who do not
understand and oppose every principle that is not clear to their mind. This
can be accounted for, that we are not all pure blooded, for Ephraim became
foolish and mixed up with the gentiles. When we find the pure blood of
Ephraim, we find a natural born child of God and there is nothing in the
gospel that is objectionable to them, but the others have to exercise faith
in God and humble themselves before Him and live for it." (Deseret Weekly,
50:250-251)

35 And the rebellious shall be cut off out of the land of Zion, and shall
be sent away, and shall not inherit the land.
36 For, verily I say that the rebellious are not of the blood of Ephraim,
wherefore they shall be plucked out.

(Doctrine and Covenants | Section 64:35 - 36)

"John Manning" <jrobertm@terra.com.br> wrote in message
news:p5adnfCNB7J7CIHZnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@giganews.com...
> Malcolm wrote:
>> "Future America" <futureNow@nospam.com> wrote
>>> "Well researched and sound, No Contest exposes erroneous assumptions
>>> about the inevitability and value of competition. This book deserves our
>>> attention."
>>> - Carl Rogers, psychologist
>>>
>> So we need a senior lab technician.
>> Because it is unlikely that someone from outside would be able to drop in
>> and immediately understand our procedures, the obvious thing to do is to
>> promote one of the exisitng technicians.
>> There are two who would be perfectly competent in the job, with the
>> experience required and the personal qualities to be supervisors. Both
>> want to do it.
>>
>> However one is socially slightly more dominant than the other. So he is
>> appointed.
>>
>> How would you change this situation?
>
>> Buy my book 12 Common Atheist Arguments (refuted)
>> $1.25 download or $6.90 paper, available www.lulu.com
>
>
> Sales pitch included, eh?

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