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* Iran has A Nuke And Israelis Are Shtting In Their Pants haha - 1 messages, 1
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* International Stuff - 1 messages, 1 author
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* nada de esto les es PROHIBIDO los emigrantes dominicanos, mexicanos,
haitianos...pero si a los cubanos en su isla gulag...POR ESO SE ESCAPAN DE A
COMO DE LUGAR. ! - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Iran has A Nuke And Israelis Are Shtting In Their Pants haha
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/958f1b76e584a34e
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 12 2006 11:12 pm
From: "serwad"
> It may appear to the mad mullahs that 3% enrichment of Uranium is
> nuclear capable.
It is a good start! And you do not really know what they have, now! Do you?
> Israel has had the Arabs attempting to attack them for a number of
> times
That is typical ZioNazi lie!
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TOPIC: International Stuff
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5d1b6b36a66fef20
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 12 2006 8:14 pm
From: "marika"
Frank Kalder wrote:
>
> Of course!
> However, you wrote: "...I will commit suicide instead of putting up
> with crap". That's why I tried to be somehow helpful...
I am not sure that you can help me unless you build me a metro and give
me a job that can sustain me in the inflationary universe that I live
in yet doesn't tax me to the point of exhaustion.
No. I didn't think so.
Anyway.
I believe that if society can't provide adequate infrastructure for
people like me then they don't value our skills and that we are
considered not valuable enough to sustain. Therefore, unless and until
the society can provide me what I need to have a half decent life, the
only thing that makes me feel that I am not a drain on society is my
parents. And when they are gone, I will feel like a drain on society
and probably will end the struggle. it's not that complicated.
> > >
> > > As you do like to write [at the usenet] you might perhaps use your
> > > talent to become an author or columnist as a free-lance journalist for
> > > a number of papers or online-news providers (etc).
> >
> > I don't like to write. I write all day. I get paid to write all day.
> > I don't want to be a free lance journalist it doesn't interest me at
> > all. I write on usenet when I am tired and lonely because my vision no
> > longer grants me the right to do social things that I used to do with
> > great frequency. I would rather hang out with people all day long.
> > But as I can't here is the internet to give me a virtual chance at it.
> > If I were doing that, hanging out with people all day long, I'd never
> > write. I'd never find a reason to write. It would never occur to me
> > to do so.
> >
> > The visual impairment plus the long hours prevent a social life. Hence
> > I write.
> >
>
> Duly noted!
>
> > > >
> > > > "it's a good thing that my role in this dialogue is aesthetics (as
> > > > such) and not predictions, because back in December I was one of those
> > > > yo-yos who was saying there was no way there'd be a transit strike in
> > > > New York
> > >
> > > Who said so? It was perhaps interrupted.
> >
> > It was interrupted. It was a film critic comparing his predictive
> > powers at the time of oscars, denney I think.
> >
> > It would be nice if every morning was a crisp orange morning but
> > mostly they are dull grey and soggy
> > i'd rather have a salmon sky refracting sunlight, but smog I walk
> > through while these big city residents pretend they have a transit
> > system
> > almost eerie as the natural gas burning bus makes that bizarre ooooof
> > noise as it turns the corner
> > and I remember that once upon a time in Roanoke I used to warm the car
> > and will do so in the future quite soon
> > heading south to meet and greet,
> > stimulate the economy
> >
> Sounds rather poetic :
>
> > "i'mot going to be chasing down 25 year old guys and punching them out.
> > Because like any other audience member, I don't want to run that far or
> > that fast. I don't run after anything anymore. But I am having those
> > kind of thoughts now about that project, the longer it takes to come
> > along -- do I really want to get in shape to do that?"--Samuel Jackson
> >
> OK.
>
>
> Celebrating "German-American Friendship"
> at Mainz on 9th April:
> http://www.allgemeine-zeitung.de/region/objekt.php3?artikel_id=2343766
>
it is so nice. I see how you might feel.
mk5000
"long may they ride"--nigel j burrell re TEmplar Knights of the Blind
Dead Collection
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TOPIC: nada de esto les es PROHIBIDO los emigrantes dominicanos, mexicanos,
haitianos...pero si a los cubanos en su isla gulag...POR ESO SE ESCAPAN DE A
COMO DE LUGAR. !
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c157b0e5f08093e4
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 12 2006 10:58 pm
From: "PM"
nada de esto les es PROHIBIDO los emigrantes dominicanos, mexicanos,
haitianos...pero si a los cubanos en su isla gulag...POR ESO SE ESCAPAN DE
A COMO DE LUGAR. !
VERBOTTEN !!!!
Entre las innumerables prohibiciones que existen en este infierno que es
Cuba, se pueden citar las siguientes:
1- El pueblo no puede expresar sus opiniones libremente ya que si éstas van
contra del sistema
los "violadores" serás castigados con la cárcel y otras represalias.
2- Las estaciones de radio, TV, prensa plana y todos los medios masivos de
comunicación solo pueden transmitir y publicar lo que los asesores del
gobierno les orienten so pena de castigo.
3- Todas las manifestaciones del arte tienen que regirse por las
orientaciones políticas del Ministerio de Cultura que prohibe la libre
expresión y regula las mismas.
4- Es ilegal leer libros u otro tipo de literatura que el sistema entienda
que tiene "diversionismo ideológico" contra su doctrina
5- Es ilegal usar ropa que haga alguna alusión a algo positivo de los
Estados Unidos
6- Es ilegal ver televisión extranjera con antenas parabólicas construidas
al efecto o escuchar la radio de Miami.
7- El pueblo cubano no tiene acceso al internet
8- Es ilegal consumir carne de res ya que el gobierno no la suministra ya
que la tiene destinada solo para el turismo y si alguien la adquiere, la
vende o la consume puede ser castigado hasta con 20 años de prisión.
9- Está prohibido vender o comprar casas.
10- Está prohibido permutar casas
11- Está prohibido hacer enmiendas en tu propia casa sin un permiso del
gobierno
12- El pueblo no puede entrar a hoteles, playas e instalaciones turísticas
que están reservadas para extranjeros
13- No es recomendable relacionarse con extranjeros aunque sean de la
familia
14- No es recomendable cartearse o tener relaciones con extranjeros
15- Está prohibido vender o comprar comida a particulares sin autorización
del gobierno
16- Las personas con creencias religiosas son mal miradas y consideradas
como enemigos potenciales
17- Esta prohibido entrar y salir del país libremente aunque se posean los
medios para viajar
18- Las personas que progresan o mejoran económicamente pueden ser acusadas
de ostentación o enriquecimiento ilícito ya que todos, excepto la clase
élite dominante, deben ser pobres miserables.
19- Es obligado impartir una educación politizada.
20- Es obligado asistir a reuniones políticas tanto de los sindicatos en los
trabajos como de los Comités de Defensa en cada cuadra o calle.
21- Es obligado estudiar los discursos de Fidel Castro en centros de
trabajos y cuadras.
22- Es obligado asistir a desfiles y marchas políticas.
23- Es obligado asistir a todas las celebraciones políticas del régimen.
24- Es obligado asisitir a maniobras militares organizadas por las Milicias
de Tropas Territoriales.
25- Es obligado contribuir financieramente con las Milicias de Tropas y con
los Comités de Defensa.
26- Es obligado hacer guardias nocturnas en centros de trabajo y cuadras.
27- Es de asistencia obligada, cuando se programe, salir a limpiar la calle
o a desyerbar áreas verdes
28- Es ilegal buscar y traer comida como leche, carne de puerco o plátanos
del campo aunque sean para consumo familiar
29- Es ilógico y contraproducente el aspirar a un buen trabajo, posición o
carrera si no se apoya incondicionalmente al gobierno de forma concreta.
30- Es inaceptable ser imparcial con la ideología del sistema o "apático" en
la participación en las actividades impuestas por el régimen
31- Está prohibido formar partidos políticos u organizar cualquier grupo
opositor al régimen.
32- Es imposible aspirar a votaciones en elecciones libres
33- Está prohibido para los cubanos entrar o adquirir productos en las
tiendas para turistas.
34- Es obligado, a pesar de los pesares, desmentir todo este dolor y jurar
que es es feliz allí!
35- Es recomendable guardar en secreto los deseos o arreglos de irse del
pais para mantener
el trabajo, la escuela y la posición de cada cual para evitar represalias y
no morir de hambre antes de tiempo.
Es muy aconsejable echar las culpas de todos estos errores, imposiciones y
locuras del sistema a los Estados Unidos y mantenerse a flote con una
saludable doble moral hasta que aparezca una salida del país
segura y confiable que libre al cubano de su tortura siempre y cuando el
comandante siga vivo. De ahí que por la TV los latinoamericanos no cubanos
vean a "un pueblo combatiente" desfilando y se crean que van voluntariamente
y que apoyan al régimen y asi sigue el país, con un pueblo moribundo,
callado a la fuerza, con un exilio desorientado y dividido mal ayudado por
los americanos y con la indiferencia de la opinión pública mundial que está
impunemente presenciando el exterminio de una raza frente a sus propias
narices.
MARIO J TORRES
ABRIL 2006
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CALLES DE LA HABANA: (ESTE WEBSITE ES UNA JOYA)--
por MARIO J TORRES
La palabra alemana "prohibido" muy repetida por los nazis a mediados del
siglo XX, ha tomado vida de nuevo en la triple dictadura que sufren los
cubanos en lo político-económico y social bajo el implacable, caprichoso y a
la vez criminal e intransigente yugo de su verdugo Fidel Castro en la mayor
de las islas del Caribe.
En Cuba, aparte del inconcebible atraso medieval en que su loco gobernante
ha sumido a su pueblo donde la gente anda hambreada, desesperada,
practicamente en harapos y ya increiblemente convertidos en casi su
totalidad en mendigos de tanques de basura que miran al cielo como buscando
un milagro ya que viven en una tierra árida sin recursos ni esperanza, donde
un diabólico payaso, al que no le importa que su pueblo huya de él al precio
de sus vidas, borró la prosperidad de su faz, destruyó sus campos, cultivos,
minas y centrales azucareros, aniquiló todo valor moral, patriótico, social
y económico y en su nefasto juego tratando de modificar hasta la Naturaleza,
ha tornado el país en un desierto donde ni la lluvia ya cae, existe, como ni
ya lo anterior fuera poco, el mayor número de prohibiciones y falta de
libertades imaginables en un país civilizado del siglo XXI.
Ni famosos dictadores de otrora como Francisco Franco en España, Augusto
Pinochet en Chile que tuvieron dictaduras políticas pero dejaron hacer en
otras esferas de la vida como la económica y social, se pueden igualar a
este monstruo del Caribe. Ni el mismo Hitler, que fue responsable de tantas
muertes en el mundo, dejó de respetar tanto al pueblo alemán como este
traidor a la nacionalidad cubana ha hecho, humillando y destruyendo como una
epidemia maligna a su propio pueblo y a sus valores con un cementerio
particular de más de 150 000 muertes a su haber y en su consciencia, entre
fusilados, torturados, eliminados, desaparecidos, ahogados en el estrecho de
la Florida intentando huir en balsa del castigo, volados por las minas de la
Base de Guantánamo, muertos en misiones "internacionalistas" entre otros y
con más de 2 millones de nacionales cubanos fuera de la isla, huyendo de su
garra mortífera de 47 años de absoluta esclavitud y penitencia para tres
generaciones de cubanos.
Un hombre que descaradamente no quiere reconocer que nadie toma una balsa,
sacrificándolo todo y se tira al mar para huir de una democracia pero que de
su infierno dan la vida por escabullirse. Un hombre con una fortuna amasada
en base al sufrimiento, muerte y destrucción de su pueblo y que no se
remuerde de ello. Un hombre que se deshace como en una olla de presión de
los elementos que sabe pueden desestabilizarlo, periódicamente inventando y
provocando oleadas migratorias masivas para su conveniencia. Un hombre más
diabólico que el Cardenal Richelieu experto en eliminar enemigos, en tejer
intrigas, en convencer y engañar. Ni dándole un disparo por cada centímetro
cuadrado de su cuerpo se podrá hacer justicia con un ser que no ha dudado en
torturar a todo un pueblo en vida para perpetuarse en el poder y un juicio
al estilo de aquel de Nurenberg se necesita para un justiciero ajuste de
cuentas.
Entre las innumerables prohibiciones que existen en este infierno que es
Cuba, se pueden citar las siguientes:
1- El pueblo no puede expresar sus opiniones libremente ya que si éstas van
contra del sistema
los "violadores" serás castigados con la cárcel y otras represalias.
2- Las estaciones de radio, TV, prensa plana y todos los medios masivos de
comunicación solo pueden transmitir y publicar lo que los asesores del
gobierno les orienten so pena de castigo.
3- Todas las manifestaciones del arte tienen que regirse por las
orientaciones políticas del Ministerio de Cultura que prohibe la libre
expresión y regula las mismas.
4- Es ilegal leer libros u otro tipo de literatura que el sistema entienda
que tiene "diversionismo ideológico" contra su doctrina
5- Es ilegal usar ropa que haga alguna alusión a algo positivo de los
Estados Unidos
6- Es ilegal ver televisión extranjera con antenas parabólicas construidas
al efecto o escuchar la radio de Miami.
7- El pueblo cubano no tiene acceso al internet
8- Es ilegal consumir carne de res ya que el gobierno no la suministra ya
que la tiene destinada solo para el turismo y si alguien la adquiere, la
vende o la consume puede ser castigado hasta con 20 años de prisión.
9- Está prohibido vender o comprar casas.
10- Está prohibido permutar casas
11- Está prohibido hacer enmiendas en tu propia casa sin un permiso del
gobierno
12- El pueblo no puede entrar a hoteles, playas e instalaciones turísticas
que están reservadas para extranjeros
13- No es recomendable relacionarse con extranjeros aunque sean de la
familia
14- No es recomendable cartearse o tener relaciones con extranjeros
15- Está prohibido vender o comprar comida a particulares sin autorización
del gobierno
16- Las personas con creencias religiosas son mal miradas y consideradas
como enemigos potenciales
17- Esta prohibido entrar y salir del país libremente aunque se posean los
medios para viajar
18- Las personas que progresan o mejoran económicamente pueden ser acusadas
de ostentación o enriquecimiento ilícito ya que todos, excepto la clase
élite dominante, deben ser pobres miserables.
19- Es obligado impartir una educación politizada.
20- Es obligado asistir a reuniones políticas tanto de los sindicatos en los
trabajos como de los Comités de Defensa en cada cuadra o calle.
21- Es obligado estudiar los discursos de Fidel Castro en centros de
trabajos y cuadras.
22- Es obligado asistir a desfiles y marchas políticas.
23- Es obligado asistir a todas las celebraciones políticas del régimen.
24- Es obligado asisitir a maniobras militares organizadas por las Milicias
de Tropas Territoriales.
25- Es obligado contribuir financieramente con las Milicias de Tropas y con
los Comités de Defensa.
26- Es obligado hacer guardias nocturnas en centros de trabajo y cuadras.
27- Es de asistencia obligada, cuando se programe, salir a limpiar la calle
o a desyerbar áreas verdes
28- Es ilegal buscar y traer comida como leche, carne de puerco o plátanos
del campo aunque sean para consumo familiar
29- Es ilógico y contraproducente el aspirar a un buen trabajo, posición o
carrera si no se apoya incondicionalmente al gobierno de forma concreta.
30- Es inaceptable ser imparcial con la ideología del sistema o "apático" en
la participación en las actividades impuestas por el régimen
31- Está prohibido formar partidos políticos u organizar cualquier grupo
opositor al régimen.
32- Es imposible aspirar a votaciones en elecciones libres
33- Está prohibido para los cubanos entrar o adquirir productos en las
tiendas para turistas.
34- Es obligado, a pesar de los pesares, desmentir todo este dolor y jurar
que es es feliz allí!
35- Es recomendable guardar en secreto los deseos o arreglos de irse del
pais para mantener
el trabajo, la escuela y la posición de cada cual para evitar represalias y
no morir de hambre antes de tiempo.
Es muy aconsejable echar las culpas de todos estos errores, imposiciones y
locuras del sistema a los Estados Unidos y mantenerse a flote con una
saludable doble moral hasta que aparezca una salida del país
segura y confiable que libre al cubano de su tortura siempre y cuando el
comandante siga vivo. De ahí que por la TV los latinoamericanos no cubanos
vean a "un pueblo combatiente" desfilando y se crean que van voluntariamente
y que apoyan al régimen y asi sigue el país, con un pueblo moribundo,
callado a la fuerza, con un exilio desorientado y dividido mal ayudado por
los americanos y con la indiferencia de la opinión pública mundial que está
impunemente presenciando el exterminio de una raza frente a sus propias
narices.
MARIO J TORRES
ABRIL 2006
-
CALLES DE LA HABANA: (ESTE WEBSITE ES UNA JOYA)--
CALLES DE LA HABANA: (ESTE WEBSITE ES UNA JOYA)
Calle http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/calle23/index.htm 23
Quinta http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/quinta/index.htm
Avenida
Línea < http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/linea/index.htm
Almendares
http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/almendares/index.htm
Calle http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/calle26/index.htm 26
CALLES DE LA HABANA: (ESTE WEBSITE ES UNA JOYA)
Calle http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/calle23/index.htm 23
Quinta http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/quinta/index.htm
Avenida
Línea <http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/linea/index.htm
Almendares
http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/almendares/index.htm
Calle http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/calle26/index.htm 26
Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/ave26/index.htm 26
Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/ave11/index.htm 11
Avenida
http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/presidentes/index.htm
de los Presidentes
Rancho http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/rancho/index.htm
Boyeros
Monserrate
http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/monserrate/index.htm
Empedrado http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/empedrado/index.htm
Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/puerto/index.htm del
Puerto
Calle Cuba http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/cuba/ind
"PM" <pedro1940@progression.net> a écrit dans le message de news:
YSi%f.4154$L.87840@news20.bellglobal.com...
>
>
>
>
> Por el Mayor Gen. (DCNG-Ret.) Erneido A. Oliva, ex-segundo jefe militar de
> la Brigada de Asalto 2506
>
> El 17 de abril del 1961, aproximadamente 1,300 valientes patriotas
> cubanos, miembros de la Brigada de Asalto "2506", desembarcaron en playas
> cubanas. Nuestra misión fue derrocar al regimen del dictador Fidel Castro
y
> restablecer la democracia en nuestra Patria nativa. Sin embargo, la
> operación militar de Bahía de Cochinos, aprobada personalmente por John F.
> Kennedy, duró solamente tres días.
>
> Después de 72 horas de contínuo combate y agotados, nos encontramos
> rodeados por más de 40,000 soldados enemigos, cientos de cañones de
> artillería, más de 50 tanques pesados, y abandonados por los mismos que
nos
> alentaron, organizaron y entrenaron-barcos de Guerra americanos, con más
de
> 2,000 marines abordo observaban impasibles nuestra inevitable derrota.
Los
> aviones de combate americanos volaron sobre nuestras cabezas, movieron
sus
> alas en señal de amistad, y continuaron su vuelo sin disparar una solo
> proyectil.
>
> Reportes oficiales asertan que los brigadistas ocuparon y defendieron
> las posiciones asignadas a pesar de los continuos ataques enemigos
lanzados
> contra Playa Larga y Playa Girón. Sin embargo, durante el segundo día,
> nuestras municiones se agotaron y tuve que desplazar las fuerzas que
> comandaba en Playa Larga hacia el Frente Occidental de Girón. Al mismo
> tiempo, la falta de apoyo aéreo hizo posible que la fuerza aérea cubana
> hundiera el Río Escondido y el Houston. Con esos barcos, se perdieron los
> suministros y armamentos que necesitábamos para continuar nuestra
operación
> militar.
>
> Al final del tercer día, sin suministros, sin municiones, y con 114
> heróicos combatientes muertos, comprendí que nuestros "aliados" , a corta
> distancia de nuestras posiciones, no nos ayudarían. Encarando esa amarga
> realidad, ordené la retirada de los últimos defensores de Playa Larga y
> Playa Girón hacia la ciénaga de Zapata donde fuimos constantemente
atacados
> por fuerzas enemigas -- varios brigadistas fueron impunemente ejecutados
en
> los pantanos y los otros capturados.
>
> Desafortunadamente, a pesar de las promesas politicamente motivadas
de
> "CUBA LIBRE", pronunciadas por todas las administraciones de este país
> durante los últimos 45 años, nada ha cambiado en Cuba. El terror policial,
> los fusilamientos, y violaciones de los derechos humanos continúan y Fidel
> Castro, de 79 años de edad, y su hermano Raúl, 74, permanecen aferrados al
> poder sin oposición de la comunidad internacional. Los hermanos Castro han
> sobrevivido a diez presidentes estadounidenses que no han querido
reconocer
> la amenaza que representa Cuba para la seguridad de todo el Continente
> Americano. Sin embargo, los veteranos de Bahía de Cochinos están aún
> esperanzados que el mundo libre despierte de su largo letargo e imponga
> medidas económicas y políticas a la dictadura comunista que puedan llevar,
> finalmente, la libertad y la democracia a la esclavizada isla.
> --
> CALLES DE LA HABANA: (ESTE WEBSITE ES UNA JOYA)
>
>
> Calle http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/calle23/index.htm 23
> Quinta http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/quinta/index.htm
> Avenida
> Línea <http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/linea/index.htm
> Almendares
> http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/almendares/index.htm
>
> Calle http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/calle26/index.htm 26
> Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/ave26/index.htm 26
> Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/ave11/index.htm 11
> Avenida
> http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/presidentes/index.htm
> de los Presidentes
> Rancho http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/rancho/index.htm
> Boyeros
> Monserrate
> http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/monserrate/index.htm
> Empedrado http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/empedrado/index.htm
> Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/puerto/index.htm del
> Puerto
> Calle Cuba http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/cuba/ind
>
>
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TOPIC: Colorado: Kids Stage Old Glory Walkout.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2f1882ac30dc275
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 3:17 am
From: AlleyCat
In article <dbjp32d6o87jfeo8e4li5q6lep1dodec25@4ax.com>,
lojbab@lojban.org says...
> I will leave to others to argue whether and how the posting of racist
> statistical nonsense
>
Statistics themselves can't be racist. A statistic is an inanimate
object. Actually a statistic is intangible... unless of course it hits
you upside your head when cruising through Harlem talking on a cell
phone... or as in the case of my brother... have a .22 bullet put behind
your ear JUST because you have something he worked hard to earn, and
some pieces of shit, lazy fucks want, because they're too stupid to get
it on their own. You mother fuckers have no right to apologize and
defend these indefensible animals. It fucking hurts like hell to lose a
brother to anything, let alone some waste of breath like the cock-
suckers that killed my brother. Fuck off Bob. You need an education.
Where can I send some of these fucks to take you to school? Iowa?
Thought so. Come "down" here and get a lesson in TNB!
Al
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 12 2006 10:23 pm
From: Alric Knebel
Way Back Jack wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:34:47 -0500, Alric Knebel
> <alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:
>
>
>>AlleyCat wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <1237350d47omsd7@corp.supernews.com>, alric@[cableone.net]
>>>says...
>>>
>>>
>>>>but the opening paragraph in your
>>>>responses suggests that the answer to my question -- "Are you one of
>>>>these mental weaklings obsessed with race" -- is "YES!" You're obsessed
>>>>with racical statistics,
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>It's a racial newsgroup, ya fucking moron.
>>>Al
>>
>>Oh, oh. ANOTHER genius speaks up. Well, dipshit, I'm not IN a racist
>>newsgroup where I'm seeing this post. Why don't you save up your the
>>money you spend on dues and buy yourself a clue. Now here you are,
>>jumping into this thread and this is what you've got. Let me tell you,
>>a comment displaying that much acumen just reaffirms my beliefs about
>>racists. Good job, Dicky. Bravo! We all like you more for it.
>
>
> GONG!
>
> Two more whigger points for Alice.
>
> She dropped the "R" word bomb again.
>
> The black race hustlers be smilin' at ya grrrrrlll.
You're just a stupid racist, and I'm happy to see you displaying your
wares in this place. I'm glad I'm me. Your mother -- unless she's a
hillbilly -- probably wishes you were me, too.
--
Alric Knebel
http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.html
http://www.ironeyefortress.com
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TOPIC: HISPANIC LAWSUITS -- I TOLD YOU SO
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2897d108cb98aaf1
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 12 2006 8:18 pm
From: "NYC XYZ"
Graphic Queen wrote:
> On 12 Apr 2006 10:53:00 -0700, "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Read 'em and weep:
> >
> >(Or did you need that in spanish?)
> >
> >
> >http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/408240p-345466c.html
>
> What else does anyone expect? They come here to take and steal and
> nothing else. There are some who actually come here to work but they
> soon find that it better for them to steal what they are not entitled
> to.
Goddamned bastards...all these fucking spics you see in the ghetto,
every last one with their lousy half-black bastards with the crime and
shit, and of course, the government is responsible for these morons.
Unfucking believable. None of these claimnants -- this puta abuelita
is the third spic family member to file suit -- were around for the
girl, of course, but now that there's money, spics crawl out of the
woodworks like roaches to garbage...I'm still waiting for some
long-lost relative in spic-land to file suit from overseas!
It's really sad going through hispanic neigbhorhoods...except for the
mexican ones, I must say, where you seem some real family (not the puta
mama's dick-of-the-month and mixed half-siblings all-round), it's
really sad going through spic nabes and seeing how the morons can't
think of anything better to do with the incredible luck of being in the
United States of America.
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TOPIC: Financial burden of both LEGAL & ILLEGAL immigrants
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/971385eb6b9a67ab
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 12 2006 8:19 pm
From: "Deng Qi Feng"
I myself am a son of immigrants. However for immigrants to no longer
be a burden on US society, the US must eliminate welfare, and reduce
the amount of social services they consume.
I am doing a group project with my team in college and our topic is the
impact of all immigrants, legal or illegal on American society and
economy. What we have found is that the average household in
California pays about $1800 in taxes to support the increased need of
social services consumed by immigrants. Also two hospitals have had to
close in Los Angeles due to high numbers of uninsured patients causing
financial duress to the hospital. Illegal immigrants who are hired
don't pay tax, and thereby their employers do not pay FICA and FUTA
employment and unemployment taxes that should be paid had the worker
been documented and reported on the payroll.
Most immigrants that come to the US are low skilled or unskilled
laborers. There are plenty of American born citizens who are unskilled
or low skilled that would be willing to work for minimum wage.
However, illegals are willing to work for less than minimum wage.
Businesses like illegals, but if they are not there, then they would be
forced to hire at minimum wage. Some businesses that hire illegals and
operate solely on cash, may go under if they can no longer hire
illegals, because they most likely use illegal immigrant labor as part
of a strategy to cheat on taxes. Paying FICA and FUTA employment and
unemployment taxes can be a significant drag on profit, and cause many
landscaping, garden work, restaurants, and other small businesses to go
out of business, or raise their prices to survive.
Immigrants pay little taxes but receive many benefits.
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TOPIC: AHMADINEJAD....
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/168923a383917185
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 12 2006 8:22 pm
From: "Ya salama"
DoD wrote:
> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:sUi%f.80$MM6.49@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> > > Our preachers and rabbis that are nuts are fewer in numbers. Also it is
> >> these relgious nutbars that are intertwined in government. That is the
> >> way it is in Islam. That is why Islam is so dangerous.
> > Aha, and who do you think Dov Zakheim is if he is not a Rabbi, who
> > misdirected billions to Israel,
>
> I don't know who he is.
Google the thief up!
>
> and wjhat about Bush is he Christian
> > Ayatollah or not?
>
> No.
There is no diff between between Bush and Mullahs, except that Bush
tells more lies than Mullahs do!
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TOPIC: India Most Likely Behind Pakistan Prayer Service Bombing ??
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b4329c932ea6412e
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 12 2006 8:24 pm
From: "fruitella"
Koundinya wrote:
> They suggest things that they themselves do and cannot imagine others
> not doing it. However, in a democracy, which they have not seen these
> 59 years(they have not had a peaceful democratic change in government
> for that period) the truth ,though it might take some time,will come
> out. While in their kind of dictatorship, anything is possible and can
> be kept under wraps.
> Gopal
The same old bullcrap came out during 911 when muslim nuts suggested
the attack was perpetrated by the US govt or by some jewish group.
Supposedly 4000 jews who worked in the twin towers were warned and
stayed away from work that day.
There are no takers for these lies spread by muslim fanatics anymore.
911 in a way was a 'blessing'. It opened up the world's eyes. No
longer can anyone spread terrorism killing others and then bullsh*t
that they are the ones who are oppressed.
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TOPIC: <O.T.> A Darwinian View of Immigration
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5a14b78af3b15742
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 3:31 am
From: John Wood
Thou shalt not utter Darwin's name in vain. Lest stupid buzzword spewing
MBA's and journalism school dropouts find they can not defend their
collection of urban myths and poorly understood concepts when a real
scientist challenges them. Beware, beware.
>> I occasionally interview a deep but cynical thinker. Because he prefers to
>> remain anonymous, I call him "The Darwinian." Quoted above and hereafter,
>> this is his take on current events. His opinions are his own, not
>> necessarily those of this columnist nor of Front Page Magazine, but they
>> provide food for thought concerning today's most widely discussed issue,
>> immigration.
>>
>> "At America's southern border we, in effect, have invisible signs like those
>> at the rides at Disneyland that say 'You must be this tall to go on this
>> ride,'" he told me. "Those who are strong, smart, tough and determined
>> enough to climb the fence, cross the desert or river, or pay the best Coyote
>> human smugglers and are able to evade the Migras [immigration officers] will
>> survive until the next amnesty and be given citizenship. And this survival
>> of the fittest will, in the long run, benefit the United States."
>>
>> But aren't such illegals a drain on our welfare and other social services?
>>
>> "Of course, but only in the short run," The Darwinian replied. "Most come
>> with a strong work ethic, devout faith, and stronger family values than most
>> liberal Americans. They bring a transfusion of values, ethics and passion
>> that have been hemorrhaging away in America. And without this influx the
>> United States would be in the same demographic decline, unable to reproduce
>> itself, as Europe and Japan are. We need fresh blood and these vigorous
>> genes to renew America, as has happened many times in the past."
>>
>> But wouldn't legal immigration be better?
>>
>> "No," replied the Darwinian. "The gauntlet we have now, and that will
>> continue with its bar raised in the bills now before Congress, provides a
>> better test of fitness than arbitrary bureaucratic standards of who should
>> get in. Bureaucrats approve those who are docile and obedient. Natural
>> selection rewards those who are the toughest, which often means those
>> willing to bend and break the rules.
>>
>> "True enough," he continued, "today's barriers let lawbreakers slip
>> through - indeed, turn the undocumented immigrants into law breakers. But
>> the law they're breaking is largely a product of racial and economic
>> discrimination designed to protect the status and jobs of those already
>> here, to protect the lazy and comfortable from Darwinian competition. To the
>> degree that competition has been reduced by our politicized immigration
>> laws, the United States has violated its own ideal as a capitalist nation.
>>
>> "Free market competition," he continued, "is just Darwinian evolution
>> operating economically. It's rightly been called Bio-nomics, natural
>> economics. This is why the so-called conservationists who support socialism
>> and the Democratic Party are dishonest. Socialism is phony, unnatural
>> economics that leads to the extinction of species.
>>
>> "Those who hide behind laws, including immigration laws, to avoid such
>> competition are committing slow suicide, growing too fat and lazy to
>> survive," said The Darwinian. "In the long run you can no more outlaw the
>> law of supply and demand than you can outlaw the law of gravity. And there's
>> a big supply of cheaper labor just across the border.
>>
>> "Organized labor is a monopolist attempt to outlaw free market competition,"
>> he continued. "Look at how General Motors, controlled and bled white by its
>> labor unions, is now dying because it has become too weak to stand against
>> competitors. Such unions have also tried to stop immigration, knowing it
>> would undercut the wages unions extort. But if they win, the whole United
>> States will eventually be weakened as General Motors now is. And unions hurt
>> us all as consumers who must pay unnaturally higher prices."
>>
>> So, I asked, should we allow an unregulated flood of immigrants to drive
>> American wages down to Third World levels?
>>
>> "We do regulate the flow," laughed The Darwinian. "We just do it by raising
>> or lowering the amount of enforcement at the border. The cream of the
>> immigrants floats to the top of this tide, so we keep the barrier high
>> enough that it's mostly the cream that gets in. Do you think it's an
>> accident that President Bill Clinton's administration virtually ordered the
>> Border Patrol to ease its enforcement so he could register a million
>> newly-legalized - and in 10,000 cases felonious - voters for the 1996
>> election? Or that even the toughest proposed immigration law before Congress
>> right now would build only 698 miles of fence on a 2,000 mile border?
>>
>> "It's obvious that powerful interest groups, left and right, want this flow
>> of illegal
>> immigrants. Businesses want more labor competition to hold down wages.
>> Democratic leaders expect that these illegals will disproportionately become
>> Democrat voters and restore power to the Left. The Roman Catholic Bishops
>> see these immigrants as increasing the power of the Catholic Church. Would
>> Los Angeles Cardinal Roger Mahony really be so encouraging to illegals if
>> America were a predominately Catholic country being flooded with illegal
>> Protestant immigrants? I don't think so."
>>
>> So you would not build a Wall of China on America's southern border to stop
>> this human flood?
>>
>> "I don't want to stop Hispanic workers - but we also face the threat of
>> terrorists with suitcase nuclear weapons, nerve gas and other horrific arms.
>> We already allow vast amounts of chemical weaponry to cross the border in
>> the form of illicit drugs from the narco-democracy of Mexico that take a
>> monstrous toll on our citizens.
>>
>> "But I recognize," he continued, "that terrorist megaweapons would arrive
>> with the backing of wealthy entities such as Al Qaeda or Iran who could get
>> them over or around any barrier on the southern border. If you have tens of
>> millions of dollars, as Osama bin Laden or Iran do, it's not that hard to
>> find a bribable dock worker or Border Patrolman or other security personnel.
>> You can imagine the sales pitch to an INS official: 'You can take this
>> half-million dollar bribe, or you can wind up mysteriously dead.'
>>
>> "And the U.S. also has three huge seacoasts, an even longer and
>> thinly-controlled border with Canada, and many more paths through which
>> wealthy terrorists could enter," The Darwinist said. "As you quoted one
>> expert on the ports issue recently, Lowell, if the U.S. can't stop tons of
>> drugs, why do we think we could stop a few pounds of Plutonium? Sadly, a
>> 50-foot high border wall would not protect us from such terrorism. We have
>> thousands more miles of border, and far less reliable agents guarding us,
>> than Israel does."
>>
>> "By the way," he added, "have you noticed how crazy Iran is? They just
>> threatened us with their network of international terrorists if we took
>> steps to dismantle their nuclear weapons program. But their ability to use
>> terrorists as a nuclear delivery system is precisely why we are justified in
>> de-fanging their nuclear program no matter what the risk or cost. We cannot
>> risk the next 9-11 attack in Manhattan coming from terrorists with nuclear
>> weapons. The Iranian Islamofascist rulers themselves, in other words, have
>> given the perfect rationale for attacking them immediately."
>>
>> But isn't Mexico hurting itself by suffering a brain drain through all this
>> immigration? Aren't they destroying their own future by driving out their
>> best and brightest?
>>
>> "In the long run, yes," replied The Darwinist. "We're almost literally
>> sucking Mexico's brains out, leaving mostly the dregs. But by encouraging a
>> mass exodus to the United States, Mexico in the short run gains a river of
>> revenue - as much as $20 billion each year in remittances sent back home by
>> those who went to work in the U.S. This makes exporting its workers one of
>> Mexico's most lucrative enterprises, right up there with its exports of oil
>> and illicit drugs.
>>
>> "Mexico also sells oil and drugs in a quasi-colonial symbiosis with the
>> United States, depending on us to buy their products and workers," he said.
>> "The Mexicans who remain tend to be those without the gumption or brains to
>> make their way north into the U.S. Those who stay provide Mexico's ruling
>> elite with a docile, servile class of peons.
>>
>> "Mexico's tiny ruling class is happy with the current feudal system that
>> keeps them wealthy and on top," he said. "It's very much like Communist
>> Fidel Castro's Cuba, which also keeps its small ruling elite wealthy by
>> being the coercive pimp exploiting its prostituted, oppressed people.
>>
>> "Those who come illegally to the U.S. are mostly poor rural people, but they
>> also tend to be the citizens most dissatisfied with Mexico - and hence its
>> most potentially troublesome citizens," he continued. "Prodding them to trek
>> north provides a safety valve by removing them both as a burden on Mexican
>> government services and as potential political revolutionaries who might try
>> to change the government. Incidentally, in Mexico it is a crime for any
>> non-citizen to participate in political activities such as flag-waving
>> protests."
>>
>> "Americans widely believe that, like the brown beret activists of MEChA,
>> Mexico wants to reclaim the Southwest United States as Mexican territory,"
>> said The Darwinian. "But if you were part of Mexico's feudal ruling elite,
>> would you risk bringing these tough Mexican-Americans and all the Yanquis in
>> these territories back inside your borders?
>>
>> "This would precipitate a successful violent revolution against today's
>> Mexican rulers almost overnight," he laughed. "These illegals came north to
>> escape the failed society of Mexico, and no sane person among them wants to
>> re-create or re-impose Mexico and its primitive society here.
>>
>> "MEChA might fantasize about restoring their mythical 'Aztlan' that never
>> was," The Darwin said. "The Aztecs almost never raided as far north as today
>> 's U.S. border. But I'd guess that nothing is more frightening to Mexico's
>> current rulers. Anyway, why foment revolution in the U.S. when the wealth of
>> the United States is already pouring into Mexico via remittances and oil
>> money?"
>>
>> So, I asked, you don't believe in Mexican nationalism? What about all the
>> Mexican flags at recent protests in Los Angeles, Denver, Phoenix and
>> elsewhere?
>>
>> "The Spanish conquistadors and English fought it out for the New World, more
>> than half of which is Spanish-speaking (or Portuguese-speaking) today," The
>> Darwinian said. "That battle for cultural control of the New World
>> continues. Christian Spaniards were descended from the Phoenicians, Romans,
>> Visigoths and Vandals (namesake of Andalusia), and 85 percent of Mexicans
>> are Mestizos whose conquistador ancestry is mixed with tribes such as the
>> warlike Aztecs. Mexicans are a macho people with a grievance, having lost
>> half of their nation's territory to us more than 160 years ago in the
>> Mexican-American War and war of Texas liberation. If you were in their
>> place, how would you feel?
>>
>> "We, of course, had our troops in the 'Halls of Montezuma,' as the Marine
>> song recalls," he continued. "We militarily occupied Mexico City, and it
>> might have been better for Mexico's oppressed peons if we'd liberated the
>> country from its feudal lords and incorporated it into the United States. We
>> could have done this in the 1840s, but we made the political decision not
>> to, in part because our cultures were then so different.
>>
>> "The good news," he said, "is that today our cultures are not poles apart,
>> as they are in the Muslim immigrant takeover of Europe. Hispanics come from
>> the Western European tradition, speak a European language rooted in Latin
>> akin to our English, and share America's Judeo-Christian faith. These
>> Hispanic immigrants are not a flood of Muslims or Martians, but of fellow
>> citizens of Western culture. They can and will be assimilated.
>>
>> "And, frankly," he said, "if these immigrants were not strong people with
>> the genes of pioneers, explorers, warriors and conquerors, would they be
>> worthy to join the rest of us Americans? This is our shared heritage, too.
>> We want and need these newcomers to be like us - so why should it frighten
>> us that they are? Would you prefer our new blood to come from weaklings?"
>>
>> If you're so optimistic, I asked The Darwinian, where do you see the
>> immigration issue heading?
>>
>> "Our politicians will play their usual games," he replied. "The government
>> will make paper concessions that sound like a halfway solution to the
>> current public anger. And the day after the 2006 congressional and 2008
>> presidential elections, the tougher enforcement at the border will be eased
>> and the immigrant flood will resume.
>>
>> "These concessions will make today's illegal immigrants in America feel
>> better, more included. They also show that we are not like feudal Mexico,
>> where those born on the bottom are doomed to stay there. The key to America'
>> s success and worldwide attraction is that we have social mobility. That's
>> what brought our ancestors, too - the fact that by moving here, you have the
>> freedom and opportunity to move up society's ladder and fulfill your dreams.
>>
>> "But the bigger purpose of what the politicians are proposing," he added,
>> "is to get these immigrants onto the tax rolls. Too many have made good
>> money -- $10 to $20 per hour or more - without paying their tribute to the
>> politicians. So now they will be taxed, but their protests and complaints
>> will ease. Remember, the powers that be don't just want Mexican 'guest
>> workers.' They also want millions more Mexican-American citizens.
>>
>> "And then, to the surprise of each new generation of Mexican-American and
>> other Latino citizens, the politicians will let in the next wave of illegals
>> to drive down the wages of the Hispanics we've granted the path to
>> citizenship. But these former illegals will now have a higher social status
>> than the new illegals, so they will accept this. And like most other
>> Americans they'll grouse about the new illegals, who in their turn will be
>> given amnesty in some different disguise. Each generation's children will
>> keep learning English and assimilating. We'll muddle through."
>>
>> And how, I asked, will this play out politically?
>>
>> "The liberal media is denouncing Republicans as nativists and racists" The
>> Darwinist replied. "But the smarter Hispanics see things the national media
>> tries hard to hide. They see that it's been Democrats in Congress, not
>> Republicans, who voted to make the illegal aliens felons, and that it's
>> always been the Democrats, the party of the slave owners and the Klan, who
>> exploit racial differences to gain political power.
>>
>> "The smarter Latinos also see something else that the Democratic Party has
>> been doing," he said. "Two of the most loyal Democratic voting blocs have
>> for many decades been organized labor and African-Americans. And who have
>> the Democrats shafted in their frantic rush to win Hispanic votes?
>>
>> "The Democrats, happy to drive down wages, have stabbed organized labor in
>> the back," The Darwinist continued. "And knowing that a flood of poor
>> Mexican workers will hurt poor people and African-Americans worse than any
>> other groups, the Democrats in Congress have stabbed the poor and their
>> African-Americans voters in the back, too.
>>
>> "Smart Hispanics see this," he said. "They know the Democrats can never be
>> trusted. And they already understand that the way to have political power is
>> by vote switching. By voting overwhelmingly for Democrats, African-Americans
>> and union workers got taken for granted by the Democratic Party and ignored
>> as unwinnable by the Republican Party. These groups who tied their fate to
>> the Democrats have been betrayed by the party they trusted.
>>
>> "Smart Latinos won't make that mistake," The Darwinian continued. "They won'
>> t be a pawn for either party, even though their cultural values of hard
>> work, family and faith are far closer to the Republicans. Intelligent
>> Hispanics certainly won't become voter puppets of the Democratic Party. They
>> will become a vibrant bipartisan part of American democracy, like the Irish
>> immigrants from whom came Presidents John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan."
>>
>> And where do you see history headed in the New World?
>>
>> "Latin America never fully experienced the European Enlightenment, which is
>> why its feudal societies keep going through spasms of leftist infection as
>> is now happening in several countries," said The Darwinian. "But in the long
>> run, we will have a New World common market from Alaska to Argentina. The
>> never-ending waves of Mexican immigration will learn English, but most
>> American school kids will soon be required to take years of mandatory
>> Spanish classes.
>>
>> "Along the border itself," he said, "we have migrant workers on both sides.
>> El Paso recruited its own semi-pro ice hockey team in the desert because so
>> many American managers have moved from Michigan to this Texas border city to
>> oversee auto manufacturing facilities just across the Rio Grande in Juarez,
>> where American union, environmental and other rules don't rule the day.
>>
>> "You probably noticed," The Darwinian added, "that the 471-page
>> 'immigration-restricting' bill authored by Senators John McCain of Arizona,
>> a Republican presidential aspirant for 2008, and Democrat Edward Kennedy of
>> Massachusetts includes all sorts of incentives to attract illegal
>> immigrants, including in-state tuition at state universities. This means
>> that an illegal alien could get much cheaper taxpayer-subsidized university
>> tuition in, say, California than could native born American citizens from
>> bordering Arizona, Nevada or Oregon whose federal taxes help pay for the
>> University of California.
>>
>> "I see Latin American and American cultures continuing to intertwine and
>> blend their best qualities," he continued. If this intertwining process gets
>> thwarted, then the modern adage may prove true - that to help your
>> descendants survive you should teach your children Spanish and your
>> grandchildren Chinese.
>>
>> "A better model for our future has been set by the Bush family," The
>> Darwinian concluded. "President George W. Bush speaks Spanish. His brother
>> Jeb, the Florida Governor, converted to Roman Catholicism to wed a lovely
>> Mexican girl, and their son Jorge P. Bush may someday be elected the first
>> Mexican-American President of the United States. The Captain of the Starship
>> Enterprise might be named Diego Gonzalez instead of James Kirk. James was
>> the patron saint of Spain, not England, and his name is that of California's
>> second largest city, San Diego. In the long run, I'm optimistic."
>>
>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21978
>
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TOPIC: Just who should go back home? Ramon?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/1b035827b738a510
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 12 2006 8:32 pm
From: txmxking@yahoo.com
Ramon wrote:
> Tx Max King wrote:
> > <goposter@jonjay.com> wrote in message :
> >
> > > The only natural resource running out is the white traditional founder.
> > > We can place them in a museum, with all due respect. But I haven't
> > > lost hope in white America, mind you. I am sure many of them who are
> > > embracing the newcomers will continue the economic and cultural growth
> > > that the fearful ones have given up.
> >
> > You are an embarrassment to Hispanics. I've read your rants
> > and bragging and haven't commented. But now I have no choice.
> > I am a Hispanic immigrant. I immigrated here when I was 4 years
> > old. I didn't just immigrate, I escaped a dictatorial regime.
>
> OK, cubano...
That's your assumption, there are other dictatorial regimes
out there today. But I'm glad you chose Cuba, it's one
of my favorites. Can't wait till Fidel kicks the bucket though,
any day now, then maybe we can send all the Cuban
trash he sent over here back to Cuba.
It's modus operandi for leftist leaders, send your
trash to America. How'd you get here?
Oh, and it's 'Americano' to you, I'm not like you.
I immigrated here and I'm proud of my country, inclusive
of all of its faults.
> > I learned the language, I acclimated to the culture, I studied
> > and I succeeded. I consider myself an American. Period, no hyphen.
>
> Yup. But they still call you a spic.
You spelled Hispanic wrong. Most people think
I'm a whop (sp?) or a daego. I'm olive colored with
European features, like the Spaniards from the North.
Mick, kyke, kraut, slant-eyed . . . we have derogatory terms
for everyone. You're not exclusive. Has it effected your
disposition?
> > I am proud of my ancestry.
>
> Point in your favor. I hope you at least know who Jose Marti was.
I'm pushing 50, Ramon. I know many things.
Poetry is my way of life. Democracy and liberty and
fighting marxists and socialists like yourself is also
my way of life.
> > But when I came to this country, it
> > was my responsibility to accept the culture and learn to live and work
> > within the laws and rules.
> >
> > That was 45 years ago. Now I see thousands of immigrants
> > streaming into Texas every month. Most of them don't care
> > about America. They only want more money.
>
> 'Murrica is only about money.
America is what you make it.If you want to see it as only
about money, yeah sure, you may have a valid point
in some circles. But generalizations are not my
preference of evaluation. Are you telling me Venezuela
and 'el rojo' Chavez aren't only about money?
Are you telling me the elite in Mexico is not only about
money? Charity is also about money. Evidently your
just hanging around the worng crowd here in America.
> > Most of them have
> > no respect for America or for traditional American values.
>
> And these are sex, drugs, and rock and roll?
Cliche and ancient. Real values haven't changed in the
thousands of years man has existed on the Earth and
could think beyond food and pleasure. I think that like
so many others you watch too much TV and believe
the media way too much. Learn to think for yourself
and look beyond the facade. Illusions are easy to create.
Reality has yet to be understood by any of us meager
earthlings.
> > I'm not
> > just referring to Mexicans (my wife is a second generation Mexican
> > immigrant, by the way), but immigrants from all cultures. Most of
> > them seem to feel that Americans should adapt our ways to their
> > cultures.
>
> Naw, they, however, feel that they should not have to change to
> accomodate the sensibilities of descendants of illegal boat people (the
> Mayflowerites).
And why not, Ramon? If we threw all the scum drug lords
out of Venezuela and replaced them with orientals
would Venezuela be a better country for it? Those
descendents of the Europeans (Not just the Mayflower.
You do know they were escaping religious intolerance in England?)
have been fighting, working and dying for this land for
hundreds of years. Are you also jealous of their success
like so many others today. Does it grind at you that the
whiteys here are still more successful than your Venezuelan
homeys with all their oil threats and drug profits?
> > Most of them have no intention of adapting to American
> > values.
>
> It might be that these values --do define them-- might be inferior to
> those they bring.
In some case they might be the same. I'm sure you heard them
before, but if you insist on pleading ignorance, I'll list them
for you. Honesty, chivalry, compassion, charity, character,
integrity, respect. Tell me you possess all of these qualities
as do your 'bro's'.
> > They are rude and disrespectful and greedy like so many
> > others in this world. Many of them would rather steal or get
> > involved in criminal activities to get rich, than to work hard and
> > make an honest living.
>
> That describes both immigrants and native born.
It certainly does. But we don't need any more of them.
> > I don't like to generalize and there are exceptions. But the
> > majority of them do feel this way. Ignorant politicians in their
> > quest to appease and cater to 'compassion' and minorities
> > pass laws that disgrace traditional America and Americans.
> > I was once a hippie too.
>
> You obviously took 'murrican values wholeheartedly if you became a
> drugged out unwashed bum. And this is what you are offering?
Ah yes, assumptions again. I was an idealist once too, Ramon.
I had to find out for myself because that's just the way I am.
Wouldn't take anyones word about anything. And I'm glad I
did, because I soon realized most of the philosophical
idealists were full of shit. Including you comrades, marxo
and lenny and stally and che guayaba even. They were all
trying to reinvent philosophy. And philosophy hasn't changed
in 5000 years. We just seem to forget the lessons and then
believe ourselves to be original by deluding it for our own
selfish ends. MLK and Gandhi still have the lead in my
book and there is no one out there even close. The rest
are just puppet death squads intent on making humanity
miserable by forcefully inflicting their distorted perceptions
on everyone else. You can quote on that. Please site your
reference.
> > And I thought that changes were
> > important to preserve our future. But those days are gone.
> > Women and minorities have opportunities here that they
> > do not have in any other country in the world. Now they
> > continue to extremes. This is why I am now an adamant
> > conservative.
> >
> > When I hear comments like yours about the 'rich', 'white'
> > people, I realize how ignorant so many immigrants really
> > are. This country was founded by rich, white people. This
> > country is mostly run by rich, white people. If you cannot
> > accept rich, white people and learn to live with them and
> > respect them,
>
> OK, you keep kissing their hand. Why do you expect everyone else to be
> so submissive and "respect" them? Why is their intrinsic worth above
> yours that you have to "respect" them. Don't they take their pants off
> to take a dump too? Are they smarter than you? Do they work harder?
> How come you have this inferiority complex?
I have no inferiority complex, Ramon. I am on equal ground
with all of them. I can stand up and fight for what I believe in
and I do, just like I am standing up on this issue and butting
heads with both the best and worst of them. You have what
I call the 'pigeonhole mentality'. You see greed, corruption,
bigotry, violence and evil, just as everyone else does. But
unlike some, and like many today, it is easier for you to fight
it by clumping it all together in generalizations. This actually
shows your own inferiority. Because like most, you would
rather draw conclusions based on generalized assumptions.
It's much easier logic than analyzing in detail. It's the lazy
mans way of rationalization. You're a product of the lazy mans
educational method. This is obvious by the questions you
just posed here. You see a bad guy and you're the good
guy. Yet you can never see it as it really is, that there is
good and bad in all of us. Because it is much easier for
you to rationalize in self-serving and basically lazy,
faulty thinking.
> > then you don't deserve to live in America.
>
> If you pay taxes, work honestly, keep out of trouble, I don't see why
> you have to go around kissing some rich fat asshole's butt to "deserve"
> 'murrica.
You don't have to kiss anyone's butt. Who taught you that?
> > Listen to my words carefully, Ramon. And pass them on
> > to your Hispanic brothers around the world.
>
> No way you are my bro!
I don't have 'bro's'. 'Bro' is a hypocritical misaligned
street jargon that basically means 'I'm smiling at you
but I'll stick-it-up-your-ass if you give me the chance.'
It's meaningless worth is only valued by street hoodlums,
gang puppets and wanna-be losers. It is an abbreviated
slang stolen by the Mexican/hispanic gangs from the
'of-color' civil rights era.
> > My opinion is
> > not popular here in Texas with the huge illegal immigrant
> > population we have here.
>
> ROFL!
. . . it's your prerogative.
> > But I do not seek popularity.
> > I speak the fair truth without political philosophic
> > underlying intentions. Unlike you, that feels he has
> > to prove a philosophical political point to the gringo
> > and the 'white' man. Unlike you that feels that Hispanic
> > political power is the both the means and the end.
>
> OK, so the absence of Hispanic political power is the means and the end
> in your book? Sounds to me like cowardice.
Read my words again, is your eyesight failing you also?
Nowhere did I say anything about absence of Hispanic power.
'Hispanic power' is another one of those terms that you
inherited from your socialist, 'viva la huevos-no-son'
mentors. Minority power plays are all good and well until
minority becomes mainstream and is involved in the
decision making process. Yes, there are many out there
that still cry 'hispanic power, or 'black power' or 'women
power' or 'muslim power' 'or italian power' or 'irish power'
or 'russian power' or 'asian power' or 'gay power' or 'white
power' or 'brainless twits with no power'.
But the fact of matter is that there are those out there
that already have hispanic power or black power or woman
power or muslim power or italian power or irish power or
russian power or asian power or gay power or white
power or even brainless twits with no power power.
Most of the time you don't see them on street corners
handing out freebies to their kin. The reason is they worked
their asses off to get there and they know that the whole
power trip has nothing to do with who you really are.
Because there are lazy hispanics and hard working
hispanics, lazy blacks and hardworking blacks,
lazy whites and hard working whites, etc. You get the
idea I hope. It has nothing to do with the race, sex or
heritage you came from. It is all about who your are as
a person and your character. And in the end when they
all mix together and form our 'melting pot', it matters even
less.
So whenever I hear anyone like yourself ranting about
the bad white man, or the bad black man or the bad
hispanic person, I always have friendly advice. Pull
your head out of your ass and your manifestos and
new philosophies and new religions and read Plato,
Aristotle and Buddah. They were doing this long before
anyone else and their conclusions are still more valid
than anyone else since.
> > I will continue to fight against Amnesty and illegal immigration.
>
> Well, the rich white dudes you "respect" and grovel to already decided
> they need mojados. So its been decided. The rest is just paperwork.
This again is another one of your third world mentality concepts
that is seriously flawed. I guess it stems from living under dictators
and with corruption for so long. It's not that we don't have leaders
with dictatorial intent or that we don't have corruption, it's simply
the fact that we have the power to change things. Something
which most other countries do not have. And I don't mean marching
in the streets, the new/old fad for the 'viva la huevo-no-son' faction.
What I refer to is freedom to get involved in the political process
and to make a difference. Sure it sounds idealistic and it can
be perilous and disheartening. But the fact that we have that
capability when so many others do not is all that is important.
One of the most important lessons we learned in the sixties and
we learned many, was that it was more productive to work with
the system than against it to foster change for the better.
And we have made many changes and progressed in many
areas that we felt strongly about. That's not to say that some
don't try screw things up. That's evident. But we have also used
voting power to kick asses out of the way when we felt they were
not doing the job they were elected for.
In some countries, even some of your bros' in South America,
when they don't like a candidate or official they eradicate them.
We feel we have moved beyond that form of barbarism and
pre-civilized behavior. We have idiots. But it is not a prevalent
concept within the culture as it is in many other areas of the
world. So you see, Ramon, to make a long story longer, there
is a major difference between our values and the values of many
other 'pluts' as you like to call them.
> > Because I see the danger to our future and the destruction
> > it is creating in our society. We are not Mexico or France
> > and we don't ever want to be.
>
> You don't want it to be. On the other hand some socialist measures to
> rein in laissez faire capitalism would be in order.
Wrong again, rojito. This is another very fallible belief between
you and your comrades. Democracy and socialism are contrary
to each other and conflicting in the basis of the philosophies.
They can never, and will never 'meld' to create a productive
society. Socialism is a dictatorial distributive enforcement
of human talent and commodities. Democracy is a system
where 'value' dictates the distribution and reward of human
skills and material commodities. Both are susceptible to
all of the evils of human behavior. Democracy has the
potential for adjustment and redirection. Socialism does not.
But you have finally shown your true 'colors.'
> > By now it should be evident,
> > maybe not to you though, that the solution is for Mexico to
> > be more like America.
>
> You have 17 million junkies. Your youth is cannon fodder for the
> corporations. With 5% of the world's population you consume a third or
> more of the world's natural resources. You are screwing up the planet.
> Your beer is watered down tasteless swill. Fuck all that.
Yes, most American beer is pisswater compared to traditional
brews from the 'old country'. But again, this statement enlightens
me with where your true values lie. You, who herald from the
land of the coca leaf have little room to criticize. Some of your
third world counterparts have 60-70% drug infestation. Even in
your own little terra firma. No, you won't find these in the statistics
because the statisticians aren't that good yet. But it is your
compadres like Fidel and Chavez and all your very own drug
dealing buddies that promote this ethic. I would even go so far
as to surmise that you in your many 'world' travels personally
'deals' with a fair share of these trafficantes. I don't see the
'I don't do business with drug dealers' on your office door.
And how many of your employees pump a bump or two
all in a days work? Hypocrisy in the drug world is the norm.
As for consumption of resources, your scripted leftist
rhetoric is noted. Have I seen your bro Chavez screaming
for alternative fuel sources, recycling and emissions control.
At least we attempt as feeble and short it may be.
Oh and does Venezuela have strict pollution laws so
foreign companies can't come in and trash it?
No. I don't thin so, senor rojo.
> > No matter how difficult it is for your
> > soicialist mind to accept this is the truth. Illegal immigration
> > has brought some hard workers, I can't deny that. Some of
> > are good people and I've experienced that too. But the fact
> > is that they came here illegally and they have created a
> > dangerous precedent for our laws, our society and our
> > country.
>
> As I said, don't worry your little head about it. The plutocrats
> already decided they want the mojados here. Likewise, you must
> understand that the plutocrats are above the law. The law is there to
> punish and keep in line hicks and working stiffs.
More socialist huff. Que poco vista.
> > Many others are here for nothing more than to
> > deal drugs, steal cars or transport illegals into the country.
>
> Well, before you satanize the suppliers look at the consumers. You
> have 17 million junkies. As long as the demand is there so will be the
> supplies. The same goes with the mojados. The plutocrats want them.
It's all supply and demand with you and Zerge, isn't it. Again a
socialist fallacy. This is based on the assumption that all the
world is greed and human compassion is only found in the
welfare hand out line. Such a disillusioned way to embrace life.
Hey and thanks again for keeping the heroin supply lines pumping.
If it wasn't for visionary, entrepreneurial big business drug dealers
like you, what would we do?
> > This is also a fact. We don't need them and we don't want
> > them.
>
> You might not but the plutocrats do. And they run the country. Whut?
> Did you think you lived in a democracy? LOL!
You certainly don't. You make your own illusion.
America is what you make it and evidently you don't think you
can make much of it except to get rich like the white guys
(which by your bragging rights you already are). I will have to agree
with a few others on these newsgroups here. The best thing for
you to do is go back to your own country and make it your 'perfect'
world. Cuz with your pessimistic attitude and your butt bucket
logic it ain't gonna happen for you here ever.
> > The only answer is to pass stricter laws so that those
> > that don't belong here are sent back to from where they came.
> > And the others that do want to accept America, do so legally,
> > within our rule of law. Your compadres in Mexico don't care
> > about America.
>
> >From Alaska to Patagonia America is a very large continent. Regarding
> they caring about the U-S-A, well its their major trading partner. Of
> course they care about their market? And, given your murrican
> edikation, you might not have heard the famous phrase: "The US does not
> have friends, it has interests." That doesn't sound too loving and
> caring does it?
And you have an idealistic country where the reality is different?
Where?
> > They are mostly greedy and corrupt. They steal
> > from the poor and keep them poor. They do not want the poor
> > to succeed or compete with them. The fact is that Mexicans
> > in Mexico hate the poor Mexicans more than we ever could.
> >
> > And as for your little gatherings in the last week or so. Understand
> > this and know that I know. The organizers of these little fiestas
> > you call protest marches are organized operatives within the
> > Socialist, Communist and anarchist organizations operating right here
>
> Viva la internacional socialista cabrones!
A commie flag waver. You finally habla verdad what you are.
I already knew this, but I'm often entertained on the newsgroups
debating them on their skewed philosophy. To me it is so
comical to listen to them attempting to defend a humanity
demeaning way of thinking. I am assured that no matter how
much rehearsed leftist poo poo they regurgitate from their
anti-American slogan drenched bible, I will always win the debate.
The socialist philosophy like the commie philosophy never really
was and never will be. It is an idealism that ignores all the basic
attributes of fundamental human behavior and attempts to mask
it with carrot-on-a-stick rewards that do not exist in the reality
of the world. Their main argument, not unlike the very same
tactic the so-called Democratic party uses today, is to criticize
the 'weaknesses' of Democracy. When in effect the alternatives
to a Democratic system either don't work or simply demean
humanity for their own reward. Contrary to your belief as well as
your comrades and others, Democracy and Capitalism are not
interchangeable. Capitalism only works right when Democracy
works. When Capitalism exists without a Democracy, it is
no longer Capitalism. It then becomes dictatorial socialism.
Please send that one to your buddies Fidel, Chavez their
Asian and so-called Islamic counterparts.
> > in America because we give them the freedom and liberty
> > to voice their opinions no matter how contradictory to our
> > core values. You will not find this in any other country in the
> > world. Not in Mexico, not in France and certainly not in China,
> > North Korea, Iran, Venezuela, modern day Russia or Cuba.
> > In many of those countries you would be shot or imprisoned.
> > In others you would just disappear.
> >
> > Illegal immigration taxes those that pay taxes and work hard to
> > make an honest living. But again I don't think you would understand
> > this, because you feel like so many others, that just because you
> > come to America you are guaranteed a nice car, a nice home,
> > nice clothes and to be rich like the 'rich', 'white' guy.
>
> ROFL! You think the mojados standing freezing their butts off in a
> corner waiting to be picked up really aspire to that? They want to
> send money home and would rather be there than in such a cold ugly
> country so full of sour people.
But if I gave a 'mojado' as you so derogatively refer to them, a
million
bucks they would donate it to the Catholic church right?
> > You don't feel
> > there is anything wrong with an employer using cheap immigrant
> > labor to destroy competitors that do not employ illegals.
>
> Neither do the plutocrats and they take the decisions.
>
> > And you
> > don't think that a large illegal immigrant population is just another
> > form of slavery. I actually feel sorry for people like you because
> > they will go through life confused, disillusioned and bitter with hatred.
>
> Naw, the mojados understand that they are here to work not to get
> stoned or practice other 'murrican values like mindless consumption.
> They had jobs in Mexico but the GNP differential gives them 10X what
> they would otherwise obtain for the same manual labor. The plutocrats
> want them here. In fact, they get invited. There are many billboards
> in Mexico encouraging them to come put up by Tyson et al. You are a
> lapdog and a bully. You "respect" your fat white plutocrats and would
> stomp on the mojados are they are defenseless. IF you had any balls
> you would be going after the wall street types that are the ones that
> created the problem in the first place but you are too chickenshit to
> do this.
You don't know me at all or my accomplishments.
I'll leave you to your own demise as I see your cup is full
and you are beginning to be redundant.
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TOPIC: Seize Muslims!!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f6b48ff18d3203f4
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 12 2006 8:35 pm
From: "SheddingLion"
Seize Muslims!! Islam wills nothing. Since the day your ancestor Cain
murdered Abel you have been marked for punishment by Yahweh that today
is known as the Almighty God of Israel, Judaism, and all mankind
including you Muslims.
Allah is a figment of the imagination of imbeciles. There is only one
God and that is Yahweh the King of the Universe, Source of all Life and
Energy, Divine Creator, the Merciful Redeemer, Compassionate Healer and
the Ultimate Judge over all forms of human beings and heavenly beings
including all spiritual and bodied Angels.
Istish-haad is not true martyrdom but rather the words of ignoramuses
and murderers. Yahweh the Almighty God of Israel rules over the
utterances of Allah for Allah exists only in the imagination of morons.
Martyrdom is not necessary but faith, love and hope that generates
from the obedient Tzadeckim of the Torah and her statues is necessary
for mankind to exist at peace with each other.
The jihad bis saif of Islam is the failure of the self discipline of
love instead of hate. The Shahid of the jihad bis saif of Islam remain
with the rotting corpses of the dead while Yahweh the King of the
Universe, Source of all Life and Energy, Divine Creator, the Merciful
Redeemer, Compassionate Healer and the Ultimate Judge over all forms of
human beings and heavenly beings including all spiritual and bodied
Angels resurrects his chosen People the Jews that are the Children of
Israel that are the Ivrim but not the Shahid of Islam.
Seize Muslims!! Take up the Yoke of the Torah and live, for the Quran
is destined to burn in the fires of Gehinnom.
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TOPIC: Where are all the great ruins of the Negro nations?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5cfe37852f40f77c
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 12 2006 11:36 pm
From: Voice Of Reason <>
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 18:48:07 -0700, Von Bailey
<ovbailey@noneofyourbusiness.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 21:54:06 -0400, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"James Crow" <dont_let_the_sun_go_down_on_you_bw@h.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:drrmvi$vfj$1@domitilla.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aztecs, Mayans, Egyptians, Babylonians, Chinese, Japanese, Europeans, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They all had their great buildings and their great empires with plenty of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ruins and evidence to show it. Egyptians are famous for their great
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pyramids, Aztecs and Mayans had temples and cities, Romans had colosseums,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chinese had the great wall... all evidence of great empires.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Someone help me find a link to the great Sub-Saharan Negro Pyramids, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great Negro Wall, or how about the great paved roads connecting the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greatand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Superior Negro Empires. I would like to see great stone Negro castles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evidence of bronze swords and armor, the great Negro Aqueducts that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spanned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for miles, and the Great Negro Architectural bridges.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So where are all these sub-Saharan nations that ya read about in books
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that existed before the War? How many? 20? 30? Name them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Three or four come to mind...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ghana, with a history that listed 44 Kings before Christ and as far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>back as the 7th century BC. It was known as the "Land of Gold"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>because it supplied the mineral on an international basis and had an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>iron industry for over a thousand years. Using the Niger and lesser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rivers in the empire they were able to build a system of cities and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>towns that produced commercial goods for the world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Not as independent nation, but a collection of regional tribes, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>then later a British colony as part of its so-called Gold Coast.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ghana did not become a nation until 1957, 12 years *after* the War.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Try again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>They imported salt, textiles, cowrie shells, brass, dates, figs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>pearls, fruit, sugar, dried rasins and hoone. Some of heir chief
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>exports were gold, ivory, rubber. In 1060, the impreial army numbered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>200,000 of which 100,000 were mounted and 40,000 were expertly trained
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bow and arrow brigades. Their most famous schools were Kumbi-Saleh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and Dejenne (also known as Kumbi-Kumbi and Jenne respectively) and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>world renowned school called The University fo Sankore was at Timbuktu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(just north of Ghana).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mali, under the rule of Muslim kings, the greatest of which was Mansa
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Musa, who wanted to be known as the greatest Black Muslim in all of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Africa. Under his rule Mali indulged in international trade. By the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mid 1300's Mali was an empire of it's own right. It controled the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>salt mines of Taghaza, encompassed Nigeria in the east and Fulani in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the west.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nope. Mali become a nation in 1960.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Songhay, their most prosperous time during the 15th and 16th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>centuries. It had a long history of dias (kings) that coul be traced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>back to the 7th century. They had gained control over the main
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>caravan city in western Africa Gao. With this as a foundation they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>built a nation that lasted until the mid 1600s.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Mossi States, an amagamation of kingdoms with common values and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>kinship. The most prominent of which were Wagdug, Yatenga, Fada
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gurma, Mamprussi and Dagomba. They had the most successful calvary in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Africa and stood their own against the empires of Mali and Songhay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>They had a political structure that started with a King of Kings (as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>each individual state had a govenor who had absolute control of his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>particular state) and a prime minister.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>There are quite a few more. If you're really interested (and that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sarcastic as I know you aren't) you might start with Chancellor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Williams "The destruction of Black Civilization, Great issues of race
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>from 4500 B.C to 2000 A.D." It's where I got some of the information
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>above.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>These were not nations, but as you yourself quoted above, but loose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>collections ("amalgamation of kingdoms") of tribes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Just look at the current state of the Congo for how they existed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hundreds of years ago -- almost non-stop skirmishs between numerous
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>regional groups (tribes) and sometimes all-out warfare.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>There was a time when the losers of these battles would be sold off by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the victors into slavery, and yes, pass through what is now known as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ghana on their way to the New World. So much for their "great ruins".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thank you for that 'non-referenced' pack of lies and ignorance about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>place you have demonstrated supreme stupidity about. It appears that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your entire knowledge of African history appears to be what you read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in the captions of National Geographic while looking for pictures of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>women's breast to jack off to ass a kid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nice try but wrong all around. IF ya have facts (not wild-eyed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>guesses) that repudiate what I said, then post them right here .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I cited a book that backs up everything I've said and you have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>refernced NOTHING. There is plenty of evidence of nations and even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>empires in sub-sahara africa and your stupidity and ignorance about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>them doesn't change that it the least. Your comments didn't do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anything except demonstrate what you think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So what, anyone can write a book and say whatever they want. Nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>changes the fact that the colonial era ended after WW II.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>The work has already been done and the evidence is in the book. Your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>inability to read a book is the only thing keeping you from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>information.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0840304587/sr=8-1/qid=1143639149/ref=sr_1_1/104-3978265-5687924?%5Fencoding=UTF8
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm not going to do your homework for you. IF the evidence exists,
>>>>>>>>>>>>you need to spit it out in a coherent manner. And no, book reviews on
>>>>>>>>>>>>Amazon don't count, since anyone can go there and write a book review,
>>>>>>>>>>>>without even having read the book.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>It's not a reference to book reviews stupid, it was a source for the
>>>>>>>>>>>book which would present the evidence in a "coherent manner". Still
>>>>>>>>>>>running from the evidence. You would rather stay ignorant than
>>>>>>>>>>>challenge your racist assumptions.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>And anyone can write a book too. You should put forth some concrete
>>>>>>>>>>evidence right here and now, or else withdraw your claims.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The book is the evidence stupid and until you read the book you have
>>>>>>>>>no idea if the evidence in it is correct or not. But again, to many
>>>>>>>>>words for you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Nope, one more time: Anyone can write a book. So I don't have time
>>>>>>>>to read every book that comes down the pike. YOU made the claim, now
>>>>>>>>show the "evidence" that prompted you to make this claim, or else do
>>>>>>>>the right thing and withdraw it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thank you for admiting you don't have time to read the evidence and
>>>>>>>also an apparent display of obtuseness. The EVIDENCE is in the book
>>>>>>>you won't read and you aren't apparenly bright enough to realize that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Let's try this again -- anyone can write a book.
>>>>>
>>>>>If that's true, or even a relevant argument, where's your book?
>>>>
>>>>The first 2/3's of your sentence are true and relevant, but the last
>>>>1/3, well that's another story.
>>>>
>>>Your irrelevant judgment shall be assumed another pitiful attempt to
>>>avoid reading a book. Scared of what's in it no doubt. Harder to stay
>>>in denial when you've actually read the evidence.
>>
>>IOW, you probably read a book review somewhere, or heard someone
>>hawking the book on a talk show, and you decided well by golly there's
>>something you can wave around as if you knew something.
>
>No stupid. Unlike you I read books and have read this one.
Where's the proof?
>> But if I ask
>>you to cut to the chase and show me specifics from the book, suddenly
>>you throw it out the window and ask me to go find it, and do your
>>research for you.
>>
>If reading a book is too much work for you fine. It's no secret that
>you are ignorant and you spelling out why is informative.
"It's no secret that you are ignorant" may not be a "secret" to you,
but it's just plain wrong to everyone else. Now show us you
*actually* read the book, and not just a book review somewhere.
>>>>>>So the mere fact
>>>>>>that someone wrote one is not enough to prove anything, you cannot
>>>>>>simply throw titles around and say go read it.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's more relevant than your references to unnamed policemen,
>>>>>libraries (but not specific books), and assumptions of things that
>>>>>'everyone knows'
>>>>
>>>>Because everyone knows that I don't make stuff up out of thin air.
>>>
>>>That's a lie. Everyone knows no such thing and it isn't true just
>>>because you say so.
>>
>>No, it's true because it is.
>>
>LOL. That's the usual level of your logic and I expected no more.
Wrong. You expected the truth, and I gave it to you, and it hurt.
>>>>Like reading *one* book that may or not have been peer reviewed, much
>>>>less vetted and found to be reliable, then basing my claims around
>>>>that.
>>>>
>>>And as usual, instead of refuting the veracity of the evidence (which
>>>you would have to read and comprehend, something beyond your abilities
>>>apparently) you make unfounded comments about it.
>>
>>Well I'm waiting for you to show some specifics from it.
>>
>I have alread done that. Then you commented about what you read in
>national geographic demonstrating your ignorance.
Nope, I don't suscribe to that magazine. Try again. Hint: Don't
guess.
>>>>>>YOU made the claim
>>>>>>about said evidence, so spit it out. Show me specific passages from
>>>>>>the book that you think support your claim. If possible.
>>>>>
>>>>>Like I said, you can't read a book. It would be sad if you weren't so
>>>>>pitiful.
>>>>
>>>>No, I can't (and won't) read YOUR books for you. *You* cited it, now
>>>>show that you read it.
>>>
>>>It's not my book stupid and I've already cited it.
>>
>>Yes, I *know* you've cited it, just like I said.
>
>Then dispute what was cited with something besides your imagination.
>Oh wait, you can't. That's the source of 99% of your diatribes.
What, exactly, did you cite from the book? Specifics, please.
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