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Monday, March 27, 2006

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* Hu's visit to the USA ....to be cancelled or postponed ? - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/dc57d1554f400f9c
* There's still time - vote in the 9/11 poll - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/68097de5a8e9286f
* Target pharmacist is fired over Plan B controversy - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/dd1000b60e2963f5
* WHEN MINORITIES RULE OVER MAJORITIES - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ab9ac19aa1c3d6f0
* CHRISTIAN BIBLE IS A TEXTBOOK IN AMERICA - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/12542c225f517593
* GOVERNMENTS MUST RESPECT MINORITY RIGHTS TO BE RIGHTEOUS - Afghanistan and
China take heed! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d0843135830a26cf
* It's Hard Out Here For Some Blacks To Understand OSCARZ Award For Pimp Song -
1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/3d457b28e7c423a1
* La jihad se extiende a Brasil - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b52f9c9d64a1baa3
* Turkish Dogs Are The Best - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2d79b82a2e8127ea
* MURDER OF RACHEL CORRIE, AN AMERICAN HEROINE - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/230b20b958a3d3ba
* Factories, Cities Across USA Exceed Water Pollution Limits - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e1360d79e8d590ab
* Illegal Hispanic Immigration & rally in LA - 4 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/965a78900803abba
* How to tackle the rising Islamophobia in US ? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/782b1f82299e7e5
* EINSTEIN-PHONY.LIAR,PLAGIARIST! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/252ea6d968f0cf6d
* Moussaoui is a hero that exercised his 5th amendment right. He should not
even be on trial in that kangaroo court! - 3 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/be9036f2f5a59f35
* SENSACIONALES REVELACIONES EN EL PROGRAMA : "A MANO LIMPIA " - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a7be2187a58e4da4
* A mosque....is it a battle field ? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/7e76b7acc868a33b
* they are sending nuts back to iraq! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f06914bb3800a6a7

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TOPIC: Hu's visit to the USA ....to be cancelled or postponed ?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/dc57d1554f400f9c
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 8:20 pm
From: Tweety

On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:36:51 +0800, "Bad boy" <badboy_sinland@yahoo.com> wrote:

You are the real boastful retarded garbage dump!

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TOPIC: There's still time - vote in the 9/11 poll
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/68097de5a8e9286f
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 2:18 am
From: "effty"

They took it down. It's some American Idol thing now.

It was at 82% when I voted a few days ago.

~e.

"Tim" <TCarpenter@mezzo.org> wrote in message
news:122fmblhe90s07d@news.supernews.com...
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> Do you agree with Charlie Sheen that the U.S. government covered up the
> real events of the 9/11 attacks?
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> http://edition.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/showbiz.tonight/
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> Results as of 3/27/06@6:24 CST
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> Yes 84% 42737 votes
> No 16% 8092 votes
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> Can we all just quit pretending yet?
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TOPIC: Target pharmacist is fired over Plan B controversy
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/dd1000b60e2963f5
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 2:20 am
From: Four-Way Windowpane

Someone wrote...
>Well good for them. This woman's job was to fill prescriptions. If
>she is refusing to fill a valid prescription then she is refusing to
>do her job. Where wouldn't you get fired for such behavior?

I used to work in a sporting goods department that sold hunting
licenses. Had I been an animal rights supporter and hunting
violated my personal beliefs, would I have the right to refuse
to write the licenses? Should a Mormon supermarket cashier
refuse to sell cigarettes and beer? Should a vegetarian butcher
refuse to sell meat? Should a xian bookstore clerk refuse to
sell korans?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 7:08 pm
From: "Mark Sebree"

Four-Way Windowpane wrote:
> Someone wrote...
> >Well good for them. This woman's job was to fill prescriptions. If
> >she is refusing to fill a valid prescription then she is refusing to
> >do her job. Where wouldn't you get fired for such behavior?
>
> I used to work in a sporting goods department that sold hunting
> licenses. Had I been an animal rights supporter and hunting
> violated my personal beliefs, would I have the right to refuse
> to write the licenses?

If your store sold the licenses, and it was part of your job to do so,
then no, your would not. However, if the store had other departments,
you could always ask for a transfer to a different department because
of your objections to selling hunting licenses.

> Should a Mormon supermarket cashier
> refuse to sell cigarettes and beer?

If the store sold cigarettes and beer, no. That is part of the job
description, and s/he knew it when s/he took the job. It is not
his/her job to impose his/her beliefs onto others.

> Should a vegetarian butcher
> refuse to sell meat?

No, since that is what a butcher does by definition, cut and sell meat.
If the butcher objected to selling meat, he would not have become a
butcher in the first place.

> Should a xian bookstore clerk refuse to
> sell korans?

If they stocked Korans, then no. The store's primary objective is to
sell its stock.

When you take a job, you are responsible for fulfilling the
requirements of the job. Refusing to do your job and pissing off the
customers is a quick way to get fired for cause. However, where
possible, you are allowed to go to the management and express your
concerns and why you do not want to perform certain tasks. Sometimes
accommodations can be made, other times, they cannot. If what you are
refusing to do is central to your job, such as filling legal
prescriptions, then refusing to do so for personal reasons is not a
sufficiently good reason, since you are effectively refusing to do the
job that you were higher for and paid a bundle to do.

Mark Sebree

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TOPIC: WHEN MINORITIES RULE OVER MAJORITIES
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ab9ac19aa1c3d6f0
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 2:25 am
From: usenet@mantra.com2hi and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

With a grain of salt: When Minorities rule over Majorities

http://www.hinduvoice.net

[ From: Bhaskar Dasgupta <bdasgupta@gmail.com
[ Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2006

With a grain of salt: When Minorities rule over
Majorities

By Bhaskar Dasgupta

It is rather strange to consider, in this day and age,
that there are still countries which are ruled by
minorities. Given the decidedly strong emphasis and
direction that the world has towards majority rule in a
liberal democratic framework, minority rule is the
exception and the few countries which are remaining are
on the path to reform. Well, perhaps "reform" is too
optimistic a word, but let us just say that the trend is
away from minority ruled countries. The countries which
remain are becoming even more glaring to the eye.

Off the top of my head, I can think of Syria, Zimbabwe,
South Africa, Iraq, Rwanda, Kenya and possibly Jordan as
countries which are either existing or have recently been
exposed to this piquant situation of a minority ruling
over a majority. I know many people will ask me about
Israel and Palestine, but frankly, I am tired of that
lot, far too much attention has been paid to that area
for too long. Let me put it in another way, if you had
totted up all the multilateral and bilateral aid which
has been poured into Israel and Palestine, and then taken
that money and poured it into other hotspots with issues
such as Congo, Kashmir, Bosnia, Central America or
Columbia, we would have seen better results. Fifty years
and billions down the drain and nothing has been
resolved. A pox on both their houses, so to say! But I
digress. Back to our theme.

Syria has been ruled by the Alawi sect, South Africa was
ruled by the Afrikaners, Iraq by the Sunni's, Zimbabwe by
Robert Mugabe's tribe (Shona), Rwanda by the Tutsi's,
Kenya by the Kiyukis and Jordan by the Bedouins. All of
them have been minorities. Strangely enough, all of these
situations can be traced back to their colonial masters.
Whether we are talking about Syria or South Africa, it is
a colonial hangover which hangs over these countries.
When the imperial colonial power wanted to rule the
country, it obviously needed to have its agents, through
which it could work. Think back to British India, where a
quarter of a million British men controlled a country of
300 million people. Keeping people divided was best and
thus gave rise to agents who were powerful enough to keep
rest of the population under control, but not powerful
enough to threaten the viability of the colonial regime.

Then came independence, where power was handed over to
the dominant party. Whether it be a monarchy (Iraq,
Jordan and Syria) or the dominant "resistance" party
(Kenya and Rwanda), the fact remains that power was
transferred over to the person or persons who were
shouting the loudest or promised to keep the colonial
links alive. We all know what happened after that. The
dominant party entrenched itself, eviscerated opposition
parties, locked up every possible threat to its power,
put in tribal or sectarian members in key positions,
corruption flourished and extreme nationalism was the
name of the game.

As we have seen in the above mentioned examples, the
minority parties or groups stay in power by controlling
its main levers. These are common to all, control over
the law/order framework (judiciary, police, intelligence
agencies), the military and a vast number of jobs and
power patronage network (usually because the economy is
strongly socialist or nationalist - definitely not free
market). The last point is particularly important; as
while fear can be the key, it is not the lock. The lock
is the general minutiae of day to day living, the rules
and regulations governing jobs, electricity bills,
availability of information (TV, Radio, and Internet),
phone connections, etc. Once you swamp this day to day
existence with silly, archaic, corrupt and inefficient
ways of working, you have control. This allows a small
and centralised elite to control the vast forces of power
and patronage. This is further buttressed by secrecy,
intimidation and fear by the security services and army.
It is no surprise that most of the above mentioned
examples are shown to have the support of the army.

The problem which comes up is when one is faced with the
fact that this sort of state characteristic (minorities
ruling the state) that it is becoming even more eye-
catching and rare. Iraq and South Africa are two prime
examples of what soft power and/or hard power does. Soft
power such as EU's efforts, the United Nations and other
multi-lateral agencies in South Africa, versus the hard
power push such as by the USA in Iraq. Despotic regimes
such as these are now becoming the exception rather than
the rule and managing to perpetuate these regimes is
becoming even more of a difficult choice. Look at North
Korea, Syria, Kenya and Jordan. Specially look at Syria
and Jordan. They are in a dangerous place in the world,
and frankly, both ruling regimes simply exist because of
their huge repressive state administration. If you ask
me, these would probably not exist for very much longer.
Also the natural antipathy and disenchantment of the
majority or other groups allows external parties to drive
big cracks into the state edifice. But not always, it
helps if you have oil or belong to an area which is
dangerous or if you turn into something which is not easy
to remove (e.g. North Korea with Nuclear Weapons).

The problem with power being concentrated in few hands is
when those few hands are chopped off (figuratively or
literally); the entire edifice falls apart very quickly.
See South Africa and Iraq for examples. Unfortunately, to
protect their existence, these regimes lash out and lash
out usually with dire results internally. Look at
Zimbabwe, Kenya, North Korea, Syria and Jordan. Even if
we disregard North Korea, the rest of these regimes have
an extremely repressive internal security system. In
addition, what better way of getting the public's mind
off internal loss of freedom and state repression than by
stoking nationalistic fervour? Hence most of these
regimes, in some shape or form, have been involved in
external fights at worst or intrigues at best.

To wrap up, these regimes are going to die off, but it
will not be an easy task, either for their populations or
for their neighbours and even for the world community. It
is indeed a smart cookie who does this, witness South
Africa. As we have seen in South Africa, it sometimes
also needs another smart cookie on the other side, who
will be able to take control and set the path of the
country firmly on the liberal democratic route. It is not
simple and many a hiccup happens, but I believe that
history is firmly on the side of the democratic angels
(so to say). As George Bernard Shaw once said: "Democracy
means the organization of society for the benefit and at
the expense of everybody indiscriminately and not for the
benefit of a privileged class". What the heck, here's
another interesting quote, "In democracy, it's your vote
that counts; in feudalism it's your count that votes."

All this to be taken with a grain of salt!

End of forwarded message from:
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Om Shanti

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TOPIC: CHRISTIAN BIBLE IS A TEXTBOOK IN AMERICA
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/12542c225f517593
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 28 2006 2:27 am
From: usenet@mantra.comBe6 and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

Maybe Laura has something to do with it. Books
used to be her hobby and profession.

Jai Maharaj
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In article <07%Vf.8621$9h5.1238@dukeread09>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
> is this part of bush's no-child-left-behind (in math and
> kirastani science) program?
>
>
> www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) posted:
>
> > CHRISTIAN BIBLE IS A TEXTBOOK IN AMERICA
> >
> > Forwarded message from Naresh Khanna
> >
> > [ Subject: Bible as Textbook
> > [ From: Naresh Khanna
> > [ Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006
> >
> > *Georgia** Considers Bible as Textbook*
> >
> > By Patrik Jonsson
> > The Christian Science Monitor
> > Monday, March 27, 2006
> >
> > Atlanta (March 27) - Decatur High School student Kurt
> > Hughes wouldn't call himself religious. He's never even
> > read the Bible.
> >
> > Nhat V. Meyer, San Jose Mercury News / KRT
> >
> > Although many school districts offer classes about the
> > Bible in historical, literary and cultural contexts,
> > Georgia would become the first state to require such
> > classes be available to its students. Classes on the
> > Bible are legal in public schools as long as the content
> > is not endorsed.
> >
> > But he wouldn't mind taking a class on the holy text if
> > it were offered at his high school in Decatur, Ga. After
> > all, "You look at 'The Old Man and the Sea,' 'King
> > Arthur' and even 'The Matrix,' all have biblical
> > allusions," the junior says. "It'd be useful to know
> > exactly what's in it."
> >
> > The Georgia legislature seems poised to endorse just such
> > a course. Though students in many states enroll in
> > classes related to the Bible, Georgiawould become the
> > first *to require its Department of Education to put in
> > place a curriculum to teach the history and literature of
> > the Bible. Schools would use the book itself as the
> > classroom textbook. Specifically the bill would establish
> > electives on both the New and Old Testaments.*
> >
> > It has overwhelmingly passed both chambers, but needs a
> > final vote on a minor House change. The vote is expected
> > as early as Monday. If it passes, the state's Department
> > of Education has a year to establish Bible elective
> > courses in the curriculum.
> >
> > *Would you like to see objective Bible courses
> > available to all students?*
> >
> > No
> > *57%*
> >
> > Yes
> > *43%*
> >
> > *Total Votes: 3,178*
> >
> > In the late 1700s, Congress thought enough of the Bible
> > as a textbook that it printed 40,000 copies. But the bold
> > effort here in Georgia to use the Bible in today's
> > secular curricula may be about presenting it as a moral
> > code rather than a foundation to better understand the
> > biblical allusions in literature, critics say.
> >
> > "Behind this is the tension around the country about how
> > to go about doing a Bible elective, and a lot is at
> > stake," says Charles Haynes, director of the First
> > Amendment Center in Arlington, Va.
> >
> > *The Bible is already being used as a course study in as
> > many as 1,000 American high schools*, according to the
> > National Council on Bible Curriculum in Public Schools in
> > Greensboro, N.C. The US Supreme Court allows it as long
> > as it's presented objectively, and not taught as fact.
> > But the Georgia legislature's unprecedented decision to
> > wade into what is usually a school district initiative
> > has created concerns.
> >
> > For example, the bill's use of terms such as Old and New
> > Testament reflect a Protestant bias, some critics say.
> > After all, Catholics and Jews have different
> > interpretations and names for the tome. "To pick one is
> > to suggest that is the right Bible, which is a school
> > district making a faith statement," says Judith
> > Schaeffer, a lawyer for People For the American Way,
> > which works to maintain the separation of church and
> > state.
> >
> > Others worry that this trend - *Alabama and Missouri**
> > are also considering statewide Bible study classes* - is
> > part of the broader culture war over the role of religion
> > in civic life, and seeks to satisfy social conservatives
> > rather than enlighten students.
> >
> > "This is a political issue as much as it is a religious
> > issue," says Frances Paterson, a professor at Valdosta
> > State University who specializes in religion and public
> > education. "I would guess that [its sponsors] hope that
> > nobody is going to police this, and when people step over
> > the line, it's going to be ignored, either because
> > nobody's aware of it or they'd be intimidated into not
> > objecting."
> >
> > Its sponsors insist the bill aims to help students gain
> > broader understanding about the underpinnings of Western
> > culture, from Michelangelo to Hemingway.
> >
> > "The biggest misconception is that this teaches the Bible
> > when, in fact, it uses the Bible as the primary text to
> > teach a course in history and literature influenced by
> > the Bible," says a spokesman for Sen. Tommie Williams
> > (R), the bill's sponsor.
> >
> > The Bible was the most quoted source for the Founding
> > Fathers, Bible scholars say.
> >
> > The "New England Primer," with its heavy reliance on
> > scriptural texts to teach reading and comprehension,
> > instructed all presidents until James Garfield, according
> > to Kenyn Cureton, of the *Southern Baptist Convention*,
> > who studies early textbooks in US history.
> >
> > "It's amazing that we have jettisoned the Bible from the
> > classroom when it is the foundation of the Republic,"
> > says Dr. Cureton, a spokesman for the Convention with
> > headquarters in Nashville, Tenn.
> >
> > Many parents, however, may object to using the Bible as a
> > textbook since doing so may expose their children to the
> > book's various interpretations and criticism, some say.
> >
> > "A great many people in Georgia are conservative
> > Protestants who take the Bible literally, and that's
> > going to be a problem if you have an academic study of
> > the Bible...." says Dr. Paterson.
> >
> > 03-27-06
> >
> > End of forwarded message from Naresh Khanna
> >
> > Jai Maharaj
> > http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
> > http://www.mantra.com/jai
> > Om Shanti
> >
> > Hindu Holocaust Museum
> > http://www.mantra.com/holocaust
> >
> > Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
> > http://www.hindu.org
> > http://www.hindunet.org
> >
> > The truth about Islam and Muslims
> > http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate
> >
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TOPIC: GOVERNMENTS MUST RESPECT MINORITY RIGHTS TO BE RIGHTEOUS - Afghanistan
and China take heed!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d0843135830a26cf
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 6:31 pm
From: "rst0wxyz@yahoo.com"

>The Chinese never had a democratic revolution in China

It's coming up. Their leaders are: lecher dog, Jim Walsh, and bmo
within this newsgroup. Since the CCP themselves will not reform their
government, lecher dog will lead a group to overthrow them and will
lynch them when they are caught. They will then open the government to
its people and respect the rights of all citizens. There will be
elections throughout the country, and a government of the people, by
the people, and for the people will be established.

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TOPIC: It's Hard Out Here For Some Blacks To Understand OSCARZ Award For Pimp
Song
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/3d457b28e7c423a1
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 9:31 pm
From: Voice Of Reason <>

On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 11:34:22 -0800, Von Bailey
<ovbailey@noneofyourbusiness.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 13:47:52 -0500, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:12:45 -0800, Von Bailey
>><ovbailey@noneofyourbusiness.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:17:05 -0500, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 20:17:37 -0800, Von Bailey
>>>><ovbailey@noneofyourbusiness.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 21:13:54 -0500, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"It was a struggle for us last night because we wanted to root for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>blacks, but the blacks were pimps and hos on the Oscars, so it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>confounding," she said. "Image is everything, and we have to be so
>>>>>>>>>>>>careful about the way we position ourselves in front of larger
>>>>>>>>>>>>audiences."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Image is not everything and anyone with such a superficial concept of
>>>>>>>>>>>reality really should try harder at accumulating some depth.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Well alas not everyone in the `hood is as "deep" a thinker as you
>>>>>>>>>>believe yourself to be. Also some have at least a modicum of pride
>>>>>>>>>>and self-respect and don't wish to be associated in any way with
>>>>>>>>>>street thugs, pimps and hos. Imagine THAT.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Now all you have to do is explain why they are being associated with
>>>>>>>>>such people simply because some people sang a song on the television.
>>>>>>>>>Only bigots and racists would assume that black people are represented
>>>>>>>>>by that song and why should they care what bigots and racists think?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>IOW, they should drop their pride and self-respect.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The pride and self'respect of individual black people don't depend on
>>>>>>>the songs picked at the oscars. That's stupid on it's face and yet
>>>>>>>it's your usual best.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No, it's NOT stupid at all. What's there to be proud of when someone
>>>>>>belonging to the same narrow demographic profile celebrates pimps and
>>>>>>hos? It's just like the black lady above said: " `It was a struggle
>>>>>>for us last night because we wanted to root for the blacks, but the
>>>>>>blacks were pimps and hos on the Oscars, so it was confounding,` she
>>>>>>said. `Image is everything, and we have to be so careful about the
>>>>>>way we position ourselves in front of largeraudiences.`"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yep, she gets it and you don't. Status quo for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, she's worried about what white people will think and I'm not.
>>>>
>>>>IOW, she's not ignorant, but you *are* ignorant, and you're proud of
>>>>it too.
>>>>
>>>So according to you it's important what white people think of black
>>>people and we should be concerned about it? Why?
>>
>>No, it's important what *black* people think of black people, and they
>>*are* concerned about it, at least some are.
>>
>There's nothing wrong with what black people think about black people.

But some have concerns about some others, as evidenced by the quotes
in the article I posted. Or as shown by concerns evidenced by some
prominent blacks, like Bill Cosby and many others, for example.

>>>>>That would be something that would be high on your list of concerns,
>>>>>that black people worry about what other races (especially whites)
>>>>>will think of them.
>>>>
>>>>Why should I care what they think?
>>>>
>>>Don't know, yet here you are in a newsgroup for black people. If you
>>>don't care why are you here?
>>
>>Missing the point as usual.
>>
>As usual, when you can't articulate whatever you think your point is
>you say I'm missing it. Convienent way of attempting to hide your
>inability to describe your actions.

Nope, you're just continously confused. About a great many things.

>>>>>I'm not part of that crowd and quite frankly I'm
>>>>>pretty glad that more and more young black people feel the same way I
>>>>>do.
>>>>
>>>>Proof? Did ya take a survey?
>>>>
>>>Don't have to, there are examples of it everywhere.
>>
>>Sure, in the hip-hop clubs, on some street corners at 2 AM, in the
>>jails, and the graveyards. Did I miss anything else?
>>
>Yeah, Volks Wagon commercials where a white guy is using gang signs to
>define the VW logo. Or the hundreds of examples of hip-hop lingo
>being used in more and more media.

You've obviously never heard of targeted advertising. The ad that you
claim you saw probably only ran on BET and/or a show that is aimed
primarily at black folks, perhaps on the U Peoples Network. I've
never seen this particular commercial, because I don't normally tune
in to those channels.

>You being stuck in the past don't
>understand it or recognize it for what it is but that's fine. Like I
>said, such dinosaurs as you don't adapt and die off anyway. Our great
>fortune is that you claim not to have offspring and thus saving us the
>trouble of another generation of stupidity at least from your loins.

You're silly and ignorant and as usual, your paragraphs are packed
with lies, half-truths and assumptions.

>>>>>>>>>>>>"The only place many people see our culture is through movies and on
>>>>>>>>>>>>television, and at the same time, this country is experiencing an
>>>>>>>>>>>>influx of people coming over here from all over the world, and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>only thing they see of black America through the media is . . . pimps
>>>>>>>>>>>>and gangsters and all of that. It's always some low-down brother or
>>>>>>>>>>>>some welfare mother."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Why should anyone be concerned about people who gets their information
>>>>>>>>>>>about a very diverse culture of people from the television?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>See above.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I did. You didn't explain why they should be concerned, you assume
>>>>>>>>>they should be concerned without saying why.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Wrong, I did.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No you didn't. You made your usual bigotted assumption that black
>>>>>>>people as a whole should feel some responsibility for the actions of a
>>>>>>>few. Yet you don't seem to hold white people responsible as a whole
>>>>>>>for similar manifestations of social behavior in your own race. The
>>>>>>>duplicity of such a stance fits your usual hypocrisy and the logic
>>>>>>>your usual stupidty.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Because there are nearly as many "white" stereotypes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>...and you don't hold whites responsible as a whole for any of them.
>>>>>You reserve that duplicity for people of color.
>>>>
>>>>In fact, I can't think of many stereotypes applying to whites in
>>>>general, and those few that do exist are relatively trivial.
>>>>
>>>Do you have a list of stereotypes for other races that apply to that
>>>race in general? Mind listing them?
>>
>>Yes, I do, because this thread is about the Oscars committee honoring
>>a well-worn black stereotype.
>>
>...moreso because your list demonstrates that you are a bigot and
>listing your bigotted assumptions is embarassing.

Wrong, you keep accusing me of bigotry, yet consistently remain unable
to prove it. Because you can't prove something that isn't true.

>>>>>>>>>>>>Particularly offensive to Robinson, 36, was the performance by hip-hop
>>>>>>>>>>>>group Three 6 Mafia, featuring men dressed as pimps and women in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>hot pants and rabbit furs of streetwalkers. "I have no problem with
>>>>>>>>>>>>movies and songs being gritty," she said, "but I have a problem with
>>>>>>>>>>>>something that falls just short of a minstrel show."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Then he shouldn't be watching. That's what the television dial is
>>>>>>>>>>>for. I managed not to look at it at all and it didn't affect my life
>>>>>>>>>>>in the least.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Guess what, I didn't watch the show either, not one minute. But the
>>>>>>>>>>problem is that over 30 million Americans *did* tune in. And they saw
>>>>>>>>>>Hollyweed give them a minstrel show. You've come a long way since
>>>>>>>>>>MLK baby?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Sure have and as such I don't have to worry about bigots such as
>>>>>>>>>yourself using television shows as a representation of me as a black
>>>>>>>>>person. Many people are aware that there is a difference between a
>>>>>>>>>television awards show and reality and the numbers grow daily.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On the latter point, yes there's some truth to that. Still, any
>>>>>>>>self-respecting black leader should have been complaining to Hollywood
>>>>>>>>the next day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>...as if you know what a self-respecting black person would do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, I do. It's the same as a self-respecting member of any other
>>>>>>group would do when someone tries to cash in on a negative stereotype
>>>>>>of that group.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Then you would realize that your self-respect is not defined by what
>>>>>someone else is doing and it wouldn't bother you in the least. Self
>>>>>respect is based on what you as an individual may or many ont do, not
>>>>>what people you don't even know is doing.
>>>>
>>>>Except that if others who fit my narrow demographic slice do things
>>>>like self-destructive behavior, I'd be ashamed.
>>>>
>>>Then you'd be stupid, oh that's right, you are stupid. Anyone taking
>>>on the guilt of others actions is behaving in a self-destructive way.
>>>You have no responsibility for the actions of others.
>>
>>Now who said anything about taking responsibility or guilt for the
>>misdeeds of others? Clearly, ya have no idea what the concept of
>>shame is.
>>
>Why would you feel shame for the misdeeds of others unless you are
>somehow culpable for their actions? That is stupid.

No, you're just mixed up. It's not an issue of culpability, it's an
issue of belonging to the same group, the same narrow demographic
slice of people.

>>>>>>>>If an award had gone out to members of another group
>>>>>>>>who reinforced negative stereotypes, ya can be damn sure their leaders
>>>>>>>>would have been out in force on the airwaves the next day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Another of your ridiculous predictions about what would have happened
>>>>>>>if a different history existed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Except that this "ridiculous" prediction is pretty easy to make.
>>>>>>Whenever a show like The Sopranos gets awards, you will see
>>>>>>Italian-American leaders out in force the next day blasting that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>So what? Why do blacks as a whole have to act as Italian-Americans or
>>>>>in any monolithic way at all? Maybe Italian-Americans don't have more
>>>>>serious problems to deal with than what songs win at the oscars right
>>>>>now?
>>>>
>>>>Sure, because there are generally very few pimps to be found in
>>>>predominantly Italian-American neighborhoods. Which allows them to
>>>>focus on other important matters.
>>>>
>>>How do you know there are 'very few pimps to be found in predominantly
>>>Italian-American neighborhoods'?
>>
>>Because I lived in and around them for decades. In fact, I myself
>>have never seen pimps in any of the places I've lived, because I make
>>it a point of living in only high-class areas. No low-rent districts
>>for me.
>>
>Have you ever tried to find a pimp?

Nope, and I know that if I did, I'd be wasting my time if I searched
around the blocks where I live. You?

>>>>And I'd bet that if a bunch of pimps, accompanied by their hos, showed
>>>>up soliciting on *your* block, you'd no longer be celebrating that
>>>>Oscar but reaching instead for the phone number of the local police
>>>>station.
>>>
>>>Who said I was celebrating the oscar?
>>
>>Oh, so now you *do* agree that the Oscar committee should have found
>>some better role model to honor if they were bent on honoring blacks
>>this year?
>
>No I don't. I couldn't care less if the oscars award a song written
>by a black person one bit. Also, if they found a song by a black
>person or group good enough for an award I have no problem with that
>at all either. It's irrelevant as an issue in the general black
>community that I am aware of EXCEPT within the black entertainment
>community. And I haven't read anything by any of them condemning it
>so there is apparently no problem except in your mind.

I guess you didn't read the article I posted earlier from the
Washington Post either. Figures.

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TOPIC: La jihad se extiende a Brasil
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b52f9c9d64a1baa3
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 9:04 pm
From: "PM"

La jihad se extiende a Brasil
Por: Carlos Wotzkow

Queridos amigos,
El artículo de "La Jihad Ecologista", considerado por mis colegas
científicos como un magnífico análisis contra los ecoterroristas, ha sido
publicado por Guaracabuya y Cuba en el Mundo (dos webs magníficamente
cubanas), así como por otras dos webs Argentinas dedicadas a contrapesar la
desinformación que abunda en el gobierno montonero y pro-castrista de
Kichner (www.mitosyfraudes.org y www.losprincipiosonline.com.ar ) .
Sumamente importante es, en mi opinión, la traducción que ha hecho la
periodista Graça Salgueiro para Media Sin Máscara (www.midiasemmascara.org);
y que ahora re-edita la web de Puggina (ver link debajo). Como ustedes
saben, Brasil está siendo atacado por los grupos ecologistas dados sus
avances en materia de OGM. Los científicos brasileños, más preocupados en
alimentar al pueblo, que en exterminarlo por hambre, son víctimas constantes
del extremismo eco-marxista que ahora clasifica a los organismos
genéticamente modificados como "productos contaminantes".
Si seguimos así, terminaremos comiendo nuestra propia m...., para no quedar
contaminados!
Bravo por los brasileños
Un abrazo a todos
Carlos

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TOPIC: Turkish Dogs Are The Best
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2d79b82a2e8127ea
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 6:42 pm
From: "Ali Asker"

You should have point out to them that you are a *tURk*! This way they
may have taken you more seriously.

choro-nik wrote:
> I have reported him direct to AP. Click the Contact button on the Associated
> Press web page.
> --
> choro-nik
> *******
>
> "umu" <umu@topkale.net> wrote in message
> news:1143474298.859378.85060@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > choro-nik wrote:
> >> How do you know I have not already reported the matter with AP and not
> >> merely encouraging others to do the same as well?
> >> This matter is not over.
> >
> >> "Ali Asker" <pasa_as...@kurdistan.kd> wrote in message
> >> > Why don't you go and report to the where ever you want by yourself, you
> >
> > :-)
> > choro-nik, I reported this to the the Washington Post (cf. the given
> > link). I'm pretty sure we've made this pkk parasite mary-go-round with
> > his own errors. His end as a pkk suporter has finally come...
> >
> >
> >
> > BTW,
> > the most famous Turkish dog breeds
> > are the Kangal, Akbash, and Kars dogs:
> >
> > http://www.turkishdogs.com/
> > http://www.mindspring.com/~skocher/
> > http://people.unt.edu/tlt0002
> > http://www.kultur.gov.tr/portal/default_EN.asp?BELGENO=1604
> > http://www.theturkishtimes.com/archive/02/06_01/culture.html
> >
> >
> > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=turkish+dog
> >

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TOPIC: MURDER OF RACHEL CORRIE, AN AMERICAN HEROINE
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/230b20b958a3d3ba
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 9:48 pm
From: "serwad"

The lonesome death of Rachel Corrie

Exclusive download: The Lonesome Death of Rachel Corrie

Billy Bragg
Tuesday March 28, 2006
The Guardian

Rachel Corrie went to Gaza to draw attention to the plight of the
Palestinians, whose voice is seldom heard in her country, the US. That she
herself should be silenced - first by an Israeli bulldozer, next by a New
York theatre cancelling a play created from her words - is a testimony to
the power of her message. This song was written on a plane on March 20 and
recorded at Big Sky Recordings, Ann Arbor, Michigan on March 22. The tune is
borrowed from Bob Dylan.

Article continues

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

An Israeli bulldozer killed poor Rachel Corrie
As she stood in its path in the town of Rafah
She lost her young life in an act of compassion
Trying to protect the poor people of Gaza
Whose homes are destroyed by tank shells and bulldozers
And whose plight is exploited by suicide bombers
Who kill in the name of the people of Gaza
But Rachel Corrie believed in non-violent resistance
Put herself in harm's way as a shield of the people
And paid with her life in a manner most brutal
But you who philosophise disgrace and criticise all fears,
Take the rag away from your face.
Now ain't the time for your tears.

Rachel Corrie had 23 years
She was born in the town of Olympia, Washington
A skinny, messy, list-making chain-smoker
Who volunteered to protect the Palestinian people
Who had become non-persons in the eyes of the media
So that people were suffering and no one was seeing
Or hearing or talking or caring or acting
And the horrible math of the awful equation
That brought Rachel Corrie into this confrontation
Is that the spilt blood of a single American
Is worth more than the blood of a hundred Palestinians

But you who philosophise disgrace and criticise all fears,
Take the rag away from your face.
Now ain't the time for your tears.

The artistic director of a New York theatre
Cancelled a play based on Rachel's writings
But she wasn't a bomber or a killer or fighter
But one who acted in the spirit of the Freedom Riders
Is there no place for a voice in America
That doesn't conform to the Fox News agenda?
Who believes in non-violence instead of brute force
Who is willing to confront the might of an army
Whose passionate beliefs were matched by her bravery
The question she asked rings out round the world
If America is truly the beacon of freedom
Then how can it stand by while they bring down the curtain
And turn Rachel Corrie into a non-person?

Oh, but you who philosophise disgrace and criticise all fears,
Bury the rag deep in your face
For now's the time for your tears.

· My Name Is Rachel Corrie, co-edited by Alan Rickman and Guardian features
editor Katharine Viner, opens at the Playhouse theatre tonight. Telephone
0870 060 6631. For an exclusive download of the song, go to
guardian.co.uk/arts

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 7:07 pm
From: "Jim E"

"serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:cq1Wf.259$I7.225@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> The lonesome death of Rachel Corrie
>

How many people do you expect to join you in death
by waiting for a dozer to crunch your but?
Any idiot un American traitorous bitch who is that stupid deserves to be
ground into the dirt.
Shit be upon allah.

Jim E

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TOPIC: Factories, Cities Across USA Exceed Water Pollution Limits
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e1360d79e8d590ab
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 8:49 pm
From: charlie <@concordia.net>

http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/mar2006/2006-03-24-05.asp

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TOPIC: Illegal Hispanic Immigration & rally in LA
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/965a78900803abba
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 6:51 pm
From: richasiankid@hotmail.com

beernuts wrote:
> richasiankid@hotmail.com wrote:
> /snip/
>
> Please post your IQ, and include how and where it was tested. Thanks.

There are only two kinds of people. Those above average, and those
below average. Those who are rich, and those who are poor. Those who
have 3 digit IQs and those who have 2 digit IQs. I'd like to think that
I belong to the former???

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 6:53 pm
From: richasiankid@hotmail.com

rst0wxyz@yahoo.com wrote:
> >restrict entry to only
> >under 30 year old women. :)
>
> Starting tomorrow, you can go out and pick the tomotoes, lettuce,
> onions,...

I'll pay them to pick them for me, while I watch. That'd be
entertainment. That will give new meaning to 'freshly squeezed'.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 6:59 pm
From: "RichAsianKid"

drydem wrote:
> richasiankid@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Very interesting from CNN on the LA situation
> > http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US/03/25/immigration.rallies.ap/index.html
> >
> > And I have a preference. I'd like to tweak the outcome if I were a
> > politican. I have a very reasonable suggestion: restrict entry to only
> > under 30 year old women. :)
>
> Why 30? why not 55 or 5 or 38 or 22?

1. Numerically it's a rounded number
2. Esthetically they are most attractive
3. Biologically they are most fertile
4. Politically it's most feasible

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 7:07 pm
From: "RichAsianKid"

NYC XYZ wrote:
> justin david smith wrote:
> >
> >
> > Maybe they should implement "affirmative action" in Israel.
>
>
> It's funny how during the '50s Jews were very big on blacks getting
> equal rights and all, but after the riots of the '60s, Jews in the '70s
> started abandoning their Jewish neighborhoods in NYC once blacks and
> hispanics started moving in! Some were successful in resisting blacks
> and hispanics by "upgrading" their neighborhood such that only the
> upper middle-class could afford to live there, like Kew Gardens and
> Forest Hills.
>
> Sure we all know very worthy individual blacks and hispanics, but when
> the numbers tip over some certain point in an area, the place goes to
> hell 'cause half of them, good folks they may be, have some
> half-brother or cousin that's trouble who'll be coming around bringing
> his friends who are trouble....

The very famous saying is that old Jewish liberals have been 'mugged'
by reality (pun intended of course, that goes without saying) ...and
hence we have wannabe 'neoconservatives'!! ....i.e. real conservatives
would have rejected them back decades ago. as they are just second rate
wannabes.

I think that's why the modern conservative movement seem so 'fake' and
transparent in the world if you think of it. Besides it's based on many
liberal tenets. It simply has got no soul!!

I think that many Asian traditional conservatives, or traditional Anglo
conservatives enunciate the worldview (hehehe, Weltschauung, that big
word hey) much more precisely and consistently, even if they may not
necessarily be on the mark all the time. Just a casual thought.

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TOPIC: How to tackle the rising Islamophobia in US ?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/782b1f82299e7e5
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 6:52 pm
From: "Americano"

You have a point.

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TOPIC: EINSTEIN-PHONY.LIAR,PLAGIARIST!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/252ea6d968f0cf6d
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 9:55 pm
From: "serwad"

"John Smith" <JSmith888654778@aol.com> wrote in message
news:e099b0$bvk$1@news.datemas.de...
> May this stupid Croat, croak. Name one Croat who's left his mark on this
> world except for Nazi sympathizer, Ante Pavelich who was hanged.

NO, HE WAS NOT! I WISH THAT HE WAS, BUT PAVELICH LIVED HAPPILY NEAR MALAGA
SPAIN UNTIL HIS TICKER STOPPED TICKING FEW YEARS AGO!
>
>
>
>
> "Tilly" <TillyGr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4lQVf.8943$JZ1.328105@news.xtra.co.nz...
>> xgarievas@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>> > HA HA HA HA !! WHATEVER YOU SAY STUPID CROAT THIS MAN CHANGE THE WORLD
>> > AND HE IS JEW! YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
>>
>>
>> Alex wouldn't even understand Einstein's theories!
>>
>> --
>> TillyGr@hotmail.com
>>
>>
>
>

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TOPIC: Moussaoui is a hero that exercised his 5th amendment right. He should
not even be on trial in that kangaroo court!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/be9036f2f5a59f35
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 8:59 pm
From: Don Ocean

Moussoui committed suicide by admitting every charge. And you fucking
anti American pieces of shit can eat my shorts..That is until the next
time we feed you as murderous muzzie to the Hogs, that we are going to
sell to the Jews as Kosher Chicken! ;-p

en_andor_kathy@yahoo.com wrote:
> Moussoui is a hero! The evil FBI has been trying to say that Moussaoui
> lied to them about his involvement in the 9/11/01 successful mission.
> But Moussaoui's attorney is very skilled and has shown in court that
> Moussaoui was only exercising his 5th amendment right to not implicate
> himself in any crime.
>
> Besides, Moussaoui was not involved in 9/11/01 anyway it has been shown
> in court. Moussaoui said he was waiting for later and wanted to land a
> plane at the White House at a later date.
>
> And, supposedly, Moussaoui is not to be given the death penalty unless
> it is shown that he lied to the FBI about his involvement. And since
> he wisely invoked his 5th amendment rights he did not commit any crime
> at all. There is ABSOLUTELY NO REQUIREMENT that any person being
> interrogated must cooperate with law enforcement authorities.
>
> So, he should be walking on that death penalty charge. Even Judge
> Leonie Brinkema, who is always a stump broke mule when it comes to
> supporting the evil AmeriKKKan government, has said numerous times in
> court that Moussaoui had committed no crime by not cooperating with the
> authorities. Even as evil as she is, she had to come to the
> realization that the 5th amendment prevails in this case.
>
> I am still waiting to see if she does anything to yummy government
> attorney Carla Martin for her shenanigans in the case. Brinkema has
> threatened Carla with contempt of court charges for her coaching of
> prosecution witnesses. But, as Clara Peller used to say in the
> hamburger commercial, where's the beef? - an obstruction of justice
> charge!
>
> Brinkema has committed many, many sins and indiscretions in her many
> years on the bench as a footmat for AmeriKKKan 'justice'. She has
> surely bought herself a place in hell after she leaves this transitory
> mortal life. And she will probably be down there shagging around with
> Carla Martin, who has also committed many sins and indiscretions during
> her years for the 'Justice' Department. May a pox be on both of their
> houses!
>
> Allah Akbar!
>
> Ken AND Kathy
>

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 9:00 pm
From: Don Ocean

Liberty DEFEATS Islam! wrote:
> He will be pushing up daisies soon! :-)

Only after the Hogs we feed him to shit him back out! ;-p

>
>
> <ken_andor_kathy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1143506807.291572.156110@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Moussoui is a hero! The evil FBI has been trying to say that Moussaoui
>> lied to them about his involvement in the 9/11/01 successful mission.
>> But Moussaoui's attorney is very skilled and has shown in court that
>> Moussaoui was only exercising his 5th amendment right to not implicate
>> himself in any crime.
>>
>> Besides, Moussaoui was not involved in 9/11/01 anyway it has been shown
>> in court. Moussaoui said he was waiting for later and wanted to land a
>> plane at the White House at a later date.
>>
>> And, supposedly, Moussaoui is not to be given the death penalty unless
>> it is shown that he lied to the FBI about his involvement. And since
>> he wisely invoked his 5th amendment rights he did not commit any crime
>> at all. There is ABSOLUTELY NO REQUIREMENT that any person being
>> interrogated must cooperate with law enforcement authorities.
>>
>> So, he should be walking on that death penalty charge. Even Judge
>> Leonie Brinkema, who is always a stump broke mule when it comes to
>> supporting the evil AmeriKKKan government, has said numerous times in
>> court that Moussaoui had committed no crime by not cooperating with the
>> authorities. Even as evil as she is, she had to come to the
>> realization that the 5th amendment prevails in this case.
>>
>> I am still waiting to see if she does anything to yummy government
>> attorney Carla Martin for her shenanigans in the case. Brinkema has
>> threatened Carla with contempt of court charges for her coaching of
>> prosecution witnesses. But, as Clara Peller used to say in the
>> hamburger commercial, where's the beef? - an obstruction of justice
>> charge!
>>
>> Brinkema has committed many, many sins and indiscretions in her many
>> years on the bench as a footmat for AmeriKKKan 'justice'. She has
>> surely bought herself a place in hell after she leaves this transitory
>> mortal life. And she will probably be down there shagging around with
>> Carla Martin, who has also committed many sins and indiscretions during
>> her years for the 'Justice' Department. May a pox be on both of their
>> houses!
>>
>> Allah Akbar!
>>
>> Ken AND Kathy
>>
>
>

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 9:04 pm
From: Don Ocean

Gary Rumain wrote:
> The sooner the better. Dress him in seude and bury him in a pig sty. If
> there's one things the muzzies fear its an unclean death at the hands
> of infidels! LOL!!!

The American Army actually did that to quell the Philipino Muzzies in
the early 1900's right after we took that area in the Spanish American
war. It worked...The Philipines had the fattest Hogs in the Pacific! ;-p

>
> Liberty DEFEATS Islam! wrote:
>> He will be pushing up daisies soon! :-)
>>
>>
>> <ken_andor_kathy@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1143506807.291572.156110@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>> Moussoui is a hero! The evil FBI has been trying to say that Moussaoui
>>> lied to them about his involvement in the 9/11/01 successful mission.
>>> But Moussaoui's attorney is very skilled and has shown in court that
>>> Moussaoui was only exercising his 5th amendment right to not implicate
>>> himself in any crime.
>>>
>>> Besides, Moussaoui was not involved in 9/11/01 anyway it has been shown
>>> in court. Moussaoui said he was waiting for later and wanted to land a
>>> plane at the White House at a later date.
>>>
>>> And, supposedly, Moussaoui is not to be given the death penalty unless
>>> it is shown that he lied to the FBI about his involvement. And since
>>> he wisely invoked his 5th amendment rights he did not commit any crime
>>> at all. There is ABSOLUTELY NO REQUIREMENT that any person being
>>> interrogated must cooperate with law enforcement authorities.
>>>
>>> So, he should be walking on that death penalty charge. Even Judge
>>> Leonie Brinkema, who is always a stump broke mule when it comes to
>>> supporting the evil AmeriKKKan government, has said numerous times in
>>> court that Moussaoui had committed no crime by not cooperating with the
>>> authorities. Even as evil as she is, she had to come to the
>>> realization that the 5th amendment prevails in this case.
>>>
>>> I am still waiting to see if she does anything to yummy government
>>> attorney Carla Martin for her shenanigans in the case. Brinkema has
>>> threatened Carla with contempt of court charges for her coaching of
>>> prosecution witnesses. But, as Clara Peller used to say in the
>>> hamburger commercial, where's the beef? - an obstruction of justice
>>> charge!
>>>
>>> Brinkema has committed many, many sins and indiscretions in her many
>>> years on the bench as a footmat for AmeriKKKan 'justice'. She has
>>> surely bought herself a place in hell after she leaves this transitory
>>> mortal life. And she will probably be down there shagging around with
>>> Carla Martin, who has also committed many sins and indiscretions during
>>> her years for the 'Justice' Department. May a pox be on both of their
>>> houses!
>>>
>>> Allah Akbar!
>>>
>>> Ken AND Kathy
>>>
>

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 27 2006 9:49 pm
From: "PM"