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* You know you are watching a documentary about Nazi Germany when... - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/7531b19e69bda90a
* The demand of Kurdish to be second official language in Bingol - 1 messages,
1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b93945926dec5636
* LOS CAMPESINOS CUBANOS EN SU LUCHA ARMADA CONTRA KASTRO EN 1960-7 LOS
ESCUADRONES DE TORTURADORES CUBANOS Y DE EJECUCIONES. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/721d4e771cd08e53
* Turks claim Newroz as national holiday ... By Vanessa Able - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9ab0c924aab98e39
* Pro-Family Leaders Call Summit for Disgruntled 'Values Voters' - 1 messages,
1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/db24e375a7c4b15a
* What's Israel done for America, lately... ever? - 5 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/67529f7111b6b0a2
* ? When Did The World Learn About The Holocaust ? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c33218197a5bac0d
* Kurds clash with police at Newroz celebrations in Turkey - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9fc68006807144a2
* Newroz day has become a platform support for the outlawed Kurdistan Workers'
Party (PKK) - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d1c8681f918e1436
* YOU CALL THIS "RAPE"????? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/8256272973888002
* America is Not God, Bush's Delusional Speech - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e8da4ac0ca029b6a
* Hamas Hopes a Peace Accord Can Be Reached - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5ace77c1de800d3a
* FBI ignored 911 warning - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c1ada38049163080
* Afghan Man Sentenced to Death for Converting - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/bd295e44b8e99935
* Britain's Duplicity, Israel's Raid on the Jericho Jail - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/4420cec47db5cfa4
* Parable of the Hatchet, The Fallacy of Nation-building in Afghanistan - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/7525bf30343fd01d
* The Zionist Lobby and American Foreign Policy - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/95abc7205c5ce432
* "Baseball Players, Yes - Castro No !!! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6a6e5a22d3829875
* Why Women Want Abortions - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/dba0953b7018e785
* Gun loon shoots, kills kid for walking on grass - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/571681d234d29371

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TOPIC: You know you are watching a documentary about Nazi Germany when...
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/7531b19e69bda90a
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 22 2006 5:25 am
From: "DKat"

"Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:dvobgr$2tpj$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
>
> "Joe Bruno" <bruno@indystart.com> wrote in message
> news:1142869232.656791.9460@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> bigscreen@operamail.com wrote:
>>> - Footage of blonde children is accompanied by sinister music
>>> - The narrator's voice resembles Vincent Price's
>>> - The credits read like a Tel Aviv phone book
>>
>>
>>
>> You see hundreds of dead naked bodies being buried by a British
>> bulldozer.
>
> The same bodies, buried over and over again, and from different angles, to
> exaggerate the perceived numbers, you dull cunt.

How appropriate that a holocaust denier is also misogynistic.

DKat

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TOPIC: The demand of Kurdish to be second official language in Bingol
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b93945926dec5636
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 9:35 pm
From: "rick murphy"

"From: Ali Asker (pasa_asker@lycos.com)
Subject: Re: Kuwerdish contribution to Oscar 2005
This is the only article in this thread
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Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian, soc.culture.kurdish,
soc.culture.turkish, soc.culture.iraq
Date: 2004-10-02 04:55:12 PST

We are the TERRORISTS...

We will divide Iran, Turkey, Syria and Iraq in to the pieces until
ever single individual is free from thought control, torture and
brain-washing! Every nation should have their own land where they can
practice their own culture. Iran has consist of about 20 some
different nations and we will tore them in to 20 different countries
and give mollahs a small land where they can practice their barbaric
religion to themselves and only harm temselves.

WE WILL BREAK IRAN IN TO THE PIECES!!! "

++++++++++++++++++

http://www.turkses.com/index.asp

The Terror Organization KADEK

1. General

Historical Background

The initial activities regarding the terror organization PKK have
started with the intellectual activities of some students defending the
Marxist-Leninist ideology within the Ankara's Democratic Patriotic
Students Association (ADYÖD) under the leadership of Abdullah ÖCALAN
since 1973.

Abdullah ÖCALAN and his friends declared the setting up of the
Kurdistan's Workers Party (PKK) during an illegal meeting held in the
Diyarbakir province, Lice district, Fis village on November 27, 1978
which was called 1 st. Congress.

The inital documents stating PKK's aim were the "The Way Of
Kurdistan's Revolution-Manifesto" and party program published in 1978.
According to the said program, the aim of the terror organization is to
found initially an independent Marxist-Leninist Kurdistan state in the
East and Southeast Anatolian regions in Turkey by using the method of
armed propaganda and to achieve subsequently its final goal of
establishing an "Independent United Kurdistan" through the unification
of the Kurdish states to be founded in neighboring countries.

To this end, the terror organization PKK having officially declared
the commencement of its armed activities following the bloody attacks
on the districts Eruh and Þemdinli on August 15, 1984 has determined
four-stage strategy in order to divide and destroy Turkey by trying to
gather some part of the people, who have been living in peace within
the country for thousands of years, on a separate territory under a
different flag claiming that they have allegedly a different identity.

According to the above-mentioned strategy, it has been intended to;

- Obtain certain cultural and social rights at the first stage,

- Set up an autonomy or another administrative system of federation
type at the second stage,

- Establish the alleged North Kurdistan in our territory at the
third stage and

- Found an independent and united Kurdistan state in the region to
include some parts of Iranian, Iraqi and Syrian territories at the
final stage.

To this end, the terror organization PKK has adopted the method of
separatism-based, three-phased armed propaganda which was called the
war of people, and based on violence directed against the regional
people. Accordingly, the terror organization PKK has aimed at.

- Completing strategic defense stage through armed propaganda,
alleged guerilla war and mobile war operations under the control of its
leading staff within the framework of its ideological ideas in the
first phase,

- Partially completing the process of establishing fronts and an
army and thus, creating the strategic balance which will provide the
balance of power between the security forces and the terror
organization in the second phase and,

- Establishing saved areas in the region after triggering public
risings wherever possible by escalating the conflicts and passing into
strategic attack state when seizing the authority in the third phase,

The terror organization which has increased its armed force over 8
thousand men and raised the violence it has used against the people
regardless of their being women, elder or children to the highest level
from 1992 has not been able to achieve the above-mentioned stages until
today due to the measures taken in accordance with the "Area
Superiority Concept" put into practice from 1994, and the operations
successfully conducted by security forces. As a result, the separatist
terror organization was forced to take the decision of unilateral
ceasefire four times in 1993, 1995, 1998 and finally on September 01,
1999 in order to preserve its terrorist power.

The terror organization desiring to exploit the alleged cease-fire
as an opportunity of recovery for tactical purposes has tried to prove
that it still maintains its existence by continuing its acts and
violence against the civilians and security forces in rural, on the one
hand, carrying out sabotage and bomb attacks in the cities, on the
other hand.

The Turkish Armed Forces has gained an important success in pulling
down the terror organization and its activities to a marginal level
through a successful military operation it has conducted under the
Turkish constitution and legislation to destroy the internal threat, by
acting in a way that ensures the simultaneous implementation of a
series of administrative, social and economic measures taken to prevent
the support being provided to the terror organization.

The last achievement of the Turkish Armed Forces in struggling
against terrorism was that head of the terror organization A. ÖCALAN,
who was deported from Syria, was taken to Turkey following his capture
in Kenya/Nairobi on February 15, 1999 and brought before the
independent court.

The terror organization, tending to resort again to violence during
the period when the head of the terror organization has been taken to
Turkey and brought before the judge, has been able to adapt itself to
the new situation in a short time within the framework of the defense
that head of the terror organization has made in the court and has
tried to reach its goal by exploiting Turkey's EU goal and certain
values such as human rights and democratic rights widely accepted by
the international community. Within the framework of his defense in the
court, the head of the terrorist organization has changed his tactic
and begun to articulate such concepts as "Democratic Republic" and
"Democratic Middle Eastern Union" in its defense to save himself from
capital punishment.

At the VII. Congress of the terror organization held in the Kandil
Mountain region in Iraq on January 02-23, 2000 during which the new
strategy of the terror organization was agreed, it was decided that;

- The armed activities should be resumed in case of execution of
head of the terrorist organization and.

- The Kurdistan's National Liberation Army (ARGK), the alleged
military flank of the terror organization should maintain its existence
under the title of "People Defense Forces (Hezi Parastini Gel-HP) and
the Kurdistan's National Liberation Front (ERNK), the alleged political
flank of the terror organization, which mainly carries out activities
in European countries under the "Kurdish Democratic People Union
(Yekita Democratic A Gele Kurd-YDK) until appropriate legal
arrangements regarding recognition of the Kurdish identity in Turkey
and constitutional guarantees are provided.

The legalization plan that the terror organization has developed
according to its new strategy agreed during its congress, provides for
the followings:

- Giving the message that it is ready to make peace with the
government of Turkish Republic in order to obtain the status of being
recognized as a party in national and international public opinion,

- Handing over some terrorists to the security forces to convince
the public opinion that it is allegedly ready to make peace,

- Making political studies within the People's Democratic Party
(HADEP), which has political connection with the terror organization,
or a similar legal organization, and cooperating with other political
parties,

- Making guiding studies within the municipalities governed by
HADEP to broaden grass roots,

- Having contacts and cooperating with intellectuals from all
circles in Turkey's democratization to ensure the alleged cultural
rights of Kurds being recognized,

- Demanding that the Turkish government should make legal changes
to prove its goodwill through the human rights organizations,

- Bringing up the education in Kurdish language,

- Ensuring the Kurdish identity coming to the fore by focusing on
cultural activities,

- Organizing campaigns in order to ensure the scope of the law of
amnesty being extended,

The terror organization has attempted by its new plan to reach its
final goal that it could not achieve through its armed struggle it has
been carrying out for 16 years, through legalization efforts. To this
end, it has increased its activities it has conducted under the title
of the "Democratic Republic" at home and under "Political Settlement (
Solution ) To The Kurdish Problem" abroad,

In the plan the terror organization developed under the name of
"Peace Project" on March 07, 2000 following the VII. Congress,

- The alleged "Kurdish Problem" and PKK terror are identified with
the Irish, Palestinian, East Timor and Basque problems and it is
requested that the related "Political Solution" initiatives should also
be taken in Turkey and,

- It is put forward that the settlement of the alleged Kurdish
problem in Turkey in accordance with the predictions of head of the
terror organization, Öcalan would also serve the settlement of the
problems in the Middle Eastern countries, and the "Democratic Middle
Eastern Union" to be set up in regional countries would lead to
economic, social and cultural developments,

- Subsequently, in its 2nd "Party Assembly" meeting held in North
Iraq in September 2000, the terror organization decided to be
reorganized to conceal its terrorist identity and began to term its
former structure with innocent titles,

- Assuming that the new strategy of the terror organization could
not be well understood and adopted by its mountain members, the terror
organization held the III. "Party Assembly" meeting between 27 February
and 03 March 2001 and focused on restructuring activities in accordance
with the decisions it took during the said meeting. In addition, the
terror organization, having assessed that the people movement
activities could not achieve the desired level, has intensified its
efforts to ensure its new strategy being accepted by its members and
supporters through a series of meetings.

In this context;

* The "Centralized Propaganda and Media Conference" was held
between 29 May and 07 June 2001 in order for the efforts in the media
field, that the terror organization considers to be insufficient, and
to reach an organized structure,

* The "1st Public Movement Conference" was held between 20 June and
02 July 2001 for the purpose of carrying out the acts and activities
the terror organization has started under the name of alleged 2nd Peace
Efforts, in a more organized manner through its supporters and
sympathizers who are directed by the front organizations,

* The "1st Public Defense Forces (HPG), Conference" was held
between 28 June and 12 July 2001 in order to develop a new structure by
making radical changes in the armed flank of the terror organization
from the armed group order and discipline to war tactics and
techniques,

* The "3rd Free Women Party (PJA) Conference" was held on July
11-22, 2001 to make the women organizations conducting activities in
legal and illegal fields more active and organized,

* The "1st Culture, Art and Folklore Conference" was held on 11-22
July 2001 in order to indoctrinate wider parts of the people with
separatist ideas and,

* The "6th National Conference" was held on August 05-22, 2001
under the leadership of the alleged Supreme Council of the terror
organization in order to coordinate the conferences to be held in line
with the activities the terror organization carries out in various
fields and to direct all organizational efforts towards public
movements,

- The above-mentioned conferences have drawn special attention as
the ones which have been held within the framework of preparations for
the 8th Congress of the terror organization PKK. According to the
decisions taken during the said conferences, various campaigns have
been organized primarily in Europe and subsequently in Turkey for the
purpose of gaining support for the requests of constitutional
recognition of the Kurdish identity and the use of Kurdish language as
the language of education. However, the terror organization has not
been able to reach the desired level of participation by the people.

- On the other hand, the terror organization has focused on
re-establishment of the terrorist groups not directly affected by the
security forces and on their armed training in raid, laying ambush and
sabotage. The disagreements arising within the terror organization,
PKK-KPU conflict and escape of nearly five hundred Syrian terrorists
from the terror organization in particular have been the noticeable
problems that the terror organization has faced within the period under
review.

- In the meantime, the defense that head of the terror organization
has developed for his trial lasting in the European Court of Human
Rights has been printed by the terrorist organization in a two-volume
book under the title of "From the Sumerian Monastic State To The
Democratic Republic", accepted as the second manifesto and begun to be
used as a guide document for all activities carried out by the terror
organization and as a basic document in the ideological training of the
terrorist organization's members and supporters.

- The 8th Congress preparations which have lasted for a long time
in accordance with the outline of the said defense of head of the
terrorist organization was held in the Kandil Mountain region in
Northern Iraq on April 04-10, 2002 with the participation of 285
terrorist's 106 of whom were women and 179 men as well as about 100
audiences,

- In the said congress during which the activities the terror
organization PKK has conducted in the past and report developed
according to the defense of head of the terror organization and
submitted to the congress have also been evaluated, it has been pointed
out that;

* The terror organization PKK has obtained some advantages like
raising of the Kurdish problem in international area as a result of the
armed struggle it has conducted since 1977,

* However, the ideology and modus operandi adopted by the terror
organization at the beginning have failed due to the collapse of the
former Soviet system and the anti-terror environment arising following
the September 11, 2001 terrorist attack on the US and,

* It has been the time that PKK would be replaced by a completely
new formation in order not to be included in the list of terrorist
organizations, and it must undergo restructuring beginning from its
ideology to its lowest-level units, including a change in its
organizational title,

* The "3rd Free Women Party (PJA) Conference" was held on July
11-22, 2001 to make the women organizations conducting activities in
legal and illegal fields more active and organized,

* The "1st Culture, Art and Folklore Conference" was held on 11-22
July 2001 in order to indoctrinate wider parts of the people with
separatist ideas and,

* The terror organization PKK has obtained some advantages like
raising of the Kurdish problem in international area as a result of the
armed struggle it has conducted since 1977,

- During its 8th Congress, the terror organization has stated that
PKK's role has ended under current circumstances and decided that;

* It will not use the title "PKK" in the activities it carries out
in every field from April 04, 2002 when the birthday of head of the
terrorists is,

* It will conduct its activities under the title "Kurdistan's
Freedom and Democracy Congress-KADEK" from now on in accordance with a
new program, statute and organization based on the solution of Kurdish
problem in line with the main points of the defense that head of the
terrorists has submitted to the European Court of Human Rights within
the existing borders in four countries,

* PKK considers KADEK as its sole legal representative and disposes
of its moral and physical acquisitions to KADEK. The terror
organization made a press conference in Belgium/Brussels on April 16,
2000 and publicized its decisions.

- In the meantime, the fact that the inclusion of the PKK in the
list of terrorist organizations developed by the European Union member
nations which was issued on May 4, 2002 has led the members of the
terrorist organizations into great concern regarding the possible
inclusion of KADEK in the list of terrorist organizations. For this
reason, the terror organization has immediately begun to make protests
against such nations as Denmark, Spain, the UK who have had an effect
on the related decision-making,

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TOPIC: LOS CAMPESINOS CUBANOS EN SU LUCHA ARMADA CONTRA KASTRO EN 1960-7 LOS
ESCUADRONES DE TORTURADORES CUBANOS Y DE EJECUCIONES.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/721d4e771cd08e53
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 9:37 pm
From: "Miguel"

Pipilenca Guanaco wrote:
> Miguel :
>
> Gracias por eso de pensar que vivo en un mundo irreal: los sueños son
> regeneradores de la salud del individuo. Y al igual que yo, millones de
> hispano hablantes de la América toda sueñan.

Sue~nan con un paraiso terrenal que realmente es La Gran Estafa, como
dijera Eudocio Ravines, ese gran peruano, asesinado por la Seguridad
del Estado cubana en Mexico . Cada vez que han tomado el poder en
cualquier parte del mundo, los comunistas, los fascistas y los nazis,
todos engendros del marxismo, en lugar de un paraiso, crean un
infierno. Cien millones de muertos ha causado al mundo, solamente el
comunismo. Son ideologias intrinsicamente diabolicas, pero ustedes
nunca lo veran asi hasta que sea demasiado tarde.

Lo malo es quedarse
> estancado en el pasado, y creer que el fantasma soviético se expande en
> Cuba: no hay URSS desde hace mucho.

El que vive en el pasado apoyando a ideologias malevolas son los que
apoyan a un tirano que por 47 a~nos desgobierna a mi patria.
>
> Sabías que en Arabia Saudita no se permiten partidos políticos que
> elijan al jefe de gobierno? Sabías que es amigo y aliado democrático de
> USA en la zona?

Vaya caray!!!! He defendido yo alguna vez a Arabia Saudita? Por Dios
Pipi, no te vayas por esa tangente!!!!

> Sabías que las últimas declaraciones de anexión de territorios son las
> que hizo Saddam (Kuwait), Israel (zonas ocupadas) y Marruecos (Sahara
> occidental)? Después de Hitler, y su anexión de Austria, sólo la de
> Kuwait fue rechazada por USA utilizando la fuerza; en el resto de casos
> ni se entera de los crímenes contra civiles (sobre todo porque acaban de
> matar familias en la ofensiva en Iraq, dicen otros).

Y que tiene que ver todo eso con la tirania castro-fascista que tu
defiendes?
>
> La prensa libre es presa de Patriot Act, de Homeland Security, por eso
> no es libre de informar sobre los atropellos norteamericanos en el las
> zonas ocupadas. Eso lleva a que el pueblo norteamericano este
> desinformando y no entienda porqué odian tanto a sus tropas democráticas
> en las zonas ocupadas.

La prensa libre presa? Preguntale a Michael Moore que esta disfrutando
los millones que gano hablando peste del presidente.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/special/f911-screenshots.php

Hay algun sitio en la internet que se pueda ver en Cuba que presente
una vision alternativa al sistema castro-fascista? Hay alguna estacion
de radio en Cuba que pueda decir algo en contra del estado? Se permite
algun partido politico en Cuba que no sea el comunista?
hay alguna estacion de TV que no sea la propiedad del estado
castro-fascista? Sigue mintiendo y tergiversando la verdad. Nadie te
cree.

> La última de la prensa libre es querer vender la idea que en Iraq hay
> guerra civil, cuando todo anuncia una lucha de liberación nacional.

Aqui se vende de todo t cada ciudadano tiene la oportunidad de comprar
lo que quiere. Es muy diferente al castro-fascismo donde es el partido
el que decide lo que se va a decir y lo que no.

Y
> Cuba no es la excepción: Guantánamo es mantenida ocupada sin el
> consentimiento cubano, basado en un tratado bajo amenaza de fuerza y
> contraído por un dictador militar.

Eso no es verdad. Ese tratado no fue contraido por un dictador militar.
A quien te refieres?

> Y así vos, desde el suelo del ocupante, atacas la soberanía de Cuba. Ser
> vendepatria puede ser considerado sinónimo de tu nombre.

Vaya caray! Sigues con tu Guantanamo. Ya se ha discutido mucho. Te
envio un ejemplo de muchos otros que escribi hace unos meses. Cambia de
tema Pipi:

"Estamos hablando de la base naval de Guantanamo y saltas a Iraq.
Volvamos a Guantanamo. En primer, lugar debieras recomendarle a tu amo
de Kuba que sea macho y que ataque la base naval de Guantanamo. No se
tiene que preocupar de nada."

"La base naval de Guantanamo ocupa 72 kilometros cuadrados del
territorio nacional de Cuba. No me cabe la menor duda que, cuando
llegue la hora de la libertad, pasara a manos de cubanos. Si Cuba no
hubiera caido en manos de un asesino megalomano como Fidel Castro, con
un odio patologico hacia los Estados Unidos, ya los norteamericanos
hubieran cerrado la base. Los EEUU han cerrado cientos de bases en el
mundo porque ya no les hacia falta. La base de Caimanera hubiera estado

entre ellas."

"Lo mas importante para el pueblo de Cuba no son 72 kilometros
cuadrados
ocupado por la Marina norteamericana que representa el 0.00105 del
territorio nacional. Mas importante para nosotros los cubanos son los
68,886 kilometros cuadrados de terrirorio nacional que estan ocupados
por un SATRAPA que ha destruido a una nacion y que se mantiene en el
poder por medio del terror."

>
> Da ejemplo: ve a vivir la democracia del arenal tutnichapa de San
> Salvador, a gozar de la libertad que este sufrido pueblo goza. Después
> hablamos.
Y tu vete a vivir a Llega y Pon o tantos de los cientos de barrios
marginados en la Cuba castro-fascista para que veas lo bueno que es el
castro-fascismo.
>
> >>Somoza permitía partidos políticos, cosa que no lo convierte en
> >>demócrata. A pesar de juego político, de la existencia de partidos, en
> >>Florida, Bush, gana elecciones de manera antidemocrática. No es la
> >>existencia de partidos múltiples lo que garantiza la voluntad popular,
> >>eso lo saben todos aquellos que votaron por la oposición en los
> >>regímenes de Pinochet, Fujimori, Flores, Alemán, etc.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >No, pero eran mas democratas que Castro. Aquellos que votaron por la
> >oposicion en los regimenes de Pinochet, etc, tenian por lo menos el
> >derecho de votar por otro, algo que el pueblo de Cuba no tiene.
> >
> >Te quitaste la careta y demuestras lo que eres, un perfecto castro
> >fascista que se cree que los unicos que tienen derecho a hablar, a
> >discutir, a elegir a sus gobernantes son los que piensan como tu.
> >
> Como ves, le adjudicas a Pinochet ser demócrata. Y a los pueblos el
> derecho de votar, no de ser acatados, ni de ser respetada su voluntad,
> como cuando los demócratas pierden la elección en Florida. Esa falsa
> democracia, no es la mía. Yo prefiero que la voluntad del pueblo se
> respete, a un montón de partidos que legitimen el irrespeto a la ley y
> al pueblo.

Eres mentiroso. Jamas he defendido a ningun dictador llamese Batista,
Pinochet o Castro. El que defiende a UN TIRANO (con letras mayusculas),
eres TU. Te gusta tergiversar la verdad. Tu amo Fifo el Loco debe de
estar muy orgulloso de ti.
>
> Atte.
> Pipilenca
>

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TOPIC: Turks claim Newroz as national holiday ... By Vanessa Able
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9ab0c924aab98e39
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 21 2006 9:38 pm
From: "rick murphy"