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Today's topics:
* AFGANISTAN IS HEATING UP - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6ae442c9b1901ed0
* Israel no longer a key US asset - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/942df46d70254e1c
* "MEXICA MOVEMENT" SAYS GRINGOS (NOT ILLEGALS) MUST LEAVE (World Net Daily) -
1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e782f3c28fed89a
* Mexico President Says ' California will be Hispanic State' - June, 2000 - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/4d8731b697481be1
* NO FREE RIDE ANY MORE! - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/66b2a96e6aac1929
* Did Anyone Notice? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d42aac831cfa7f17
* Scores injured in Kurdish riots in Turkey - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c41b073c843cb4a7
* Global Warming Now Irreversible. Capitalist Way of Life Responsible - 3
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2660b5dca799b991
* If Kerry was President - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/290f004fa387d1a7
* Alliance of Civilizations? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/106b3927c20122bf
* PKK blamed killing of 10 Iran's Revolutionary Guards - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/340913d6f6f45d8e
* who is financing the weapons for the Balochistan separatists ? - 2 messages,
1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/4fe2cfc18cd19a3e
* The conflicts are enlarging in Amed:Tanks entered to the city - 1 messages,
1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a080ac62567eb753
* To European Democratic Public - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/defd62041e0df9a
* In Amed, 12 years old boy was killed by the turkish special forces - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c4344fb6e0cdb9e8
* The Accepted System Of Dissent, War Veteran Speaks Out - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5fcafbc58ce9b7b9
* PATSY, OR JUST A STUPID IDIOT! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9115f21d613418cd
* Where are all the great ruins of the Negro nations? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b1c988d4002b1519
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TOPIC: AFGANISTAN IS HEATING UP
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6ae442c9b1901ed0
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 10:34 pm
From: "serwad"
"Tilly" <TillyGr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ezHWf.9543$JZ1.355151@news.xtra.co.nz...
> serwad wrote:
>> "BernardZ" <DontBother@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.1e95325e2618f6409896c3@west.Usenet-News.net...
>> > In article <8CrWf.974$L7.838@bignews2.bellsouth.net>,
>> > serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>> > > Afghanistan
>> > >
>> >
>> > As a Muslim Alex what do you think about the death penalty for a
>> > person that abandoned Islam and became a Christian.
>>
>> It is un Islamic to punish anyone for converting to other faith. Holy
>> Quran says that "there is no compulsion in religion".
>> >
>> > Its getting to be a real problem to Islam the number of people
>> > leaving.
>>
>> The opposite is true, millions are converting to islam especially in
>> United States. Miami mosque has several hundred ex jews, who have
>> converted in the past 10 years!.
>
>
> Hundreds? One or two at the most!
Miami central mosque has a congregation of 12,000. There are 18 other
mosques in the area
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 10:36 pm
From: "serwad"
"captain." <spammersmustdie@now.net> wrote in message
news:vqGWf.9332$Ph4.3869@edtnps90...
>
> "BernardZ" <DontBother@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1e95325e2618f6409896c3@west.Usenet-News.net...
>> In article <8CrWf.974$L7.838@bignews2.bellsouth.net>,
>> serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>>> Afghanistan
>>>
>>
>> As a Muslim Alex what do you think about the death penalty for a person
>> that abandoned Islam and became a Christian.
>>
>
> i asked him that same question and never got an answer.
I TOLD YOU THAT THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION IN ISLAM. THE TRIBAL
LAWS ARE STILL PRACTISED IN MANY PARTS OF THE WORLD, INCLUDING IN EUROPE. IT
IS THE TRIBAL LAW THAT AFGHANIS ARE USING TO CONDEMN THE MAN, WHO HAS EVERY
RIGHT TO BE WHATEVER HE WANTS TO BE
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 8:14 pm
From: "Jim E"
"serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:HfIWf.19605$67.5243@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Tilly" <TillyGr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:OxHWf.9542$JZ1.355143@news.xtra.co.nz...
>> Salah Jafar wrote:
>>> I say good ridden, he looks retard, I got approached by many
>>> Christians every day to convert. They offer pussy money and anything
>>> I want. But I cannot join a cult that believing in something that is
>>> imaginary and written exclusively by Jooz.
>>> SJ
>>
>>
>> Yet you claim your sister married a Christian! ;-)
> SO, WHAT IS YOUR POINT? DO YOU HOPE TO HAVE A MUSLIM COCK UP YOUR CLACKER
> SOME DAY? NO DICE!
No, no cock.
It's a common muzzy affliction.
Jim E
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TOPIC: Israel no longer a key US asset
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/942df46d70254e1c
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 7:41 pm
From: "Sheldon Liberman"
Salah Jafar wrote:
> And the Jooz don't express opinion, your entire artificial state is based on opinion and not facts. Show me the facts that God promised you Palestine. DO you have a written notice from God.
Yes it's called the Torah, which also says of Ishmael (the progenetor
of the Arab people, and mentality): "He will be a wild ass of a man,
his hand against everyone, and everyone's hand against him" Imagine
that.
> And why God would choose you as the chosen people knowing you all are bastard and parasites.
Because we're not. You are. Only we have the intelligence to know
better, while you wallow in your own stupidity.
> All opinion and the versions the Jooz want us to believe. Go take a nap Sheldon.
I'd say the same for you, but you appear to have already done so.
> SJ
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TOPIC: "MEXICA MOVEMENT" SAYS GRINGOS (NOT ILLEGALS) MUST LEAVE (World Net
Daily)
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e782f3c28fed89a
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 7:42 pm
From: "Another Mexican Colonist"
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49482
"MEXICA MOVEMENT" SAYS GRINGOS NOT ILLEGALS MUST LEAVE (World Net
Daily)
Marchers say gringos,
not illegals, have to go
Activists turn tables, offer no amnesty for 'non-indigenous' on 'our
continent'
Posted: March 29, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
WASHINGTON - While debates about guest-worker programs for illegal
aliens take place in the corridors of power, in the streets of
America's big cities no amnesty is being offered by activists calling
for the expulsion of most U.S. citizens from their own country.
While politicians debate the fate of some 12 million people residing in
the U.S. illegally, the Mexica Movement, one of the organizers of the
mass protest in Los Angeles this week, has already decided it is the
"non-indigenous," white, English-speaking U.S. citizens of European
descent who have to leave what they call "our continent."
The pictures and captions tell the story.
"This is our continent, not yours!" exclaimed one banner.
"We are indigenous! The only owners of this continent!" said another.
"If you think I'm illegal because I'm a Mexican, learn the true
history, because I'm in my homeland," read another sign.
The group insists the indigenous people of the continent were the
victims of genocide - a campaign of extermination that killed,
according to one citation, 95 percent of their population, or 33
million people. Another citation on the same website claims the toll
was 70 million to 100 million.
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TOPIC: Mexico President Says ' California will be Hispanic State' - June, 2000
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/4d8731b697481be1
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 9:47 pm
From: Just another American
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1605836/posts
Mexican Reconquista:
Leader Says California Will Be First 'Hispanic' State.
June 7, 2000
Stephan Archer
Source: newsmax.com
"I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the
territory enclosed by its borders and that Mexican migrants are an
important --- a very important part --- of this."
This statement wasn't made in secrecy behind closed doors. It wasn't
said outside the jurisdiction of the United States of America. None
other than Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo spoke it in Chicago on
July 23, 1997.
Speaking before the National Council of La Raza, Zedillo went on to
say, "For this reason, my government proposed a constitutional
amendment to allow any Mexican with the right and the desire to
acquire another nationality to do so without being forced to first
give up his or her Mexican nationality."
This amendment is significant for more than just the obvious reason.
It is nearly impossible to obtain Mexican citizenship unless you can
prove you are Mexican or are of Mexican descent.
If you are neither, you must prove that you have completely adopted
Mexican culture and lifestyle. Yet a Mexican citizen can, in essence,
acquire another nationality and remain a Mexican. Is this a double
standard?
Glenn Spencer, president of Voice of Citizens Together and radio talk
show host of American Patrol Report, thinks so. But he thinks there's
something more sinister to the Mexican president's decree than one
might think.
"This is an invasion of the United States in a very classic way with
all of the classic objectives of an invasion without using bullets,"
Spencer said.
Spencer added he believed Mexico is allowing this so that those people
with dual citizenship may vote in the interest of Mexico in the United
States.
The ultimate goal of this invasion, Spencer contends, is to reclaim
the American Southwest --- an area including California, Arizona,
Nevada, New Mexico and parts of Colorado and Texas.
Known as Aztlan by Hispanic activists, these states make up what used
to be Mexican territory before treaties and wars gave the land to the
United States.
Some Hispanic activists deny that there is any sort of organized
effort to take over these states and reclaim it for Mexico.
However, Jose Pescador Osuna, who was once the Mexican consul general
in Los Angeles, has been quoted on the record as saying, "Even though
I'm saying this part serious and part joking, I believe we are
practicing 'La Reconquista' in California."
"La Reconquista" means "the reconquest" and refers to the taking over
of the U.S. Southwest. Osuna now is an agent of the Mexican government
and works for migration in Mexico City.
Even though these statements have been made on American soil, Mario
Obledo of the California Coalition of Hispanic Organizations said the
"radical" Aztlan movement died in the 1960s.
Obledo, a resident of Sacramento, Calif., explained that his
organization tries to secure the civil rights of Mexican-Americans
"and others similarly situated."
Although claiming a profound faith in America, he's also proud of the
fact that the majority of Californians in the next few years will be
Hispanic.
"California is going to be a Hispanic state," Obledo said. "Anyone who
doesn't like it should leave."
Obledo further added: "Every constitutional office in California is
going to be held by Hispanics in the next 20 years. It's a fact of
life. That's all.
All of those propositions --- 187, 209, and whatever --- is a backlash
due to the insecurities of the majority population. That's all. But
all those measures are going to be reversed one of these days."
Proposition 187 was the California initiative supported by a majority
of Californians that denied taxpayer funds for services to
non-citizens.
Proposition 209 was another initiative supported by a majority of
Californians that banned affirmative action, that is, prohibited
preferential treatment in the work place and public schools and
universities.
Speaking at a Latino gathering in response to Proposition 187's
passage in 1995, Art Torres, the chairman of the California Democratic
Party, said: "Power is not given to you. You have to take it.
Remember, 187 is the last gasp of white America in California."
But if Mexico is to reclaim the U.S. Southwest, how will it be done?
Spencer believes that with the increasing unrest along the
U.S.-Mexican border, the U.S. Border Patrol will eventually become
overwhelmed, requiring the U.S. Army to take action.
With increasing unrest and military presence all along the border, the
current border will be erased and a new border zone stretching 150
miles from the current border into the United States will be put in
place.
Although this may sound impossible, President Clinton has already
issued an executive order that could put such a border zone in place.
Executive Order 13122, signed by the president May 25, 1999,
established an Interagency Task Force on the Economic Development of
the Southwest Border.
The purpose of the task force is to "coordinate and better leverage
existing Administration efforts for the Southwest Border, in concert
with locally led efforts to increase the living standards and the
overall economic profile of the Southwest Border so that it may
achieve the average of the Nation."
Down toward the bottom of the executive order, it adds, "The Southwest
Border or Southwest Border region is defined as including the areas up
to 150 miles north of the United States-Mexican border in the States
of Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, and California."
Spencer believes this inclusion in the executive order is little more
than a mechanism of NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement) to
erase the border by creating a border "zone" instead of a border line.
"It's an attempt to gradually erase the border," Spencer said.
Spencer has been speaking about his scenario of an "Aztlan invasion"
on the radio for some time now, and it has drawn considerable
attention, including death threats.
Referring to a banner he saw at California State University,
Northridge that read "Aztlan Graduation," Spencer concluded: "This is
an invasion of the United States.
I believe it's going to end up in a war, and I believe it's going to
be so much worse because Clinton has sold us down the river."
--
"Screw the Republicans. Vote Democratic in the U.S. House and tell the
Democrats to impeach Bush. Republicans have proven that when they
control the House, the Senate, and the Presidency that they will drive
the country over the cliff with support for illegal immigration and
uncontrolled spending."
"I prefer to have President Cheney with a chastened Republican minority
in the House, that remembers WHY they got the boot."
- mini-14
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1605129/posts
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TOPIC: NO FREE RIDE ANY MORE!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/66b2a96e6aac1929
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 7:49 pm
From: "Sheldon Liberman"
clifffreeling@yahoo.com wrote:
> serwad wrote:
>
> > Good or not, there is no other choice! Russian technology is far better than
> > ours!
>
> NASA went down the dumper when they started sacrificing all the
> Anglos with buzzcuts to quotas and AA.
AA? Is that where you met them?
>
> ----------
> "Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We,
> the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
>
> ----Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 2001
>
> --
> Cliff
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 8:11 pm
From: "Jim E"
"serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:PdIWf.19581$67.17886@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Jim E" <YD653126@sea.edu> wrote in message
> news:490jnqFmct5hU1@individual.net...
>>
>> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:pYDWf.2176$L7.1006@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>>
>>> "Jim E" <YD653126@sea.edu> wrote in message
>>> news:48vpjmFm0d4vU1@individual.net...
>>>>
>>>> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:Y%vWf.1211$z7.431@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> "BernardZ" <DontBother@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:MPG.1e952c3089df2d449896bc@west.Usenet-News.net...
>>>>>> In article <exsWf.5432$g6.1581@bignews8.bellsouth.net>,
>>>>>> serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>>>>>>> Two U.S. astronauts will travel aboard a Russian spacecraft as
>>>>>>> paying
>>>>>>> passengers for the first time when they take part in a mission which
>>>>>>> gets
>>>>>>> under way later today to swap the crew of the international space
>>>>>>> station.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its a good thing. If the Russians can put them up cheaper then NASA
>>>>>> its
>>>>>> better that they go up in a Russian launcher.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good or not, there is no other choice! Russian technology is far
>>>>> better than ours!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No shit, serb technology is just now approaching the bronze age.
>>>>
>>> You would know about that, of course! Pretty soon Brazil will be
>>> overtaking US in space also!
>>
>>
>> But the serbs will still be working on fire.
> WHAT DOES ALL THIS HAVE TO DO WITH SERBS? I AM NOT A SERB!
>
Holy crap, you're less advanced than I thought.
Condolences.
Jim E
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TOPIC: Did Anyone Notice?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d42aac831cfa7f17
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 8:54 pm
From: Joseph
The mainstream (controlled) United States Media has been totally
ignoring the ongoing fiasco in Iraq for the past two days. Not a
single report concerning the war or its resulting casualties has
been reported.
Meanwhile, illegal Mexican immigration (an ongoing issue that has been
confronting America for decades) is being used as a convenient
diversionary subject to divert public attention away from Iraq.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 8:05 pm
From: "Jim E"
<Joseph> wrote in message news:iokm2294p34u1p4s3ap9kq8cdt7kkdlkp0@4ax.com...
> The mainstream (controlled) United States Media has been totally
> ignoring the ongoing fiasco in Iraq for the past two days. Not a
> single report concerning the war or its resulting casualties has
> been reported.
>
> Meanwhile, illegal Mexican immigration (an ongoing issue that has been
> confronting America for decades) is being used as a convenient
> diversionary subject to divert public attention away from Iraq.
Nothing of note happened in Iraq you simpering loser.
Check the services.
Jim E
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TOPIC: Scores injured in Kurdish riots in Turkey
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c41b073c843cb4a7
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 30 2006 3:49 am
From: "Ali Asker"
Scores injured in Kurdish riots in Turkey
March 30 2006 at 02:25AM
By Mahmut Bozarslan
Diyarbakir, Turkey - Three people were killed and 250 others were injured in
two days of violent clashes between Kurdish youths and police that wreaked
havoc in this south-eastern Turkish city, officials said on Wednesday.
About 200 protesters were detained, Efkan Ala, the governor of Diyarbakir in
the mainly Kurdish southeast of the country, told reporters late in the
evening as the unrest abated.
Hundreds of Kurdish youths went on the rampage for a second day in
Diyarbakir Wednesday, hurling petrol bombs at the police and vandalising
shops and public buildings, in what appeared to be the worst street battles
in south-east Turkey for years.
The two-decade Kurdish conflict has long impeded Turkey's bid to join the
European Union and continues to cast a pall on its commitment to democracy
and human rights.
The violence broke out on Tuesday following the funerals of four Kurdish
rebels, who were among 14 militants killed over the weekend in a military
operation against the separatist Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), when angry
mourners shouting "vengeance" attacked the security forces.
On Wednesday, the army moved tanks to a garrison in the outskirts of
Diyarbakir as the authorities called in reinforcements from neighbouring
regions, including paramilitary police and special commando forces.
Riot police, taking cover behind plastic shields, fired tear gas at the
protesters and sprayed them with pressurised water from armoured vehicles,
also firing warning shots in the air.
About 600 paramilitary commandos were deployed outside the governor's office
after protesters stoned the building.
Groups of angry youths, some wearing masks, pelted the security forces with
sticks and stones or petrol bombs, shouting slogans in favour of the PKK and
its jailed leader Abdullah Ocalan.
The crowd burned down a bank and torched several vehicles on Tuesday.
Ala identified one of the dead as a passer-by who was killed in a traffic
accident while running away from the trouble, and Diyarbakir Mayor Osman
Baydemir said two other victims died in hospital from firearms wounds.
Half of the injured were policemen, Ala said, adding that one person was in
serious condition.
The main Kurdish party, the Democratic Society Party (DTP), urged an end to
the violence, while blaming the unrest on Ankara's failure to meet Kurdish
demands for greater freedoms.
"The developments have come to a point that will seriously harm both
democracy and our peoples' will to live together," Baydemir, a DTP member,
said. "What has happened is the result of the failure to find a permanent
and peaceful settlement to the Kurdish question."
Eager to boost its EU bid, Ankara has made a series of gestures to the
Kurds, including the inauguration of Kurdish-language broadcasts and private
courses teaching their tongue, but activists demand broader rights.
"No reason can justify such violence. You cannot resolve a problem by
creating bigger problems," Ala said, calling on residents for restraint.
In Ankara, Interior Minister Abdulkadir Aksu charged that the unrest was
instigated by the PKK, which has stepped up violence in the southeast since
calling off a five-year ceasefire in June 2004.
The foreign ministry said it was investigating whether the Denmark-based
pro-PKK Roj TV, which Turkey wants banned, had a role in fanning the
violence.
The Kurdish conflict in Turkey has claimed 37 000 lives since the PKK,
blacklisted as a terrorist group by Ankara, the EU and the United States,
took up arms for Kurdish self-rule in the south-east in 1984.
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=3&art_id=qw1143666726438T622
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TOPIC: Global Warming Now Irreversible. Capitalist Way of Life Responsible
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2660b5dca799b991
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 7:54 pm
From: "Turin"
"Cretinism Manifesto" <javier919@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Turin wrote:
> > Thanks to a century of large-scale oil consumption in the greedy West,
> > we can all now look forward to winter tornados, marvelous new forms of
> > skin cancer, a missing Amazon, and maybe a few hibernating dinosaurs
> > waking up for lunch.
> >
> > Hope they're not partial to their usual fare of raw meat.
> > The menu is going to be a little burnt.
> >
> >
> > ...Thanks, assholes.
> >
> >
> GO AND TAKE COVER, THE MARTIANS ARE INVADING US!!!
Hey... it's Dork Javier! Long time no see, Uncle Tom.
Hope your Mom is has been locked up by now.
> WHO GAVE YOU THE INTERNET?
I think it was God. Either Him or Santa Claus.
Anyway, it's my Internet, so get off.
- - -
"This is my beloved son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him":
Turin
I have such sites to show you...
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http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
http://groups.google.com/group/Men_First
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"He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth, or
maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
burn in hell forever and ever...."
-----
> > Published on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 by the Independent / UK
> > Climate Change 'Irreversible' as Arctic Sea Ice Fails to Re-form
> > by Steve Connor
> >
> > Sea ice in the Arctic has failed to re-form for the second consecutive
> > winter, raising fears that global warming may have tipped the polar
> > regions in to irreversible climate change far sooner than predicted.
> >
> > Satellite measurements of the area of the Arctic covered by sea ice
> > show that for every month this winter, the ice failed to return even to
> > its long-term average rate of decline. It is the second consecutive
> > winter that the sea ice has not managed to re-form enough to compensate
> > for the unprecedented melting seen during the past few summers.
> >
> > Scientists are now convinced that Arctic sea ice is showing signs of
> > both a winter and a summer decline that could indicate a major
> > acceleration in its long-term rate of disappearance. The greatest fear
> > is that an environmental "positive feedback" has kicked in, where
> > global warming melts ice which in itself causes the seas to warm still
> > further as more sunlight is absorbed by a dark ocean rather than being
> > reflected by white ice.
> >
> > Mark Serreze, a sea ice specialist at the US National Snow and Ice Data
> > Centre in Colorado, said: "In September 2005, the Arctic sea ice cover
> > was at its lowest extent since satellite monitoring began in 1979, and
> > probably the lowest in the past 100 years. While we can't be certain,
> > it looks like 2006 will be more of the same," Dr Serreze said.
> >
> > "Unless conditions turn colder, we may be headed for another year of
> > big sea ice losses, rivalling or perhaps even exceeding what we saw in
> > September 2005. We are of course monitoring the situation closely ...
> > Coupled with recent findings from Nasa that the Greenland ice sheet may
> > be near a tipping point, it's pretty clear that the Arctic is starting
> > to respond to global warming," he added.
> >
> > Although sea levels are not affected by melting sea ice - which floats
> > on the ocean - the Arctic ice cover is thought to be a key moderator of
> > the northern hemisphere's climate. It helps to stabilise the massive
> > land glaciers and ice sheets of Greenland which have the capacity to
> > raise sea levels dramatically.
> >
> > Dr Serreze said that some parts of the northern hemisphere experienced
> > very low temperatures this winter, but the Arctic was much warmer than
> > normal. "Even in January, when there were actually record low
> > temperatures in Alaska and parts of Russia, it was still very warm over
> > the Arctic Ocean," he said.
> >
> > "The sea ice cover waxes and wanes with the seasons. It partly melts in
> > spring and summer, then grows back in autumn and winter. It has not
> > recovered well this past winter - ice extent for every month since
> > September 2005 has been far below average. And it's been so warm in the
> > Arctic that the ice that has grown this winter is probably rather
> > thin," he explained.
> >
> > Professor Peter Wadhams, of Cambridge University, who was the first
> > Briton to monitor Arctic sea ice from nuclear submarines, said: "One of
> > the big changes this winter is that a large area of the Barents Sea has
> > remained ice-free for the first time. This is part of Europe's 'back
> > yard'. Climate models did predict a retreat of sea ice in the Barents
> > Sea but not for a few decades yet, so it is a sign that the changes
> > that were predicted are indeed happening, but much faster than
> > predicted."
> >
> > Copyright © 2006 IPS-Inter Press Service
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "It's absurd. How can I set free anyone who doesn't have the guts to
> > stand up alone and declare his own freedom?"
> >
> > ~ Jim Morrison
> >
> > - - -
> >
> > Beloved of the Gods:
> >
> > Turin
> >
> >
> > I have such sites to show you...
> > ------------------------
> >
> > http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
> > http://groups.google.com/group/Men_First
> >
> > ------------------------
> >
> > "He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth, or
> > maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
> > burn in hell forever and ever...."
> >
> > -----
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 7:57 pm
From: "Turin"
"Frank Arthur" <Art@Arthurian.com> wrote:
> Turin wrote:
> > Thanks to a century of large-scale oil consumption in the greedy West,
> > we can all now look forward to winter tornados, marvelous new forms of
> > skin cancer, a missing Amazon, and maybe a few hibernating dinosaurs
> > waking up for lunch.
> >
>
> While industrial Russia, China & India are also cosidered "the greedy West"?
If you say so.
- - -
Face it, he's the Second Coming:
Turin
I have such sites to show you...
------------------------
http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
http://groups.google.com/group/Men_First
------------------------
"He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth, or
maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
burn in hell forever and ever...."
-----
> > Hope they're not partial to their usual fare of raw meat.
> > The menu is going to be a little burnt.
> >
> >
> > ...Thanks, assholes.
> >
> >
> > Published on Tuesday, March 14, 2006 by the Independent / UK
> > Climate Change 'Irreversible' as Arctic Sea Ice Fails to Re-form
> > by Steve Connor
> >
> > Sea ice in the Arctic has failed to re-form for the second consecutive
> > winter, raising fears that global warming may have tipped the polar
> > regions in to irreversible climate change far sooner than predicted.
> >
> > Satellite measurements of the area of the Arctic covered by sea ice
> > show that for every month this winter, the ice failed to return even to
> > its long-term average rate of decline. It is the second consecutive
> > winter that the sea ice has not managed to re-form enough to compensate
> > for the unprecedented melting seen during the past few summers.
> >
> > Scientists are now convinced that Arctic sea ice is showing signs of
> > both a winter and a summer decline that could indicate a major
> > acceleration in its long-term rate of disappearance. The greatest fear
> > is that an environmental "positive feedback" has kicked in, where
> > global warming melts ice which in itself causes the seas to warm still
> > further as more sunlight is absorbed by a dark ocean rather than being
> > reflected by white ice.
> >
> > Mark Serreze, a sea ice specialist at the US National Snow and Ice Data
> > Centre in Colorado, said: "In September 2005, the Arctic sea ice cover
> > was at its lowest extent since satellite monitoring began in 1979, and
> > probably the lowest in the past 100 years. While we can't be certain,
> > it looks like 2006 will be more of the same," Dr Serreze said.
> >
> > "Unless conditions turn colder, we may be headed for another year of
> > big sea ice losses, rivalling or perhaps even exceeding what we saw in
> > September 2005. We are of course monitoring the situation closely ...
> > Coupled with recent findings from Nasa that the Greenland ice sheet may
> > be near a tipping point, it's pretty clear that the Arctic is starting
> > to respond to global warming," he added.
> >
> > Although sea levels are not affected by melting sea ice - which floats
> > on the ocean - the Arctic ice cover is thought to be a key moderator of
> > the northern hemisphere's climate. It helps to stabilise the massive
> > land glaciers and ice sheets of Greenland which have the capacity to
> > raise sea levels dramatically.
> >
> > Dr Serreze said that some parts of the northern hemisphere experienced
> > very low temperatures this winter, but the Arctic was much warmer than
> > normal. "Even in January, when there were actually record low
> > temperatures in Alaska and parts of Russia, it was still very warm over
> > the Arctic Ocean," he said.
> >
> > "The sea ice cover waxes and wanes with the seasons. It partly melts in
> > spring and summer, then grows back in autumn and winter. It has not
> > recovered well this past winter - ice extent for every month since
> > September 2005 has been far below average. And it's been so warm in the
> > Arctic that the ice that has grown this winter is probably rather
> > thin," he explained.
> >
> > Professor Peter Wadhams, of Cambridge University, who was the first
> > Briton to monitor Arctic sea ice from nuclear submarines, said: "One of
> > the big changes this winter is that a large area of the Barents Sea has
> > remained ice-free for the first time. This is part of Europe's 'back
> > yard'. Climate models did predict a retreat of sea ice in the Barents
> > Sea but not for a few decades yet, so it is a sign that the changes
> > that were predicted are indeed happening, but much faster than
> > predicted."
> >
> > Copyright © 2006 IPS-Inter Press Service
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "It's absurd. How can I set free anyone who doesn't have the guts to
> > stand up alone and declare his own freedom?"
> >
> > ~ Jim Morrison
> >
> > - - -
> >
> > Beloved of the Gods:
> >
> > Turin
> >
> >
> > I have such sites to show you...
> > ------------------------
> >
> > http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
> > http://groups.google.com/group/Men_First
> >
> > ------------------------
> >
> > "He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth, or
> > maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
> > burn in hell forever and ever...."
> >
> > -----
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 7:59 pm
From: "Turin"
"Cracker George" <george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com> wrote:
> "Frank Arthur" <Art@Arthurian.com> wrote in message
> news:zDDWf.151$Q8.16@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> >
> > "Turin" <TurinTurambar.1@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1143667915.694378.100380@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > Thanks to a century of large-scale oil consumption in the greedy West,
> > we can all now look forward to winter tornados, marvelous new forms of
> > skin cancer, a missing Amazon, and maybe a few hibernating dinosaurs
> > waking up for lunch.
> >
> > While industrial Russia, China & India are also cosidered "the greedy
> > West"?
>
> Yeah, take a look at the global methane map:
>
> http://www.universetoday.com/am/uploads/2005-0318methane-full.jpg
As they say: A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing (in the
hands of a redneck).
> Oh, and while you are at it, take a look at the Chinese dust storm circling
> the globe:
>
> http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/natural_hazards_v2.php3?img_id=1622
hahaha .....whatever that's supposed to mean
> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/06/0601_chinadust.html
dude. you should get a job as the oracle of delphi ...hahaha
> Curious George
"It's absurd. How can I set free anyone who doesn't have the guts to
stand up alone and declare his own freedom?"
~ Jim Morrison
- - -
Few can dispute him. Even fewer dare...
Turin
I have such sites to show you...
------------------------
http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
http://groups.google.com/group/Men_First
------------------------
"He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth, or
maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
burn in hell forever and ever...."
-----
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TOPIC: If Kerry was President
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/290f004fa387d1a7
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 7:55 pm
From: "Phil Scott"
"~KRiP" <kangborn@a-teim.org> wrote in message
news:0c6e646e4ed1017ac381f23654e8e757@msgid.frell.theremailer.net...
> Where would we be now?
> Would we be embroiled in the stalement that is Iraq?
> Would we be farming out our Port security to Islamists
> and/or the Red
> Chinese?
> Would we have responded to the hurricanes and more
> efficiently?
>
> I really have a bad feeling that we don't even know half the
> stuff that
> George W. has pulled on us so far.
thats always the case in situations like that...only 10% or
sticks out of the water.
Phil Scott
>
>
> PK
>
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TOPIC: Alliance of Civilizations?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/106b3927c20122bf
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 7:56 pm
From: "Al Nakba"
Kofi "Famous Anus" Anan should be working in a swanky club's restroom
handing out towels!
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TOPIC: PKK blamed killing of 10 Iran's Revolutionary Guards
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/340913d6f6f45d8e
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 30 2006 3:53 am
From: "Ali Asker"
Three Iran Guards killed in Kurdish clash - report
29 Mar 2006 14:33:51 GMT
Source: Reuters
TEHRAN, March 29 (Reuters) - Three members of Iran's Revolutionary Guards
were killed in a clash with Kurdish separatists in the country's restive
western borderlands, Iran's student news agency ISNA said on Wednesday.
The Revolutionary Guard "agents" were killed in fighting on Tuesday with a
Kurdish group called PJAK. Their bodies were transferred from the border to
the nearby city of Salmas, the report said.
Iranian officials were not immediately available for comment. Iran's
Revolutionary Guards are an ideologically driven branch of the country's
armed forces.
Security experts say PJAK is an Iranian wing of the Kurdistan Workers Party
(PKK) whose separatist struggle regained momentum in southeastern Turkey
after it called off a unilateral ceasefire in the summer of 2004.
The PKK Web site said seven Iranian soldiers were killed and 11 injured in a
clash with PKK guerrillas. It said Iranian forces launched an operation
against the rebels on March 25 in an area it identified as Kelares, near the
border between Iran and Turkey. It said there were no PKK casualties.
It was not immediately clear if the two reports were referring to the same
incident.
Iran's western cities, home of the country's Kurdish minority, have simmered
with tension since July when riots erupted in a city in the area. There have
been several civilian and police deaths in violence since then.
Iranian officials have said the violence was not ethnically motivated but
Kurdish leaders say Tehran's discriminatory treatment of their people is
stirring unrest.
Kurds consist 6 million of Iran's 67 million population, many of whom live
in the mountainous northwest bordering Iraq and Turkey, also home of Kurdish
minorities.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/BLA946211.htm
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TOPIC: who is financing the weapons for the Balochistan separatists ?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/4fe2cfc18cd19a3e
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 7:57 pm
From: koolfireiii@gmail.com
Komin wrote:
> the separatist movements in Balochistan are recieving weapons from
> outside Pakistan .
>
> Who are the fiannciers of these Balochist separatist groups ?
>
> India ?
>
> Iranians ?
>
> American CIA ?
>
> Israel Mossad ?
>
> who will benefit from an Independent Balochistan ?
if Muslims start fighting with one another and if it leads to high
causality rate,its a good sign for humanity and the whole
world,terrorists can be kept occupied within their own territory,and
trouble spots can be created all over the world,rein them in their own
backyard.....the rest of humanity can develop in peacefully
co-existence........due to this every normal right thinking person
globally should contribute at least 1000$....and give them special
weapons,where the toll is maximum,todays smart weapons with cutting
edge technology can be made in such a way,that they will self
destruct,if they are taken out of their specific location,to any place
outside the GPSS location....mainly the Muslim world........everyone
benefits and is a worthwhile human cause....you could head the list by
contributing first.for the prosperity of human race.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 8:01 pm
From: koolfireiii@gmail.com
Komin wrote:
> the separatist movements in Balochistan are recieving weapons from
> outside Pakistan .
>
> Who are the fiannciers of these Balochist separatist groups ?
>
> India ?
>
> Iranians ?
>
> American CIA ?
>
> Israel Mossad ?
>
> who will benefit from an Independent Balochistan ?
if Muslims start fighting with one another and if it leads to high
causality rate,its a good sign for humanity and the whole
world,terrorists can be kept occupied within their own territory,and
trouble spots can be created all over the world,rein them in their own
backyard.....the rest of humanity can develop in peacefully
co-existence........due to this every normal right thinking person
globally should contribute at least 1000$....and give them special
weapons,where the toll is maximum,todays smart weapons with cutting
edge technology can be made in such a way,that they will self
destruct,if they are taken out of their specific location,to any place
outside the GPSS location....mainly the Muslim world........everyone
benefits and is a worthwhile human cause....you could head the list by
contributing first.for the prosperity of human race.
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TOPIC: The conflicts are enlarging in Amed:Tanks entered to the city
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a080ac62567eb753
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 30 2006 3:55 am
From: "Ali Asker"
The conflicts are enlarging in Amed:Tanks entered to the city
AMED (DIHA) - After the events, which was occured in Amed yesterday, this
morning the actions started in a lot of parish again.
The private teams and agile force policemen, which were intervened to the
actions violently, broke the windows of houses and shops and abused. A lot
of parishs, streets and roads at first, Baglar, Emek Street, Kurucesme,
Balikcilarbasi and Korhat, were closed by policemen, private teams, agile
forces and soldiers. Tanks were planted in central places.
The incidents, which were started yesterday, after the funeral ceremony of
guerillas in Amed, who were the 4 of 14 HPG guerillas, who were killed in
the countryside of Mus, in an operation made by Turkish Armed Forces (TSK)
are continuening today. The incidents, which continued yesterday, until
early hours, started again today from early times in central places like
Baglar, Dagkapi, Ofis The tradesmen didn't open their shutters. Police
started to make aggregation in the central places of the city. The tradesmen
of Kurucesme and Baglar also didn't oppen their shutters. A group of people,
who came together in Balikcilarbasi district, made an action with slogans.
The group, which were intervened by police, continued their actions in cross
streets. From the group, two children were arrested.
In the city, in which the preventions were increased against possible
actions, reinforcement teams from Mardin, Batman, Elazig, Urfa and Malatya
were sent to the city. A lot of armored tanks were sent to Amed from the
16th Commandership of Armored Brigade, which was in the district of Amed,
Ergani, in the early hours of the morning, to 7th Commandership of Army
Corps in Seyrantepe. A lot of tanks and military vehicles moved to Station
direction from Ofis.
Don't make OHAL (Extraordinary Situation) long for
More than thousand people, who came together on Emek Street, marched towards
Police School, chanted slogans like, "HPG revenge". A few time later a
conflict was occured between the policemen, who intervened to the them and
the group. The conflicts are continuening between the group, which are
making their action in cross streets and policemen.
The agile force policemen, who abused to the people, entered suddenly to the
cross streets and attacked to the houses and shops. The windows of a lot of
houses and shops were broken. Policemen threated the citizens, who were in
the streets. In the action, in which small children were beaten, policemen
showed their billies to aged women and abused to them. Policemen, who said
to the journalists, "You are from them also", attacked to them and abused.
The gases, which were used in the cross streets, efected citizens.
In Iskanevleri district, it was learned that, a group fired a truck.
Children were beaten
A gropu, consists of approximately 300 persons, who came together in
Kurucesme, made a demonstration with fires. In Baglar and Korhat 2 children
were beaten by policemen. On the other hand, it was claimed that, on
Gocmenler Street, civilian persons with snow masks, beat the children
terribly.
Incidents were happened in the scholls
Incidents were occured in Birlik High School, which is in Baglar Dortyol,
Celebi Eser Primary School, which is in Emek Street and Kazim Karabekir
Primary School, which is near prison. The students from Kazim Karabekir
Primary Scholl made an action with slogans, after the school time. Police
intervened to the action with pressured water.
29.03.2006
http://www.kurdishinfo.com/
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TOPIC: To European Democratic Public
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/defd62041e0df9a
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 30 2006 3:59 am
From: "Ali Asker"
To European Democratic Public
Newroz of 2006 Transformed to Referendum
The national fiesta of Kurdish People, Newroz, which is celebrated like
resistance, unity and freedom day, was celebrated in the four parts of
Kurdistan and foreign countries, in which Kurds live, with a grand
enthusiasm and participation.
It was quite conspicuous that, the enthusiasm and participation of Newroz
celebrations, to which millions of people joined, were much than past years.
The principal common denominator of all activities were the owning of Mr.
Abdullah Ocalan with slogans and posters.
The Kurdish people, who were participated to the celebrations, defined
clearly with their slogans that, Mr. A.Ocalan represents their political
willpower and he must be drawee in the solution of Kurdish Question. And
they want his freedom in this base. In this point of view, it can be said
that, Newroz celebrations of 2006 was veritable a public referendum in the
base of accepting Mr. A.Ocalan as a political willpower.
Another subject, which occurred in Newroz fiesta, was Kurdish People showed
with force that, they are decided and insintent about democracy and freedom.
They want from at first, Turkish Government and also from Iran, Syria, EU
and USA to make necessities of their responsibilities, for peace and
democratic solution.
Crowd of people requested from countries in the region to stop violence
against Kurdish People for providing peace and stabilization and to take
base the democratic and political solution of the problem.
23.03.2006
To European Democratic Public
Newroz fiesta, which is the symbol of Freedom and Resistance for Kurdish
People, was celebrated with millions of people, in all regions, in which
Kurds leave. The participation to Newroz fiesta, which was celebrated
especially in Turkey and North Kurdistan and the invitations of peaceful
solution for Kurduish Question, followed by Turkish Government with a grand
impatience. Because of this, operations against mountains of Kurdistan were
started after Newroz, with participation of ten thousands of soldiers.
To the operation, which was started on 23th March, in Bingol-Mus region,
more than 10 000 soldiers were joined, and chemical gases were used against
guerilla forces, despite hard winter conditions. We invite once again first
European Public, and all world humanity to be sensitive against this inhuman
war method and weapon, which was excited death of 14 Kurdish guerillas and
to develop the required attitude against Turkish Government.
These operations, which were improved after Newroz, made in the frame of
totally war invite, which was made by Turkish General Staff, before.
Consequently, in the same days, operations were made also in Mardin, Dersim
and Sirnak regions, in parallel. The main target of these operations, which
are still continuening, to destroy totally the democratic, peaceful and
brotherhood solution methods of Kurdish People. Consequently, we invite all
the humanist and democratic milieus and persons, who are aside peace, to
oppose these operations, which are being made by Turkish Army, and
purposefully massacre, and to do necessities.
The press and cruelty of Turkish Government in Kurdistan is not limited with
these military operations, also in a lot of region, outdated pressures are
being enforced to our civilian people. By this concept, civilian people are
being murdered, people are being arrested and being tortured. On 25th March,
in Dersim, a Kurdish villager, who was named as Serdar Donmez, 25, lost his
life by a mine, which was layed down by Turkish Government.
After the demonstration, which was made to protest the arrresting of the
Provincial Chairman of Democratic Public Party (DEHAP) from Hakkari,
Sabahattin Suvagci, 22 persons were taken into custody. After, 5 of them
were arrested by the Public Prosecutor and put to prison. On 25th March, in
Elazig, in front of the city building of Democratic Society Party (DTP), a
bomb was exploded. At last, a tradesman, named as Osman Sutcu, 42, lost his
life in Batman, in front of his home, with attack of unknown person or
persons.
We want to define that, all of these, made in the frame of a common concept,
which is being made by AKP Government and Turkish Army..
Kurdistan National Congress
27.03.2006
http://www.kurdishinfo.com/
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TOPIC: In Amed, 12 years old boy was killed by the turkish special forces
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c4344fb6e0cdb9e8
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 30 2006 4:02 am
From: "Ali Asker"
FLASH : In Amed, 12 years old boy was killed
AMED (29.03.2006)- In Amed, in which demonstrations are continuening, on
Sakarya Street in Baglar district, a child, named as Abdullah Duran, who was
12 years old, was killed.
According to the knowledges; 12 years old boy, named as Abdullah Duran, was
killed by a bullet on Sakarya Street.
The funeral of Duran is still being waited in the morgue of State Hospital.
Uncle of Duran, Mehmet Salih Gezer defined that, his nephew was shot by the
bullet, which was used to the demonstrators, said that the funeral don't
given to them.
The attemps of Duran family are continuening for taking the funeral.
For this last death, the killing of persons by bullet in Amed, increased to
two.
It was learned that, 22 years old young boy, named as Tarik Atakaya, who was
killed in Baglar district in Amed, was an apprentice in a furniture shop and
had got no relations with the incidents.
It was learned that the funeral of Atakaya, who was killed by Private Teams,
with bullets, is still being waited in the morgue of State Hospital.
http://www.kurdishinfo.com/
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TOPIC: The Accepted System Of Dissent, War Veteran Speaks Out
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5fcafbc58ce9b7b9
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 10:22 pm
From: "K James"
The Accepted System Of Dissent, War Veteran Speaks Out
"Veteran's speech on March 18, 2006."
By Mike Kress
March 24, 2006
Why are we here today?
We are here because we oppose the war on Iraq. We are here because gathering together in one place makes a statement,
and might have an impact on those who are afraid to question our government's actions.
Why are we here today?
We are here because standing in solidarity with others who are outraged about the war on Iraq helps us feel better. It
helps us feel sane to find others who reject the lies of our government. It helps us feel grounded to know that other
people don't buy the propaganda fed to us by the mainstream media.
We are here because we know that what's happening in Iraq - and what's likely to occur in Iran - is morally and
criminally wrong. We are here because we hope that our presence, in conjunction with others doing the same thing across
the nation and around the world, will make a positive difference.
And yet, these statements don't really answer the question: Why are we here today?
I would say we are here today because we believe that if we amass enough demonstrators, hold enough rallies, and walk
in enough marches, we will turn the tide of war.
We are here today because we believe that if we say the right words and carry the right signs we will get our foot in
the door of democratic debate.
In short, we are here because we believe in an illusion. That illusion is an accepted system of dissent that ensures
our resistance doesn't go beyond boundaries established by the government and the corporate media.
Methods that worked 40 years ago have been gradually homogenized into a manageable system of dissent that channels our
moral outrage and our demands for peace into predictable, self-censoring, and largely ineffective protest.
Like cattle penned inside corrals and channeled down chutes to the killing floor, we are following a blueprint for
dissent that the people in power have basically designed for us. Is it any wonder that we find ourselves doing the same
things we did before (and after) every previous war?
If we want to end the occupation of Iraq, or stop the war on Iran - if we want the power to decide our own future - we
must stop focusing on a particular war, a particular president, or a particular policy. Instead, we must focus on
creating a sane new world by demolishing the illusions in which we live and rewriting the rules under which we are
little more than slaves.
Before we can figure out how to build that new world, we must first realize that the wars, presidents, and policies we
routinely oppose are part of a system wherein governments, militaries, police, and the courts work for corporations and
the wealthy - not We the People. And we must recognize that our predictable, conventional methods of protest are simply
figured into their cost of doing business.
Make no mistake: Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfowitz, Snow, the Clintons, the Kerrys, the Supreme Court, the CIA,
the WTO, the IMF, the World Bank, the fossil fuels industry, the military-industrial complex, and everyone controlling
this system, are not incompetent or stupid. They are corporatists, and they know what they are doing. They are
deliberately dismantling our freedoms and protections so that corporate capitalism - backed by military and police
power - can become a global reality.
"But wait," you say. Don't Americans have free speech? Can't we vote the bums out?
Well, what is free speech when it falls on deaf ears? What is voting when corporations manufacture hackable electronic
voting machines that leave no paper trail? What is an election when the major political parties are two sides of a
counterfeit coin?
It's time to throw away our misplaced faith in this corrupt, undemocratic system and build alternatives to it. "Another
world is possible" isn't possible if we keep supporting a system that's rigged against us.
Martin Luther King Jr. recognized this reality when he spoke at New York's Riverside Church in 1967. He said:
.[W]e as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. We must rapidly begin the shift from a thing-oriented
society to a person-oriented society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights, are considered
more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, extreme materialism, and militarism are incapable of being
conquered..A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social
uplift is approaching spiritual death.
Sadly, America has reached spiritual death. But the beautiful thing about the spirit is that it can be revived,
reawakened, and renewed! Our spirits can rise from the dead.
Gandhi said, "Be the change you wish to see in the world." If we follow his wisdom, we will see today's protest not as
an end, but as a beginning. Think of this gathering as a town hall meeting - a community meeting where we educate each
other and organize. This protest should be the first step in a revolution wherein we transform ourselves, and then our
communities, into the world we wish to see.
We can control our future by rejecting the system of death and lies and wasteful corporate capitalism that we've been
brainwashed to believe is the American Way.
By acting in revolutionary ways we can begin building a new and sustainable world that prevents our children from dying
in (or protesting) more immoral and unnecessary wars.
We must think creatively and wisely. We must build our own media, newspapers, websites; and our own cooperative
networks, to include independent unions, banks, shops, farms, and housing. We must join with the men and women around
the world who oppose the undemocratic, unaccountable, inhuman corporate structure that is destroying our planet.
Peak oil, global warming, and dwindling natural resources require that we start now. It won't be easy. The mainstream
media will not inform us; there is no charismatic leader to lead us, and no political party can save us. It falls upon
"We the People" to free our minds and claim our own destiny.
The alternative is to accept a fate that others have chosen for us.
Mike Kress served two tours in the Persian Gulf prior to leaving the Air Force as a conscientious objector. He has
served as vice-chair of the Spokane Human Rights Commission and is the producer and host of "Take the Power" on KYRS FM
in Spokane, WA (www.kyrs.org <http://www.kyrs.org> ).
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TOPIC: PATSY, OR JUST A STUPID IDIOT!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9115f21d613418cd
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Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 8:09 pm
From: "Jim E"
"serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:dWEWf.1273$z7.75@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Jim E" <YD653126@sea.edu> wrote in message
> news:48vphcFlt0vnU1@individual.net...
>>
>> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:c8wWf.1214$z7.175@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>>>
>>> "BernardZ" <DontBother@NOSPAM.com> wrote in message
>>> news:MPG.1e953031611e484d9896c1@west.Usenet-News.net...
>>>> In article <1rrWf.945$L7.936@bignews2.bellsouth.net>,
>>>> serwad@bellsouth.net says...
>>>>> Moussaoui "couldn't maintain basic aircraft control," his flight
>>>>> instructor at Airman Flight School in Norman, Oklahoma,
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Okay Mr Troll, where did Moussaoui get the money to pay this Airman
>>>> Flight School in Norman, Oklahoma?
>>>
>>> And what does that have to do with the price of cheese? He intended to
>>> harm US, no doubt, but with his level of intellect he could not hurt a
>>> fly! He just wants to be a martyr by his own admission!
>>>
>>
>> So grant his ignorant muzzy wish.
>> Kill the savage moron.
>
> JIM, IF YOU DROPPED DEAD I WOULD PISS ON YOUR GRAVE AND INVITE ALL THE
> NEIGHBORHOOD DOGS TO DO THE SAME!
>
First you would have to have your nurse stand you up, and drop your depends.
Someone would also have to hold you bathrobe aside. You will be peeing on
your feet again you know?
What do pink flamingos cost this week in your quaint little souvenir shop?
Jim E
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TOPIC: Where are all the great ruins of the Negro nations?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b1c988d4002b1519
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Date: Wed, Mar 29 2006 8:19 pm
From: Voice Of Reason <>
On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 05:37:17 -0800, Von Bailey
<ovbailey@noneofyourbusiness.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 21:56:30 -0500, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:16:41 -0800, Von Bailey
>><ovbailey@noneofyourbusiness.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 23:53:55 -0500, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 07:44:07 -0800, Von Bailey
>>>><ovbailey@noneofyourbusiness.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:48:39 -0500, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 19:28:18 -0800, Von Bailey
>>>>>><ovbailey@noneofyourbusiness.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:55:03 -0500, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:59:18 -0500, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"James Crow" <dont_let_the_sun_go_down_on_you_bw@h.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:drrmvi$vfj$1@domitilla.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aztecs, Mayans, Egyptians, Babylonians, Chinese, Japanese, Europeans, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They all had their great buildings and their great empires with plenty of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ruins and evidence to show it. Egyptians are famous for their great
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pyramids, Aztecs and Mayans had temples and cities, Romans had colosseums,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chinese had the great wall... all evidence of great empires.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Someone help me find a link to the great Sub-Saharan Negro Pyramids, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great Negro Wall, or how about the great paved roads connecting the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greatand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Superior Negro Empires. I would like to see great stone Negro castles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evidence of bronze swords and armor, the great Negro Aqueducts that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spanned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for miles, and the Great Negro Architectural bridges.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So where are all these sub-Saharan nations that ya read about in books
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that existed before the War? How many? 20? 30? Name them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Three or four come to mind...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ghana, with a history that listed 44 Kings before Christ and as far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>back as the 7th century BC. It was known as the "Land of Gold"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>because it supplied the mineral on an international basis and had an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>iron industry for over a thousand years. Using the Niger and lesser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rivers in the empire they were able to build a system of cities and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>towns that produced commercial goods for the world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Not as independent nation, but a collection of regional tribes, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>then later a British colony as part of its so-called Gold Coast.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ghana did not become a nation until 1957, 12 years *after* the War.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Try again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>They imported salt, textiles, cowrie shells, brass, dates, figs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>pearls, fruit, sugar, dried rasins and hoone. Some of heir chief
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>exports were gold, ivory, rubber. In 1060, the impreial army numbered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>200,000 of which 100,000 were mounted and 40,000 were expertly trained
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bow and arrow brigades. Their most famous schools were Kumbi-Saleh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and Dejenne (also known as Kumbi-Kumbi and Jenne respectively) and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>world renowned school called The University fo Sankore was at Timbuktu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(just north of Ghana).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mali, under the rule of Muslim kings, the greatest of which was Mansa
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Musa, who wanted to be known as the greatest Black Muslim in all of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Africa. Under his rule Mali indulged in international trade. By the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mid 1300's Mali was an empire of it's own right. It controled the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>salt mines of Taghaza, encompassed Nigeria in the east and Fulani in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the west.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nope. Mali become a nation in 1960.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Songhay, their most prosperous time during the 15th and 16th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>centuries. It had a long history of dias (kings) that coul be traced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>back to the 7th century. They had gained control over the main
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>caravan city in western Africa Gao. With this as a foundation they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>built a nation that lasted until the mid 1600s.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Mossi States, an amagamation of kingdoms with common values and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>kinship. The most prominent of which were Wagdug, Yatenga, Fada
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gurma, Mamprussi and Dagomba. They had the most successful calvary in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Africa and stood their own against the empires of Mali and Songhay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>They had a political structure that started with a King of Kings (as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>each individual state had a govenor who had absolute control of his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>particular state) and a prime minister.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>There are quite a few more. If you're really interested (and that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sarcastic as I know you aren't) you might start with Chancellor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Williams "The destruction of Black Civilization, Great issues of race
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>from 4500 B.C to 2000 A.D." It's where I got some of the information
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>above.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>These were not nations, but as you yourself quoted above, but loose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>collections ("amalgamation of kingdoms") of tribes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Just look at the current state of the Congo for how they existed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hundreds of years ago -- almost non-stop skirmishs between numerous
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>regional groups (tribes) and sometimes all-out warfare.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>There was a time when the losers of these battles would be sold off by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the victors into slavery, and yes, pass through what is now known as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ghana on their way to the New World. So much for their "great ruins".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thank you for that 'non-referenced' pack of lies and ignorance about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>place you have demonstrated supreme stupidity about. It appears that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your entire knowledge of African history appears to be what you read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in the captions of National Geographic while looking for pictures of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>women's breast to jack off to ass a kid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nice try but wrong all around. IF ya have facts (not wild-eyed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>guesses) that repudiate what I said, then post them right here .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I cited a book that backs up everything I've said and you have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>refernced NOTHING. There is plenty of evidence of nations and even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>empires in sub-sahara africa and your stupidity and ignorance about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>them doesn't change that it the least. Your comments didn't do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anything except demonstrate what you think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So what, anyone can write a book and say whatever they want. Nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>changes the fact that the colonial era ended after WW II.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Which is irrelevant wrt the nations in Ancient Africa.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>WHAT "nations"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Already listed by me and others.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>How do those places that you listed qualify as "nations"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Because they fit the definition.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Which is??
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You don't know yet you feel you have the ability to distinguish if one
>>>>>>>>>exists. Another little thing that makes you look stupid.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Wrong, I DO know what the definition is, the question is whether YOU
>>>>>>>>do or not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No. Since I have given examples of what I called african
>>>>>>>civilizations you must demonstrate that they don't fit the definition.
>>>>>>>But you can't because you're so ignorant that you didn't even know
>>>>>>>they existed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No. I shouldn't be doing YOUR homework for you. You made the claim
>>>>>>that they were nations, so show *how* they really had attributes of
>>>>>>nations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>What else do you need? I told you what book to check and I told you
>>>>>what the names of the nations were. The book that I referenced calls
>>>>>them nations and it gives the evidence that supports it. Granted
>>>>>you'd have to actually read a book on Africa to get the evidence but
>>>>>you claim you've read books so that's shouldn't be a problem.
>>>>
>>>>Calling a group of people a "nation" doesn't quite cut it. Let's see
>>>>the specific evidence that made them more than just a tribe, at best.
>>>
>>>As I said, the evidence is in the book.
>>>
>>>Chancellor Williams "The destruction of Black Civilization, Great
>>>issues of race from 4500 B.C to 2000 A.D."
>>>
>>>Why don't you read the book? To many words for you? I say the book
>>>provides the evidence you need. Until you read the book and can
>>>dispute the evidence in the book all you're doing is avoiding looking
>>>at the evidence in order to make pointless arguments. Your best
>>>trait.
>>
>>I'm not going to do your homework. YOU made the claim, now spit out
>>the evidence, or else retract the claim.
>
>The work has already been done and the evidence is in the book. Your
>inability to read a book is the only thing keeping you from the
>information.
I'm not going to do your homework for you. IF the evidence exists,
you need to spit it out in a coherent manner. And no, book reviews on
Amazon don't count, since anyone can go there and write a book review,
without even having read the book.
>http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0840304587/sr=8-1/qid=1143639149/ref=sr_1_1/104-3978265-5687924?%5Fencoding=UTF8
>
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