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Today's topics:
* Charlene Downes murder - still a deafening silence - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/24b19a38ffe2cba6
* Warning over madrassa abuse - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5835dddf32d031f6
* Removal of failed asylum seekers to take 18 years - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b74bed652625be98
* "We are the TERRORISTS..." - 5 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/19537260e534dde
* Is Socialism Good in Theory? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5375955ce2b01791
* Start Integrating Muslims Aggressively - Stop Villifying Them - 2 messages,
1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2420b4de0f7f556a
* New free spanish books - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/97372fce67073532
* Journalist Carroll, freed in Iraq, Was Treated Well - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e6342dce369ea182
* The game played by big boys...in Asia. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/3873fe4998efd80d
* Last Pictures of Ma Suu - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/10ea91a3f1634d70
* My Recent Trip to London - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a49283aa39753c71
* Racist facts vs. "anti"-racist propaganda - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e60775e6e4c72092
* Immigration crisis critically dissected. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/913b345b410dd020
* POLL (ENCUESTA DE LA NBC) - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/99d8ed7463bfbb48
* Goodbye Europe - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/45e5b9700b1e9ac3
* Illegals: The Cure? Require 'Illegal Alien" Exclusion in Insurance Policies -
1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/50d9d24ad2faadf1
* Good for you, Iran - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c207418ded7475f5
* We're FRICKED, peoplez !!!!!!!! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6b3ac486f8a62a5e
* Illegals/Amnesty = Modern Day Slavery in the U.S. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5f29a1268a937658
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TOPIC: Charlene Downes murder - still a deafening silence
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/24b19a38ffe2cba6
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 9:25 pm
From: "Antimulticulture"
Charlene Downes murder - still a deafening silence
http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=839
30th March 2006
Britain's heavy controlled Politically Correct mass media continue
to ignore one of the most unpleasant cases of suspected racist murder -
which probably involved gang rape as well.
14-year-old Charlene Downes is believed by Blackpool police to have
been turned into kebabs and tile grout after her disappearance in November
2003. Two Muslim men - one a former social worker - have been charged with
her murder or with assisting in the disposal of her body.
The combination of murder, the appalling likelihood that scores of
unwitting customers actually ate Charlene, and the unasked question as to
whether this was another case involving the grooming for sex and drugs of a
young white girl by a Muslim sex predator gang should have made this killing
national front page news.
But, with the sole exception of the Metro (Manchester version)
Friday 10th March 2006 (report reproduced here) not one significant
newspaper has even mentioned Charlene and her terrible fate.
Perhaps this will change when her alleged killer and his accomplice
come to full trial. But the media bias is already all too clear. Cases such
as the murder of Anthony Walker became national news within hours of their
murder, running with ever-increasing media frenzy until - and beyond - the
actual trial of his moronic drug-using killers.
Experienced BNP website watchers will already be all too well aware
of the way in which Britain's mainstream media and Powers that Be treat
'ethnic' victims as far more important than white ones. But newcomers may be
shocked to learn the truth. The case of Charlene Downes is, in terms of its
media treatment, entirely typical - white victims don't count.
Injustices
This is just one of the injustices that the British National Party
exists to put right. But we can only do it with your help. Passive support
isn't enough. Even simply voting for BNP candidates is not enough.
We need you to tell your friends about the things you read on this
site. We need you to join and to get involved as an activist. We need more
candidates. More local organisers. And, because we don't receive (and
wouldn't take) huge donations from big businessmen buying 'honours' or
far-left union leaders buying political influence, we need your donations.
Everyone can do something. If you feel you can't be bothered, just
imagine for a few minutes how you would feel if Charlene was your daughter,
niece, sister and grand-daughter. Not just about what happened to her, but
about how the media and the 'mainstream' politicians won't even acknowledge
that she ever even existed. Feel angry about that? Feel angry about being
lied to with silence? Then this is your chance to do something about it.
Metro report (retyped as it has not appeared online):
The body of a missing schoolgirl may have been turned into burgers
and kebabs and served up at a seaside fast food outlet.
Police fear the remains of 14 year old Charlene Downes, who went
missing in November 2003, may also have been ground up into tile grout.
Iyad Albattikhi, 28, who ran the Funny Boyz takeaway in Blackpool,
is charged with her murder.
The co-owner of the business Mohammed Raveshi, a 49 year old former
social services worker and foster father, is charged with assisting in the
disposal of her body.
The men appeared at a hearing at Blackpool maistrates court
yesterday.
The teenager whose body has never been found left home on Halloween
saying she was meeting friends on Blackpool's North Pier.
It was initially thought Charlene, a pupil at St George's Church of
England High School, had run away.
Appeals for her to come forward were subsequently posted in missing
persons' columns.
However six months after her disappearance police searched freezers
at three Blackpool curry houses looking for her remains.
During the investigation some 3000 men were DNA tested and a TV
appeal for information was broadcast on the BBC's Crimewatch show.
Darren Day, Charlene's favourite West End performer, even made a
plea for help in finding her.
During the ten minute hearing yesterday the two accused, who were
flanked in the secure dock by four security officers, spoke only to confirm
their names and ages and to state that they understood the charges against
them. Neither of the defendant's lawyers applied for bail.
--
Jim
http://www.geocities.com/anti_multiculture/index.html
Unite Against Multiculturalism!
"Abolish Multi-Culty and String Up the Traitors!"
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TOPIC: Warning over madrassa abuse
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5835dddf32d031f6
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 9:28 pm
From: "Antimulticulture"
Warning over madrassa abuse
http://www.theasiannews.co.uk/news/s/210/210926_warning_over_madrassa_abuse.html
24th March 2006
A LEADING Muslim figure has called for tougher guidelines to outlaw physical
and sexual abuse against children at north west madrassas.
According to a report published by the "Muslim Parliament of Great Britain",
the problem of abuse is "widespread" and that thousands of children were
under risk of being abused by their religious teachers.
The report warns that the Muslim community could face the kind of child
abuse claims that have scandalised the Roman Catholic churches.
Co-author of the report Dr Ghayasuddin Siddiqui said it is time the Muslim
community stopped "brushing the problem under the carpet."
He said: "Up to 100,000 children are taught at 700 Islamic schools, or
madrassas, of which almost a half use unlawful corporal punishment to
discipline pupils.
"Each year at least a dozen children are sexually abused by their teachers
and Imams with very few cases ever being made public.
"Because of the fear of child abuse some parents prefer home tuition
instead, a practice said to be flourishing,"
He added: "If nothing is done now we may face an avalanche of child
sex-abuse scandals, decades afterwards, similar to those that had rocked the
Catholic Church in the 1990s.
"To protect the integrity of these valued institutions it is important that
all madrassas put in place transparent and accountable policies and
procedures for all."
The "Muslim Parliament" will urge the Government to establish a national
registration scheme for madrassas, co-ordinated centrally and monitored by
local authorities, to meet their legal obligations under The Children Act
1989.
--
Jim
http://www.geocities.com/anti_multiculture/index.html
Unite Against Multiculturalism!
"Abolish Multi-Culty and String Up the Traitors!"
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TOPIC: Removal of failed asylum seekers to take 18 years
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b74bed652625be98
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 9:33 pm
From: "Antimulticulture"
Removal of failed asylum seekers to take 18 years
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/section/0,,2737,00.html
By Richard Ford
March 14, 2006
THE Government's "loss of control" of the asylum system means
that it will take between ten and eighteen years to remove all failed
applicants from the country, says a highly critical Commons report.
The Home Office has lost track of tens of thousands of failed
asylum-seekers and only knows where a quarter of them are living. It also
has no idea of the whereabouts of 400 foreign national criminals released
from prison.
The report said that the Government's overall asylum policy has
been undermined by the failure of the Immigration and Nationality
Directorate to remove failed applicants.
"The Directorate had experienced severe problems with asylum
removals and acknowledged a loss of control in the past," said the report by
the Commons' Public Accounts Committee.
Edward Leigh, chairman of the committee, said: "Failed asylum
applicants are in increasing numbers staying in this country knowing that
there is very little likelihood they will be apprehended and removed. The
fact is that no one really knows how many of them remain in the UK or where
most are living."
He added: "The situation is extremely serious and the
Directorate must take a hard look at its approach to removals. It must,
without delay, establish a target for making substantial inroads on the
backlog of older cases." The report said that the backlog of failed
asylum-seekers awaiting removal was estimated by the Home Office at between
155,000 and 283,500.
But the department cannot be more precise because it has not
kept track of them or has failed to collect sufficient information on those
who have moved house or departed without telling the authorities.
The failure to keep tabs on failed applicants means that they
will only become liable to removal if they are caught committing a crime or
when immigrations officers target illegal working or sham marriages.
All the asylum-seekers who apply "in country", rather than at
port, will be tagged in future, Tony McNulty, the Immigration Minister, told
MPs yesterday. An estimated 83 per cent applied "in country" last year.
OFF-TRACK
a.. Directorate had 2,000 people working on policy, finance and
human resources, with only 2,100 in area of enforcement, operations and
removals
a.. Of 19,000 applicants who exhausted their appeal rights in
2004 and could be removed because they had EU travel documents, only 11%
were removed
a.. Failed applicant's removal by force cost £9,000; £1,120 for
assisted voluntary return
--
Jim
http://www.geocities.com/anti_multiculture/index.html
Unite Against Multiculturalism!
"Abolish Multi-Culty and String Up the Traitors!"
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TOPIC: "We are the TERRORISTS..."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/19537260e534dde
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 2:35 am
From: "Ali Asker"
Mhitsos wrote:
> rick murphy wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > "From: Ali Asker (pasa_asker@lycos.com)
> > Subject: Re: Kuwerdish contribution to Oscar 2005
> > This is the only article in this thread
> > View: Original Format
> > Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian, soc.culture.kurdish,
> > soc.culture.turkish, soc.culture.iraq
> > Date: 2004-10-02 04:55:12 PST
> >
> >
> > We are the TERRORISTS...
> >
> > We will divide Iran, Turkey, Syria and Iraq in to the pieces until
> > ever single individual is free from thought control, torture and
> > brain-washing! Every nation should have their own land where they can
> > practice their own culture. Iran has consist of about 20 some
> > different nations and we will tore them in to 20 different countries
> > and give mollahs a small land where they can practice their barbaric
> > religion to themselves and only harm temselves.
> >
> > WE WILL BREAK IRAN IN TO THE PIECES!!! "
> >
> >
> > ++++++++++++++++++
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.turkses.com/index.asp
> >
> >
> >
> > The Terror Organization KADEK
> >
> > 1. General
> >
> > Historical Background
> >
> > The initial activities regarding the terror organization PKK have
> > started with the intellectual activities of some students defending the
> > Marxist-Leninist ideology within the Ankara's Democratic Patriotic
> > Students Association (ADYÖD) under the leadership of Abdullah ÖCALAN
> > since 1973.
> >
> > Abdullah ÖCALAN and his friends declared the setting up of the
> > Kurdistan's Workers Party (PKK) during an illegal meeting held in the
> > Diyarbakir province, Lice district, Fis village on November 27, 1978
> > which was called 1 st. Congress.
> >
> > The inital documents stating PKK's aim were the "The Way Of
> > Kurdistan's Revolution-Manifesto" and party program published in 1978.
> > According to the said program, the aim of the terror organization is to
> > found initially an independent Marxist-Leninist Kurdistan
>
> We don't want marxism so lets declare them " terrorists "
> > state in the
> > East and Southeast Anatolian regions in Turkey by using the method of
> > armed propaganda and to achieve subsequently its final goal of
> > establishing an "Independent United Kurdistan" through the unification
> > of the Kurdish states to be founded in neighboring countries.
>
> Well since Kurds are second class citizen within Turkey, a place they
> have ben living thousands of years BEFORE the invasion by the Turks,
> what other options do they have?
> >
> > To this end, the terror organization PKK having officially declared
> > the commencement of its armed activities following the bloody attacks
> > on the districts Eruh and Þemdinli on August 15, 1984 has determined
> > four-stage strategy in order to divide and destroy Turkey by trying to
> > gather some part of the people, who have been living in peace within
> > the country for thousands of years,
>
> Yea but before the Turks come but since the arrival of the Turks
> millions got murdered and the Armenians got genocided.
> My grandfather himself had to flee from Smyrna where his ancestors were
> living for thousands of years.
> > on a separate territory under a
> > different flag claiming that they have allegedly a different identity.
> Yes they are just " claiming ". Every good brainwashed Turk knows that
> Kurds are mountain Turks who DO NOT HAVE a own language and own history.
> So why the hell do they want to speak Kurdish?
> A language that according to Turkish nazi propaganda don't exist.
LOL LOL LOL..
You are talking to a turkish brain washed ROBOCOP police who have no
life but just to obey orders from their masters!!!
LOL...
> >
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 2:48 am
From: "Ali Asker"
Ali Asker wrote:
> Mhitsos wrote:
> > rick murphy wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "From: Ali Asker (pasa_asker@lycos.com)
> > > Subject: Re: Kuwerdish contribution to Oscar 2005
> > > This is the only article in this thread
> > > View: Original Format
> > > Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian, soc.culture.kurdish,
> > > soc.culture.turkish, soc.culture.iraq
> > > Date: 2004-10-02 04:55:12 PST
> > >
> > >
> > > We are the TERRORISTS...
> > >
> > > We will divide Iran, Turkey, Syria and Iraq in to the pieces until
> > > ever single individual is free from thought control, torture and
> > > brain-washing! Every nation should have their own land where they can
> > > practice their own culture. Iran has consist of about 20 some
> > > different nations and we will tore them in to 20 different countries
> > > and give mollahs a small land where they can practice their barbaric
> > > religion to themselves and only harm temselves.
> > >
> > > WE WILL BREAK IRAN IN TO THE PIECES!!! "
> > >
> > >
> > > ++++++++++++++++++
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.turkses.com/index.asp
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The Terror Organization KADEK
> > >
> > > 1. General
> > >
> > > Historical Background
> > >
> > > The initial activities regarding the terror organization PKK have
> > > started with the intellectual activities of some students defending the
> > > Marxist-Leninist ideology within the Ankara's Democratic Patriotic
> > > Students Association (ADYÖD) under the leadership of Abdullah ÖCALAN
> > > since 1973.
> > >
> > > Abdullah ÖCALAN and his friends declared the setting up of the
> > > Kurdistan's Workers Party (PKK) during an illegal meeting held in the
> > > Diyarbakir province, Lice district, Fis village on November 27, 1978
> > > which was called 1 st. Congress.
> > >
> > > The inital documents stating PKK's aim were the "The Way Of
> > > Kurdistan's Revolution-Manifesto" and party program published in 1978.
> > > According to the said program, the aim of the terror organization is to
> > > found initially an independent Marxist-Leninist Kurdistan
> >
> > We don't want marxism so lets declare them " terrorists "
> > > state in the
> > > East and Southeast Anatolian regions in Turkey by using the method of
> > > armed propaganda and to achieve subsequently its final goal of
> > > establishing an "Independent United Kurdistan" through the unification
> > > of the Kurdish states to be founded in neighboring countries.
> >
> > Well since Kurds are second class citizen within Turkey, a place they
> > have ben living thousands of years BEFORE the invasion by the Turks,
> > what other options do they have?
> > >
> > > To this end, the terror organization PKK having officially declared
> > > the commencement of its armed activities following the bloody attacks
> > > on the districts Eruh and Þemdinli on August 15, 1984 has determined
> > > four-stage strategy in order to divide and destroy Turkey by trying to
> > > gather some part of the people, who have been living in peace within
> > > the country for thousands of years,
> >
> > Yea but before the Turks come but since the arrival of the Turks
> > millions got murdered and the Armenians got genocided.
> > My grandfather himself had to flee from Smyrna where his ancestors were
> > living for thousands of years.
> > > on a separate territory under a
> > > different flag claiming that they have allegedly a different identity.
> > Yes they are just " claiming ". Every good brainwashed Turk knows that
> > Kurds are mountain Turks who DO NOT HAVE a own language and own history.
> > So why the hell do they want to speak Kurdish?
> > A language that according to Turkish nazi propaganda don't exist.
>
>
> LOL LOL LOL..
>
> You are talking to a turkish brain washed ROBOCOP police who have no
> life but just to obey orders from their masters!!!
>
> LOL...
Sorry, I should have said fully programed "ROBOCOP" police officer who
have no life but just to obey orders from it's masters!
You can change the program by simply entering 16kB ASCII code which is
0123456789
LOLOLOL this is the turkish masters and their security code :-)
You have to get him first though and the command keypad is in his back!
Yes you guessed it right, in his big fat ars! Be carefull don't go too
dip on him.
LOLOLOL
> > >
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 2:57 am
From: "Ali Asker"
At the time of Soviet Union specially 1970's and 1980's every single
guerilla force were considered Marxist because American's and Europe's
heavy support on dictatorship regimes and islamists (Turkey, Iran,
Iraq, Chili, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan) made freedom fighters
automaticaly Marxists PKK, IRA, ETA, BATUSTUTA, EAST TIMOR, Latin
American guerilla's were all considered Marxists even though they got
very little help from the Soviets and shared very little common goals.
So, when the things changed in 1990's every single guerilla movement
showed their true faces which most of them were actually shared the
same idiology like American's and European countries (IRA, ETA, PKK,
EAST TIMOR TIGERS and so on..)
So, dump *tURk*, you are just lacking behind the times, wake up and
come to the present.
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 11:28 am
From: NashtOn
rick murphy wrote:
~snip
Hey, Mahmoud, who are you trying to kid?
We know you're a Turk so stop being ashamed of using a Turkish nic.
And the whole world knows who the terrorists are and it isn't the Kurds.
Trust me on this one.
--
Nicolas
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 3:42 am
From: "War on TERRORIST SCUM !"
Ali Asker wrote:
> Ali Asker wrote:
> > Mhitsos wrote:
> > > rick murphy wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "From: Ali Asker (pasa_asker@lycos.com)
> > > > Subject: Re: Kuwerdish contribution to Oscar 2005
> > > > This is the only article in this thread
> > > > View: Original Format
> > > > Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian, soc.culture.kurdish,
> > > > soc.culture.turkish, soc.culture.iraq
> > > > Date: 2004-10-02 04:55:12 PST
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > We are the TERRORISTS...
> > > >
> > > > We will divide Iran, Turkey, Syria and Iraq in to the pieces until
> > > > ever single individual is free from thought control, torture and
> > > > brain-washing! Every nation should have their own land where they can
> > > > practice their own culture. Iran has consist of about 20 some
> > > > different nations and we will tore them in to 20 different countries
> > > > and give mollahs a small land where they can practice their barbaric
> > > > religion to themselves and only harm temselves.
> > > >
> > > > WE WILL BREAK IRAN IN TO THE PIECES!!! "
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ++++++++++++++++++
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.turkses.com/index.asp
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The Terror Organization KADEK
> > > >
> > > > 1. General
> > > >
> > > > Historical Background
> > > >
> > > > The initial activities regarding the terror organization PKK have
> > > > started with the intellectual activities of some students defending the
> > > > Marxist-Leninist ideology within the Ankara's Democratic Patriotic
> > > > Students Association (ADYÖD) under the leadership of Abdullah ÖCALAN
> > > > since 1973.
> > > >
> > > > Abdullah ÖCALAN and his friends declared the setting up of the
> > > > Kurdistan's Workers Party (PKK) during an illegal meeting held in the
> > > > Diyarbakir province, Lice district, Fis village on November 27, 1978
> > > > which was called 1 st. Congress.
> > > >
> > > > The inital documents stating PKK's aim were the "The Way Of
> > > > Kurdistan's Revolution-Manifesto" and party program published in 1978.
> > > > According to the said program, the aim of the terror organization is to
> > > > found initially an independent Marxist-Leninist Kurdistan
> > >
> > > We don't want marxism so lets declare them " terrorists "
> > > > state in the
> > > > East and Southeast Anatolian regions in Turkey by using the method of
> > > > armed propaganda and to achieve subsequently its final goal of
> > > > establishing an "Independent United Kurdistan" through the unification
> > > > of the Kurdish states to be founded in neighboring countries.
> > >
> > > Well since Kurds are second class citizen within Turkey, a place they
> > > have ben living thousands of years BEFORE the invasion by the Turks,
> > > what other options do they have?
> > > >
> > > > To this end, the terror organization PKK having officially declared
> > > > the commencement of its armed activities following the bloody attacks
> > > > on the districts Eruh and Þemdinli on August 15, 1984 has determined
> > > > four-stage strategy in order to divide and destroy Turkey by trying to
> > > > gather some part of the people, who have been living in peace within
> > > > the country for thousands of years,
> > >
> > > Yea but before the Turks come but since the arrival of the Turks
> > > millions got murdered and the Armenians got genocided.
> > > My grandfather himself had to flee from Smyrna where his ancestors were
> > > living for thousands of years.
> > > > on a separate territory under a
> > > > different flag claiming that they have allegedly a different identity.
> > > Yes they are just " claiming ". Every good brainwashed Turk knows that
> > > Kurds are mountain Turks who DO NOT HAVE a own language and own history.
> > > So why the hell do they want to speak Kurdish?
> > > A language that according to Turkish nazi propaganda don't exist.
> >
> >
> > LOL LOL LOL..
> >
> > You are talking to a turkish brain washed ROBOCOP police who have no
> > life but just to obey orders from their masters!!!
> >
> > LOL...
>
> Sorry, I should have said fully programed "ROBOCOP" police officer who
> have no life but just to obey orders from it's masters!
>
> You can change the program by simply entering 16kB ASCII code which is
> 0123456789
>
> LOLOLOL this is the turkish masters and their security code :-)
>
> You have to get him first though and the command keypad is in his back!
> Yes you guessed it right, in his big fat ars! Be carefull don't go too
> dip on him.
>
> LOLOLOL
Do you think you are funny ?
BOGUS asylum seeking fugitive terrorist CUNT ?
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TOPIC: Is Socialism Good in Theory?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5375955ce2b01791
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 9:40 pm
From: "Antimulticulture"
Is Socialism Good in Theory?
http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/gov_philosophy/socialism_in_theory.htm
Sheldon Richman
October 2003
Socialism has been mortally discredited on economic grounds, thanks to
Ludwig von Mises, F. A. Hayek, and history. But for many people it has not
been discredited on moral grounds. You can tell this by how often people say
that while socialism doesn't work in practice, it is good in theory.
Strange notion - that a theory which doesn't work in the world can
somehow still be good. Where else is it to be judged? One would think that a
theory whose consistent realization requires gulags and secret police would
be morally disqualified even if it "worked."
I guess the people who say socialism is good in theory really mean
they regret that it doesn't work without the attendant unpleasantness. Why
should that be regrettable? The typical answer is that in socialist theory
people are not acquisitive or self-regarding; they are more concerned about
others. The regret about socialism turns out to be a regret about human
nature.
Leaving aside the facts that the taint on self-interest is assumed not
established and that one prospers under capitalism by competitively
attending to others, is this a valid statement about socialism? Originally
socialism promised a superabundance of goods - so much of everything that no
one would have to do without anything. Sharing would be unnecessary because
scarcity would be abolished. Wasn't that an appeal to acquisitiveness, even
gluttony? To be sure, socialism's miserable record has compelled its
advocates lately to discover the "age of limits," but that is only to make a
virtue of necessity.
Socialism of course did promise to reconstruct humanity, but the
message was always mixed. It promised to subordinate the individual to
society while liberating him to be fully himself - free of the necessity to
make a living. Leon Trotsky wrote that "Communist man . . . will become
immeasurably stronger, wiser and subtler; his body will become more
harmonized, his movements more rhythmic, his voice more musical. The forms
of life will become dynamically dramatic. The average human type will rise
to the heights of an Aristotle, a Goethe, or a Marx." But the nice Bolshevik
also said, "In a country where the sole employer is the State, opposition
means death by slow starvation. The old principle: who does not work shall
not eat, has been replaced by a new one: who does not obey shall not eat."
Was the new Socialist Man to be a self-centered achiever or
group-centered worker bee? It was never clear how both could be
accomplished.
Maybe all that people mean when they lament socialism's impracticality
is that the theory held out hope for an end to material inequality. As
intellectual historian Ralph Raico reminds us, it didn't exactly do that.
Marx promised only "to each according to his needs." He never said we all
have the same needs. Besides, it is capitalism not socialism that has
achieved essential material equality.
(See Donald Boudreaux, "Equality and Capitalism," September 2002,
www.fee.org/vnews.php?nid=5201 .)
The ugliness of socialist theory now comes into focus. Under
individualist and capitalist theory (and practice) each person is free to
determine his own needs and, through the division of labor and voluntary
exchange, to produce what's required to satisfy them. (As the old Spanish
proverb puts it, "Take what you want and pay for it.") Under socialist
theory the individual's needs are determined and satisfied collectively.
Dissent and venturing out on one's own are not options. As Trotsky
acknowledged, everyone is an employee and tenant of the collective - that
is, the state.
It's a mystery why anyone would find that theory beautiful or regret
that it doesn't work in practice.
--
Jim
http://www.geocities.com/anti_multiculture/index.html
Unite Against Multiculturalism!
"Abolish Multi-Culty and String Up the Traitors!"
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TOPIC: Start Integrating Muslims Aggressively - Stop Villifying Them
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2420b4de0f7f556a
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 5:59 am
From: Nusrat
On 30 Mar 2006 14:46:58 -0800, "naureen101@aol.com"
<naureen101@aol.com> wrote:
Based on personal observations I can safely say I have seen number of
Hindus and Sikhs both males and females marry Westerners. Muslims men
seldom marry outsider and Muslim women never do.
>Four-Way Windowpane wrote:
>>> It's the moozlums who refuse to assimilate. All attempts by host
>> countries to assimilate them have been met with fierce opposition,
>> claims of religious and cultural oppression. An assimilated
>> moozlum woman wouldn't wear a burqa in France, but when France
>> tries to ban burqas they scream discrimination. Assimilation
>> would also mean accepting their host country's legal system, but
>> instead they demand separate sharia law.
>
>You better use the word "desi" instead of blaming muslims only. Desis
>(indian , pakistani, bangla) do not assimilate. They like to bring
>their own culture and prefer to live in ghettos. I don't see many hijab
>clad muslim but I see thousands of indian wearing turbans, ugly
>outdated sarees, pajamas etc etc. Most educated ones go back to india
>and bring their spouse from their. To the extent, they shop in indian
>stores only.
>The blame of demanding shariah law is ridicolous. Most muslims, i.e 80%
>of them come from south eastren countries and there is no shariah law
>in those countries. SOuth asia was colonized by brits for centuries and
>common person have no clue what shariah law is all about.
>Arab follow shariah law but most of them in west are super rich so
>being religious is out of question.
>Iranians are the most liberal muslims and one living in west can see
>their standards of living and degree of assimilation ;)
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 6:16 am
From: Nusrat
On 30 Mar 2006 18:27:11 -0800, "Bholu" <bholu@hotmail.com> wrote:
We all know a few details of Prophet Mohammed's life and most of them
are found to be reprehensible.
He looted caravans and killed innocent travelers.
He ordered people put to death whose only crime was to mock him.
He started wars against peaceful neighboring countries.
He married a girl of 6 when he was 52.
He had a chance meeting with his daughter in law Zainab, so taken he
was by her beauty, he encouraged his adopted son Zaid to divorce him
which he did to make Zainab join Mohammed harem.
To me a more nauseating person is hard to imagine.
But to every single Muslim this murdering pedophile is the greatest of
all Gods creature whose lifestyle is incumbent on all his adherents to
follow.
How many would like to live next door to perverts like this?
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TOPIC: New free spanish books
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/97372fce67073532
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 12:58 pm
From: Elena
en
http://www.elrodri.es.vg
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TOPIC: Journalist Carroll, freed in Iraq, Was Treated Well
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e6342dce369ea182
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 11:13 am
From: "Acharya"
<NY.Transfer.News@blythe.org> wrote in message
news:1143756587.2542833723.2132657472@blythe.org...
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Journalist Carroll, freed in Iraq, Was Treated Well
>
> Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit
>
> CNN - Mar 30, 2006
> http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/03/30/carroll/index.html?section=cnn_latest
>
> Journalist Carroll freed in Iraq
>
> 'They never hit me. They never threatened to hit me'
They freed the hostage because the Iraqi Special Operations Forces would
have soon kicked their butts.
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TOPIC: The game played by big boys...in Asia.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/3873fe4998efd80d
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 7:15 pm
From: "Bad boy"
Yes. They could be politicians working in the
'elected' Iraqi administration.
Bad boy.
"Komin" <veakrin@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143791784.583858.132750@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> employees of the CIA were not all agents of the CIA .
>
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TOPIC: Last Pictures of Ma Suu
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/10ea91a3f1634d70
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 11:18 am
From: Anonymous
http://thailand.ahrchk.net/mainfile.php/general/29/
http://www.ahrchk.net/ua/mainfile.php/2004/886/
-=-
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 12:09 pm
From: Anonymous
http://thailand.ahrchk.net/mainfile.php/general/29/
http://www.ahrchk.net/ua/mainfile.php/2004/886/
UPDATE (Thailand): Case of the killing of a migrant worker dragged on
by apparent delay of trial; Public prosecutor must speed up the case
UPDATE ON URGENT APPEAL UPDATE ON URGENT APPEAL UPDATE ON URGENT
APPEAL
ASIAN HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION - URGENT APPEALS PROGRAMME
Update on Urgent Appeal
10 December 2004
[RE: UA-91-2004: THAILAND: Transparency in trial of the killers of a
migrant worker demanded on 23 July 2004]
UP-80-2004: THAILAND: Case of the killing of a migrant worker dragged
on by apparent delay of trial; Public prosecutor must speed up the
case
THAILAND: Impunity; violence against women; rule of law
Dear friends,
The Asian Human Rights Commission is seriously concerned by the
apparent delay of a trial of Ma Suu, a Burmese migrant worker who died
after being beaten and set on fire by her employers, Suchart and
Yuwadee Akkavibul in July 2002. The accused Thai airforce officer and
his wife had escaped justice for two years, because of the officer's
influence and position of authority. (See further: UA-91-2004)
According to the information we have received, hearings were held to
take evidence two times on July 26 and August 4 2004. After hearing a
number of witnesses and obtaining strong evidence, the public
prosecutor charged the accused, Suchart and Yuwadee, with murder,
confinement and harbouring an illegal alien, and the case went to the
full court on November 1, 2004 (Black No. 1089/2547 at Uthaithanee
Provincial Court).
However, the court delayed the trial by setting the next hearing in
January 2006 saying that the court needed to handle pending cases
before new ones, under a new procedure. Local human rights groups say
that some new cases will be delayed for about three or four years
under these circumstances. Ma Suu's lawyer worries that the case will
be weakened by this delay as it is not certain that witnesses will be
available at the convenience of the court over a year from now.
The AHRC calls for your urgent intervention into this matter. Please
send a letter to Mr Kampree Kaocharern, the Attorney General of
Thailand, and urge him to take prompt steps to speed up the case,
considering the brutality and urgency and the fact that the case has
already been considerably delayed before the accused is an airforce
officer. Please also urge him to take evidence from witnesses prior to
the next hearing in 2006 in order to prevent damage to the prosecution
case.
Urgent Appeals Desk
Asian Human Rights Commission (AHRC)
UPDATED INFORMATION:
An 18-year-old Burmese migrant worker, Ma Suu, was brutally murdered
by her employees, Suchart Akkavibul and his wife Yuwadee, who set her
on fire alleging theft in Lop Buri Province, Thailand, in early July
2002. Two years after the incident on June 25, 2004, Suchart and his
wife finally appeared before the Uthaithanee Provincial Court.
However, they were given bail on the grounds that Suchart is a state
officer, although the prosecutor opposed bail. Suchart Akkavibul is a
special group commander in the Royal Thai Airforce.
The public prosecutor then applied to the court in order to take
testimony from the witnesses before the entry of the charge in the
court under Section 237 of the Criminal Procedure Code B.E.2477
[1928]. According to Section 237, when there are reasonable grounds to
believe that it is difficult for the witness to give testimony in the
future, the public prosecutor can apply motion to the court to take
his testimony promptly before the entry of the charge in the court.
The court received this application and hearings were held two times
on July 26 and August 4, 2004. Five Burmese workers who were employed
by Suchart gave their testimony at the hearings. Their names were
recorded as Mr Janai, Mr Chid, Mr Chai, Mr Nai and Mr Sang. At the
hearings, they testified that they saw that Ma Suu was severely beaten
by the employers. Some of them also testified that they saw her burn
injuries after the incident. Another Thai employer named Samrueng
Ponnikorn, who had been involved in the incident, also testified
against the two accused with the agreement that he would be escape
from prosecution. His elder brother, Kamron Ponnikorn has also already
agreed to testify in next hearing on the same condition.
Finally, the Public Prosecutor charged Suchart and his wife with
murder, confinement and harbouring an illegal alien under Sections 289
and 310 of the Penal Code of Thailand and Section 64 of the
Immigration Act B.E.2522 [1979]. The first hearing of the case was
held at Uthaithanee Provincial Court on November 1. Although the
initial progress looked good, the court set the next hearing for
January 2006. As a new hearing system was enforced a year ago, the
court needs time to handle pending cases filed in the old hearing
system prior to hearing new cases. However, local human rights groups
argue that enforcing the new hearing system is being used as an excuse
to drag on trial in some cases, and this case must be heard without
further delay due to its brutality and urgency. The accused Thai
airforce officer and his wife had already escaped justice for two
years, apparently because of the officer's influence and position of
authority.
A journalist working for the Voice of America is also scheduled to
give a statement in the next hearing. He is the person who recorded Ma
Suu's statement about the incident and took her photos when he visited
her at the hospital in July 2004.
Ma Suu's lawyer worries that the delay will weaken the case and the
accused will enjoy impunity in the end, as most of these witnesses may
not be expected to be available at the convenience of the court over a
year from now. The lawyer is also concerned that even though some
witnesses may appear in the court in 2006, the evidence of the case
will be destroyed because the accused is an influential state officer.
BREIF REMINDER OF THE CASE:
Ma Suu was brutally murdered by her employers, Suchart and Yuwadee
Akkavibul, who set her on fire alleging theft in Lop Buri Province,
Thailand, in early July 2002. Although Ma Suu sustained fatal burn
injuries, her employers abandoned her in a room without treatment or
food for three days and then dumped her by a roadside. On the early
morning of July 7, 2002, a man found Ma Suu on the road and sent her
to a hospital in town. However, she died nine days later, after
implicating the accused three persons;, Suchart his wife and Kamron
Ponnikorn.
SUGGESTED ACTION:
Please send a letter to the Attorney General of Thailand and urge him
to take prompt steps to speed up the case. Please also urge the
Attorney General to file the motion to the Court under Section 237 of
the Criminal Procedure Code B.E.2477 [1928], and take evidences from
the witnesses concerned prior to the next hearing in 2006 in order to
prevent loss of evidence.
Sample letter:
Dear Mr Kampree,
THAILAND: Case of the killing of a migrant worker dragged on by
apparent delay of trial; Public prosecutor must speed up the case;
(Black No. 1089/2547 at Uthaithanee Provincial Court)
Name of Victim: Ma Suu, 18, a Burmese migrant worker
The Accused:
1) Suchart Akkavibul, a special group commander in the Royal Thai
Airforce
2) Yuwadee Akkavibul, wife of Suchart Akkavibul
Case Number: Black Number 1089/2547 at Uthaithanee Province Court
It is with grave concern that I write to you regarding the apparent
delay of a trial of Ma Suu, a Burmese migrant worker brutally murdered
by her employers, Suchart and Yuwadee Akkavibul in July 2002.
According to the information I have received, at the first case
hearing on 1 November 2004, the Uthaithanee Provincial Court delayed
the trial by setting the next hearing for January 2006 despite the
presence of a number of witnesses and strong evidence ensured through
preliminary hearings.
This delay will weaken the case, as the witnesses concerned may not be
expected to be available at the convenience of the court over a year
from now. I am also concerned that the case evidence may be harmed due
to the delay by giving enough time and chance to the accused to
manipulate it. I would like to remind you that one of the accused,
Suchart Akkavibul, is an influential officer in the Royal Thai
Airforce, and he and his wife have so far escaped justice for two
years because of this.
I therefore urge you to take prompt action to speed up the case in
court. I also urge you to take appropriate steps to take evidence from
the witnesses concerned, with the permission of the court, prior to
the next hearing in 2006, in order to prevent loss of evidence.
Yours truly,
SEND A LETTER TO:
Mr Kampree Kaocharern
Attorney General
Office of the Attorney General
Lukmuang Building
Nahuppei Road
Prabraromrachawang, Pranakorn
THAILAND
Fax: +66 2 224 1448 / 221 0858
SEND A COPY OF THE LETTER TO:
1. Mr Pongthep Thepkanjana
Minister of Justice
Office of the Ministry of Justice
Ministry of Justice Building
22nd Floor
Chaeng Wattana Road
Pakkred, Nonthaburi
Bangkok 11120
THAILAND
Tel: +66 2 502 6776/ 8223
Fax: +66 2 502 6699/ 6734/ 6884
2. Ms Yakin Erturk
Special Rapporteur on Violence against Women
OHCHR-UNOG
Palais Wilson, 8-14 Avenue de la Paix
1211 Geneva 10
SWITZERLAND
Fax: +41 22 917 9022
3. Ms Gabriela Rodr?uez Pizarro
Special Rapporteur on the human rights of migrants
Att: Ms. Veronica Birga
Room: 3-040
8-14 Avenue de la Paix
1211 Geneva 10
Switzerland
Tel: +41 22 917 9336
Fax: +41 22 917 9006
E-mail: urgent-action@ohchr.org (please include in the subject box:
Special Rapporteur HR Migrants)
Thank you.
Urgent Appeals Programme
Asian Human Rights Commission (AHRC)
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TOPIC: My Recent Trip to London
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a49283aa39753c71
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 6:20 am
From: Nusrat
On 31 Mar 2006 00:04:32 -0800, "Max Muir"
<orb_at_cts_dot_com@fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>Neil Boss wrote:
>> It would be good if you set an example and moved back to the mother or
>> father country back in Europe.
>
>When are you moving back to Pakistan?
Moving back to Pakistan?
Most would consider this a sentence of death.
What has this poor man ever done for you to wish him such a fate.
BTW, I couldn't help but notice your post about Islam where you
finally stood up against this perversion, a far cry from what you
believed back in 1989.
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TOPIC: Racist facts vs. "anti"-racist propaganda
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e60775e6e4c72092
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 3:25 am
From: "Honest Aryan"
NY Dark Blue wrote:
> Says the monkey who can't even create a readable paragraph
I'll make this one real simple: how's Iraq?
--
Visit the Cybermuseum of BBC War Crimes at:
http://users.bluecarrots.com/rbisto/BBC/BBC.html
Admission *FREE* - even for libruls!
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TOPIC: Immigration crisis critically dissected.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/913b345b410dd020
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 3:27 am
From: "Global Pollster"
Should Immigrants rally under the American flag? Wouldn't this win them
more supporters?
Nilehomeshiners
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TOPIC: POLL (ENCUESTA DE LA NBC)
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/99d8ed7463bfbb48
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 11:34 am
From: "James A. Doemer"
In News w14Xf.2885$m35.225596@news20.bellglobal.com,, PM at
pedro1940@progression.net, typed this:
> Do You Believe in God?
>
> NBC this morning had a poll on this question. They had the highest
> number of responses that they have ever had for one of their polls,
> and the percentage was the same as this:
>
>
> 86% to keep the words, IN God We Trust and God in the Pledge of
> Allegiance 14% against.
>
> That is a pretty 'commanding' public response.
>
> I was asked to send this on if I agreed or delete if I didn't .
>
> Now it is your turn .... It is said that 86% of Americans believe in
> God. Therefore, I have a very hard time understanding why there is
> such
> a mess about having "In God We Trust" on our money and having
> God in the Pledge of Allegiance.
>
> Why is the world catering to this 14%?
>
I realize that it's hard for the Godbots to understand simple concepts.
Concepts like the Establishment Clause of the U.S. Constitution which
prohibits the establishment of a state religion by law or by deed of the
U.S. Government. While there is no real problem in having the word God in
the Pledge of Allegiance, there is a huge problem with forced recitals,
orchestrated in our public school systems of the Pledge with the word God in
it, it is the same as a prayer. How you recite it in your own time and way
is your own business.
The violation of the establishment clause where "In God We Trust" on our
currency is so blatant that I have to fear for the intelligence of the
average person to even have to point it out.
The issue isn't catering to 14% of the nation, the issue is the violations
of our Constitution. Constitutional law isn't subject to popularism. If
you feel this overwhelming need to stamp God all over the public venue, then
you need to muster up the cajones and have the Constitution amended.
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TOPIC: Goodbye Europe
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/45e5b9700b1e9ac3
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 1:52 pm
From: Calife
DoD wrote:
> "Calife" <user@user.net> wrote in message
>> Duuuhhh!!, Resistance precludes dominance, resistance prevents the
>> "dominance" from taking place.
>> You are truly 'merkan, where resistance to power and authority is a bad
>> thang, where submission to the "dominant male" is a shared evolutionary
>> trait between monkeys and DoD!
>> Bravo, DoD, well done!!!
>
> Again I ask you if it wasn't dominant, then why would there be a NEED for
> resitance? Wouldn't you be resisting something else, for instance something
> Oriental ......
<sigh of appalled disbelief>
-Resistance to stop/slow down something from being/becoming dominant.
-A need to resist something to prevent it from becoming dominant.
-Something undesirable comes this way, let's resist in some fashion to
stop it before it lands and settles in.
Are you THAT thick not to grasp such a simple concept??
</sigh>
I like south Asian (ie: Indian, Lankan) culture a great deal: the music,
the architecture, the history, the food, the dance, the mythology,... a
great deal.
I also like various far-eastern cultures very much: most things
Japanese, Viet, Malaysian/Indonesian (Shadow theater, puppet theater,
gamelan ensembles,...).
No resistance necessary!
>> Chirac
>>> tells you to resist it all the time....
>>
>>
>> Another fine example of DoD's very limited political conception:
>> 'Merkans must love "da prezident" and kowtow to his "infallibility",
>> ergo French and assorted Paris resident of course love and submit to
> Chirac.
>> Only submission to Chirac can make any French hate 'merka.
>> That one may dislike both Bush and Chirac, and what they embody in their
>> respective countries and cultures is beyond DoD's ken!!
>
> No, that other thick as pigshit, half baked, half French idiot Daniel
> Bernard oftens points out that to most ,Chirac was the less of two evils,
> and I am willing to take his word on that, even if it means that the
> political landscape of France is even more fucked up than originally
> thought.
What "political landscape" anywhere is not "fucked up" these days??
In the VERY SPECIFIC context of the elections of April/May 2002, Chirac
was indeed the lesser of two evils. That's something Americans ought to
understand well: most elections in the US are the embodiment of "lesser
of two evils", thanks to the "two-party" system. One candidate is never
enough to the right/to the left, whatever.
To me, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton, Kerry were lesser evils than
Ford, RayGun, Bush I & II.
Actually, I managed to escape that conundrum one year by voting Gus Hall
& Angela Davis (a thought that ought to give you a major eczema
attack!!! :-D )
> But the point here was/is that Chirac rails against American
> culture because he knows it is dominate and he feels it is a threat to
> French culture. I have never heard him rail against oriental culture.
Complaining about American "culture" is a given in France, has been for
half a century. Inversely, many French love movies, jazz, blues, C&W,
Gospel, Harley-Davidson, Coca Cola, NBA and NFL sports (Superbowl XL was
live on national France 2 TV network this year, till 5-or-so AM). The
list goes on... There are also many French who do NOT like any of that.
Sorry to puncture your facile image of monolithic foreign cultures!! :-)
However, junk food, bad Hollywood explosion movies, super djeezus
hypocrisy, evil, criminal, illegal imperial expansion masquerading as
"freedom" and "bringing democracy" just don't wash with a large segment
of the French population.
And yes, you will find sell-outs-to-power like Bernard-Henri Levy, Andre
Glucksman, Bernard Kouchner and Jean François Revel to like all that trash!!
As to Chirac, he will never rail against Asian culture, what with being
a great lover of Japan, a country he proudly points out having visited
over 40 times, both officially and privately!
> more cries of "Sarkozy fascist" (it's even
>> subtitled for DoD and assorted limited understanding types), and
>> "Sarkozy enculé" (literally "Sarkozy fucked-up the ass", in fact
>> equivalent to "Sarkozy asshole").
>
> I re watched it and just like marybonita said, I could have sworn I heard
> .....'Sarkozy, Sale Juif!
Don't swear, it's unbecoming!
Especially when you don't know what you're talking about! Or are you
pretending bilingualism? You speak French now??? You're taking lessons
with "Marybonita"?? :-D
The kids are CLEARLY yelling "Sarkozy fasciste", which he nearly is, and
not "sale juif" which he is not.
So, for your own sake, enter that information, file it, and don't spout
ignorant bullshit anymore than you have to!
>
>> The two masked kids clearly say that the riots' trigger was the
>> suspicious death of two kids trying to escape police and they draw a
>> parallel between their treatment at the hand of French police and
>> Palestinian youths at the hand of israeli police; and the only mention
>> of Jihad is by some "journalist" leading Sarko with a question about
>> what to do when kids call for jihad!
>> Get someone to explain things to you DoD, it'll help with your problem!
>
> It is really not a problem for me to piece together you finding an apologist
> explanation for all these ills.
That's me translating what is said on that tape. Something you evidently
did NOT understand. Along with the "Sarkozy fasciste" which only exist
in your fevered and anguished imagination!
So, underlining for limited dopes of your talent, facts unarguably
spelled out on the video are apologetics!!???
'Nuff said!!!
Look DoD, I don't really care to continue this circular dialogue, having
to explain things to you you'll never grasp. So unless you grow a brain
and find something pertinent to say, I'd rather NOT waste my time any
longer with this. OK?
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TOPIC: Illegals: The Cure? Require 'Illegal Alien" Exclusion in Insurance
Policies
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/50d9d24ad2faadf1
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 11:54 am
From: "Lets Roll"
"Jennie" <hnix@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:C_OdnaS3BK-xZ7HZnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@adelphia.com...
>I think the folks who hire there illegal should split the bill for all the
>medical benefits.
>
SPLIT the bill? For MEDICAL benefits?
Nah. The criminals that employ illegals should be paying the WHOLE bill on
health care, education, social services, increased costs of border security,
and infrastructures needed by their illegal laborers. If they want to SPLIT
the bill with anybody, they can negotiate that split with mejico.
> --
> http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,,1700881,00.html
>
> http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/wounded/gallery.htm
>
> Terrorism can never be erased with force...With force you create more
> terrorist... by Jennie
>
> Only way to beat terrorist is to use terrorist tactics...set traps,
> snipers.
> No amount of conventional warfare will work...
>
> Traitors is DC. A traitor is one who betrays one's country, a cause, or a
> trust, especially one who commits treason.
>
> Bush has awakened us, the poor and middle class Americans...We are
> watching and waiting to cast our votes...
>
> The Constitution says "We the People" not "We the Special Interest
> Groups."
>
> Americans Vote!
>
>
> "Æ Gnostic Archon" <nomazzz@no.mo.bush.net> wrote in message
> news:e0igk4$6e3l$1@news3.infoave.net...
>>
>> "Just another American" <abc@def.net> wrote in message
>> news:53gp22pn3997ptlgh6lr6nv5pc8pdesfc2@4ax.com...
>>> http://www.allanfavish.com/insurance_illegals.htm
>>>
>>> REQUIRE AN "ILLEGAL ALIEN" EXCLUSION IN INSURANCE POLICIES
>>
>> Your Bush diversions don't work.
>>
>
>
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TOPIC: Good for you, Iran
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c207418ded7475f5
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 4:01 am
From: analyst41@hotmail.com
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1663678,00050004.htm
Its a bit sad to celebrate a weapon, but fucking white people spend
huge shares of their economy on weapons which are then used to
intimidate and terrorize third world people. Then they get rid of
older weapons by selling them at exorbitant prices to fool countries
liek Saudi Arabia. Russian and the Chinks are in the same game,
including so called peaceful, "Nordic" countries.
Good that Iran can make this wepaon by itself and good if it restores
the strategic military balance with Israel.
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TOPIC: We're FRICKED, peoplez !!!!!!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6b3ac486f8a62a5e
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 12:03 pm
From:
"imorf" <imorf@iformRemovethis.com.au> wrote in message news:1143599308.490665@nnrp1.phx1.gblx.net...
> immortality@so.really.really.really.old.net wrote:
>> Mans influence just made the increase occur quicker.
>
> Man's influence has pushed atm CO2 well beyond the natural historical
> peak. Look at this graph of est atm CO2 for the past 400,000 years
> <http://www.grida.no/climate/vital/02.htm>.
> CO2 at 280-290ppmv appears to be the natural (ie non human influenced)
> historical cyclical peak. That graph does not show it,
Because the graph is 50 years old.
> but 2005 levels
> were in excess of 370 ppmv (ie off the graph), and has increased from a
> pre-industrial concentration of about 280 ppmv.
See further below.
>> During past events the co2 and other greenhouse gasses
>> were just as bad, due maybe to fires, or other nutural causes.
>
> Wrong, see above graph and compare current levels.
That is a plot of 50 year old data which only shows the most recent events.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Phanerozoic_Carbon_Dioxide.png
I've seen *much* more detailed plots of similar data
& will post it when I find the site again.
I've checked heaps of sites already which is why I took so long to reply.
>> Fires - we couldn't possibly stop it...
>
> Why not, they are already planning/building a huge road through the
> amazon, that is in essence a firebreak.
Much of the Amazon is very, very remote & virtually inaccesable.
In areas where roads have increased,
greatly so have the incidences of fires due to man.
You need a much bigger firebreak than a road to stop raging fires in a drought.
Embers can carry in the updraughts of the fires for many kilometers
and then start further fires where they land.
> How can you predict what man
> will do in the future. If the "great" forests do end up drying and
> becoming such a threat then it is quite conceivable future governments
> will be forced to create containment lines, which will also encourage
> further exploitation.
*see above.
Also, roads don't last long in the amazon & they don't have the funds
to maintain most of them properly. Logging trucks are part of, but not
entirely the problem. Exposed soils oft turn to mush when it rains
and weeds won't hold it together for long as the soil is far to poor.
Where there are people in the Amazon - there are fires.
- Far more fires than areas without humans...
>> eg: The amazon has been drying and is having a terrible drought.
>> If it were to get too much worse then there would be little hope
>> of stopping raging fires in such a remote region nor in asia.
>>
>> We in the 'western world' cannot even stop bad fires
>> in OZ or the US so to say that we would just stop it
>> in remote places in poor and undeveloped countries
>> is just not realistic.
>
> You don't need to put the fire out, only contain it, and eventually it
> rains, or the wind turns it back on itself etc example Indonesian fires
> a few years ago.
That's called being lucky.
> But you are comparing current fire fighting measures to
> imagined extreme environmental conditions of the future, and not
> allowing for changes in policies to take that into account. see my prior
> paragraph.
We couldn't possibly stop bad fires in remote places
during a severe drought. Sadly, this isn't Star Trek :-(
Luck is the only hope we'd have of stopping fires
in those sort of extreme situations.
>> As far as vulcanism goes, just one big volcano going off
>> heavily and not stopping for a while can have a huge effect
>> all by its self due to the very fine particles pushed high into
>> the atmosphere.
>
> err that has been happening for millenia, and unless it's a global and
> non-stop phenomenon they are but blips on the radar. Their dimming
> effects don't last beyond a few years of the eruption (one or two
> decades at the most for the biggest, eg Krakatoa?)
There is evidence that before each ice age there has also
been a big increase in vulcanism, including under-sea vulcanism.
Sea temperatures are rising faster than co2 global warming
can account for - especially in the deeper parts of the ocean.
Perhaps the vulcanism is the cause of this deep ocean heating.
(quite likely it seems)
Magma also seems to be becoming more active in various places
that were previously believed to be 'dead'.
Perhaps the extra pressure from the water of rising oceans
is placing enough pressure on the ocean floor to cause
magma to be forced upwards towards the surface.
It makes sense really.
>>>>Ice & snow reflect light & heat, preventing warming such that ice ages
>>>>can last for vast periods of time. eg: much of the Earths history has
>>>>been in ice ages. Short warm periods like now are the exception, not the rule.
>>>
>>>Irrelevant, since most of Earth's history did not have industrial
>>>mankind in plague proportions.
>>
>> Irrelevant, since co2 & other greenhouse gasses became just as bad
>> in previous events before man was here - man just fast-tracked it and
>> continues to make it worse as we speak & into the futures since only
>> greed is important to our 'leaders' - leading us into hell on earth perhaps....
>>
> You don't make sense. My point was your cyclical historical changes have
> now been adulterated by man's influence, so can no longer be relied upon
> to repeat. Then you say my point is irrelevant because man has impacted
> upon the natural cycle. Anyway if by that you mean man's impact is
> negligable compared to natural processes, please explain the
> *exponential* rise in atm CO2 from 1870 to the present.
Read it again, it was self explanitory.
>>>>Judging by previous cycles, the longer & hotter the warm period,
>>>>the colder, longer & more extreme the ice age will be.
>>>>Ours is one of the longest & warmest known periods.
>
> "Judging by previous cycles", CO2 would have been at its peak at under
> 300ppmv were it not for the industrial release of CO2 by man.
You are only looking at the most recent cycles in that 50 year old graph.
There are much more extreme co2 cycles of varying frequencies.
Many factors are involved which all work together to shape our climate
and its cycles. Some cycles are probably inevitavble no-matter how much
co2 we pump into the air. The extra co2 may even make it worse and may
even be one of the triggers - there may likely be more than one trigger also.
>>>and it will go on indefinitely due to anthropogenic CO2 input, until we
>>>reduce CO2 production to below levels that allow for natural processes
>>>to remove it from the atmosphere faster than what we are adding. This
>>>will probably never happen (not in this century anway), and also take a
>>>long long time to complete.
>
>> Fine smoke & ash particles in the upper atmosphere have a bigger effect
>> than co2. It blocks the heat from getting to the earths surface,
>> so the co2 cannot trap heat that isn't getting here... 101.
>> The primary thing keeping the greenhouse effect from getting worse
>> at the moment is fine particles of pollution in the upper atmosphere.
>> This was only discovered quite recently and is undeniable.
>> The effect was quite startling.
>
> yes, I know all that. It's quite disturbing that pollution from the
> unfiltered processes of the pre- 80's has been masking global warming,
> and hence so much worse is to come.
> However my bone of contention is your suggestion that perhaps there
> could be a quick turn around due to global dimming brought about by
> global warming processes towards another ice age. I suggest that man has
> pushed atm CO2 far beyond what nature has been able to reverse in the
> past, and there is still a lot more CO2 to be released over the next 50
> years (we are only just starting the decline side of peak oil curve and
> the two largest populations in the world are just starting their
> industrial/economic catchup).
co2 has been much higher many times, before the scope of that 50 year old graph.
If anything, co2 appears to have made climate swings worse - more drastic.
> Other than sustained global volcanism
> (unlikely)
Starting to appear more likely due to recent undersea discoveries.
> there will be no natural mechanisms big enough and sustained
> enough to have much of an impact (sorry but I can't see us allowing all
> the forests of the world to burn down).
It doesn't need all of them to burn down & we'd have little hope
of stopping raging fires in remote areas during droughts,
no matter how many roads & firebreaks we build.
The amazon is already drying out badly in some areas like never known before
and it doesn't look good for the future - even the below ground reservoirs under
the forests are drying out (extensive cave systems under much of the amazon).
> Whatever fires there are, their
> -% dimming will not overcome the +% greenouse capacity we have added.
Heat that doesn't get to the lower atmosphere & surface
due to high altitude particulates cannot be held in by co2
so the co2 becomes a mute point at that stage of the game.
> I do however share your pessimism. :)
Though it might not seem like it, I'm not the pessimistic type :-)
More of a realistic type... It's no use worrying about it, just keep informed,
do what little you can, hope for the best, be realistic & ready to do
what you have to if things do turn out to be less than ideal.
If the worst does ever come true then knowledge & a little prep
might improve your chances, or not. Either keep trying or give up ;-)
> Till man reduces CO2 atm output to below what natural sinks can consume,
> we are in for a warm and wet (sea level wise) future.
We may already be effectively at the end of this interglacial period, or not.
Only time will tell...
- Cheers
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TOPIC: Illegals/Amnesty = Modern Day Slavery in the U.S.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5f29a1268a937658
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 4:14 am
From: "Lets Roll"
"Robert" <sabu77@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:YLidnYupEd8LXLHZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> "Just another American" <abc@def.net> wrote in message
> news:h5ep221k5i805gmjl0eivr58qd3jpa4tdj@4ax.com...
>> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1606530/posts?q=1&&page=151
>>
>> In the old way of slavery, the slaves' 'wages' went to their
>> previous owners and their overseers.
>>
>> They also went to their housing, meals, etc. Modern-day slavery
>> has eliminated the initial outlay for purchasing and transporting
>> your slaves. They now come to you.
>>
>> The elimination of this initially large outlay has opened the doors
>> for smaller businesses to take advantage of modern slavery. No
>> longer are the financial resources of a large plantation required to
>> finance purchasing of new laborers when you've worked the old ones
>> to death.
>>
>> Overhead such as housing and overseers has also been eliminated.
>> Slaves now 'care' for themselves, finding small shelters where they
>> pack as many of themselves inside as possible for shelter from the
>> elements so they can save drastically on housing costs.
>>
>> This also gives modern day slave owners the formerly unheard of
>> ability (under the old pre-1860s slavery) to trade in their weaker,
>> sick, or lazy slaves for new ones who've just arrived at no expense.
>>
>> This then allows modern-day slave owners to split up the money that
>> would have otherwise been spent on these ongoing expenses to pay
>> ridiculously small 'wages' to their slaves, who then send much of
>> that money home to keep their families alive.
>>
>> And that, folks, is the replacement for the whip-wielding overseer.
>> Work for me, as long and hard as I tell you, for whatever I feel
>> like paying you, or your family will starve. In some ways, modern
>> slavery is worse than what we abolished 150 years ago.
>>
> Then why do these "slaves" enter the US illegally if things are so bad?
>
> Robert
Because they are too lazy and too cowardly to engage the revolution that
needs to take place in mejico.
They take the easy way out to usurp the hard won benefits in America which
our ancestors fought and died for their posterity to enjoy.
Because neither they nor their ancestors have paid the blood price required
to over throw the tyrants.
Because they are too bovine to comprende that their oppression and
enslavement is following them to America.
Because they are too ignorant to comprende that they will pay a blood price
before they enjoy benefits in any country.
And it looks like they and Americans will be paying that blood price here
again, while the initial culprit mejico will continue to get off the hook.
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