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Saturday, March 25, 2006

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Today's topics:

* Muslims Call For Release Of Afghan Christian - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f2baad4018d91f24
* Where are all the great ruins of the Negro nations? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5cfe37852f40f77c
* BLOOD AND GORE OF "SWARMER" - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a0949fc51b705622
* Prosecution of convert 'un-Islamic' - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f8e9e9c6b1d170fe
* Pakistan, Saudi Arabia in secret nuke pact - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/45dc30161b341339
* Deport the Illegals - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/7db05cf4996f8e36
* ZIONAZI DERSHOWITZ-PLAGIARIST AND A LIAR! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e0ce0cabb8470242
* MISMO PERRO CON DIFERENTE COLLA...RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR !!! - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9f0a9d6f131760d9
* Latin American Leftists Redefine Politics SAME DOG WITH A DIFFERENT COLLAR. -
1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d5ad1a7ee1f2a1f
* LA TUMBA OLVIDADA - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2e9ac144eb560f43
* Top Russian Communist says U.S. denying using Bird Flu as Biological Weapon -
1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b54701d5f036585c
* hindutva terrorism, spamming addresses all over usenet! - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/11e502dfbc177311
* Hindutva terrorists have murdered 10's of thousands in India, 55,000 Sikhs
alone! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/1517c699247ea1d0
* India - Land of Government Corruption and persecution of thosewhotell the
truth - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/0125260cfa30f8c7
* Indian Hindu nazi caught out on his lies yet again - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/65c4c7c5672e8eca
* nelly boss, hindutva lying sack of shit - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/1e8d41633c73eca5
* nelly kashmiri dog to India and Australia - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c65a21b9737985fe
* India, the cult of evil known as the hindutva - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/cad8f898e8679854
* Australia - Black and white justice - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/64c00180b0ce1da6
* India, hampered by too much red tape and bureaucratic inefficiency - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/fdf417f11fc2cc87

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TOPIC: Muslims Call For Release Of Afghan Christian
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f2baad4018d91f24
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 26 2006 2:08 am
From: "Sam Rahul"

"smashter" <smashter@mink.com> wrote in message news:sGnVf.12029$ji6.762065@news20.bellglobal.com...
> I didn't know much about islam but over the past five years i've seen so
> much evil...so so much evil...But it has been going on for 50 years at
> least..
>
> murder of robert kenedy

Sirhan claims that he is innocent.
http://www.jfk-info.com/teeter2.htm

Manchurian Candidate
http://www.webcom.com/ctka/pr797-rfk.html

> shooting of the pope

He was a Turkish/Bulgarian assassin working for the KGB, he had nothing to do with Islam other than his first name.

> hatred of malcomX

After he travelled to the middle east he discovered that he had been misinformed about Islam.

From Malcolm X's Letter from Mecca: "America needs to understand Islam, because this is the one religion that erases
from its society the race problem. Throughout my travels in the Muslim world, I have met, talked to, and even eaten with
people who in America would have been considered white - but the white attitude was removed from their minds by the
religion of Islam. I have never before seen sincere and true brotherhood practiced by all colors together, irrespective
of their color."
http://www.lancs.ac.uk/socs/islamic/documents/hajj2.htm

> hatred of the arse who is now in charge of the us muslims(who murdered
> malcolmX)

Islam And Farrakhanism Compared
http://www.iiie.net/Brochures/Brochure-19.html

> many many murders of innocent passangers of planes
> Lockerbie

Police chief- Lockerbie evidence was faked
http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1855852005

> Lebanon bombing
> murders on spainish trains
> murders in london subway
> 9/11

One day the truth about 9/11 will come to light.
http://www.911truth.org/

> twin tower attacks prior to 9/11
> many many other attacks in us
> decapitation on kidnapped victims in iraq
>
> And you actually think i have a problem....you stand for all of this
> blood-shed.

You definitly have a problem, your primary purpose is to spread hate aganist muslims, and I do not doudt that people
like you out their will do what they can to get muslims and the rest of the world murdered.

> You and your god and your religion.... you have no shortage of murderers
> waiting in the wings.
> Only a fool woulld not see the evil that this religion has become...
> No, only a lunatic would follow such filth to hell.
> What kind of a god allows this....are you people insane....
> I do not hate any individual...but only a filthy pig would follow a religion
> that has been covered with so many innocent's blood.
> The stench would rise up to any god and make him vomit.
> No, you are the one that needs help.If I were you I'd get on my knees as
> soon as possible
> and ask god to show you the truth of your evil ways.

> "Sam Rahul" <SamRahul@NOemail.com> wrote in message
> news:JrOdnbNzWqV8ZLjZRVn-tA@sysmatrix.net...
> > "smashter" <smashter@mink.com> wrote in message
> > news:NmmVf.8081$qX6.326786@news20.bellglobal.com...
> >> It should not be denounced as 'to enhance the understanding of Islam,
> >> encourage dialogue, protect civil liberties, empower American'. It should
> >> be
> >> denounced as a filthy,black-hearted muderous judgment that only a pig
> >> would
> >> decide. It is a judgment only a sub-human pig would
> >> advocate. It has developed from a love of lucifer. It is an act of
> >> evil....only a follower of lucifer
> >
> > You are full of hate.
> >
> >> could even consider such an evil judgment.The coward who has made this
> >> judgment will go to his god,lucfer and he will burn in hell for ever and
> >> ever...he is a pig.a dog. a coward.he sits in judgment , arrogant and
> >> merciless like his god...lucifer....
> >
> > You need psychological help, you are on the brinks of getting into a
> > mental institution
> >
> >>
> >> "Sam Rahul" <SamRahul@NOemail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1pSdnWspzpYfcLjZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@sysmatrix.net...
> >> > Wednesday, March 22, 2006
> >> > CAIR Calls For Release Of Afghan Christian
> >> >
> >> > In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful
> >> >
> >> > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> >> >
> >> > CAIR CALLS FOR RELEASE OF AFGHAN CHRISTIAN
> >> > Islamic civil rights group says conversion a personal, not state matter
> >> >
> >> > (WASHINGTON, D.C., 3/22/2006) - A prominent national Islamic civil
> >> > rights
> >> > and advocacy group today called on the
> >> > government of Afghanistan to release Abdul Rahman, a man facing the
> >> > death
> >> > penalty for converting from Islam to
> >> > Christianity.
> >> >
> >> > The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) says
> >> > the
> >> > man's conversion is a personal matter not
> >> > subject to the intervention of the state.
> >> >
> >> > SEE: Afghan Christian Could Face Death
> >> > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/22/world/main1428951.shtml
> >> >
> >> > In its statement, CAIR said:
> >> >
> >> > "Islamic scholars say the original rulings on apostasy were similar to
> >> > those for treasonous acts in legal systems
> >> > worldwide and do not apply to an individual's choice of religion. Islam
> >> > advocates both freedom of religion and freedom
> >> > of conscience, a position supported by verses in the Quran, Islam's
> >> > revealed text, such as:
> >> >
> >> > 1) 'If it had been the will of your Lord that all the people of the
> >> > world
> >> > should be believers, all the people of the
> >> > earth would have believed! Would you then compel mankind against their
> >> > will to believe?' (10:99)
> >> > 2) '(O Prophet) proclaim: 'This is the Truth from your Lord. Now let
> >> > him
> >> > who will, believe in it, and him who will, deny
> >> > it.'' (18:29)
> >> > 3) 'If they turn away from thee (O Muhammad) they should know that We
> >> > have
> >> > not sent you to be their keeper. Your only
> >> > duty is to convey My message.' (42:48)
> >> > 4) 'Let there be no compulsion in religion.' (2:256)
> >> >
> >> > "Religious decisions should be matters of personal choice, not a cause
> >> > for
> >> > state intervention. Faith imposed by force is
> >> > not true belief, but coercion. Islam has no need to compel belief in
> >> > its
> >> > divine truth. As the Quran states: 'Truth
> >> > stands out clear from error. Therefore, whoever rejects evil and
> >> > believes
> >> > in God has grasped the most trustworthy
> >> > hand-hold that never breaks.' (2:256)
> >> >
> >> > "We urge the government of Afghanistan to order the immediate release
> >> > of
> >> > Mr. Abdul Rahman."
> >> >
> >> > Before issuing its statement, CAIR consulted with members of the Fiqh
> >> > Council of North America, an association of
> >> > Islamic legal scholars that interprets Muslim religious law.
> >> >
> >> > CAIR, America's largest Muslim civil liberties group, has 32 offices,
> >> > chapters and affiliates nationwide and in Canada.
> >> > Its mission is to enhance the understanding of Islam, encourage
> >> > dialogue,
> >> > protect civil liberties, empower American
> >> > Muslims, and build coalitions that promote justice and mutual
> >> > understanding.
> >> >
> >> > - END -
> >> > www.cair-net.org

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 26 2006 2:15 am
From: "Sam Rahul"

"smashter" <smashter@mink.com> wrote in message news:AaoVf.12044$ji6.765300@news20.bellglobal.com...
> If you really belive in what you are saying and if your religion really
> does belive this then why are not you and your fellow muslims going to
> mid-east and fighting to save your people from the extremists... are you a
> coward?
> Or perhaps you just want to bull shit westerers while your fellow muslims do
> the murdering|?
> Why don't you go and convice them to work with christians and jews for peace
> and justice?
>
> Muslims would send nuclear bombs and kill all westerers if the could.I think
> you are in the us because you know it will take them some time to be able to
> accomplish this. The problem is that muslims will get the same ....I just
> don't know what you expect to accomplish..with all of this murder!
>
> Why do you muslims keep someone like Sadaam in charge? why did you not fight
> him?
> I know...he was a so called fellow muslim...why are young americans dying in
> iraq... you should be there , bringing peace and prosperity to your fellow
> muslims...why do you not cry out why sunnis blow up the muslim shine...?
>
> You are hoplessly lost in your own bullshit...you belive your own lies...you
> haven't got the guts to do what my ancestors did to build a free nation of
> peace and prosperity. Youv'e built nations full of murderers....you've
> transformed your religion into a violent terrorist organization.
> If you really care for islam...then fight for it...

If you really mean what you say, why don't you start by yourself and teach Muslims about
religious tolerance from their own book. Blessed are the peace makers.

> "Sam Rahul" <SamRahul@NOemail.com> wrote in message
> news:1pSdnWspzpYfcLjZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@sysmatrix.net...
> > Wednesday, March 22, 2006
> > CAIR Calls For Release Of Afghan Christian
> >
> > In the Name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful
> >
> > FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
> >
> > CAIR CALLS FOR RELEASE OF AFGHAN CHRISTIAN
> > Islamic civil rights group says conversion a personal, not state matter
> >
> > (WASHINGTON, D.C., 3/22/2006) - A prominent national Islamic civil rights
> > and advocacy group today called on the
> > government of Afghanistan to release Abdul Rahman, a man facing the death
> > penalty for converting from Islam to
> > Christianity.
> >
> > The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) says the
> > man's conversion is a personal matter not
> > subject to the intervention of the state.
> >
> > SEE: Afghan Christian Could Face Death
> > http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/22/world/main1428951.shtml
> >
> > In its statement, CAIR said:
> >
> > "Islamic scholars say the original rulings on apostasy were similar to
> > those for treasonous acts in legal systems
> > worldwide and do not apply to an individual's choice of religion. Islam
> > advocates both freedom of religion and freedom
> > of conscience, a position supported by verses in the Quran, Islam's
> > revealed text, such as:
> >
> > 1) 'If it had been the will of your Lord that all the people of the world
> > should be believers, all the people of the
> > earth would have believed! Would you then compel mankind against their
> > will to believe?' (10:99)
> > 2) '(O Prophet) proclaim: 'This is the Truth from your Lord. Now let him
> > who will, believe in it, and him who will, deny
> > it.'' (18:29)
> > 3) 'If they turn away from thee (O Muhammad) they should know that We have
> > not sent you to be their keeper. Your only
> > duty is to convey My message.' (42:48)
> > 4) 'Let there be no compulsion in religion.' (2:256)
> >
> > "Religious decisions should be matters of personal choice, not a cause for
> > state intervention. Faith imposed by force is
> > not true belief, but coercion. Islam has no need to compel belief in its
> > divine truth. As the Quran states: 'Truth
> > stands out clear from error. Therefore, whoever rejects evil and believes
> > in God has grasped the most trustworthy
> > hand-hold that never breaks.' (2:256)
> >
> > "We urge the government of Afghanistan to order the immediate release of
> > Mr. Abdul Rahman."
> >
> > Before issuing its statement, CAIR consulted with members of the Fiqh
> > Council of North America, an association of
> > Islamic legal scholars that interprets Muslim religious law.
> >
> > CAIR, America's largest Muslim civil liberties group, has 32 offices,
> > chapters and affiliates nationwide and in Canada.
> > Its mission is to enhance the understanding of Islam, encourage dialogue,
> > protect civil liberties, empower American
> > Muslims, and build coalitions that promote justice and mutual
> > understanding.
> >
> > - END -
> > www.cair-net.org
> >
> >
>
>

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TOPIC: Where are all the great ruins of the Negro nations?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5cfe37852f40f77c
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 11:53 pm
From: Voice Of Reason <>

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 07:44:07 -0800, Von Bailey
<ovbailey@noneofyourbusiness.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 22:48:39 -0500, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 19:28:18 -0800, Von Bailey
>><ovbailey@noneofyourbusiness.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:55:03 -0500, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:59:18 -0500, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"James Crow" <dont_let_the_sun_go_down_on_you_bw@h.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:drrmvi$vfj$1@domitilla.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aztecs, Mayans, Egyptians, Babylonians, Chinese, Japanese, Europeans, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They all had their great buildings and their great empires with plenty of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ruins and evidence to show it. Egyptians are famous for their great
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pyramids, Aztecs and Mayans had temples and cities, Romans had colosseums,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chinese had the great wall... all evidence of great empires.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Someone help me find a link to the great Sub-Saharan Negro Pyramids, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great Negro Wall, or how about the great paved roads connecting the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greatand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Superior Negro Empires. I would like to see great stone Negro castles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evidence of bronze swords and armor, the great Negro Aqueducts that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spanned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for miles, and the Great Negro Architectural bridges.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So where are all these sub-Saharan nations that ya read about in books
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that existed before the War? How many? 20? 30? Name them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Three or four come to mind...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ghana, with a history that listed 44 Kings before Christ and as far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>back as the 7th century BC. It was known as the "Land of Gold"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>because it supplied the mineral on an international basis and had an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>iron industry for over a thousand years. Using the Niger and lesser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rivers in the empire they were able to build a system of cities and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>towns that produced commercial goods for the world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Not as independent nation, but a collection of regional tribes, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>then later a British colony as part of its so-called Gold Coast.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ghana did not become a nation until 1957, 12 years *after* the War.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Try again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>They imported salt, textiles, cowrie shells, brass, dates, figs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>pearls, fruit, sugar, dried rasins and hoone. Some of heir chief
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>exports were gold, ivory, rubber. In 1060, the impreial army numbered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>200,000 of which 100,000 were mounted and 40,000 were expertly trained
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bow and arrow brigades. Their most famous schools were Kumbi-Saleh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and Dejenne (also known as Kumbi-Kumbi and Jenne respectively) and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>world renowned school called The University fo Sankore was at Timbuktu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(just north of Ghana).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mali, under the rule of Muslim kings, the greatest of which was Mansa
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Musa, who wanted to be known as the greatest Black Muslim in all of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Africa. Under his rule Mali indulged in international trade. By the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mid 1300's Mali was an empire of it's own right. It controled the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>salt mines of Taghaza, encompassed Nigeria in the east and Fulani in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the west.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nope. Mali become a nation in 1960.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Songhay, their most prosperous time during the 15th and 16th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>centuries. It had a long history of dias (kings) that coul be traced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>back to the 7th century. They had gained control over the main
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>caravan city in western Africa Gao. With this as a foundation they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>built a nation that lasted until the mid 1600s.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Mossi States, an amagamation of kingdoms with common values and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>kinship. The most prominent of which were Wagdug, Yatenga, Fada
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gurma, Mamprussi and Dagomba. They had the most successful calvary in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Africa and stood their own against the empires of Mali and Songhay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>They had a political structure that started with a King of Kings (as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>each individual state had a govenor who had absolute control of his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>particular state) and a prime minister.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>There are quite a few more. If you're really interested (and that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sarcastic as I know you aren't) you might start with Chancellor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Williams "The destruction of Black Civilization, Great issues of race
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>from 4500 B.C to 2000 A.D." It's where I got some of the information
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>above.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>These were not nations, but as you yourself quoted above, but loose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>collections ("amalgamation of kingdoms") of tribes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Just look at the current state of the Congo for how they existed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hundreds of years ago -- almost non-stop skirmishs between numerous
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>regional groups (tribes) and sometimes all-out warfare.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>There was a time when the losers of these battles would be sold off by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the victors into slavery, and yes, pass through what is now known as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ghana on their way to the New World. So much for their "great ruins".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thank you for that 'non-referenced' pack of lies and ignorance about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>place you have demonstrated supreme stupidity about. It appears that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your entire knowledge of African history appears to be what you read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in the captions of National Geographic while looking for pictures of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>women's breast to jack off to ass a kid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nice try but wrong all around. IF ya have facts (not wild-eyed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>guesses) that repudiate what I said, then post them right here .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I cited a book that backs up everything I've said and you have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>refernced NOTHING. There is plenty of evidence of nations and even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>empires in sub-sahara africa and your stupidity and ignorance about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>them doesn't change that it the least. Your comments didn't do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>anything except demonstrate what you think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>So what, anyone can write a book and say whatever they want. Nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>changes the fact that the colonial era ended after WW II.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Which is irrelevant wrt the nations in Ancient Africa.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>WHAT "nations"?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Already listed by me and others.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>How do those places that you listed qualify as "nations"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Because they fit the definition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Which is??
>>>>>>
>>>>>You don't know yet you feel you have the ability to distinguish if one
>>>>>exists. Another little thing that makes you look stupid.
>>>>
>>>>Wrong, I DO know what the definition is, the question is whether YOU
>>>>do or not.
>>>
>>>No. Since I have given examples of what I called african
>>>civilizations you must demonstrate that they don't fit the definition.
>>>But you can't because you're so ignorant that you didn't even know
>>>they existed.
>>
>>No. I shouldn't be doing YOUR homework for you. You made the claim
>>that they were nations, so show *how* they really had attributes of
>>nations.
>>
>What else do you need? I told you what book to check and I told you
>what the names of the nations were. The book that I referenced calls
>them nations and it gives the evidence that supports it. Granted
>you'd have to actually read a book on Africa to get the evidence but
>you claim you've read books so that's shouldn't be a problem.

Calling a group of people a "nation" doesn't quite cut it. Let's see
the specific evidence that made them more than just a tribe, at best.

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TOPIC: BLOOD AND GORE OF "SWARMER"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a0949fc51b705622
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 26 2006 12:09 am
From: "serwad"

The Gruesome Reality of Operation Swarmer
But while the public is fed rosy propaganda, the reality is far more
gruesome. Take, for example, the operation in Isshaqi, a small village near
Samarra. At 1:30am on Tuesday, March 21, the American troops, accompanied by
helicopters , raided the modest rural home of a primary school teacher, Faiz
Mratt. According to his neighbor Mohammad Al-Majma, the 27-year-old school
teacher, his wife, their three children, his sister, her three children, his
father and a woman who was visiting them were all arrested, tied, and
beaten, and then the American troops opened fire on the family. "After they
executed them, the troops put explosives in the house and blew it up," said
Mohammad, crying. "They killed even the farm animals"
Faiz's surviving sister was devastated. "They killed my mother, Torkiya
Majid, who was 90 years old," she cried. "They killed Faiz's three children:
Hawra, 4, Aysha 2, and Hussam, who was only 4 months old. They killed my
sister Faiza, who was also a schoolteacher, and her children Osama 6, and
Asmaa, 5

We must be close to being force-fed those nightly "body counts" on
television as an indication of how we're winning this "war". What was that
line from the Viet Nam era, 'we had to destroy the village in order to save
it.'?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 9:24 pm
From: "Salah Jafar"

I been on lots of these raid, the final straw for me toward the retirement when they killed a man who has no arms. They arrested the entire family, innocent family. How can you tell a father we just accidentally killed your son. Serwad, I promise you and every man that a book will reveal the crime and the atrocity committed against the Iraqi people.
SJ

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TOPIC: Prosecution of convert 'un-Islamic'
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f8e9e9c6b1d170fe
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 26 2006 2:26 am
From: "Sam Rahul"

"smashter" <smashter@mink.com> wrote in message news:IpoVf.12051$ji6.766523@news20.bellglobal.com...
> Yes, I am full of hate...I hate the Mafia...I hate organized crime ...I hate
> naziism...I hate murder..Do you love the actions of islam?

Islam does not have actions, muslims do have actions.

> I think that only a non-thinking non-spiritual hypocryite would love the
> actions of the mafia,organized crime, naziism, and islam...

Anti-Muslim relgious bigot drivel.

> I am right to hate the evil that these organizations are

What organizations ? you are a wacko.

> perpetrating(perpetrated) on the world.You are a fool if you love what they
> do and should do some soul searching and /or get your head examined.

Do not forget to take your medication delirious.

> "Sam Rahul" <SamRahul@NOemail.com> wrote in message
> news:9fGdnSER_fUDjbvZRVn-jQ@sysmatrix.net...
> > Prosecution of convert 'un-Islamic'
> > By Frank Walker
> > March 26, 2006
> >
> >
> > AUSTRALIAN Muslim leaders yesterday condemned moves in Afghanistan to
> > execute a man who converted to Christianity.
> > The Australian Federation of Islamic Councils said the prosecution of
> > Abdul Rahman in Afghanistan was "barbaric" and
> > "un-Islamic".
> >
> > Spokesman Haset Sali called on the Australian Government to see if the
> > Afghan prosecutors could be charged with crimes
> > against humanity unless the religious charges against Mr Rahman were
> > dismissed.
> >
> > "Such barbaric action by anyone seeking to quote Islam as supporting their
> > criminal action needs to be dealt with as a
> > crime against humanity," Mr Sali said.
> >
> > He said the Koran stated there must be "no compulsion in religion".
> >
> > "The prosecution of Mr Rahman, seeking the death penalty against him for
> > converting to Christianity is reminiscent of
> > the fascist era that caused the Second World War and the pointless death
> > of 55 million people."
> >
> > Mr Sali said Afghans should respect the sanctity of life.
> >
> > http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/prosecution-of-convert-unislamic/2006/03/25/1143084045931.html#
> >

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TOPIC: Pakistan, Saudi Arabia in secret nuke pact
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/45dc30161b341339
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Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 9:10 pm
From: visualseeplus@yahoo.com

QA, MAJ, The CyberQuaid wrote:
> > A Pakistani C-130 was spotted by satellite loading North Korean
> missiles at Pyongyang airport last year.
>
> Rather than risking everyone laughing at you, please post a picture that the
> so called satellite took.

Why would I need to post pictures when in the article Pakistan itself
said "this was a straight purchase for cash and strongly denied a
nuclear quid pro quo." What's interesting is that the C-130 does not
have the range to fly a sea route to North Korea without refueling.
Meaning that China must have given the plane permission to overfly its
territory fully knowing about the deal and its cargo.

Its no secret that pakistan got nuke/nuke technology from China and
missiles from North Korea. Below is an article from the WSJ about the
purchase of missiles from North Korea. There's also another article on
the interception of a north korean ship headed for pakistan with
missile parts which I can dig up. Pakistan is number 1 not only in
terrorism but in handing out nukes and exchanging nukes for missiles
all of which it lies about having created indegenously.

THE WASHINGTON TIMES
March 31, 2003

Pakistan purchases N. Korean missiles
By Nicholas Kralev

Pakistan has purchased No Dong missiles from North Korea
fully assembled and ready to fly prompting the Bush
administration to impose sanctions on the Pakistani company in charge
of the nation's nuclear weapons program.

U.S. officials, who disclosed the transfer to The Washington
Times, said American-made C-130 aircraft were used to transport the
missiles to Pakistan.

"This is a very serious matter," a senior administration official
said. "We are not talking about missile technology or components but
full-fledged No Dong missiles that can deliver nuclear weapons
and they used aircraft we gave them to bring the missiles home."

The nuclear-capable missiles have a range of up to 900 miles and
can reach virtually every major Indian city.

A private Pakistani company, Kahn Research Laboratories (KRL),
also known as Kahuta Research Laboratories, is the direct target of
the sanctions. But U.S. officials said the transfer took place with
the knowledge of the highest levels of the Pakistani government.

The penalties, which are to be published in the Federal Register
as early as today, ban any business activities for two years between
the U.S. government and KRL, which, according to the official, is
primarily responsible for Pakistan's nuclear program.

Another official said the transfers occurred "during a period of
time ending in August, and we've been in close contact with the
Pakistani government since November, urging it to stop this behavior."

Earlier reports, including a CIA document obtained by The
Washington Times last year, suggested North Korea's missile-related
transfers to Pakistan included equipment, components, materials and
technical expertise but not entire missiles.

Washington has also imposed two-year Category 1 missile sanctions
against North Korea, through the state-owned Changgwang Sinyong Corp.,
under the congressional Arms Export Control Act, one official said.

"That has no huge practical impact because there is no trade
between the United States and North Korea, but it's an important
symbolic act that shows our focus on the North's proliferation
behavior and also tells the buyers how serious we are about this," he
said.

Because the end-user of the missile purchase cannot be sanctioned
under the Arms Export Control Act, known as the missile law, the
penalty against the Pakistani company was enacted by a State
Department executive order signed last week by John Bolton, assistant
secretary of state for arms control and international security.

While the Bush administration has discussed the issue with
authorities in Islamabad, it has not approached North Korea about it,
the official said.

A senior State Department official said Secretary of State Colin
L. Powell told Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf about the
sanctions in a telephone conversation Tuesday.

"The secretary said that we have to follow our laws, but our
bilateral relationship remains strong," the official said. "I think
the Pakistanis understand that we are doing what is necessary legally
and that this is not a political step."

The Pakistani government has repeatedly denied any purchases from
North Korea, but over the weekend it acknowledged that KRL has been
sanctioned.

The Foreign Ministry said in a statement that the sanctions are
unjustified but it would not affect "our determination to pursue our
indigenous missile program."

Islamabad, which did not cite the reason for Washington's action,
also sought to downplay its significance, saying KRL has never
depended on foreign assistance and the U.S. ban would have little
impact.

After September 11, 2001, the United States lifted most sanctions
previously imposed on Pakistan because of its nuclear program. Since
then, Gen. Musharraf's government has been one of Washington's most
important allies in the fight against terrorism, arresting some of al
Qaeda's most senior leaders.

Pakistan's reliability as an ally was called into question late
last year amid reports it had provided nuclear-bomb-making technology
to North Korea in exchange for missile parts and technology. Pakistan
is developing several types of missiles on its own.

North Korea's No Dong missile is an improved version of the
Soviet-made Scud, with an extended range and increased reliability.

U.S. officials said what aggravated the situation in the No Dong
transfer was the use of American-made planes for North Korean
proliferation purposes.
The C-130 aircraft belong to the Pakistani government, which
means that the Pakistani air force signed off on the operation, the
officials said.

The No Dong purchase is expected to increase already high
tensions with India because the missiles provide a delivery system for
Pakistan's nuclear weapons.

On Wednesday, India and Pakistan conducted tit-for-tat missile
tests, prompting a joint condemnation from the United States and
Britain.

The missile supplier, North Korean arms firm Changgwang Sinyong,
has been sanctioned by Washington before.

In August, it was punished for a missile transfer to Yemen; in
June 2001, for selling chemical-weapons materials and missile engines
to Iran; and in April 2000, for missile-technology sales to Syria.

In December, two Spanish warships seized a North Korean Scud
missile shipment destined for Yemen on behalf of the United States.

But Washington allowed the delivery to pass after the Yemeni
government promised the missiles were only for defense and that it
would not purchase arms from Pyongyang again.

Although the Bush administration was forced to acknowledge that
the transfer, which Yemen said was the last in a series contracted
several years earlier, violated no international laws or regulations,
it said something must be done to prevent weapons proliferation by
North Korea.

The administration has accused the North of parading its missiles
in "glossy brochures" around the world and selling them to anyone who
will pay.

Washington and Pyongyang have been locked in yet another nuclear
standoff since October, when the North admitted to having developed a
secret uranium-enrichment program while at the same time receiving
free fuel oil from the United States for having agreed in 1994 to
abandon all attempts to make nuclear weapons.

The Bush administration refuses to engage in bilateral talks with
North Korean leader Kim Jong-il's regime and is trying to put together
a forum with the participation of other regional powers. It insists
the problem of North Korea's nuclear ambitions is international and
not one between the United States and North Korea alone.

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TOPIC: Deport the Illegals
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/7db05cf4996f8e36
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Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 2:11 pm
From: Borked Pseudo Mailed

It is high time that we deport the Illegals in this country.
I see the scum demomstrating in our streets and flaunting our laws.
They are leeches and criminals and have already demonstrated that they
do not respect our laws.
Deport every one of these bastards.

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TOPIC: ZIONAZI DERSHOWITZ-PLAGIARIST AND A LIAR!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e0ce0cabb8470242
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Date: Sun, Mar 26 2006 12:14 am
From: "serwad"

PROFESSOR ALAN DERSHOWITZ

(This is the summary of the Dershowitz plagiarism story contained in our
e-mail of September 16, 2004, slightly edited in response to helpful
suggestions from a professor who commented on the e-mail.)

The second Harvard plagiarism story was broken in September 2003 and
involves Harvard Law School professor Alan Dershowitz. It concerns his 2003
book, "A Case For Israel" in which, according to one reviewer, Professor
Dershowitz engages in an "orgy of plagiarism," committing "wholesale,
unacknowledged looting" of research from an earlier book addressing the same
subject. (http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn09262003.html)

Specifically, it has been reported that 22 of the 52 endnotes to the first
two chapters of Professor Dershowitz's book were lifted straight from a 1984
book by Joan Peters, "From Time Immemorial," without attribution. These 22
endnotes contain not just the citations from Peters' footnotes, but also
extensive quotations from the cited sources set forth in Peters' footnotes.

Professor Dershowitz's response to these reports was, at least initially, to
say he had done nothing even remotely questionable. Among other things, he
represented that while writing the book he had independent knowledge of the
underlying sources based on his earlier research, and he stated it was
hardly surprising he and Peters would cite some commonly consulted sources.
In the radio interview in which he first confronted the charges, Professor
Dershowitz stated that while he of course had read Peters' book, which
"anybody writing a book on the Middle East would" do, he had also read
"independently probably 30 or 40 other books which use the same quotes, they're
very extensively used . . . ."
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4825.htm. Professor
Dershowitz also accused his critics of being ideologically opposed to him
and made various ad hominem attacks on them.

These ad hominem attacks apparently backfired, energizing Professor
Dershowitz's critics and leading them to investigate further. Ultimately
Professor Dershowitz's claim that he'd done nothing wrong, but had merely
cited some commonly consulted sources which he'd found in 30 or 40 other
books, sources which Peters had happened also to cite, was challenged with
what his critics characterized as "smoking gun" evidence obtained from a
reviewer of Professor Dershowitz's book. This reviewer had kept the advance
uncorrected proofs he'd been sent by the publisher, and the reviewer
forwarded them to the scholar who had first noticed Professor Dershowitz's
plagiarism, Norman Finkelstein.

These advance uncorrected proofs contained Professor Dershowitz's own
handwritten note to a research assistant directing her to copy Peters'
footnotes into the manuscript of his own book. The note read: "Holly Beth:
cite sources of pp. 160, 485, 486 [of Peters' book], fns 141-45." Only after
these advance uncorrected proofs were discovered to be in the hands of his
critics did Professor Dershowitz then assert that the advance uncorrected
proofs actually supported his claim of innocence, which raises the question
why he did not produce them earlier. (See
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=5 (Dershowitz letter
and Cockburn reply)) It would seem plausible to assume Professor Dershowitz
would not have initially denied lifting Peters' footnotes, and would not
have stated he just happened to find the same commonly cited sources in 30
or 40 other books he'd read, if he had realized his publisher had sent to
book reviewers advance uncorrected proofs containing what his critics
characterize as "smoking gun" evidence in his own handwriting proving
Dershowitz's initial statements false.

Further evidence that Professor Dershowitz lied in an effort to cover up his
plagiarism, his critics argue, can be found in the fact that the footnotes
in Peters' book contain some mistakes in the quotations and citations, and
use ellipses in the quotations, and the very same mistakes and ellipses
appear in the endnotes of Professor Dershowitz's book - proving, his critics
argue, that they were simply copied verbatim from Peters' book, and
Professor Dershowitz didn't even check the original sources to see whether
the quotations and citations to them in Peters' book were accurate. (See
http://www.thecrimson.com/today/article349123.html)

For background concerning the Dershowitz plagiarism story, see:

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=1

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=4&ar=1

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=4

http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?pg=11&ar=5

http://hnn.us/articles/1735.html

http://www.democracynow.org/static/dershowitzFin.shtml

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn09262003.html

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Auschwitz/Finkelstein/HarvardCrimson_0.html

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=349044

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=349031

http://www.thecrimson.com/today/article349123.html

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=349122

http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/1162

http://www.pressaction.com/news/weblog/full_article/spinoza10022003

http://buffaloreport.com/articles/031012cockburn.dershowitz.html

http://hnn.us/readcomment.php?id=20220

http://www.hlrecord.org/news/2003/10/16/Opinion/Letters.To.The.Editor-530895.shtml

OgletreeSkeptics@yahoo.com
[cc] (see http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/cc/cc.html;
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0)

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TOPIC: MISMO PERRO CON DIFERENTE COLLA...RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR !!!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9f0a9d6f131760d9
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 9:02 pm
From: "PM"

Latin American Leftists Redefine Politics
Mar 19, 12:16 PM (ET)
By TRACI CARL
http://story.news.ask.com//article/20060319/D8GEP4000.html

MEXICO CITY (AP) - These aren't the hide-in-the-hills leftists of
yesteryear, ready to take up arms against the oppressor.

A new wave of Latin American leaders - variously labeled leftist, populist,
nationalist or socialist - is redefining politics in a region where
U.S.-backed, right-wing dictatorships spent decades crushing their mostly
leftist opponents and supporting corporate interests amid fears of inroads
by the Soviet Union and its Cuban proxy.

That struggle, fought everywhere from the mountains of Guatemala to the
streets of Argentina, has given way to a new generation of politicians as
the Cold War recedes into history - a more pragmatic left that embraces its
own flavor of free-market policies while vowing to champion the poor and
forgotten.

The wave has carried leftist leaders to power in South America's largest and
richest nations, as well as impoverished Bolivia. And while once-dominant
conservatives haven't vanished altogether - right-leaning candidates are
popular in Peru and Colombia - the trend is likely to intensify with
elections still to come this year in Peru, Colombia, Mexico, Brazil,
Nicaragua and Venezuela.

Once-reliable allies can no longer be counted on to support the U.S. in
international disputes, and have refused to sign trade deals that preserve
subsidies for U.S. industries. Standing up to perceived U.S. bullying is a
reliable way to win votes, and the White House has delivered a tailor-made
issue by threatening to cut aid to Latin American countries that refuse to
make U.S. citizens immune to prosecution in the new International Criminal
Court.

The election with the biggest impact on U.S. policy may be in Mexico, where
the front-runner, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, could end a 24-year run of
conservative leadership that has moved the southern neighbor steadily to the
right. Like all Mexican politicians, he has reacted angrily to the U.S.
crackdown on illegal immigration.

And while Lopez Obrador has good relations with most of Mexico's business
community, he worries some American business interests. A former leader of
rowdy labor protests whose left-center party absorbed Mexico's old
communists, Lopez Obrador was noted as Mexico City's mayor for handouts to
the poor and big-ticket public works projects, an approach to governing that
earned him the label many politicians dread: populist.

The term has come to mean short-term pandering to the masses at the expense
of the long-term good for all. Similar policies left many Latin American
nations deeply in debt and doomed to boom-and-bust economic cycles.

Then there's socialist, a vague term if there ever was one in Latin America,
where only Cuban communist Fidel Castro advocates full-on socialist-style
public ownership of the means of production. The socialist label is also
proudly shared by Chilean free-trader Michelle Bachelet, Venezuelan
firebrand Hugo Chavez and Bolivian coca farmer-turned-President Evo Morales.

But under Chavez's brand of "Bolivarian Socialism," the state has tried to
maintain a vibrant private sector while claiming an ever-larger role in
managing the economy. Morales'"Movement Toward Socialism" party is trying to
impose the same changes on Bolivia. And while Peru's outsider presidential
candidate Ollanta Humala says he's a "nationalist" not a "socialist," he too
would impose greater state control over a free market he considers a
"utopia."

Some Latin leftists - like Chavez and Humala, rose through military ranks.
Others came up through Marxist-influenced politics of protest. But aside
from Castro, all now seem unified in the belief that private business
remains essential to economic growth that can in turn ease the region's
widespread poverty.

And that has made for some intriguing twists on the old political labels.

Lopez Obrador has maintained such cozy relations with Latin America's
richest businessman, Carlos Slim, that the Zapatista rebels attack him for
not being leftist enough. Argentina's Nestor Kirchner and Luiz Inacio Lula
da Silva, a former radical union leader who has embraced conservative
economic policies as Brazil's first leftist president, face similar
complaints.

Both Silva and Kirchner orchestrated early payoffs of their nations'
International Monetary Fund debts, saving billions in interest and restoring
some national pride. And in Chile, the Socialist-led government just won
re-election with promises to maintain a fiscal discipline unmatched by the
free-spending conservatives in charge in Washington.

While most of these leaders talk about a common Latin American identity - an
idea much in evidence when Morales was celebrated at his inauguration as an
example for all of Latin America's Indians - they also insist on defending
their countries' sovereignty - an attitude increasingly labeled nationalist,
particularly when it means standing up to the United States.

Humala, a retired army lieutenant colonel, labels his outsider campaign a
"nationalist project" for Peru, and while he says he wouldn't seize property
or limit free speech, he's gained a strong following among voters seeking a
tough leader to punish the corrupt and impose order.

Leftist, Populist, Socialist, Nationalist - these can be fighting words,
especially when the U.S. defense secretary joins in the rhetorical battle.

"We've seen some populist leadership appealing to masses of people, and
elections like Evo Morales in Bolivia take place that clearly are
worrisome," Donald H. Rumsfeld warned in a recent speech. He also compared
the nationalist, socialist Chavez to the original National Socialist, Adolf
Hitler.

Chavez's quick response: "The imperialist, mass murdering, fascist attitude
of the president of the United States doesn't have limits. I think Hitler
could be a nursery baby next to George W. Bush."

Imperialist? Fascist? Many Latin Americans attach these terms to the United
States, especially after U.S. President George Bush and Mexican President
Vicente Fox were rejected as bullies for pushing a Free Trade Area of the
Americas deal that critics said would preserve huge subsidies for U.S.
industries.

These acts of nationalist defiance - along with policies to do more for the
poor and a general revulsion against of the bloodshed of past decades - have
sapped public enthusiasm for the scattered groups of armed leftists that
remain in Latin America.

Mexico's Zapatistas have refused to give up their guns and masks, and other
small rebel bands sometimes attack Mexican police. Peru's once-feared Maoist
Shining Path is down to a few hundred rebels protecting drug traffickers and
occasionally killing police in the jungle. And the Revolutionary Armed
forces of Colombia has been reduced, after half a century, to a small
peasant army with scarce public support. Right-wing assassins decimated its
political wing decades ago, and Colombia's peaceful left has withered under
the tenure of right-wing President Alvaro Uribe.

All this goes to show that the old labels are increasingly misleading in
Latin America - a point made recently by Carlos Fuentes, a famed Mexican
novelist, moderate leftist and frequent critic of U.S. policies.

Fuentes wrote that while Lopez Obrador has been unfairly "demonized" as a
populist demagogue, Chavez is a "tropical Mussolini" trying to pass himself
off as a leftist. His recommendation: Latin leftists should follow the
Chilean socialist model, a real genre-bender that mixes free-market
economics and fiscal restraint with poverty-reduction programs.

In most cases, that's what they're already doing. These new leaders have
found electoral success by walking a fine line between fiscally sound
policies that please international markets and creating social programs for
their long-ignored populations.

"I don't see how we can be opposed to that if it helps stabilize democratic
systems," said Riordan Roett, director of Western Hemisphere studies at
Johns Hopkins University.

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TOPIC: Latin American Leftists Redefine Politics SAME DOG WITH A DIFFERENT
COLLAR.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d5ad1a7ee1f2a1f
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 26 2006 12:03 am
From: "PM"

Latin American Leftists Redefine Politics
Mar 19, 12:16 PM (ET)
By TRACI CARL
http://story.news.ask.com//article/20060319/D8GEP4000.html

MEXICO CITY (AP) - These aren't the hide-in-the-hills leftists of
yesteryear, ready to take up arms against the oppressor.

And that has made for some intriguing twists on the old political labels.

Leftist, Populist, Socialist, Nationalist - these can be fighting words,
especially when the U.S. defense secretary joins in the rhetorical battle.

Chavez's quick response: "The imperialist, mass murdering, fascist attitude
of the president of the United States doesn't have limits. I think Hitler
could be a nursery baby next to George W. Bush."

"I don't see how we can be opposed to that if it helps stabilize democratic
systems," said Riordan Roett, director of Western Hemisphere studies at
Johns Hopkins University.

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TOPIC: LA TUMBA OLVIDADA
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2e9ac144eb560f43
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 26 2006 12:05 am
From: "PM"

LA TUMBA OLVIDADA

Desde la asunción del gobierno vigente, la motivación central de su política
ha sido la exaltación de los DERECHOS HUMANOS. Loable propósito que
comparto. Se dispuso, a esos efectos, informes de los Comandos de las tres
Fuerzas, en procura de la localización de sepulturas, en predios militares,
de terroristas muertos en esas dependencias, durante el estado de guerra
interna que se vivía.

Informes secretos, que pocos días después de producidos se transcribieran
textualmente en la prensa, además de ser mofa y desconsideración a los
Comandos que los produjeron, llevaron a la localización de enterramientos de
restos humanos. Ello ha motivado un inusitado despliegue publicitario que ya
ha sobresaturado el interés de la opinión pública, aunque aparentemente ha
robustecido la posición de este gobierno marxista.

Es paradójico que quienes violaron sistemáticamente los Derechos Humanos,
mediante secuestros extorsivos, asesinatos, robos, asonadas, atentados, etc.
como método terrorista empleado cuando se levantaron en armas contra un
gobierno democrático, legalmente constituido, tengan por estandarte esa
argumentación.

Es paradójico -pero además parcial- porque se aplica exclusivamente al
sector militar que, en cumplimiento de la situación de guerra interna
declarada por los órganos competentes del Estado, los combatiera y los
venciera, dando pie a fundadas sospechas de venganza y revanchismo. Estas
fundadas sospechas, que empañan los buenos propósitos del gobierno, se
disiparían si, haciendo una revisión total del pasado, se investigara y se
sometiera a la justicia a los sediciosos que, habiendo participado en hechos
de sangre aún no aclarados, no han sido procesados por esos delitos.

También tendría gran significación por la similitud con los enterramientos
recientemente descubiertos aplicar los mismos conceptos y parecido
despliegue publicitario por el enterramiento clandestino de RAMÓN PASCASIO
BAEZ MENA, ocurrido en diciembre de 1971 y descubierto meses después sin la
espectacularidad periodística ni la explotación política del presente.

RAMÓN PASCASIO BAEZ MENA fue asesinado por el terrorista Doctor ISMAEL
BASSINI CAMPIGLIA, MEDIANTE APLICACIÓN INTENCIONAL DE UNA SOBREDOSIS DE
PENTOTAL, previo traicionero engaño y enterrado en el lugar, con complicidad
de varios.

Era un peón rural totalmente ajeno a la lucha que se libraba que, buscando
un caballo, encontró accidentalmente "la tatucera Caraguatá" en la estancia
Spartaco, en la zona de Pan de Azúcar, propiedad de la familia Sclavo. Fue
esa localización involuntaria de este peón rural lo que determinó que se le
asesinara para evitar que comentara su hallazgo, aunque no fuera enemigo en
la lucha que se libraba.

Ese era el respeto a los DERECHOS HUMANOS que tenían los subversivos
terroristas, ahora jueces impolutos que lo mataran y enterraran
clandestinamente.

Esa era la ética médica del terrorista que, aplicando sus conocimientos,
mató intencionalmente a un inocente.

Estos antecedentes, extraídos de documentos oficiales de la época, procuran
ayudar al Gobierno en su loable propósito de defender los DERECHOS HUMANOS
en toda su amplitud y disipar las sospechas de venganza y revanchismo.

Gral. Iván S. Paulós

FLASHESCulturales evoca, desagravia y tributa homenaje
a la memoria de las

VÍCTIMAS INOCENTES -y HOY OLVIDADAS-
DE LA GUERRILLA CRIMINAL

Si todavía hoy no somos otra Cuba es gracias a quienes arriesgaron y
entregaron sus vidas en la lucha contra la guerrilla criminal que intentó
imponernos por la fuerza un modelo de país diametralmente opuesto al que la
mayoría siempre ha deseado. Ese modelo totalitario, radicalmente contrario a
la democracia auténtica, merece ser rechazado tanto cuando se le pretende
imponer a través de la violencia guerrillera como cuando se intenta una vía
incruenta, pacífica y gradual.
Nuestra repulsa al marxismo-leninismo no solo está motivada en la
metodología violenta que utiliza, sino también en su doctrina antinatural e
injusta y en la perversa finalidad perseguida.

Por la MEMORIA TOTAL y la VERDAD COMPLETA

NO a la amnesia deliberadamente parcial y tramposamente hemipléjica para
ocultar las brutalidades de la guerrilla sanguinaria que aterrorizó a la
población.

Recordamos con emoción a los civiles, policías y militares que cayeron
asesinados por la guerrilla criminal. A cada uno de ellos nuestro
reconocimiento, nuestra gratitud y nuestro homenaje.-

Prof. Alexander TORRES MEGA - Dir. Resp. de FLASHES Culturales

Pese a que, en las últimas elecciones nacionales, la mitad de la población
resistió las maniobras propagandísticas del marxismo y rechazó a la
izquierda en las urnas, hoy tenemos instalado en Uruguay un gobierno que
procura consolidarse para ir haciendo, progresivamente, más nítido su signo
socialista, autoritario y procastrista.
La oscuridad de la noche está cayendo sobre nuestro país.
Es previsible que pronto sea mucho más espesa.
Debemos contribuir a que un nuevo amanecer llegue cuanto antes.
Para ello, hay que influir en la "opinión pública" y actuar, -siempre
respetando el marco jurídico vigente- para encauzar a los sectores sanos de
la población por la senda de la
R E S I S T E N C I A

AÑO 2006, ALERTA Y RESISTENCIA: DOCUMENTAR y DENUNCIAR

--
THE MOST DANGEROUS ENNEMY OF HUMANITY :

ARE NOT THE NUCLEAR OR MASS DESTRUCTION WEAPONS,

BUT STUPIDITY, FOR WHICH EVERY MINUTE... MANY HUMANS GET HURT.

¿SE LIBERARAN ALGUN DIA DELA ESTUPIDEZ?

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TOPIC: Top Russian Communist says U.S. denying using Bird Flu as Biological
Weapon
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 9:24 pm
From: "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj"

captain. wrote:
> "Yankee-Doo-Doole-Do" <sir_brian_waldman@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1143290444.856630.165010@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
>>Top Russian Communist Blames U.S. of Using Bird Flu as
>>Biological Weapon
>>http://www.mosnews.com/news/2006/03/15/zyuganovbirdflu.shtml
>>
>>So far there are no cases of Bird Flu in the USA.
>>
>
> well as far as bilogical weapons go, this one would be a dud.
>
A bilogical weapon sounds like something wielded by MTRP. :) :-D :-p
And is that dud a milkdud from your cable guy?

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TOPIC: hindutva terrorism, spamming addresses all over usenet!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/11e502dfbc177311
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 6:21 pm
From: Hunter01

Dr. Homilete wrote:
> Marcus Aurelius wrote:
>
>> Hunter01 wrote:
>>
>>> Neil Boss wrote:
>>>
>>>> Where are you Hunter01?
>>>
>>> Where are you nelly??? 8]
>>>
>>> The cowardice of the Indian hindutva, at least us Aussies have the balls
>>> to use our real email addresses, you hindutva obviously never got given
>>> a dick by Darwin. Good thing the REAL Indians out there evolved like the
>>> rest of us. The only thing I don't like about them is they sent you over
>>> here. Ok, they're smart, they got rid of you, but where is the morals in
>>> passing on a problem?
>>
>> What makes genocidal aussie culture "evolved", hooter01?
>> Like a chimpanzee, you keep believing in your own dreamed up version of
>> reality.
>> Tsk, tsk.
>>
>> Adi Anant
>
> If the Aussies hadn't evolved, Suneel Shethi wouldn't be living in
> Australia

He's a hindutva parasite, he'd draw blood from anyone he could, just the
same as jai and harm, who are the other two hindutva maggots that hate
India so much they refuse to live there... Pathetic how they don't seem
to grasp that their actions tell the story to all of us.

The jury's out on mucous, he's not really told us where he lives, I
wonder if he has the balls to do so???

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TOPIC: Hindutva terrorists have murdered 10's of thousands in India, 55,000
Sikhs alone!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 1:02 am
From: Hunter01

Neil Boss wrote:
> And you are trying to prove what? That theories are facts is that what it is
> !!!! You have nothing worthwhile to say let alone be honest for once you
> have been caught out so many times people do not believe you.

And you are trying to prove what? That hindutva nazi lies are facts? You
have nothing worthwhile to say and have been caught out with your lies
so often that people just ignore you for the joke you are! 8]

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TOPIC: India - Land of Government Corruption and persecution of thosewhotell
the truth
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/0125260cfa30f8c7
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 6:29 pm
From: Hunter01

Neil Boss wrote:

Extracts from THE WALL STREET JOURNAL ARTICLE

by Scott Newman

NEW DELHI--A news team that nearly bought down India's government last
year with an explosive expose' of corruption in politics is now itself
on the verge of collapse-a victim, some media watchdogs and journalists
say, of a new eagerness of Indian authorities to stifle critical journalism.

In March last year, the Indian news Web site Tehelka.com blew the lid
off of corruption at the very top levels of government in India with
hidden camera sting operation. The Web site's journalists posed as arms
dealers who were ready to pay for help in securing military contracts.
Numerous senior army officers, top politicians and government
bureaucrats were caught on tape either accepting bribes or

discussing the details of payment.

Amid the public outrage that ensued, senior members of the government of
Prime Minister Atal Biharj Vajpayee and its coalition parties resigned.
Among them: Defense Minister George Fernandes and the chief of Mr.
Fernandes' Samata Paraty, Jaya Jaitley.

But a lot has changed in a year: Mr Fernandes has his old job back, and
Ms Jaitley remains a senior leader of the Samata Party. Meanwhile, two
of Tehlka's journalists have been arrested, and police and other
authorities have raided its offices and those of its financial backers
several times. The first raid, by income-tax agents, came 10 days after
Tehelka released its story.

One of the Tehelka journalists, who is still being held, has been
charged with illegal poaching of animals. Tehlka denies the charges and
says the reporter was working on an investigative report into the
illegal trade in animal skins..........

Tehelka's editor, Tarun Tejpal, characterizes the actions taken against
his group and its backers as "a massive vendetta campaign" that has hit
them hard financially. He says the Web site's staff has shrunk to about
20 people from 120. "Of those [who] are left, not one has been paid a
salary in six month." he says.

No doubt, the bursting of the Internet bubble may have contributed to
Tehelka's financial troubles, but many fellow journalists see more to it
than that.

"It's gotten to the stage where no journalist in this country can sit
back and allow them to do what they're doing To Tehelka," says Vir
Sanghvi, editor of the leading English-language daily, the Hindustan
times. "The level of persecution is phenomenal."

This major scandal in India and now the persecution of investigative
journalists should be a red flag for us all. When is SSB going to clean
up his own backyard? Has not SSB left a leagacy of many broken promises?
Isn't it pass time to realize our delusion?

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TOPIC: Indian Hindu nazi caught out on his lies yet again
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 1:35 am
From: Hunter01

Neil Boss wrote:
> Just an extract below there are two articles about the government in
> Australia wanting to have China mine uranium in Australia. Hunter did say I
> was lying, the government is look at ways to allow chinses ownership of a
> mine in Australia, just wait for this to happen.

You said Australia had offered a uranium mine to China, you were proven
to be a lying cunt.

Your mate claimed we had already sold a heap of uranium to China, that
was also proven to be a load of shit.

And you proved your abject stupidity by babbling on as if Aurukun was a
uranium mine, which it most definitely isn't.

You hindutva nazis don't have an honest bone between you, pathetic scumbags.

> ALEXANDER DOWNER: Well, if China, if Labor changed its policy, if we had a
> nuclear safeguards agreement, and if the Foreign Investment Review Board
> approved the investment, then they could do it, but there are - to use a
> Chinese-style expression - the three ifs.

That's hardly offering anything to anyone nelly. Yet again we are shown
the dishonest ways of the Hindu nazi. It isn't the Muslim or Christian
terrorists the world should be afraid of, it's the Hindu terrorists.
Hopefully the sane Hindus of this world will rise up and wipe you out.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 1:36 am
From: Hunter01

Neil Boss wrote:
> Cunt

Yawn..... I don't really care what your mother gives you on your birthday.

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TOPIC: nelly boss, hindutva lying sack of shit
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/1e8d41633c73eca5
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 1:39 am
From: Hunter01

Neil Boss wrote:
> Hunter01 <hunter01@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
> news:4421e166$1$4648$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>> Neil Boss wrote:
>>> Again hunter is caught out lying ...
>>
>> Yawnnnnn..... No nelly, again you're caught out being an illiterate
>> neanderthal. No wonder your call centre industry is fighting a losing
>> battle and everyone is either moving back onshore or outsourcing to
>> Malaysia instead. They can at least speak fluent English.
>
> Opps slight slip Cunt

Yawnnnn.... I really don't care what you slip into what part of your
mother nelly....

> As the foreigh minister said ...
>
> ALEXANDER DOWNER: Well, if China, if Labor changed its policy, if we had a
> nuclear safeguards agreement, and if the Foreign Investment Review Board
> approved the investment, then they could do it, but there are - to use a
> Chinese-style expression - the three ifs.

And where exactly does it say that we've offered them a Uranium mine???
It doesn't you lying sack of shit. Where does it say we have already
sold Uranium to China??? It doesn't you lying sack of shit. And where
does it say Aurukun is a Uranium mine? It doesn't you lying sack of shit.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 1:41 am
From: Hunter01

Neil Boss wrote:
> But they are planning to sell the mines too to China!

Load of shit, typical hindutva lying tactics, all they've said is that
it could be possible in the future, no offer of anything despite your
lies. Now lets talk about the fact that India indeed has taken the role
of paedophile capital of the world, at least that way we're talking
about reality.

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TOPIC: nelly kashmiri dog to India and Australia
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 8:27 pm
From: Hunter01

Neil Boss wrote:
> Idiot most people know in here that my grand parents left for Africa hence i
> talk of my experiences in Africa too.
> You could ask me to clarify things I am happy to BUT you can't do that can
> you?

Go ahead and clarify things. So you're now saying that you were not born
in India at all? Your grandparents fled India before you were born?

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TOPIC: India, the cult of evil known as the hindutva
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/cad8f898e8679854
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 1:05 am
From: Hunter01

Neil Boss wrote:
> Interesting as it is .. just swap the word Muslim for Christian European and
> American for Native and go back 500 odd years, thats how the natives felt
> too. The two evils of this world are Islam and Christianity.

And evil incarnate is the hindutva movement. An entire nation of natives
in chains under the draconian caste system, and whilst most of the world
has grown up, India still has it's natives chained under the caste
system today!!!!!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 8:06 pm
From: Hunter01

Neil Boss wrote:
> Hunter01 what happened you are not crying about what this man has said !!!

I don't bother with most of what your Hindu nazi brothers of the
hindutva movement say either, and you're a much greater danger... You're
just not worth the effort.

> Hunter01 loves to defend his Islamic brothers and sisters and is an
> Australian.

I'll happily defend anyone that is a good person, and that's the
majority of Muslims who really just want to get on with their lives, the
majority of Christians, the majority of atheists, and even the majority
of Hindus despite shitbag hindutva like yourself giving India and Hindus
a bad name.

> He also loves to see his country sell uranium to China.

Liar, I'd prefer we don't sell it at all to be honest, keep it for when
we become intelligent enough to ignore the greenleft prats and start
generating all our power with nuclear power instead of burning fossil
fuels. But if we are going to sell it, the worst possible destination is
the subcontinent, where the children are always on the verge of blowing
each other up, even though they're the same people of Greater India,
just too immature to get over their religious differences.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 8:26 pm
From: Hunter01

Neil Boss wrote:
> As I recall the Muslims burnt a train full of Hindus stined it will it was
> burning to prevent women and children leaving the train while they saw them
> burn. However you say nothing about that do you?

I have many times in fact. On many occasions I've pointed out your lies,
and proven that your very own government hired forensic experts that
proved the fire was started from INSIDE the train, obviously by a
hindutva suicide burner. You are the one that never has anything to say
about that, because it destroys your little fairy tale about why you
hindutva raped, tortured and murdered thousands of Muslim women and
children. Even if Muslim militants had been responsible for the fire,
then that does not excuse what the Hindu militants did. And as it turns
out it was the Hindu militants themselves that set the fire, as they
were the ones on the train.

> Rape and murder by Muslims
> has been going on for 1,000 plus years in India.

Not to mention rape and murder by Hindus. Place really needs to grow up.

> For the rape of a dozen young women in Australia and 9/11 how have you
> treated Muslims?

We put the criminals in jail as they deserved, but we didn't turn into
apes and run around raping and murdering every Muslim we could find,
that is solely the domain of the hindutva terrorist, not the sort of
thing civilised humans do.

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TOPIC: India, hampered by too much red tape and bureaucratic inefficiency
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 25 2006 1:29 am
From: Hunter01

Neil Boss wrote:
> The Australian government does not want to sign a free trade deal with India
> because much of India's exports are in the services industry, consultancy
> services in the Information and Telecommunications.

Liar, here's the truth of the matter, the country you fled from is too
bogged down with bullshit and red tape:

"Australia and India will sign a number of bilateral pacts but the Prime
Minister yesterday played down prospects of negotiating a free trade
deal with a country whose economy remains hampered by too much red tape
and bureaucratic inefficiency. "

> Indian companies are being denied entry into the outsouring of government IT
> where as American companies are not.

If the dishonesty and inefficiency of the call centres in the country
you fled (India) is anything to go by, we don't fucking want or need
your companies.

Indian call centre staff nicked for fraud

Three workers from an Indian call centre have been arrested for
defrauding US bank customers.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04/11/india_callcentre_fraud_arrests/

The great productivity MYTH of Call Centers in India

The non-existent Customer Service Culture in India will make training of
reps mandatory and difficult, since such a luxury as service is not part
of everyday life in India.

http://callcentres.com.au/India_Call_Centres.htm

Indian call centres pose security risk

Criminals are believed to be trying to bribe Indian call centre workers
to get access to customer credit card details. Call centre workers have
been offered up to a year's wages for credit card numbers, according to
the Evening Standard.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/05/indian_call_centres_pose_security/

Indian call centre 'fraud' probe

In April, arrests were made over call centre fraud in western India
Police are investigating reports that the bank account details of 1,000
UK customers, held by Indian call centres, were sold to an undercover
reporter.
The Sun claims one of its journalists bought personal details including
passwords, addresses and passport data from a Delhi IT worker for £4.25
each.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4121934.stm

Probe into Indian call centre fraud claim

The Sun said the institutions targeted included many of Britain's top
banks such as HSBC, Barclays, and Lloyds TSB. It added the call centre
worker claimed he could provide 200,000 account details a month -
including those of US citizens.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/breaking/probe-into-indian-call-centre-fraud-claim/2005/06/24/1119321881500.html

UK Banks in hot water over Indian call centre leak

A spokesman for data protection watchdog the Information Commission said
it is a matter of "great concern" and warned that UK-based companies who
outsource their customer services to a call centre whether in the UK or
overseas remain legally liable for any security failings.

http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/security/soa/UK_Banks_in_hot_water_over_Indian_call_centre_leak/0,2000061744,39198837,00.htm

Abbey moves Indian call centre jobs back to UK

The decision has been taken by Spanish bank Santander, which bought
Abbey a year ago for £9.5billion.
It follows growing complaints from customers, which included language
problems.

http://www.s1jobs.com/newsandguides/2005-10-26-1.shtml

Indian call centre security breach: man admits guilt

According to Reuters, Karan Bahree, 24, from New Dehli, admitted his
guilt in a letter to his employers, web development company, Infinity
eSearch.

http://www.out-law.com/page-5846

American clients running away from call centers with heavy Indian accent

Is the heavy Indian accent prompting a major US outsourcing firm to
slash its India operations by 50 per cent and relocate to another Asian
country? The Tampa, Florida-based Sykes Enterprises denies the accent
bit, but confirms the "migration" (read layoff) plan for its Bangalore
call-centre facility that went on stream barely two-and-a-half years ago.

http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/1552.asp

Indian call centre story embarrasses British rail officials

Tony Hopkins, director of Billy Smart's Circus, has been narrating his
phone experience at every venue he stopped during a journey in Scotland,
evoking responses from people who have had none too pleasant experiences
with call centres in India.
According to Hopkins, the British Rail operator based in Mumbai had no
idea where Scotland was - in fact he had never heard of it, could not
spell it and, finally, thought it might be a station on the London
Underground.

http://www.newkerala.com/news2.php?action=fullnews&id=12391

Study documents exploitation in Indian call centres

Yet a recent study of working conditions in Indian outsourced call
centres has pointed to the high levels of labour exploitation in the
industryincluding constant surveillance, long hours, health problems
and burnouts.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/nov2005/indi-23n.shtml

Delta Air Lines to close one Indian call centre

US-based Delta Air Lines has announced that it is to close one of its
three call centres in India but refused to say if the moved was linked
to the results of a recent customer service survey.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0CWU/is_2004_July_29/ai_n6132026

Australia probing Indian call centre fraud

Sydney, Aug 16 (DPA) Australian police Tuesday said they were checking a
report that fraudsters were selling the personal details of thousands of
Australians held on the databases of call centres in India.
The claim was made in an investigative report on the Four Corners
programme of national broadcaster Australian Broadcasting Corp.
Justice Minister Chris Ellison said the federal police were
investigating the claim that there was a flourishing black market in
information held by Indian call centres.

http://www.eians.com/stories/2005/08/16/16jas.shtml

Gartner warns of offshore ID theft risk

A shortage of skilled labour for Indian call centres increases the risk
of fraud and identity theft, analyst firm Gartner warned in a newly
published study.

http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2142204/gartner-warns-indian-call

Quality declining, says survey

The quality of Indian call centre workers is said to be declining
rapidly as poorly qualified and trained staff is being deployed to meet
demand from Western companies, says the survey.
Even more strikingly, nine out of 10 customers of financial institutions
said they would consider changing companies if their organisation moved
calls offshore.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040112/login/main6.htm

Latest Report Blows Apart Call Centre Indian Myth

A company commissioned by the Government to research Indian call centre
services is about to publish a separate report that shows Indian call
centre workers fail to answer queries properly.
The results carried out by specialist research firm Contactbable and
reported in the FT this morning, show that UK firms answer 25% more
calls per hour than their counterparts in Bangalore and Delhi and
resolve 17% of those calls at the first attempt.

http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=114963

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