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* THERMITE USED IN WTC DEMOLITION - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b5dc051ba7c1a4a9
* Holocaust Calendar: April 13 What really happened to the 6 million. just for
you jgar - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c31944efc7547831
* BOYCOTT COMPANIES THAT SUPPORT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION - Add to this list - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/905a98f75a37edde
* Is the "Gay Life" Really Gay? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6b88140d63876848
* EINSTEIN-PHONY.LIAR,PLAGIARIST! - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/252ea6d968f0cf6d
* British MP: Zionist Murderers Must Be Punished - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/62e19872d13b6f40
* Thank you, India admirer ! - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Bangla Terrorist Groups Involved In Varanasi Bomb Blats - 2 messages, 1
author
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* 3-Bromopyruvate - 1 messages, 1 author
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* What a speech!! - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Secondary factors why Eyeran wants nukes - 1 messages, 1 author
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* World War III NEWS, Tuesday, April 11th, 2006 AD....Bush's "Nuclear Option" -
1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: THERMITE USED IN WTC DEMOLITION
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b5dc051ba7c1a4a9
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Date: Fri, Apr 14 2006 12:30 am
From: Don Ocean
The Rev'd wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:37:27 +1200, "Steffi Green"
> <green1583@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
>> serwad wrote:
>>>> I don't know what you needs are, but I can see by your posts that
>>>> you're a good person, more than what I can say about myself at
>>>> times, especially when I'm communicating with those that post
>>>> hatred towards Americans and Jews.
>>> Jews can never be Americans, their loyalty is to the mob!
>>>
>>> http://www.teambio.org/2006/04/marines-under-attack/
>>
>>
>>
>> Muslims can never be American, their loyalty is to their own.
>
> How ironic coming from a jew - a race known worldwide for its divided
> loyalties.
No shit!`~! Jews are the most untrustworthy creatures om earth.
http://www.ussliberty.com
>
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TOPIC: Holocaust Calendar: April 13 What really happened to the 6 million.
just for you jgar
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c31944efc7547831
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Date: Fri, Apr 14 2006 5:36 am
From: "princeandy"
"princeandy" <andy@homw.com> wrote in message
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>
> "jgarbuz" <jgarbuz@netzero.com> wrote in message
> news:1144943030.573036.226890@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > princeandy wrote:
> > > thousands of Jews were not bothered by the Nazis or by the fate of
their
> > > "convicted" co-religionists. They went on with their daily lives in
> Germany
> > > while the world was running amok about the "harsh treatment of Jews in
> > > Germany." <
> >
> > I wasn't aware that the "world was running amok" about the harsh
> > treatment of Jews
> > in Germany. The world was as upset about it as they were later over
> > Cambodia, Rwanda
> > or what is going on in Darfur today. There were words and crocodile
> > tears, but not much
> > more. The US entered the war after it was bombed by the Japanese and
> > Germany
> > subsequently declaring war upon it. SUre there were many people who
> > were sympathetic
> > to what they were reading, but not many who were prepared to go to war
> > over it.
Yeah well the problem is are you interested in what happened to your family?
Gas was ony responsible for perhaps 1 million murders as it came into
> use late in the war.
> None of my family was murdered in a gas chamber as far as I know. They
> were shot and
> probably ended up in a ditch, and undoubtedly burned later on. When
> the Russian front
> began to fizzle for Germany, many pits were dug up and much of the
> human "evidence"
> was burned into ash. Incidentally, I checked the Holocaust database to
> see if any of them
> are in their a few years back, and none were mentioned there at all.
> And when I tried to
> enter the names in the database myself, I was sent a long ball busting
> questionnaire and finally decided to say "fuck it" and gave up trying
> to put their names in there. So no one alive
> knows about my family's deaths but ME! My mom is now dead, and I don't
> think there is
> anyone still alive who could verify my family ever existed. And I'm not
> going to Poland as
> some Jews to roam around and try to find old people who by off chance
> MAY have known
> them. What for? To prove something to holocaust deniers? They are
> never going to change
> no matter what in any case.
For your edification there were over 3 million Polish nonjews who ended up
in those camps for trying to help you.
Six Million Polish Citizens Were Killed During the Holocaust of World War
II.
Half of These Polish Citizens Were Non-Jews.
http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/poland.htm
http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/forgottensurvivors.htm
http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/
Holocaust Pictures and Stories - Non-Jewish Holocaust - The Forgotten
Holocaust
http://www.papurec.org/pnl/1.htm
Yeah and you jog your mum's memory and you'll find that she probably quite
enjoyed her life in Poland and associated, ulike zionist propaganda, quite
well with non jewish neighbours.
But like you they were what zionists considered dickheads. Out of the loop.
So they did not know what was going on or who to be afraid of.and I am not
saying there are no arseholes in this world who would happily beat you, any
black or even their brother for some belief or the other.
And you keep readfing your zionists books and you will be so convinced of
anti semitism that you will be lucky if you are game to walk outside.
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TOPIC: BOYCOTT COMPANIES THAT SUPPORT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION - Add to this list
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/905a98f75a37edde
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Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 10:36 pm
From: "Harbin"
Also, be sure to add employers to this web site too, and try to keep all the
data concentrated in one place for easy reference:
WeHireAliens.com
http://www.wehirealiens.com/
--
SeeYaa:) Harbin Osteen KG6URO
This is YOUR future:
http://halturnershow.com/aztlan_caps.wmv
-
"Tx Max King" <txmxking@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:xll%f.21120$yy4.17173@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>I am ready to boycott corporations that support illegal immigration amnesty.
> If you know of any corporations or large companies that are openly
> supporting illegal immigration amnesty by their actions, please list them in
> this thread.
> Let's get the word out and let these lawbreakers that are profitting from
> you with their illegal actions, know that we as citizens and consumers mean
> BUSINESS.
> I personally do not want to spend my hard earned dollar on corporations that
> are cheating at the expense of hard working, tax paying Americans.
>
>
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TOPIC: Is the "Gay Life" Really Gay?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6b88140d63876848
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Date: Fri, Apr 14 2006 12:43 am
From: "Miss Candia"
"ReelMcKoi" another Jabriol sock-puppet <ReelMckoi@mailinator.com> wrote in
message news:1144948341.585238.94750@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
Is that you Carol?
No. Have you found a JW hitman to silence your victims yet Antonio? What do
you plan do to their grandkids? You said you'd kill their pets "slowly and
painfully" yourself. What about the grandkids? What do you plan to do to
them? The same thing you said you'd do to the pets? Other Jehovah's
Witnesses should know what you're planning to do to this family.
--
Tony Jr & Candia S...
http://www.freeminds.org/history/part1.htm
http://www1.tip.nl/~t661020/wtcitaten/part1.htm
http://www.concordance.com/watchtower.htm
>>> * <<< >>> * <<< >>> * <<< >>> * <<<
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TOPIC: EINSTEIN-PHONY.LIAR,PLAGIARIST!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/252ea6d968f0cf6d
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Date: Fri, Apr 14 2006 5:46 pm
From: "Tilly"
Ben Cramer wrote:
> "Mimi" <mimi@mini-me.com> wrote in message
> news:e1iosp$efj$1@news1.xnet.hr...
> > > >
> > > > Hopefully noone desires such pretentious and pathetic title
> > > > like "the man who changed the world"...
> > >
> > > What the hell are you talking about.
> >
> >
> > There are different ways you can ask someone to explain you when
> > you are unfamiliar with certain subject of discussion.
> >
> > You have chosen the "what-the-hell" one, the one I dislike at most.
> > Therefore, I respond to you by the type of answer that is also
> > rather unpopular: FUCK OFF !
>
> You receive the respect you deserve, you disgusting little jew slag.
Projecting Ben?
--
TillyGr@hotmail.com
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 14 2006 4:10 pm
From: "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com>
"Tilly" <TillyGr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Ben Cramer wrote:
>> "Mimi" <mimi@mini-me.com> wrote in message
>> news:e1iosp$efj$1@news1.xnet.hr...
>> > > >
>> > > > Hopefully noone desires such pretentious and pathetic title
>> > > > like "the man who changed the world"...
>> > >
>> > > What the hell are you talking about.
>> >
>> >
>> > There are different ways you can ask someone to explain you when
>> > you are unfamiliar with certain subject of discussion.
>> >
>> > You have chosen the "what-the-hell" one, the one I dislike at most.
>> > Therefore, I respond to you by the type of answer that is also
>> > rather unpopular: FUCK OFF !
>>
>> You receive the respect you deserve, you disgusting little jew slag.
>
> Projecting Ben?
Nope. Statement of fact.
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TOPIC: British MP: Zionist Murderers Must Be Punished
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/62e19872d13b6f40
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Date: Fri, Apr 14 2006 5:53 am
From: "princeandy"
"docremington" <docremington@safe-mail.net> wrote in message
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> vesuvian.doppelgange@lycos.com wrote:
> > Published on Wednesday, April 12, 2006 by the Independent / UK
> > We Cannot Allow These Murders to Go Unpunished
> > We can demand these homicidal Israeli soldiers be prosecuted for war
> > crimes
> > by Gerald Kaufman
> >
>> > But, when it comes to the murder of Britons by trigger-happy Israeli
> > soldiers, the self-serving apologia of Israeli atrocities by right-wing
> > Israelis and their sympathisers loses all credibility.
>
> Why do britons have to behave like in the "Stupid Behavior Caught On
> Tape" series, in the first place?
>
> > New territory is opened by the verdict of the inquests in Britain that
> > the British peace activist Tom Hurndall and the British film-maker
> > James Miller were murdered by Israeli soldiers in the Gaza Strip. As
> > Britons we have the right to require action by our own government when
> > our own nationals are stated by legal authorities in our own country to
> > be the victims of homicide by a foreign power. If the Speaker allows me
> > when the Commons reconvenes next Tuesday after the Easter recess, I
> > shall be asking my friend and colleague Jack Straw what action he
> > proposes to take about the murder of Hurndall and Miller.
>
> The Hurnball idiot wrote:
> "April 6 2003. I have been shot at, gassed, chased by soldiers, had
> sound grenades thrown within metres of me, been hit by falling debris
> and been in the way of a 10-tonne D-9 that didn't stop."
> Noone made him do that.
> As to the Miller idiot, let us proceed directly to this nice sketch:
> http://www.fmft.net/archives/gazaplan/gazasketch.gif
> Why did the journo gang leave the building and set out toward an active
> APC, positioned in about 100 m from the building at the border with
> Egypt, in an area, known to erupt into gunfire at any time, and were
> filming it too? It is evident that, if they wanted to leave, all they
> should have done for it was turning the corner and getting lost between
> buildings 5 and 6 into the palisimian habitat. When this is answered,
> then there will be something to talk about. So, what "children" did
> they, possibly, hope to find on a dark moonless night, with a
> night-vision device, "suffering" around an APC in a hot zone - the
> Philadelphi route, a buffer zone at the egyptian border, where
> palisimians used to shoot at the IDF at any time?
>
Nah it's like that in war zones where the most intelligent portion by their
own estimation walked quietly into nazi camps to help nazis out by working
for nothing, providing labrats, sex slaves and sex toys for the nazis.
Why, because the same guys who are calling the shots for the same dumb
confused jews who survived all that and are still thanking the zionist for
their wonderful help, after all they did say you were safest in Palestine.
And the rest would be toughened up for Palestine.
http://www.nowar-paix.ca/nowar/forum/6973
HOW TO KEEP ACADEMICS QUIET
The Israel Lobby John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/mear01_.html
The Jewish ghetto police always had the option, she said, of "throwing off
their uniforms and joining the rest of us" - a point that Yitzak Zuckerman,
a leader of the Warsaw ghetto uprising, made in his memoir.
http://www.theexperiment.org/articles.php?news_id=2139
Without Jewish co operation through the zionists the Germans would never
have had the resources to herd the Jews into the various camps. And the
zionists made it impossible for the underground to trust the jews.
Like elsewhere, the only people who had the information and the ear of the
frightened Jewish population were the Judenrat. In this case the Judenrat
comprised mainly the Zionist Federation members. Without their help the SS,
with 19 officers and less than 90 men, plus a few hundred Hungarian police,
could not have collected and controlled a million Jews, when they did not
even know their whereabouts. Kastner and the others were left under no
illusions. Eichmann told Joel Brand, one of the members of Kastner's
committee, that he intended to send all Hungary's Jews to Auschwitz, before
he even started the expulsions! He told them clearly that all these Jews
will die, 12,000 a day, unless certain conditions were met.
http://www.geocities.com/chabaan_2000/safad.HTM
Is The same authors also describe co-operation between Zionist leaders and
Eichmann. It is interesting to note that the extreme right-wing revisionists
only chose wealthy Jews for emigration, whereas other Zionists insisted on
taking only young and healthy Jews. Eichmann helped them to carry out these
plans, in return for which the Zionist Organization paid large sums to the
Nazis. As Kimche says about the Zionist delegates in Germany: They had not
come to Germany to save Jews. That was not their job. When the Nazis began
the systematic murder of Jews in 1941, the Zionists decided neither to
support Jewish resistance in Europe, nor to attack the Nazis, nor to say
anything about the mass liquidation of their fellow Jews. Their sole purpose
was to save certain selected Jews as future settlers in Palestine. They were
not interested in Jews who wished to stay in their home countries and fight
the Nazis.
>"Kastner must be brought to trial as a Nazi collaborator. And at this
>trial, Kastner should defend himself as a private citizen, and not be
>defended by the Israeli Government..." (14 July 1955).
>
>*Haboker*, the pro-Government General Zionist party paper stated:
>
>"The public wants to know the real facts about Kastner, and not about
>him alone. The only way to find out the truth is to put all the Rescue
>Committee people on trial and give them a chance to offer their
>defense." (23 June 1955)
>
>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>Government of Israel.
>
>As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>
>"If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
> disclose." (23 June 1955)
>
>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for criminal
>libel.
>
>As Dr. Karlebach wrote in Israel's largest evening newspaper,
>"Kastner must be brought to trial as a Nazi collaborator. And at this
>trial, Kastner should defend himself as a private citizen, and not be
>defended by the Israeli Government..." (14 July 1955).
>
>*Haboker*, the pro-Government General Zionist party paper stated:
>
>"The public wants to know the real facts about Kastner, and not about
>him alone. The only way to find out the truth is to put all the Rescue
>Committee people on trial and give them a chance to offer their
>defense." (23 June 1955)
>
>But public opinion was not quite unanimous. The problem with bringing
>Kastner and his associates to trial was that his associates were the
>Government of Israel.
>
>As the evening paper *Yedi'ot Aharonot* said:
>
>"If Kastner is brought to trial the entire government faces a total
>political and national collapse - as a result of what such a trial may
> disclose." (23 June 1955)
>
>Accordingly, the Government of Israel did not put Kastner on trial,
>instead it filed an appeal against the acquittal of Greenwald for criminal
>libel.
> What internation law is being thumped here, I wonder?
>
> > [Gerald Kaufman is Labour MP for Manchester, Gorton, and former Shadow
> > Foreign Secretary, 1987-92.]
>
> Evidently, all that is no protection from being obtuse, isn't it?
>
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TOPIC: Thank you, India admirer !
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e5d8f7ba709dcb5b
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Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 10:56 pm
From: "Seeker" <4not_listed_due_to_spam_bots_121101@dont.reply>
<gunjan.ghai@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Seeker
>
> Responses marked as ++++
>
> Seeker wrote:
> > <gunjan.ghai@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1144866589.996341.206700@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > > Seeker
> > >
> > > Responses marked as @@@@
> > >
> > > Seeker wrote:
> > > > <gunjan.ghai@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1144773039.636660.300320@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > Seeker
> > > > >
> > > > > I sense that you are softening up as a person...thanking people
for
> > > > > being concerned about your health ;-) Maybe you can teach new
tricks
> > > > > too an old &#@$.....well...I will not use the word....i respect
elders
> > > > > ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Ok....So you are saying a tiny fraction of people are troubled in
> > > > > pakistan ? Well....if I remember correctly....the language
minorities
> > > > > make up 45% of pakistan...and then add the 12% Shias
> > > > > proportionately.....viola...you have 50% !!!!! Amazing how you can
> > call
> > > > > that a tiny number !!!!
> > > >
> > > > First, you must learn to add. 45 + 12 is not equal to 50. OK. I
don't
> > know
> > > > what kind of schooling Bajrangdal provided you, but there are
serious
> > flaws
> > > > in your education assuming that you have some intelligence to start
> > with.
> > > > Maybe that is not a valid assumption.
> > >
> > > @@@@ ha ha....READ old man....I said....If I add 12% shias
> > > PROPORTIONATELY.....That means I assume 45% of the 12% Shias are
> > > language minorities....that leaves 5.4%...approximated for your little
> > > brain to 5%....added to 45%....makes 50%....SO MUCH FOR YOUR MADRASA
> > > EDUCATION.......NOW THAT YOU HAVE BEEN PROVEN A FOOL AT MATHS....CAN
> > > YOU ANSWER MY QUESTION....YOU HAVE AVOIDED IT FOR AGES....sorry for
the
> > > caps..had to make you realise your stupidity
> >
> > I have never claimed to be a genius, but you were not clear as to what
you
> > meant. If this is what you meant, then this is what you should have
said.
>
> ++++ You never sounded like a genius anyways....Its your limitation to
That's ok. I don't want to sound like a genius, but would you know it if
someone sounded like a genius?
> not understand anything I say...because you dont want to believe
> it....i was clear in the use of the word 'proportionately'
While you may have used the term 'proportionately' you did not indicate
clearly what you were talking about. Later on your clarified, so why
couldn't you have done it in the first place.
Now, stop being so abusive.
>
> >
> > >
> > > > If these people are more than 50%, then they are not minorities.
Right?
> > > >
> > > > You also lack the faculty to understand what I said. Yes, there is a
> > > > sizeable minority in Pakistan, but they are not targeted more than
any
> > other
> > > > class. So only a tiny fraction of people, regardless of language or
> > > > religion, are ever affected by government action. On that basis, you
> > can't
> > > > say that people are persecuted in Pakistan.
> > >
> > > @@@@ So you would call it a persecution if ALL of the 50% of the
> > > potential targets are harmed....My friend....even if a small sample of
> > > these people are targetted.....its crime enough....and they are not
> > > targetted more than any other what class ? And no one is talking about
> > > government action....I am talking about Sunnis blowing up Shia
> > > mosques...the karachi bomb blasts...the riots against mohajirs.....why
> > > blame it on your government when its your internal clashes breaking
out
> > > ?....I have never denied that the 'lower castes' are still mistreated
> > > in India in the villages and backward areas...but if I take up your
> > > logic and say that only a small percentage of them are mistreated...I
> > > would be running away from the truth like you are trying....but I am
> > > not you....and i can do maths 10 times better than a paki can....proof
> > > as you read above
> > >
> > > > Why don't you take a trip to Pakistan (after asking Kali ma for
Shakti
> > of
> > > > course), and see for yourself how good things are.
> > >
> > >
> > > @@@@ Again abuses....Why should I visit Pakistan....The only reason I
> >
> > What is abusive about it?
>
>
> ++++ Abusive is when you refer to Kali ma for Shakti....she has given
Why is that abusive? Isn't what you hindus chant yourselves? If you say
"Allahoakbar," I wont' say you are being abusive, but then I am not ashmed
of my religion like you.
> us enough Shakti to break your back in 1971, 1965, Kargil and
> Siachen....Dont forget 'Assal Uttar' and 90,000 prisoners of
> war....your allah drives you to kill each other....bomb blasts on
> moderate sunnis by hardline sunnis....i mean...come on !!! LoL
>
> > > may ever want to visit would be for business...and that means
> > > Karachi...and that means bomb blasts....thanks but no thanks....
> > > :-).....And I dont need to ask Kali ma......narendra modi invoked
> > > shakti ma before he went and taught the muslims a lesson...he is good
> > > enough :-)....and I am man of numbers and truth....not about
> >
> > A terrorists supports a terrorist. A neutral country like the US has
banned
> > Modi for his terrorism.
>
> ++++ He has been voted as the best chief minister for a state in
> India....Gujarat is the most rapidly progressing state today...of
> course....muslims dont like the fact that there is a man who knows
> economics and can teach discipline to fanatics at one go....i
Supposedly, OBL knows economics as well.
> guess...that sounds the opposite of what you are....no economics and a
> fanatic himself.
The US kicked Modi in his ass "Aik laat mari Modi ki ghand pay."
>
>
> > > perceptions (false or otherwise)....and we all know about your
> > > pedophile mohammed and the Allah who only sits and judges
> > > people....instead of asking them to question the kuran and make it
> > > modern....thanks but no thanks again.
> > >
> > >
> > > > > And who told you that a whole lot of 100s of million in india are
> > > > > persecuted ? Is this your fantasy to give you emotional relief
from
> > the
> > > > > bomb blasts, blow up rail links and the street fights with
mohajirs ?
> > > >
> > > > This is too comical. Majority of Indians are lower caste,
untouchables,
> > > > single-born, tribals, Muslims etc. They are are all killed by
Hindus.
> > >
> > > @@@@ They are ALL killed by Hindus....wow....how do they exist if ALL
> > > are killed by Hindus ? But in Pakistan its a small percentage only ?
ha
> > > ha...I told you...i never denied persecution exists....thats the
> > > difference between you and me....I accept the issues...My country is
> > > fixing its problems....every day, in letter and in spirit.....your
> > > countrymen only deny the problem...and even on this site....you fight
> > > Nusrat as a mohajir and abuse his ancestors for having fought for the
> > > creation of the very nation you live in !!! THAT MY FRIEND IS THE
> > > DIFFERENCE...besides the fact that your maths sucks as proven above
> >
> > Maybe my Math sucks although I have never been told that before, but you
> > need to state your point clearly?
>
> ++++ Read again.....learn some english...you will understand.....What
> I am saying is...you will NEVER find me calling a 'lower caste' hindu
> by names or killing them, abusing them...whereas you...you cant get
> over nusrat being a mohajir.....shows you a fractured view of
> pakistan..doesnt it ?
Show me where I have ever had a problem with Nusrat being a Muhajir.
> >
> > Are you a Sindhi Hindu?
>
> ++++ No....I am a Punjabi/Seraiki/Multani with roots in
> Bahawalpur....but look at you....you HAD to ask this
Timeout. Do you really? I spent part of my life in Bahawalpur. What part of
Bahawalpur did your people come from? Why did you leave Bahawalpur?
> question.....LoL....i am sure you have stereotypes about Sindhis as
> much as Hindus in your mind....too bad....i turn out a 'paindoo' like
> you !! LoL
>
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TOPIC: Bangla Terrorist Groups Involved In Varanasi Bomb Blats
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ee4fc3538a948b81
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 11:00 pm
From: "Seeker" <4not_listed_due_to_spam_bots_121101@dont.reply>
"baani" <baani.t@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
news:1144910496.293902.314030@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> Seeker wrote:
>
> Accounting rules are different in every country. You can't learn all
> about
> > accounting by reading websites etc. It is a complicated matter because
of
> > the very reasons we are having this discussion.
>
> Seeker,
>
> 1) Accounting principles for all countries remain the same in the
> entire world . All countries publish their financial data as per the
> International Accounting Standards ( IAS).
In the US it is FASB. Trust me accounting is very difficult. It is one of
the hardest business class. I am not talking about debits and credits.
What will differ are the
> rates i.e one country may charge interest @ 10% the other @ 4%
> 2) Any deviation from the commonly practiced norms is disclosed in the
> Notes of Accounts. Now even for a single moment I do not doubt the fact
> that Pakistan would be doing that.
Dude, you don't even know what you are talking about. There are so many
complicated issues, you simply can't learn about accounting by reading
wikipedia.
> 3) While preparing comparative data- data is reworked upon- brought on
> the same platform. So if you say that GDP of India includes Interest
> earned on money kept in bank accounts & Pakistan's doesn't then in
> that case to prepare comparative data- either the interest figures will
> be removed from India's GDP or they will be calculated for Pakistan &
> added to its GDP.
It is a known fact that India and China oversate their GDP. The actual
numbers are much lower.
> 4) All this information is easily available if you read one newspaper
> everyday.
Hahahahaha. You are funny, a stand up comedian. You can't learn financial
accounting by reading newspapers.
>
> So the per capital income of India & Pakistan are comparable until &
> unless the Pakistani government has really goofed up in preparing its
> accounts. My point stands validated...
>
> Thanks
> Baani
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Seeker wrote:
> > "baani" <baani.t@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1144852177.999499.77220@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> > > Seeker,
> > >
> > > We were discussing per capita income & GDP. To calculate GDP-
> > > Depreciation is added to the income. If you deduct depreciation from
> > > total income you will arrive at Net National Product (NNP).
> > >
> > > As of now GDP is divided by total population of the country to arrive
> > > at per capita income.
> > >
> > > Now your query:
> > > Seeker wrote
> > > GDP does not take into account how much money Pakistanis have in
> > > > banks, property etc.
> > >
> > > GDP includes the interest factor earned on any money kept in your
bank
> > > account. Also it includes includes depreciation so investement in
> > > property is also compensated.
> > >
> > > Seeker wrote
> > > Very good. Are you an accountant? BTW, we remove deperiation from net
> > > income
> > > to come up with the real income.
> > >
> > > No I am not an accountant.Just an informed citizen . And if we remove
> > > depreciation from Income we arrive at NNP.
> >
> > Accounting rules are different in every country. You can't learn all
about
> > accounting by reading websites etc. It is a complicated matter because
of
> > the very reasons we are having this discussion.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Seeker wrote:
> > > > "baani" <baani.t@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1144768099.591472.183890@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > Per capita income is total income of the country/ total
population. It
> > > > > > > includes all kinds of income mesaurable in monetary terms- so
even
> > > > > > > personal wealth of pakistanis was also taken into account
while
> > > > > > > calculating it..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No, it only takes the average incremental income (even that is a
> > rough
> > > > > > measure). Wealth (i.e. assets etc) are not included. Also, GDP
is
> > based
> > > > on
> > > > > > numbers reported by each government. CIA is not collecting
original
> > > > data. If
> > > > > > "gunjan.ghai" thinks that Pakistan is screwed up, then surely he
> > can't
> > > > quote
> > > > > > numbers reported by Pakistan as air tight facts. But I blame
> > > > gunjan.ghai's
> > > > > > education for this lack of critical thinking ability.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Value of Assets can never be taken as a part of income.
> > > >
> > > > Asset is a sum of liability and equity. Retained earnings contribute
to
> > > > equity. GDP does not take into account how much money Pakistanis
have in
> > > > banks, property etc.
> > > >
> > > > >Depreciation is
> > > > > added to the total income to compensate for the use of assets.
> > > >
> > > > Very good. Are you an accountant? BTW, we remove deperiation from
net
> > income
> > > > to come up with the real income.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Seeker wrote:
> > > > > > "baani" <baani.t@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:1144754573.280737.156990@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > > Seeker,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Per capita income is total income of the country/ total
> > population. It
> > > > > > > includes all kinds of income mesaurable in monetary terms- so
even
> > > > > > > personal wealth of pakistanis was also taken into account
while
> > > > > > > calculating it..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No, it only takes the average incremental income (even that is a
> > rough
> > > > > > measure). Wealth (i.e. assets etc) are not included. Also, GDP
is
> > based
> > > > on
> > > > > > numbers reported by each government. CIA is not collecting
original
> > > > data. If
> > > > > > "gunjan.ghai" thinks that Pakistan is screwed up, then surely he
> > can't
> > > > quote
> > > > > > numbers reported by Pakistan as air tight facts. But I blame
> > > > gunjan.ghai's
> > > > > > education for this lack of critical thinking ability.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >The one thing that it is not indicative off is
> > > > > > > distribution of income within the country.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > True.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Seeker wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > These numbers don't take into account the personal wealth of
> > average
> > > > > > > > Pakistanis. It simply states what the per-capita income may
be
> > in a
> > > > > > given
> > > > > > > > year based on domestic marginal product of labor.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
>
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 11:00 pm
From: "Seeker" <4not_listed_due_to_spam_bots_121101@dont.reply>
<gunjan.ghai@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1144944438.783034.16580@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Baani
>
> Well said..exactly my point
>
> here is my bet.....Seeker studied commerce uptill the 12th standard or
> its equivalent
Hahahaha. I have a masters degree in business.
>
> second.....Seeker is NOT going to answer your queries.......although he
> is trying to seek the help of fellow muslims/pakistanis to answer our
> questions....which can never be answered.
>
> Pakistanis
>
> send us someone who can debate this with us....not someone who believes
> that there are 'certain' reasons why we are wrong....but no
> data....never
>
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TOPIC: 3-Bromopyruvate
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/56bd1ab50c73c34e
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 14 2006 2:15 pm
From: "....lobert...."
Jamie wrote:
> Will there ever be a government in this world that will give free
> life-saving drugs to all its citizens who needed them to stay alive?
>
In UK, the medical is free.
> <rst0wxyz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1144860863.396754.105820@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> LifeManTalking wrote:
>>> People - Thanks for all your help and advice. Fatt had passed away
>>> peacefully 2 days ago. He had used my account to reach for help after
>>> learning about such a thing called usenet through my last few
>>> conversations with him. Regards.
>> Fighting to the last minute for his life. That's courage. Rest in
>> peace, T. Fatt.
>>
>>>
>>> rst0wxyz@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> LifeManTalking wrote:
>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am dying of advanced liver cancer. Heard the drug 3-Bromopyruvate
> can
>>>>> destroy advanced cancer cells.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any idea how I could get this drug?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for any help.
>>>>>
>>>>> regards,
>>>>> T. Fatt
>>>> Well, I talked to my son about your "advanced liver cancer". He said
>>>> "advanced liver cancer" is too general. There are too many different
>>>> types of liver cancer, and the best person to talk to is your
>>>> oncologist (your cancer specialist doctor) and he can get the
>>>> "3-Bromopyruvate" drug for you if he thinks it will do some good. He
>>>> said "3-Bromopyruvate" is still being tested with animals and there
> are
>>>> not too much information available on it. Since 2002, there are only
> 2
>>>> or 3 articles available on this drug.
>
>
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TOPIC: What a speech!!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/1827f4e9f2e5dce6
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 11:16 pm
From: "docremington"
Islam Will Replace Collapsing Amerikan Empire wrote:
> What a speech!! It is the first time I see the "Official American and
> Israeli establishment"... name by
> name...including Bush, take such a public whipping live and on air in the
> entire Arab world....and we were all watching and listening to every word!
> No wonder Western Media didn't DARE broadcast what
> Nasrallah said to Bush and Israel, to the Lebanese opposition and the rest
> of the world!!
>
What is Al Manar? A hezbullah TV station. What else might have come out
of it.
> What a day today was!!
Full of balderdash, indeed.
> Click here to listen
> http://www.almanar.com.lb/voicefiles/sayed30032006.htm
> http://www.almanar.com.lb/news.aspx?Language=en
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TOPIC: Secondary factors why Eyeran wants nukes
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a6b2f655b2a3f198
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 11:17 pm
From: "fruitella"
The eyeranian nu-cu-lar program picked up the pace after 1998 when
Pakistan detonated its nuke (supplied by China). Back then pakistan
with money from saudi arabia & uae and promises of pipelines from
UNOCAL/USA was trying to ensure the taliban's victory in afghanistan.
This was done by pakistan pumping in its own army regulars to spread
violence & terrorism in Afghanistan.
Eyeran along with Russia & India was backing the other side later known
as the northern alliance which was resisting pakistan/taliban's total
takeover of afghanistan. This group was opposed to pakistan's
imperial/terrorist agenda in afghanistan.
Anyway, one of the major secondary (or perhaps even primary) reason
eyeran wants the bomb is because pakitsan has it. Iran is majority
shia while pakistan is majority (wahabi) sunnis.
Many violent acts of terrorism are carried out by pakistani sunnis (who
are the majority in pakistan) against shias who are a minority just as
one sees today in Eyerack. The Eyeranians may be concerned (among
other things) about dealing with a future nuclear pakistan on more
equal terms.
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TOPIC: World War III NEWS, Tuesday, April 11th, 2006 AD....Bush's "Nuclear
Option"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e7dc73ae8d2b8475
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 11:22 pm
From: "\(Arcanus - UOSanctuary.com\)"
I agree with only one part of your reply. I think perhaps that he is doing
GODs will, as in the ancient days, GOD hardened the hearts of men so they
would take the action he wanted them to, as was their punishment anyways. I
doubt seriously GOD has anything to do with "population control" or anything
of the sort. It's simply His people vs the prince of lies' people.
GB is doing a bad thing, yet GOD might be moving him to do these things (by
GB's own vanity and blasphemy) to bring the "play" to an end at last.
"K Miller" <miller#k@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:5zE%f.5209$L.170882@news20.bellglobal.com...
> No one (except GB himself) said that he was in GOD's favour.
>
> But he is most definitely doing GOD's work. [After all, who's to say
> that GOD is not the real Puppet Master behind this whole thing
> ???] - Little bit of "Cleansing Of The Souls" (and the population
> Over-Flow) so to speak.
>
> And if nothing else, atleast it helps on solving the Over Population
> problem !!!
>
> :-o
>
>
> "(Arcanus - UOSanctuary.com)" <LegeJ@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:bqf%f.56$4O2.0@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>> I'm certain that kid had favor in GODs eyes. This puppet we have
> in charge
>> of our lives now, I doubt is even close...
>>
>> I read two news articles. One in the beginning of this whole war
> ragime.
>> He mentioned that GOD told him to take on this fight to get rid of
> terror in
>> the world. To make the world a better place for all. Somehow he
> was
>> supposed to be the savior for all of the world.
>>
>> Then recently I read the second article where a reporter asked him
> if he
>> thought that he ever thought that he would be bringing about the
> fortold end
>> of the world. He responded that he never even thought of it that
> way, that
>> all he thought he was doing was getting rid of terrorist. No more
> mention
>> of GOD whatsoever. To me, this monkey used GOD as a tool to win
> the people
>> over and when he knew he had us, hook line and sinker, he dropped
> the whole
>> GOD role and took on the real persona as the man of blood.
>>
>> It's a sad world when you look out your back door and all you see
> is the
>> dead of winter comming fast and eternal.
>>
>>
>> "K Miller" <miller#k@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:wt0%f.45$L.5220@news20.bellglobal.com...
>> > Someone had to 'become' the bringer of WAR.
>> >
>> > GOD told that TRUMPET kid to blow his horn to bring down the
> walls
>> > of Jericho.
>> >
>> > Imagine where the world would be NOW, if he hadn't blown that
> HORN
>> > ???
>> >
>> > :- |
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "(Arcanus - UOSanctuary.com)" <LegeJ@bellsouth.net> wrote in
> message
>> > news:WBV_f.3521$zh1.2063@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>> >> Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought this was why we voted
> this
>> > idiot in
>> >> office all along. I'm suprised so many "Christians" voted for
> him
>> > when it
>> >> was obvious to the "little people" that this is what was up his
>> > sleeve the
>> >> whole time. He said that GOD told him to start this war, but
> yet
>> > he dont
>> >> even think about the armageddon he's begun.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "K Miller" <miller#k@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> >> news:5eF_f.2964$%U2.197974@news20.bellglobal.com...
>> >> > Simple 'Smoke Screening'.
>> >> >
>> >> > Every Postman knows; "Its the Dog with NO BARK", that is the
> one
>> >> > that should be FEARED the MOST !!!
>> >> >
>> >> > Food For Thought [ or should I say : "Postal Snacks for the
> low
>> >> > lying Doberman." ] ???
>> >> >
>> >> > :-)
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "The Last 2444 DaysT ?" <stargatedecember2012@yahoo.ca> wrote
> in
>> >> > message
>> >> > news:1144723227.893796.101350@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >>From the Global Research website:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
> http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=%20PE20060410&articleId=2247
>> >> >
>> >> > Bush's "Nuclear Option"
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > by Evan Augustine Peterson III
>> >> >
>> >> > April 10, 2006
>> >> > GlobalResearch.ca
>> >> >
>> >> > Just in case you've gotten the impression that the Bush
>> >> > administration
>> >> > isn't seriously considering a military strike against Iran
> using
>> >> > both
>> >> > conventional and nuclear weapons, see the Amercan Progress
>> > Action
>> >> > Fund's 4-10-06 Progress Report, "The Nuclear Option." You
> can
>> > read
>> >> > it
>> >> > below or at:
>> >> >
>> >
> http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/apps/nl/newsletter2.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=917053
>> >> >
>> >> > On the brighter side, there are limits to the U.S. military's
>> >> > loyalty
>> >> > to Mr. Bush, and high-ranking American military officers have
>> > stated
>> >> > that they are adamantly opposed to the use of bunker-buster
>> > tactical
>> >> > nuclear weapons (i.e., so-called "mini-nukes"). Moreover,
>> > British
>> >> > Foreign Secretary Jack Straw has publicly stated that the
> idea
>> > of a
>> >> > nuclear strike against Iran is "completely nuts."
>> >> >
>> >> > Additionally, the Bush administration has only presented
>> > alarmist
>> >> > rhetoric, whereas they haven't presented any credible
> evidence.
>> >> > Hence,
>> >> > American politicians and journalists should be openly
>> > questioning
>> >> > the
>> >> > reliability of the intelligence behind the Bushites'
> allegations
>> >> > that:
>> >> > (1) a "nuclear crisis" exists vis-à-vis Iran; (b) Tehran is
>> > actively
>> >> > seeking a "nuclear weapons program"; and (c) Iran is somehow
>> > capable
>> >> > of
>> >> > "posing an imminent threat" to the USA and the UK with its
>> >> > non-existent
>> >> > phantom nukes.
>> >> >
>> >> > Finally, we should be deeply skeptical about the legitimacy
> of
>> > the
>> >> > Bush
>> >> > administration's casus belli, because: (a) we know that the
>> >> > war-profiteering neocons prefer their illegal "Bush Doctrine
> of
>> >> > Preemptive War" to the civilized pursuit of diplomatic and
>> > juridical
>> >> > solutions; (b) we have every reason to believe that a
>> > conventional
>> >> > aerial strike against Iran would quickly escalate into a
>> > regional
>> >> > war
>> >> > with global terrorist blowback; and (c) their plan for a
> nuclear
>> >> > strike
>> >> > against Iran is "completely nuts," insofar as it would be
> both a
>> >> > monstrous war crime and a humanitarian disaster of the first
>> >> > magnitude.
>> >> >
>> >> > Evan Augustine Peterson III, J.D.is Executive Director
> American
>> >> > Center
>> >> > for International Law ("ACIL")
>> >> >
>> >>
>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> -
>> > --
>> >> > ------------
>> >> >
>> >> > IRAN
>> >> >
>> >> > The Nuclear Option
>> >> >
>> >> > Amercan Progress Action Fund
>> >> >
>> >> > Senior Bush administration officials are considering plans
> for a
>> >> > massive bombing campaign in Iran to prevent the country from
>> >> > developing
>> >> > nuclear weapons, according to several recent accounts,
> including
>> > two
>> >> > this weekend by the Washington Post and Pulitzer
> Prize-winning
>> >> > journalist Seymour Hersh. Current U.S. plans also call for
> the
>> > use
>> >> > of
>> >> > nuclear weapons to destroy suspected underground weapons
>> > facilities,
>> >> > which would mark the first use of such weapons in 61 years.
>> > Former
>> >> > intelligence officials quoted by Hersh describe the planning
> as
>> >> > "enormous," "hectic" and "operational," though U.S. officials
>> > sought
>> >> > yesterday to play down the activities as "normal defense and
>> >> > intelligence planning." The truth is, there is no good
> military
>> >> > solution to the Iranian nuclear impasse. And while there are
>> >> > military
>> >> > options, each carries with it grave risks that threaten to
>> > undermine
>> >> > U.S. national security interests at home and abroad while
>> > actually
>> >> > speeding up Iran's development of nuclear weapons.
>> >> >
>> >> > HIGH-RANKING MILITARY OFFICIALS THREATENING TO RESIGN OVER
> NUKE
>> >> > PLANS:
>> >> > "There are very strong sentiments within the military against
>> >> > brandishing nuclear weapons against other countries," says
> one
>> >> > former
>> >> > Pentagon adviser. Indeed, Hersh writes, the matter "may soon
>> > reach a
>> >> > decisive point," because the Joint Chiefs of Staff -- a panel
> of
>> > the
>> >> > highest-ranking military officials from each major branch of
> the
>> >> > U.S.
>> >> > armed services -- "had agreed to give President Bush a formal
>> >> > recommendation stating that they are strongly opposed to
>> > considering
>> >> > the nuclear option for Iran." Hersh reiterated this point
>> > yesterday:
>> >> > "One thing about our military, they're very loyal to the
>> > president,
>> >> > but they're getting to the edge. They're getting to the edge
>> > with
>> >> > not only Rumsfeld, but with Cheney and the President." (Watch
>> > video
>> >> > of
>> >> > Hersh.) British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw also warned this
>> >> > weekend
>> >> > against a nuclear strike, calling the idea "completely nuts."
>> > "The
>> >> > reason why we're opposed to military action is because it's
> an
>> >> > infinitely worse option and there's no justification for it,"
> he
>> >> > said.
>> >> >
>> >> > COSTS OF WAR: IRAN TERROR FORCE 'MAKES AL QAEDA LOOK LIKE
>> >> > KINDERGARTEN': A recent Washington Post report noted "a
> growing
>> >> > consensus that Iran's agents would target civilians in the
>> > United
>> >> > States, Europe and elsewhere" if attacked; planning for such
> a
>> >> > response
>> >> > "is consuming a lot of time" throughout the U.S. intelligence
>> >> > apparatus, one senior official said. "It's a huge issue,"
>> > another
>> >> > said.
>> >> > Former U.S. counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke stated
>> > recently
>> >> > that
>> >> > Iran would be likely to respond to an attack with a
>> > three-pronged
>> >> > terrorist assault: "terrorism by Hezbollah, which they own
> and
>> >> > operate
>> >> > as a subsidiary; terrorism in Iraq, where they have tens of
>> >> > thousands
>> >> > of militia under their control; and terrorism by their
> special
>> >> > forces
>> >> > call the Kudz Force, that in the past blew up the American
> Air
>> > Force
>> >> > base at Khobar. All three of these organizations make al
> Qaeda
>> > look
>> >> > like a kindergarten." Clarke concluded, "We've thought about
>> >> > military
>> >> > options against Iran off and on for the last 20 years and
>> > they're
>> >> > just not good because you don't know what the end game is."
>> >> >
>> >> > COSTS OF WAR: AIR STRIKE WOULD 'ALMOST CERTAINLY SPEED UP'
>> > IRANIAN
>> >> > NUKE
>> >> > PROGRAM: A military strike on Iran's nuclear facilities would
>> > not
>> >> > likely delay the program, but "almost certainly speed it up,"
> as
>> >> > occurred after the 1981 Israeli preemptive strike on Iraq's
>> > nuclear
>> >> > facilities. After the Israeli strike, with its nuclear
> ambitions
>> >> > fully
>> >> > exposed, Iraq stepped up its weapons development
> dramatically,
>> >> > according to Iraqi defector Khadir Hamza. "At the beginning
> we
>> > had
>> >> > approximately 500 people working, which increased to 7,000
>> > working
>> >> > after the Israeli bombing," he said. According to Carnegie
>> > Endowment
>> >> > nonproliferation expert Joseph Cirincione, "the bombing set
> back
>> >> > Israel
>> >> > more than Iraq" by further harming its international
> reputation
>> >> > while
>> >> > "making Iraq appear a victim of Israeli aggression." Similar
>> >> > dynamics
>> >> > are at play in the current impasse with Iran.
>> >> >
>> >> > COSTS OF WAR: 'WHAT WILL 1.2 BILLION MUSLIMS THINK THE DAY WE
>> > BOMB
>> >> > IRAN?': A report published in February by the Oxford Research
>> > Group
>> >> > determined "that attacks on Iranian facilities, most of which
>> > are in
>> >> > densely populated areas, would be surprise ones, allowing no
>> > time
>> >> > for
>> >> > such evacuations or other precautions," and thus leading to
>> > hundreds
>> >> > or
>> >> > thousands of civilian casualties. Moreover, planners also
>> > currently
>> >> > debating launching attacks from Iraq or using Iraqi airspace,
>> > which
>> >> > could "exacerbate the political cost in the Muslim world."
>> > Analysts
>> >> > fear a military strike would "rally the Iranian public around
> an
>> >> > otherwise unpopular regime, inflame anti-American anger
> around
>> > the
>> >> > Muslim world, and jeopardize the already fragile U.S.
> position
>> > in
>> >> > Iraq." As one former Pentagon advisor asked Seymour Hersh,
> "What
>> >> > will
>> >> > 1.2 billion Muslims think the day we attack Iran?"
>> >> >
>> >> > A NUCLEAR REGIME CRISIS, NOT A NUCLEAR WEAPONS CRISIS: The
>> >> > "consensus
>> >> > among U.S. intelligence agencies" is that Iran is "about a
>> > decade
>> >> > away"
>> >> > from acquiring a nuclear weapon, meaning that the situation
>> > today is
>> >> > "not a nuclear bomb crisis, it is a nuclear regime crisis."
> The
>> > Bush
>> >> > administration's Iran strategy should reflect this reality.
> The
>> >> > first
>> >> > priority of U.S. officials should be to form a strong global
>> > front
>> >> > to
>> >> > demand that Iran curb its nuclear ambitions or risk further
>> >> > international isolation. Iran's latest actions -- demanding
> that
>> > the
>> >> > U.N. Security Council stop investigating its nuclear program
> and
>> >> > announcing it will not abide by the Security Council's
> directive
>> >> > that
>> >> > it cease uranium enrichment -- have helped unite the
>> > international
>> >> > community; new reports of the Bush administration's
> aggressive
>> > war
>> >> > planning will likely reverse that tide. Also, the United
> States
>> >> > should
>> >> > come to the table and engage Iran directly in bilateral talks
>> > over
>> >> > its
>> >> > nuclear program, an option it has consistently rejected
> despite
>> >> > numerous opportunities. As Council on Foreign Relations
> expert
>> > Ray
>> >> > Takeyh notes, current U.S. policy "of relentlessly
> threatening
>> > Iran
>> >> > with economic coercion and even military reprisals only
> empowers
>> >> > reactionaries and validates their pro-nuclear argument." A
> "more
>> >> > adroit
>> >> > American diplomacy could still dissuade Tehran from crossing
> the
>> >> > nuclear threshold" by persuading Iranian pragmatists of the
> many
>> >> > benefits of abandoning their nuclear ambitions.
>> >> >
>> >> > SHOW US THE INTEL: "Fortunately, we know more about Iran's
>> > nuclear
>> >> > program now than we ever knew about Iraq's," Cirincione
> writes.
>> > But
>> >> > we don't know nearly enough. Following a briefing last week
> on
>> > Iran
>> >> > intelligence, Rep. Jane Harman (D-CA), ranking minority
> member
>> > of
>> >> > the
>> >> > House Intelligence Committee, said, "I remain skeptical -
> lots
>> > of
>> >> > unanswered questions." As we learned the hard way in Iraq,
>> >> > intelligence
>> >> > about Iran's nuclear development is key to determining the
>> >> > appropriate
>> >> > policy -- and facts are already being manipulated. At a
> recent
>> >> > meeting
>> >> > of the International Atomic Energy Association, for example,
> "US
>> >> > officials called several journalists to tell them that in the
>> >> > briefing
>> >> > IAEA officials were 'shocked,' 'astonished,' 'blown-away' by
>> > Iran's
>> >> > progress on gas centrifuges." In fact, nuclear experts
> reported
>> > that
>> >> > "IAEA officials have said they were not surprised by Iran's
>> >> > actions,"
>> >> > prompting one IAEA official to say the U.S. statements came
>> > "from
>> >> > people who are seeking a crisis, not a solution." As
> Cirincione
>> >> > advises, "The key now is to get all this information on the
>> > table
>> >> > for
>> >> > an open debate. ... An accurate and fully understood
> assessment
>> > of
>> >> > the
>> >> > status and potential of Iran's nuclear program is the
> essential
>> >> > basis
>> >> > for any policy."
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>>
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