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* Ha! GOD Turns the Tables on Tennessee Sinners! - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Counting the Dead - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Dos enemigos irreconciliables se enfrentaron hace cuatro siglos en una de
las batallas más importantes de la historia moderna. - 1 messages, 1 author
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* The Mighty Cheney Has Struck Out - 1 messages, 1 author
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* AHMADINEJAD.... - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* A Letter to President Bush - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Challenge to Iraq Body Count Figures, Methodology - 1 messages, 1 author
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* THE PROBLEMS WITH ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN THE US - 1 messages, 1 author
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* This Land is Their Land, and We Are the Illegal Aliens - 1 messages, 1
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* Iran shows backdrop of 'Peaceful Doves' as it Announces NUCLEAR BREAKTHROUGH.
..but I got a better picture! - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Ha! GOD Turns the Tables on Tennessee Sinners!
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Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 12:47 am
From: "ZenIsWhen"
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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> Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
> shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
> at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
> be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
Excuse me, bit I think you've chosen the wrong adjective.
Cornucopia, along with abundance, also means variety.
Plethora, I believe, is a more accurate word.
While we would have no problem with fundamentalists having a corucopia of
splinters in their rectum - it would be more likely, from one cross, they
would only get a plethora.
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TOPIC: Counting the Dead
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Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 4:52 am
From: "Acharya"
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> Iraq: Counting the Dead
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> Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit
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> See also:
> "The Lancet: US Killed 100,000 Iraqis (Complete Text)", Oct 30, 2004
NY transfer bullshit spins the same disinformation (again).
Back to reality:
http://www.seixon.com/blog/archives/2005/05/has_the_undp_be.html
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TOPIC: Dos enemigos irreconciliables se enfrentaron hace cuatro siglos en una
de las batallas más importantes de la historia moderna.
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Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 12:34 am
From: "PM"
Oriana Fallaci Has Enrolled in the Society of Jesus
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Oriana Fallaci Has Enrolled in the Society of Jesus
An article by one of the Jesuits of "La Civiltà Cattolica" makes an
extremely critical analysis of Islam, one very similar to that of the famous
author - whose work Benedict XVI reads with admiration
by Sandro Magister
ROMA, April 10, 2006 - One of the four topics considered by Benedict
XVI and the cardinals during their day "of reflection and prayer" at the
last consistory, on March 23, was Islam.
Or, more precisely: "the position of the Catholic Church, and of the
Holy See, in the face of Islam today."
The discussion was held in private, but some of the cardinals
afterward remarked that much more concern was shown than in the past over
the challenge that Islam presents to Christianity and the West, and that
there was general agreement with Benedict XVI's energetic opposition to
terrorism and the violation of religious liberty.
One month earlier, on February 20, pope Joseph Ratzinger received
Morocco's new ambassador to the Holy See, Ali Achour, and made a vigorous
appeal for the rejection of violence and for full respect for religious
liberty, "in a reciprocal manner in all societies."
And on March 22, on the eve of the consistory, the pope, acting
through his secretary of state Angelo Sodano, had sent to the president of
Afghanistan, Hamid Karzai, an urgent request for the liberation of Abdul
Rahman, an Afghan citizen condemned to death for converting to Christianity.
Rahman was in fact freed and transferred to Italy under protective
custody. And he has Benedict XVI to thank for that.
But can this more energetic approach to the question of Islam also be
found in the analysis the Church makes of the phenomenon?
The answer is yes. One outstanding proof of this is an essay that
appeared in the most recent edition of "Studium," an authoritative Italian
bimonthly journal on Catholic culture founded in 1906, which is printed by
the publishing house of the same name and directed by two scholars of great
prestige: Vincenzo Cappelletti, a philosopher of science and director of the
Institute of the Italian Encyclopedia, and Francesco Paolo Casavola, a
jurist and former president of the constitutional court. The dedicated
collaborators of "Studium" have included Giovanni Battista Montini, who
became pope under the name of Paul VI.
The essay is entitled "The Islamic Question," and occupies 30 pages of
the journal. It is accompanied by extensive footnotes, and is featured
prominently beginning with the cover, which depicts a minaret standing out
among the skyscrapers of a Western city.
But the really interesting thing about the article is its authors,
Roberto A.M. Bertacchini and Piersandro Vanzan, and in particular the latter
of these. Vanzan is a Jesuit, a professor of pastoral theology at the
Pontifical Gregorian University, and above all he is part of the college of
writers for "La Civiltà Cattolica," the magazine of the Rome Jesuits that is
printed with the inspection and authorization of the Vatican authorities.
Because of its explosive contents, it was unthinkable that the essay
by Bertacchini and Vanzan would be published in a magazine strictly
connected to the Holy See by statute, and representative of its official
stance.
But the fact that the essay's principal author is a Jesuit from "La
Civiltà Cattolica," and that it was published by an authoritative Catholic
journal like "Studium," are still important indications.
Those who have read "La rabbia e l'orgoglio [Rage and Pride]" and
other writings on Islam by Oriana Fallaci - an author of worldwide fame who
has lived in New York for many years - will find many points in common with
hers in the essay by Bertacchini and Vanzan.
Oriana Fallaci is an extremely harsh critic of the religious and
cultural factors that, in her view, feed into the Muslim world's challenge
against the West and Christianity, which she fiercely defends in spite of
being a declared atheist.
She is a great admirer of Benedict XVI, who has read a number of her
books and received her in a private audience last August 1 at Castel
Gandolfo.
The only substantial point that separates Oriana Fallaci's analysis
from that of Bertacchini and Vanzan is that, while she maintains that Islam
is incapable of reform and incompatible with the Christian West, the other
two acknowledge that an integration of the two civilizations is possible,
albeit extremely difficult.
And Benedict XVI is also known to acknowledge this last possibility.
Here is an extract from the much more extensive essay published in the
January-February 2006 issue of "Studium":
The Islamic Question
by Roberto A.M. Bertacchini and Piersandro Vanzan S.I.
Islamic terrorism is a rather complex response to the confrontation
with the West, which Islam sees as a devastating, deadly threat.
At the end of the 1980's, there was a pitched battle within the
Islamist camp between the positions of Abdullah Azzam and the more extremist
positions of Ayman Al-Zawahiri, a true ideologue of jihad in the form it has
taken today, which includes in the category of enemy the "Herodians," or
those who collaborate with the West. On November 24, 1989, Azzam was
assassinated in Peshawar, and Al-Zawahiri had an open field.
For the zealots, everything that comes from the outside is like poison
to their traditional ways of life, so they hold that there is only one way
to avert cultural catastrophe: expel the invader and hermetically seal off
the borders, so nothing can pollute or corrupt their miniature world. This
is, in part, the position of Osama Bin Laden, who is opposed to the American
presence, not only in Iraq, but also in Saudi Arabia.
But this defensive program would never work against Western
civilization. Unlike all previous civilizations, it is not localized or
territorially circumscribed. The pervasiveness of the global village is such
that there is only one way to escape its grasp: destroy it. And this is
Al-Zawahiri's ideological program, which he pursues with a complex strategy.
For the formula of "modernizing Islam," he substitutes another: "Islamizing
modernity," and therefore the West.
Within the Muslim world, Islamization means de-Westernizing
everything: from political and cultural institutions to economic ones, even
to the point of rethinking banking operations. On the outside, it means
spreading Islam through vigorous missionary activity, in both Europe and the
United States: this activity is supported above all by Saudia Arabia. But
according to the most radical interpretations, Islamizing the West means
violently attacking its political and economic power, without sparing the
civilian population.
This pan-Islamist program might make some smirk, just as many smirked
at Hitler before his political ascent. But this is a real program, which is
being carried out according to a clear plan, and although it is working
slowly, it is producing results.
That this is a real program can be seen in many ways.
* * *
The first piece of macroscopic data is that from Afghanistan to
Kashmir to Chechnya to Ossetia to the Philippines to Saudi Arabia to Bosnia
to Kosovo to Palestine to Egypt to Algeria to Morocco, sizeable groups have
unleashed a war against the West. It is impossible to think that these
attacks are completely independent from each other.
The second piece of macroscopic data is terrorism, especially if one
has the patience to follow the thread that extends from July 7, 2005 to
1969, and the airplane from the Rome Fiumicino airport that Leila Khaled
hijacked and blew up in Damascus.
1972 was the year of the Olympics in Munich and the massacre that
happened there. But before that, on August 16 of that same year, an airplane
headed for Tel Aviv was blown up by a record player rigged with explosives
that a couple of English tourists had received from two Arabic men who had
been romancing them. Thinking about it today brings chills: Al-Qaeda is a
new and closely related phenomenon. Courting two women in order to carry out
an attack means being deeply steeped in ideology. And it means that there is
a connection between ideology and organization - you can't just pick up an
exploding record player at the local hardware store. Unless two Arabs
happened to meet two tourists going to Tel Aviv, and then happened to get
the idea of carrying out an attack, and again happened to have a friend at
the ready to provide them with the surprise package. But already in 1970,
six airplanes had been hijacked or blown up on the ground or during flight.
The conditions for carrying out the attack of August 16, 1972, were so
complex that they required a plan constructed over years, assisted by
excellent propaganda systems and economic and human resources of the highest
caliber. People's sense morality cannot be altered in the blink of an eye.
The young women were probably attractive, and there may have been some
tenderness in them. Placing this episode side by side with the massacre at
the school in Beslan in 2004, with one hundred fifty children killed, with
those three days of torment in the gymnasium and the torture of withholding
water, with the girls who were first raped and then killed, we see a
ferocity at work that is so opposed to the common sense of morality that it
must be sustained by an absolute ideological commitment. And such an
ideology, which has religious foundations, requires that the theologians
themselves weave together the theoretical justifications for terror.
The third piece of evidence is anti-Zionism. Let's take a look at the
sequence of events. Anti-Zionism is evident in the first attacks of the 1970
's: the episode in Munich makes this utterly clear. In 1973, we had the war
of Yom Kippur, which again saw the Islamic countries forced to concede
defeat. But on October 16 and 17 of that year, during the Syro-Egyptian war
against Israel, OPEC held a conference in Kuwait City that established: a)
the quadrupling of the price of crude oil; b) the embargo against the United
States, Denmark, and Holland; c) the progressive reduction of the amount of
oil extracted; d) the effort to extend the embargo to countries that would
not accept their conditions; e) including among their political conditions
the acceptance of the withdrawal of Israel from the occupied territories on
the part of their economic partners, the recognition of the Palestinians,
the presence of the PLO at the peace negotiations, and the application of UN
resolution 242. It is a positive fact that the Islamic countries did not
recognize the newly established state of Israel. And Saddam Hussein's
hostility towards Israel was evident to the very end. So there is a clear
convergence of economic, military, and terrorist policies. After the attacks
on New York, Madrid, London, and Sharm El Sheik, one would have to be blind
not to see the almost maniacal sense of coordination and timing in this form
of Islam. But there was also coordination between the OPEC conference and
the war of Yom Kippur. This sense of timing and coordination is a cultural
message directed toward the Muslim world itself, an eminent means of
asserting that Islam is united and coordinated.
The fourth indication is missionary activity, and the fifth is
immigration. Aisha Farina, an Italian woman from Milan who converted to
Islam and has publicly expressed her veneration for Bin Laden as for a
reliable guide, said this: "Maybe all the Italians will end up converting.
In any case, we will conquer you peacefully, because our numbers double
every generation, but you are at zero growth."
But Islam is advancing in other ways, too. In Mazara del Vallo in
Sicily, since the end of the 1970's there has been a Tunisian community that
obtained permission to preserve its identity in all respects, with Tunisian
schools, teachers sent from Tunisia, Tunisian laws, etc. So although
polygamy is illegal there, it is tolerated. In other places, Muslims open
unauthorized schools, but no intervention is made. Infibulation is practiced
on women, but no one is put on trial. One the whole, this creates an
asymmetry among citizens before the law, by virtue of which some minorities
are first protected, but then become privileged. And this proves the
incompatibility of radical multiculturalism and the rule of law.
But there is an obstacle to this strategy: the American troops on
Islamic soil. From this are derived two political stances that differ not
according to the result they seek, but according to the strategies they
employ. In fact, Bin Laden - but also Iran, and perhaps Pakistan - thinks
that the oil pump will, in the end, be less influential than the nuclear
trigger. Two reasons are given for why blackmail using oil supplies cannot
last for long: one is that if the price of crude is raised too high, other
sources of energy will become more economically attractive. The other is
that, when the West is really put into a bind, it will react with force.
That is why a different strategy is necessary, which, by bringing the war
into the heart of Europe and America, blocks the use of nuclear weapons. But
doing this requires an enormous amount of money and control of the political
power that is now in the hands of less radical Muslims. So the terrorist
political approach proceeds along two parallel guidelines: fighting the
"moderate" Islamic regimes and carrying out spectacular attacks in the West,
in order to reinforce its own prestige in the eyes of the Muslim world and
establish itself as a legitimate guide. If these are the plausible
scenarios, the politics of George W. Bush also takes on an entirely
different meaning. It is the politics of the "countertrigger." The validity
of this option is yet to be verified.
The sixth and final piece of evidence is the feelings of joy expressed
by the Islamic population in the public squares, on websites, and even in
the press after September 11, 2001, and also after the devastation of
Hurricane Katrina, which the Kuwait daily "Al'Siyassa" called "a soldier
sent by God." If one comes to the point of rejoicing at horrible things,
this joy breaks off natural human solidarity and sharpens the meaning of the
expression "infidel dogs." A massacre of dogs doesn't affect me; they are
not human. This is racism, and one must begin with calling it by its name,
and then arrive at the appropriate consequences.
* * *
In short, the Islamization of the West is neither a phantasm nor
merely something feared: it is an intention and a fact that emerges from an
objective examination of the evidence.
Moderate Islam, properly so called, does not exist because there is no
institutional and moderate form of Islamic theology. There are moderate
Muslims, and some of them see things with a clear and long-term perspective.
But Islam itself, or rather the institutional religious culture of the
Muslims, has reacted in its encounter with modernity by entrenching itself
in fundamentalist positions. And this is true not only in Iran or Pakistan,
but also in Egypt.
There is, therefore, an objective convergence between the trend in
Islamic theology and the ideology of the terrorists. Fortunately, not all
the imams have the same zeal for jihad, but the problem is that there is no
moderate Islam, or rather there does not exist an Islamic theology that has
integrated modernity. This is why it would not only be prudent, as cardinal
Giacomo Biffi has suggested, to discourage Islamic immigration in Europe, it
would be masochistic to encourage it without demanding reciprocation in
terms of integration.
Islam is not compatible with liberal democracies for stronger and
deeper reasons than those that usually come to mind: it is not only a
question of polygamy, the veil, Friday religious observance, etc. That is,
it is not only a problem of the rules of behavior, morals, and worship. It
is seen in how Islam functions on its home turf. In Iran, there are mullahs
who are appointed to supervise morality. And apart from peering into the
bedroom, many more of them scrutinize the cinema, the press, and books: this
is the monitoring of the public expressions of thought, which are censured
if they are not in conformity with shari'a or the Qur'an and its official
interpretation. A professor cannot say what he likes at school, and if an
intellectual publishes his own views, he is taking a risk.
By way of explaining this issue, it is true that the Church did not
abolish the index of prohibited books until Vatican II, but before it was
abolished this institution did not carry any weight in civil affairs. That's
not how it is in Islam. Religious censure is "ipso facto" civil censure,
because the religious authorities have civil authority, and vice versa. The
entire spectrum of these and other related facts calls for intellectual
honesty on our part, because we cannot interpret them as isolated cases
devoid of general significance. And if these are not isolated cases, only
one conclusion can be drawn: the word "freedom" did not exist in Arabic for
centuries because Islamic civilization simply makes no provision for it (it
was introduced with the word "hurriyya," meaning "entitlement," only in
1774, and out of the necessity of signing treaties with Westerners). So the
absolutism of Saudi Arabia or other emirates, the legal inferiority of women
and so forth, are not correctible eccentricities. They are the effects of a
deep-rooted cause, which cannot be removed without destroying Islam. And
this is why these eccentricities are so fiercely defended: because they have
an intrinsic relationship with Muslim identity. And therefore integration
can be achieved with Muslims on an individual basis, but not with Islam.
Unfortunately, open and liberal society becomes paralyzed when it
encounters a closed and incompatible civilization. The problem of tolerance
was worked out within Christian civilization in order to defuse its internal
conflicts. But its introduction made sense, because tolerance was a value
recognized by all parties, in that it was able to find a theological
foundation.
But in Islam, there is no foundation for tolerance in the broad sense
that characterizes our secular societies. Freedom of the press does not make
sense. The Middle Ages had Boccaccio, and the Renaissance had Pietro
Aretino. But in a much less offensive case, Islam censured the mathematician
and poet Omar Khayyam (1048-1122) for talking about wine and drunkenness.
And the fact that he was rehabilitated to some extent in Iran at the end of
the twentieth century does not represent the sort of openness that one would
like to believe it does. In Saudi Arabia, Islam protects itself by banning
even the visible wearing of a necklace with a cross. But how can it protect
itself in Europe? It's not just the problem of girls wearing jeans. It is
the problem of schools, newspapers, labor unions, women in leadership roles,
cinema, television, libraries: it is the West in the sum total of its
institutions that is a threat to Islam. And not because it wants to be, but
simply because it exists. Like Israel.
* * *
The necessity for extensive self-criticism on relations with Islam,
one that would finally emerge from a blind and suicidal "niceness," is
therefore unavoidable.
Dialoguing with those who have, in the back of their minds, the idea
of Islamizing us and reducing us to dhimmi status, as subjects of an
inferior order, simply makes no sense. Dialogue with moderate Muslims should
not only be pursued; it should be increased, and the moderates supported in
every way possible, even more so than the support that was given to the
anti-Soviet resistance. But these forms of openness must be combined with a
politics of distrust and suspicion, which would tighten the net as much as
possible and utterly discourage the presence of the Islamizers in Europe.
These are, in fact, the ideological column of terrorism: you cannot fight
the one without opposing the other.
In order to enter the banquet, one must wear the wedding garment,
which we must demand of those who knock on our door. It is a garment that
makes acceptance dependant upon the observance of our laws. Otherwise we
cannot prevent some mosques, centers of Islamic culture, and circuits of
electronic preaching from cultivating hatred against us. And that's just it,
hatred - a sentiment toward which we have for too long shown a suicidal
tolerance. It is a sentiment that renders social life impossible.
And anyway, it would be too sad if everything were to end this way. We
should, instead, be the prophetic proponents of a phase of tolerance and
integration.
From the point of view of intercultural relations, a certain reduction
of the level of secularism in Western societies is probably necessary, and
this will not happen without overcoming great resistance. But from the point
of view of Islamic theology, the road ahead is not so obvious, in part
because their cultural centers seem like fortresses that will be difficult
to expunge. One way that might be practicable is that of returning to the
great mystics of the Muslim world: for example, Rabi'a or Al-Hallaji. But
Al-Hallaji was martyred by a caliph, and not by the Christians. So this
problem is connected with that of the theoretical and practical possibility
for a pluralistic Islamic theology. We think that the problem is a an
arduous one, but that it would be equally wrong to maintain either that it
is insurmountable or that it does not exist.
And this also holds true on the political level. Today's Islam
presents Europe with the problem of the civil recognition of its identity.
This is a serious problem, which Christianity has not been able to present
on its own behalf with the same forcefulness. Finding a solution on a basis
of equity - of harmonizing and safeguarding the rights of all religious
groups in the same way - will not be easy, but it is unthinkable that a
Muslim minority would be granted the civil protection of its identity and
the cultural recognition that the secularism sprung from the French
Enlightenment presumes to withhold from the Christian majority.
__________
The website of the journal in which the essay by Bertacchini and
Vanzan was published:
> "Studium"
__________
On this website, previous articles on this topic:
> Focus on ISLAM
__________
English translation by Matthew Sherry: traduttore@hotmail.com
For the latest articles go to the English home page:
> www.chiesa.espressonline.it
Sandro Magister's e-mail address is s.magister@espressoedit.it
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TOPIC: The Mighty Cheney Has Struck Out
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Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 12:52 am
From: "Kwazy Wabbit"
He cant aim and hit the Catchers glove, yet he can aim and almost blow away
someone with a shotgun accidently. He throws and shoots like a girl.
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> The Mighty Cheney Has Struck Out
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> Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit
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> [Hilarious series of stories on Cheney's pathetic attempt to throw the
> first
> ceremonial baseball pitch of the season. The entire stadium erupted in
> loud
> BOOs as he emerged on the field. And it didn't stop as he lumbered up,
> clad
> in a suspiciously bulky kevlar jacket, stopped short of the pitcher's
> mound,
> tossed off a ball that landed short of homeplate. The booing continued
> until
> he galumphed off the field. The whole thing was so mortifying that local
> TV
> went to a commercial, and Fox News muted the audio.
>
> This is the reception given to the most powerful man in the US government,
> in the nation's capital, on opening day of the baseball season. At least
> he
> didn't shoot anyone. -NY Transfer]
>
> The Washington Times - Apr 12, 2006
> http://washingtontimes.com/national/20060411-115926-8967r.htm
>
> Cheney's pitch not a hit at home opener
>
> By Joseph Curl
>
> Harry L. Horton, 64, has been attending major-league baseball in the
> nation's capital since the days when he was growing up on East Capitol
> Street and watching the old Washington Senators at Griffith Stadium.
>
> But yesterday was a first for him.
>
> "I have never -- ever -- heard anyone get booed like that man," the
> affable
> usher and lifelong Democrat said yesterday with a smile.
>
> "That man" was Vice President Dick Cheney, who, two months after shooting
> a
> bird-hunting companion in the face, tried his hand at another sporting
> event
> - -- tossing out the first pitch for the Washington Nationals' home opener
> at
> RFK Stadium.
>
> The vice president, clad in a bright-red, bulky Nationals jacket, was
> announced just after opera tenor Placido Domingo had stirred the crowd
> with
> a soaring rendition of "The Star-Spangled Banner" and F-16 fighter jets
> had
> roared overhead.
>
> Mr. Cheney strode out of the Nats' dugout and boos immediately began to
> rain
> down on him, growing to a crescendo as he neared the mound.
>
> But not everyone at the half-filled stadium was booing. Former Clinton
> strategist James Carville, in the front row just behind the home team's
> dugout, was howling like a hyena, his face contorted in laughter. Next to
> him, his wife, Mary Matalin, cheered enthusiastically as her former boss
> headed to the mound.
>
> Yet the vice president, a year older than Mr. Horton, didn't toe the
> pitcher's rubber, 60 feet 6 inches from home plate. Instead, he took a
> spot
> in front of the mound, on the infield grass. The boos sustained their
> deafening pitch in the stadium's bowl. With a jerky and short windup, the
> vice president threw the ball toward home plate.
>
> It didn't quite make it. The ball skipped in the dirt just in front of the
> plate, but was expertly scooped up by Washington catcher Brian Schneider.
> The fans booed until Mr. Cheney was back out of sight in the dugout.
>
> The vice president's wardrobe was suspicious on the hot and cloudless
> April
> day. Veteran White House reporters suspected he was wearing a bulletproof
> vest underneath, just as President Bush has in the past when he's thrown
> out
> first pitches. But Mr. Horton said the security effort might have been
> misguided. "He don't need the vest. We need the vest," he said with
> another
> laugh.
>
> The president, who last year threw out the ceremonial pitch when baseball
> returned to the capital for the first time since 1971, decided not to
> attend
> this year's opener in a city where he got just 9 percent of the vote in
> the
> 2004 presidential election.
>
> And Mr. Cheney likely didn't win many fans yesterday, either. The ballpark
> was only half full at the 1:05 p.m. start time because hundreds were still
> stuck in long lines to clear metal detectors. The game didn't go too well
> for the struggling Nats, either. They lost to the New York Mets, 7-1.
>
> And, for the record, Mr. Horton didn't boo the losing Nats or the vice
> president. "I may be a Democrat, but I'm not like that," he said.
>
> ***
>
>
> Mediabistro - Apr 11, 2006
> http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlDC/sports/just_asking_35243.asp?c=rss
>
> fishbowlDC
> Tuesday, Apr 11, 2006
>
> Just Asking....
>
> Why did the local television coverage of the Nationals home opener today
> on
> the Mid-Atlantic Sports Network cut away and go to commercial when Vice
> President Cheney threw out the ceremonial first pitch?
>
> Might it be related to the anticipated round of "boos" that rained down
> from
> the stands when the Veep took the field?
>
> Fox News covered the pitch, but muted some of the audio.
>
> ***
>
>
> ThinkProgress - Apr 11, 2006
> http://thinkprogress.org/2006/04/11/cheney-boo-baseball/
>
> Think Progress
> April 11, 2006
>
> VIDEO: Cheney Loudly Booed During First Pitch
>
> Vice President Cheney threw out the ceremonial first pitch at the home
> opener of the Washington Nationals game today. The crowd was was less than
> thrilled to have him there, loudly booing over the Fox News reporter.
> (Note:
> Fox producers muted the crowd audio halfway through before letting viewers
> "listen in" after the pitch.)
>
> Watch it:
> http://images1.americanprogress.org/il80web20037/ThinkProgress/2006/cheneypitch.320.240.mov
>
> ***
>
> AP via MSNBC - Apr 11, 2006
> http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12269994/
>
> Cheney booed loudly, throws out first pitch
>
> Vice president throws out first pitch after visiting Mets, Nats locker
> rooms
>
> The Associated Press
>
> WASHINGTON - Greeted with loud boos and some cheers, Vice President Dick
> Cheney threw out the ceremonial first pitch Tuesday at the Washington
> Nationals' home opener.
>
> He stood directly in front of the mound and released a ball that hit the
> dirt in front of home plate. Nationals catcher Brian Schneider scooped it
> up.
>
> Cheney wore a red-and-blue Nationals jacket that seemed bulky, perhaps
> filled out by a bulletproof vest. Security agents ringed the top edge of
> the
> outdoor stadium.
>
> There was plenty of pomp before the Nationals played the New York Mets to
> start their second season at home. Opera star Placido Domingo sang the
> national anthem, four military jets screeched overhead and a burst of
> fireworks filled the sky on the brilliantly sunny day.
>
> The vice president visited both clubhouses before the game, won by the
> Mets
> 7-1.
>
> New York third baseman David Wright said he was thrilled to meet Cheney
> and
> shrugged off the booing.
>
> "When you've got 50 percent of America that's Republican, 50 percent
> that's
> Democrat, you're probably going to get mixed reviews," Wright said.
>
> Last year, the capital's first with a baseball team since 1971, President
> Bush tossed out the first pitch at the home opener. Many fans were late to
> their seats because security lines at metal detectors - installed for the
> president's visit - were still 20 deep when the game began.
>
> Cheney became the eighth sitting vice president to open a home season by
> throwing out the first pitch for a Washington team. James Sherman
> inaugurated the tradition in 1912, and the last to do so was Hubert
> Humphrey
> in 1968.
>
> Other vice presidents who have thrown the first pitch in Washington were
> Thomas Marshall in 1917 and again in 1920, Charles Dawes in 1926, John
> Garner in 1939, Henry Wallace in 1942 and 1944, and Richard Nixon in 1959.
> Humphrey did the honors in 1966 and 1968.
>
> © 2006 The Associated Press. 69994/
>
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TOPIC: What would happen if Eyeran got the bomb?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e4f988ecf072905d
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 12 2006 11:57 pm
From: Ian MacLure
visualseeplus@yahoo.com wrote in
news:1144607153.546968.234240@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> Supposing eyeran managed to successfully test a bomb, how would the US
> deal with such a scenario? How would it impact US foreign policy.
Life would continue.
The sun would rise in Teheran although being as how it was 0100
local time some would think it a little unusual.
IBM
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TOPIC: Colorado: Kids Stage Old Glory Walkout.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2f1882ac30dc275
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 12 2006 11:58 pm
From: Alric Knebel
Way Back Jack wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 11:30:35 -0500, Alric Knebel
> <alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:
>
>
>>Way Back Jack wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 00:44:23 -0500, Alric Knebel
>>><alric@[cableone.net]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>You don't see geniuses
>>>>worrying about this shit, do you?
>>>
>>>
>>>I see retards sweeping this "shit" under the rug, making excuses for
>>>it, and in general groveling.
>>
>>Making excuses for WHAT, you nitwit? I don't care, one way or the
>>other. Whatever the findings, it's not going to change my condition,
>>and it's not going to change yours. Do you get my point? If not, let
>>me explain. There's got to be something wrong with you that focus on
>>this issue. Most of us are average, be we black, white, whatever. If
>>there are more geniuses among the white race that raises the IQ level,
>>that's not going to make much of a difference to the capabilities of the
>>rest of us. Unless, of course, you're so low on the scale that you want
>>to dissolve your individuality into the statistics of the white race,
>>thereby raising your own esteem. Do you see what I mean? So, you see,
>>if one of us is retarded, it's YOU, you shit-for-brains kook.
>>
>>No, go back to cooking your numbers, you silly toot. In fact, overcook
>>them: you need them nice and soft, so your slow mind can digest them easier.
>
>
> Oh OK:
>
> http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/pdf/dst2003/2004459.pdf
>
>
> 2003 NAEP Public Schools Avg Reading Scores
And you cook so well. Doesn't he, everybody? He cooks almost as well
as a smart person.
Keep up the good work, Billy. Initiative is everything.
--
Alric Knebel
http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.html
http://www.ironeyefortress.com
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TOPIC: AHMADINEJAD....
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/168923a383917185
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 4:53 pm
From: "Tilly"
Ariadne wrote:
> DoD wrote:
> > "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> > news:Nlf%f.23$Jk3.13@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> > > .... WOULD BE PRETTY STUPID NOT TO DEVELOP A NUKE OR TWO,
> > > CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT NO COUNTRY IN MIDDLE EAST IS SAFE FROM
> > > BEING COLONIZED BY BUSH!
> >
> > If they were not developing any weapons there would be a dramatic
> > reduction of the chance of being colonized.
>
> 'Colonised' is a good one. Can you imagine any
> sane person wanting to live in any of these God-
> forsaken countries?
Iran is actually a beautiful country, I have been there.It would be a whole
lot better without the Ayatollahs though.
--
TillyGr@hotmail.com
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 5:11 am
From: "DoD"
"Ya salama" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:1144898544.859229.107730@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> DoD wrote:
>> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>> news:sUi%f.80$MM6.49@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>> > > Our preachers and rabbis that are nuts are fewer in numbers. Also it
>> > > is
>> >> these relgious nutbars that are intertwined in government. That is the
>> >> way it is in Islam. That is why Islam is so dangerous.
>> > Aha, and who do you think Dov Zakheim is if he is not a Rabbi, who
>> > misdirected billions to Israel,
>>
>> I don't know who he is.
>
> Google the thief up!
I googled thief and I came up with Palestinian.....LOL....
>> and wjhat about Bush is he Christian
>> > Ayatollah or not?
>>
>> No.
> There is no diff between between Bush and Mullahs, except that Bush
> tells more lies than Mullahs do!
Except that Bush believes Jews are the rightful owners of Israel....other
than that.... self hating Jewish ding dongs go out of their way to support
euro ding dongs in their assertion to rewrite history...
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TOPIC: A Letter to President Bush
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/bc6b428a5d14df80
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 12 2006 10:03 pm
From: "Joe Gillis"
A Letter to President Bush
-----------------------------------
Dear President Bush:
I'm about to plan a little trip with my family and
extended family,
and I would like to ask you to assist me. I'm going to
walk across the
border from the U.S. into Mexico, and I need to make a
few arrangements.
I know you can help with this.
I plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas,
passports, immigration
quotas and laws. I'm sure they handle those things the
same way you do
here.
So, would you mind telling your buddy, President
Vicente Fox, that
I'm on my way over? Please let him know that I will be
expecting the
following:
1. Free medical care for my entire family.
2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all
services I might
need, whether I use them or not.
3. All government forms need to be printed in
English.
4. I want my kids to be taught by English-speaking
teachers.
5. Schools need to include classes on American
culture and history.
6. I want my kids to see the American flag flying on
the top of the
flag pole at their school with the Mexican flag flying
lower down.
7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both
breakfast and
lunch.
8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I
can get easy
access to government services.
9. I do not plan to have any car insurance, and I
won't make any
effort to learn local traffic laws.
10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does
not get the memo
from Pres. Fox to leave me alone, please be sure that
all police
officers speak English.
11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top,
put flag decals on
my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I
do not want any
complaints or negative comments from the locals.
12. I would also like to have a nice job without
paying any taxes,
and don't enforce any labor laws or tax laws.
13. Please tell all the people in the country to be
extremely nice
and never say a critical word about me, or about the
strain I might place
on the economy.
I know this is an easy request because you already
do all these
things for all the people who come to the U.S. from
Mexico. I am sure that
Pres. Fox won't mind returning the favor if you ask
him nicely.
However, if he gives you any trouble, just invite
him to go quail
hunting with your V.P.
Thank you so much for your kind help.
Sincerely,
A Fellow American
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 12 2006 10:23 pm
From: spinoza1111@yahoo.com
Joe Gillis wrote:
> A Letter to President Bush
> -----------------------------------
>
> Dear President Bush:
>
> I'm about to plan a little trip with my family and
> extended family,
> and I would like to ask you to assist me. I'm going to
> walk across the
> border from the U.S. into Mexico, and I need to make a
> few arrangements.
> I know you can help with this.
>
> I plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas,
> passports, immigration
> quotas and laws. I'm sure they handle those things the
> same way you do
> here.
>
> So, would you mind telling your buddy, President
> Vicente Fox, that
> I'm on my way over? Please let him know that I will be
> expecting the
> following:
>
> 1. Free medical care for my entire family.
There is no such thing in America for either illegal immigrants, legal
residents, or citizens.
>
> 2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all
> services I might
> need, whether I use them or not.
>
> 3. All government forms need to be printed in
> English.
Any multilingual society, which the Southwest already is not because of
illegal immigration but because it was acquired by conquest and by
treaty (Guadalupe Hidalgo) provides this service for legal residents
and citizens as a matter of practical policy. Here in Hong Kong,
despite the fact that 95% of residents speak Cantonese, I can get forms
in English, and my Filipina friend can use Tagalog in government
offices.
The demand for bilingualism is a demand for simple justice. There is
plenty of economic motivation for people to learn English at their own
pace.
>
> 4. I want my kids to be taught by English-speaking
> teachers.
As opposed to the experience of a friend of mine, who upon legal
immigration, years ago, was allowed to sit in class and fail? News
fucking fa lash: state constitutions that guarantee public education,
and make no mention of English, mean that states are legally required
to teach in languages used.
>
> 5. Schools need to include classes on American
> culture and history.
Mexico provides this, as do most other countries outside the US. I just
finished teaching American History here in China. And, since the
history is not white-washed, the Mexican version includes some
interesting FACTS about the US war of AGGRESSION in 1846, facts which
are affirmed by none other than Ulysses Grant in his Memoirs.
>
> 6. I want my kids to see the American flag flying on
> the top of the
> flag pole at their school with the Mexican flag flying
> lower down.
This is just bullshit, and, a stick of shitfire with a wick on it.
You appeal to genuine feelings of victimization based on the fact that
America has long been internally colonized by corporations and as a
result, American CITIZENS can't get decent jobs or health care, and
their best shot is to join the Army.
But like Slobodan Milosevic in Yugoslavia, you invite the
still-dominant Anglo majority to fantasize that they are being
victimized by little brown men.
You want what happened as a result in Bosnia to happen in America?
>
> 7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both
> breakfast and
> lunch.
As it happens, American schools, owing to propertied pigs who won't pay
taxes, don't have adequate roofs, and they DON'T serve breakfast. Their
lunchrooms have been colonized by junk food corporations that nearly
half of America's kids are obese, because they overeat at one or two
meals a day and are terrorized out of athletic programs by underfunding
and bullies.
Poor kids in America are obese not because of adequate nutrition, but
primarily because a single company, McDonald's, has so monopolized food
delivery that it is able to charge "everyday low prices" for meals that
by providing too much fat and sugar give the kid a feeling of satiety.
>
> 8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I
> can get easy
> access to government services.
>
> 9. I do not plan to have any car insurance, and I
> won't make any
> effort to learn local traffic laws.
What planet do you live on? Illegal immigrants are in fact careful to
obey laws for the very good reason that they don't want go back to
Mexko. Therefore they get the license. To get the license, they get the
insurance. End of story.
The typical uninsured driver in America is the Citizen Loser, who hates
immigrants and can't (because other people are, systematically,
responsible for all his personal problems) be bothered to send in the
payments or sign up in the first place, even if the sign-up card for
the worst drivers falls out his copy of Maxim.
>
> 10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does
> not get the memo
> from Pres. Fox to leave me alone, please be sure that
> all police
> officers speak English.
>
> 11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top,
> put flag decals on
> my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I
> do not want any
> complaints or negative comments from the locals.
Mexican citizens, legal residents, and wetbacks have a RIGHT to
celebrate Cinco de Mayo, just as Paddies celebrate St. Pat's.
>
> 12. I would also like to have a nice job without
> paying any taxes,
> and don't enforce any labor laws or tax laws.
(Sigh) (Eye roll) (Crotch grab)
The taxes on the immigrant, moron, are taken out de paycheck. Or were
you not aware that this is done at the payroll office where you work?
Check it out.
>
> 13. Please tell all the people in the country to be
> extremely nice
> and never say a critical word about me, or about the
> strain I might place
> on the economy.
Fucking A. What's so funny about peace, love and understanding?
>
> I know this is an easy request because you already
> do all these
> things for all the people who come to the U.S. from
> Mexico. I am sure that
> Pres. Fox won't mind returning the favor if you ask
> him nicely.
>
> However, if he gives you any trouble, just invite
> him to go quail
> hunting with your V.P.
>
> Thank you so much for your kind help.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> A Fellow American
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TOPIC: Challenge to Iraq Body Count Figures, Methodology
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/dd687924c243909e
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 5:05 am
From: "Acharya"
<NY.Transfer.News@blythe.org> wrote in message
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> Challenge to Iraq Body Count Figures, Methodology
>
> Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit
NY Tranfer bullshit doesn't count the daily Iraqi deaths at the hands of
alqaeda terrorists and Iraqi insurgents which outnumbers all others by far.
Iraq Body Count gets their cauality figures from news reports and press
releases
.Iraq Body Count uses a survey of online news reports to produce its running
tally, including a "minimum" and "maximum" figure where reports differ, or
it is unclear whether a person killed was a civilian.
The figures include not only deaths caused by military action, but also
those it considers a "direct result" of Iraq's breakdown in law and order.
On 1 April 2006 it put the total number of civilian dead at 31,821 to 35,950
and the number of police dead at 1,950.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4525412.stm
< drivel cut >
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TOPIC: THE PROBLEMS WITH ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN THE US
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b462f77d61ef1898
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 12:09 am
From: bearclaw@cruller.invalid
In article <1144902662.943980.53900@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
rzorto90@yahoo.com wrote:
> The illegals are going to drain most - if not all - economic
> resources in terms of social welffare and community instability, i.e,
> impacted prision population.
Yes, all those day laborers, maids and gardeners are ruining the
country. The issue is a much more ominous threat than poverty, nuclear
war or global climate change, and thus a major concern of those with
too much time on their hands.
--
"So much information, so little time to digest."
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TOPIC: This Land is Their Land, and We Are the Illegal Aliens
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6f24ab2b39ff1401
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 12 2006 10:15 pm
From: gigo448@netscape.net
Joe Stiborik wrote:
> <gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:1144815004.993631.149070@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Joe Stiborik wrote:
> >> <gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
> >> news:1144806972.655713.280840@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> >> >
> >> > RAY S. ELIZONDO wrote:
> >> >> <gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:1144795156.195167.38760@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> >> >> > Hehh, If we let the Jews keep Israel, it's only fair
> >> >> > that American Indians get thier land back from the
> >> >> > US of A!
> >> >> >
> >> >> Have you visited one of the many Indian Casinos?
> >> >
> >> > NO, but I hear tell they are the envy of those in Las Vegas.
> >> >
> >>
> >> With obsolutely no competition nearby, you bet!
> >
> > Nice theory, but I don't think supply and demand works quite that way!
> > With customers going out of thier way just to get to them instead.
> >
>
> What exactly makes you say this? I know you have some facts.
What I have is business experience. There are two ways to get customers
go to them, or have them come to you! The later requires a product or
service
that people are willing to go out of thier way for. Those Indian
Casino's are not
exactly in prominent locations, yet they seem to do well for
themselves.
Obviously they are in "demand", or they wouldn't be so successful out
in the middle of nowhere.
>
> >>
> >> Maybe the Palestinians should try this...
> >
> > Hehh, don't you first gotta put them all on a reservation in the middle
> > of the
> > desert?
> >
>
> No.
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TOPIC: Iraqi forces fail to recruit Sunnis
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c20b5405950e54a1
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 5:21 am
From: "Acharya"
<NY.Transfer.News@blythe.org> wrote in message
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> Iraqi forces fail to recruit Sunnis
>
Not true. There are extremist radical Sunnis and moderate Sunnis. Only the
radical fundamentalists and violent extremists are trouble makers.
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TOPIC: MILES DE CUBANOS FUERON EXPULSADOS DESHONROSAMENTE DE SUS PUESTOS DE DE
TRABAJO ENTRE LOS ANOS 63 Y 74 POR EL SOLO HECHO DE LLENAR
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d47025dd3d04c7a3
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 1:10 am
From: "PM"
El olfato me absolverá. ....
Esta carta esta formidable!!!
Histórica carta de la condesa de Revilla Camargo a Fidel Castro
A principios de la revolución comunista de Fidel Castro, una de sus prioridades -quizás la más importante para él y sus sicarios- fue la de apoderarse de las mansiones, los negocios y el dinero de la clase rica, cuya inmensa mayoría había hecho su fortuna trabajando toda su vida, administrando inteligentemente sus bienes para que éstos crecieran y cumpliendo con los preceptos que la ley exige. A Castro nada de esto le importó. Se expropiaron sus negocios y cuentas bancarias, se confiscaron sus casas y la que antes fue la clase adinerada del país tuvo que marchar al destierro y empezar de nuevo sus vidas, que gran parte de ellos la hicieron de nuevo próspera, gracias a sus esfuerzos y talento. En la revista ³Bohemia² de ese primer año de la ³robolución², apareció un reportaje, gráfico y escrito, donde se describía con fotos y palabras el asalto a la mansión de la condesa de Revilla Camargo, destrozando sus paredes para tratar de encontrar ³tesoros escondidos² y ³riquezas ocultas². ¡Acabaron con la mansión! Ya en el destierro, la condesa, a través de la columna del poeta Ernesto Montaner, ya fallecido, en un periódico en español de Miami publicó una carta abierta a Fidel Castro que, como decimos los cubanos y la propia autora en su carta: ³No tiene desperdicio². Hoy, en lugar de mi columna, la he sacado de mis archivos y la pongo a disposición de mis lectores, para que los cubanos que llegaron al destierro después de su publicación puedan enterarse de la misma.
Doctor Fidel Castro:
Fíjese que le digo ³doctor² en vez de ³señor². Y no se asombre. Estoy dispuesta a llamarle ³Premier², ³Comandante², ³Presidente² y todo eso a lo que, de un modo u otro, ³se llega². Pero jamás le diría ³señor², porque a eso no ³se llega², se nace.
Y usted no nació señor, doctor. Esta última coma lo explica todo; desde su inferioridad congénita hasta la destrucción de nuestra Patria. Porque las comas, doctor, tienen demasiada importancia en nuestro lenguaje; ese mismo lenguaje que usted estropea y destruye con idéntica crueldad con que destruye y estropea las demás cosas. Pero observe que una coma mal colocada, puede transformar no sólo la Gramática, sino hasta la Historia, puesto que si en vez de decir: ³y usted no nació señor, doctor², dijera ³y usted no, nació señor, doctor², estaría ofendiendo a los señores, a Cuba y a Dios, Nuestro Señor.
Y ya, con las comas y los puntos en su sitio, pasemos a tratar sobre un tema que a usted le enfurece y a mí me entretiene y hasta me divierte: la crónica social.
La otra noche la emprendió usted contra los cronistas y contra la sociedad. Sobre todo, contra la sociedad. Se explica: ese es el único ³latifundio² destruido y confiscado sin perjuicio de su familia.
¡Oh, ese odio suyo a la sociedad! Es irreconciliable. ¿Cómo se puede andar por la vida con tanto odio a cuestas? Es incomprensible. Y más aún en quien como usted- ha tenido que escalar, porque todo lo ha obtenido escalando y trepando. ¿No le pesaba demasiado el odio? ¿No le estorbaba? Pregunta ingenua. No le estorbaba. De haberle estorbado, lo habría suprimido. Como ha suprimido cuanto le ha estorbado. Desde Camilo Cienfuegos, hasta la ³patria potestad² que, de hecho, ya está suprimida, o trasladada como ³función social² del estado.
Usted, doctor, lo odia todo. Pero es lógico: odia lo que nunca tuvo y nunca tuvo nada. Si no me inspirara tanta repugnancia sentiría por usted una profunda lástima y hasta humana compasión. ¡Si se viera! ¡Es tan abominable! Es tan repulsivo que ha logrado que la humanidad llegara a sentir por usted lo que usted siempre ha sentido por la humanidad: asco, repulsión y desprecio.
Por eso, la otra noche, cuando desbarrando bajo la lluvia porque llovía torrencialmente- usted lanzaba contra la sociedad cubana los dardos envenenados de sus insultos y calumnias, hube de transportarme ,transporte mental, no se haga ilusiones- a mi residencia del Vedado, robada y tiznada por el Premier Alí Babá y sus cuarenta mil ladrones².
Y eché a volar la imaginación. Lo vi a usted, en mi mesa, con seis milicianas, dos rusos, un chino, -el chino no era Kuchilán- dos checoslovacos y Almeida. Comiendo al estilo ruso, de la Rusia de hoy, donde todas las groserías están previstas. No a la rusa, como siempre se sirvió mi mesa, que era el estilo fino y elegante de la Rusia aristocrática y tradicional, cuyas elevadas costumbres no murieron bajo la metralla criminal que exterminó al Zar y a toda su familia.
Los vi metiendo las manos en los platos de caviar y llevándolas a las grandes bocas insaciables, tratando de limpiarse después, bocas y manos, en el mantel.
También vi a la plebe, con su jefe nato presidiendo la mesa, tomarse mi champán. El champán de mis bodegas. Y no lo sorbían, lo volcaban sobre las fauces, como si lo arrojaran al vertedero.
Los comentarios de los alfabetizadores no tenían desperdicios. Una de las milicianas decía:
-Esas ³bolitas² (caviar) no me gustan. Parecen uvitas con sabor a pescado.
Y otro remataba:
-Yo quiero cerveza o ron. ³Esto² está muy amargo. Pa¹mí que esta sidra se ha echao a perder con tanto tiempo guardada ahíS
Almeida aprovechó para poner el diálogo en su salsa:
-La verdá, compañero Fidel, yo prefiero la carne con papas y los huevos fritos con arroz. En estas comidas ³fistas² se queda uno como si no hubiera comidoS
Y usted no dijo nada, Fidel, porque decir algo le hubiese llevado mucho tiempo. Porque uno de los rusos se lo hubiera tenido que traducir al compañero ruso, a los compañeros checos y al compañero chino. Y eso le iba a embargar demasiado el tiempo que usted necesitaba para algo que advertí en sus ojos: el propósito de salir de allí, lo más pronto posible, para sumergirse en una fonda de chinos y ³banquetearse² con un suculento plato de arroz frito, con chop suy y mariposas fritas.
No se extrañe, doctor Castro, ³gato no come tomates². Y la chusma como si pesara sobre ella una maldición- es alérgica al champán, al caviar, a la mantelería de hilo y las cristalerías de ³Bohemia² o de ³baccarat².
Por eso mi casa le es tan adversa a usted y los suyos, como los suyos y usted, a mi casa.
Es una consecuencia lógica. Y hasta una represalia justa.
A mí me da náuseas su peste.
Y a usted mi perfume.
El olfato me absolverá.
Usted me lo ha robado todo. Usted ha detentado mi casa. Usted ha convertido mi residencia en un chiquero.
¡Ah, pero en el pecado lleva la penitencia!
En mi casa donde quiera- hay cosas finas y olor a limpio y a decencia.
¿Se asustó la primera vez que entró en ella, verdad?
¡Vea usted mi venganza!
Todos los ladrones, cuando entran en una casa, asustan a los dueños de la casa. Y esa es mi venganza: usted es el único ladrón que al entrar ha sido el asustado.
¿Le parece poca mi venganza?
A mí, Dios me perdone, me parece excesivamente cruel.
De usted, con todo mi perfume.
Condesa de Revilla Camargo.
ANÉCDOTAS FAMOSAS
La de hoy es una anécdota que bien pudiera aplicarse al presente de muchos países, y muy especialmente a éste en que vivimos.
Federico II de Prusia dio una comida de gala a sus nobles y cortesanos y durante ella pidió a los presentes que le explicasen la causa de la progresiva baja en las rentas reales a pesar de los elevados impuestos. Un general muy anciano respondió con sequedad:
-Ahora mismo voy a enseñar a Vuestra Majestad lo que ocurre con el dinero.
Dicho esto, tomó un gran pedazo de hielo, lo levantó para que todos pudieran verlo y se lo entregó al vecino de mesa, rogándole que lo hiciera pasar de mano en mano. Al llegar el trozo de hielo a las manos del rey su tamaño era aproximadamente el de un guisante.
Calle http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/calle23/index.htm 23
Quinta http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/quinta/index.htm
Avenida
Línea <http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/linea/index.htm
Almendares
http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/almendares/index.htm
Calle http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/calle26/index.htm 26
Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/ave26/index.htm 26
Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/ave11/index.htm 11
Avenida
http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/presidentes/index.htm
de los Presidentes
Rancho http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/rancho/index.htm
Boyeros
Monserrate
http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/monserrate/index.htm
Empedrado http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/empedrado/index.htm
Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/puerto/index.htm del
Puerto
Calle Cuba http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/cuba/ind
"PM" <pedro1940@progression.net> a écrit dans le message de news: qDi%f.4140$L.86033@news20.bellglobal.com...
estas cosas no les suceden a los emigrantes mexicanos, dominicano,o haitianos o a gente de cualquier otro pais...COMO SI LES HA SIEMPRE SUCEDIDO A LOS CUBANOS.
MILES DE CUBANOS FUERON EXPULSADOS DESHONROSAMENTE DE SUS PUESTOS DE TRABAJO ENTRE LOS ANOS 63 Y 74 POR EL SOLO HECHO DE LLENAR
SOLICITUDES PARA SALIR DEL PAIS.
QUE ESOS MISMOS INCLUYENDO LAS MUJERES FUERON INTERNADOS EN
CAMPAMENTOS DE TRABAJOS FORZADOS, DONDE UN TRANSPORTE LOS LLEVABA Y
LOS TRAIAN UNA VEZ CADA 15 DIAS A VER SUS FAMILIARES POR UNAS HORAS NADA MAS.
QUE AQUELLOS QUE SE IBAN DE LOS CAMPAMENTOS ERAN CLASIFICADOS COMO
APATRIDAS EN FUGA Y ERAN BUSCADOS POR LAS AUTORIDADES Y ALGUNOS
CONDENADOS POR LA LEY DEL VAGO HASTA A 5 ANOS EN CARCELES COMUNES.
QUE EL PUEBLO BAUTIZO A AQUELLOS INMIGRANTES COMO "BECADOS DE
JOHNSON", ENTONCES PRESIDENTE DE LOS EEUU
QUE EL PROMEDIO DE TIEMPO PARA QUE TE AUTORIZARAN LA SALIDA ERA DE
30 MESES.
QUE PREVIO A INTERNARTE EN EL CAMPO DE CONCENTRACIONA SE TE HACIA UN
INVENTARIO DE TODOS LOS ARTICULOS DE TU CASA INCLUYENDO EFECTOS
ELECTRODOMESTICOS, ROPA DE CAMA, PERSONAL, CAMAS, ARTICULOS DE
COCINA. Y TODO ESO DEBIAS TENERLO ALLI CUANDO TE LLEGABA EL VIAJE SO
PENA DE NO DEJARTE SALIR.
QUE TU CASA Y TODO LO DE ADENTRO ERA PROPIEDAD DEL ESTADO Y NO
PODIAS DEJARLO A NINGUN HIJO, PADRE, HERMANO, AMISTAD, A NADIE SO
PENA DE PERDER TU PERMISO DE SALIDA.
QUE EN EL CAMPO CADA EMIGRANTE TENIA UNA META DE ARROBAS DE CANAS
QUE CORTAR O ZURCOS QUE SEMBRAR O LIMPIAR Y QUE SI NO LA CUMPLIAS
TENIAS QUE QUEDAR EN EL TERRENO HASTA QUE LAS TERMINARAS.
QUE FUERON CLASIFICADOS DE GUSANOS, APATRIDAS Y TRAIDORES A LA
PATRIA Y SUS HIJOS ERAN MAL MIRADOS EN LAS ESCUELAS.
QUE SI UN APATRIDA TENIA UN HIJO VARON, Y ESTE CUMPLIA 15 ANOS
DENTRO DEL PERIODO DE ESPERA DE LA SALIDA, LOS PADRES TENIAN QUE
DEJAR EL NINO ATRAS HASTA QUE ESTE CUMPLIERA LOS 27 ANOS DE EDAD.
QUE ESO DIO LUGAR A QUE MUCHOS DESPUES DE ESTAR ANOS EN EL CAMPO SE
VIERON OBLIGADOS A "RENUNCIAR" A SU VUELO Y QUEDARSE PARA NO SER
REINTEGRADOS DESPUES A SUS ANTIGUOS TRABAJOS, SIN QUE ERAN
INCORPORADOS A LAS BRIGADAS DE CONSTRUCCION O CANERAS.
QUE UNA VEZ EN USA, LA COMUNICACION TELEFONICA CON LOS QUE SE
QUEDABAN ERAN LIMITADAS A 3 MINUTOS, Y ERAN MONITOREADAS POR LAS
OPERADORAS TELEFONICAS EN LA POSICION INTERNACIONAL, TODAS
AUXILIARES DE LA POLICIA POLITICA CUBANA G-2
ESE ES EL GOBIERNO DEMOCRATICO, Y DE JUSTICIA SOCIAL QUE DEFIENDEN
LOS TONTOS Y ENGANADOS LATINOAMERICANOS, ROJOS, ROSADOS O INGENUOS.
EL QUE ESTO ESCRIBE ENTRO EN EN ESE PROGRAMA DE TRABAJO FORZADO EN
SEPTIEMBRE DEL 68 Y SALIO EN SEPTIEMBRE DEL 74, SIN QUE NUNCA LE
DIERAN EL PERMISO DE SALIDA A SU FAMILIA, Y QUE DECIDIO CORRER EL
RIESGO Y QUDARSE EN EL PAIS PORQUE NO TUVO VALOR DE ABANDONAR A SUS
HIJOS, PADRES Y ESPOSA EN EL INFIERNAL PARAISO DE CASTRO.
6 ANOS PERDIDOS DE MI VIDA...SOLO PORQUE QUISE CAMBIAR MI ENTORNO EN
OTRO SITIO DE MAYOR LIBERTAD Y OPORTUNIDAD PARA EL DESARROLLO DE MI
FAMILIA.
POBRES ILUSOS, SE HAN PREGUNTADO SI ESO ES LO QUE QUIEREN PARA SUS
PUEBLOS?.
--
CALLES DE LA HABANA: (ESTE WEBSITE ES UNA JOYA)
Calle http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/calle23/index.htm 23
Quinta http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/quinta/index.htm
Avenida
Línea <http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/linea/index.htm
Almendares
http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/almendares/index.htm
Calle http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/calle26/index.htm 26
Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/ave26/index.htm 26
Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/ave11/index.htm 11
Avenida
http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/presidentes/index.htm
de los Presidentes
Rancho http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/rancho/index.htm
Boyeros
Monserrate
http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/monserrate/index.htm
Empedrado http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/empedrado/index.htm
Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/puerto/index.htm del
Puerto
Calle Cuba http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/cuba/ind
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TOPIC: BOYCOTT COMPANIES THAT SUPPORT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION - Add to this list
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/905a98f75a37edde
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 5:30 am
From: "Tx Max King"
I am ready to boycott corporations that support illegal immigration amnesty.
If you know of any corporations or large companies that are openly
supporting illegal immigration amnesty by their actions, please list them in
this thread.
Let's get the word out and let these lawbreakers that are profitting from
you with their illegal actions, know that we as citizens and consumers mean
BUSINESS.
I personally do not want to spend my hard earned dollar on corporations that
are cheating at the expense of hard working, tax paying Americans.
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TOPIC: Former Head Of Star Wars Program Says Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect*
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/788cbd74b903b122
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 5:31 am
From: "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
"effty" <gospameffty@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:cwj%f.13179$gy2.5758@trnddc08...
> He's running for congress too!
>
> http://www.bowman2006.com/
>
> Vote for him twice, if you can!
If the democratic party had as much money with which to bribe
Diebold, the electronic voting machine company, as the republican
swindlers do, he *might* show some doubled vote tallys.
DM
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/040406mainsuspect.htm
Former Head Of Star Wars Program Says Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect
Official version of events a conspiracy theory, says drills were cover
for attacks.
April 4 2006
The former head of the Star Wars missile defense program under
Presidents Ford and Carter has gone public to say that the official
version of 9/11 is a conspiracy and his main suspect for the
architect of the attack is Vice President Dick Cheney.
....
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TOPIC: Iran shows backdrop of 'Peaceful Doves' as it Announces NUCLEAR
BREAKTHROUGH...but I got a better picture!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c05483fded84e919
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 12:32 am
From: Alric Knebel
Topaz wrote:
> [copy-paste article deleted]
No matter how many times you copy and paste the same few articles, your
reality is not altered one bit: YOU are inferior to most of humankind,
be they black, red, straight, gay -- whatever. In fact, that you can't
defend your supremacist ideology with your own thoughts proves my point,
that you're an empty-headed weakling, a man of inferior quality and
fiber, having nothing really to contribute; nothing to contribute, that
is, beyond shouting "Here!" when you hear your name at roll call down at
the weekly bunker meetings. Goaded by your awareness of your
inferiority, you exploit this supremacist ideology because it allows you
to hide your individual shortcomings within the perceived
accomplishments of the white race. You're a white supremacist because
your WHITENESS turns out to be the only estimated asset you have to
promote, and any esteem you have hinges solely on your forsaking your
individuality. By promoting it (your whiteness) -- with its alleged
higher IQ averages and subsequent inventiveness -- you subsume your
identity into the history of the white race, coattailing on the
achievements of others by conscripting them into your white collective.
In reality, you exist on the fringes of humanity, regardless of your
race, on the most primitive margins, and unfit for the future of
humanity. Those are the facts, my little goose-stepper. If you don't
take steps to reclaim your individuality, you're going to die a
gibbering nitwit, as ignorant as the day you were born. Yours will be a
life unlived, undeveloped, mired in a primitive ideology, and unaware of
the splendor of the modern world, the potential for humanity's future. A
willfully sad, sad case indeed.
--
Alric Knebel
http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.html
http://www.ironeyefortress.com
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TOPIC: Homeland Security for your 14 year old girl!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/1c1666ca3ecf5020
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 12 2006 10:45 pm
From: Tim Howard
David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
> So, no comment on points in the content of the post... only attacks on me ??
> That's not much in the way of brevity.
>
That seems to be how Stan does things. See my debate with him earlier
re: France.
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TOPIC: Illegal Hispanic Immigration & rally in LA
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/965a78900803abba
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 12 2006 10:37 pm
From: "RichAsianKid"
drydem wrote:
> RichAsianKid wrote:
> > drydem wrote:
> > > RichAsianKid wrote:
> > > > drydem wrote:
> > > > > Miriam Cohen wrote:
> > > > > > http://www.markfiore.com/animation/phobia.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The above animation fails to identify that (unlike
> > > > > --- the mexican immigrants) the chinese immigrants
> > > > > were effectively locked out of the USA by
> > > > > immigration policy. Today, mexican/hispanic
> > > > > immigrant community in the USA has a more
> > > > > favorable position than a comparable chinese/asian
> > > > > immigrant community in the USA.
> > > >
> > > > Be charitable, will ya? Think of it as de facto affirmative action. :)
> > >
> > > Feigning a change of heart?
> > > Normally you are not one to advocate either charity or affirmative
> > > action.
> >
> > Moi? How can RichAsianKid be so mean??
>
> You are not the charitable type.
> You're too self-serving for that.
>
Charity begins at home. Hmmmm, can it be that charity should end there
too!?
> >
> > Liberalism, like religion, is true to the dumb, false to the wise, and
> > useful to the elite, as I've said before. Sometimes you just have to be
> > practical.....
>
> LOL.
> Whenever you become mentally bankrupt, you always to turn political
> labels.
What I'm saying is that sometimes this 'feigning a change of heart' as
you put it can be useful. Now I sound really really bad.
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TOPIC: $10,000 Reward for Thai Air Force Commander Akkavibul
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/416ef42277b367dc
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 10 2006 11:52 am
From: Anonymous
Reward paid on conviction of Suchart and Yuwadee Akkavibul.
http://thailand.ahrchk.net/mainfile.php/general/29/
http://www.ahrchk.net/ua/mainfile.php/2004/886/
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