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* Why Jews Must Speak Out on Palestine - 1 messages, 1 author
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* ISRAEL, A MURDERING NAZI ENCLAVE - 1 messages, 1 author
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* WORLD WAR III NEWS, TUESDAY, MARCH 28th, 2006 AD........................... -
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* WHEN MINORITIES RULE OVER MAJORITIES - 1 messages, 1 author
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* MURDER OF RACHEL CORRIE, AN AMERICAN HEROINE - 4 messages, 4 authors
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* A mosque....is it a battle field ? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Target pharmacist is fired over Plan B controversy - 3 messages, 2 authors
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* International Stuff - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Illegal Hispanic Immigration & rally in LA - 3 messages, 2 authors
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* NOBODY IS AFRAID OF ISRAEL OR U.S. ANY MORE - 1 messages, 1 author
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* What makes a religion valid? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* "Baseball Players, Yes - Castro No !!! - 1 messages, 1 author
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* ZIONAZI DERSHOWITZ-PLAGIARIST AND A LIAR! - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Florida: Stench of Fraud Drives Voting Machine Mfgrs Away - 1 messages, 1
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* We're FRICKED, peoplez !!!!!!!! - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Hu's visit to the USA ....to be cancelled or postponed ? - 1 messages, 1
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* las mentiras del kastro estalinismo... - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Why Jews Must Speak Out on Palestine
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Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 10:11 pm
From: AnonMoos
Will you speak out on Darfur if they do, Abu Alfalfa?
--
المتبرجة خير
من الإرهابي
المنتحر
Murderers are not martyrs! http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/abulwafa.htm
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TOPIC: ISRAEL, A MURDERING NAZI ENCLAVE
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Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 10:53 pm
From: "serwad"
Free Speech? Not When It Comes To State Of Israel
Mar 19, 2006
By Robert Fisk, The Independent
You've got to fight. It's the only conclusion I can draw as I see the
renewed erosion of our freedom to discuss the Middle East. The most recent
example - and the most shameful - is the cowardly decision of the New York
Theater Workshop to cancel the Royal Court's splendid production of "My Name
Is Rachel Corrie".
It's the story - in her own words and e-mails - of the brave young American
woman who traveled to Gaza to protect innocent Palestinians and who stood in
front of an Israeli bulldozer in an attempt to prevent the driver from
destroying a Palestinian home. The bulldozer drove over her and then
reversed and crushed her a second time.
An American heroine, Rachel earned no brownie points from the Bush
administration which bangs on about courage and freedom from oppression
every few minutes. Rachel's was the wrong sort of courage and she was
defending the freedom of the wrong people. But when I read that James
Nicola, the New York Theater Workshop's "artistic director" - his title
really should be in quotation marks - had decided to "postpone" the play
"indefinitely" because "in our pre-production planning and our talking
around and listening in our communities (sic) in New York, what we heard was
that after Ariel Sharon's illness and the election of Hamas. ... we had a
very edgy situation", I didn,t know whether to laugh or cry.
So let's confront this tomfoolery. Down in Australia, my old mate Antony
Loewenstein, a journalist and academic, is having an equally vile time. He
has completed a critical book on the Israel/Palestine conflict for Melbourne
University Publishing and Jewish communities in Australia are trying to have
it censored out of existence before it appears in August.
A one-off bit of skulduggery on Israel's behalf? Alas, no. A letter arrived
for me last week from Israeli-American Barbara Goldscheider whose novel
"Naqba: The Catastrophe: The Palestinian-Israeli Conflict" has just been
published. She has been attacked, she told me, "merely because I chose an
Arabic title to my novel on the conflict... My brother-in-law has broken his
relationship with me before he even read the book ... From members of my
Orthodox, Jewish congregation in Bangor (Maine), I received a phone call
from an irate friend, sputtering ... out: Don,t you know the Arabs want to
destroy Israel?,"
What do you do when a publisher - or an "artistic director" - caves in? I
found out for myself not long ago when the Military History Society of
Ireland asked permission to reprint a paper I had published some years ago
on a battle between the Irish Army's UN battalion in southern Lebanon and
Israel's proxy - and brutal - Lebanese militia, the so-called "South Lebanon
Army", whose psychotic commander was a cashiered Lebanese Army major called
Saad Haddad.
In the paper, I mentioned how an Israeli major called Haim extorted money
from the inhabitants of the south Lebanese village of Haris and gave the
code name of an Israeli agent - "Abu Shawki" - who was present at the murder
of two Irish soldiers.
I had published these details many times, both in my own newspaper and in my
previous book on the Lebanon war, "Pity the Nation". Maj. Haddad died of
cancer more than 10 years ago. I actually met Haim in the early 1980s as he
emerged from a meeting with the mayor of Haris from whom he demanded money
to pay Israel's cruel militiamen - the UN was also present and recorded his
threats - while "Abu Shawki", whom the Irish police would like to interview,
later tried to arrest me in Tyre - and immediately freed me - when I told
him I knew that he was a witness to the murder of the two Irish soldiers.
So what was I supposed to do when I received the following letter from
ex-Brig. Gen. Patrick Purcell of the Irish Army? "Unfortunately we have been
forced to withdraw (your) article in view of a letter from our publisher
Irish Academic Press. It is clear from our contract that (our) society would
be responsible in the event of a libel action." The enclosed letter from
publisher Frank Cass advised that his lawyer had "cautioned" him because I
had described Haddad as "psychotic", named the blackmailing Israeli major
and named the Israeli agent present at the two murders. It's interesting
that Cass's lawyer believes it is possible to libel a man (Haddad) who has
been dead for more than a decade. As for Maj. Haim, he remains on UN files
as the man who tried - and apparently succeeded - in forcing the people of
southern Lebanon to cough up the cash to pay for their own oppressors.
I better remember what I wrote in my newspaper just over six years ago, that
"the degree of abuse and outright threats now being directed at anyone ...
who dares to criticize Israel ... is fast reaching McCarthyite proportions.
The attempt to force the media to obey Israel's rules is ... international".
And growing, I should now add.
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TOPIC: WORLD WAR III NEWS, TUESDAY, MARCH 28th, 2006 AD........................
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Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 10:38 pm
From: "Nedabiah"
Do you really think the Israelis are that crazy that they would risk total
annhilation?
To hear you Americans, you are the only military power on this planet. Not
so. Jews always end up making a fatal political mistake and then blame the
world for the problems they themselves brought on other less fortunate Jews.
You, American Christian Zionist ass kissers make me throw up.
"The Last 2460 daysT ?" <stargatedecember2012@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:1143511394.248732.193510@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Found this commentary on the MSN website -- Interesting viewpoint from
the Seppo perspective, Lt.Col.Rick Fraancona......
HOOROO
UNCLE WALLY
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March 21, 2006 | 12:33 p.m. ET
Iran: Israel's air-strike options (Lt. Col. Rick Francona)
Let's assume that Iran has exhausted the world's patience over its
"peaceful nuclear energy" research program - a program most
analysts believe is a cover for a nuclear weapons program. Israel has
indicated in clear terms that it will not permit Iran to acquire
nuclear weapons. What are Israel's options to derail the program?
Most analysts agree that Israel does not have the capability to strike
all of the sites associated with the program - estimates range between
12 and more than 20 locations. With limited power projection
capabilities, Israeli intelligence analysts will determine the critical
portions of the program - the key elements that if destroyed will slow
down the effort. In 1981, the Israeli air force successfully crippled
the Iraqi nuclear program with a daring daylight air raid on the key
element of that program - the French-built Osirak reactor at
At-Tuwaythah, just south of Baghdad. The single most critical element
In the Iranian program is thought to be the centrifuge facility at
Natanz (also known as the Esfahan enrichment facility).
The Natanz facility is a challenging target. The heart of the facility
is the centrifuge area, located in an underground, hardened structure.
The Iranians are fully aware of Israeli capabilities and no doubt have
studied what the Israelis did to the Iraqi program a quarter century
ago. They are also aware of the demonstrated capability of the
American-made precision-guided penetrating munitions ("bunker busters")
in the Israeli inventory. The Iranian program has been dispersed all
over the country; the facilities have been built with American and
Israeli capabilities in mind and are protected by modern Russian air
defense systems.
Aside from the difficult nature of the target itself is its geographic
location in relation to Israel. The straight-line distance between
Israel and Natanz is almost 1000 miles. (At-Tuwaythah was only 600
miles). Since the countries do not share a common border, Israeli
aircraft or missiles must fly through foreign - and hostile - airspace
to get to the target.
The least risky method of striking Natanz is with Israel's medium range
ballistic missiles, the Jericho II or III. Details on the exact
capabilities of these systems are unknown, but it is believed that the
Israeli missiles can reach Natanz. However, to travel that far, the
missiles will have a limited warhead weight, probably less than 1000
pounds. It is doubtful that these warheads will be able to penetrate
far enough underground to achieve the desired level of destruction.
That points to an attack by the Israeli air force's American-made
fighter-bomber aircraft as the most likely option. The Israelis have 25
F-15I Ra'am (Thunder) and about 30 F-16I Sufa (Storm) jets.
How will the aircraft fly from their bases in Israel to a target
located 200 miles inside Iran? There are two realistic ways to get
there - either through Saudi Arabia or Iraq, possibly even using
Jordanian airspace as well. Either route is a one-way trip of about
1200 miles. Even though Turkey and Israel have had a defense agreement
since 1996, using Turkish airspace is not likely politically and would
require the attacking aircraft to fly over 1000 miles inside Iranian
airspace. It is also doubtful that the Israelis would jeopardize
operational security by consulting with the Turks.
The Saudi Arabia option. The strike aircraft depart southern Israel,
enter Saudi airspace from the Gulf of 'Aqabah or Jordan, fly 800
miles of Saudi airspace to the Persian Gulf and then 300 miles into
Iran. Although the Israelis traversed Saudi airspace when they attacked
the Iraqi facility in 1981, Saudi Arabia and Jordan have since
significantly upgraded their air defense capabilities and share
information with each other.
Since the Israeli air force does not operate stealth aircraft, there is
a reasonable expectation that at some point the aircraft will be
detected over Saudi Arabia, either by ground based radar or the AWACS
airborne radar platforms. Whether Saudi defenses could - or would - be
able to stop the Israelis is uncertain. Perhaps the Saudis would turn a
blind eye and claim ignorance - after all, a nuclear-armed Iran is a
potential threat to the Kingdom as well.
The Iraq option. The strike aircraft depart southern Israel, cross 300
to 400 miles of Saudi airspace or a combination of Jordanian and Saudi
airspace, and enter Iraqi airspace as soon as possible, continue across
500 miles of Iraq to the Persian Gulf and then on to the target.
Entering Iran from Iraqi airspace would create too much of political
firestorm. As it is, the use of Iraqi airspace will require the
cooperation of the United States. Although Iraq is a sovereign nation,
its skies are controlled by the American military. That said, allowing
Israeli aircraft to ingress from Iraq is likely out of the question.
Either of these options carries the risk that once the actual attack on
the facility is made, the viability of the return route is in jeopardy
- all forces in the area will be on alert. The planners may opt to go
to the target one way and back home via another.
The limiting factor in Israeli planning is the great distance to the
target. Can Israel's fighter-bombers conduct this mission without
refueling? Combat radius - the distance an aircraft can fly and return
without refueling - is difficult to calculate, and depends on weapons
payload, external fuel tanks, mission profile, etc. It is even more
difficult when dealing with Israeli aircraft because they will not
release performance data on their assets.
The best "guestimate" of the combat radius of the F-15I and F-16I,
outfitted with conformal fuel tanks, two external wing tanks and a
decent weapons load, is almost 1000 miles. Either of the two possible
flight routes is about 200 miles further than that. To make up for the
shortfall, the aircraft could be fitted with an additional external
fuel tank, but this will require a reduction in the weapons load. Given
the accuracy of the weapons in the Israeli inventory, that might not be
problematic. However, if the aircraft are detected and intercepted, the
pilots will have to jettison the tanks in order to engage their
attackers. Dropping the tanks will prevent the aircraft from reaching
their target.
Air refueling. This raises the question of air refueling? This is a
limitation for the Israelis. While Israel has a large air force, its
focus has been on the Arab countries that surround it. In recent years,
it has sought the capability to project power against a target over
1000 miles away. To do this, Israel has acquired five B707 tanker
aircraft. However, the tankers would have to refuel the fighters in
hostile airspace. The B707 is a large unarmed aircraft and would be
very vulnerable to air defenses.
Looking at the two scenarios, air refueling over Saudi Arabia would be
very risky. It would have to be done at low altitude to evade detection
and will probably be at night. Using Iraqi airspace will be somewhat
less difficult as altitude will not be an issue.
Of course, the tankers would have to get to Iraqi airspace and back.
The use of Turkish airspace for the tanker aircraft to enter Iraq is
probably not an option for the same reasons that it is not an option
for the fighters - political sensitivities on the part of the Turks
and operational security considerations on the part of the Israelis.
Another possibility is American cooperation - allow the Israelis to
stage their tankers from an American air base in Iraq. These tankers
could fly to Iraq though international airspace around the Arabian
Peninsula and over the Persian Gulf. It would be too far for them to
return to Israel without landing to refuel, otherwise the Israelis
could refuel the fighters over the Gulf.
American participation? There are other possibilities, from allowing
Israeli fighters to land and refuel at U.S.-controlled bases in Iraq,
to having U.S. Air Force tankers refuel the Israeli aircraft over Iraq.
A diplomatic nightmare, maybe, but certainly a military possibility.
Theoretically, the Israelis could do this, but at great risk of
failure. If they decide to attack Natanz, they will have to inflict
sufficient damage the first time - they probably will not be able to
mount follow-on strikes at other facilities.
When all the analyses are done, there is only one military capable of
the sustained widespread air operations required to eliminate Iran's
nuclear weapons research program - the United States. Again, a
diplomatic nightmare, but certainly a military possibility.
Comments? Email Hardblogger@msnbc.com
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TOPIC: WHEN MINORITIES RULE OVER MAJORITIES
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Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 7:54 pm
From: imemind@comcast.net
In case of India, there is no effective majority. HIndus are too
divided lingistically and by caste to perform as effective majority -
thus minorities have become de fecto majority and king makers. Moslems
and xians have far greater numbers than any single hindu caste. HIndu
unity is possible only at religious level, which is effectively barred
from being used for electoral politics in the name of secularism. In
the mean time, constitution is amended million times to disenfrenchise
majority. Until the difice crumble of its own weight and
contradictions, there is no hope for majority rule in India.
Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> With a grain of salt: When Minorities rule over Majorities
>
> http://www.hinduvoice.net
>
> [ From: Bhaskar Dasgupta <bdasgupta@gmail.com
> [ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006
>
> With a grain of salt: When Minorities rule over
> Majorities
>
> By Bhaskar Dasgupta
>
> It is rather strange to consider, in this day and age,
> that there are still countries which are ruled by
> minorities. Given the decidedly strong emphasis and
> direction that the world has towards majority rule in a
> liberal democratic framework, minority rule is the
> exception and the few countries which are remaining are
> on the path to reform. Well, perhaps "reform" is too
> optimistic a word, but let us just say that the trend is
> away from minority ruled countries. The countries which
> remain are becoming even more glaring to the eye.
>
> Off the top of my head, I can think of Syria, Zimbabwe,
> South Africa, Iraq, Rwanda, Kenya and possibly Jordan as
> countries which are either existing or have recently been
> exposed to this piquant situation of a minority ruling
> over a majority. I know many people will ask me about
> Israel and Palestine, but frankly, I am tired of that
> lot, far too much attention has been paid to that area
> for too long. Let me put it in another way, if you had
> totted up all the multilateral and bilateral aid which
> has been poured into Israel and Palestine, and then taken
> that money and poured it into other hotspots with issues
> such as Congo, Kashmir, Bosnia, Central America or
> Columbia, we would have seen better results. Fifty years
> and billions down the drain and nothing has been
> resolved. A pox on both their houses, so to say! But I
> digress. Back to our theme.
>
> Syria has been ruled by the Alawi sect, South Africa was
> ruled by the Afrikaners, Iraq by the Sunni's, Zimbabwe by
> Robert Mugabe's tribe (Shona), Rwanda by the Tutsi's,
> Kenya by the Kiyukis and Jordan by the Bedouins. All of
> them have been minorities. Strangely enough, all of these
> situations can be traced back to their colonial masters.
> Whether we are talking about Syria or South Africa, it is
> a colonial hangover which hangs over these countries.
> When the imperial colonial power wanted to rule the
> country, it obviously needed to have its agents, through
> which it could work. Think back to British India, where a
> quarter of a million British men controlled a country of
> 300 million people. Keeping people divided was best and
> thus gave rise to agents who were powerful enough to keep
> rest of the population under control, but not powerful
> enough to threaten the viability of the colonial regime.
>
> Then came independence, where power was handed over to
> the dominant party. Whether it be a monarchy (Iraq,
> Jordan and Syria) or the dominant "resistance" party
> (Kenya and Rwanda), the fact remains that power was
> transferred over to the person or persons who were
> shouting the loudest or promised to keep the colonial
> links alive. We all know what happened after that. The
> dominant party entrenched itself, eviscerated opposition
> parties, locked up every possible threat to its power,
> put in tribal or sectarian members in key positions,
> corruption flourished and extreme nationalism was the
> name of the game.
>
> As we have seen in the above mentioned examples, the
> minority parties or groups stay in power by controlling
> its main levers. These are common to all, control over
> the law/order framework (judiciary, police, intelligence
> agencies), the military and a vast number of jobs and
> power patronage network (usually because the economy is
> strongly socialist or nationalist - definitely not free
> market). The last point is particularly important; as
> while fear can be the key, it is not the lock. The lock
> is the general minutiae of day to day living, the rules
> and regulations governing jobs, electricity bills,
> availability of information (TV, Radio, and Internet),
> phone connections, etc. Once you swamp this day to day
> existence with silly, archaic, corrupt and inefficient
> ways of working, you have control. This allows a small
> and centralised elite to control the vast forces of power
> and patronage. This is further buttressed by secrecy,
> intimidation and fear by the security services and army.
> It is no surprise that most of the above mentioned
> examples are shown to have the support of the army.
>
> The problem which comes up is when one is faced with the
> fact that this sort of state characteristic (minorities
> ruling the state) that it is becoming even more eye-
> catching and rare. Iraq and South Africa are two prime
> examples of what soft power and/or hard power does. Soft
> power such as EU's efforts, the United Nations and other
> multi-lateral agencies in South Africa, versus the hard
> power push such as by the USA in Iraq. Despotic regimes
> such as these are now becoming the exception rather than
> the rule and managing to perpetuate these regimes is
> becoming even more of a difficult choice. Look at North
> Korea, Syria, Kenya and Jordan. Specially look at Syria
> and Jordan. They are in a dangerous place in the world,
> and frankly, both ruling regimes simply exist because of
> their huge repressive state administration. If you ask
> me, these would probably not exist for very much longer.
> Also the natural antipathy and disenchantment of the
> majority or other groups allows external parties to drive
> big cracks into the state edifice. But not always, it
> helps if you have oil or belong to an area which is
> dangerous or if you turn into something which is not easy
> to remove (e.g. North Korea with Nuclear Weapons).
>
> The problem with power being concentrated in few hands is
> when those few hands are chopped off (figuratively or
> literally); the entire edifice falls apart very quickly.
> See South Africa and Iraq for examples. Unfortunately, to
> protect their existence, these regimes lash out and lash
> out usually with dire results internally. Look at
> Zimbabwe, Kenya, North Korea, Syria and Jordan. Even if
> we disregard North Korea, the rest of these regimes have
> an extremely repressive internal security system. In
> addition, what better way of getting the public's mind
> off internal loss of freedom and state repression than by
> stoking nationalistic fervour? Hence most of these
> regimes, in some shape or form, have been involved in
> external fights at worst or intrigues at best.
>
> To wrap up, these regimes are going to die off, but it
> will not be an easy task, either for their populations or
> for their neighbours and even for the world community. It
> is indeed a smart cookie who does this, witness South
> Africa. As we have seen in South Africa, it sometimes
> also needs another smart cookie on the other side, who
> will be able to take control and set the path of the
> country firmly on the liberal democratic route. It is not
> simple and many a hiccup happens, but I believe that
> history is firmly on the side of the democratic angels
> (so to say). As George Bernard Shaw once said: "Democracy
> means the organization of society for the benefit and at
> the expense of everybody indiscriminately and not for the
> benefit of a privileged class". What the heck, here's
> another interesting quote, "In democracy, it's your vote
> that counts; in feudalism it's your count that votes."
>
> All this to be taken with a grain of salt!
>
> End of forwarded message from:
> http://www.hinduvoice.net/cgi-bin/dada/mail.cgi?flavor=archive&id=20060327102406&list=hnl
>
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> Om Shanti
>
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>
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>
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TOPIC: MURDER OF RACHEL CORRIE, AN AMERICAN HEROINE
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Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 11:00 pm
From: "serwad"
Free Speech? Not When It Comes To State Of Israel
Mar 19, 2006
By Robert Fisk, The Independent
You've got to fight. It's the only conclusion I can draw as I see the
renewed erosion of our freedom to discuss the Middle East. The most recent
example - and the most shameful - is the cowardly decision of the New York
Theater Workshop to cancel the Royal Court's splendid production of "My Name
Is Rachel Corrie".
It's the story - in her own words and e-mails - of the brave young American
woman who traveled to Gaza to protect innocent Palestinians and who stood in
front of an Israeli bulldozer in an attempt to prevent the driver from
destroying a Palestinian home. The bulldozer drove over her and then
reversed and crushed her a second time.
An American heroine, Rachel earned no brownie points from the Bush
administration which bangs on about courage and freedom from oppression
every few minutes. Rachel's was the wrong sort of courage and she was
defending the freedom of the wrong people. But when I read that James
Nicola, the New York Theater Workshop's "artistic director" - his title
really should be in quotation marks - had decided to "postpone" the play
"indefinitely" because "in our pre-production planning and our talking
around and listening in our communities (sic) in New York, what we heard was
that after Ariel Sharon's illness and the election of Hamas. ... we had a
very edgy situation", I didn,t know whether to laugh or cry.
So let's confront this tomfoolery. Down in Australia, my old mate Antony
Loewenstein, a journalist and academic, is having an equally vile time. He
has completed a critical book on the Israel/Palestine conflict for Melbourne
University Publishing and Jewish communities in Australia are trying to have
it censored out of existence before it appears in August.
A one-off bit of skulduggery on Israel's behalf? Alas, no. A letter arrived
for me last week from Israeli-American Barbara Goldscheider whose novel
"Naqba: The Catastrophe: The Palestinian-Israeli Conflict" has just been
published. She has been attacked, she told me, "merely because I chose an
Arabic title to my novel on the conflict... My brother-in-law has broken his
relationship with me before he even read the book ... From members of my
Orthodox, Jewish congregation in Bangor (Maine), I received a phone call
from an irate friend, sputtering ... out: Don,t you know the Arabs want to
destroy Israel?,"
What do you do when a publisher - or an "artistic director" - caves in? I
found out for myself not long ago when the Military History Society of
Ireland asked permission to reprint a paper I had published some years ago
on a battle between the Irish Army's UN battalion in southern Lebanon and
Israel's proxy - and brutal - Lebanese militia, the so-called "South Lebanon
Army", whose psychotic commander was a cashiered Lebanese Army major called
Saad Haddad.
In the paper, I mentioned how an Israeli major called Haim extorted money
from the inhabitants of the south Lebanese village of Haris and gave the
code name of an Israeli agent - "Abu Shawki" - who was present at the murder
of two Irish soldiers.
I had published these details many times, both in my own newspaper and in my
previous book on the Lebanon war, "Pity the Nation". Maj. Haddad died of
cancer more than 10 years ago. I actually met Haim in the early 1980s as he
emerged from a meeting with the mayor of Haris from whom he demanded money
to pay Israel's cruel militiamen - the UN was also present and recorded his
threats - while "Abu Shawki", whom the Irish police would like to interview,
later tried to arrest me in Tyre - and immediately freed me - when I told
him I knew that he was a witness to the murder of the two Irish soldiers.
So what was I supposed to do when I received the following letter from
ex-Brig. Gen. Patrick Purcell of the Irish Army? "Unfortunately we have been
forced to withdraw (your) article in view of a letter from our publisher
Irish Academic Press. It is clear from our contract that (our) society would
be responsible in the event of a libel action." The enclosed letter from
publisher Frank Cass advised that his lawyer had "cautioned" him because I
had described Haddad as "psychotic", named the blackmailing Israeli major
and named the Israeli agent present at the two murders. It's interesting
that Cass's lawyer believes it is possible to libel a man (Haddad) who has
been dead for more than a decade. As for Maj. Haim, he remains on UN files
as the man who tried - and apparently succeeded - in forcing the people of
southern Lebanon to cough up the cash to pay for their own oppressors.
I better remember what I wrote in my newspaper just over six years ago, that
"the degree of abuse and outright threats now being directed at anyone ...
who dares to criticize Israel ... is fast reaching McCarthyite proportions.
The attempt to force the media to obey Israel's rules is ... international".
And growing, I should now add.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 10:41 pm
From: AnonMoos
Hey StriderCabal, I think we Americans will determine who is
and who isn't an American hero, without any input from lying racist
Serbian hate-bigots like you! Flag-burning "hate-America-firsters"
may not qualify...
--
المتبرجة خير
من الإرهابي
المنتحر
Murderers are not martyrs! http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 4:32 am
From: flaviaR@verizon.net
On 27-Mar-2006, "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote:
> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:cq1Wf.259$I7.225@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> > The lonesome death of Rachel Corrie
>
> How is her death lonesome? It is constantly being brought up by silly
> antisemites and kooks, such as yourself.
And it couldn't have been lonesome, as she was surrounded by at
lest half a dozen people who stood around & let her
a) SIT in front of a bulldozer
b) didn't pull her out of its lousy 2-5 MPH path
Susan
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 9:08 pm
From: "princeandy"
"Jim E" <YD653126@sea.edu> wrote in message
news:48rnitFlf169U1@individual.net...
>
> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:cq1Wf.259$I7.225@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> > The lonesome death of Rachel Corrie
> >
>
> How many people do you expect to join you in death
> by waiting for a dozer to crunch your but?
> Any idiot un American traitorous bitch who is that stupid deserves to be
> ground into the dirt.
> Shit be upon allah.
>
>
>
> Jim E
Jim E the traitorous American -if you had any doubts, try turning yur back
on him. Pathetic isnt it. And no doubt he's doing well in America.
>
>
>
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TOPIC: A mosque....is it a battle field ?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/7e76b7acc868a33b
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 4:02 pm
From: "Feelers"
or was it MOSSAD??
"Aardman" <aardman@msn.com> wrote in message
news:B6idnYthQKI8BbXZnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> "Bad boy" <badboy_sinland@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:4427a0d2$1@news.starhub.net.sg...
>>A Mosque is a place for prayer, a holy place.
>> It should not be made into an arena for battle.
>>
> Where were you when Al Quaeda blew up Al Askariya?
> That counts as a desecration I should think.
> Oh, yeah, its only when an infidel gets within 500 yards of a mosque
> that you people start to snivel.
>
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TOPIC: Target pharmacist is fired over Plan B controversy
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/dd1000b60e2963f5
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 10:05 pm
From: "Denis Loubet"
"Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
news:1143515312.848171.21760@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Four-Way Windowpane wrote:
>> Someone wrote...
>> >Well good for them. This woman's job was to fill prescriptions. If
>> >she is refusing to fill a valid prescription then she is refusing to
>> >do her job. Where wouldn't you get fired for such behavior?
>>
>> I used to work in a sporting goods department that sold hunting
>> licenses. Had I been an animal rights supporter and hunting
>> violated my personal beliefs, would I have the right to refuse
>> to write the licenses?
>
> If your store sold the licenses, and it was part of your job to do so,
> then no, your would not. However, if the store had other departments,
> you could always ask for a transfer to a different department because
> of your objections to selling hunting licenses.
Well, to be fair, he has the right to refuse, and accept the consequences,
including being fired.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 4:23 am
From: "David W. Barnes"
In article <R8udnbHDUoxsKLXZRVn-rg@io.com>, Denis Loubet
<dloubet@io.com> wrote:
> "Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
> news:1143515312.848171.21760@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Four-Way Windowpane wrote:
> >> Someone wrote...
> >> >Well good for them. This woman's job was to fill prescriptions. If
> >> >she is refusing to fill a valid prescription then she is refusing to
> >> >do her job. Where wouldn't you get fired for such behavior?
> >>
> >> I used to work in a sporting goods department that sold hunting
> >> licenses. Had I been an animal rights supporter and hunting
> >> violated my personal beliefs, would I have the right to refuse
> >> to write the licenses?
> >
> > If your store sold the licenses, and it was part of your job to do so,
> > then no, your would not. However, if the store had other departments,
> > you could always ask for a transfer to a different department because
> > of your objections to selling hunting licenses.
>
> Well, to be fair, he has the right to refuse, and accept the consequences,
> including being fired.
CBS News/New York Times Poll. Nov. 18-21, 2004
"Should pharmacists who personally oppose birth control for religious
reasons be able to refuse to sell birth control pills to women who have
a prescription for them, or shouldn't pharmacists be able to refuse to
sell birth control pills?"
Republicans
Should be able to Refuse 25%
Should not be able to Refuse 70%
Democrats
Should be able to Refuse 12%
Should not be able to Refuse 85%
Independents
Should be able to Refuse 14%
Should not be able to Refuse 78%
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 10:57 pm
From: "Denis Loubet"
"David W. Barnes" <dbarnes@aol.com> wrote in message
news:270320062023256068%dbarnes@aol.com...
> In article <R8udnbHDUoxsKLXZRVn-rg@io.com>, Denis Loubet
> <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
>
>> "Mark Sebree" <sebree@infionline.net> wrote in message
>> news:1143515312.848171.21760@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Four-Way Windowpane wrote:
>> >> Someone wrote...
>> >> >Well good for them. This woman's job was to fill prescriptions. If
>> >> >she is refusing to fill a valid prescription then she is refusing to
>> >> >do her job. Where wouldn't you get fired for such behavior?
>> >>
>> >> I used to work in a sporting goods department that sold hunting
>> >> licenses. Had I been an animal rights supporter and hunting
>> >> violated my personal beliefs, would I have the right to refuse
>> >> to write the licenses?
>> >
>> > If your store sold the licenses, and it was part of your job to do so,
>> > then no, your would not. However, if the store had other departments,
>> > you could always ask for a transfer to a different department because
>> > of your objections to selling hunting licenses.
>>
>> Well, to be fair, he has the right to refuse, and accept the
>> consequences,
>> including being fired.
>
> CBS News/New York Times Poll. Nov. 18-21, 2004
> "Should pharmacists who personally oppose birth control for religious
> reasons be able to refuse to sell birth control pills to women who have
> a prescription for them, or shouldn't pharmacists be able to refuse to
> sell birth control pills?"
>
> Republicans
> Should be able to Refuse 25%
> Should not be able to Refuse 70%
>
> Democrats
> Should be able to Refuse 12%
> Should not be able to Refuse 85%
>
> Independents
> Should be able to Refuse 14%
> Should not be able to Refuse 78%
Cool!
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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TOPIC: International Stuff
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5d1b6b36a66fef20
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 8:10 pm
From: "Frank Kalder"
marika wrote:
>
>
>
>
Unfortunately, a mistake occurred in my yesterday's post
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.europe/msg/5062463abc4dab73
- i.e., the first two lines should be omitted...
>
CU, Frank
--
www.haplif.de & www.haplif.de/61820.html [politics & economics]
http://groups.google.com/group/HAPLIF-GOVERNANCE [global vs. regional]
http://groups.google.com/group/HAPLIF-DESIGNER-FASHION [worldwide]
http://groups.google.com/group/HAPLIF-BLOGGING [international]
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 8:16 pm
From: "marika"
Frank Kalder wrote:
>
> > there's always a huge debate between newcomer Yankees when they
> > discover that the weiner stand puts coleslaw on the sausages instead of
> > the more familiar to yankees --sauerkraut
> >
> Although spelled differently, it's in fact the same stuff, isn't
> it?
yup
> >
> > > > I LOVE THESE GUYS! jeez. me and my latent rap love.
> > >
> > > They really got it ALL - cute HARD & CANDID [...]
> > > >
> > > > 'Let's get it done right, my click airtight
> > > > Trapped in a never ending gunfight so niggaz lose stripes
> > > > Or lose life, jail niggaz sendin kites to the street
> > > > Over some beef that wasn't fully cooked, finish em off'--hell on earth, mobb
> > > > deep
> > > >
> > > Bo, eh!
> > >
> > \\\
> >
> Meaning (of the three backslashes)?
bad typing that I didn't notice
>
> a) just stop it, b) nothing special, c) barking (woman on man), d)
> other ......
it could be barking if you want
> >
> > "i should just bark on you because i'm too much man to leave a mark on
> > you "---ghostface killah
> >
>
> ACK.
>
> --- --- ---
>
> *ELECTIONS on March 26, 2006*
>
> 1) Ukraine
>
> "KIEV, Ukraine, Monday, March 27 - President Viktor A. Yushchenko,
> who led a wave of popular protest to office promising a freer Ukraine
> aligned with Europe and the United States, suffered a stunning
> political defeat in parliamentary elections on Sunday, leaving him
> weakened and his reformist policies in doubt. [...]" -
> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/27/international/europe/27ukraine.html?hp&ex=1143435600&en=11ff5119b658f296&ei=5094&partner=homepage
>
wow didn't know but i guess it was never clear that he had a strong
majority. it's a lot like in the US when they have the president from
one party and the congress from another party.
>
> 2) Mayor of Kiev
>
> "There was no early polling data for one of the most closely watched
> local races, pitting former heavyweight boxing world champion Vitaly
> Klichko against city machine politician Oleksander Omelchenko for the
> politically powerful office of Kiev mayor. // The first official voting
> results for all races were expected late Sunday evening, with final
> results likely Monday." -
> http://news.monstersandcritics.com/europe/article_1150241.php/Exit_polls_No_dominant_winner_in_Ukraine_elections
>
>
let me know
If I was home my father would be giving me blow by blow information
> 3) Germany
>
> The elections in Baden-Württemberg, Rheinland-Pfalz and Sachsen-Anhalt
> ensued a victory of the CDU (Christian Conservatives) in those three
> 'federal states', i.e., the coalition can be maintained in B-W and
> R-P with the FDP (Liberals) and will, most probably, switch in S-A from
> the FDP to the SPD (Social Democrats), resulting in a grand coalition
> CDU/SPD).
>
>
> *MY HOMELAND MEMORIES*
SO PRETTY
and more kausruhe!!
I don't know why exactly but sometimes, in the us they call some cows
Bossy -- here Bossy!
http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-bos1.htm
http://www.bossythecow.com/bossycomic3.htm
mk5000
"What chu want girl, you gettin mad now
That's how you do it, huh?
Well i'm the coolest one
In fact, it's in the back bring em to the front "--kelis, bossy
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TOPIC: Illegal Hispanic Immigration & rally in LA
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e63b1886ffbf4d6f
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 4:17 am
From: flaviaR@verizon.net
On 27-Mar-2006, justin david smith <justindavid@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 26 Mar 2006 21:48:17 -0800, "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Another joo who loves spics and niggers so much she lives in a building
> >where the only spics and niggers are servants.
Not that the lying bigot can prove.
> >
> >Why don't you push for affirmative action in your own backyard?
I figure he spews non sequtir/lies because he knows he has nothing else.
> >Anytime that happens, the joos suddenly don't want them
See previous statement
-- but it's
> >okay for everyone else to get dumped with the orcs.
> >
No, it's not okay for anyone to get dumped with this poster.
> >
> >
> >Miriam Cohen wrote:
> >> Why is it that you bigots have to lie about everything? The 500,000
> >> demonstrators in LA were *NOT* illegals nor were they all "Hispanics"
> >> (the correct word BTW is Latinos) Also had you not limited your
> >> "reading" to simply CNN you'd know that Latinos have given much to this
> >> country, far more than we give them. Bigots like you make me want to
> >> hurl.
>
> Maybe they should implement "affirmative action" in Israel.
It's nice when bigots expose themselves so thoroughly:
a) equating Israel with Jews
b) bringing Israel into a discussion when it was not mentioned
c) ignoring the fact that onoy Israel out of all the nations in the
world airlifted an entire black population INTO Israel.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 4:18 am
From: flaviaR@verizon.net
On 26-Mar-2006, beernuts <beerwithnuts@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Salah Jafar wrote:
> > It was tested by by pissing on the Jews and your mother after she give
> > me a Jooz special on my cock.
> > SJ
>
> Don't bother posting yours...
Surely he just DID post his IQ (or lack thereof).....?
Susan
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 8:28 pm
From: "Dr. bitter anko"
J.Venning のメッセージ:
> "Dr. bitter anko" <kaz762@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:1143487135.182758.152890@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >So the japs are/were a threat for the Whites. Approximately a century
> >ago, the Whites established the law which excludes the jap immigrants
> >from N. America.
> >
> Bullshit! There were no such laws passed against the Japanese in North America! Cite it, and give your source!
> J.
Alien Land Laws
http://www.santacruzpl.org/history/ww2/9066/land.shtml
A Short Chronology of Japanese American History
http://www.janet.org/janet_history/niiya_chron.html
The Alien Land Laws completely shut out all the japs from N. America.
It's the real history and the cause of the WW2. Due to the laws, Japan
had got to involve with the development of Manchuria to gain lands for
peasants, poors to immigrate.
Now, everyone knows you are the bullshit.
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TOPIC: NOBODY IS AFRAID OF ISRAEL OR U.S. ANY MORE
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/219d49830c13ed03
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 4:20 am
From: flaviaR@verizon.net
On 26-Mar-2006, "bernardz" <bernardz@mail.com> wrote:
> serwad wrote:
> > BOTH ARE BUNKRUPTED, BOTH TECHNOLOGICALLY AND MORALLY TO SAY NOTHING
> > ABOUT
> > THE ECONOMIC DEMISE OF ISRAEL, WHICH CANNOT FEED ITSELF FOR A MONTH
> > WITHOUT
> > LEECHING ONTO UNITED STATES TAXPAYER!
>
HAHAHA! Good one...!
>
> The PA now is TECHNOLOGICALLY, MORALLY and ECONOMICALLY BUNKRUPTED!
Whadaya mean NOW???
Susan
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TOPIC: What makes a religion valid?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/692fbde3edebb694
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 8:23 pm
From: "Arindam Banerjee"
*Anarcissie* wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> > *Anarcissie* wrote:
> > > Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> > > > *Anarcissie* wrote:
> > > > > Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > We do not all wear baseball caps and watch American football and eat
> > > > > > hot dogs, while thumping our chests and loudly and proudly proclaiming
> > > > > > that our way is the *only* way on the planet.
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, _baseball_hats_! We musn't mention Americans without
> > > > > _baseball_hats_! But wait a minute: the subject wasn't about
> > > > > Americans at all. How did _they_ creep in?
> > > >
> > > > When someone talks about one planet and all being one world, etc. one
> > > > can safely bet that the one doing the talking is an American, and he is
> > > > talking about the one and only world he knows.
> > >
> > > This may come as a great shock to you, but I have read books
> > > and articles by people who were not Americans, indeed, who were
> > > not even writing in English, who took the whole planet, or the whole
> > > human race, as their subject.
> >
> > Oh indeed. Then may I ask how many books you have read written by
> > established Indian writers writing in any Indian (non-English)
> > language? And what you made of them? I have read many many books
> > written in the English language, and I am now reading, albeit with
> > difficulty, Salinger's "Catcher in the Rye" as it was given to me as a
> > birthday present.
>
> That is admirable, I suppose, but it has nothing to do with the
> subject at hand.
Oh yes it has. I know English, you do not know any Indian language.
And yet you presume to jump into a discussion about conditions in
ancient India relating to sacrifice and meat eating.
>
> > >Apparently knowing nothing about
> > > Diamond, you have put him in blinders, or rather, a baseball hat:
> > > but you are the person who is wearing the baseball hat.
> >
> > You raised the topic of Diamond, I did not.
>
> And you said he was ignorant, without knowing anything about
> him. Another baseball-hatted American.
Instead of cutting and pasting to your taste, and making assertions
about what I wrote, could you give the *full* transcript of where I
said Diamond was ignorant? As it is, you are only trying to put a
label on me! Not that I mind being called a baseball-capped American,
as in the 60-80s period I admired them so much. And I am very grateful
to the Americans for publishing my paper on partial match retrievals,
way back in 1987. I got a very good job here in Australia on the
strength of that. So I do not understand why some people seem to think
I am anti-American! When I criticise them, it is for their good, and I
do that using my insight. Like, I always deplored the last invasion of
Iraq - it was a wrong thing to do, in every way. But did I make any
friends for that, prior to that disaster? No. All I got for my
efforts were low and crude abuse. The opinion of Our Morris carried
the day. Now, see, who was right and who was wrong! Looks like the US
public opinion is now against the Iraq war. Not that I set a great
store by public opinion, as that is so malleable. It is just that I
think that the current low opinion will not go higher any more, no
matter what the media and govt does.
>
> > ....
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TOPIC: "Baseball Players, Yes - Castro No !!!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ddf17b29dfecda8
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 8:26 pm
From: Seneca
On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 16:45:13 -0800, RAFAEL H. PEREZ ROURA
<r.h.perez@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> "Seneca" <Hispania@latin.com> wrote in message
> news:op.s63iorxtbkossn@cx214697-a...
>>
>> Mira cubiche pendejo, tengo un puente en San Diego que te vendo por $3.
>>
> ...a classic Victurdian response
You better use mouthwash, your mouth stinks!
Cubano comemierda.
>
>
>
> Bonus Flashback:
> Victor M. Rodriguez Dominguez <rodri...@soca.com> wrote in message
> news:391CA50F.FBE72A18@soca.com...
>
>
>> Oye, te he contado sobre un puente en Long Beach que estoy vendiendo?
>
>
>
> Coño Victurd, tu tienes un "fetish" de vender puentes en California.
> Vas a
> dejar a los chicanitos sin refugio.
>
>
--
Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
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TOPIC: ZIONAZI DERSHOWITZ-PLAGIARIST AND A LIAR!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e0ce0cabb8470242
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 4:28 am
From: flaviaR@verizon.net
On 26-Mar-2006, "joe six pack" <manassetecsico@yahoo.com> wrote:
> bernardz wrote:
>
> >
> > Finkelstein is not a credible historian. Finkelsteins writes, "It is
> > hard to make out any difference between the policy Dershowitz advocates
> > and the Nazi destruction of Lidice, for which he expresses
> > abhorrence-except that Jews, not Germans, would be implementing it."
> > (p. 176). I've been reading Dershowitz for a long time, and comparing
> > his mild proposals for dealing with terrorism with the Lidice massacre
> > of 1942 is just batty.
> >
> > Dershowitz actually wrote in the passage Finkelstein cites: "[Israel]
> > would then publicly declare precisely how it will respond in the event
> > of another terrorist act, such as by destroying empty houses in a
> > particular village that has been used as a base for terrorists, and
> > naming that village in advance."
> >
> > Um ... "destroying empty houses" doesn't exactly sound like genocide to
> > me
>
> question is, how those houses got empty ?!
> is there a surplus of housing in the palestinian lands ?
When the IDF goes to destropy a house for either being
built without a permit (which happens to everyone who does
this) or being used for terrorist puroses (which is only done
by the PLO et al), they get everyone out first. That's how
they get empty.
Susan
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TOPIC: Florida: Stench of Fraud Drives Voting Machine Mfgrs Away
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/94b5f5e9d60dcab
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 4:37 am
From: "Guy"
"Ray Benson" <no_valid@email.address> wrote in message
news:122grq6838p0u69@news.supernews.com...
> On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 22:52:23 +0000, NY.Transfer.News wrote:
>
>
>> TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Elections controversies just seem to stick to
>> Florida. With the memory of a botched 2000 presidential election still
>> etched in the minds of most elections supervisors in the state, Leon
>> County's Ion Sancho is now finding he can't get the equipment he says he
>> needs to guarantee an honest election.
>>
>>
>
>
> This is all total bullshit.
>
> For an honest election you need (drumroll please) a paper trail.
> So.....you take a sheet of paper, put the candidates names and boxes for
> check marks. Give the voter a pencil.
>
You also need a truly random audit, with the machines chosen AFTER the
counts are extracted, using that paper trail. Any state where the law
doesn't require such an audit, but only demands a recount when the result
for a race is within a specified margin, is effectively no longer a
democracy.
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TOPIC: We're FRICKED, peoplez !!!!!!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6b3ac486f8a62a5e
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Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 3:42 pm
From: imorf
immortality@so.really.really.really.old.net wrote:
>>>Then as the ocean waters heat up, frozen methane is increasingly released
>>>from the ocean floor, accelerating the process (already starting to happen)
>>yes.
>>>then perhaps in as little as 20-80 years there can be a quite sudden cooling
>>>due to other side effects of global warming, resulting in another long ice-age.
>>please elaborate on this part.
>
> The exact mechanisms are not yet understood though it is suspected that
> it may be because of forests drying out & burning pretty much worldwide
> releasing huge amounts of smoke & fine particulates, blocking out enough
> of the sunlight for years to cause a rapid drop in temperatures, ocean current
> upheavals, widespread snow, sea surface ice, land glaciation etc etc etc.
I just think your time frame of 20-80 years is too short. You are
extrapolating from past occurrences that lacked man's influence,
humankind won't allow global forest fires to burn indefinitely (we are
too greedy to allow such a waste of wood). It would only be massive
volcanism causing dimming we would have no control over.
>
> Ice & snow reflect light & heat, preventing warming such that ice ages
> can last for vast periods of time. eg: much of the Earths history has
> been in ice ages. Short warm periods like now are the exception, not the rule.
Irrelevant, since most of Earth's history did not have industrial
mankind in plague proportions.
> Judging by previous cycles, the longer & hotter the warm period,
> the colder, longer & more extreme the ice age will be.
> Ours is one of the longest & warmest known periods.
and it will go on indefinitely due to anthropogenic CO2 input, until we
reduce CO2 production to below levels that allow for natural processes
to remove it from the atmosphere faster than what we are adding. This
will probably never happen (not in this century anway), and also take a
long long time to complete.
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TOPIC: Hu's visit to the USA ....to be cancelled or postponed ?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/56594504dc988bd5
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Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 8:54 pm
From: "Bad boy"
<demorising@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> Bad boy wrote:
>> <demorising@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1143511763.996375.266750@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Bad boy wrote:
>> >> <demorising@aol.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:1143493875.107840.256500@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >
>> >> > Bad boy wrote:
>> >> >> <bmoore@nyx.net> wrote in message
>>
>>
>> > Hu Jintao will be the first Chinese leader not to be afforded a state
>> > visit on his first trip to Washington. Jiang Zemin performed a state
>> > visit in 1997. Bush and Clinton both had state visits to China. It is
>> > Hu Jintao who is the loser; he will go to Washington and take his
>> > bitter medicine.
>>
>> Repeat, ..you are NOT the spokesman
>> for Hu...stop talking cock.
>>
>> Bad boy.
>
> I agree I am NOT the spokesman. I am telling you the TRUTH...
Truth my foot.
How do you know the mind of Hu if you are not
the mouth piece of Hu.
Talking cock.
Bad boy
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TOPIC: las mentiras del kastro estalinismo...
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/89264fa0bea57318
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Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 8:46 pm
From: "PM"
http://www.canf.org/2005/principal.htm
las mentiras del kastro estalinismo...
http://www.canf.org/2005/principal.htm
las mentiras del kastro estalinismo...
http://www.canf.org/2005/principal.htm
las mentiras del kastro estalinismo...
--
THE MOST DANGEROUS ENNEMY OF HUMANITY :
ARE NOT THE NUCLEAR OR MASS DESTRUCTION WEAPONS,
BUT STUPIDITY, FOR WHICH EVERY MINUTE... MANY HUMANS GET HURT.
¿SE LIBERARAN ALGUN DIA DELA ESTUPIDEZ?
http://www.canf.org/2005/principal.htm
http://www.canf.org/2005/principal.htm
http://www.canf.org/2005/principal.htm
http://www.canf.org/2005/principal.htm
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