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* The final end of Ali Asker the pkk a$$ - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2a781502bced1f5f
* French Meltdown - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/53ee0ecedba2c6fd
* Defeating Jihad - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/1d04516116096e32
* what is a developing hindu? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f6e5c2ca9fc6e9aa
* "Yes, I know we have made tactical errors, thousands of them," - 1 messages,
1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/1fd619b8a15ae49c
* ALIANZA DEMOCRATICA INVITA AL TOWER THEATRE - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/4ade91f1da9b0d11
* Rising sea levels wont be a problem - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/335a114c39b21cca
* "PKK's 'mountain Kurds' declare independence" - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d059a8bd81fa642e
* Illegal Hispanic Immigration & rally in LA - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/965a78900803abba
* HOW TO REPORT ABUSE ON THE NET - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a6101ecc3228e05e
* Illegals: The Cure? Require 'Illegal Alien" Exclusion in Insurance Policies -
2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/50d9d24ad2faadf1
* Jai Maharaj posts http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6ecdcce8f5bdc3bf
* BUSH TEAM MEMBER CONFESSES! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/90e1bca75825f88c
* Planned Parenthood Abortion Centers Lure Teens With iPods, Movie Tickets - 1
messages, 1 author
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* Global Warming Now Irreversible. Capitalist Way of Life Responsible - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2660b5dca799b991
* Goodbye Europe - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/45e5b9700b1e9ac3
* Good for you, Iran - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c207418ded7475f5
* The Questions we must ask about policing in Ireland...[was Re: Gardai in
Ireland to reach 14,000! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a0cbb5c1a6d8d05b
* IRAN PLANS 'WAR GAMES' IN THE PERSIAN GULF........ - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/42726506b667902e
* Muslim cleric held over Varanasi blasts - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c7da75b260e7e841
* Illegals/Amnesty = Modern Day Slavery in the U.S. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5f29a1268a937658

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TOPIC: The final end of Ali Asker the pkk a$$
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2a781502bced1f5f
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 6:08 pm
From: "TrafalgarSquare" <520001085531-0001@t-online.de>

"Richard" wrote:
> Not by a long shot. There is no such thing as the final end in an
> infinite and abundant universe.

:-) I dont think so.

He misused the usenet for many years for his propaganda,
but finally a bright guy has fought him with the laws.
He should have learnt his lesson now, and the laws.

I think and hope that Scotland Yard has arrested him
and soon will see his judge in a court room.

The mass PKK propaganda he had flooded the newsgroups
is currently going to be removed from all major news servers.
At least http://groups.google.com seems to do so for many hours now.

Let's hope for a better climate in the newsgroups.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 6:22 pm
From: "TrafalgarSquare" <520001085531-0001@t-online.de>

Gördünüzmü beyler, bayanlar!
Senelerdir basa gelemediginiz yasadisi kisi/örgüt
bir kac hafta icinde yok oldu!
Iste medyada savaslar böyle kazanilirmis.
Tarihde yeni bir zafer elde ettik!

Yok yok,ellerimi öpmeye hic gerek yok... :-)

umu dan hepinize cok selamlar :-)
I love you all! :-)

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TOPIC: French Meltdown
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Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:03 am
From: "DoD"

"It's the revolution!" one of my good friends said when I phoned him from
the Paris airport yesterday morning.

Students around the country are continuing their "strike" to protest
proposed new legislation that would allow employers to fire young people
under the age of 26 during the first two years they are on the job.

In Aix-en-Provence, hundreds of young people trekked from their trendy
provencal campus to the main autoroute on the outskirts of town and shut
down traffic this morning.

On Tuesday, an estimated two million people took to the streets in dozens of
cities across France. The metro was down, the trains were down, schools were
closed - even air traffic was dicey once air traffic controllers joined the
strike.

But good news: restaurants and cafes were all open, since that's where any
respectable striking student or worker must go to spend his welfare euros
and discourse endlessly on the "revolution."

With the planned arrival yesterday of Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice in
Paris, the air traffic controllers had the good grace to return to work - at
least, for awhile, and at least at Charles de Gaulle airport. (Orly is still
touch and go, I am told).

Most Americans are probably shaking their heads in amused wonder. Of course
companies should be able to fire employees (unless you're the government, in
which case failure is almost always rewarded with a promotion, not a pink
slip).

Employment ebbs and flows with the market. When business is good, you hire.
When business is bad, you cut back. (And when health care costs go through
the roof, you file for bankrupcy).

But that's not the French way. Ever wonder why France continues to have 10
percent unemployment, despites billions of euros spent on a grab-bag of
youth employment initiatives, minority employment initiatives, professional
training programs and job incentive programs?

Among the young, unemployment runs well over 25 percent. And if you're a
young Muslim immigrant, it's close to 50 percent.

What gives?

Elementary, mon cher Albert. It's the benefits.

French companies don't hire - period - because they can't fire.

Welcome to the modern-day worker's paradise, with a 35-hour work week and
six weeks paid vacations - in 16th century chateaux, if you please. (Many of
those chateaux are owned and managed by the Communist Party-controlled labor
unions on behalf of their members).

Take comfort, Laura Bush! Bernadette Chirac's man, Jacques (the one who lied
to W. before the Iraq war, remember?), has become the least popular
president in the history of France.

Asked if they would vote for him should he stand for re-election next year
(as he has threatened to do), just one percent of those polls said yes. One
percent!

Even Leonid Brezhnev did better than that.

My favorite newspaper in France has long been Le Canard Enchainé, a wickedly
"satiric" weekly with the best investigative reporters in France and an
untranslatable name. ("Canard" - duck - is slang for newspaper. "Enchainé"
means bound by chains, but also "persistent.")

In this week's issue, they rip Prime Minister Dominique Galouzeau de
Villepin to shreds. In a hilarious review of his repeated claims in favor of
social "dialogue" (as in, "I will be audacious! and imaginative! in pursuing
social dialogue"), they conclude that he failed to consult anyone before
introducing his ill-fated reform.

Americans will remember de Villepin as the wound-up ballet dancer pretending
to be foreign minister, preening and strutting at the United Nations during
the debate over Saddam Hussein's weapons programs.

But you don't have to be American to hate de Villepin.

The center-Left daily Liberation boasted a full-page cartoon yesterday
morning of Chirac as puppet-master, with his precious Dominique turning to
slime in his hands and dripping through his fingers. The headline: "Melt
down."

Chirac biographer and confidant Franz-Olivier Giesbert, in a newly published
book, opens both barrels on the pompous de Villepin. "He is so egotistical
he doesn't realize that to his visitors he just appears like an
anachronism," Giesbert writes.

And Wednesday, stressed to the maximum, the French premier made a Freudian
slip during the question period in parliament that left his opponents in
stitches and his own party-members scratching their heads. The French
Supreme Court was scheduled to render its verdict on Thursday as to the
constitutionality of the new law. Villepin cautioned supporters and
opponents alike to "await the decision" of the court. But it came out "await
the resignation" of the court. Guess what's on his mind..

So what's it all about? The center-Right daily Le Parisien made a pop-survey
of a dozen young people, some who had joined the protests, others who hadn'
t. What they found was fear, more than anger: fear that society was leaving
them behind, fear that the horizon was closing in on them, that the
government "solutions" of subsidized temporary work would leave them
permanently without a career.

A widely-read student blog site is compiling a list of things "we don't want
to hear." [If you read French, go to www.jeneveuxplus.net.] They included:
"We don't want to hear economics professors who tell us that technical
degrees are worthless; that France is finished socially and economically.
Tell me that it's difficult but that we're going to make it."

"It's a depressing system," said 17-year-old Ilona. If you come from a
family "without money and without influence, you have four times fewer
opportunities to realize your dreams."

The Financial Times may have had the last word on the political future of de
Villepin, who had been primping himself to become Chirac's successor in next
year's presidential elections.

"Mr Villepin is not a tragic figure who is sacrificing his political career
for the greater good. He's simply a politician who has torpedoed one of the
greatest reforms of contemporary French politics," the august British daily
concluded.

Mr. Villepin's ill-conceived and poorly-executed reform was a first stab at
changing the logic of French society. But instead of bringing the people
along with him, he rammed the legislation down the throat of parliament in
an up-or-down no confidance vote, and stiffed every sector of France's
vibrant civil society for good measure.

The real issue is opportunity. France long ago ceased to be an opportunity
society and became an entitlement society.

There is no job growth because welfare state rules put so many restrictions
on employers that they refuse to hire. (In France, the penalty for "economic
firing" - called "downsizing" or "restructuring" in the United States - is a
cash indemnity equal to two year's salary.)

At the same time, young French men and women are not creating their own
businesses, because small businesses are subject to similar firing
restrictions. Add to that crippling social welfare taxes (well over 40
percent), and this makes the cost of creating new jobs and expanding growth
prohibitively high.

Governments on the Left and the Right have tried to mitigate these
structural deficiencies over the years by fiddling at the margins. What
France needs - and what no French politician has the guts to say out loud -
is to scrap the entire system and start over. They need politicians with the
vision and skills capable of triggering a national debate, not an
aristocratic fiat.

Failing that, France will become an elegant theme park for wealthy tourists,
where the biggest growth industry will be the police.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21864

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TOPIC: Defeating Jihad
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Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:00 am
From: "DoD"

Frontpage Interview's guest today is Serge Trifkovic, a former BBC
commentator and US NEWS and World Report reporter. His last book was The
Sword of the Prophet. The sequel, Defeating Jihad, will be published by
Regina Orthodox Press in April. Read his commentaries on
ChroniclesMagazine.org.

Glazov: Mr. Trifkovic, welcome to Frontpage Magazine.

Trifkovic: Thank you.

Glazov: Before we get to your book, let's talk about the Abdul Rahman case
for a moment. He has just been released and is now in Italy. What do you
think the key significance of this case is?

Trifkovic: This became a cause célèbre only because of the presence of
American troops in Afghanistan: having Rahman killed for apostasy under
their noses would have made too explicit a debacle of the already farcical
neocon phantasy known as "democratizing the greater Middle East."

No, when Christians are routinely mistreated and killed by our other trusted
friends and allies of the United States in the region - notably Pakistan,
Egypt, and even the "secular" Turkey - you don't hear about it, there are no
vigils, no protests, no offers of asylum. In Pakistan, murders, endemic
discrimination, and constant harassment of Christians - who are mainly poor
and account for a mere one percent of the population - is persistent. Any
dispute with a Muslim - most commonly over land - can become a religious
issue. Christians are routinely accused of "blasphemy against Islam," an
offense that carries the death penalty as Pakistan has some of the strictest
blasphemy laws in the Muslim world. Charges of blasphemy can be made on the
flimsiest of evidence - even one man's word against another - and since it
is invariably a Muslim's word against that of a Christian, the outcome is
preordained.

In Egypt, supposedly a friend of the United States and the second largest
recipient of the U.S. taxpayers' largesse, not a single murderer was
convicted following the January 2000 massacre of 21 Coptic Christians in the
village of Al-Kosheh, and smaller-scale massacres continue unabated.

The murder of a Catholic priest in Trabzon, on Turkey's Black Sea coast,
last February was a classic case of jihadism. Father Andrea Santoro was
shot twice at point-blank range in his church by a youth who shouted Allahu
akbar (Allah is great!) before quitting the scene.

This event should remind us that Turkey is a profoundly un-European country,
steeped in an ethos deeply hostile to Western ways. As late as 1955,
Istanbul's Christians suffered the worst race riot in Europe since
Kristallnacht. And just look at the phenomenal success last year of the
Valley of the Wolves, Iraq - the most expensive Turkish film ever made. It
opens with a real life event: in July 2003 U.S. Marines raided Turkish
Special Forces headquarters in the Iraqi city of Sulimaniyah, mistaking them
for guerrillas. Washington later apologized but the movie makes the incident
look like a deliberate American ploy. The subsequent fictional plot has
Americans attacking a mosque during evening prayers. They murder dozens of
innocents at a wedding (including a little boy), and allow a Jewish doctor
to remove vital organs from Abu Ghraib inmates, so that they can be sold in
New York - and Tel Aviv!

But back to your question. An excellent source is "The New Persecuted:
Inquiries into Anti-Christian Intolerance in the New Century of Martyrs" by
Antonio Socci. Socci provides evidence that in the past century some 50
million Christians have been killed primarily or exclusively for the reason
of their faith; an average of 160,000 Christians have been killed every year
since 1990, the vast majority by Muslims in the Third World: East Timor,
Sudan, Mauritania, Nigeria.. Socci laments the fact that "this global
persecution of Christianity is still in progress but in most cases is
ignored by the mass media and Christians in the West."

There are two parallel processes overlooked in the current Middle Eastern
crisis: the apparently terminal decline of the Christian remnant in the
Middle East after 14 centuries of precarious dhimmitude, and the remarkable
indifference of the post-Christian, latently Christophobic Western elite
class to its impending demise.

Under the British Mandate, Palestine officially was a Christian country,
with Bethlehem having a population that was 90 percent Christian. Today they
are literally disappearing. Among over three million Palestinians in the
West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem, under 50,000 Christians remain. By the
year 2020 there will be no living church in the land of Christ. Perhaps Mr.
Rahman's case should throw some light on that melancholy fact.

Glazov: Ok, let's move on to your book. You make the point that the
Islamist threat to the West is greater than ever. Can you explain? And this
means we are losing the terror war, no?

Trifkovic: Losing, absolutely, without a doubt. After Stalingrad Germany was
doomed, after Moscow Napoleon was finished, and after Gettysburg the
Confederacy could no longer hope to turn the tide. No such turning point has
been reached in the misnamed Global War on Terrorism (GWOT). We need a
comprehensive strategy of defense not merely against a small jihadist elite
but against an inherently aggressive, demographically vibrant, and
ideologically rigid Islamic movement - and please, no more "Islamist" red
herrings! - a movement that has global proportions and world-historical
significance. As an ideology and a blueprint for radical political action,
it is a phenomenon that cannot be compared in dynamism, energy, and
potential consequences with any other creed or idea in today's world. It
demands a sustained, bold response that has failed to materialize so far. We
are losing the war because our elite class does not allow the enemy to be
defined. The squeamishness of European and American bien-pensants alike in
naming the enemy is but one sign of a shared malaise that hampers a coherent
effort.

Bin Laden's network may have been damaged and disrupted since 2001 and his
cause may in many places be in the hands of self-starters and amateurs, but
he could never have dreamed that the world, almost five years after 9-11,
would look so favorable to his objectives. A new strategy is needed to make
it less so. It can never be "won" in the sense of eliminating the phenomenon
of terrorism altogether, but it can be successfully pursued to the point
where the Western world can be made significantly safer by adopting
measures - predominantly defensive measures - that would reduce the danger
to as near zero as possible. The victory will come not by conquering Mecca
for America, but by disengaging America from Mecca (energy independence is a
must!) and by excluding Mecca from America with a new immigration policy,
soberly defined and rigorously enforced. The risk can, and must, be managed
wisely, resolutely, and permanently.

Glazov: You show that there is simply no other way around it: Muslim
immigration and a Muslim presence in a country is directly connected to that
country being the target of terror. Can you talk about this a bit? And what
is the solution?

Trifkovic: "If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the
results of a hundred battles," says Sun Tzu. Once we get to know the
jihadist enemy, his core beliefs, his role models, his track-record, his
mindset, his modus operandi, and his intentions, we'll also know his
weaknesses, which are many, above all his inability to develop a prosperous
economy, or a functional family, or a harmonious society. But the main
problem is with those among us who have the power to make policy and shape
opinions, and who will reject our diagnosis. Having absorbed postmodernist
assumptions, certain only of uncertainty, devoid of any serious faith except
that in their own infallibility, members of our own elite class treat the
jihadist mindset as a pathology that can and should be treated by treating
causes external to Islam itself.

The result is a plethora of proposed "cures" that are as likely to succeed
in making us safe from terrorism as snake oil is likely to cure leukemia.
Abroad, we are told, we need to address political and economic grievances of
the impoverished masses, we need to spread democracy and free markets in the
Muslim world, we need to invest more in public diplomacy. At home we need
more tolerance, greater inclusiveness, less profiling, and a more determined
outreach to the minorities that feel marginalized and threatened by the war
on terror. The predictable failure of such cures leads to ever more
pathological self-scrutiny and morbid self-doubt. This vicious circle is
untenable and must be broken.

Let me start with the emotionally charged issue of constitutional rights
versus national security. Last December the controversy on phone tapping was
presented by the mass media to the nation through the inflammatory headline,
"Bush authorized spying on Americans." The unwillingness of the mainstream
media to disclose the exact identity of the NSA eavesdropping subjects was
reminiscent of its refusal to disclose the religious identity of tens of
thousands of rioters who wreaked havoc in dozens of French suburbs last
November. In both cases the mainstream media were guilty of misconstruing
reality for reasons rooted in their ideological prejudices and political
preferences.

Within America, glossing over the surveillance targets' identity has two
objectives. First of all, it presented President Bush as an out-of-control
autocrat-in-the-making whose hoods may be eavesdropping on any one of us at
any time. Secondly, it also implied that a Muslim who has become a
naturalized American citizen is so thoroughly and irrevocably "American,"
that no hyphenated designation or qualifier is called for.

Abroad, concealing the rioters' identity fits in with the liberal world view
that reject the notion that importing Muslim immigrants may be in any way
disadvantageous for the host country. Having reduced religion, politics and
art to "narratives" and "metaphors" which merely reflect prejudices based on
the distribution of power, the elite class saw the rioters' shout of "Allahu
akbar!" as a mere idiosyncrasy that would be cured if the French state gave
those "youths" more jobs, more dark-skinned TV anchors, and, of course, lots
of "affirmative action" in employment and education.

The legal and constitutional dilemma, such as whether it should spy on
"Americans" at home or not and whether a court warrant is needed or not, is
worthy of debate in principle. It is both false and unnecessary under the
circumstances. Radical solutions are needed for radical challenges, and they
do exist. If and when all persons engaged in Islamic activism are excluded
from America, there will be no need for such intrusive domestic
surveillance. We don't need any legislation to protect CAIR's clients'
privacy, we need the law that will treat any naturalized citizen's or
resident alien's known or suspected adherence to an Islamic world outlook as
excludable - on political, rather than "religious" grounds.

All Americans - real Americans, that is, and not those who falsely take the
oath of citizenship but continue to preach jihad and Sharia - will be spared
the worry about Mr. Bush listening in to their phone conversations if
Islamic activism is treated as grounds for the loss of acquired U.S.
citizenship and deportation. The citizenship of any naturalized American who
preaches jihad, inequality of "infidels" and women, the establishment of the
Shari'a law etc., should be revoked, and that person promptly deported to
the country of origin.

A foreigner who becomes naturalized has to declare, on oath, "that I
absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to
any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have
heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the
Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies,
foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the
same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by
law. and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation
or purpose of evasion; so help me God." But for a Muslim to declare all of
the above in good faith, and especially that he accepts the US Constitution
as the source of his highest loyalty, is an act of apostasy par excellence,
punishable by death under the Islamic law. The sharia, to a Muslim, is not
an addition to the "secular" legal code with which it coexists with "the
Constitution and laws of the United States of America"; it is the only true
code, the only basis of obligation. To be legitimate, all political power
therefore must rest exclusively with those who enjoy Allah's authority on
the basis of his revealed will. America is illegitimate.

So how can a self-avowedly devout Muslim take the oath, and expect the rest
of us to believe that it was done in good faith? Because he is practicing
taqiyya, the art of dissimulation that was inaugurated by Muhammad to help
destabilize and undermine non-Muslim communities almost ripe for a touch of
Jihad. Or else because he is not devout enough and confused, but in that
case there is the ever-present danger that at some point he will rediscover
his roots, with many predictably unpleasant consequences for the rest of us.

Let me add that the aversion to "profiling" is a symptom, minor but telling,
of the elite class pathology. Law-enforcers in other parts of the world pay
no heed to the dictates of "sensitivity" and anti-discriminationism. Arabs
profile other Arabs, Indians profile Pakistanis, Japanese profile Chinese,
and everyone profiles Africans. Israel profiles everyone entering and
exiting all the time, and makes no qualms about it. One percent of Muslims
living in the United States were responsible for over 90 percent of
terrorist offences and serious threats in the country since 9-11. A young
Muslim man is literally millions of times more likely to carry out a
terrorist attack in the United States than an Episcopalian, Roman Catholic,
or Orthodox Christian, a Jew, a Hindu, or a Buddhist. Or for that matter a
Lebanese Christian. Membership of a group is a valid pointer in assuming and
judging unobserved behavioral characteristics of an individual, especially
in the absence of specific information about that individual's background.
To suggest otherwise is neither moral nor sane.

And finally, a person's Islamic faith and outlook is incompatible with the
requirements of personal commitment, patriotic loyalty and unquestionable
reliability that are essential in the military, law enforcement,
intelligence services, and other related branches of government. For as long
as practicing Muslims are able to get security clearances, terrorist
organizations will continue trying to insinuate their supporters into the
hiring pools of American security agencies. Any presence of practicing
Muslims in any such institution presents an inherent risk to its integrity
and undermines its morale.

New immigration legislation is badly needed. Islamic activism should be
treated as the grounds for the exclusion or deportation of any alien,
regardless of his status or ties in the United States. Useful precedents
exist. Keeping out and facilitating the expulsion of politically undesirable
foreigners has been at the heart of this country's immigration legislation
since 1903 when Congress barred the admission of anarchists in response to
President McKinley's assassination. "Ideological" grounds for deportation
were on the statute books until 1990, when they were unwisely repealed by
Congress. After the Russian revolution foreign communists were singled out
for deportation. One night alone in January of 1920, more than 2,500 "alien
radicals" were seized in thirty-three cities across the country and deported
to their countries of origin. Those who preach Jihad and Sharia can and
should be treated in exactly the same manner.

Glazov: Give us a little more of your blueprint for victory.

Trifkovic: It is essential, let me repeat, to define and understand the
enemy. Are Muslim terrorists - the only variety that seriously threatens the
United States and the Western world - true or false to the tenets of their
faith? The answer has to be based on Islam's history and dogma, not on any a
priori judgment by those who presume to know the answer or, worse still,
have ulterior motives for lying about Islam - e.g. Western converts to Islam
who conceal their new names and their true loyalties. That straightjacket
has to be discarded, and the public educated about the sacred texts of
Islam, its record of interaction with other societies, and the personality
of its founder, Muhammad. Such education will open the way to understanding
the motives, ambitions and methods of terrorists. We need to know if
terrorism is an aberration of Islam's alleged peace and tolerance, or a
predictable consequence of the ideology of Jihad.

The second task is to survey the defenses. Both in America and in Europe the
elite class deems such questions about the nature of Islam - illegitimate.
On both sides of the ocean there also exists an elite consensus that de
facto open immigration, multiculturalism, and the existence of a large
Muslim diaspora within the Western world are to be treated as a fixed given
and should not be scrutinized in any anti-terrorist debate. That imposed
elite consensus, in my view, is morbid, ideological in nature, flawed in
logic, dogmatic in application, and disastrous in results. It needs to be
tested against evidence, not against the alleged norms of acceptable public
discourse imposed by those who either do not know Islam, or else do not want
us to know the truth about it.

An effective defense against terrorism demands a re-think of our foreign and
military policies. Would American soldiers make America safer by patrolling
the border with Mexico rather than the streets of Falluja? What are the
costs and benefits of supporting the jihadist side in the Caucasus and the
Balkans? Even more important is the issue of grand strategy. Pursuing the
path of "benevolent global hegemony" is certain to take America the same way
as Athens after Pericles and the USSR after Brzhnev. Above all, operational
effectiveness must no longer be confused with strategy itself.

Last but by no means least, the impact of ongoing Muslim migratory influx
onto the developed world, and the consequences of the existence of a
multi-million Muslim diaspora in Western Europe and North America, are
inseparable from the coherent long-term defense strategy. That strategy must
entail denying actual and potential terrorists the foothold inside the Dar
al-Harb! Controlling the borders is only the first step. The application of
clearly defined criteria related to terrorism in deciding who will be
admitted into the country, and in determining who should be allowed to stay
from among those who are already here, is essential. Carefully evaluating
the ideological profile of all prospective visitors to America, and
systematically re-examining the behavior of all resident aliens and checking
the bona-fides of naturalized citizens, is an essential ingredient of a
serious anti-terrorist strategy. To that end, Islamic activism needs to be
treated as an excludable, eminently political, rather than "religious"
activity.

The victory in the war on terrorism ultimately has to be won in the domain
of morals and culture. It can be won only by an America - and Britain, and
France, and Italy. - that has regained its awareness of its moral,
spiritual, and civilizational roots. If that happens, the renewed impulse to
defend those lands and to procreate will come, too. While the likelihood of
such belated recovery remains in doubt, it it is not impossible. Miracles do
happen, and therefore they will happen.

Glazov: Many Muslims I talk to often tell me that their Prophet was a man of
"peace." As you demonstrate once again in your new book, he so clearly was
not. Tell us briefly how he wasn't. And do the Muslims that I speak with not
read the Koran? Or do they have a different concept of "peace"?

Trifkovic: Those Muslims you talk to seem to have adopted the dialectical
forma mentis of Stalin's apologists who'd have told you that his winter war
against Finland was "defensive" and the Gulag was justified, or exaggerated,
or both. Yes, the problem is that Muhammad remains, to all true Muslims, the
inviolable paragon of goodness, and imitatio Muhammadi is reflected in the
prevalence of his name throughout the Muslim world. Understanding him is the
key to the Muslim world outlook.

The truth is grim, and for that reason the entire debate about those Danish
cartoons last winter was flawed. The real problem is this: a figure as
disturbing as the founder of Islam should not be gently made fun of - the
cartoons were quite innocuous - at least not until his remarkable career has
been given a vigorous public treatment in the Western world. The trouble
with those cartoons was not that they offended fervent Muslims - that sort
are offended by our very existence - but that by their placid humor they
humanized a man with a hugely problematic legacy, and thereby offended the
memory of untold millions of victims of Jihad through the ages.

Ahmed Akkari, spokesman of the Muslim organizations in Denmark, said that
Muslims all over the world want the "truth" about their prophet known to the
rest of the world. OK, fine: let us look at Muhammad as "he really was in
history," relying solely on orthodox Islamic sources, the Kuran and the
hadith. Those sources provide an account of uncertain historical accuracy,
but that account is regarded as true by all true Muslims and it provides the
scriptural basis for the Muslim faith and the Islamic law. It tells us that
he violated the sacred pagan month of Rajab, when no Arab was permitted to
raise arms in battle by staging pirate raids on caravans from Mecca. In 624,
at Badr, he killed forty Meccans in battle and executed prisoners, with
Allah's approval: "instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite
ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them." (8:12) After
Badr, to quote Ayatollah Khomeini, "Islam grew with blood."

Muhammad used the prospect of booty and ransom to recruit followers. This
motive was so important that it merited a whole sura in the Kuran; but one
fifth of everything was Muhammad's! Once the loot was divided it was time to
relax: "Now enjoy what ye have won. as lawful and good." As for the fallen,
a tangible, X-rated paradise filled with virgins "untouched by man" and
"fresh" pre-pubescent boys awaited the "martyrs" immediately. The simple
preacher eventually morphed into a vengeful warlord, who jubilantly
exclaimed that the spectacle of severed enemy heads pleased him better than
"the choicest camel in Arabia." Killing prisoners was divinely condoned by
Allah. (8:68) Fresh revelations described the unbelievers as "the worst
animals" (8:55) and "the vilest of creatures" (98:6) undeserving of mercy.
The enemies' heads were to be cut off. (47:4) Killing, enslaving and robbing
them was divinely sanctioned and mandated.

When Muhammad returned from Badr to Medina in triumph, he proceeded to
settle scores with his detractors - and resorted to murder. He killed Abu
Afak, an elderly Jew who dared question Muhammad's methods, and Asma bint
Marwan, a poetess who had mocked him in verse, followed by another poet, Kab
Ashraf. They were guilty of verbal insults, providing the Islamic view of
the freedom of speech that is valid to this day.

Muhammad next told his followers to "kill any Jew you can lay your hands
on." When six of his henchmen murdered an elderly Jew by the name of Abu
Rafi in his sleep, they argued whose weapon had actually ended the victim's
life. The prophet decided that the owner of the sword that still had traces
of food on it was entitled to the credit: Abu Rafi had just eaten his dinner
before falling asleep, and the fatal slash went through his stomach. The
"Prophet's" attack against the Jewish tribe of Banu-'l-Mustaliq came next.
His followers kidnapped 500 of their women, and the night after the battle
they staged an orgy of rape. His pogroms culminated in the attack the last
Jewish tribe in Medina, Banu Qurayzah. Up to 900 men were decapitated in a
ditch, in front of their women and children. Allah praised Muhammad for the
way "he struck terror into their hearts." (33:25) The women were
subsequently raped. Muhammad chose as his concubine one Raihana Bint Amr,
whose father and husband were both slaughtered before her eyes only hours
earlier.

Allah's messages concerning "the infidel" subsequently grew ever harsher:
"Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire." (69:30-37) They "will
be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut
off." (5:33-34) In this world, for the captured infidel "We have prepared
chains, yokes and a blazing fire." (76:4) In the hereafter things get even
worse: "garments of fire will be cut out for them, boiling fluid will be
poured down their heads. Whereby that which is in their bellies, and their
skins too, will be melted. And for them are hooked rods of iron." (22:19-22)
One single Kuranic verse, "the Verse of the Sword," (9:5) Islamic scholars
agree, abrogates 124 earlier verses - the ones that are quoted most
regularly by Islam's apologists to prove its tolerance and benevolence.

Muhammad's progression from a marginalized outsider to a master of life and
death produced a transformation of his personality in the decade preceding
his death in 633 AD. Allah was invoked as the authority supporting the
prophet's daily political objectives and his personal needs. Nowhere was
this more obvious than when it came to his exaggerated sensuality. He came
up with a Kuranic verse approving his nightly trysts with an Egyptian slave
girl and admonishing his jealous wives for their objections to the practice.
(66:1-3) Allah's revelation also enabled Muhammad to take his
daughter-in-law Zainab as a wife when he lusted after her. (36:37)

Glazov: You discuss how Muhammad married Aisha when she was seven and still
playing with dolls and that he had sex with her when she was nine. Can you
kindly explain to me what Muslims think about this in their thinking of
their Prophet? Every time I try to raise this issue with devout Muslims
there is a lot of double-talk and a lot of anger directed at me. I never get
anywhere on this issue. Can you give us your wisdom on this?

Trifkovic: There is no "wisdom," there is common decency and natural
morality. Yes, Muslims need to be pressed on the rape of Aisha, and on the
murders, ethnic cleansing, and genocide. On the whole, many commands of the
Kuran and Muhammad's actions and words recorded in the Traditions are
morally abhorrent and criminal not only by the standards of our time, but
even in the context of 7th century Arabia! They were often considered
repugnant by Muhammad's contemporaries. He had to resort to "revelations" as
a means of justifying his actions and suppressing the prevalent moral code
of his own society. Attacking caravans in the holy month, taking up arms
against one's kinsmen, slaughtering prisoners, reserving a lion's share of
the booty, murdering people without provocation, violating treaties, and
indulging one's sensual passions, was also at odds with the moral standards
of his Arab contemporaries. Only the ultimate authority could sanction it,
and Allah duly obliged him.

On the whole, Muhammad's practice and constant encouragement of bloodshed
are unique in the history of religions. Allah's order to "kill the
unbelievers wherever you find them" is an injunction both unambiguous and
powerful. The word "genocide" was not even coined when Muhammad conveyed
Allah's alleged dictum, "When we decide to destroy a population. then we
destroy them utterly." (17:16-17) Disobedient people "we utterly destroyed."
(21:11) That Islam sees the world as an open-ended conflict between the Land
of Peace (Dar al-Islam) and the Land of War (Dar al-Harb), which must be
conquered by jihad, is the most important bequest of Muhammad to history.
The end of Jihad is possible only when "there prevail justice and faith in
Allah" everywhere. (2:193) Muhammad thus postulated the fundamental
illegitimacy of the existence of a non-Muslim world. Muslims could
contemplate tactical ceasefires, but never jihad's complete abandonment
short of the unbelievers' abject submission.

On its own admission Islam stands or falls with the person of Muhammad, a
deeply flawed man by the standards of his own society, as well as those of
the Old and New Testaments, both of which he acknowledged as divine
revelation; and even by the new law, of which he claimed to be the divinely
appointed medium and custodian. The problem of Islam, and the problem of the
rest of the world with Islam, is not the remarkable career of Muhammad per
se, undoubtedly a "great man" in terms of his impact on human history. It is
the religion's claim that the words and acts of its prophet provide the
universally valid standard of morality as such, for all time and all men.
Our judgment on Muhammad rests on evidence of his followers and faithful
admirers. Even on such evidence, the verdict of the civilized world goes
against the "prophet." That verdict, once it is passed - and it will be
passed - will make the gentle mockery of Muhammad in those cartoons appear
as inappropriate as it would be inappropriate today to lampoon Hitler for
his out-of-wedlock liaison with Ewa Braun, or for his inability to control
flatulence.

FP: Mr. Trifkovic, thank you for joining us today.

Trifkovic: Thank you Jamie.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21872

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TOPIC: what is a developing hindu?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f6e5c2ca9fc6e9aa
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:14 am
From: "harmony"

say what?

"Mohd Kaffir" <fragrance28_693@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143785284.812853.126690@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> You are talking to yourself? :)
>
> harmony wrote:
> > good post, a great refreshing change from the caste stuff indians always
> > beat themselves with to exhaustion.
> > usa has no choice but to help the hindus - ok, the developing hindus
(dh) -
> > now that usa is dancing with india. the dh are the kind who mind their
own
> > business, for whom politics or public-affair is a dirty word, not
realizing
> > they need to show awareness to the environment that helps them stay
focussed
> > on their business.
> >
> >
> > "are we on same page?" <sayhello@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:PoVWf.8844$9h5.192@dukeread09...
> > > the hindu world is a big world, nearly 800 mils across the globe. they
are
> > > shrinking in numbers, however ; scarily so witin india. now, just like
the
> > > whole planet is divided in 3 broad categories - for ease of
> > understanding -
> > > the hindu world also needs to be categorized accordingly.
> > >
> > > thus, the true hindus are the first world which has the vision to make
the
> > > world one peaceful propserous place with equal opportunity for all in
> > total
> > > freedom. the second is the commies (with hindu names) world along with
> > > pseudosecularists who are beyond help where freedom must be brought by
> > > defeating them. the third is "developing" 3rd world hindus, who would
> > > instinctively want to do the right thing but can't bring themselves to
it
> > > for myriad reasons which merit discussion. but this 3rd worlders are
the
> > > wild card as it applies to the world peace since they taken in by
commie
> > > sloganeering, and let the mummudism grow under their feet, thus
> > debalitating
> > > their environment and themselves. the third worlders badly need help
of
> > the
> > > well intetentioned free world led by usa. however, usa itself is
misled,
> > and
> > > has no clue about the hindu 3rd worlders, and is itself often misled
by
> > > hindu commies. what a tragedy!!!! the world future depends on
recognizing
> > > this very serious puzzle and solving it.
> > >
> > > (the above categorization is not necessarily geographic; and doesn't
need
> > to
> > > be so in this fast paced world rendered small because of hi tech. eg,
> > nearly
> > > all hindu professors in american universities teaching non-technical
> > > courses, like history etc are commie-hindus like they exist in india's
> > > "prestigious" commie infested nehru university in delhi.)
> > >
> > >
>

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TOPIC: "Yes, I know we have made tactical errors, thousands of them,"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/1fd619b8a15ae49c
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 8:11 am
From: "Kevin"

An error or two is human. Thousands of errors is incompetence.
Obviously, after a few hundred errors you would think these people
would realize they're not able to do the job effectively. Shouldn't
America hold it's leaders accountable to their failures? Especially,
when they number into, literally, thousands of wrong decisions? And,
these are errors that have negatively affected, firstmost, life itself
- including thousands of brave Americans who have pledged to protect
and support this country. Don't we owe it to their surviving loved
ones to hold those that contributed to their lost lives accountable?
If, after thousands of bad decisions, these people are not willing to
step aside and let more competent Americans clean up their mess,
shouldn't we be making an effort as a nation to remove the problem?

What about the damage to our people, our harmony, our standing in the
world, our national self-esteem? Does any of it matter anymore?

When the person closest to the unpopular president said, "Yes, I know
we have made tactical errors, thousands of them"... then the question
of this administration's competence is no longer in dispute. I agree
with the Bush administration about one thing... that we can't just walk
away. The only real solution is to remove those that have created such
a mess, and continue to do so. Only then can we place in authority
those that are competent to design a strategy that will offer at least
a measure of success, and eventually stop this nation's bleeding.

It really is time we come together and act. Let us to the right thing.
Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld and cohorts must go. THEY MUST GO! Let
America move forward and start healing.

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TOPIC: ALIANZA DEMOCRATICA INVITA AL TOWER THEATRE
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/4ade91f1da9b0d11
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:43 am
From: "PM"

Nota de Prensa
ALIANZA DEMOCRATICA INVITA AL TOWER THEATRE
El Quinto (5to) Encuentro del "Centro de Formación Democrática de las
Américas" será realizado el viernes 31 de marzo en el Tower Theatre de la
calle 8 con la avenida 15 de la Pequeña Habana.

Este quinto encuentro presentara una disertación por el destacado
jurista Dr. Alberto Luzarraga sobre los fundamentos éticos requeridos para
el buen funcionamiento de una Republica Constitucional, haciendo énfasis en
el trabajo a realizarse en Cuba, donde se avecina un cambio que va a
requerir un compromiso profundo por parte de su pueblo a un sistema de
libertades bajo una ley fundamental que todos entiendan y respeten, declaró
José Antonio Font, Chairman de la ALIANZA DEMOCRATICA, institución creada en
Washington desde 1989. Esta será una charla de gran importancia para los que
nos formamos como demócratas, que contará con la participación de los
también conocidos y respetados panelistas Dr. Alexis Ortiz y Dr. Marco
Antonio Ramos. El Centro de Formación Democrática continuará realizando
estos encuentros todos los últimos viernes de mes (Viernes Culturales) en el
propio Tower Theatre, contando con el co-patrocinio del MIAMI DADE COLLEGE.

La ALIANZA DEMOCRATICA tiene desarrollado un extenso currículo para el
estudio de la democracia representativa, el sistema de libre empresa y los
valores éticos que los sustentan, y ha completado varios cursos en formato
audio visual, los cuales serán presentados durante los siguientes encuentros
mensuales. 03-21-06.

Conferencista:
ALBERTO LUZARRAGA
Alberto Luzarraga es presidente de Amerinvest, Inc., una firma de
actividades bancarias y mercantiles en Nueva York. Él sirvió como presidente
del Banco Continental de Chicago Internacional y previamente concluyó un
número significativo de transacciones a través de América Latina incluyendo
varias privatizaciones. Es también conferencista y autor bien conocido de
muchos ensayos sobre Cuba. El señor Luzárraga tiene un Ph.D. en Derecho
Civil (Magna.cum.laude) de la universidad de Villanueva-(Habana). Obtuvo un
grado de CPA en la universidad de La Habana y recibió una Maestría en
Administración de Negocios de la Universidad de Miami. Él vive en el área
metropolitana de la ciudad New York. . Actualmente es el presidente del
Grupo Cubano Americano de Estudios e Investigaciones; editor de
FuturodeCuba.org y Vice Chairman de la Alianza Democratica.

Panelistas:
Marco Antonio Ramos
Académico correspondiente de la Real Academia Española desde 1995.
Profesor de Historia Doctorado. Pastor de la Iglesia Bautista Calvario, en
Miami. Senior Research Associate, Intitute of Cuban and Cuban American
Studies de la Universidad de Miami. Miembro de número de la Academia de
Historia de Cuba (exilio). Miembro de número de las Sociedades Históricas de
EUA de las Iglesias Católica, Presbiteriana y Bautista.

Periodista especializado en política internacional, columnista
dominical del Diario las Americas. Como colaborador de varios diarios y
revistas desde 1967, ha publicado sus artículos en casi todas las Capitales
Latinoamericanas. Panelista regular del programa OPINIONES del canal 17 de
la Junta Escolar de Miami Dade desde 1988. Autor de 38 prólogos e
introducciones de libros, así como de ensayos incluidos en libros de
investigación, antologías u obras colectivas. Redactor del "Almanaque
Mundial" y "12,000 minbiografias".

Alexis Ortiz
Escritor, periodista, locutor, guionista de cine y TV, conductor de
programas de radio y TV. Ex parlamentario. Ex Alcalde. Ex dirigente
comunitario, ambientalista, político y deportivo. Ex asesor electoral.

Ha escrito ocho libros y veinte folletos sobre temas diversos
(históricos, culturales, comunicacionales, indigenistas, municipales,
deportivos, políticos, etc.).

En Venezuela ha dirigido un periódico, una emisora, revistas y otras
publicaciones. Condujo programas en emisoras y televisoras de Venezuela
sobre:Opinión y entrevistas.

Ha sido columnista de "El Nacional", "Ultimas Noticias", "El Mundo",
"2001", "Meridiano", 'El Tiempo", 'El Diario de Caracas" y otras treinta
publicaciones venezolanas. Corresponsal en España, Francia e Inglaterra de
las revistas "Semana", "Mujer" e "Imagen" (del Instituto Nacional de Cultura
y Bellas Artes).

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TOPIC: Rising sea levels wont be a problem
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/335a114c39b21cca
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:21 am
From: "harmony"

i think alla is playing cruel tricks. bangladesh will go underwater but
bangladeshis will be resettled in west europe and usa - since the countries
responsible for global warming must pay the price -most likely britain and
france. alla, who is running circles around heavenly father, wants europe to
become mommedan.

"habshi" <hi@anony> wrote in message news:442c18f1.1855718@news.clara.net...
> In fact global warming could be a big boon.
> It will give us a huge land area -Antarctica and Greenland total of
> three times the size of Australia or six times India to colonize.
> The rising waters can be taken to deep lakes dug near the coasts .
> A 100 meter deep lakes . with total area of few thousand
> square miles would be enough.
> The CCSM suggests that during the interglacial period, melt water from
> Greenland and other Arctic sources raised sea level by as much as 11
> feet (3.5 meters), says Otto-Bliesner. However, coral records indicate
> the sea level actually rose 13-20 feet (4-6 meters) or more. Overpeck
> concludes that Antarctic melting must have produced the remainder of
> the sea-level rise.
>
> These studies are the first to link Arctic and Antarctic melting in
> the last interglacial period. Marine diatoms and beryllium isotopes
> found beneath the West Antarctic Ice Sheet indicate parts of the ice
> disappeared at some point over the past several hundred thousand
> years.
>
> Overpeck theorizes that the rise in sea levels produced by Arctic
> warming and melting could have helped destabilize ice shelves at the
> edge of the Antarctic ice sheet and led to their collapse. If such a
> process occurred today, it would be accelerated by global-scale
> greenhouse-induced warming year round, Overpeck says. In the Arctic,
> melting would likely be hastened by pollution that darkens snow and
> enables it to absorb more sunlight.
>
> In the past few years sea level has begun rising more rapidly, now at
> a rate of about an inch per decade, says Overpeck. Recent studies have
> also found accelerated rates of glacial retreat along the margins of
> both the Greenland and West Antarctic ice sheets.
>

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TOPIC: "PKK's 'mountain Kurds' declare independence"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d059a8bd81fa642e
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 8:17 am
From: "rick murphy"

http://www.thenewanatolian.com/tna-3834.html

PKK's 'mountain Kurds' declare independence

Sedat Bozkurt - The New Anatolian/ Ankara

The period of relative peace in the southeast came to an abrupt halt
this week with violence in Diyarbakir and the rest of the region, thus
forcing a moment of decision to the Democratic Society Party (DTP) in
its relations with the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK).

The week has witnessed the terrorist PKK turning the city centers of
the southeast into scenes of violent action -- even more unexpected
because the recent Nevruz, which the Kurds celebrate as their new year,
had passed in considerable peace.

For the first time in a year, tanks and gunfire were heard in the
streets of Diyarbakir. But more that the clashes, the political motives
behind the violence have to be analyzed in terms of their causes and
consequences.

At first glance, the events may well be interpreted as a move by the
PKK to recover its waning support in the region. Traditionally,
violence has been the usual tool of the group, which is on the terror
list of both the United States and the European Union. In a move to
boost its visibility, resorting to the old method is imaginable.

The weakness of this analysis, however, is that the group has long
realized that its resort to violence creates a negative impact, rather
than a positive one, on the Kurdish population, which is not
politicized. Thus, resorting to force would not be considered a
legitimate method of regaining confidence by the PKK.

The three days of incidents also correspond with a time that the
Democratic Society Party (DTP) -- which does not deny its links with
the PKK -- has called for an "end to the violence and an unconditional
cease-fire." Moreover, the PKK suffered a second setback because the
organizations for the celebration of Nevruz, which the Kurds celebrate
as their new year, were dominated by the DTP. The fact that the
relations between the state forces and the DTP demonstrators proceeded
in a healthy way in the course of the demonstrators prevented the PKK
from having it its way.

Thus, during the Nevruz celebrations, control of the Diyarbakir streets
was given to the control of the DTP and dominated by its call to end
violence.

But the Diyarbakir events provided the first rebuff of this call,
putting the DTP in a very difficult position. Ahmet Turk, the party's
leader, was under particularly difficulty because he had originally
been objected to by the PKK "mountain cadres" in his leadership.
Another person in a tough spot was Osman Baydemir, the mayor of
Diyarbakir, who used soothing language and soft tones to calm down
events.

The violence on the streets also gave a very strong message to PKK
leader Abdullah Ocalan, who is serving a life sentence in Imrali
prison. It has, first of all, made a mockery of the call of Ocalan to
the PKK to seek shelter outside Turkish borders. Moreover, it was a
direct rejection of Ocalan's call for "civil disobedience" through
demonstrations that were nonviolent.

The message to Imrali was thus clear: the mountain cadres of the PKK
had declared their sovereignty and independence from other factors in
the equation. They have also given very clear messages on just how they
would establish their ties with the rest of the PKK and DTP.

The events put the DTP at a very important juncture, where it will have
to decide whether to behave like a legitimate political party and thus
condemn the PKK violence or bow to the demands of the PKK's mountain
cadres and totally change its top administration.

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TOPIC: Illegal Hispanic Immigration & rally in LA
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/965a78900803abba
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 4:18 pm
From: Vernon North

In article <1143793323.395197.142500@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
veakrin@gmail.com says...
> Verno ,
> yes the Spainiards took the lands from the Aborigenes,
>
> just like the White took the lands of the Aborigenes , in teh USA , in
> Australia , in Malaysia ,
> in New Zealand .in South Africa .
>
In many cases in North America, the land was transferred legitimately by
treaties.

Verno

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TOPIC: HOW TO REPORT ABUSE ON THE NET
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a6101ecc3228e05e
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 6:29 pm
From: "TrafalgarSquare" <520001085531-0001@t-online.de>

HOW TO REPORT "ALI ASKER":

Please file an online abuse report:
For each posting that violates the laws (society or usenet) please file
an online abuse report at this adress (you can also report anonymously):

http://bbplus.ntlworld.com/NetReport/

This guy named "Ali Asker" is flooding the newsgroups with
his propaganda crap for the outlawed terror organisation p.k.k.

He says that he is a terrorist. He supports, or is even a
member of an outlowed terrorist organization.

He posts manipulated news articles, calls for war, spreads hate speech.

He is in the UK.

As can be seen he is blatantly violating national and international laws,
but it seems this guy is somehow protected by a "high" british location.

He clearly misuses the Usenet for posting mass propaganda (he crossposts into 10+ groups).

Please file your online abuse report at the above adress.

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TOPIC: Illegals: The Cure? Require 'Illegal Alien" Exclusion in Insurance
Policies
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/50d9d24ad2faadf1
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 11:24 am
From: Just Cocky

On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 04:45:16 -0500, "Jennie" <hnix@adelphia.net>
wrote:
>
>I think the folks who hire there illegal should split the bill for all the
>medical benefits.
>

Is this English, "who hire there illegal"?

--
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are
cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt"
-- Bertrand Russell

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 8:36 am
From: "***Gnostic Archon"

"Jennie" <hnix@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:Q5Cdnckoc-xpZLHZRVn-gw@adelphia.com...
> It is really not fair for taxpayer to pay for their health insurance and
> free drugs.

It's not fair for Americans to pay the insurance for the employers who hire
them.
Nine out of ten times when a field worker is injured the employer simply
dumps the worker off at the closest hospital.

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TOPIC: Jai Maharaj posts http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6ecdcce8f5bdc3bf
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:33 am
From: "harmony"

and texas too. congratualtions.

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> Om Shanti

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TOPIC: BUSH TEAM MEMBER CONFESSES!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/90e1bca75825f88c
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 8:29 am
From: beachshark1@yahoo.com

Yesterday, Condi RIce admitted, "Yes, I know we have made tactical
errors, thousands of them."

An error or two, even a handful... maybe a few dozen even... is human.
Thousands of errors is incompetence.

Obviously, after a few hundred errors you would think these people
would realize they're not able to do the job effectively. Shouldn't
America hold it's leaders accountable to their failures? Especially,
when they number into, literally, thousands of wrong decisions? And,
these are errors that have negatively affected, firstmost, life itself
- including thousands of brave Americans who have pledged to protect
and support this country. Don't we owe it to their surviving loved
ones to hold those that contributed to their lost lives accountable?
If, after thousands of bad decisions, these people are not willing to
step aside and let more competent administrators clean up their mess,
shouldn't we be making an effort as a nation to remove the problem?

What about the damage to our people, our harmony, our standing in the
world, our national self-esteem? Does any of it matter anymore?

When the person closest to this unpopular president said, "Yes, I know
we have made tactical errors, thousands of them"... then the question
of this administration's competence is no longer in dispute. I agree
with the Bush administration about one thing... that we can't just walk
away. The only real solution is to remove those that have created such
a mess, and continue to do so. Only then can we place in authority
those that are competent to design and implement a strategy that will
offer at least a measure of success, and eventually stop this nation's
bleeding.

It really is time we come together and act. Let us to the right thing.
Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld and cohorts must go, for the good of this
natioin. Let America move forward and start healing.

THEY MUST GO!

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TOPIC: Planned Parenthood Abortion Centers Lure Teens With iPods, Movie
Tickets
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6b864d136cbf256
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 11:29 am
From: "Frank Arthur"

Best have an abortion using a coat hanger or some sleazy back alley abortion
performed by some filthy uneducated character?

"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@mail2world.com> wrote in message
news:1143808361.955067.89250@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1606434/posts
>
>
>
> Planned Parenthood Abortion Centers Lure Teens With iPods, Movie
> Tickets
>
> LifeNews ^ | March 30, 2006 | Steven Ertelt
>
>
> Posted on 03/30/2006 3:46:27 PM PST by rhema
>
>
> San Francisco, CA -- Teenagers in the United States are having
> abortions in fewer numbers than at any time since Roe v. Wade and are
> more pro-life than older Americans. That means fewer customers for
> Planned Parenthood, but the abortion business has come up with a
> corporate marketing plan to lure teens with free iPods and movie
> tickets. Planned Parenthood Golden Gate, the center that gave teenager
> Holly Patterson the dangerous abortion drug that killed her, is leading
> the way with the new marketing scheme.
>
> Anyone who makes an appointment at one of the eight PPGG centers before
> April 30, 2006, can enter to win an iPod.
>
> A poster announcing another Planned Parenthood program, called
> "Tell-A-Friend," includes a photograph of a teenage girl whispering
> into the ear of another teen and telling. The text of the ad reads:
> "Get free movie tickets? Yes. When you tell a friend about Planned
> Parenthood."
>
> "These are some of the schemes Planned Parenthood is using to lure
> teenagers into its deadly facilities," said Douglas Scott, president
> of Life Decisions International, a group that organizes boycotts of
> companies that contribute to the abortion business.
>
> "Now which age group is most likely to be swayed by this kind of
> gimmick?" Scott asked. "This incentive is clearly aimed at young
> people."
>
> "Planned Parenthood has resorted to common corporate tactics in an
> effort to get young people to encourage their peers to voluntarily
> become the pro-abortion group's new victims," he said.
>
> In the tell a friend campaign, teens are asked to obtain a special card
> at a Planned Parenthood center or download one from their web site. The
> promoter gets two free movie passes redeemable at any United Artist
> theater and the friend receives $10 off her first visit.
>
> Other Planned Parenthood abortion businesses other than PPGG are using
> the campaign as well, including the Planned Parenthood ffiliate network
> in Colorado.
>
> Scott said the cards are also offensive because they include graphics
> from a cartoon video PPGG produced calling for violence against
> pro-life advocates. A superhero in the cartoon asks abortion advocates
> to participate in the "elimination" of pro-life people and shoots them
> with a ray gun.
>
> "Just like any other business, a key target group for Planned
> Parenthood is young people," Scott said. "And once a teenager is
> hooked, he or she can prove to be a good source of income for many
> years to come."
>
> LDI is currently investigating to determine if United Artists donated
> the tickets to Planned Parenthood or if they were purchased by the
> group. The pro-life group has not yet called for a boycott of the movie
> theater company.
>

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TOPIC: Global Warming Now Irreversible. Capitalist Way of Life Responsible
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2660b5dca799b991
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 8:29 am
From: "Stormy"

Turin wrote:
> Stormy wrote:
> > Turin wrote:
> > > "Short Little George" <george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com> retreated:
> > > > Turin wrote:
> > > > > "Irrelevant George" <george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Turin wrote:
> > > > > > > "Curious George" <george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Turin wrote:
> > > > > > > > > "Cracker George" <george@wtfiswrongwithyou.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > "Frank Arthur" <Art@Arthurian.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > news:zDDWf.151$Q8.16@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "Turin" <TurinTurambar.1@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > > > news:1143667915.694378.100380@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks to a century of large-scale oil consumption in the greedy West,
> > > > > > > > > > > we can all now look forward to winter tornados, marvelous new forms of
> > > > > > > > > > > skin cancer, a missing Amazon, and maybe a few hibernating dinosaurs
> > > > > > > > > > > waking up for lunch.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > While industrial Russia, China & India are also cosidered "the greedy
> > > > > > > > > > > West"?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Yeah, take a look at the global methane map:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > http://www.universetoday.com/am/uploads/2005-0318methane-full.jpg
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > As they say: A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing (in the
> > > > > > > > > hands of a redneck).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Oh, and while you are at it, take a look at the Chinese dust storm circling
> > > > > > > > > > the globe:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/NaturalHazards/natural_hazards_v2.php3?img_id=1622
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > hahaha .....whatever that's supposed to mean
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/06/0601_chinadust.html
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > dude. you should get a job as the oracle of delphi ...hahaha
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > No thanks. I prefer my job as a geologist.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lmao, that's a good one, too.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just don't quit that job as a troll...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Excuse me. I mistook you for a human being. My mistake.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Haha, I sure love slapping down these timid little "patriots".
> > > >
> > > > When you finally graduate from kindergarten, let me know. I'll be sure to
> > > > send a congratulatory card.
> > >
> > >
> > > Hahaha ....poor little nobody troll, named George.
> > > I win another round.
> > >
> >
> > George is obviously another leading expert in knowing nothing Turin
> > LOL
>
>
> Hahaha, Hey Stormy, babe. What's up..?
>

Hi Turin. I'm just preparing for summer now that spring is here. Just
got myself a new bikini yesterday which doesn't show too much I think
LOL

> That's true. I've run across him and other little old punks like him,
> before.

LOL I get hit on by those little guys at every stoplight. The smallest
ones are usually the boys with the neocon and America bumperstickers. I
have to be careful because it doesn't take much to hurt their fragile
egos.

> They never know anything but how to troll, via snipping and
> hurling their sickly peanuts. I think it must be what happens to the
> brain after years of those after-work beers.
>

That's one opiate of the masses that Marx left out.

> Bush almost has those little shit-balls in his clutches, too. Pretty
> soon, capitalism is going to heave it's last. All of their toys are
> going to be taken away. Workers' paradise is on the way, babe......
>

Amen Turin. The giant leech is getting ready to fall off of the worker!
The scabs with the professional classes are going to find themselves
working the sewers LOL

Stormy

>
> > Stormy
> >
> > >
> > > > 1 Pissed-off Little George
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah, there's nothing like picking one up by the scruff of the neck,
> > > > > shaking him good and listening for each wet plop of shit fill his
> > > > > underwear, while he shies from your intense city-boy eyes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Meanwhile his little A-K sits at home, unused ...hahaha
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > - - -
> > > > >
> > > > > The face of an angel, the charm of the devil
> > > > > ...the power of a god:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Turin
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I have such sites to show you...
> > > > > ------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
> > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/Men_First
> > > > >
> > > > > ------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > > "He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth, or
> > > > > maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
> > > > > burn in hell forever and ever...."
> > > > >
> > > > > -----
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > George
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Geologic George
> > > > > > > > College of Knowledge, U of Bullshit
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Curious George
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "It's absurd. How can I set free anyone who doesn't have the guts to
> > > > > > > > > stand up alone and declare his own freedom?"
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ~ Jim Morrison
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > - - -
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Few can dispute him. Even fewer dare...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Turin
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I have such sites to show you...
> > > > > > > > > ------------------------
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > http://members.fortunecity.com/turinturambar/
> > > > > > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/Men_First
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ------------------------
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "He who changeth, altereth, misconstrueth, argueth with, deleteth, or
> > > > > > > > > maketh a lie about these words or causeth them to not be known shall
> > > > > > > > > burn in hell forever and ever...."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----
> > > > > >

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TOPIC: Goodbye Europe
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/45e5b9700b1e9ac3
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:27 am
From: "DoD"

"Calife" <user@user.net> wrote in message
news:442d4c09$0$29180$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr...
> Daniel Bernard wrote:
> > On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:52:53 +0200, Calife <user@user.net> wrote:
> >
> > <snipped>
> >> Complaining about American "culture" is a given in France,
> >
> > Probably because American culture is pretty much now limited to
> > silicone breasts, drive-by shootings and crack cocaine.
>
> A little bit reductive, but difficult to argue...!!! :-) ;-)

Ah yes, the hollywood (or california) version of America.... I am not
surprised that Daniel put that out there, (being as he is half-baked and
half-French) but why you bit is a little surprising.

> >>> more cries of "Sarkozy fascist" (it's even
> >>>> subtitled for DoD and assorted limited understanding types), and
> >>>> "Sarkozy enculé" (literally "Sarkozy fucked-up the ass", in fact
> >>>> equivalent to "Sarkozy asshole").
>
> >>> I re watched it and just like marybonita said, I could have sworn I
heard
> >>> .....'Sarkozy, Sale Juif!
> >>
> >> Don't swear, it's unbecoming!
> >
> > He is from Kansas. WTF does he know about comportment?
>
>
> Geez, Kansas!! And I thought he might be from further west, what with
> usually coming on here when I leave work around 6pm CET.
> Isn't Kansas the only state to have imposed ID/creationism in its public
> schools?
> Merci Daniel, DoD's "burden" becomes clearer by the minute!!!

Yawn, flatheads from western Kansas started that idiocy and to my knowledge
it never went through, over here in Johnson, read wealthiest county in the
USA, we don't take too kindly to such nonsense. But I am really glad that
Daniel had to fall back on heines logical arguement. When all else fails
point out where someone is from, like that is shameful and everything from
that place is stereotypical.... And you bit on this piece as well.

> >> Especially when you don't know what you're talking about! Or are you
> >> pretending bilingualism? You speak French now??? You're taking lessons
> >> with "Marybonita"?? :-D
> >> The kids are CLEARLY yelling "Sarkozy fasciste", which he nearly is,
> >
> > Nearly?
> > http://www.liberation.fr/page.php?Article=370748
>
> Il fait du racolage pour raison électoral.
> Quoiqu'il soit possible qu'il est viré sa cutie et croit à ce qu'il dit
> pour de vrai.
> A propos, si tu parles bien français (tu l'es?), télécharge un MP3 qui
> s'appelle "Sarko Skanking". Une superbe manipulation des paroles de
> Sarko sur plusieurs sujets! Super!! :-)
>
> Sorry DoD for tawkin' f'reign here and losin' ya big time!!! ;-)

Yep, I don't really care to go through the whole babelfish and try and guess
what that half-French half-baked pussy just posted here, but suffice it to
say that some of us can still monitor Yurp and not through a U.S.
perspective.

> >> and
> >> not "sale juif" which he is not.
> >
> > Obviously DoD could not understand the subtitles but hey, why spoil
> > his fantasies?
> >
> >> So, for your own sake, enter that information, file it, and don't spout
> >> ignorant bullshit anymore than you have to!
> >>
> > Like the idiot can help it.
>
>
> :-D :-D
> Merci Daniel!!!!!

Hmmm....You think Daniel is funny? Do you also find some of his other
postings funny? Of course you would.. You are European... I BET you don't
come back with something cute to say about this......Then again maybe you
will, your type also throws bananas at black people. LOL!!!!!

Ah but Rev, would you expect anything else from the offspring of the
Christ
Killers?

Daniel Bernard soc.culture.israel Oct 21 2003, 10:16 am

Reverend, you get what you pay for in this life. Here's a quote from
the
bible that I like to repeat whenever some poor benighted fool tries to
convince me that the jew has been hard done by:

"Then cried all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our
children." - Luke 23:20-23 & Mathew 27:25

Daniel Bernard soc.culture.isarel Oct 23 2003, 3:25 am

Reverend, might I suggest that you rise above such base insults spouted
by
the jew and do not let yourself be drawn down to their level. The jew
was
just using bravado to cover up the guilt all jews should feel every
moment
of their lives (well they would feel if they actually had a conscience
but I
won't go into that).

"Then cried all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our
children." - Luke 23:20-23 & Mathew 27:25

As long as there are decent people in the world, those words will come
back
to haunt the jew wherever it resides.

Daniel Bernard soc.culure.israel Oct 24 2003, 4:22 am

If you think my trolling here is a gift, thank Daniel Bernard

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 8:29 am
From: "DoD"

"Calife" <user@user.net> wrote in message
news:442d1816$0$18339$8fcfb975@news.wanadoo.fr...
> DoD wrote:
> > "Calife" <user@user.net> wrote in message
>
> >> Duuuhhh!!, Resistance precludes dominance, resistance prevents the
> >> "dominance" from taking place.
> >> You are truly 'merkan, where resistance to power and authority is a bad
> >> thang, where submission to the "dominant male" is a shared evolutionary
> >> trait between monkeys and DoD!
> >> Bravo, DoD, well done!!!
> >
> > Again I ask you if it wasn't dominant, then why would there be a NEED
for
> > resitance? Wouldn't you be resisting something else, for instance
something
> > Oriental ......
>
>
> <sigh of appalled disbelief>
> -Resistance to stop/slow down something from being/becoming dominant.
> -A need to resist something to prevent it from becoming dominant.
> -Something undesirable comes this way, let's resist in some fashion to
> stop it before it lands and settles in.
>
> Are you THAT thick not to grasp such a simple concept??
> </sigh>
>
> I like south Asian (ie: Indian, Lankan) culture a great deal: the music,
> the architecture, the history, the food, the dance, the mythology,... a
> great deal.
> I also like various far-eastern cultures very much: most things
> Japanese, Viet, Malaysian/Indonesian (Shadow theater, puppet theater,
> gamelan ensembles,...).
> No resistance necessary!
>
>
>
>
> >> Chirac
> >>> tells you to resist it all the time....
> >>
> >>
> >> Another fine example of DoD's very limited political conception:
> >> 'Merkans must love "da prezident" and kowtow to his "infallibility",
> >> ergo French and assorted Paris resident of course love and submit to
> > Chirac.
> >> Only submission to Chirac can make any French hate 'merka.
> >> That one may dislike both Bush and Chirac, and what they embody in
their
> >> respective countries and cultures is beyond DoD's ken!!
> >
> > No, that other thick as pigshit, half baked, half French idiot Daniel
> > Bernard oftens points out that to most ,Chirac was the less of two
evils,
> > and I am willing to take his word on that, even if it means that the
> > political landscape of France is even more fucked up than originally
> > thought.
>
> What "political landscape" anywhere is not "fucked up" these days??
> In the VERY SPECIFIC context of the elections of April/May 2002, Chirac
> was indeed the lesser of two evils. That's something Americans ought to
> understand well: most elections in the US are the embodiment of "lesser
> of two evils", thanks to the "two-party" system. One candidate is never
> enough to the right/to the left, whatever.
> To me, Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton, Kerry were lesser evils than
> Ford, RayGun, Bush I & II.
> Actually, I managed to escape that conundrum one year by voting Gus Hall
> & Angela Davis (a thought that ought to give you a major eczema
> attack!!! :-D )
>
>
>
> > But the point here was/is that Chirac rails against American
> > culture because he knows it is dominate and he feels it is a threat to
> > French culture. I have never heard him rail against oriental culture.
>
> Complaining about American "culture" is a given in France, has been for
> half a century. Inversely, many French love movies, jazz, blues, C&W,
> Gospel, Harley-Davidson, Coca Cola, NBA and NFL sports (Superbowl XL was
> live on national France 2 TV network this year, till 5-or-so AM). The
> list goes on... There are also many French who do NOT like any of that.
> Sorry to puncture your facile image of monolithic foreign cultures!! :-)
> However, junk food, bad Hollywood explosion movies, super djeezus
> hypocrisy, evil, criminal, illegal imperial expansion masquerading as
> "freedom" and "bringing democracy" just don't wash with a large segment
> of the French population.
> And yes, you will find sell-outs-to-power like Bernard-Henri Levy, Andre
> Glucksman, Bernard Kouchner and Jean François Revel to like all that
trash!!
>
> As to Chirac, he will never rail against Asian culture, what with being
> a great lover of Japan, a country he proudly points out having visited
> over 40 times, both officially and privately!
>
>
>
> > more cries of "Sarkozy fascist" (it's even
> >> subtitled for DoD and assorted limited understanding types), and
> >> "Sarkozy enculé" (literally "Sarkozy fucked-up the ass", in fact
> >> equivalent to "Sarkozy asshole").
> >
> > I re watched it and just like marybonita said, I could have sworn I
heard
> > .....'Sarkozy, Sale Juif!
>
>
> Don't swear, it's unbecoming!
> Especially when you don't know what you're talking about! Or are you
> pretending bilingualism? You speak French now??? You're taking lessons
> with "Marybonita"?? :-D
> The kids are CLEARLY yelling "Sarkozy fasciste", which he nearly is, and
> not "sale juif" which he is not.
> So, for your own sake, enter that information, file it, and don't spout
> ignorant bullshit anymore than you have to!
>
>
> >
> >> The two masked kids clearly say that the riots' trigger was the
> >> suspicious death of two kids trying to escape police and they draw a
> >> parallel between their treatment at the hand of French police and
> >> Palestinian youths at the hand of israeli police; and the only mention
> >> of Jihad is by some "journalist" leading Sarko with a question about
> >> what to do when kids call for jihad!
> >> Get someone to explain things to you DoD, it'll help with your problem!
> >
> > It is really not a problem for me to piece together you finding an
apologist
> > explanation for all these ills.
>
>
> That's me translating what is said on that tape. Something you evidently
> did NOT understand. Along with the "Sarkozy fasciste" which only exist
> in your fevered and anguished imagination!
> So, underlining for limited dopes of your talent, facts unarguably
> spelled out on the video are apologetics!!???
> 'Nuff said!!!
>
>
> Look DoD, I don't really care to continue this circular dialogue, having
> to explain things to you you'll never grasp. So unless you grow a brain
> and find something pertinent to say, I'd rather NOT waste my time any
> longer with this. OK?

I am not gonna waste my time on this any longer. Besides it was you that
intruded on my thread. I gave you sufficient reply in the other post to you.
Now I will let you and your compadre continue your Jew hating dialogue about
Christ-killers and throwing bananas at black people. LOL!!!! GoYurp!!!!

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TOPIC: Good for you, Iran
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c207418ded7475f5
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 11:31 am
From: "Frank Arthur"

Iran cannot even make a democracy, nor literacy and advanced education for
its people!

<analyst41@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143806497.629528.226220@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1663678,00050004.htm
>
> Its a bit sad to celebrate a weapon, but fucking white people spend
> huge shares of their economy on weapons which are then used to
> intimidate and terrorize third world people. Then they get rid of
> older weapons by selling them at exorbitant prices to fool countries
> liek Saudi Arabia. Russian and the Chinks are in the same game,
> including so called peaceful, "Nordic" countries.
>
> Good that Iran can make this wepaon by itself and good if it restores
> the strategic military balance with Israel.
>

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TOPIC: The Questions we must ask about policing in Ireland...[was Re: Gardai
in Ireland to reach 14,000!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a0cbb5c1a6d8d05b
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 5:32 pm
From: Michael O'Neill

Howard9 wrote:
>
> In article <4421392A.DF02179C@bwahahaha.indigo.ie>,
> onq@bwahahaha.indigo.ie says...
> > Until we know the answers to these and other questions we cannot address
> > the issue of Garda Manpower.
> >
>
> Perhaps you could help by quoting one other country ... any one will
> do... that is in possession of the answer to question 1 ?
>
> --
> Howard

The first great thing about asking good questions Howard is that they
often set new standard.

The second is that you don't have to know the answers, just how to ask
good questions.

We have a very well paid and pensioned civil service to provide answers.

M.

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TOPIC: IRAN PLANS 'WAR GAMES' IN THE PERSIAN GULF........
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/42726506b667902e
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 8:19 am
From: "Nedabiah"

"facilitator" <tlmurray@juno.com> wrote in message
news:1143782718.802339.39600@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> God bless the Jews. Bring peace to Jerusalem.
>
God bless the Iranians. Give Jerusalem back to the Palestinians.

God bless the Iranians. Kick American terrorists out of Irak. Stop them from
mudering innocent people.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 8:51 am
From: "John Lemke"

"Nedabiah" <Ned4u@newsserver.ca> wrote in message
news:ZDcXf.2934$u15.482877@news20.bellglobal.com...
>
> "facilitator" <tlmurray@juno.com> wrote in message
> news:1143782718.802339.39600@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> God bless the Jews. Bring peace to Jerusalem.
>>
> God bless the Iranians. Give Jerusalem back to the Palestinians.
>
> God bless the Iranians. Kick American terrorists out of Irak. Stop them
> from mudering innocent people.

Hey, come stay at alt.prophecies.nostradamus. Come, join our little love
fests.

Seriously.

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TOPIC: Muslim cleric held over Varanasi blasts
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c7da75b260e7e841
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 8:37 am
From: "Mirza Ghalib"

MUSLIM CLERIC HELD OVER VARANASI BLASTS

Press Trust of India
Posted online: Thursday, March 30, 2006 at 1724 hours IST

Varanasi, March 30: A Muslim cleric has been picked up by the Special
Task Force from his residence in Allahabad for interrogation in
connection with his alleged role in the terror attacks here, officials
sources said today.

The cleric, identified as Waliullah, from the Islamabad locality under
Phulpur police circle area of Allahabad was taken into custody by the
STF team on Sunday night for interrogation in connection with his
alleged role in the March 7 twin blasts in Sankat Mochan temple and
cantonment railway station here, based on reports of suspicious
activities in the past, sources said.

STF picked up Walliullah as soon as he returned home following
questioning by the local intelligence unit and police officials at
Phulpur police station, they said.

He is being interrogated at an undisclosed location amid charges that
he and his family provided refuge to the terrorists in their house in
2001 following which he and his two brothers were booked under various
provisions of the Indian Penal Code on sedition charges, the trial of
which was still pending with the lower court in Allahabad district.

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TOPIC: Illegals/Amnesty = Modern Day Slavery in the U.S.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5f29a1268a937658
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 8:38 am
From: "***Gnostic Archon"

"Lets Roll" <letsroll@meet-me-in-hell.com> wrote in message
news:M29Xf.12196$sL2.3401@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
> "Robert" <sabu77@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:YLidnYupEd8LXLHZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>
>> "Just another American" <abc@def.net> wrote in message
>> news:h5ep221k5i805gmjl0eivr58qd3jpa4tdj@4ax.com...
>>> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1606530/posts?q=1&&page=151
>>>
>>> In the old way of slavery, the slaves' 'wages' went to their
>>> previous owners and their overseers.
>>>
>>> They also went to their housing, meals, etc. Modern-day slavery
>>> has eliminated the initial outlay for purchasing and transporting
>>> your slaves. They now come to you.
>>>
>>> The elimination of this initially large outlay has opened the doors
>>> for smaller businesses to take advantage of modern slavery. No
>>> longer are the financial resources of a large plantation required to
>>> finance purchasing of new laborers when you've worked the old ones
>>> to death.
>>>
>>> Overhead such as housing and overseers has also been eliminated.
>>> Slaves now 'care' for themselves, finding small shelters where they
>>> pack as many of themselves inside as possible for shelter from the
>>> elements so they can save drastically on housing costs.
>>>
>>> This also gives modern day slave owners the formerly unheard of
>>> ability (under the old pre-1860s slavery) to trade in their weaker,
>>> sick, or lazy slaves for new ones who've just arrived at no expense.
>>>
>>> This then allows modern-day slave owners to split up the money that
>>> would have otherwise been spent on these ongoing expenses to pay
>>> ridiculously small 'wages' to their slaves, who then send much of
>>> that money home to keep their families alive.
>>>
>>> And that, folks, is the replacement for the whip-wielding overseer.
>>> Work for me, as long and hard as I tell you, for whatever I feel
>>> like paying you, or your family will starve. In some ways, modern
>>> slavery is worse than what we abolished 150 years ago.
>>>
>> Then why do these "slaves" enter the US illegally if things are so bad?
>>
>> Robert
>
> Because they are too lazy and too cowardly to engage the revolution that
> needs to take place in mejico.
> They take the easy way out to usurp the hard won benefits in America which
> our ancestors fought and died for their posterity to enjoy.
> Because neither they nor their ancestors have paid the blood price
> required to over throw the tyrants.

Sort of like you Bush lovers who'd rather go along with the corruption than
stand up as an American.

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