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* HUGO GOES NU-KU-LAR! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/14af31dc31d690dd
* AID TO ISRAEL MAY BE CANCELLED! - 3 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9126bc5d0bc244ca
* 9/11 CIA History repeats itself - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/96548aa8dfd57f74
* Three Minute Educational Video - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d145195414eda3db
* Bangla Terrorist Groups Involved In Varanasi Bomb Blats - 3 messages, 2
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ee4fc3538a948b81
* Senator Reid Takes 'The Big Question' - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/bf139af127a33d20
* World War III NEWS, Thursday, April 6th, 2006 AD....Iran Test-Fires 'Top
Secret' Missile - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/266a576f7ab70c68
* But the products that you see above ARE BEING PRODUCED IN CUBA! Yes sir,
they are being produced by a Spanish company. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5794f2dba482d7dd
* Thank you, India admirer ! - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/3823423d92d0c592
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TOPIC: HUGO GOES NU-KU-LAR!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/14af31dc31d690dd
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 9 2006 12:45 am
From: "serwad"
A well-planned, politically solid session of the World Tribunal on Iraq took
place April 15-17 in Brussels, Belgium. The hearings showed that key Bush
administration members planned aggression against Iraq starting years before
the war was launched.
Key organizers and activists from throughout Europe attended the full event,
with representatives from other continents. This hearing was the first major
step in a growing international effort by organizations in many countries to
consolidate charges against the Bush administration for war crimes.
The idea for a war-crimes tribunal was raised a year ago and took shape in
Istanbul last fall. There have already been public meetings or hearings in
Mexico, Japan, Denmark and this three-day hearing in Brussels. There will be
a hearing on May 8 in New York City at Cooper Union and on June 19 in
Germany.
The Brussels Tribunal held the rapt attention of the audience through two
solid days of testimony. With the auditorium packed, an overflow audience
followed the proceedings by video camera in an upstairs theater. The
discussion focused on the programs and policies promoted by the "Project for
the New American Century," or PNAC.
This neoconservative think tank has advocated global U.S. hegemony,
primarily through the threat or use of military power. Prominent supporters
of PNAC include Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice and Paul
Wolfo witz, who are now leading members of the Bush gang. Their public
advocacy of preemptive war, their use of overwhelming military force and
their focus on reshaping the entire Middle East through regime change and
occupation in Iraq began long before Sept. 11, 2001.
Lieven de Cauter, a Belgian professor who played a key role in organizing
the tribunal here, wrote, "In the New American Century politics, military
logic, economics and organized crime have become a seamless continuum, one
large global casino."
Testimony included 30-minute presentations by Michael Parenti, Michel Collon
and Hans Von Sponeck, among others. A special panel of three Iraqis--Ghazwan
Al Mukhtar, Haifa Zangana and Abdul Ilah Al Bayaty--gave first-hand
testimony on the impact of the war. Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey
Clark, unable to travel because of an injury, testified by video.
Following each presentation, two people acting as prosecutors and two as
defense cross-examined the presenters. The panel of jurists then asked
additional questions.
The defense of PNAC was made by two specialists in politics of the
militarist "neo-con" grouping--Jim Lobe and Tom Barry. Karen Parker and Jean
Bricmont were the prosecutors.
The final ruling of an impressive panel of jurists reflected the seriousness
of the event. The following are some excerpts from the ruling.
Tribunal ruling
"According to a clear majority of States and a large consensus of legal
experts, the invasion of Iraq constitutes an act of aggres sion, a breach of
one of the most fundamental norms of the international legal order. ...
"Far from bringing stability and peace in Iraq and the region, the invasion
and occupation have created instability and chaos. Moreover, the deliberate
destruction of Iraq has effectively promoted the Israeli government's
policies of further unlawful expansion and de facto annexation of
territories as well as further annihilation of the rights of the Palestinian
people. ...
"The United Nations should avoid complicity with--let alone legitimize in
any way--the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq. Any such action would
further discredit this world body. ...
"Finally, the Tribunal calls upon the peoples of the world to demand that
their governments deny military, political, financial or any other support
to the occupying powers; and oppose the illegal implementation by occupation
forces or their surrogates of any plans for the wholesale privatization of
the Iraqi economy. The Tribunal also expresses its solidarity with the Iraqi
people and its support for their attempts at recovering their full
sovereignty."
The panel of jurists was headed by Francois Houtart, who participated in the
Bertrand Russell War Crimes Tribunal on U.S. Crimes in Vietnam in 1967. The
panel included Denis Halliday, formerly head of the UN Oil for Food Program;
Nawal el-Sadaawi, a well-known Egyptian author and doctor; Salah Al-Mukhtar
of the Arab Lawyer Association of Britain, Pierre Klein, Samir Amin and Ludo
Abicht.
In the United States, the ANSWER Coalition plans to promote the work of the
World Tribunal on Iraq by calling a hearing on Aug. 26 in New York as the
world media gathers there on the eve of the Repub lican National Convention.
This hear i ng in late August will offer tribunal organizers from around the
world an opportunity to report their most important findings and
conclusions. Because of its proximity to the convention, the hearing will
connect the work done around the world with the mass struggles expected
there.
More information on the tribunal movement can be found at www.iacenter.org .
Sarah Flounders, co-coordinator of the International Action Center,
testified at the Brussels tribunal.
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TOPIC: AID TO ISRAEL MAY BE CANCELLED!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9126bc5d0bc244ca
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 9 2006 12:45 am
From: "serwad"
A well-planned, politically solid session of the World Tribunal on Iraq took
place April 15-17 in Brussels, Belgium. The hearings showed that key Bush
administration members planned aggression against Iraq starting years before
the war was launched.
Key organizers and activists from throughout Europe attended the full event,
with representatives from other continents. This hearing was the first major
step in a growing international effort by organizations in many countries to
consolidate charges against the Bush administration for war crimes.
The idea for a war-crimes tribunal was raised a year ago and took shape in
Istanbul last fall. There have already been public meetings or hearings in
Mexico, Japan, Denmark and this three-day hearing in Brussels. There will be
a hearing on May 8 in New York City at Cooper Union and on June 19 in
Germany.
The Brussels Tribunal held the rapt attention of the audience through two
solid days of testimony. With the auditorium packed, an overflow audience
followed the proceedings by video camera in an upstairs theater. The
discussion focused on the programs and policies promoted by the "Project for
the New American Century," or PNAC.
This neoconservative think tank has advocated global U.S. hegemony,
primarily through the threat or use of military power. Prominent supporters
of PNAC include Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice and Paul
Wolfo witz, who are now leading members of the Bush gang. Their public
advocacy of preemptive war, their use of overwhelming military force and
their focus on reshaping the entire Middle East through regime change and
occupation in Iraq began long before Sept. 11, 2001.
Lieven de Cauter, a Belgian professor who played a key role in organizing
the tribunal here, wrote, "In the New American Century politics, military
logic, economics and organized crime have become a seamless continuum, one
large global casino."
Testimony included 30-minute presentations by Michael Parenti, Michel Collon
and Hans Von Sponeck, among others. A special panel of three Iraqis--Ghazwan
Al Mukhtar, Haifa Zangana and Abdul Ilah Al Bayaty--gave first-hand
testimony on the impact of the war. Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey
Clark, unable to travel because of an injury, testified by video.
Following each presentation, two people acting as prosecutors and two as
defense cross-examined the presenters. The panel of jurists then asked
additional questions.
The defense of PNAC was made by two specialists in politics of the
militarist "neo-con" grouping--Jim Lobe and Tom Barry. Karen Parker and Jean
Bricmont were the prosecutors.
The final ruling of an impressive panel of jurists reflected the seriousness
of the event. The following are some excerpts from the ruling.
Tribunal ruling
"According to a clear majority of States and a large consensus of legal
experts, the invasion of Iraq constitutes an act of aggres sion, a breach of
one of the most fundamental norms of the international legal order. ...
"Far from bringing stability and peace in Iraq and the region, the invasion
and occupation have created instability and chaos. Moreover, the deliberate
destruction of Iraq has effectively promoted the Israeli government's
policies of further unlawful expansion and de facto annexation of
territories as well as further annihilation of the rights of the Palestinian
people. ...
"The United Nations should avoid complicity with--let alone legitimize in
any way--the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq. Any such action would
further discredit this world body. ...
"Finally, the Tribunal calls upon the peoples of the world to demand that
their governments deny military, political, financial or any other support
to the occupying powers; and oppose the illegal implementation by occupation
forces or their surrogates of any plans for the wholesale privatization of
the Iraqi economy. The Tribunal also expresses its solidarity with the Iraqi
people and its support for their attempts at recovering their full
sovereignty."
The panel of jurists was headed by Francois Houtart, who participated in the
Bertrand Russell War Crimes Tribunal on U.S. Crimes in Vietnam in 1967. The
panel included Denis Halliday, formerly head of the UN Oil for Food Program;
Nawal el-Sadaawi, a well-known Egyptian author and doctor; Salah Al-Mukhtar
of the Arab Lawyer Association of Britain, Pierre Klein, Samir Amin and Ludo
Abicht.
In the United States, the ANSWER Coalition plans to promote the work of the
World Tribunal on Iraq by calling a hearing on Aug. 26 in New York as the
world media gathers there on the eve of the Repub lican National Convention.
This hear i ng in late August will offer tribunal organizers from around the
world an opportunity to report their most important findings and
conclusions. Because of its proximity to the convention, the hearing will
connect the work done around the world with the mass struggles expected
there.
More information on the tribunal movement can be found at www.iacenter.org .
Sarah Flounders, co-coordinator of the International Action Center,
testified at the Brussels tribunal.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 9 2006 12:45 am
From: "serwad"
A well-planned, politically solid session of the World Tribunal on Iraq took
place April 15-17 in Brussels, Belgium. The hearings showed that key Bush
administration members planned aggression against Iraq starting years before
the war was launched.
Key organizers and activists from throughout Europe attended the full event,
with representatives from other continents. This hearing was the first major
step in a growing international effort by organizations in many countries to
consolidate charges against the Bush administration for war crimes.
The idea for a war-crimes tribunal was raised a year ago and took shape in
Istanbul last fall. There have already been public meetings or hearings in
Mexico, Japan, Denmark and this three-day hearing in Brussels. There will be
a hearing on May 8 in New York City at Cooper Union and on June 19 in
Germany.
The Brussels Tribunal held the rapt attention of the audience through two
solid days of testimony. With the auditorium packed, an overflow audience
followed the proceedings by video camera in an upstairs theater. The
discussion focused on the programs and policies promoted by the "Project for
the New American Century," or PNAC.
This neoconservative think tank has advocated global U.S. hegemony,
primarily through the threat or use of military power. Prominent supporters
of PNAC include Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice and Paul
Wolfo witz, who are now leading members of the Bush gang. Their public
advocacy of preemptive war, their use of overwhelming military force and
their focus on reshaping the entire Middle East through regime change and
occupation in Iraq began long before Sept. 11, 2001.
Lieven de Cauter, a Belgian professor who played a key role in organizing
the tribunal here, wrote, "In the New American Century politics, military
logic, economics and organized crime have become a seamless continuum, one
large global casino."
Testimony included 30-minute presentations by Michael Parenti, Michel Collon
and Hans Von Sponeck, among others. A special panel of three Iraqis--Ghazwan
Al Mukhtar, Haifa Zangana and Abdul Ilah Al Bayaty--gave first-hand
testimony on the impact of the war. Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey
Clark, unable to travel because of an injury, testified by video.
Following each presentation, two people acting as prosecutors and two as
defense cross-examined the presenters. The panel of jurists then asked
additional questions.
The defense of PNAC was made by two specialists in politics of the
militarist "neo-con" grouping--Jim Lobe and Tom Barry. Karen Parker and Jean
Bricmont were the prosecutors.
The final ruling of an impressive panel of jurists reflected the seriousness
of the event. The following are some excerpts from the ruling.
Tribunal ruling
"According to a clear majority of States and a large consensus of legal
experts, the invasion of Iraq constitutes an act of aggres sion, a breach of
one of the most fundamental norms of the international legal order. ...
"Far from bringing stability and peace in Iraq and the region, the invasion
and occupation have created instability and chaos. Moreover, the deliberate
destruction of Iraq has effectively promoted the Israeli government's
policies of further unlawful expansion and de facto annexation of
territories as well as further annihilation of the rights of the Palestinian
people. ...
"The United Nations should avoid complicity with--let alone legitimize in
any way--the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq. Any such action would
further discredit this world body. ...
"Finally, the Tribunal calls upon the peoples of the world to demand that
their governments deny military, political, financial or any other support
to the occupying powers; and oppose the illegal implementation by occupation
forces or their surrogates of any plans for the wholesale privatization of
the Iraqi economy. The Tribunal also expresses its solidarity with the Iraqi
people and its support for their attempts at recovering their full
sovereignty."
The panel of jurists was headed by Francois Houtart, who participated in the
Bertrand Russell War Crimes Tribunal on U.S. Crimes in Vietnam in 1967. The
panel included Denis Halliday, formerly head of the UN Oil for Food Program;
Nawal el-Sadaawi, a well-known Egyptian author and doctor; Salah Al-Mukhtar
of the Arab Lawyer Association of Britain, Pierre Klein, Samir Amin and Ludo
Abicht.
In the United States, the ANSWER Coalition plans to promote the work of the
World Tribunal on Iraq by calling a hearing on Aug. 26 in New York as the
world media gathers there on the eve of the Repub lican National Convention.
This hear i ng in late August will offer tribunal organizers from around the
world an opportunity to report their most important findings and
conclusions. Because of its proximity to the convention, the hearing will
connect the work done around the world with the mass struggles expected
there.
More information on the tribunal movement can be found at www.iacenter.org .
Sarah Flounders, co-coordinator of the International Action Center,
testified at the Brussels tribunal.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 9 2006 12:46 am
From: "serwad"
A well-planned, politically solid session of the World Tribunal on Iraq took
place April 15-17 in Brussels, Belgium. The hearings showed that key Bush
administration members planned aggression against Iraq starting years before
the war was launched.
Key organizers and activists from throughout Europe attended the full event,
with representatives from other continents. This hearing was the first major
step in a growing international effort by organizations in many countries to
consolidate charges against the Bush administration for war crimes.
The idea for a war-crimes tribunal was raised a year ago and took shape in
Istanbul last fall. There have already been public meetings or hearings in
Mexico, Japan, Denmark and this three-day hearing in Brussels. There will be
a hearing on May 8 in New York City at Cooper Union and on June 19 in
Germany.
The Brussels Tribunal held the rapt attention of the audience through two
solid days of testimony. With the auditorium packed, an overflow audience
followed the proceedings by video camera in an upstairs theater. The
discussion focused on the programs and policies promoted by the "Project for
the New American Century," or PNAC.
This neoconservative think tank has advocated global U.S. hegemony,
primarily through the threat or use of military power. Prominent supporters
of PNAC include Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Condoleezza Rice and Paul
Wolfo witz, who are now leading members of the Bush gang. Their public
advocacy of preemptive war, their use of overwhelming military force and
their focus on reshaping the entire Middle East through regime change and
occupation in Iraq began long before Sept. 11, 2001.
Lieven de Cauter, a Belgian professor who played a key role in organizing
the tribunal here, wrote, "In the New American Century politics, military
logic, economics and organized crime have become a seamless continuum, one
large global casino."
Testimony included 30-minute presentations by Michael Parenti, Michel Collon
and Hans Von Sponeck, among others. A special panel of three Iraqis--Ghazwan
Al Mukhtar, Haifa Zangana and Abdul Ilah Al Bayaty--gave first-hand
testimony on the impact of the war. Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey
Clark, unable to travel because of an injury, testified by video.
Following each presentation, two people acting as prosecutors and two as
defense cross-examined the presenters. The panel of jurists then asked
additional questions.
The defense of PNAC was made by two specialists in politics of the
militarist "neo-con" grouping--Jim Lobe and Tom Barry. Karen Parker and Jean
Bricmont were the prosecutors.
The final ruling of an impressive panel of jurists reflected the seriousness
of the event. The following are some excerpts from the ruling.
Tribunal ruling
"According to a clear majority of States and a large consensus of legal
experts, the invasion of Iraq constitutes an act of aggres sion, a breach of
one of the most fundamental norms of the international legal order. ...
"Far from bringing stability and peace in Iraq and the region, the invasion
and occupation have created instability and chaos. Moreover, the deliberate
destruction of Iraq has effectively promoted the Israeli government's
policies of further unlawful expansion and de facto annexation of
territories as well as further annihilation of the rights of the Palestinian
people. ...
"The United Nations should avoid complicity with--let alone legitimize in
any way--the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq. Any such action would
further discredit this world body. ...
"Finally, the Tribunal calls upon the peoples of the world to demand that
their governments deny military, political, financial or any other support
to the occupying powers; and oppose the illegal implementation by occupation
forces or their surrogates of any plans for the wholesale privatization of
the Iraqi economy. The Tribunal also expresses its solidarity with the Iraqi
people and its support for their attempts at recovering their full
sovereignty."
The panel of jurists was headed by Francois Houtart, who participated in the
Bertrand Russell War Crimes Tribunal on U.S. Crimes in Vietnam in 1967. The
panel included Denis Halliday, formerly head of the UN Oil for Food Program;
Nawal el-Sadaawi, a well-known Egyptian author and doctor; Salah Al-Mukhtar
of the Arab Lawyer Association of Britain, Pierre Klein, Samir Amin and Ludo
Abicht.
In the United States, the ANSWER Coalition plans to promote the work of the
World Tribunal on Iraq by calling a hearing on Aug. 26 in New York as the
world media gathers there on the eve of the Repub lican National Convention.
This hear i ng in late August will offer tribunal organizers from around the
world an opportunity to report their most important findings and
conclusions. Because of its proximity to the convention, the hearing will
connect the work done around the world with the mass struggles expected
there.
More information on the tribunal movement can be found at www.iacenter.org .
Sarah Flounders, co-coordinator of the International Action Center,
testified at the Brussels tribunal.
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TOPIC: 9/11 CIA History repeats itself
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/96548aa8dfd57f74
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 9 2006 2:45 pm
From: Daeron
On the morning of September 11th death entered the city ,
the CIA had been watching and documenting the group's actions for months
and now eagerly followed the events of the day as they unfolded themselves
to the public.
Twenty Eight years later, on the morning of September 11th, death entered
the city of New York just as Chile had known, a foreign power dictating who
should live and who should die to benefit foreign interests.
And whom does the CIA work for ?
Certainly not the best interests of the United States' people, nor its
President unless those Presidents work for the same companies which the CIA
works for.
In 1953 the CIA removed the elected government of Iran in favor of a
British Monarch for the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company ;
In 1954 the CIA removed the elected government of Guatemala in favor of
Col. Carlos Castillo Armas ;
In 1962 the CIA had President Kennedy use the United Nations to colonize
West New Guinea on behalf of Indonesia and the Rockefeller's Freeport
company ;
In 1973 the CIA removed the elected government of Chile in favor of Augusto
Pinochet ;
From General Batista and the Marifa in Cuba, to Saddam from the 1950s to
1980s, to the Taliban ; always with a view to improve the fortunes of the
Standard Oil legacy be it Exxon, ConocoPhillips, Freeport McMoRan, or their
friends at Bechtel who build these sites and pay the CIA Directors ;
the CIA works for someone other than any nation's interests.
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TOPIC: Three Minute Educational Video
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d145195414eda3db
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 9 2006 12:58 am
From: DammitJimIamaDoctornotaPolitician
torresD wrote:
>http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11924.htm
>
>
>
>
Good Music but distorted left wing view
Where is the video of Hitler and Saddam
and all the dead kids gassed by the Saddam madman?
War for profit only?
I don't think so
Ask the Kurds
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TOPIC: Bangla Terrorist Groups Involved In Varanasi Bomb Blats
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ee4fc3538a948b81
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 10:02 pm
From: "fruitella"
Well Mr Najjmuddin Pervaiz, if pakistan is so 'good' how come you guys
have to go on a begging spree every year hustling money from US for
loan forgiveness, aid, grants, money for fighting (more like creating)
terrorism..etc.
Everbody knows pakistan's economy is based on foreign aid and the
economy would have collapsed back in 2000 under its debt obligations if
not for handouts.
Begging as an economic strategy for the 21st century does not equal
development. Other than terrorism, what industry is there in pakistan?
BTW, your name will make you instantly recognizable by the desi
community whereever you go. Congratulations!
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 10:10 pm
From: "fruitella"
> If we were quitters, we wouldn't have ruled your asses
Slaves pretending to be great conquerers?
Considering pakistanis today are the product of hindus who were forced
into islam, one wonders what 'you' mr pervaiz is referring to. It is
an interesting paradox how people who get raped and forced into a cult
based on worshipping arabs suddenly want to project themselves as great
conquerers.
Trying to be someone you are not is the greatest dishonour you can
bring upon your ansestors. Shame on you Najjmuddin Pervaiz for being
an arab wannabe. No amount of bowing to mecca is going to change the
historical fact that it was your ansestors who's asses who meekly
submitted and converted to mohamadanism.
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 10:22 pm
From: "Messiah of the Death of Islam"
Fruitella
I have shown Seeker information from a widely respected source for
economic data.....On GDP, Per capita income, Literacry rates, Birth
Rates, Life expectancy...the list is endless
Everywhere Pakistan is far behind India....but both Seeker and Nazir
Hunzai refer to things that they see...Mercedes cars, BMW etc
etc....and FUNNILY...they dont accept the indices I have quoted above
as valid measures of economic performance.
Do you think people who dont understand economics (the basic form of
economics) would ever believe that they are a pauper nation ?
I am sending out a plea to all pakistanis....can you talk in your
language to Nazir Hunzai and Seeker......and explain to them what per
capita income, literacy rates, birth rates, life expectancy etc mean ?
I am quoting below 2 links which you can refer for measuring Paki
economic status vis-a-vis Indias
FOR INDIAN ECONOMY :
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/in.html
FOR PAKISTANI ECONOMY
:http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/pk.html
Can any Pakistani please put an intelligent response to these numbers ?
and please dont count mercedes showrooms as a measure of economics.
I am tempted to call Pakistanis with a name - Loosers.....but I would
wait for a response from a pakistani who has some understanding of
economics.
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TOPIC: Senator Reid Takes 'The Big Question'
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/bf139af127a33d20
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 9 2006 12:03 am
From: Just another American
Senator Reid Takes 'The Big Question'
http://www.seadogbytes.com/sbimages/ReidBigQuestion.jpg
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CLICK BELOW FOR MEXICAN INVADER VIDEO
http://tinyurl.com/pqzpe
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TOPIC: World War III NEWS, Thursday, April 6th, 2006 AD....Iran Test-Fires '
Top Secret' Missile
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/266a576f7ab70c68
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 10:07 pm
From: Perseid
"K Miller" <miller#k@sympatico.ca> Spat the Words
> Looks like my 'sensing' for the first part of April was just Iran
> "dropping the first pebble into the pond."
> [ I'm still waiting for the ripple effect !!! ]
>
> Israel seems to be in too much turmoil (right now), after their
> recent elections, to respond !!!
> [and America is still just 'too tapped' to start another War.]
We're waiting for Iran to fire one of their super-stealth missiles
at our navy... I think this is all about Iranian bravado and
puffing of the chest right now. Maybe it will get more serious
later on. If the Iranians want to fight with the US I'm sure
we will accomodate them.
>
>
> Maybe sometime in May ???
>
> ;-)
>
>
> "The Last 2449 daysT ?" <stargatedecember2012@yahoo.ca> wrote in
> message
> news:1144294125.970261.251140@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> www.news.yahoo.com/
>
> Iran Test-Fires 'Top Secret' Missile
>
> By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer
>
> Wed Apr 5, 1:13 PM ET
>
>
>
> Iran said Wednesday it has successfully test-fired a "top secret"
> missile, the third in a week, state-run television reported.
>
> The report called the missile an "ultra-horizon" weapon and said it
> could be fired from all military helicopters and jet fighters.
>
> The tests came amid war games being held since Friday by the elite
> Revolutionary Guards in the Persian Gulf and the Arabian Sea at a
> time
> of increased tension with the United States over Tehran's nuclear
> program.
>
> Iranian television called it a "turning point" in its missile tests
> but
> gave no other details.
>
> At the same time, the head of the Revolutionary Guards, Gen. Yahya
> Rahim Safavi, said the United States must recognize Iran as a "big,
> regional power."
>
> Speaking on state television, Safavi said Iran could use the Straits
> of
> Hormuz to apply pressure on foreign powers. About two-fifths of the
> world's oil supplies pass through the 34-mile-wide entrance to the
> Gulf.
>
> "The Straits of Hormuz are a point of control and economic pressure
> on
> the energy transfer route for those foreign powers that might want
> to
> undermine regional security," Safavi said.
>
> He reiterated that Iran could defend itself against any invasion and
> added: "I advise Americans not to move toward a military strike
> against
> Iran."
>
> On Tuesday, Safavi called for foreign forces to leave the region.
> The
> U.S. 5th Fleet is based in Bahrain.
>
> That same day, Iran tested a new surface-to-sea radar-avoiding
> missile
> equipped with remote-control and searching systems, state TV
> reported.
> It said the new missile, called Kowsar, was a medium-range weapon
> that
> Iran could mass-produce.
>
> It also said the Kowsar's guidance system could not be scrambled,
> and
> it had been designed to sink ships.
>
> On Friday, Iran tested the Fajr-3, a missile that it said can avoid
> radar and hit several targets simultaneously using multiple
> warheads.
> Iran also has tested what it calls two new torpedoes.
>
> One of the torpedoes, unveiled Monday, was tested in the Straits of
> Hormuz. That seemed to be a clear warning to the United States that
> Iran believes it has the capability to disable oil tankers moving
> through the Gulf.
>
> The Revolutionary Guards have been holding their maneuvers -
> code-named the "Great Prophet" - since Friday.
>
> Some military analysts in Moscow said it appears the high-speed
> torpedoes likely were Russian-built weapons that may have been
> acquired
> from China or Kyrgyzstan.
>
> Others have questioned their capabilities of evading advanced radar
> systems such as those in Israel.
>
> The United States said Monday that while Iran may have made "some
> strides" in its military, it likely is exaggerating its
> capabilities.
>
> "We know that the Iranians are always trying to improve their
> weapons
> system by both foreign and indigenous measures," Pentagon spokesman
> Bryan Whitman said. "It's possible that they are increasing their
> capability and making strides in radar-absorbing materials and
> technology."
>
> But "the Iranians have also been known to boast and exaggerate their
> statements about greater technical and tactical capabilities," he
> said.
>
>
> Safavi on Wednesday rejected the U.S. claims that Iran had
> exaggerated
> its capabilities.
>
> "They tried to say what is related to our equipment was just a
> bluff.
> But we announce that the advanced equipment were based on a real and
> domestic industry," he said.
>
> The U.N. Security Council has demanded Iran give up uranium
> enrichment,
> a crucial part of the nuclear process. Washington is pressing for
> sanctions if Tehran continues its refusal to do so, though U.S.
> officials have not ruled out military action as an eventual option,
> insisting they will not allow Iran to gain a nuclear arsenal.
>
> On Tuesday, state TV also said the Revolutionary Guards had tested
> what
> it called a "super-modern flying boat" capable of evading radar.
>
> The report showed the boat, looking like an aircraft, taking off
> from
> the sea and flying low over the water.
>
> Iran has held war games for two decades to improve its combat
> readiness
> and test locally made equipment.
>
> Iran launched an arms development program during its 1980-88 war
> with
> Iraq to compensate for a U.S. weapons embargo. Since 1992, Iran has
> produced its own tanks, armored personnel carriers, missiles and a
> fighter plane.
>
> ---0---
>
>
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TOPIC: But the products that you see above ARE BEING PRODUCED IN CUBA! Yes sir,
they are being produced by a Spanish company.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5794f2dba482d7dd
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 9 2006 1:11 am
From: "PM"
¿ Qué bloqueo ni que ocho cuartos ?
Una Buena muestra de la canallada socialista de Zapatero. Les importa un
bledo Los crímenes cometidos por el del régimen socialista de Cuba, ni el
hambre y la miseria de los cubanos. Véase si no la conducta de mercachifle
del tal Bono vendiéndole equipos de guerra al teniente coronel que manda en
Venezuela para ser usados contra los propios venezolanos. Que vergüenza. La
maldición socialista aún se cierne sobre el mundo. Qué desgracia.
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When was the last time that Cubans were able to see any of these?
Hot dogs, hamburgers, ham, Spanish sausage (chorizo), lobster pate,
breakfast sausages? Most Cubans,
who were born after Castro came to power, don't even know what these things
are. Castro's propaganda
machine claims that Cubans can't have access to these type of products
because "of the criminal US blockade
against Cuba." That same lie is repeated over and over by ignorant people
who do not know The Real Cuba.
In the United Nations, 99% of the countries that belong to that social club
vote every year to ask the US to
eliminate the 'criminal blockade.' One of those countries that always votes
to ask for the end of the embargo
is the Spanish government.
But the products that you see above ARE BEING PRODUCED IN CUBA! Yes sir,
they are being produced by a
Spanish company. According to the information provided in their website,
this is a "Hispano-Cubana" company.
In other words, it is a partnership between Spanish investors and the Castro
regime.
But Cubans won't see any of these products in their 'bodegas' because of the
internal blockade imposed by
Castro against the Cuban people.
Will the Spanish government ask Castro to eliminate the internal blockade
and make these products available
to regular Cubans and not just to foreigners or for export? No, because that
would jeopardize the excellent
business that many other Spanish and European companies are doing in Cuba
benefiting from the exploitation
of a slave working force that has no right to benefits, vacations, to
protest or to be represented by unions
Click here to see more information about this company and the products that
it manufactures in Castro's
Cuba. Bravo SA
How can Castro complain about a 'US blockade' when he is able to sell to
foreigners in Cuba all kind of computer
equipment manufactured by US companies?
How can the so called Pastors for Peace, organize caravans to take computer
equipment to Cuban schools
claiming that the US blockade prevents the Cuban regime from supplying the
schools with the necessary
computer equipment that they need?
How can anyone still believe that the US sanctions against the Castro regime
are the cause for so much poverty,
lack of food, lack of medicines, lack of housing, etc.?
The truth is that the only embargo that really hurts the Cuban people, is
the INTERNAL embargo put in place by
Castro, in order to keep a tight control of the Cuban population.
Until that internal embargo is lifted, the Cuban people will continue to
suffer no matter what happens with the US
embargo.
Here are some of the hundreds of computer products, manufactured by US
companies, being offered by Tecun, a
Cuban government company with several stores located in Havana. In some
cases, Tecun is even offering direct
support from the US manufacturer, like in the case of Cisco products. I
would believe that providing such a
service is in violation of the embargo and I'll be sending this information
to my representatives in Congress. I ask
you to please do the same.
And remember, that many Cubans have been sent to jail when the police found
out that they had a computer
at home.
Castro's Cuba is one of the few places on Earth where having a home computer
is considered a crime.
All the equipment being offered by Tecun is ONLY FOR FOREIGNERS.
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CALLES DE LA HABANA: (ESTE WEBSITE ES UNA JOYA)
Calle http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/calle23/index.htm 23
Quinta http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/quinta/index.htm
Avenida
Línea <http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/linea/index.htm
Almendares
http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/almendares/index.htm
Calle http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/calle26/index.htm 26
Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/ave26/index.htm 26
Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/ave11/index.htm 11
Avenida
http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/presidentes/index.htm
de los Presidentes
Rancho http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/rancho/index.htm
Boyeros
Monserrate
http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/monserrate/index.htm
Empedrado http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/empedrado/index.htm
Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/puerto/index.htm del
Puerto
Calle Cuba http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/cuba/ind
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TOPIC: Thank you, India admirer !
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/3823423d92d0c592
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 10:27 pm
From: "Seeker" <4not_listed_due_to_spam_bots_121101@dont.reply>
<gunjan.ghai@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1144550166.409046.55340@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Seeker
>
> Responses marked as >>>>
> Seeker wrote:
> > <gunjan.ghai@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1144469777.758274.206810@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> > > I will tell you the difference
> > >
> > > We modified our behaviour....There are laws in India that take care of
> > > this....We have reservations for the 'lower castes'
> >
> > Once again your deficient Indian education is coming through loud and
clear.
> > Laws don't guarantee behavior modification. This is more true in India
than
> > anywhere else. Religious persecution and caste based hate crimes go
largely
> > unpunished in India. When the police won't press charges, and the judges
> > won't apply the law, what good are your impotent laws?
>
> >>>> Indian education system is widely accpted as greatly successful. IIT
grads living in the US contribute to almost 10% of the US economy by
Do you have a way to prove this 10%?
activities they do directly or indirectly. Sorry to break the news to
you....the laws are strictly implemented in India and we have an independent
judiciary...unlike...err....your country where we know how mian musharraf
has used the judiciary like an wing of the army !!! I dont deny caste based
crimes in India....but that happens in the poorest of states in
India....thats where the naxals that you quote are more prevelant....the
reasons are more socio economic than casteist...although I do accept that
muslims and lower castes are really poor even now in India.
>
>
> > >
> > > What about your muslim world ? Can you outlaw the word 'Kaffir' ???
Can
> > > you ensure that the verses of Kuran that propogate violence against
> > > 'Kaffirs' are erased and declared illegal ?
> >
> > The word Kaffir does not cause harm to anyone.
>
> >>>> This is the funniest I have heard...The whole islamophobia lobby and
islamist jihadis build their arguments around the word 'Kaffir' bu you say
it doesnt cause harm to anyone ? What about the hadith's in the kuran
against kaffirs ? Isnt the word used as an abuse by muslims ?
>
The Quran has no hadiths. The word is not used as an abuse by Muslims.
> >
> > >
> > > and does social malices from teh past make you and your country better
> > > ?
> > >
> > > Indias 100% democratic period from 1947 vs Pakistan's chequered
history
> > > since 1947 is proof enough of the outcome !!!! But then you wouldnt
> > > believe it....becasue you dont feel like...LoL
> >
> > What good is the democracy when the vast majority of Indians are
persecuted
> > on the basis of their religion or caste. Shame on you to cover up such
gross
> > injustices in India.
>
> >>>> Kya baat hai...one visit to India and you hae formed your opinion ?
And what about Shia-Sunni riots in your land ? Ahemdis and their persecution
? Baluchistan ? NWFP ? Sindh ? Mohajirs ? All societies have their
evils....the difference is in how the society cures itself...the open nature
of hindus/indians has already set them on that way.....you and the rest of
the islamic countries are still stuck...refusing to come out of the medieval
way of living/thinking till you are pushed out of your current situation by
the world.
>
I have been to India four times. That was enough for me. I don't want to go
to India anymore. They wouldn't let me take pictures of Ganesh and none of
you Hindus here explain to me why it is wrong to take pictures of ganesh.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 10:29 pm
From: "Seeker" <4not_listed_due_to_spam_bots_121101@dont.reply>
"rkusenet" <rkusenet@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:44382d46$0$14505$892e7fe2@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
> Seeker wrote:
>
> > Thank you. However, my point is that never in history did people of
> > one dharma consider people of other dhamra the same, but they did
> > somewhat accept them. Even today, there are wide differences between
> > how Hindus of one group worship or what they believe in. So to make
> > blanket statements about the "ethos" of the Hindu religion is wrong.
> > There is no such thing.
>
> Oh great. Now we Hindus have to learn about our religion from pakis :-)
Gotta learn from someone or you need to stop lying about your religion.
>
> You idiot, Hindus may have wide differences in worshipping god,
So then there is no such thing as Hinduism per se.
> or may even have different gods, but they don't go about killing each
> other in the name of GOD.
That's because "each other" is a very lose term in the context where there
is no such thing as Hinduism.
With Muslims, it has now become a
> staple news of Muslims killing each other. Do you know more number
> of muslims have been killed by fellow muslims than non muslims, some
> thing very few muslims like to reveal when talking about so called
> western atrocities. Pooree kaum hee harami hai.
>
> When a religion starts violently, it has to die the same way too.
>
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