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Today's topics:
* The game played by big boys...in Asia. - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/3873fe4998efd80d
* Illegal Hispanic Immigration & rally in LA - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/965a78900803abba
* Shiite hits the fan! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9d1203ad1b5d7b89
* Australians top the world when it comes to crime - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c0316e20ba3f0bdc
* Did Anyone Notice? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d42aac831cfa7f17
* GASOLINE ([PETROL) PRICES WILL JUMP IN PRICE FROM AROUND $1.20 TO $3.29 PER
LITER NEXT WEEK !!! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6b0bba95363bd28b
* Ukrainian version of human rights. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6015a95452eff70d
* Turkey Playing with Fire - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f668a4b873506bf3
* Illegals: The Cure? Require 'Illegal Alien" Exclusion in Insurance Policies -
2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/50d9d24ad2faadf1
* What Can Be Done about North Kurdistanis?. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/821e2b7f2c4ee915
* property problem in cyprus - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f377487ec0fd62bf
* Illegals/Amnesty = Modern Day Slavery in the U.S. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5f29a1268a937658
* "Greek Cypriots' violence against their own fellow" - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/eff3304c85e6c69e
* Tensiaons are rising again this time in Hakkari Kurdistan - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5dfcb979f42f1b02
* Conservatives for 9/11 Truth - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/7442d75baa2e1b2b
* 500,000 immigration advocates march in Los Angelos - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a7922568c71505bc
* The Iranian government is strong. But not that strong - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/8c10d62da8f0403e
* "We are the TERRORISTS..." - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/19537260e534dde
* India's thorium reserves could provide all energy for hundreds of years - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ac57e00c949673ec
* REAL conservatives need to speak up! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9c8a065dd2a7418e
* TURKISH ARMY SURROUNDED TURDISTAN!!! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e1f3354707a6067e
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TOPIC: The game played by big boys...in Asia.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/3873fe4998efd80d
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Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 12:16 am
From: "Komin"
Venning , take it , or leave it .
the employees of the CIA were involved in the Opium Drug
Smuggling between Lao and South Vietnam ,
between Luang Nam Tha and Saigon .
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:24 am
From: "J.Venning"
"Komin" <veakrin@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1143793001.844402.267020@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Venning , take it , or leave it .
> the employees of the CIA were involved in the Opium Drug
> Smuggling between Lao and South Vietnam ,
> between Luang Nam Tha and Saigon .
>
Take what? Something you made up?
J.
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TOPIC: Illegal Hispanic Immigration & rally in LA
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/965a78900803abba
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 12:19 am
From: "Komin"
richasian ,
yes , past tense ,
belonged ,
not belongs .,
shoudl it be present tense ?
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 12:22 am
From: "Komin"
Verno ,
yes the Spainiards took the lands from the Aborigenes,
just like the White took the lands of the Aborigenes , in teh USA , in
Australia , in Malaysia ,
in New Zealand .in South Africa .
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TOPIC: Shiite hits the fan!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9d1203ad1b5d7b89
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Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 9:03 am
From: "slaphappy"
"Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@lst.net> wrote in message
news:75IWf.12768$VL2.539@trnddc04...
> kevin sez:
>
> "Iraqi State Minister for National Security Abdelkerim Enzi said: "The
> people in Mustafa Mosque were unarmed. No one opened fired on the
> soldiers. The US soldiers entered the mosque; they tied the people up
> and then murdered them. Everyone was killed."..."
> __________________________________
> There isn't one thing about this report that looks on the up and up. Tying
> people up then murdering them has definite ties to Iraqis, not Yankees.
>
> This is pure anti-American propaganda direct from the Ministry of National
> Security, and a good morning's work over there at the ministry with some
> Abrahms tanks and some helicopter gunships, would do a lot to reduce this
> kind of blatant lying on the part of the asshole minister.
>
> It would be highly unusual for any group of typical troublemakers in a
> mosque full of arms and ammo to NOT get the idea of firing on those evil
> infidel Yankees.
>
> I would therefore call this episode a cold blooded lying.
propaganda
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TOPIC: Australians top the world when it comes to crime
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c0316e20ba3f0bdc
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 7:42 pm
From: artie morty
On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 18:28:42 +1000, "Neil Boss"
<neilboss_boss@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>We do put a lot of work in trying to protect the "good" name of Australia.
>It only takes one "report" a few lies for pigskins to damn other nations.
>However this report is by the OECD a reputable organisation.
>
>We forget the crimes Aussies commit overseas like child molestation, rape,
>drug smuggling and I am sure there is even more.
>
>With regards to your comments see below ....
>
>artie morty <artiemorty@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>news:f85n221u1mkuc1b3pa39d631ehc8aapiq0@4ax.com...
>>
>> Spoke to many friends and we have narrowed it down to these:
>>
>> 1. Drugs.
>
>Yes drugs in the community have increased, they question is why are Aussies
>using drugs in a country where supposedly life is good, safe, great beaches,
>etc.. what are these people running away from? Why does Australia have the
>highest youth sucide rate in the world?
They are probably depressed from being called pigskins. That's what
your ultimate aim, isn't it?
>
>> 2. Organised Crime.
>
>Most of this is oranganised by the mafia figures, middle-eastern and far
>east asian gangs not to mention by "Aussies". Like for example rape,
>domestic violence, thieft, company directors like the HIH directors all
>"white" Aussies, Skases, Alan Bond, etc... ripped of billions.
>
>Let us not forget the Federal government take the case of AWB food for oil
>rip off, ministers leaving their jobs to take up position with companies
>they delt with, etc.
Like I said 'Organised Crime' - it exists in every country. And it
doesn't matter what race, religion or creed you mention, there are
always bad members of society.
>
>> 3. Social Welfare taking away parents rights to discipline children.
>
>I don't think so by enlarge most parents do try to do the right thing. Are
>you saying most Aussies are on social welfare?
>
No - I am saying that children are being taught that they have rights
that surpass a parents rights to discipline. How can a parent teach a
child what is right and wrong if they are too scared to do it.
If kid doesn't like discipline a home - he simply leaves, lives on the
street, and gets paid by the government.
Good choice - stay at home and work by the rules, or leave, miss
school, have a great time and get paid for the effort.
Surely this is where a lot of social crime begins.
>> 4. Massive breakdown in the family structure
>
>Well is divorce a reason to excuse personal responsibilty a person has?
>
No, of course not - but it does make it harder (refer to point 3)
>> 5. Credit - more people have more debt than ever before.
>
>Well Australians have one of the highest amounts outstanding on credit
>cards. Who's fault is that?
>
Only their own - but debt creates stress, and stress over money is one
of the biggest reasons for the above mentioned family breakdown, and
the ramifications that arise from it.
>> Even so - Australia is still a very safe country, and I would suggest
>> that one report offered by Mr Boss (who spends his life looking for
>> shit like this) really means stuff all.
>
>Well 20 shooting is Sydney is less then 3 months is far too hight because
>this did not happen before. Look at Melbourne.
>
If there were consistantly 20 shootings every 3 months, I would agree
with you, but you are using one isolated incident as a base level, and
that is incorrect.
I could also say that for 3 months last year there were no shootings.
As valid a point as yours, and it means nothing in the big picture
regarding the average crime rate in Oz..
>> It is after all - only one report.
>
>Sure its only a report when you feel embrassed but pigskins do not hold back
>when they use reports against others to dress them down do they? This is
>just a taste of your own medicine. The gloss of Aussies is wearing off a bit
>now isn't it?
I'm not ashamed of my country - are you sure you're not confusing me
with yourself. After all, you are the one who ran away from you birth
country, not me.
Artie...
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TOPIC: Did Anyone Notice?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d42aac831cfa7f17
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Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 9:23 am
From: Four-Way Windowpane
Jim E wrote...
> Rags killing rags, so what.
> These savages have been offing each other since that pedophile allah
> shithead twisted their brains into useless monkey shit.
But if the same things had happened during Saddam's regime we
would describe it as genocide. And they didn't happen, and
I'm betting that the final death toll under U.S. occupation
will far surpass that of Saddam's.
Anyway, my intent was to show that lots of newsworthy stuff did
happen in the last week and was ignored by the U.S. media in
favor of the non-issue of an immigration law that won't be
enforced. And Bush declares all of that to be a success story.
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TOPIC: GASOLINE ([PETROL) PRICES WILL JUMP IN PRICE FROM AROUND $1.20 TO $3.29
PER LITER NEXT WEEK !!!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6b0bba95363bd28b
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Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 9:40 am
From: "The Phantom"
Speak of yourself and your lame reply dropkick. Who's using the family brain
cell at the moment you freaking hick.
sheesh, give the guy a break, at least he has something to say,
The phantom
"Dave Turner" <1@2.3> wrote in message news:442a0506$1@quokka.wn.com.au...
> fucken idiot.
>
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TOPIC: Ukrainian version of human rights.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6015a95452eff70d
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Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 1:40 am
From: quas@svitonline.com
In the year 2002 to me came short and brutal cop.
And pushed paper according to whish I had to came to
Olga V. Kochneva cops invistigator.
That one cop with his driver carred me on their car.
Where asked to thank I am sitting on sit, but not laying between sits,
as they usually do.
Olga V. Kochneva way herself out such as everything allowed for her.
For example she told: "you may do anything you like,
but it will be only worst for you". She asked about what and where did
I write
and prohibited me to write. Particularly Olga V. Kochneva promissed
to assemble materials on me, persecute my relatives.
(She seamd to be crazy.
If you'll look for her signature closely, you may see, innatural as for
lady,
freudistic symbol. http://www.is.svitonline.com/quas/kochbigsig.jpg )
She is still working at same position.
I have got not replay for electronic letter to Ministry of Internal
Affairs,
with request to explain her behaviour.
I think Ukraine need monitoring.
--Quas 31 of March
http://quas.co.ua
P.S. May be mr. Grzegorz Kasprzyk from Straz Graniczna (means "boarder
guard")
of Poland will explain behaviour of Olga V. Kochneva from ukrainian
police.
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TOPIC: Turkey Playing with Fire
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f668a4b873506bf3
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Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 9:42 am
From: "Ali Asker"
Turkey Playing with Fire II: Win Win Game
By: Prof Goran Nowicki
Mar 12, 2006
In "Turkey Playing with Fire" [2], I looked at some aspects of
Kurdish-Turkish relations. Since then there have been developments in
Kurdish Turkish relations and the possibility of the visit of President
Barzani to Turkey. In this second part, I look at potential moves in front
of Kurds and Turks in the region. Is there a scenario in which both Turks
and Kurds win? And how to achieve that win-win scenario?
HISTORY OF KURDS AND PERSIANS
For the past 2500 years, Kurds and their ancestors the Medes have been
struggling against the domination of the Persians. Kurds have not given up
the struggle and at the same time they have witnessed the rise and fall of
empires and arrival of new neighbors especially to their North.
Over the past 3500 years, in the north of their territories, they have seen
the rise and fall of the Hittites, the fall and rise of the Persians, and
then the Greeks spearheaded by Alexander and more recently, the rise and
fall of the Ottoman Turks. The last have decided to stay for good and become
Permanent neighbors of the Kurds.
History tells us that the short living northern neighbors of the Kurds have
been a source of threat and a source of opportunity for them. The Hittites
joined the Assyr ians to bring down the Mitanni's first Indo-Iranian
civilization in the world. The Hittites themselves disappeared later and the
Medes successors of Mitanni managed to defeat their Assyrian enemies and
resurrect the glory of Mitanni and establish their capital Hang-Mitanni in
present Hamadan. The past and present names of the city reveal the
transformation of the Mitanni into Mad (i.e. Medes).
The Medes established the second Indo-Iranian civilization in the region and
introduced a satrap-based notion of federalism in government. This is the
time period that the Persians come into the picture and they manage to sneak
their way into the imperial system and replace the Medes rulers in the
empire and corrupt the Mitraism religion of the empire that linked the
empire to the Mit-ra worshiper Mit-annis. The Persians manage to rewrite the
history and to destroy the his tory of ancestors of the Kurds, the Medes and
the Mitannis.
The Persians adopted the federal satrap structure and extended the empire to
new boundaries and even invaded Greece. But the infighting over the empire,
the move towards a more centralized power-sharing brought the inevitable
defeat of the Persians by the Greeks and put an end to more than1000 years
of Mitanni-Medes-Persian empires.
The arrival of Parthians and Romans in the scene started a new cycle in
history of the Kurds who were religiously and linguistically more affiliated
with the Mitra kings (Mitrades =Mehrdad) of Parthia than the later
Zoroastrian Persian Sasanids. Once again the Sasanid Persians manage to
sneak their way into the Parthian imperial system and again corrupt the
federal empire system by gradually bringing a more centralized system and
make it vulnerable to the invasion of Sunni Arabs.
Like Persians, the Kurds became followers of a new religion and they adopted
Sunni Islam. The Persians later gradually converted to Shiism as the Shiite
clergy closely collaborated with the rising Mongols in the region and
eliminated the followers of other Islamic sects to the extent that the Sunni
scholars referred to the Shiites as heretics to be killed.
KURDS, TURKS A ND PERSIANS
In this historical context, we see the arrival of the Turks in present
Turkey and the start of the Safavid-Ottoman era in which Shiism became the
state religion of Safavids and was further strengthened. A new chapter of
collaboration between Kurds and Ottoman Turks started based on religious
grounds. A collaboration that put Sunni Kurds at odds with the Shiite
Persians and put the Sunni Ottoman Turks at odds with Turkmans and Shiite
Turks ruling as Safavid kings.
Although at present the Islamists are in power in both Iran and Turkey, but
the competition between Iran and Turkey is not based on religion as in the
Ottoman-Safavid era, at least from Turkish perspective. Iran plays two
games: playing her Shiism cards for Persians and Azeris and playing Iranian
nationalism card for the Kurds, Baloch and Afghans at the same time.
The Turks after WWI became secular and have not been playing the Sunni
Ottoman card for almost a century. Even now, the Turks are interested in
joining with the Shiite Azeri Turks and Turkmans and playing religious card
will be against that goal, but they can play the Sunni card for Arabs and
Kurds to gain in the region.
The Islamists in power in Turkey play the Turkish nationalist card for
Azeris, but they are making the mistake of playing the same card with Kurds
that put them into conflict with them and turning the game into a zero-sum
game: i.e. Kurdish win is equal to Turkish loss and Kurdish loss is equal to
Turkish win. In reality the game is a loss-loss game for both Kurdish and
Turkish players.
The Turks have been manipulated by the Persians to play this nationalistic
anti-Kurd game in the region and in the background the Persians have
supported the Kurdish struggle in Turkey as a guarantee to distract Turkey
from focusing on Azeri Turkish regions. The Persians have been manipulating
the Kurds too and the situation of the Kurds in Iran clearly shows the real
intentions of the Persians.
Both Kurds and Turks in Turkey are being manipulated by the Persians and
clearly the winner of this game are neither Kurds nor Turks, the winners are
the Persians. The Kurds and Turks are in a loss-loss situation. Are they
aware of this situation and how can they turn the table ?
FROM A LOSS-LOSS to A WIN-WIN GAME
In [2], I highlighted a scenario in which the Kurds and Turks in Turkey will
win if they respect each other's rights and don't rock the boat which is
heading for Turkish EU membership. They can join the EU club together.
Let's assume that that move does not work for different reasons. Is there
another Win-Win strategy for Kurds and Turks in the region? Or they will
decide to fall back to a zero-sum game that only one party can win?
In a zero-sum game, Turkey and his allies will face many difficulties if
they want to win without bringing the Kurds to their side. In [3], I
highlighted a scenario in a zero-sum game in which the Turks will be the
only losers of the developments in Iraq and Iran will be the ultimate winner
of the invasion of Iraq. The question is whether Iran will manage to survive
the remaining term of Bush's presidency to enjoy the fruits of victory in
Afghanistan and Iraq?
So far, the sensitivity of Turkey towards Kurds has prevented interesting
scenarios from materializing and has prevented the US from fully committing
to a strategic relationship with the Kurds in the region. As a result, US is
losing the end game in Iraq and the region; and the present instability and
civil war in Iraq wi ll ultimately put an end to any plan for US to attack
Iran.
As I wrote earlier in [2] "The present focus of Turkey on Kurdish land and
Kurdish oil is against Turkish interests in the region and Turkey instead
should focus on its 30 Millions Azeri kins in Iran, a policy which is more
in line with the developments in the region."
US is partly to blame, because US has failed to alig n the Turkish and
Kurdish interests in the region and bring the two parties on a table to
struck a deal in which both Kurds and Turks win. Such an opportunity
presently exists in Iran if US and the Kurds in coordination with Turkey
spearhead an attack on Iran with the goal of establishing a liberated
government in the western provinces of Iran consisting of Azerbaijan,
Kurdistan, Ilam and Khuzistan.
Such a liberated Zagros region then can decide to exchange the Turkish Azeri
regions in Iran with the Kurdish regions in Turkey and bring some sense and
stability to the whole region. An immediate outcome of such a scenario will
be the collapse of the Iranian regime. Iran after losing its western
non-Persian regions will also be more stable and can concentrate on
establishing a Persian country with links to Persian speaking regions in
Tajikistan and Afghanistan.
This minimal change in the borders will pave the way for creation of a
Turkic speaking union and an Iranian speaking union in the region. So the
outcome of this is a more stable region.
This could be a win-win game and both Kurds and Turks can win in the region
if they learn to play the game together based on the lessons from the 400
Ottoman history of Turkish Kurdish relations in the region.
REFERENCE
[1] Kurds Playing Judo with Turks, Kurdistan Observer, 22 Feb 2003.
[2] Turkey Playing with Fire, Kurdistan Observer, 2 Mar 2005.
[3] Chessboard of Middle East, Kurdistan Observer, 24 May 2005.
http://www.kurdistanobserver.com/
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TOPIC: Illegals: The Cure? Require 'Illegal Alien" Exclusion in Insurance
Policies
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/50d9d24ad2faadf1
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 4:44 am
From: "Jennie"
It is really not fair for taxpayer to pay for their health insurance and
free drugs.
--
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,,1700881,00.html
http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/wounded/gallery.htm
Terrorism can never be erased with force...With force you create more
terrorist... by Jennie
Only way to beat terrorist is to use terrorist tactics...set traps, snipers.
No amount of conventional warfare will work...
Traitors is DC. A traitor is one who betrays one's country, a cause, or a
trust, especially one who commits treason.
Bush has awakened us, the poor and middle class Americans...We are watching
and waiting to cast our votes...
The Constitution says "We the People" not "We the Special Interest Groups."
Americans Vote!
"Æ Gnostic Archon" <nomazzz@no.mo.bush.net> wrote in message
news:e0igk4$6e3l$1@news3.infoave.net...
>
> "Just another American" <abc@def.net> wrote in message
> news:53gp22pn3997ptlgh6lr6nv5pc8pdesfc2@4ax.com...
>> http://www.allanfavish.com/insurance_illegals.htm
>>
>> REQUIRE AN "ILLEGAL ALIEN" EXCLUSION IN INSURANCE POLICIES
>
> Your Bush diversions don't work.
>
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 4:45 am
From: "Jennie"
I think the folks who hire there illegal should split the bill for all the
medical benefits.
--
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,,1700881,00.html
http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/wounded/gallery.htm
Terrorism can never be erased with force...With force you create more
terrorist... by Jennie
Only way to beat terrorist is to use terrorist tactics...set traps, snipers.
No amount of conventional warfare will work...
Traitors is DC. A traitor is one who betrays one's country, a cause, or a
trust, especially one who commits treason.
Bush has awakened us, the poor and middle class Americans...We are watching
and waiting to cast our votes...
The Constitution says "We the People" not "We the Special Interest Groups."
Americans Vote!
"Æ Gnostic Archon" <nomazzz@no.mo.bush.net> wrote in message
news:e0igk4$6e3l$1@news3.infoave.net...
>
> "Just another American" <abc@def.net> wrote in message
> news:53gp22pn3997ptlgh6lr6nv5pc8pdesfc2@4ax.com...
>> http://www.allanfavish.com/insurance_illegals.htm
>>
>> REQUIRE AN "ILLEGAL ALIEN" EXCLUSION IN INSURANCE POLICIES
>
> Your Bush diversions don't work.
>
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TOPIC: What Can Be Done about North Kurdistanis?.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/821e2b7f2c4ee915
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Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 9:45 am
From: "Ali Asker"
What Can Be Done about North Kurdistanis?
By: Adil Al-Baghdadi
It seems that this question is now besotting Turkish political commentators
across the spectrum of the Turkish print and Internet media.
The question refers to the steady - albeit slow - pace of progress in
realizing the rightful Kurdish demands and their impact on Turkish state and
society.
This is the natural order of restitution, which has been long overdue.
No longer able to engage the machine of the state against the Kurdish
nation- thanks to the EU adaptation packages-Turkey's ultranationalist
elements, including the traditionally mainstream right-wing journalists, are
now resorting to whipping up Turkish public opinion against the Kurds.
This is particularly crucial in the days leading up to the Kurdish New Year
Newroz, or Nevruz,* where it's expected that the Democratic Society Party
(DTP) will organize a very big Kurdish New Year's festival, invitations to
which have been sent to both Jalal Talabani and Mas'ud Barzani in their
capacity as the presidents of Iraq and Kurdistan, respectively.
Let's look at how this has been dealt with by the regular columnist in
Hurriyat, Mehmet Y.Yilmaz, who wrote:
"The invitations, which were prepared by the Diyarbakir president of DTP,
were written in Kurdish and refer to Diyarbakir by its Kurdish name, "Amed."
And they address northern Iraq's tribal leader Mesud Barzani by the title
"Seroke herema Kurdistan" or "Kurdistan regional leader." It is clear that
some people who speak about democracy, equality, and brotherhood entertain a
much different situation than the one they speak of in their dreams! What
can I say? May Allah grant them wisdom."
But, actually, to whom should Allah the Almighty give wisdom?
Is it to the people who have been at the receiving end of the most
repressive assimilation policies and bizarre penal codes which have been
used to imprison a Kurdish woman activist for saying "Good Morning" in
Kurdish in a small women's gathering?
Going by this writer's advice, should Allah also grant wisdom to many of
Turkey's world-renowned writers, thinkers, and conscious journalists who
have a thing or two to say about the right path their country should take to
avoid alienation and disfranchisement of the North Kurdistanis in order to
save Turkey from division and ethnic upheaval?
It defies logic that a country which is a candidate for EU and is best
suited to be a role model for all Muslim countries still pursues aggressive
policies, and harbours deep-seated and inexplicable enmity, towards the
Kurds who played an important role in creating the Turkish state.
It is clear that the North Kurdistanis have been emboldened by their
brethrens' achievement in South Kurdistan, and have managed through their
courage and unwavering struggle to overturn many repressive laws and break
every taboo that has been set by 80 years of Ataturk's vision of
homogenizing Turkey into one ethnic race.
There are many lessons to be learned from the history of nations and their
struggle against oppressors-which was not the least, by any standards, for
East Timor, which achieved independence after 80 years of brutal occupation.
So may Allah give Mr Mehmet Yilmaz and others like him the wisdom to
understand that no force can stop the Kurdish nation in its unyielding quest
for freedom in any of the four parts of Kurdistan, including North Kurdistan
in Turkey.
*Nevruz in Turkey has been introduced by the then prime minister of Turkey,
Tansu Ciller, as an old Turkish celebration in order to stem the rise of
Kurdish nationalism and as a symbol of their resistance. However, it's
celebrated only by the Turkish high-ranking officials in government and
military!!
http://www.kurdistanobserver.com/
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TOPIC: property problem in cyprus
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f377487ec0fd62bf
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 1:45 am
From: "Panting Pink Panta"
Agamemnon wrote:
> "serhan" <serhan586@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1143743927.070816.198370@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > All the Geeks of these newsproups, read this below and gatse djehame if
> > you don't like it gatse bano.
> >
> > Just let refugees stay where they are
> >
>
> You are obviously insane.
>
> The property the Greek Cypriots were ethnically cleansed from by the Turks
> is worth more than TEN TIMES the property of the Turkish Cypriots and the
> Greek Cypriot land in the north is the most productive on the island.
>
You are talking SHIT as usual Argywos G Argywou BUT let me remind you
of two things that will haunted your tormented gweek psyche for
eternity
1, Greedy land grabbing GREEKS / GREEK CYPRIOTS started the civil war
that ended in the division of Cyprus
2, To the victor, the spoils !
PWNT !
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 1:46 am
From: "Panting Pink Panta"
Agamemnon wrote:
> "serhan" <serhan586@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1143743927.070816.198370@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > All the Geeks of these newsproups, read this below and gatse djehame if
> > you don't like it gatse bano.
> >
> > Just let refugees stay where they are
> >
>
> You are obviously insane.
>
> The property the Greek Cypriots were ethnically cleansed from by the Turks
> is worth more than TEN TIMES the property of the Turkish Cypriots and the
> Greek Cypriot land in the north is the most productive on the island.
>
You are talking SHIT as usual Argywos G Argywou BUT let me remind you
of two things that will haunt your tormented gweek psyche for eternity
1, Greedy land grabbing GREEKS / GREEK CYPRIOTS started the civil war
that ended in the division of Cyprus
2, To the victor, the spoils !
PWNT !
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TOPIC: Illegals/Amnesty = Modern Day Slavery in the U.S.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5f29a1268a937658
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 4:49 am
From: "Jennie"
As soon as they become legal and want minimum wages millions will loose
there $3-4 dollar a hour job and be on welfare. There companies that
exploit illegal will find new illegal.
--
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,,1700881,00.html
http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/wounded/gallery.htm
Terrorism can never be erased with force...With force you create more
terrorist... by Jennie
Only way to beat terrorist is to use terrorist tactics...set traps, snipers.
No amount of conventional warfare will work...
Traitors is DC. A traitor is one who betrays one's country, a cause, or a
trust, especially one who commits treason.
Bush has awakened us, the poor and middle class Americans...We are watching
and waiting to cast our votes...
The Constitution says "We the People" not "We the Special Interest Groups."
Americans Vote!
"Just another American" <abc@def.net> wrote in message
news:icip22p5set9j59q07n3d252murrefls8g@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 21:43:59 -0800, "Robert" <sabu77@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Just another American" <abc@def.net> wrote in message
>>news:h5ep221k5i805gmjl0eivr58qd3jpa4tdj@4ax.com...
>>> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1606530/posts?q=1&&page=151
>>>
>>> In the old way of slavery, the slaves' 'wages' went to their
>>> previous owners and their overseers.
>>>
>>> They also went to their housing, meals, etc. Modern-day slavery
>>> has eliminated the initial outlay for purchasing and transporting
>>> your slaves. They now come to you.
>>>
>>> The elimination of this initially large outlay has opened the doors
>>> for smaller businesses to take advantage of modern slavery. No
>>> longer are the financial resources of a large plantation required to
>>> finance purchasing of new laborers when you've worked the old ones
>>> to death.
>>>
>>> Overhead such as housing and overseers has also been eliminated.
>>> Slaves now 'care' for themselves, finding small shelters where they
>>> pack as many of themselves inside as possible for shelter from the
>>> elements so they can save drastically on housing costs.
>>>
>>> This also gives modern day slave owners the formerly unheard of
>>> ability (under the old pre-1860s slavery) to trade in their weaker,
>>> sick, or lazy slaves for new ones who've just arrived at no expense.
>>>
>>> This then allows modern-day slave owners to split up the money that
>>> would have otherwise been spent on these ongoing expenses to pay
>>> ridiculously small 'wages' to their slaves, who then send much of
>>> that money home to keep their families alive.
>>>
>>> And that, folks, is the replacement for the whip-wielding overseer.
>>> Work for me, as long and hard as I tell you, for whatever I feel
>>> like paying you, or your family will starve. In some ways, modern
>>> slavery is worse than what we abolished 150 years ago.
>>>
>>Then why do these "slaves" enter the US illegally if things are so bad?
>
> The problem is with the degradation of US sovereignty, rule of law,
> and the enrichment of the elitist slave owners to the detriment of
> American workers.
>
> See my sig below..
>
> --
> "The elite class in America is becoming a ruling class and they've made
> enough money by hiring cheap illegal labor that they think they also
> have some kind of a right to cheap servants to manicure their nails
> and their lawn, for example."
>
> "So this ruling class, this new ruling class of America, is expanding
> a servant class in America at the expense of the middle class of
> America, the blue collar of America that used to be able to punch a
> time clock, buy a modest house and raise their families. ... Those
> young people are cut out of this process." Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa)
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/print?id=1787765
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TOPIC: "Greek Cypriots' violence against their own fellow"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/eff3304c85e6c69e
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 1:58 am
From: "Panting Pink Panta"
June R Harton wrote:
> <nbatra@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:1142559687.661918.189720@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > The Turkish govt does not command their votes.
>
> Silly. They follow exactly what the military tell them, and everyone knows
> it.
> That translates as the Turkish Government tried to take over the whole of
> Cyprus by the Annan scam because Kofi Annan is a Nazi Turk
>
>
>
>
>
> from: Spirit of Metaxa
>
> (using June's e-mail to communicate to BORE THE SHIT OUT OF you
http://www.mysharefile.com/v/7952893/1_june_r_harton.wav.html
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TOPIC: Tensiaons are rising again this time in Hakkari Kurdistan
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5dfcb979f42f1b02
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:02 am
From: "Ali Asker"
Artisans has not opened shops in Yuksekova
COLOMERG(DIHA) - Artisans in Hakkari's Yuksekova district by not opening
shops had condemned intervention of police to people in Diyarbakir who made
demonstrations to protest killing of 14 members of HPG.
After the call by Democratic people 's Initiative yesterday, artisans in
Yuksekova has not opened shops for support to protests in Diyarbakir. People
has begun to gather in the center of district where all shops are closed. In
the district where security forces has taken measures in many points, young
people are gathering in streets with sticks and stones. Tension continues in
the district.
31.03.2006
http://www.kurdishinfo.com/
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TOPIC: Conservatives for 9/11 Truth
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/7442d75baa2e1b2b
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 6:07 pm
From: "Observer"
"pluto" <pluto@yahoo.com.sg> wrote in message
news:ti7p22p9u2cokv85fd7o8g1mi8l0m1tmst@4ax.com...
> >It just does not add up that the general population would be happy
> >with, or party to a cover-up or a poor investigation.
> >
> >So what happened?
> hmm artie and observer,
> very interesting observations.
> i have not thought of this steel business being carted post haste.
> is this another "conspiracy theory" on the rise?
As artie said, I'm not interested in conspiracy
theories, just the ANSWERS to the questions
posed by many cynics.
It is very troubling as a scientist or engineer that
you find no reasonable explanation to their
questions. And that you know, based on all the
training and expertise that you have, that certain
things touted as being the "truth" (aka official explanation)
is close to impossible.
As to WHY these things happened, I'm not here
to find the answers, because it would be a waste
of time because it would just be hearsay and speculation.
However I am interested in proveable FACTS.
Facts like it took 8.4 secs for WTC to fall.
Facts like there has NEVER been ANY other
building that collapse in a similar manner under
WORSE conditions.
Now the carting of material evidence from WTC
is a well known FACT. It not speculation. Its not
hearsay. It was in fact widely reported.
And that NOBODY including scientists were
allowed to examine even the steel debris.
All I can conclude is that this is NOT consistent
to how past sites of plane crashes or other disasters
are processed anywhere or anytime before 911.
As to WHY its done that way, I'm not going
to speculate.
You and everybody else have to figure that one
out for yourself.
> how come this discussion does not include some "experts" in
> soc.culture.thai?? ;-)))
Maybe they're all tied up at the demo
downtown?
LOL.
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TOPIC: 500,000 immigration advocates march in Los Angelos
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a7922568c71505bc
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 5:10 am
From: "Scout" <4guns@adelphia.removeme.this2.nospam.net>
"Bo Raxo" <forensics@earthcorp.removethistoreply.com> wrote in message
news:E0ZWf.1203$i41.728@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
> <aklon3@attbi.com> wrote in message
> news:1143748555.689287.192180@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Bo Raxo wrote:
>> > >
>> > > But, you got the point, didn't you? Right?
>> > >
>> >
>> > That you're a racist who just assumes things in order to support your
>> > preconceived notions?
>> >
>> > Yeah, I got that. In spades, pardon the pun.
>>
>>
>> No, you didn't get it. We're talking *illegal aliens* and who gives a
>> shit what race color or creed they are? They're fukken ILLEGAL.
>>
>
> They committed a misdemeanor by illegally crossing the border. You're
> getting so worked up you'd think it was a murder.
And continue in their crime every day they are here.
So why shouldn't I get worked up about someone that violated the law and
continues to do so each and every minute of every day?
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TOPIC: The Iranian government is strong. But not that strong
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/8c10d62da8f0403e
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 10:17 am
From: "Ali Asker"
MotherJones.com - "The Iranian government is strong. But not that strong.":
In the mountains with a Kurdish opposition group trying to bring democracy
to Iran.
KANDIL / 29 March 2006 / by David Enders
The simple, cinderblock and sod-roof, dwellings of the Party for Free Life
in Kurdistan (PJAK) don't look much different from those of the surrounding
villages in Iraq's Zagros mountains. The plumbing is outdoors and the water
comes from mountain streams. Nor do the men and women in the village look
much different from those elsewhere in the region-most wear traditional
Kurdish clothing, baggy coveralls sashed at the waist, and it's not uncommon
to see people with Kalashnikovs slung over their shoulders.
It's only in conversation that the men and women of the PJAK camp, most of
whom hail from Iran, begin to distinguish themselves from Iraqi Kurds, who
tend to be subsistence farmers with little education. My first night in the
PJAK camp, I was treated to a broken-English crash course in the group's
ideology-a variant of democratic socialism combined with a call for the
Iranian government to adhere to the European Union's convention on human
rights.
The group has been exiled to the mountains of northern Iraq during its
struggle to bring democracy to Iran, but the members of PJAK remain
surprisingly optimistic. They began organizing underground cells and
demonstrating in Iran in the mid-1990s, but after facing persecution by the
Tehran government in 1999, many members fled and set up a base in Kandeel.
In 2004, the group began carrying out small-arms attacks inside Iran against
military targets, in response to Iranian aggression against Kurds in the
country's western provinces. BBC Persia reported that PJAK killed 120
Iranian police officers during a six-month period in 2005. It is currently
one of the largest-if not the largest-Iranian opposition group, claiming
4,000 members in Kandeel and thousands more inside Iran.
PJAK claims that its numbers have risen steadily since its formation, and
that its existence is convincing many of Iran's approximately 3.7 million
Kurds-about 7 percent of the country's total population-that the theocratic
government in Tehran can be challenged both militarily and politically.
"The Iranian government is strong," says Akif Zagros, 28, a former
journalist and a founding member of PJAK. "But not that strong."
Since the creation of modern Iran, the Kurdish minority inside the country
has endured oppression-as have Kurds in neighboring countries. The Islamic
Revolution in 1979 initiated a jihad by the Shiite government against the
Sunni Kurds. Iran's Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, declared
that Kurds were not autonomous and had no reason to seek cultural rights.
Such discrimination continues to this day. Kurds in Iran, for instance, are
not allowed to receive Kurdish-language education in school-as was the case
in Saddam Hussein's Iraq and, until 2004, in Turkey.
In addition to cultural discrimination, Iranian Kurds complain that they do
not receive the same services-such as petrol subsidies-as Iranians in other
parts of the country, and that the Kurdish provinces, despite being
oil-rich, are economically depressed.
Iran's previous president, Mohamed Khatami, attempted to reverse some of
this discrimination by including Kurds in the government, authorizing the
creation of Kurdish-language chairs at universities, and easing restrictions
against Kurdish political activity. But these small steps have been reversed
with the election of hardline president Mahmoud Ahmedinejad last year.
PJAK's location in Kandeel is remote-to get to the leadership, one must ride
to the end of a two-track road accessible only by 4x4, and then hike for a
few hours. But that has not discouraged many young Iranian Kurds from
seeking refuge here.
"If I hadn't left Iran, I might have been hanged," says 24-year-old Karwan
Agri, a computer engineering student from Markezi in western Iran. Agri says
he was part of a PJAK cell at his university, and decided to flee Iran and
travel to Kandeel two months ago, after Ahmedinejad's election and a
subsequent increase in crackdowns on members of Kurdish political parties.
PJAK in particular has received much attention because of its latter-day
militancy.
"After Ahmedinejad's election, the situation changed. Freedoms that had
existed in Iran before, under Khatami, disappeared. There is now an
atmosphere of violence. Eighty percent of university students are opposed to
Ahmedinijad's ideology. I know more than 100 students who have left to the
mountains since his election."
Zagros says PJAK's armed operations only target the Iranian military and
police in response to aggression against Kurds. (To date, there is no
evidence that the group ever engages in terrorism against civilians.)
"Defense takes two forms. Some of it is organized here, some of it is
organized spontaneously by people in Iranian Kurdistan," he says.
PJAK isn't seeking independence for Iran's Kurdish provinces; rather, the
group is calling for an end to the rule by mullahs in Tehran. It is the only
Kurdish group in Iran calling openly for the government to reform, although
Zagros says his group would negotiate with the mullahs if the latter were
willing to end Iran's discrimination against its Kurdish population.
"If the Iranian government accepts our demands, we are ready to talk to
them," he says.
In the meantime, the group is focusing on assisting and empowering the
Iranian population.
"PJAK supports helping people get off heroin," said Diller, a Kurd from
Mariwan, a western Iranian city where PJAK is active. (There are currently
an estimated three-to-four million heroin addicts in Iran.) Diller, who is
not a member of PJAK, works on the dangerous smuggling route from Iraq to
Iran, carrying contraband alcohol across the border because, he says, there
is no other employment. "The Iranian government doesn't care about Kurds.
They don't supply our cities with the same services they do for the
Shiites."
Like the better-known Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) in Turkey, which
advocates for an independent Kurdish homeland, and which has used these
mountains as a base since 1991 in a guerrilla war against the Turkish
government that has claimed more than 30,000 lives, a major component of
PJAK's fight is for women's rights.
"Our aim is to be an alternative to the leadership of Iran, and we organize
women toward this aim. The Iranian government deprives women of their
freedom," says 26-year-old Golistan Dugan, a female member of the group's
leadership council. "Here in the mountains the women are organized."
Dugan left Iran in 1999, in the wake of Kurdish demonstrations following the
arrest of PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan in Turkey. The protests provoked
crackdowns by Tehran.
PJAK members claim 45 percent of their membership is female.
"We want not only to include Kurdish women but also Iranian women," Dugan
says.
Women in PJAK receive the same political education and military training
that the men do, and "daughter guerillas" have participated in the attacks
against Iran that began in 2004.
According to the group's charter, 12 of the 21 members of PJAK's elected
legislative council must be women; as well, three of the seven members of
the leadership council, selected from the legislative council, are women.
The group also has three educational subcommittees-focusing on secular
democratic education for youth, democracy, and women.
"We send [the people we train] back to Iran to organize underground among
the women, young people and university students," Zagros says.
Many of the group's members say they are inspired by Ocalan, and pictures of
him and his wife-as well as those of Vian Jaff, a PKK member who recently
self herself on fire in Turkey-adorn the walls of PJAK dwellings. But unlike
the PKK, the members of PJAK eschew Kurdish nationalist rhetoric, and would
prefer a democratic Iran to the formation of a greater Kurdistan.
Zagros says the PJAK, which counts membership abroad in the Kurdish diaspora
in Europe and Russia-which is a major source of the group's funding-has had
contact with other Iranian dissidents, including the Mujahideen e-Khalq
(MEK), a communist opposition group whose members inside Iraq continue to
languish in U.S. custody at Camp Ashraf near the Iranian border, where they
have been since shortly after the invasion.
"There is just talk, a primitive agreement, but in our plan there is a
widening agreement," Zagros says, declining to elaborate further.
Both the MEK and the PKK remain on the State Department's list of terrorist
organizations, but the Iranian government has accused the U.S. of supporting
PJAK. Zagros denies this, saying the group has had no contact with the US
military or diplomats.
"Our demand is democracy-we accept and welcome [American] support," Zagros
says. "But only in accordance with the interests of Kurdish people."
At a PKK base on the other side of the mountain, Abdul Rahman Chaderchi, a
member of the PKK's political council, confirms the PKK's support for PJAK
and decries the U.S. government's hypocrisy in supporting autonomy for
Iraq's Kurds but not for other groups.
"We want the U.S. to see all Kurds with the same eyes," he says.
Kandeel is essentially under PKK control-as one gets deeper into the
mountains, checkpoints manned by the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, the party
loyal to Iraqi president Jalal Talabani, give way to PKK outposts. The PUK
avoids putting pressure the PKK because of both local sympathies for Kurdish
national groups and the fact that it wants to avoid sparking armed conflict.
PJAK says they have no relationship with the PUK, and Zagros criticized the
autocratic nature of Iraq's Kurdish parties.
"This ideology is opposite to ours," he says.
The PJAK leadership would like to receive the same level of support from the
United States that the PUK enjoys, although the specter of an American
military intervention in Iran makes some PJAK members uneasy.
"Outside intervention is not good for Iran right now, because the people are
not ready for it, and it might be damaging," says Agri, the former
computer-engineering student.
Regardless of what happens on the international stage, however, Zagros says
that, for now, the group is planning a response to the arrests of Kurds in
Iran during Nowruz-the traditional Zoroastrian new year, celebrated by Kurds
and Persians on the vernal equinox on March 21.
"The party is allowed to respond to the blood of a martyr," Zagros says
http://www.flash-bulletin.de/index.html
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TOPIC: "We are the TERRORISTS..."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/19537260e534dde
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 2:22 am
From: "Panting Pink Panta"
Mhitsos wrote:
> rick murphy wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > "From: Ali Asker (pasa_asker@lycos.com)
> > Subject: Re: Kuwerdish contribution to Oscar 2005
> > This is the only article in this thread
> > View: Original Format
> > Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian, soc.culture.kurdish,
> > soc.culture.turkish, soc.culture.iraq
> > Date: 2004-10-02 04:55:12 PST
> >
> >
> > We are the TERRORISTS...
> >
> > We will divide Iran, Turkey, Syria and Iraq in to the pieces until
> > ever single individual is free from thought control, torture and
> > brain-washing! Every nation should have their own land where they can
> > practice their own culture. Iran has consist of about 20 some
> > different nations and we will tore them in to 20 different countries
> > and give mollahs a small land where they can practice their barbaric
> > religion to themselves and only harm temselves.
> >
> > WE WILL BREAK IRAN IN TO THE PIECES!!! "
> >
> >
> > ++++++++++++++++++
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.turkses.com/index.asp
> >
> >
> >
> > The Terror Organization KADEK
> >
> > 1. General
> >
> > Historical Background
> >
> > The initial activities regarding the terror organization PKK have
> > started with the intellectual activities of some students defending the
> > Marxist-Leninist ideology within the Ankara's Democratic Patriotic
> > Students Association (ADYÖD) under the leadership of Abdullah ÖCALAN
> > since 1973.
> >
> > Abdullah ÖCALAN and his friends declared the setting up of the
> > Kurdistan's Workers Party (PKK) during an illegal meeting held in the
> > Diyarbakir province, Lice district, Fis village on November 27, 1978
> > which was called 1 st. Congress.
> >
> > The inital documents stating PKK's aim were the "The Way Of
> > Kurdistan's Revolution-Manifesto" and party program published in 1978.
> > According to the said program, the aim of the terror organization is to
> > found initially an independent Marxist-Leninist Kurdistan
>
> We don't want marxism so lets declare them " terrorists
Hey MooMoo, they killed 30,000 Turkish Kurd civiillians already, how
many more do they need to massacre to become GOOD Marxists ?
Dzherzhinsky was a Marxist, how many did he massacre ? 20 million or so
give or take ? They should have sent him to grease !
*LMFAOAY*
http://media.putfile.com/moo33
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TOPIC: India's thorium reserves could provide all energy for hundreds of years
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ac57e00c949673ec
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 2:24 am
From: "Giuseppe"
<puppet_sock@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:1143500725.394504.240650@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Giuseppe wrote:
>> "Puppet_Sock" <puppet_sock@hotmail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
> [snip]
>> > The inventory
>> > at the plant is only about 70 cubic meters per reactor.
> [snip]
>> My number is an inventory of heavy water of 0,6-0,7 per kWe installed in
>> Candu reactors.Is it correct?
>
> Um, I'm sorry. I can't read your symbols there.
>
> The inventory of D2O at a CANDU has several important parts.
Definitely,don't you think is heavy water production a more energy intensive
process than uranium enrichment?Consider nowadays centrifuge enrichment
plants consume about 70-80 kWh per separative work unit (against 2500
kWh/Swu of older diffusion plants),I don't know exactly about heavy water
production,same numbers are in the range of per kg that seems higher than
uranium enrichment in centrifuge plants,for example:
http://iei-asia.org/IEI-CISED-IndNukeVsOtherCosts.pdf (pag 20)
http://www.energymanagertraining.com/eca2005/Award2005CD/05Chemicals/HeavyWaterPlantKota.pdf
>> Only if you consider as "waste" tails uranium enrichment,but I didn't do
>> so.HWRs discharge uranium at a burnup of 7,9 GWd/tonn while HTGR at
>> nearly
>> 100 GWd/t and its waste stream plutonium has not military features.They
>> are
>> very important differences
>
> That's the high level waste. This is really not that big an issue.
> At CANDUs it gets stored on site for the life of the plant, using
> up a pool at each end of the station. It could stay there for as
> long as necessary, then go for geologic disposal. It's really
> not that large a volume.
I don't agree.I think high level waste is the ONLY one issue!Medium and low
level waste is a matter of mass or volume (and it's quite the same in both
case,maybe lower in Htr),not of "quality"
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TOPIC: REAL conservatives need to speak up!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9c8a065dd2a7418e
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 2:27 am
From: Charles Aulds
On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 20:48:16 -0800, liberalhere wrote:
> And at the pinnacle of your political and religious success, you decide
> the country sucks and move to Canada. Whada surprise. For years
> liberals have warned conservatives that they won't want to live in a
> country run as they want it run.
Condemn me all you want; I won't run from it. But I realized my mistake
well before the 2004 election and I did NOT vote for Bush's relection in
November 2004. What I find apalling is that so many others weren't able to
perceive, by that late date, how badly we were being misled by this
presidential administration. It was one thing to support this
president based on his words ... quite another to continue that support
based on his demonstrated actions.
We all saw the same thing; in hindsight, it's glaringly obvious what was
happening ... because we see the results.
For what it's worth, I'm deeply regretful about the part I played in this,
and my vote in 2000.
I will continue to vote in Alabama and US national elections (by absentee
ballot). With more care.
Charles
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TOPIC: TURKISH ARMY SURROUNDED TURDISTAN!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e1f3354707a6067e
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Date: Fri, Mar 31 2006 2:29 am
From: "Panting Pink Panta"
Mhitsos wrote:
> Ali Asker wrote:
>
> > TURKISH ARMY SURROUNDED TURDISTAN!!!
> >
> > Turdish guerilla's did not made any statements but they too, expected to DIE like good terrorist scum
>
> You have to make it to the news in Europe and other countries otherwise
> the Turks will genocide you like they did the Armenians, Assyrians and
> others.
Hahahahahhahahahahaarrrr you live on the planet MOO !
*LMFAOAY*
http://media.putfile.com/moo33
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