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Saturday, April 01, 2006

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Today's topics:

* Jews Celebrate the Murder of Jesus - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c7575ce359400ed7
* WSJ: Why Not Liberate the American Worker - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/dff0702be9d23a69
* Another Port Story: Hong Kong Co Wants Cargo Security - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ad6c3f3892f4a60d
* Time For Blacks To Declare A Culture War? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/573fb76db7781873
* Suchart and Yuwadee Akkavibul 'WANTED' $10,000 Reward! - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b4b8d1ea5f1e6fcd
* Arab leaders renew peace offer to Israel, shame on them - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/82e7a02b5d7bfb36
* Mexican flag burned at Apache Junction HS(After Mexicans replaced the
American Flag) - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/1a2dc8f52496f99d
* NAFTA Summit Insults Mexicans - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c1239fdd2b8b1f97
* The true ID of Alistair (was Re: Rick Murphy aka Mark Rivers) - 1 messages,
1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/66bb27818a57910b
* How man Bush cabinet members does it take to change a light bulb? - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f028a98281fc7552
* Illegal Hispanic Immigration & rally in LA - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/965a78900803abba
* U.S. DESERTER TELLS OF ATROCITIES - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/40f5bb24d41873b6
* The end is near....for US occupation of Iraq? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/57f2252d27097fb3
* Iberoamérica y el mundo: sobre las relaciones de la Dictadura militar en
Argentina con Fidel Castro - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/8a6a4352a5fd84a4
* Stalin vs. Jews - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/33b65b8e64582886
* Journalist Jill Carroll was an agent for the AmeriKKKan government! And was
doing some side work for the Brits too! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/4bdc14e144dff82b
* HITLER ABOUT JEWS - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9143a3d205d36051

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TOPIC: Jews Celebrate the Murder of Jesus
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c7575ce359400ed7
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 2 2006 3:12 am
From: "James A. Doemer"

In News vHyXf.812$e11.221@trnddc02,, Salah Jafar at codeman@hotmail.com,
typed this:

> You bastard parasite son of bitch, how dear you hate my beloved
> Jesus,

Who?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 2 2006 3:32 am
From: "Salah Jafar"

Jesus, my beloved son of God you fucking parasites Jooz.
SJ

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 2 2006 3:39 am
From: "James A. Doemer"

In News UIGXf.2399$qe7.540@trnddc04,, Salah Jafar at codeman@hotmail.com,
typed this:

> Jesus, my beloved son of God you fucking parasites Jooz.
> SJ

Is that pronounced with a hard "J" sound, or is the J more like an H, as on
Heysus? Who is this God fellow you are going on about?

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TOPIC: WSJ: Why Not Liberate the American Worker
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/dff0702be9d23a69
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 1 2006 8:19 pm
From: nightwind

tmurf.1 wrote:
> The executives who get paid millions had nothing to do with companies
> that went out of business????

Well frankly, a few million does not affect the bottom line of a company
that makes billions. What does CEO pay have to do with anything? The
responsibility they carry on their shoulders is worth the money if they
are good at what they do. For you to even point this out tells me you
have a class warfare issue.

But you say the unions did?? what are
> you smoking. The incredible greed at the top of american business is
> to blaim for the collapse of these companies.

No, it is unreasonable demands made by labor. Such as job banks, not
being able to fire unproductive workers, Job banks, Excessive pensions
and health care benefits,Job banks, Not allowing a company to eliminate
phased out jobs, Job banks, just to name a few. You are right though,
it was faulty management to allow the union to infest their companies in
the first place. It is like a cancer, once you get it, you can't get rid
of it until it kills you.

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 2 2006 3:32 am
From: "Michael Legel"

"nightwind" <nightwind65@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1143942751_1361@sp6iad.superfeed.net...

>It doesn't change the fact that Unions have left a trail of destruction in
>their wake. There are a lot of x union workers right now wondering how they
>will support themselves now that their retirement has gone up in smoke.

The unions have done nothing but good for workers ... the retirements
weren't taken away by unions.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 2 2006 3:35 am
From: "Michael Legel"

"nightwind" <nightwind65@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1143943728_1371@sp6iad.superfeed.net...

> Whatever gets you through the day. My one sided perspective comes from a
> lot of experience on both sides of the issue. A CEO does not stay
> successful for long if he does not consider his employees well being.

What planet are you living on? Chainsaw Al became famous for slashing and
dismantleing corporations costing tens of thousands of jobs. How does
slashing jobs, healthcare and pensions show any concern for employee
wellbeing?

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TOPIC: Another Port Story: Hong Kong Co Wants Cargo Security
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ad6c3f3892f4a60d
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 2 2006 3:19 am
From: Four-Way Windowpane

NY.Transfer.News@blythe.org wrote...
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> Another Port Story: Hong Kong Co Wants Cargo Security
>
> Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit
>
> [Now a Hong Kong company is angling for a no-bid contract to handle nuclear
> security cargo screening in the Bahamas for the US. This time, the Bush
> regime is sending Homeland Hyseria Czar Chertoff off to "tour" a Hong Kong
> port run by the same company, which is owned by someone described as "Asia's
> richest man." They also gave a heads-up to Republicans in Congress to avoid
> another firestorm. The real problem is: Aside from a very few corporations,
> like Halliburton, there aren't any companies left inside the US who can
> handle jobs like this one, and certainly not on the cheap. Global capitalism
> and xenophobia are bound to clash.-NYTr]

Oh, that makes a lot of sense, giving the security screening contract
to a country that we likely will go to war with in the near future.
China could move thousands of nuclear weapons into the country, hide
them in every U.S. city, then on the day we go to war detonate them
all by remote control. All the trillions of dollars we spent on
radar, missile defense systems, and giant laser space frisbees won't
matter as every American city is simultaneously destroyed by the
Chinese nukes buried underneath them. Chinese agents could also be
smuggled in that way.

And why are there no American companies that can handle the job? And
if not, why can't the U.S. government handle it?

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TOPIC: Time For Blacks To Declare A Culture War?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/573fb76db7781873
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 1 2006 6:25 pm
From: Von Bailey

On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 20:54:17 -0500, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
>http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ideas_opinions/story/404374p-342477c.html
>
>"Specifically, we need aggressive, concerted action by members and
>institutions of the respectable black middle class to do open combat
>against the rise of an ancient enemy: a bold, seductive street
>culture that exalts lawlessness, addiction and anti-family behavior
>like pimping, sexual promiscuity, ignorance and personal selfishness."
>
>Now before anyone screams "racism" or "bigot", click on the link below
>and note that the author is as much as an African-American (born in
>Harlem, now lives in Brooklyn) as any other black man.
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

You say that as if a black person can't work towards the goal of those
who work against black people. That's why your stupid rationales
never make sense, they are based on ridiculous assumptions.

von
---
There is no conversation that I can have that threatens my reality and I
don't see how anyone can live with such a precarious state of mind.
---
God isn't the problem, religion is. Something that doesn't exist
can't really be a problem. Worshiping something that doesn't exist
is an entirely different subect.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 2 2006 3:33 am
From: B1ackwater

Voice Of Reason <> wrote:

>"Specifically, we need aggressive, concerted action by members and
>institutions of the respectable black middle class to do open combat
>against the rise of an ancient enemy: a bold, seductive street
>culture that exalts lawlessness, addiction and anti-family behavior
>like pimping, sexual promiscuity, ignorance and personal selfishness."
>
>Now before anyone screams "racism" or "bigot", click on the link below
>and note that the author is as much as an African-American (born in
>Harlem, now lives in Brooklyn) as any other black man.
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ideas_opinions/story/404374p-342477c.html

Sounds almost like what Bill Cosby said today in front of
the New Orleans 'delay the vote' mob. Dunno if they listened,
Jackson and Sharpton already had 'em all revved up against
'whitey'.

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TOPIC: Suchart and Yuwadee Akkavibul 'WANTED' $10,000 Reward!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b4b8d1ea5f1e6fcd
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 2 2006 3:32 am
From: Anonymous

Reward paid on conviction of Suchart and Yuwadee Akkavibul.

http://thailand.ahrchk.net/mainfile.php/general/29/

http://www.ahrchk.net/ua/mainfile.php/2004/886/

-=-
This message was sent via two or more anonymous remailing services.

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TOPIC: Arab leaders renew peace offer to Israel, shame on them
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/82e7a02b5d7bfb36
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 2 2006 3:31 am
From: "Mexican Bandolero"

"Salah Jafar" <codeman@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:KLzWf.10116$b07.170@trnddc05...
Jooz don't need peace they need good OVENS.
SJ
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

And you Doggie need an incinerator!
Now, raise your left leg, put your finger on your ass and pee!
MB

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TOPIC: Mexican flag burned at Apache Junction HS(After Mexicans replaced the
American Flag)
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/1a2dc8f52496f99d
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 1 2006 6:40 pm
From: "GeekBoy"

"Frank Arthur" <Art@Arthurian.com> wrote in message
news:pCCXf.31408$67.14961@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> Another Christian who hates "dirty wetbacks" who is ignorant of American
> history.

What does hostory have to do with criminals who are currently breaking law
with impunity?

That is like saying "Another who hates bank robbers, who is ignorant of the
gun industry."

>
> <sauteedshrimp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1143914957.370176.174920@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> johnwesley55@lycos.com wrote:
>>> Moderate Mammal wrote:
>>> > Mexican flag burned at Apache Junction HS
>>> > Source: AZ Star
>>> > URL Source: http://www.azstarnet.com/allheadlines/122555
>>> > Published: Mar 31, 2006
>>> > Author: Blake Herzog
>>> > Post Date: 2006-03-31 02:47:55 by out damned spot
>>> > Ping List: *Immigration Issues-Borders*
>>> > 4 Comments
>>> >
>>> > Tensions over immigration reform heightened in the Phoenix area's East
>>> > Valley Thursday when students raised a Mexican flag over Apache
>>> > Junction High School - and then other students yanked it down and
>>> > burned it. "I know (they) shouldn't have burned the Mexican flag,"
>>> > said Jacob Stewart, a 16-year-old sophomore. "I heard it was raised
>>> > above the American flag and that just irked me."
>>> >
>>> > He said the turbulence was tied to debates going on in the state
>>> > Legislature and Congress, where ideas ranging from offering illegal
>>> > immigrants a chance at citizenship to making them felons are being
>>> > floated.
>>> >
>>> > Freshman Chelsea Garcia, 15, and junior Brittany Ramage, 16, said the
>>> > unrest had more to do with long-running racial tensions at the school.
>>> >
>>> > The week's events might have sparked some anger, Ramage said, "but
>>> > kids aren't too deep about that stuff."
>>> >
>>> > The Hispanic student who brought the Mexican flag said he was
>>> > responding to a remark directed at him Wednesday. The flag-raising,
>>> > flag-burning, and shoving match that followed happened before most
>>> > students arrived at school.
>>> >
>>> > Six students - three Hispanic and three white - will be disciplined,
>>> > Principal Chad Wilson said.
>>> >
>>> > Officials with the Apache Junction Unified School District would not
>>> > specify what punishment the six face.
>>> >
>>> > Wilson did say in a letter sent home to parents that there would be
>>> > "increased supervision, including additional police officers, on the
>>> > campus over the next couple of days."
>>> >
>>> > School flagpoles have been lightning rods across the country this
>>> > week, including an incident in which a Houston high-school principal
>>> > was disciplined after he flew a Mexican flag underneath his campus'
>>> > U.S. and state flags.
>>> >
>>> > A new political awareness among students has also been grabbing
>>> > attention, as thousands have walked out on classes to join rallies in
>>> > Phoenix and elsewhere. More than 100 students from Mesa's Carson
>>> > Junior High and Westwood High schools marched in protest on Mesa
>>> > streets Tuesday.
>>> >
>>> > Fed up with illegal immigration?
>>> > _____
>>> >
>>> > Forums to discuss news items of illegal immigration:
>>> >
>>> > http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/listarticles.cgi?117
>>> > http://www.saveourstate.org
>>> >
>>> > http://www.minutemanhq.com/hq/index.php
>>> >
>>> > Indexes breaking news of illegal immigration:
>>> >
>>> > http://idexer.com
>>> >
>>> > Other important links:
>>> >
>>> > http://www.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frostyA.htm
>>> > http://www.rescuewithoutborders.org/index.html
>>> > http://www.americanpatrol.com/LINKS/LINKS.html
>>> > http://www.vdare.com/links.htm
>>> > http://fairus.org/
>>> > http://numbersusa.com/index
>>> >
>>> > _____
>>> >
>>> > "Cosmic upheaval is not so moving as a little child pondering the
>>> > death
>>> > of a sparrow in the corner of a barn." -Anouk Aimee, French Actor
>>> > _____
>>> >
>>> > "Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny", Aeschylus
>>> > (525BC-456BC),
>>> > Agamemnon
>>> > _____
>>> >
>>> > "I wear no Burka." - Mother Nature
>>>
>>> Burn all the stinking Mexican flags.
>>>
>>> John
>>
>> Hooray for our side. America will not be trampled by those dirty
>> illegal wetbacks.
>>
>> SauteedShrimp
>>
>
>

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TOPIC: NAFTA Summit Insults Mexicans
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c1239fdd2b8b1f97
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 2 2006 3:51 am
From: "David Eduardo"

Prensa Latina is Fidel Castro's private news agency.

<NY.Transfer.News@blythe.org> wrote in message
news:1143919591.204722503.3670824575@blythe.org...
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> NAFTA Summit Insults Mexicans
>
> Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit
>
> Prensa Latina, Havana
> http://www.plenglish.com
>
> NAFTA Summit Insults Mexicans
>
> Mexico, Apr 1 (Prensa Latina) The summit of presidents of the three
> country members of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) was
> the focus of attention this week in Mexico, amid tight security and
> popular protests.
>
> The presence of US President George W. Bush unleashed protests not
> only in Cancun, the venue, but also in the capital and other cities
> with US consulates.
>
> "He is absolutely not welcome here. His presence is an insult to the
> Mexican people," said Ana Rodrigo, a young professor who spoke on
> behalf of the Mexican Movement of Solidarity with Cuba during a
> meeting Thursday in Mexico DF.
>
> The summit on Mar 30-31 included meetings between Bush and his Mexican
> counterpart Vicente Fox and Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper.
>
> After their talks, the three top officials briefed the press.
> A commitment to advancing towards North American economic
> complementation, basically oriented to counter increasing Chinese
> competition, and the decision to maintain security as their main
> priority were agreed upon in the Cancun summit, the three dignitaries
> said during a press conference.
>
> They reviewed achievements and challenges of the so-called Security
> and Prosperity Partnership for North America established in 2005.
>
> hr/rma/rl/mf
>
>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 2 2006 1:52 am
From: "David Eduardo"

"Frank Arthur" <Art@Arthurian.com> wrote in message
news:gxCXf.31405$67.31132@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> How dare an idiot who thinks anyone who disagrees with him is a commie?

Considering the name of the organization, it is a valid assumption that the
woman is a socialist or communist or something similar.

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TOPIC: The true ID of Alistair (was Re: Rick Murphy aka Mark Rivers)
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/66bb27818a57910b
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 2 2006 3:53 am
From: "choro-nik"

What's happened, Alistair? Made a mistake and used your "Alistair Sim" pen
name rather than your usual "Panta Rhei" nick on a topic such as this?

See, sooner or later you are bound to make mistakes and reveal your identity
if you resort to using different pen-names in different circumstances.
Obviously your training wasn't through enough.
--
choro-nik
********

"Alistair Sim" <tartan_army@msn.com> wrote in message
news:yFpXf.3213$L6.673@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> Maize
> What happened Rivers? Got tired of Mark Rivers? Why do you always choose
> American names of British origin?
>
> --
>
>
> Alistair Sim
>
> They seek him here, They seek him there, Those Frenchies seek him
> everywhere. Is he in heaven? Or is he in hell? That damned elusive
> Pimpernel! ...
>
>
> My brain has always governed my heart.
> The emotional qualities are antagonistic to clear reasoning.
> My name is Sherlock Holmes. It is my business to know what other people
> don't know
> My mind rebels at stagnation. Give me problems, give me work, give me the
> most abstruse cryptogram or the most intricate analysis, and I am in my
> own proper atmosphere. I can dispense then with artificial stimulants. But
> I abhor the dull routine of existence. I crave for mental exaltation.
>
> Eliminate all other factors, and the one which remains must be the truth.
> How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible,
> whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?
>

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TOPIC: How man Bush cabinet members does it take to change a light bulb?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f028a98281fc7552
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 2 2006 3:59 am
From: The Ghost In The Machine

On Fri, 31 Mar 2006 07:31:36 -0800, Kevin wrote:

> How many members of the Bush administration does it take to change a light
> bulb?
>
> 1. One to deny that a light bulb needs to be changed;
>

[rest snipped for brevity]

I just knew there was a bright side to this Administration's policies:
there's no shortage of jokes. :-)

(Also no shortage of weirdness. This Administration is almost parodying
itself!)

--
#191, ewill3@earthlink.net -- and then they blame Clinton for it???
It's still legal to go .sigless.

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TOPIC: Illegal Hispanic Immigration & rally in LA
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/965a78900803abba
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 1 2006 7:18 pm
From: richasiankid@hotmail.com

drydem wrote:
> richasiankid@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Komin wrote:
> > > richasian
> > >
> > > I disagree with you there , the WASP will always win in the USA .
> >
> >
> > Not if you're the last one left.
> > Demographics is Destiny.
>
> That's rather marxist of you.
> Have you decide to become a socialist?
> History tells me
> that number aren't always important.
> History is full of stories of
> a smaller group of people
> controlling a larger group of people.
>
> anyway as a rich kid
> shouldn't you be advocating ...the golden rule
> He who has the gold makes the rules. :-P

You're trolling here, just like how you replied to my 4 points earlier,
off topic, delving into devilish details etc, so let me reply on April
Fools.

If anything you can label me more as a 'fascist'? ("Whoa!! Oh no!!
RichAsianKid's a fascist!???") Afterall I have said or implied in the
past in no uncertain terms that universalism is doomed. With a
collectivist mentality I may well be a 'nationalist', though my
'socioeconomic status' would make this quite difficult.

More seiously I'm not sure that the good has always triumphed - that's
how many 'paleoconservatives' look at things. The 'neoconservatives'
however seem to have a different mindset. (What's the purpose of
evolution? There is none. Incidentally I'm not a conservative - at
least not in the social arena.)

And about this business of smaller group of people controlling a larger
group of people - are you referring to the Jews in particular? You do
know that (liberal) Yale Law Professor Amy Chua (Asian, too, again see
how I have this talent of integrating things, to keep this at least
tangentially on topic) wrote a book called World on Fire, correct?
Market dominant minorities have often been persecuted in the past.
Being rich is not always a blessing. I'm glad that you pointed that
out. People think that the 'rich' has it all but that's not always the
case. Money is like sex, the more you have the more you want that type
of thing. And people get envious all the time, for no good reason, and
envy, just like lust, is one of the 7 cardinal sins.

I think there is a tipping point, up to a certain degree it's good to
have underlings; eventually these orcs as NYC XYZ in this ng labels
them will have a mind of their own. It's game theory as you drydem may
say it; it's dynamic and nonlinear as Chess One (from another
newsgroup, but x-posted here) might say it; it's entropic as others
will conceptualize it.

This applies to Hispanic/Latino immigration. It's like chocolate - no
that's not a pun - there can be too much of a good thing....

And yes 'rich kids' do make the rules but you still cannot flout
reality....see, I can tell you're trolling here....as another example
your BMW slip differential does not let you flout the laws of physics
and hard corner in a skating rink that type of thing.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 1 2006 7:35 pm
From: richasiankid@hotmail.com

I've taken the liberty of posting this to the original 5 groups that
I've posted to. I posted to only 5 groups for the simple reason that
google only allows a max of 5 groups, and some groups are not allowed.
Why am I saying this? Because if you only post to scc I think this
topic is so distant (which you admitted to) and people wouldn't care.
At the same time if you post to a hispanic newsgroup (never bothered to
look it up) then you'll be flamed all over. (Did you see some Hispanics
were flying the US flag in reverse?)

You have it right though: you ended your post with:

> Given half the
> chance they will work hard to become American citizens and with that
> change the landscape of America.

Well that probably is very true. I think there are lots of societal
changes that are/will be upcoming. One is whether English will still be
the official language! Bilingual ed is everywhere, and will teachers be
required to speak Spanish for instance? I've read somewhere that that's
the de facto requirement!

And certainly the cultural landscape is changing. I think that the US
will look more like Mexico in decades to come. Eventually it will look
like Brazil perhaps. Many object, in part because of this IQ business.
There is scarcely any doubt (which you would agree) that Mexicans are,
on average, in the aggregate, less smart than say, North American
Caucasians of European descent, East Asians, and Ashkenazi Jews. I
think someone suggested that 21st century North American life will be
dichotomized into a Jewrasian elite (hidden in this term is of course
the 'euro' part, as in Eurasian) vs a black & brown proletariat. It's
not so bad, because then we can be cushioned by this flood of poor
people (just to put things in polemical terms!) who can provide cheap
labor, as I've said before. And will their low IQs have consequences?
It's difficult to know.

Quoted in my original thread:
http://www.ssc.uwo.ca/psychology/faculty/rushtonpdfs/2006%20PAID%20bk%20rev.pdf

and if IQ correlates with GDP then (quoted before elsewhere):
http://www.siue.edu/~garjone/JonesSchneApr.pdf

"Human capital plays an important role in the theory of economic
growth, but it has been difficult to measure this abstract concept. We
survey the psychological literature on cross-cultural IQ tests and
conclude that modern intelligence tests provide one useful measure of
human capital. Using a new database of national average IQ along with a
methodology derived from Sala-i-Martin, Doppelhofer, and Miller [AER,
2004], we show that in growth regressions that include only robust
control variables, IQ is statistically significant at the 95% level in
99.8% of these 1330 regressions. IQ is significant in most regressions
at the 0.0001% level. A 1 point increase in a nation's average IQ is
associated with a persistent 0.11% annual increase in GDP per capita."

"A key lesson here appears to be that the health and vigor of the human
brain is likely to be a key determinant of national economic
performance. Economists who wish to understand the large, persistent
differences in cross-country economic performance seen in the data will
need to devote at least some energy to understanding why IQ differences
across countries are so very large. Economists and policymakers who
wish to reduce cross-country gaps in living standards will need to
devote energy to understanding what can be done to narrow those
cross-country IQ differences; the psychological literature surveyed in
section II serves as an introduction to these issues. If economists
bring their powerful theoretical and econometric tools to bear on the
relationship between IQ and economic performance, one can only hope
that these crucial questions will find promising answers."

then the future may be 'bleak'......

Wow, can I be a conservative here.

I think everyone knows this, but you just can't say it in public. And
life is about opportunities - maybe if they take advantage of this, we
can also take advantage of them. Just a thought.

On a grand scale though, no we won't change them. They'll change us.
I'm humble enough to admit this though, even as a 'rich kid'. I'm
incorrigible, no? :)

PaPaPeng wrote:
> To avoid being drowned by the spitting contest in the original thread
> this is a repost of a view I would invite comments on.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> On 26 Mar 2006 13:16:06 -0800, richasiankid@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >There is some concern that perhaps some of these Hispanics are less
> >cognitively endowed, shall we say, very kindly, based on worldwide IQ
> >evidence:
>
> This is not a China problem and I haven't paid much attention to the
> Latino immigration issue. But there is one critical consequence where
> I believe the Latino phenomenon will impact on the national political
> power structure in the US.
>
> Latinos are already the majority in many US cities and in some
> counties and they will soon displace the Blacks in elective office as
> Mayors and city councillors. This is but a short step to State and
> Federal positions. The Whites are frozen out of this very important
> political arena as they live mostly in small gated communities that
> put up essentially powerless political office holders more concerned
> with local schools and parks.
>
> On a parallel, but as important a front, many Latinos have joined the
> US armed forces to fast track their qualification for US citizenship
> and for career opportunities. At this time Whites and Blacks are
> abandoning the armed forces because the US is mired in an unjust and
> an unpopular war (a separate issue best discussed elsewhere). You can
> make a google search but my casual reading puts the proportion of
> Latinos in the Iraq war as 30 percent or higher. Elsewhere I remember
> reaqding that the Latino population is as large as the Blacks and will
> exceed them in numbers soon.
>
> In twenty years we will see many Latino mayors and councillors of
> major US cities, towns. and districts. We will see Latino Governors,
> Senators and Congressmen. With them in office there will be an
> increase in Latino career civil service personnel. We will see Latino
> Generals and large Latino contingents in the US armed forces. It
> doesn't take much brains to figure out that America's Latinos will by
> then have all the elements in politics and the armed forces to become
> a major force in the governance of the United States. Don't hold your
> breath as to what will happen next.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> I have travelled quite extensively in the States and do often take
> long walks and the public transit system (trains, buses) to get a good
> feel of the places I visit. The Cities and larger towns have mostly
> been abandoned by the whites who may go there to work but flee the
> moment the workday is over. The people left after hours are the poor.
> One tends to notice the Blacks. Less noticeable are the Latinos who
> tend to look not unlike us. But make no mistake. They are present
> in considerable numbers and generally are better off economically and
> socially than the Blacks and poor Whites. Its hard to tell if they
> are illegals and therefore do not have the vote. Given half the
> chance they will work hard to become American citizens and with that
> change the landscape of America.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 1 2006 10:36 pm
From: "Bob Cooper"

"Buddy III" <BuddyIII@downUnder.au> wrote in message news:e0l0so$bth$1@emma.aioe.org...
> U.S. DESERTER TELLS OF ATROCITIES
>
> Andrew Davidson, CNEWS, 3/31/06
>
> http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2006/03/30/1512671-cp.html
>
> TORONTO - A "trigger-happy" U.S. army squad leader shot the foot off an
> unarmed Iraqi man and soldiers kicked a severed head around like a
> soccer ball, a U.S. war deserter told an Immigration and Refugee Board
> hearing Thursday.
>
> Joshua Key, the first U.S. deserter with combat experience in Iraq to
> apply for refugee status in Canada, told the board he witnessed numerous
> atrocities committed by U.S. forces while serving eight months as a
> combat engineer.
>
> Key, 27, said he was never trained on the Geneva Convention and was told
> in Iraq by superior officers that the international law guiding
> humanitarian standards was just a "guideline."
>
> "It's shoot first, ask questions later," Key said of his squad's guiding
> principles. "Everything's justified."
>
> Key is one of five members of the U.S. armed forces asking for asylum in
> Canada.
>
> But the Oklahoma native is unique in that he is the only applicant that
> has combat experience in Iraq, said Key's lawyer, Jeffry House. The
> other are seeking asylum in Canada to avoid being sent there, he said.
>
> "He has boots-on-the-ground experience about what the actual conduct of
> the war in Iraq is," House said outside the hearing.
>
> With visible bags under his eyes, Key told the hearing he suffers from
> post-traumatic stress disorder and frequently has nightmares over what
> he witnessed in Iraq.
>
> He recalled participating in almost nightly raids on homes of suspected
> insurgents in Ramadi and Fallujah as a member of the 43rd Combat
> Engineer Company.
>
> He said that while the raids seldom turned up anything of interest, he
> often saw soldiers ransack the homes and steal jewelry or money, while
> superior officers looked the other way.
>
> He also said several Iraqis were shot dead, and that they were cases of
> soldiers "shooting out of fear and inventing reasons afterward." (MORE)\

Dear Canadians,

Please do us a favor. Let him stay.

Thanks in advance.

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TOPIC: The end is near....for US occupation of Iraq?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/57f2252d27097fb3
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Date: Sat, Apr 1 2006 7:27 pm
From: "yansimon52"

Its fundamental by getting themselves involved in this Iraq war was
alreadi a very big mistake, a so-called ciltured society getting
mess-up with a illiterate society....
Uncultured people should be left on their own to solve (thru force)
their own problem.....

US getting involved themselves in Iraq is like a person, wearing 'coat
and tie' involving an argument with some illiterate people at a wet
market.........surely, the guy with coat and tie gonna lose
out..............cause, in the world of illiteracy, there is no rules
or laws.......

Bad boy wrote:
> The realities of US hopeless situation in Iraq
> is finally sinking in.
>
> The US has absolutely no control in Iraq. US troops
> are hiding behind barracks, fearing death if they ever
> venture outside.
> When they tried air petrol, their helicopters are being shot
> down like birds. The latest, one US helicopter downed
> yesterday in Baghdad.
> When they tried ground petrol using armoured vehicles,
> they are bombed to smithereens. Last weeks US troops
> were killed by road side home made bombs.
> The US troops are trapped in their barracks like captured
> animals, fearing for their life.
> Bush never bargain for such utter state of shame and
> disgrace, when he smilingly declared victory immediately
> following the fall of Saddam.
>
> Shiites who collaborated or worked with the US are being
> systematically executed.
> According to Diyala province Joint Coordination Center,
> 10 attackers ambushed and killed a Shiite tribal chief Adil
> Abdul Hadi and his male relatives near Balad Ruz as they
> drove home on Friday.
> Coalition forces found the bodies of six Iraqis in a car on
> a major road in western Baghdad on Friday, according to
> the U.S. military. They were found blindfolded, with their
> hands bound.
> Reports on such executions of US collaborators, in groups,
> are becoming a daily affair.
>
> There is nothing the US could do to stop such execution
> of people who work for the US and their families.
>
> U.S. journalist Jill Carroll, two days after her captors
> released her in Baghdad, condemned the US in a video
> show.
>
> Retired NATO military commander Gen. Wesley Clark
> slammed the Bush administration Saturday, accusing it
> of "tragic incompetence in everything from nation building
> in Iraq ..."
>
> Yes. the end is near.....for the US stay in Iraq....for
> the utter humilation of the US, ...the US as the top
> dog in the world.....
> Bush is becoming a US leader in shame....suffering
> defeat in the hands of poor Iraqi who have no high
> tech arms nor powerful war machines.
>
> Bush has bitten more than he could chew!
>
>
> Bad boy.
>
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/04/01/iraq.main/index.html
> U.S. helicopter crashes near Baghdad
> Gunmen kill Shiite tribal chief, relatives
>
> Saturday, April 1, 2006; Posted: 12:51 p.m. EST (17:51 GMT)
> BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- A U.S. military helicopter crashed Saturday southwest
> of Baghdad, the military said in a statement.
>
> "The status of the crew is unknown," the brief statement said.
>
> Officials said the helicopter was on a "combat air patrol" and came down at
> about 5:30 p.m. (9:30 a.m. ET).
>
> The statement added: "All additional information is being withheld pending
> investigation and notification of next of kin," the statement said.
>
> Elsewhere in Iraq, gunmen in three cars killed a Shiite tribal chief and
> four male relatives near Balad Ruz as they drove home from a funeral,
> according to a Diyala province Joint Coordination Center official.
>
> One of the family members was a police officer with the Baquba intelligence
> service.
>
> On Saturday morning, four Iraqi police officers were wounded as they tried
> to defuse a bomb behind Baghdad's Technical University. In a separate
> incident, a mortar round exploded in a residential area in a southeastern
> Baghdad suburb, wounding two civilians, officials said.
>
> Coalition forces also found the bodies of six Iraqis in a car on a major
> road in western Baghdad, according to the U.S. military. They were found
> blindfolded, with their hands bound, the statement said.

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TOPIC: Iberoamérica y el mundo: sobre las relaciones de la Dictadura militar
en Argentina con Fidel Castro
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/8a6a4352a5fd84a4
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Date: Sat, Apr 1 2006 3:22 pm
From: "PM"

Cuba Nuestra nr 24
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