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* Illegal Aliens and the English Language - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c6a8148de9173573
* THE PROBLEMS WITH ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN THE US - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b462f77d61ef1898
* Mexican family seeking help from Bush ... - 3 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/71bd14b20e61dd01
* The Day the Mufti Came to Town - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6765cc0b154c7691
* Iran asked help from Turkey to eliminate PKK - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5be3152b906bc6c0
* Colorado: Kids Stage Old Glory Walkout. - 3 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2f1882ac30dc275
* US/IRAQ:BATTLE ON PUBLIC OPINION(GLW/IHT/FWD) - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b13b33d71c2fb395
* Nazis planned to kill Palestine Jews - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/99ca554e0b35f1ff
* BOYCOTT COMPANIES THAT SUPPORT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION - Add to this list - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/905a98f75a37edde
* HOLD REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS FEET TO THE FIRE...... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/4c84b4757296fbc7
* World War III NEWS, Tuesday, April 11th, 2006 AD....Bush's "Nuclear Option" -
1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e7dc73ae8d2b8475
* Smug Alert - San Francisco disappears up its own asshole... - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2fdfb4b42f5ccc02
* Christianity: The Next Saudi Arabian Religion? (Was: Islam: The Next
American Religion?) - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6203a53719edae57
* Muslim Outreach Key for Promoting Understanding, Integration - 2 messages, 2
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c3a21f4438d4d9e
* Physicist says Thermite heat substance felled WTC - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/abf837d229b6d170
* $10,000 Reward for Thai Air Force Commander Akkavibul - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/416ef42277b367dc

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TOPIC: Illegal Aliens and the English Language
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c6a8148de9173573
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 14 2006 4:28 am
From: Steve Hayes

On 13 Apr 2006 12:16:37 -0700, "Joe Gillis" <FloatingInThePool@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/04/illeagal_immigration_and_the_e.html
>
>Illegal Aliens and the English Language
>
>April 13, 2006
>
>In the fierce debate over illegal immigration, the particular terms
>used by those who argue our porous borders are not a serious problem
>can tell us a lot.

I'm not sure what your point is, but around here illegal aliens from Zimbabwe
can speak, read and write English a lot better than most native South
Africans.

--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 8:52 pm
From: "Solitary Sunshine"

Steve Hayes wrote:
> On 13 Apr 2006 12:16:37 -0700, "Joe Gillis" <FloatingInThePool@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/04/illeagal_immigration_and_the_e.html
> >
> >Illegal Aliens and the English Language
> >
> >April 13, 2006
> >
> >In the fierce debate over illegal immigration, the particular terms
> >used by those who argue our porous borders are not a serious problem
> >can tell us a lot.
>
> I'm not sure what your point is, but around here illegal aliens from Zimbabwe
> can speak, read and write English a lot better than most native South
> Africans.

Well, that's just it. It's only SPANISH-SPEAKING illegals who don't
(and refuse!) speak English. People coming from other foreign countries
either learn before they get here or they learn very soon after they
get here. Only Spanish-speaking immigrants and aliens give a big "fuck
you" to Americans by refusing to speak english. Other foreigners by and
large do not act this way.

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TOPIC: THE PROBLEMS WITH ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS IN THE US
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b462f77d61ef1898
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 7:28 pm
From: Scott en Aztlán

On 13 Apr 2006 09:43:12 -0700, rzorto90@yahoo.com wrote:

>
>Scott en Aztlán wrote:
>
>>
>> Easy for you to say - aren't you a Europeon? AFAIK, millions of French
>> aren't trying to sneak into Great Britain across her southern
>> border...
>
>It's interesting to do the math when you see the millions on the
>streets of America. You can practically estimate the number of ILLEGALS
>have successfully sneaked across your Southern border. I saw on TV many
>flied Mexcican flags in their protestes. What does it mean?

It means these parasites don't give a shit about America - they are
simply here to take whetever they can from us and send it all back to
Mexico via Western Union. Of course, if they can swing it, some would
like nothing better than to "retake" the southwestern US (the region
they call "Aztlán") and make it all part of Mexico.

>Looks like you Yanks have a serious problem to deal with, beside the
>trillion-dollar deficit, the Iraq mess, and the strange political
>climate that could threaten the basic human rights and individual
>freedom right there in your homeland. Perhaps I should go out and buy
>some land here in case a massive emigration or exodus started from the
>US. :-)

As fucked up as things are, the US is still the greatest country the
world has ever seen. Only fools like Alec Baldwin would ever leave it.
;)
--
Official Member of the Rebate Rage Club

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TOPIC: Mexican family seeking help from Bush ...
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/71bd14b20e61dd01
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 7:29 pm
From: "JFK"

Mr. President I'm headed to Mexico

Dear President Bush:

I'm about to plan a little trip with my family and extended family, and
I would like to ask you to assist me. I'm going to walk across the
border from the U.S. into Mexico, and I need to make a few
arrangements. I know you can help with this.

I plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration
quotas and laws. I'm sure they handle those things the same way you do
here.

So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Vicente Fox, that I'm
on my way over? Please let him know that I will be expecting the
following:

1. Free medical care for my entire family.

2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might
need, whether I use them or not.

3. All government forms need to be printed in English.

4. I want my kids to be taught by English-speaking teachers.

5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.

6. I want my kids to see the American flag flying on the top of the
flag pole at their school with the Mexican flag flying lower down.

7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and
lunch.

8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy
access to government services.

9. I do not plan to have any car insurance, and I won't make any
effort to learn local traffic laws.

10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo
from Pres. Fox to leave me alone, please be sure that all police
officers speak English.

11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put flag decals on
my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want
any complaints or negative comments from the locals.

12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes,
and don't enforce any labor laws or tax laws.

13. Please tell all the people in the country to be extremely nice
and never say a critical word about me, or about the strain I might
place on the economy.

I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things
for all the people who come to the U.S. from Mexico. I am sure that
Pres. Fox won't mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely.

However, if he gives you any trouble, just invite him to go quail
hunting with your VP

Thank you so much for your kind help.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 7:32 pm
From: "JFK"

Sorry I meant American family seeking help from Bush ...

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 8:18 pm
From: "JFK"

So here is my solution and compromise on the illigals (Mainly
Mexicans)....

1 - Secure the border with Mexico. For instance put a wide mile or two
of landmines to secure it really good and be cost efficient.

2- Give every one of these illegal immigrants (Mainly Mexicans)
regardless of how long
they have been here a working visa forever. They can work, file taxes,
have family, buy homes, leave US and come back, but they can never EVER
become US citizens. (By the way, if they commit crime they leave US for
good).

3- Their children can only get green cards, but can't become citizens
and vote unless through naturalization at the age of 35 (Passing a much
harder tests on US history, English and background check)

4- Only their grand children can become citizen at birth with full
rights, since have most likly learned the language, respect the culture
and truly Americanized by then.

5- Moving forward the congress should have Amnesty only every 25 years
and Mexican Nationals should NOT be able to EVER quilfied for it ....

Now that is a compromise and makes everyone happy !!!

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TOPIC: The Day the Mufti Came to Town
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6765cc0b154c7691
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 7:30 pm
From: "Gary Rumain"

Who let this muzzie asshole into our country? Arrest him and send him
to GITMO

DoD wrote:
> "Death to America" can be heard loud and clear throughout the streets of
> Tehran. It can also be frequently heard out of the mouth of one Ikrima Sa'
> id Sabri, the Grand Mufti of the Al-Aqsa Mosque located in Jerusalem.
> Recently, Sabri had the opportunity to visit the land that he hates so much.
> But why would he want to, and why would we let him?
>
> Sabri is the sixth man to hold the title of Mufti of Jerusalem, having been
> appointed to the position by Yasser Arafat in October of 1994. He is the
> considered the highest official of religious law in the area.
>
> The first "Grand Mufti" of Jerusalem (and third Mufti) was Haj Amin
> Al-Husseini. In 1921, at the time of his appointment, Amin Al-Husseini had
> been considered a violent extremist. Later, he would be declared a war
> criminal in Nuremburg for his actions with regard to the Nazis. In his
> memoirs, he wrote, "Our fundamental condition for cooperating with Germany
> was a free hand to eradicate every last Jew from Palestine and the Arab
> world. I asked Hitler for an explicit undertaking to allow us to solve the
> Jewish problem in a manner befitting our national and racial aspirations and
> according to the scientific methods innovated by Germany in the handling of
> its Jews. The answer I got was: 'The Jews are yours.'"
>
> Like Amin Al-Husseini, Ikrima Sa'id Sabri's hatred of Jews is prolific.
> About them, he has stated, "I enter the mosque of Al-Aqsa with my head up
> and at the same time I am filled with rage toward the Jews. I have never
> greeted a Jew when I came near one. I never will. They cannot even dream
> that I will. The Jews do not dare to bother me, because they are the most
> cowardly creatures Allah has ever created..."
>
> Sabri's contempt is not just limited to Jews, though. He also has vitriolic
> feelings towards the United States. On September 12, 1997, in a sermon he
> delivered, Sabri stated, "Oh Allah, destroy America, her agents and her
> allies! Cast them into their own traps, and cover the White House with
> black!" And less than a month before 9/11, on August 24, 2001, he stated,
> "Allah, destroy the U.S., its helpers and its agents. Allah, destroy
> Britain, its helpers and its agents. Allah, prepare those who will unite the
> Muslims and march in the steps of Saladin. Allah, we ask you for forgiveness
> before death, and mercy and forgiveness after death. Allah, grant victory to
> Islam and the Muslims..."
>
> With his violent posture towards America, one would imagine that Sabri would
> want to stay as far from our shores as humanly possible. But that is just
> not the case. Sabri sightings have occurred in the United States, as
> recently as last month.
>
> On March 4, 2006, Muslims Intent on Learning and Activism (MILA) sponsored
> 'An Afternoon with Shaikh Ekrima Sabry.' The event, which was held at the
> Colorodo Muslim Society (a.k.a. Masjid Abu Bakr), drew a response from the
> Anti-Defamation League (ADL). Bruce DeBoskey, the Regional Director of the
> ADL's Mountain States Region, in citing Sabri's support for such things as
> suicide bombings, stated, "This is a man who has a history of spewing
> vicious anti-American and anti-Semitic rhetoric. We would think the Colorado
> Muslim community would seek to distance themselves from this man's hateful
> rhetoric."
>
> However, the Colorado Muslim Society has a history of anti-Jewish sentiment.
> In September of 2001, shortly after the 9/11 attacks, the mosque's spiritual
> leader, Ahmad Nabhan, in an interview with the Rocky Mountain News, referred
> to Israel as "the first enemy."
>
> Colorado was not the only stop in the Sabri U.S. tour. In fact, he spent
> time in at least six other states - one of which was Louisiana. On March 7,
> 2006, Sabri was the guest speaker at the American Legion Hall, located next
> door to the future home of the new Islamic Center of Baton Rouge (ICBR). A
> large and colorful flyer for the event is found on ICBR's website. ICBR's
> new center was a major subject in the case against KindHearts, an Islamic
> "charity" recently shut down by the United States government for financing
> terrorism abroad.
>
> In October of 2003, $500,000 was raised at ICBR during a KindHearts
> fundraiser for the new center. Yet, according to the Treasury Department,
> only a small part of the money went towards the building of a new Baton
> Rouge mosque; the vast majority of it went to Hamas. In addition, in August
> of 2005, ICBR acted as the Command Center for KindHearts' 'Hurricane Katrina
> Emergency Relief.'
>
> The sponsor for Sabri's Baton Rouge speech, as stated on the ICBR flyer, was
> the Palestinian American Congress (PAC), the American arm of the Palestinian
> National Authority. [The contact on the flyer for the event is PAC and ICBR
> dual board member, Emad Nofal.] In the past, the PAC has referred to Yasser
> Arafat as a "national hero;" has celebrated the anniversary of the violent
> Palestinian Intifada; has condemned the Israeli executions of Hamas
> terrorist leaders Sheikh Ahmed Yassin and Abdel Aziz Rantisi; and has
> commemorated "Al-Nakbah" (The Catastrophe), the severely offensive Arabic
> expression for the creation of the state of Israel. [On April 29th, at its
> 7th Annual Convention, the PAC will continue its hatefest with a keynote
> speech by newly appointed Palestinian Ambassador to the U.S., Afif Safieh,
> who has described the Intifada as "our peace strategy" and has labeled
> Capitol Hill "Israeli-occupied territory."]
>
> Grand Mufti Sabri has traveled to the U.S. previously. In July of 2003, he
> showed up to endorse the building of the Salah Tawfik Elementary School
> (STEMS), in Sunrise, Florida. In a photo that was found on the school's
> site, Sabri is pictured holding the plans to the school, along with and next
> to Zulfiqar Ali Shah, who was, at the time, Principal of the School of
> Islamic Studies of Broward (which is incorporated under the same address as
> STEMS' location). In addition to his connection to the school, Shah is the
> former President (Ameer) of the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA), the
> American arm of the Muslim Brotherhood in Pakistan (Jamaat-e-Islami), and
> the South Asia Director for KindHearts.
>
> For Sabri to be near a children's school is a major problem. In an October
> 2000 interview with Egypt's weekly Al-Ahram Al-Arabi, Sabri discussed his
> fascination with child martyrdom. He stated, "There is no doubt that a
> child [martyr] suggests that the new generation will carry on the mission
> with determination. The younger the martyr - the greater and the more I
> respect him. They [mothers of martyrs] willingly sacrifice their offspring
> for the sake of freedom. It is a great display of the power of belief. The
> mother is participating in the great reward of the Jihad to liberate
> Al-Aqsa."
>
> By allowing sadistic hatemongers, such as Ikrima Sabri, into the country,
> the United States sends a mixed message to the world. It says that, while
> the nation is engaged in a far-reaching war on terror, it will tolerate
> those that spread the violent ideologies which ignite the enemy. This
> includes the terrorist support network within our borders. In the Denver
> event alone, over 400 people attended, standing room only.
>
> Freedom of Speech is not a subject with infinite boundaries; it has its
> limits. One of those limits is screaming "fire" in a crowded theatre.
> Certainly, another of those limits should be shouting "jihad" in a crowded
> mosque. What a great - but foolish - country is America that she can allow
> a monster, who has cursed and declared war on her and her friends around the
> globe, to walk upon her shores.
> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=22017

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TOPIC: Iran asked help from Turkey to eliminate PKK
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5be3152b906bc6c0
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 14 2006 4:51 am
From: "BabaTurk" <520001085531-0001@t-online.de>

<vkarlamov@yahoo.com> wrote
> Ali Asker wrote:
> >
> > Iran asked help from Turkey to eliminate PKK
> >
> PKK? That's code word for "Kurds", ain't it?

It is the outlawed marxist kurdish terrorist organization.

> Is Iran interested in "eliminating" only Kurds? How about Armenians?
> In addtiton to a recent genocide against Kurds, committed as part of
> Turkey's NATO membership, Turkey can also share its experience in their
> Holocaust against 2 million Armenians earlier in the 20th century.

And you really believe such tales? It is cheap Armenian Propaganda
without scientific basis. A genocide was done by the Armenians themselves
as they killed more than 4 times more other nationalities while they
were cleansing the region for their "Greater Armenia" dreams. They failed.
And today they are helding part of Azerbaycan occupied.
They are not that peaceful people you wrongly might think of them.
FYI: today in Armenia not a single other minority like Turks or Moslem is living!
How do you think have they did it?...

And, weren't you talking of 1 million in the past?... :-)

> Speaking of holocausts, any news on when exactly Iran plans to drop its
> first a-bomb on you-know-whom?

t-21d and counting... :-)

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TOPIC: Colorado: Kids Stage Old Glory Walkout.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2f1882ac30dc275
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 14 2006 2:48 am
From: AlleyCat

In article <123qb18f5i53t90@corp.supernews.com>, alric@[cableone.net]
says...
> Oh, oh. ANOTHER genius speaks up. Well, dipshit, I'm not IN a racist
> newsgroup where I'm seeing this post. Why don't you save up your the
> money you spend on dues and buy yourself a clue. Now here you are,
> jumping into this thread and this is what you've got. Let me tell you,
> a comment displaying that much acumen just reaffirms my beliefs about
> racists. Good job, Dicky. Bravo! We all like you more for it.

My apologies to those stupid fucking morons that don't have the
knowledge to use their rules to take out unwanted newsgroup so they
don't have to suffer we racists... or is it us racists? Anyway... yes...
I DID call myself a racist. EVERYONE is racist. Especially blacks and
Democrats. Ever heard of a modern day "White" Student Union? White
Congressional Caucus? Get a fucking clue, moron... racists will ALWAYS
exist, on all "sides of the aisle". You must be a racist too... why else
would you be reading what's in "your" newsgroup? Just curious to see
what real people that are fed up with what's going on in America, are
talking about? I don't think so... but then again, this "genius" doesn't
HAVE to think much. He just watches and listens and pipes in when true
morons speak. Jack will concur... I don't get "in here" as much as I
used to, because it gets way too "thick" in here sometimes, and what I
post wouldn't make any difference to the dummies here that post their
liberal nothingness. The ones spouting that liberal crap haven't a clue
to what's going on. They watch CNN and think we live in a Utopian world
and don't understand, through ignorance, why there are people who don't
"like" other kinds of people. Just plain ignorant.

Al

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 14 2006 3:10 am
From: AlleyCat

In article <qqes32d3d6jop4l1moipufg9iho7kltd55@4ax.com>,
lojbab@lojban.org muttered to himself...

> A plural group pulled the trigger? That must have been some gun.
>
> lojbab
>

You know?... someone responded to one of my posts, by saying, "I'd bet
it's low (my IQ), and something you already suspect (that would be
SUSPECTED... so I'M the dumb one?)... Since YOU aren't that smart, you
take pride in the fact that... "

I suspect that you are not as smart as you make yourself out to be. You
ever hear the term, "guilty by association" or "accomplices"?

Whomever pulled the trigger wasn't alone, dumbass. My brother wouldn't
have had any trouble with any single one of them, but they "hunt" in
packs, "Bob".
Please, please give the region of whatever country you are living in,
"Bob". I'd really like to know what your experiences with other peoples
outside of the little "protected" world in which you live and or work.

If anyone really wants to know what it's (TNB) like, ask. I live and
work in the deep, deep South.

Al

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 14 2006 3:16 am
From: AlleyCat

In article <123rldgm72j4i4e@corp.supernews.com>, alric@[cableone.net]
says...
> What's next? "Nanny nanny
> poo poo"? Good job, Billy Bob.
>
>

It's nanny, nanny boo boo, Alice. What an ultra-maroon! - Bugs Bunny
Yeah... that's more my speed. I don't not get what you is sayin'. Me
just not dumb ass. Please, please... get out. Start small. Go to the
door. Next day, go to the street... then corner... someday you might
experience what we be sayin', yo homes.

Al

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TOPIC: US/IRAQ:BATTLE ON PUBLIC OPINION(GLW/IHT/FWD)
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b13b33d71c2fb395
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 14 2006 12:49 pm
From: uneoo@netipr.org

US/IRAQ PUBLIC OPINION BATTLES.

[AddedNote: There's little doubt the American neo-con war party has
gone pre-emptive strike on the anti-war movement.

President Bush told the press on 21/3/06, "the fate of deployed US
forces will have to be decided by future US president". In following
week, Sen. John Kerry (fmr. US Presidential Candidate for 2004) is
noting publicly about the 'garrissoned US troops' in future Iraq.

This is the indication of US neo-con war party's desire to hold-on to
the occupation of Iraq; sending message to anti-war movement they will
have 'no alternative'.

Of course, the 'garrisoned US troops' might have reduce US casualty,
but doen't solve the problem of US illegally occupying Iraq. Whilst
the US anti-war movement is making much headways in influencing public
opinion on the occupation of Iraq, this latest neo-con move is a
futile attempt to deter and discourage anti-war movement.

Keep up your good works our American anti-war friends. You are winning
the battle and we, the citizens of planet earth, have whole heartedly
support you.

-- U Ne Oo, Adelaide, Australia.]

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GREENLEFT WEEKLY AUSTRALIA, 12 APR 2006
www.greenleft.org.au

IRAQ: US BUILDING SIX 'ENDURING' BASES

Doug Lorimer

US officials claim that they will withdraw their occupation troops
from Iraq as soon as the US-recruited and trained Iraqi army is
capable of fighting and defeating the anti-occupation resistance
movement. But the Pentagon is spending millions of dollars on creating
six 'enduring' bases in Iraq.

The April 3 Christian Science Monitor reported that the Pentagon 'has
already spent [US]$1 billion or more' on its bases in Iraq,
'outfitting some with underground bunkers and other characteristics of
long-term bases'.

The Monitor noted that when US President George Bush 'told the press
on March 21 it will be decided by 'future presidents and future
governments of Iraq' when there will be no American forces in Iraq,
his words intensified speculation that several of the approximately 75
bases in Iraq will remain occupied by US forces for an extended
period.

The April 2 British Independent daily reported that it had been told
by Major Joseph Breasseale, a senior spokesperson for the US-led
coalition forces headquarters in Iraq, that the 'current plan is to
reduce the coalition footprint into six consolidation bases -- four of
which are US'. Breasseale said that Britain was the most likely
candidate to use the other two 'consolidated' bases.

The Independent went on to report: 'The Pentagon says it has already
reduced the number of US bases from 110 a year ago to a current total
of around 75. But at the same time it is expanding a number of vast,
highly defended bases, some in the desert away from large population
areas. More than $280m (£160m) has already been spent on building
up Al Asad air base, Balad air base, Camp Taji and Tallil air base,
and the Bush administration has this year requested another $175m to
enlarge them. These bases, which currently house more than 55,000
troops, have their own bus routes, pizza restaurants and supermarkets.

A University of Maryland Program on International Policy Attitudes
(PIPA) poll conducted March 1-6 found that 71% of US residents are
opposed to the US having permanent military bases in Iraq. Comparing
results of this US poll with one taken in Iraq in January, PIPA
reported that 'Americans and Iraqis have a striking level of agreement
in their perception that the US plans to keep US troops in Iraq
permanently and in their opposition to this idea'.

Zoltan Grossman, a geographer at Evergreen State College in
Washington, told the April 2 Independent: 'After every US military
intervention since 1990 the Pentagon has left behind clusters of new
bases in areas where it never before had a foothold. The new string of
bases stretch from Kosovo and adjacent Balkan states, to Iraq and
other Persian Gulf states, into Afghanistan and other central Asian
states ... The only two obstacles to a geographically contiguous US
sphere of influence are Iran and Syria.'

The Independent concluded its report by observing that US government
officials 'repeatedly say the timetable [for withdrawal of US troops]
is dependent upon success in training Iraqi forces. Progress in this
area has been slow; in February the Pentagon admitted the only Iraqi
battalion judged capable of fighting without US support had been
downgraded, requiring it to fight with American troops.

The March 29 London Financial Times provided an example of how
unreliable the puppet Iraqi army is. Citing comments from members of
this army deployed with US troops in the Euphrates Valley town of Hit,
the FT reported: 'One weary veteran says two-thirds of his unit have
gone absent without leave since it arrived in this western Iraqi town
in September -- he too would have left if there were any jobs at home
and his meagre pay were not the only way to support his family. 'There
is no sense of respect in this army, adds a young sergeant, and the
recruits piled into dilapidated bunk beds nod approval.

'No one enlisted out of nationalism or principles. They signed up for
the money', says one young officer ...

'One Iraqi officer says local leaders have suggested US and Iraqi
forces withdraw and the community be allowed to police itself -- a
strategy he endorses.

'Barring that, he says, the only way a conventional military force can
handle insurgents is by doing what the Iraqi military has done in the
past -- inflict wholesale collective punishment on the communities
that shelter them.'

FromGreen Left Weekly, April 12, 2006.
Visit the Green Left Weekly home page.

----
The International Herald Tribune - Apr 6, 2006
http://www.iht.com/bin/print_ipub.php?
file=/articles/2006/04/05/opinion/edkerry.php

Op Ed:

Two deadlines and an exit

by John F. Kerry
The New York Times

WASHINGTON--We are now in the third war in Iraq in as many years. The
first was against Saddam Hussein and his supposed weapons of mass
destruction. The second was against terrorists whom, the
administration said, it was better to fight over there than here. Now
we find our troops in the middle of an escalating civil war.

Half of the service members listed on the Vietnam Memorial Wall died
after America's leaders knew our strategy would not work. It was
immoral then and it would be immoral now to engage in the same
delusion. We want democracy in Iraq, but Iraqis must want it as much
as we do. Our valiant soldiers can't bring democracy to Iraq if Iraq's
leaders are unwilling themselves to make the compromises that
democracy requires.

As our generals have said, the war cannot be won militarily. It must
be won politically. No American soldier should be sacrificed because
Iraqi politicians refuse to resolve their ethnic and political
differences.

So far, Iraqi leaders have responded only to deadlines - a deadline to
transfer authority to a provisional government, and a deadline to hold
three elections. Now we must set another deadline to extricate our
troops and get Iraq up on its own two feet.

Iraqi politicians should be told that they have until May 15 to put
together an effective unity government or we will immediately withdraw
our military. If Iraqis aren't willing to build a unity government in
the five months since the election, they're probably not willing to
build one at all. The civil war will only get worse, and we will have
no choice anyway but to leave.

If Iraq's leaders succeed in putting together a government, then we
must agree on another deadline: a schedule for withdrawing American
combat forces by year's end. Doing so will empower the new Iraqi
leadership, put Iraqis in the position of running their own country
and undermine support for the insurgency, which is fueled in large
measure by the majority of Iraqis who want us to leave their
country. Only troops essential to finishing the job of training Iraqi
forces should remain.

For this transition to work, we must finally begin to engage in
genuine diplomacy. We must immediately bring the leaders of the Iraqi
factions together at a Dayton accords-like summit meeting. In a
neutral setting, Iraqis, working with our allies, the Arab League and
the United Nations, would be compelled to reach a political agreement
that includes security guarantees, the dismantling of the militias and
shared goals for reconstruction.

To increase the pressure on Iraq's leaders, we must redeploy American
forces to garrisoned status. Troops should be used for security
backup, training and emergency response; we should leave routine
patrols to Iraqi forces. Special operations against Al Qaeda and
other foreign terrorists in Iraq should be initiated only on hard
intelligence leads.

We will defeat Al Qaeda faster when we stop serving as its best
recruitment tool. Iraqis ultimately will not tolerate foreign
jihadists on their soil, and the United States will be able to
maintain an over- the-horizon troop presence with rapid response
capacity. An exit from Iraq will also strengthen our hand in dealing
with the Iranian nuclear threat and allow us to repair the damage of
repeated deployments, which flag officers believe has strained
military readiness and morale.

For three years now, the administration has told us that terrible
things will happen if we get tough with the Iraqis. In fact, terrible
things are happening now because we haven't gotten tough enough. With
two deadlines, we can change all that. We can put the American
leadership on the side of our soldiers and push the Iraqi leadership
to do what only it can do: Build a democracy.

John F. Kerry, a senator from Massachusetts, was the Democratic
nominee for president in 2004.

2006 The International Herald Tribune
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 10:59 pm
From: Defendario

Theodore Herzl wrote:

> What a load of crap.

It's all the little ZioNazis here have. :-)

Notice how they all snip this fascinating post away, and scurry like
frightened mice from the terrible implications of Herr Eichmann's truth.

Pathetic cowards, these jooz...

;D

> Eichmann was an ally of the Zionists who founded
> the Apartheid Israeli Regime and the ZioNazis even conspired and worked
> with the Nazis to send Jews to the camps. And you support Zionism?
> Amazing.
>
> Here is Eichmann's 1960 interview by LIFE magazine:
>
> I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
> stands 100% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning
> operation, I wanted to set an example for future campaigns elsewhere .
> . .
> In obedience to Himmler's directive I now concentrated on negotiations
> with the Jewish political officials in Budapest . . . Among them Dr.
> Rudolph Kastner, authorized representative of the Zionist Movement.
> This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold lawyer and a
> fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting
> deportation - and even keep order in the collection camps - if I could
> close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young Jews
> emigrate illegally to Palestine. It was a good bargain. For keeping
> order in the camps, the price . . . was not too high for me . . . We
> trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoked
> cigarettes as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
> smoke one aromatic cigarette after another, taking them from a silver
> case and lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish and
> reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself. Dr.
> Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group of
> Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel . . .
>
> As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
> attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
> Zionist leaders . . . I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
> thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
> goal . . . 'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have
> this group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great service by
> helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups
> escape. After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand
> or so Jews . . . That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with
> Kastner
>
> (Quoted in Hecht, ibid., p.260-61)
>
> Only Heinrich Himmler could turn off the liquidation machine. It was in
> 1944, the year of the assassination attempt on Hitler, when
> Reichsführer Himmler took over as commander of the Reserve Army, that
> he authorized me to propose an exchange: one million Jews for 10,000
> winterized trucks with trailers. The World Jewish Organization could
> decide for itself what Jews it wanted to choose. We asked only that
> they get us 10,000 trucks. Thanks to Himmler's directive, I could
> assure them, on my word of honor, that these trucks would be used only
> on the Eastern front. As I said at the time, "When the 10,000
> winterized trucks with trailers are here, then the liquidation machine
> in Auschwitz will be stopped.
> In obedience to Himmler's directive I now concentrated on negotiations
> with the Jewish political officials in Budapest. One man stood out
> among them, Dr. Rudolf Kastner, authorized representative of the
> Zionist movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an
> ice-cold lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the
> Jews from resisting deportation and even keep order in the collection
> camps if I would close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand
> young Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine. It was a good bargain. For
> keeping order in the camps, the price of 15,000 to 20,000 Jews - in the
> end there may have been more - was not too high for me.
>
> Except perhaps for the first few sessions, Kastner never came to me
> fearful of the Gestapo strong man. We negotiated entirely as equals.
> People forget that. We were political opponents trying to arrive at a
> settlement, and we trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me,
> Kastner smoked cigarettes as though he were in a coffeehouse. While we
> talked he would smoke one aromatic cigarette after another, taking them
> from a silver case and lighting them with a little silver lighter. With
> his great polish and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo
> officer himself.
>
> Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
> of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel. But the Arrow Cross, the
> Hungarian fascist party, had grown strong and stubborn. Its inspectors
> permitted no exceptions to the mass deportations. So the Jewish
> officials turned to the German occupation authorities. They realized
> that we were specialists who had learned about Jewish affairs through
> years of practice.
>
> As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
> attitudes in the SS and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
> Zionist leaders who were fighting what might be their last battle. As I
> told Kastner: "We, too, are idealists and we, too, had to sacrifice our
> own blood before we came to power."
>
> I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred-
> thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal. He was not
> interested in old Jews or those who had become assimilated into
> Hungarian society. But he was incredibly persistent in trying to save
> biologically valuable Jewish blood, that is, human material that was
> capable of reproduction and hard work. "You can have the others," he
> would say, "but let me have this group here." And because Kastner
> rendered us a great service by helping keep the deportation camps
> peaceful, I would let his groups escape. After all, I was not concerned
> with small groups of a thousand or so Jews.
>
> At the same time Kastner was bargaining with another SS of ficial a
> Colonel Kurt Becker. Becher was bartering Jews for foreign exchange and
> goods on direct orders from Himmler. A crafty operator, Becher had come
> to Hungary originally to salvage a stud farm which the SS wanted. He
> soon wormed his way into dealings with the Jews. In a way,
> Reichsführer Himmler was Becher's captive. Becher showed me once a
> gold necklace he was taking to our chief, a gift for a little lady by
> whom Himmler had a child. There were other agencies, German and
> Hungarian, which tapped Kastner for foreign exchange in return for
> Jews, but I held aloof from money affairs and left the material
> transactions to Becher.
>
> Men under Becher's command guarded a special group of 700 Jews whom
> Kastner had requested from a list. They were mostly young people,
> although the group also included Kastner's entire family. I did not
> care if Kastner took his relatives along. he could take them whereever
> he wanted to.
>
> Life, Vol. 49, No. 23, December 5, 1960, p. 146
>
>
> To a Jew this role of the Jewish leaders in the destruction of their
> own people is undoubtedly the darkest chapter of the whole dark story.
> It had been known about before, but it has now been exposed for the
> first time in all its pathetic and sordid detail by Raul Hilberg, whose
> standard work The Destruction of the European Jews I mentioned before.
> In the matter of cooperation, there was no distinction between the
> highly assimilated Jewish communities of Central and Western Europe and
> the Yiddish-speaking masses of the East. In Amsterdam as in Warsaw, in
> Berlin as in Budapest, Jewish officials could be trusted to compile the
> lists of persons and of their property, to secure money from the
> deportees to defray the expenses of their deportation and
> extermination, to keep track of vacated apartments, to supply police
> forces to help seize Jews and get them on trains, until, as a last
> gesture, they handed over the assets of the Jewish community in good
> order for final confiscation. They distributed the Yellow Star badges,
> and sometimes, as in Warsaw, 'the sale of the armbands of cloth and
> fancy plastic armbands which were washable'. In the Nazi-inspired, but
> not Nazi-dictated, manifestos they issued, we still can sense how they
> enjoyed their new power -
> http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/arendt.htm
>
>

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 9:06 pm
From: Miriam Cohen

DoD wrote:
> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:Ayy%f.827$4O2.57@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
>
>>"Ariadne" <ariadne.mac@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1144955953.475066.217170@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>DoD wrote:
>>>
>>>>STUTTGART, Germany (Agence France-Presse) -- The Nazis developed plans
>
> to
>
>>>>slaughter half a million Jews who fled to Palestine during the
>
> Holocaust,
>
>>>>according to a new study presented yesterday.
>>>> A research team from Stuttgart University in southern Germany found
>>>>evidence that the Nazi occupiers in Athens established a military unit
>>>>ready
>>>>to wipe out the Jews who had escaped the systematic genocide in Europe.
>>>> The troops were under the command of German Field Marshal Erwin
>>>>Rommel's
>>>>Afrikakorps during World War II.
>>>> Klaus-Michael Mallmann and Martin Cueppers of Stuttgart University
>>>>based
>>>>their research on three years' study of German wartime records, notably
>>>>from
>>>>the Foreign Ministry and the military archive in the western city of
>>>>Freiburg.
>>>> The historians said in their new book, "Germans, Jews, Genocide --
>>>>The
>>>>Holocaust as History and Present," that only Rommel's defeat in 1942 in
>>>>Egypt by the British prevented the spread of the Holocaust to
>
> Palestine.
>
>>>> If Rommel's army had defeated his enemy, General Field Marshal
>>>>Bernard
>>>>Montgomery's troops and made it to Palestine, the unit would have
>>>>received
>>>>orders to slay all 500,000 Jews there.
>>>> The units were to work like the task forces that exterminated
>>>>hundreds
>>>>of thousands of Jews in Eastern Europe.
>>>> The authors said the Nazis were counting on the Palestinians to
>>>>assist
>>>>in the plan because of their traditionally good ties with the Germans.
>>>> "The grand mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, was the most
>>>>important collaborator with the Nazis on the Arab side and an
>>>>uncompromising
>>>>anti-Semite," they said.
>>>> "He showed what a decisive role hatred of Jews played in the
>
> project
>
>>>>to
>>>>promote German-Arab understanding."
>>>> They said that Sheik al-Husseini held several meetings with Adolf
>>>>Eichmann, the man who organized the logistics of the Holocaust for the
>>>>Nazis.
>>>> "The history of the Middle East would have been completely
>
> different
>
>>>>and
>>>>a Jewish state would never have been founded if the plan by the Germans
>>>>and
>>>>Arabs had been implemented," Mr. Mallmann said.
>>>> An estimated 6 million European Jews were killed under the Nazis'
>>>>"Final
>>>>Solution."
>>>> http://www.washingtontimes.com/world/20060412-093359-1169r.htm
>>
>>What a bunch of crap! jews were Hitler's least important concern. He
>
> wanted
>
>>them out of germany, that is all. And I cannot blame him seeing how jews
>>have caused so many conflicts in the past 50 years!
>>
>>BTW, how would this "unit" in Athens get aceoss the mediteranian to
>>Palestine, which was teeming with hundreds of thousands of Allied troops?
>>Swim?
>
>
> You tell us, you were a nazi back then.

What do you mean "back then"?? He's *STILL* a nazi

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 9:08 pm
From: Miriam Cohen

DoD wrote:
> "Theodore Herzl" <AntiZioNazi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1144961502.398271.125990@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>
>>What a load of crap.
>
>
> What you post? Yes, I would agree that you post crap.

Everyone with double digit IQs agree that his posts are crap. :)

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TOPIC: BOYCOTT COMPANIES THAT SUPPORT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION - Add to this list
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 14 2006 3:02 am
From: "Tx Max King"

"Scotius" wrote in message:

> On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 05:30:05 GMT, "Tx Max King" <txmxking@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I am ready to boycott corporations that support illegal immigration
amnesty.
>
> That's easy then. All you have to do is fine out who was at
> the party where Bush called the attendees his "base", and then find
> out which companies they own/run. That shouldn't be too difficult.
> Plus, add Fox "news".

The 'Bushy' is the 'Tushy' whine doesn't work on me, Scotty.
I am still holding Willy's cum wet illegal Cuban cigar firmly between
my thumb and forefinger. It's my personal reminder of the strong moral
values
Democrats represent.

If you are one of those 'Bush is the illegitimate father of all my
problems'
type, then you are the problem. I have to keep reminding all of my
liberal minded friends in high places that if you reduce the problems
to blaming Democrats or Republicans, then you are missing the issues
and you will never resolve anything. Our problems are WAY beyond
Democrat or Republican. Concentrate on the issues and you will find
solutions. Mimimize the serious issues as 'it's the Republicans' or
'it's the Democrats' and you will only create divisiveness and conflict
and you will get nowhere. Generalizing an issue based on party
affilliation is as racist as blaming problems on a race, creed or gender.

It don't fly 'cause it ain't got no wings.

Independent and proud of it.

>
> >If you know of any corporations or large companies that are openly
> >supporting illegal immigration amnesty by their actions, please list them
in
> >this thread.
> >Let's get the word out and let these lawbreakers that are profitting from
> >you with their illegal actions, know that we as citizens and consumers
mean
> >BUSINESS.
> >I personally do not want to spend my hard earned dollar on corporations
that
> >are cheating at the expense of hard working, tax paying Americans.
> >
>

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TOPIC: HOLD REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS FEET TO THE FIRE......
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 14 2006 3:33 am
From: "Tx Max King"

> REMEMBER THE ALAMO

That's exactly what I was thinking today. As a Texas
Independent, it dawned on me that we had already fought
that battle. We bled, our heroes died and we won.
And now the Mexican government wants Independent
Texans to fight again.

Be as it may, we will. I've met many of the offspring
of the heroes of the Alamo. I know for a fact they are
willing to fight again. And just like the first time, our
fighting force will include fighters from many different
parts of the country, including Texas Hispanics that
stand up for Texas against another attempt at Mexicans
to invade our country.

It's much like the Middle East. Thousands of Americans
died in Europe, the Middle East and North Africa
during World War I and World War II. We won both
wars, yet they continue to want to spill our proud blood
there. Respect America. Remember 9-11.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 11:22 pm
From: "K Miller"

No one (except GB himself) said that he was in GOD's favour.

But he is most definitely doing GOD's work. [After all, who's to say
that GOD is not the real Puppet Master behind this whole thing
???] - Little bit of "Cleansing Of The Souls" (and the population
Over-Flow) so to speak.

And if nothing else, atleast it helps on solving the Over Population
problem !!!

:-o

"(Arcanus - UOSanctuary.com)" <LegeJ@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:bqf%f.56$4O2.0@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
> I'm certain that kid had favor in GODs eyes. This puppet we have
in charge
> of our lives now, I doubt is even close...
>
> I read two news articles. One in the beginning of this whole war
ragime.
> He mentioned that GOD told him to take on this fight to get rid of
terror in
> the world. To make the world a better place for all. Somehow he
was
> supposed to be the savior for all of the world.
>
> Then recently I read the second article where a reporter asked him
if he
> thought that he ever thought that he would be bringing about the
fortold end
> of the world. He responded that he never even thought of it that
way, that
> all he thought he was doing was getting rid of terrorist. No more
mention
> of GOD whatsoever. To me, this monkey used GOD as a tool to win
the people
> over and when he knew he had us, hook line and sinker, he dropped
the whole
> GOD role and took on the real persona as the man of blood.
>
> It's a sad world when you look out your back door and all you see
is the
> dead of winter comming fast and eternal.
>
>
> "K Miller" <miller#k@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:wt0%f.45$L.5220@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > Someone had to 'become' the bringer of WAR.
> >
> > GOD told that TRUMPET kid to blow his horn to bring down the
walls
> > of Jericho.
> >
> > Imagine where the world would be NOW, if he hadn't blown that
HORN
> > ???
> >
> > :- |
> >
> >
> >
> > "(Arcanus - UOSanctuary.com)" <LegeJ@bellsouth.net> wrote in
message
> > news:WBV_f.3521$zh1.2063@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> >> Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought this was why we voted
this
> > idiot in
> >> office all along. I'm suprised so many "Christians" voted for
him
> > when it
> >> was obvious to the "little people" that this is what was up his
> > sleeve the
> >> whole time. He said that GOD told him to start this war, but
yet
> > he dont
> >> even think about the armageddon he's begun.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "K Miller" <miller#k@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> >> news:5eF_f.2964$%U2.197974@news20.bellglobal.com...
> >> > Simple 'Smoke Screening'.
> >> >
> >> > Every Postman knows; "Its the Dog with NO BARK", that is the
one
> >> > that should be FEARED the MOST !!!
> >> >
> >> > Food For Thought [ or should I say : "Postal Snacks for the
low
> >> > lying Doberman." ] ???
> >> >
> >> > :-)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "The Last 2444 DaysT ?" <stargatedecember2012@yahoo.ca> wrote
in
> >> > message
> >> > news:1144723227.893796.101350@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >> >>From the Global Research website:
> >> >
> >> >
> >
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=%20PE20060410&articleId=2247
> >> >
> >> > Bush's "Nuclear Option"
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > by Evan Augustine Peterson III
> >> >
> >> > April 10, 2006
> >> > GlobalResearch.ca
> >> >
> >> > Just in case you've gotten the impression that the Bush
> >> > administration
> >> > isn't seriously considering a military strike against Iran
using
> >> > both
> >> > conventional and nuclear weapons, see the Amercan Progress
> > Action
> >> > Fund's 4-10-06 Progress Report, "The Nuclear Option." You
can
> > read
> >> > it
> >> > below or at:
> >> >
> >
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/apps/nl/newsletter2.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=917053
> >> >
> >> > On the brighter side, there are limits to the U.S. military's
> >> > loyalty
> >> > to Mr. Bush, and high-ranking American military officers have
> > stated
> >> > that they are adamantly opposed to the use of bunker-buster
> > tactical
> >> > nuclear weapons (i.e., so-called "mini-nukes"). Moreover,
> > British
> >> > Foreign Secretary Jack Straw has publicly stated that the
idea
> > of a
> >> > nuclear strike against Iran is "completely nuts."
> >> >
> >> > Additionally, the Bush administration has only presented
> > alarmist
> >> > rhetoric, whereas they haven't presented any credible
evidence.
> >> > Hence,
> >> > American politicians and journalists should be openly
> > questioning
> >> > the
> >> > reliability of the intelligence behind the Bushites'
allegations
> >> > that:
> >> > (1) a "nuclear crisis" exists vis-à-vis Iran; (b) Tehran is
> > actively
> >> > seeking a "nuclear weapons program"; and (c) Iran is somehow
> > capable
> >> > of
> >> > "posing an imminent threat" to the USA and the UK with its
> >> > non-existent
> >> > phantom nukes.
> >> >
> >> > Finally, we should be deeply skeptical about the legitimacy
of
> > the
> >> > Bush
> >> > administration's casus belli, because: (a) we know that the
> >> > war-profiteering neocons prefer their illegal "Bush Doctrine
of
> >> > Preemptive War" to the civilized pursuit of diplomatic and
> > juridical
> >> > solutions; (b) we have every reason to believe that a
> > conventional
> >> > aerial strike against Iran would quickly escalate into a
> > regional
> >> > war
> >> > with global terrorist blowback; and (c) their plan for a
nuclear
> >> > strike
> >> > against Iran is "completely nuts," insofar as it would be
both a
> >> > monstrous war crime and a humanitarian disaster of the first
> >> > magnitude.
> >> >
> >> > Evan Augustine Peterson III, J.D.is Executive Director
American
> >> > Center
> >> > for International Law ("ACIL")
> >> >
> >>
>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
-
> > --
> >> > ------------
> >> >
> >> > IRAN
> >> >
> >> > The Nuclear Option
> >> >
> >> > Amercan Progress Action Fund
> >> >
> >> > Senior Bush administration officials are considering plans
for a
> >> > massive bombing campaign in Iran to prevent the country from
> >> > developing
> >> > nuclear weapons, according to several recent accounts,
including
> > two
> >> > this weekend by the Washington Post and Pulitzer
Prize-winning
> >> > journalist Seymour Hersh. Current U.S. plans also call for
the
> > use
> >> > of
> >> > nuclear weapons to destroy suspected underground weapons
> > facilities,
> >> > which would mark the first use of such weapons in 61 years.
> > Former
> >> > intelligence officials quoted by Hersh describe the planning
as
> >> > "enormous," "hectic" and "operational," though U.S. officials
> > sought
> >> > yesterday to play down the activities as "normal defense and
> >> > intelligence planning." The truth is, there is no good
military
> >> > solution to the Iranian nuclear impasse. And while there are
> >> > military
> >> > options, each carries with it grave risks that threaten to
> > undermine
> >> > U.S. national security interests at home and abroad while
> > actually
> >> > speeding up Iran's development of nuclear weapons.
> >> >
> >> > HIGH-RANKING MILITARY OFFICIALS THREATENING TO RESIGN OVER
NUKE
> >> > PLANS:
> >> > "There are very strong sentiments within the military against
> >> > brandishing nuclear weapons against other countries," says
one
> >> > former
> >> > Pentagon adviser. Indeed, Hersh writes, the matter "may soon
> > reach a
> >> > decisive point," because the Joint Chiefs of Staff -- a panel
of
> > the
> >> > highest-ranking military officials from each major branch of
the
> >> > U.S.
> >> > armed services -- "had agreed to give President Bush a formal
> >> > recommendation stating that they are strongly opposed to
> > considering
> >> > the nuclear option for Iran." Hersh reiterated this point
> > yesterday:
> >> > "One thing about our military, they're very loyal to the
> > president,
> >> > but they're getting to the edge. They're getting to the edge
> > with
> >> > not only Rumsfeld, but with Cheney and the President." (Watch
> > video
> >> > of
> >> > Hersh.) British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw also warned this
> >> > weekend
> >> > against a nuclear strike, calling the idea "completely nuts."
> > "The
> >> > reason why we're opposed to military action is because it's
an
> >> > infinitely worse option and there's no justification for it,"
he
> >> > said.
> >> >
> >> > COSTS OF WAR: IRAN TERROR FORCE 'MAKES AL QAEDA LOOK LIKE
> >> > KINDERGARTEN': A recent Washington Post report noted "a
growing
> >> > consensus that Iran's agents would target civilians in the
> > United
> >> > States, Europe and elsewhere" if attacked; planning for such
a
> >> > response
> >> > "is consuming a lot of time" throughout the U.S. intelligence
> >> > apparatus, one senior official said. "It's a huge issue,"
> > another
> >> > said.
> >> > Former U.S. counterterrorism chief Richard Clarke stated
> > recently
> >> > that
> >> > Iran would be likely to respond to an attack with a
> > three-pronged
> >> > terrorist assault: "terrorism by Hezbollah, which they own
and
> >> > operate
> >> > as a subsidiary; terrorism in Iraq, where they have tens of
> >> > thousands
> >> > of militia under their control; and terrorism by their
special
> >> > forces
> >> > call the Kudz Force, that in the past blew up the American
Air
> > Force
> >> > base at Khobar. All three of these organizations make al
Qaeda
> > look
> >> > like a kindergarten." Clarke concluded, "We've thought about
> >> > military
> >> > options against Iran off and on for the last 20 years and
> > they're
> >> > just not good because you don't know what the end game is."
> >> >
> >> > COSTS OF WAR: AIR STRIKE WOULD 'ALMOST CERTAINLY SPEED UP'
> > IRANIAN
> >> > NUKE
> >> > PROGRAM: A military strike on Iran's nuclear facilities would
> > not
> >> > likely delay the program, but "almost certainly speed it up,"
as
> >> > occurred after the 1981 Israeli preemptive strike on Iraq's
> > nuclear
> >> > facilities. After the Israeli strike, with its nuclear
ambitions
> >> > fully
> >> > exposed, Iraq stepped up its weapons development
dramatically,
> >> > according to Iraqi defector Khadir Hamza. "At the beginning
we
> > had
> >> > approximately 500 people working, which increased to 7,000
> > working
> >> > after the Israeli bombing," he said. According to Carnegie
> > Endowment
> >> > nonproliferation expert Joseph Cirincione, "the bombing set
back
> >> > Israel
> >> > more than Iraq" by further harming its international
reputation
> >> > while
> >> > "making Iraq appear a victim of Israeli aggression." Similar
> >> > dynamics
> >> > are at play in the current impasse with Iran.
> >> >
> >> > COSTS OF WAR: 'WHAT WILL 1.2 BILLION MUSLIMS THINK THE DAY WE
> > BOMB
> >> > IRAN?': A report published in February by the Oxford Research
> > Group
> >> > determined "that attacks on Iranian facilities, most of which
> > are in
> >> > densely populated areas, would be surprise ones, allowing no
> > time
> >> > for
> >> > such evacuations or other precautions," and thus leading to
> > hundreds
> >> > or
> >> > thousands of civilian casualties. Moreover, planners also
> > currently
> >> > debating launching attacks from Iraq or using Iraqi airspace,
> > which
> >> > could "exacerbate the political cost in the Muslim world."
> > Analysts
> >> > fear a military strike would "rally the Iranian public around
an
> >> > otherwise unpopular regime, inflame anti-American anger
around
> > the
> >> > Muslim world, and jeopardize the already fragile U.S.
position
> > in
> >> > Iraq." As one former Pentagon advisor asked Seymour Hersh,
"What
> >> > will
> >> > 1.2 billion Muslims think the day we attack Iran?"
> >> >
> >> > A NUCLEAR REGIME CRISIS, NOT A NUCLEAR WEAPONS CRISIS: The
> >> > "consensus
> >> > among U.S. intelligence agencies" is that Iran is "about a
> > decade
> >> > away"
> >> > from acquiring a nuclear weapon, meaning that the situation
> > today is
> >> > "not a nuclear bomb crisis, it is a nuclear regime crisis."
The
> > Bush
> >> > administration's Iran strategy should reflect this reality.
The
> >> > first
> >> > priority of U.S. officials should be to form a strong global
> > front
> >> > to
> >> > demand that Iran curb its nuclear ambitions or risk further
> >> > international isolation. Iran's latest actions -- demanding
that
> > the
> >> > U.N. Security Council stop investigating its nuclear program
and
> >> > announcing it will not abide by the Security Council's
directive
> >> > that
> >> > it cease uranium enrichment -- have helped unite the
> > international
> >> > community; new reports of the Bush administration's
aggressive
> > war
> >> > planning will likely reverse that tide. Also, the United
States
> >> > should
> >> > come to the table and engage Iran directly in bilateral talks
> > over
> >> > its
> >> > nuclear program, an option it has consistently rejected
despite
> >> > numerous opportunities. As Council on Foreign Relations
expert
> > Ray
> >> > Takeyh notes, current U.S. policy "of relentlessly
threatening
> > Iran
> >> > with economic coercion and even military reprisals only
empowers
> >> > reactionaries and validates their pro-nuclear argument." A
"more
> >> > adroit
> >> > American diplomacy could still dissuade Tehran from crossing
the
> >> > nuclear threshold" by persuading Iranian pragmatists of the
many
> >> > benefits of abandoning their nuclear ambitions.
> >> >
> >> > SHOW US THE INTEL: "Fortunately, we know more about Iran's
> > nuclear
> >> > program now than we ever knew about Iraq's," Cirincione
writes.
> > But
> >> > we don't know nearly enough. Following a briefing last week
on
> > Iran
> >> > intelligence, Rep. Jane Harman (D-CA), ranking minority
member
> > of
> >> > the
> >> > House Intelligence Committee, said, "I remain skeptical -
lots
> > of
> >> > unanswered questions." As we learned the hard way in Iraq,
> >> > intelligence
> >> > about Iran's nuclear development is key to determining the
> >> > appropriate
> >> > policy -- and facts are already being manipulated. At a
recent
> >> > meeting
> >> > of the International Atomic Energy Association, for example,
"US
> >> > officials called several journalists to tell them that in the
> >> > briefing
> >> > IAEA officials were 'shocked,' 'astonished,' 'blown-away' by
> > Iran's
> >> > progress on gas centrifuges." In fact, nuclear experts
reported
> > that
> >> > "IAEA officials have said they were not surprised by Iran's
> >> > actions,"
> >> > prompting one IAEA official to say the U.S. statements came
> > "from
> >> > people who are seeking a crisis, not a solution." As
Cirincione
> >> > advises, "The key now is to get all this information on the
> > table
> >> > for
> >> > an open debate. ... An accurate and fully understood
assessment
> > of
> >> > the
> >> > status and potential of Iran's nuclear program is the
essential
> >> > basis
> >> > for any policy."
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
>
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TOPIC: Smug Alert - San Francisco disappears up its own asshole...
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2fdfb4b42f5ccc02
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 8:41 pm
From: "Jack May"

"David Kaye" <sfdavidkaye2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1144731812.983261.275850@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...

> If you don't like it here, why did you move here? Obviously you must
> LOVE it here or you wouldn't be living in one of the two most expensive
> places to live in North America.

People don't move for love of an area, they move because they got a job
here.

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TOPIC: Christianity: The Next Saudi Arabian Religion? (Was: Islam: The Next
American Religion?)
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6203a53719edae57
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 8:50 pm
From: "Lisa"

Islam Will Replace Collapsing Amerikan Empire wrote:
> Islam: The Next American Religion?
>
> The U.S. began as a haven for Christian outcasts. But what religion fits our
> current zeitgeist? The answer may be Islam.
>
> Americans tend to think of their country as, at the very least, a nominally
> Christian nation. Didn't the Pilgrims come here for freedom to practice
> their Christian religion? Don't Christian values of righteousness under God,
> and freedom, reinforce America's democratic, capitalist ideals?
>
> True enough. But there's a new religion on the block now, one that fits the
> current zeitgeist nicely. It's Islam.
>
> Islam is the third-largest and fastest growing religious community in the
> United States. This is not just because of immigration. More than 50% of
> America's six million Muslims were born here. Statistics like these imply
> some basic agreement between core American values and the beliefs that
> Muslims hold. Americans who make the effort to look beyond popular
> stereotypes to learn the truth of Islam are surprised to find themselves on
> familiar ground.
>
> Is America a Muslim nation? Here are seven reasons the answer may be yes.
>
> http://www.beliefnet.com/story/69/story_6982_1.html

How do you manage to have so much time on your hands?

Lisa

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TOPIC: Muslim Outreach Key for Promoting Understanding, Integration
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c3a21f4438d4d9e
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 11:51 pm
From: "K James"

Muslim Outreach Key for Promoting Understanding, Integration

American government, society encourage dialogue among citizens

"The [American] Muslim community realizes today they are part of the fabric of society, and they have a responsibility
and opportunity to bridge the gap between the two cultures," said Khalil Jassemm in an April 11 webchat.

Jassemm serves as chief executive officer of the nonprofit, nongovernmental organization Life for Relief and Development
(LIFE), which has provided more than $100 million in humanitarian assistance to ten countries around the world.

Jassemm said the attacks of September 11, 2001, served as a "wakeup call" for American Muslims. The subsequent war in
Iraq and War on Terror "forced them to become more proactive, and do more out reach in the community, educate, and
explain to the general public what Islam is really about," he said.

He estimated that 6 million to 8 million Muslims reside in the United States, and noted that every city with a
population of more than 30,000 has a mosque or place to pray.

Negative media perception "is probably the biggest challenge facing Muslims today," Jassem said. "Only through hard
work, positive engagement, a good outreach plan, and help from good citizens, this problem can be overcome."

For example, even though many non-Muslims stereotype the Muslim world as harboring negative feelings toward Americans,
Jassemm said, "I don't think Muslims hate the U.S. at all. Islam never preaches hate against anyone." He pointed out
that no single aya (verse) in the Quran uses the word "hate."

Although some Muslims may disagree with certain U.S. policies, government policy is only "one element of the
relationship" - with factors such as culture, economy, and human interaction also serving to shape Muslim views about
America and Americans, he said.

Outreach is necessary on both sides because many Muslims around the world foster misconceptions about Americans as well,
Jassemm added.

Jassemm said he considers American society quite welcoming to both Muslims, and has found that "the average American
citizen is very open-minded and fair and willing to listen and engage in positive dialogue."

U.S. law promotes discussion and can "encourage the citizens to express their views and feelings peacefully and within
the law. The U.S. Constitution guarantees this right," Jassemm said. He cited government outreach as a "very critical
tool" in helping Muslims "face challenges and secure their future" in America.

For Muslims in America, Jassemm credited the combination of American laws and values as helping to expedite the
otherwise "long gradual process" of integration. He describes Muslim integration in American society as "smooth and
without any major obstacles."

"American Muslims are among the most educated of American society. They contribute in every element and aspect of
American life. No, they are not harassed by the police," he told one of his correspondents during the webchat.

Jassemm attributed Muslims' success in America to the country's foundation on the rule of law and its celebration of the
work ethic. "[T]here are no limits on success level. Your nationality and background are irrelevant. Islam strongly
emphasizes self-discipline, and America provides endless opportunities."

Interfaith efforts and religious tolerance also play a role facilitating Muslim integration in the United States. "In
the U.S., the society view religion and religious people as an asset," he said.

Jassemm used his own experience to illustrate the point: "I feel that I am no different than anyone else. In fact, I
feel that I have more at stake in this country, more than most of the other citizens. I have nine children, aged 1 year
to 26 years, all of them Americans, and all Muslims, and all part of the fabric of this society. There is no
contradiction in being American and Muslim. A good Muslim is a good citizen."

Life for Relief and Development, Jassemm's organization, was founded in 1992 by a group of Iraqi-American professionals
and is dedicated to providing health, education, social and economic services to victims of hunger, natural disasters,
wars and other catastrophes. To learn more about its mission and humanitarian assistance visit the LIFE Web site.
http://www.lifeusa.org/

Source: U.S. Department of State

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 9:08 pm
From: "Bill Ireland"

"K James" <kjames28@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:X7adnV5nVfL_gaLZnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@sysmatrix.net...
> Muslim Outreach Key for Promoting Understanding, Integration
>
> American government, society encourage dialogue among citizens
>
> "The [American] Muslim community realizes today they are part of the fabric of
society, and they have a responsibility
> and opportunity to bridge the gap between the two cultures," said Khalil
Jassemm in an April 11 webchat.
>
> Jassemm serves as chief executive officer of the nonprofit, nongovernmental
organization Life for Relief and Development
> (LIFE), which has provided more than $100 million in humanitarian assistance
to ten countries around the world.
>
> Jassemm said the attacks of September 11, 2001, served as a "wakeup call" for
American Muslims. The subsequent war in
> Iraq and War on Terror "forced them to become more proactive, and do more out
reach in the community, educate, and
> explain to the general public what Islam is really about," he said.

Frommy experience, I agree.

That's precisely what they're doing, and with good reason.

There are too many fuck heads out there who would like this to be as it was in
my country back in WW1 when we took people from their homes and throw them into
camps because they were of German, Austrian, Hungarian or Ukrainian heritage.
Or later in WW2, when Japanese, Germans or even those of Italian heritage were
treated like shit.

"We learn from history that we learn nothing from history".
- George Bernard Shaw

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TOPIC: Physicist says Thermite heat substance felled WTC
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/abf837d229b6d170
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 14 2006 4:06 am
From: "Frank F. Matthews"

This is the expert on cold fusion and the early visits of Christ to
America wandering about again.

David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:

> Deseret Morning News, Monday, April 10, 2006
> http://deseretnews.com/dn/print/1%2C1442%2C635198488%2C00.html
> Physicist says heat substance felled WTC
>
> Extremely hot fires caused structures to fail, BYU expert says
>
> By Suzanne Dean
> For the Deseret Morning News
>
> EPHRAIM - A Brigham Young University physicist said he now believes
> an incendiary substance called thermite, bolstered by sulfur, was used
> to generate exceptionally hot fires at the World Trade Center on 9/11,
> causing the structural steel to fail and the buildings to collapse.
>
> "It looks like thermite with sulfur added, which really is a very
> clever idea," Steven Jones, professor of physics at BYU, told a meeting
> of the Utah Academy of Science, Arts and Letters at Snow College
> Friday.
>
> The government requires standard explosives to contain tag elements
> enabling them to be traced back to their manufacturers. But no tags are
> required in aluminum and iron oxide, the materials used to make
> thermite, he said. Nor, he said, are tags required in sulfur.
>
> Jones is co-chairman, with James H. Fetzer, a distinguished professor
> of philosophy at the University of Minnesota of Scholars for 9/11
> Truth, a group of college faculty members who believe conspirators
> other than pilots of the planes were directly involved in bringing down
> New York's Trade Towers.
>
> The group, which Jones said has 200 members, maintains a Web site at
> www.st911.org. A 40-page paper by Jones, along with other peer-reviewed
> and non-reviewed academic papers, are posted on the site.
>
> Last year, Jones presented various arguments for his theory that
> explosives or incendiary devices were planted in the Trade Towers, and
> in WTC 7, a smaller building in the Trade Center complex, and that
> those materials, not planes crashing into the buildings, caused the
> buildings to collapse.
>
> At that time, he mentioned thermite as the possible explosive or
> incendiary agent. But Friday, he said he is increasingly convinced that
> thermite and sulfur were the root causes of the 9/11 disaster.
>
> He told college professors and graduate students from throughout Utah
> gathered for the academy meeting that while almost no fire, even one
> ignited by jet fuel, can cause structural steel to fail, the
> combination of thermite and sulfur "slices through steel like a hot
> knife through butter."
>
> He ticked off several pieces of evidence for his thermite fire theory:
>
> First, he said, video showed a yellow, molten substance splashing off
> the side of the south Trade Tower about 50 minutes after an airplane
> hit it and a few minutes before it collapsed. Government investigators
> ruled out the possibility of melting steel being the source of the
> material because of the unlikelihood of steel melting. The
> investigators said the molten material must have been aluminum from the
> plane.
>
> But, said Jones, molten aluminum is silvery. It never turns yellow. The
> substance observed in the videos "just isn't aluminum," he said. But,
> he said, thermite can cause steel to melt and become yellowish.
>
> Second, he cited video pictures showing white ash rising from the south
> tower near the dripping, liquefied metal. When thermite burns, Jones
> said, it releases aluminum-oxide ash. The presence of both yellow-white
> molten iron and aluminum oxide ash "are signature characteristics of a
> thermite reaction," he said.
>
> Another item of evidence, Jones said, is the fact that sulfur traces
> were found in structural steel recovered from the Trade Towers. Jones
> quoted the New York Times as saying sulfidization in the recovered
> steel was "perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the (official)
> investigation." But, he said, sulfidization fits the theory that sulfur
> was combined with thermite to make the thermite burn even hotter than
> it ordinarily would.
>
> Jones said a piece of building wreckage had a gray substance on the
> outside that at one point had obviously been a dripping molten metal or
> liquid. He said that after thermite turns steel or iron into a molten
> form, and the metal hardens, it is gray.
>
> He added that pools of molten metal were found beneath both trade
> towers and the 47-story WTC 7. That fact, he said, was never discussed
> in official investigation reports.
>
> And even though WTC 7 was not connected to the Trade Towers - in
> fact, there was another building between it and the towers -and even
> though it was never hit by a plane, it collapsed. That suggests, he
> said, that it came down because a thermite fire caused its structural
> steel to fail.
>
> Jones said his studies are confined to physical causes of the
> collapses, and he doesn't like to speculate about who might have
> entered the buildings and placed thermite and sulfur. But he said 10 to
> 20 people "in the know," plus other people who didn't know what they
> were doing but did what they were told, could have placed incendiary
> packages over several weeks.
>
> © 2006 Deseret News Publishing Company
>
>
>

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TOPIC: $10,000 Reward for Thai Air Force Commander Akkavibul
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 13 2006 2:56 pm
From: Anonymous

Reward paid on conviction of Suchart and Yuwadee Akkavibul.

http://thailand.ahrchk.net/mainfile.php/general/29/

http://www.ahrchk.net/ua/mainfile.php/2004/886/

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