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Thursday, April 06, 2006

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* WITH FRIENDS LIKE KIKES, AMERICA NEEDS NO ENEMIES! - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/cd9b460263d94174
* TALMUD - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c83fd88832f6de4b
* STUDY TALMUD WHILE MASTURBATING - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ed4860965fd8b849
* Onanism and lies by a Delray Beach refugee 2 - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f2923bad9ecde52
* Mexico is Rich- They play American taxpayers for suckers - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/8283a66903ae7188
* IRAQIS ARE UNITING IN THEIR FAITH OF ISLAM - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/4f10fffd54f245dd
* DO NOT MESS WITH IRAN, KIKE! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c6d79a4043be4c6e
* MURDERING FOR FUN - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/cb5ff12b53335f74
* WAR ON ERROR! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d04fc17d7e6f23c3
* Whooooooooooooooooooooo-hoooooooooooooooooooooo !!!! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/bbf453dcdcfdb5ce
* Illegal Hispanic Immigration & rally in LA - 5 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/965a78900803abba
* Yes-I Jew Jews,CRA,IRS-GanivGoy McVAY!!! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/45fce5d5bc543c30
* Kerry: Two deadlines and an exit - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/71fe988e4d3d854b
* The New White Roses - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/417e81cb1c7fba0d
* Ataques contra rebeldes en frontera paquistaní Internacional Caracas, jueves
06 de abril, 2006 - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/4b87ebdb232e3c7d
* Ecuador descarta acuerdo con Pdvsa en su estrategia petrolera Economía
Caracas, jueves 06 de abril, 2006 - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b2fb276f7486cbdf
* El autor describe un problema real de 'entendimientos y mensajes' entre las
fuerzas armadas cubanas y los militares americanos. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9337fb99edad71d0
* OLOR A CUBA - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c5b28b383a6fb3e9
* ABorted Fetus - OK for Stem Cell research? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/633ba937608fb555

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TOPIC: WITH FRIENDS LIKE KIKES, AMERICA NEEDS NO ENEMIES!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/cd9b460263d94174
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 9:54 pm
From: jsp722@gmail.com

I understand yor point, dear AnonMoos, but the fact remains that the
correct pronunciation of YOCHAI is only possible with a cock deeply
buried in your mouth.

Please do note that it is not enough to have it a cock in your anus, as
you do right now. Kabbalah is a serious science, and any deviation from
the sacred formulas can bring serious mishaps.

But if you carefully follow the instructions, which come from learned
rabbis, the word YOCHAI will resound corectly, and as powerful as the
tetragrammaton, IHVH, which means

I tching asshole
H ebrews enjoy eating
V ermins while sucking
H emorroids

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 12:55 am
From: "serwad"

"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
news:4435E977.ED6DC69E@io.com...
> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
>>news:4435D48A.9D4F26DA@io.com...
>
>>> You're confused about the pronunciation of "Yochai"!
>
>> ASK MOOSE, HE KNOWS KIKE LINGUO!
>
> Yep, I have some knowledge of French, Latin, Hebrew, and Arabic --
> while you know Serbian, bad English, and quaint antiquated 30-year-old
> Aussie slang...
Wa ana kelem arabi bardu!
Ya ponimayu po nashemu toze
Y no olvido espagnol tambien
Razumem naski isto
Pansku movu tezh rozume
Ich verstehn Deutch auch!

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TOPIC: TALMUD
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c83fd88832f6de4b
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 12:58 am
From: "serwad"

Niddah 13b
but from the corona upwards1 it is forbidden.
Rab stated: 'A man who wilfully causes erection should be placed2 under the
ban'. But why did he3 not say, 'This is forbidden'? Because the man4
merely incites his evil inclination against himself.5 R. Ammi, however,
stated: He4 is called a renegade, because such is the art of the evil
inclination: To-day it incites man to do one wrong thing,6 and to-morrow7
it incites him to worship idols and he proceeds to worship them.

There are others who read: R. Ammi8 stated, He who excites himself by
lustful thoughts will not be allowed to enter the division of the Holy One,
blessed be He. For here it is written, Was evil in the sight of the Lord,9
and elsewhere it is written, For Thou art not a God that hath pleasure in
wickedness; evil shall not sojourn with Thee.10

R.11 Eleazar stated: Who are referred to12 in the Scriptural text, Your
hands are full of blood?13 Those that commit masturbation with their hands.

It was taught at the school of R. Ishmael, Thou shalt not commit adultery14
implies, Thou shalt not practise masturbation either with hand or with foot.

Our Rabbis taught: 'proselytes and those that play with children delay the
advent of the Messiah'. The statement about proselytes may be understood on
the lines of the view of R. Helbo, for R. Helbo said, 'proselytes are as
hard for Israel to endure as a sore',15 what, however, could be meant by
'those that play with children'?16 If it be suggested: Those that practise
pederasty [it could well be objected]: Are not such people subject to
stoning?17 If, however, it be suggested: Those that practise onanism
through external contact18 [it could be objected]: Are not such deserving
destruction by flood?17 - The meaning rather is: Those that marry minors
who are not capable of bearing children, for R. Jose19 stated: The Son of
David20 will not come before all the souls in Guf21 will have been
disposed of, since it is said, For the spirit that enwrappeth itself is from
Me, and the souls which I have made.22

BUT IN THE CASE OF MEN IT OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF. The question was raised: Have
we here23 learnt a law or merely an execration? 'Have we here learnt a law'
as in the case where R. Huna cut off one's hand;24 'or merely an
execration'? - Come and hear what was taught: R. Tarfon said, 'If his hand
touched the membrum let his hand be cut off upon his belly'. 'But', they
said to him,25 'would not his belly be split'? 'It is preferable', he
replied, 'that his belly shall be split rather than that he should go down
into the pit of destruction'.26 Now if you concede that we have here27
learnt a law28 one can well understand why they said, 'Would not his belly
be split'; but if you maintain that we have only learnt of an execration,29
what could be meant by [the question] 'His belly be split'? - What then
would you suggest, that we have learnt here a law, would it not suffice, [it
may be objected, that the cutting off shall] not be done on his belly? - The
fact, however, is that it was this that R. Tarfon meant: Whosoever puts his
hand below his belly that hand shall be cut off. They said to R. Tarfon, 'If
a thorn stuck in his belly, should he not remove it'? 'No', he replied. 'But
[they said] would not his belly be split'?30 'It is preferable', he
replied, 'that his belly shall be split rather than that he should go down
to the pit of destruction'.26

MISHNAH. IN THE CASE OF A DEAF,31 AN IMBECILE, A BLIND OR AN INSANE32
WOMAN, IF OTHER WOMEN OF SOUND SENSES ARE AVAILABLE33 THEY ATTEND TO HER,34
AND SHE MAY THEN EAT TERUMAH.

GEMARA. Why should not a DEAF woman make her own examination, seeing that it
was taught: Rabbi stated, A deaf woman was living in our neighbourhood and
not only35 did she examine herself but her friends also on observing a
discharge would show it to her?36 - There it was a woman who could speak
but not hear while here the reference is to one who can neither speak nor
hear; as we have learnt: The deaf person of whom the Sages spoke is always37
one who can neither hear nor speak.38

A BLIND. Why should she not make her own examination and show the
testing-rag to her friend? - R. Jose son of R. Hanina replied: The 'blind'
is no part of the Mishnah.39

OR AN INSANE WOMAN. Is not this exactly the same as IMBECILE?40 This refers
to one whose mind was deranged owing to a disease.

Our Rabbis taught: A priest who is an imbecile may be ritually immersed and
then fed with terumah41 in the evening.42 He must also be watched that he
does not fall asleep.43 If he falls asleep he is deemed unclean44 and if
he does not fall asleep he remains clean. R. Eliezer son of R. Zadok ruled:
He should be provided with a leather bag.45 The Rabbis said to him: 'Would
not this cause heat all the more'? 'According to your view', he replied,
'should an imbecile have no remedy'? 'According to our view', they retorted,
'only if he falls asleep46 is he deemed unclean but if he does not fall
asleep he remains clean, while according to your view there is the
possibility that he might discharge a drop of blood of the size of a mustard
seed and this would be absorbed in the bag'.47

A Tanna taught: It was stated in the name of R. Eleazar, The imbecile is to
be provided with a metal bag. Abaye explained: It must be one of copper, as
we have learnt:48 R. Judah ruled, Those buds of hyssop49 are regarded50
as if they had been made of copper.51

R. Papa remarked: From this52 it may be inferred that breeches53 are
forbidden. But is it not written in Scripture, And thou shalt make them
linen breeches to cover the flesh of their nakedness?54 - That may be
explained as it was taught: To what were the breeches of the priests like?
They were like the knee breeches of horsemen, reaching upwards to the loins
and downwards to the thighs. They also had laces but had no padding either
back or front.55

Abaye stated:

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Original footnotes renumbered. See Structure of the Talmud Files
1.. In the direction of the body.
2.. Cf. Tosaf.
3.. Rab.
4.. Who indulges in the reprehensible practice.
5.. The practice, therefore, could only be condemned but not forbidden.
6.. Lit.,'tells him: Do so'.
7.. Lit., 'and on the morrow'.
8.. MS.M., 'Assi'.
9.. Gen. XXXVIII, 10.
10.. Ps. V, 5. analogy between the two expressions of 'evil'. Alfasi
(Shab. XIV) inserts, 'R. Eleazar said, What is meant by evil shall not
sojourn with thee? The evil (minded) man shall not sojourn in Thy dwelling'.
11.. So MS.M. and BaH. Cur. edd. and Alfasi, 'and R.'
12.. Lit., 'what'.
13.. Isa. I, 15.
14.. Ex. XX, 13.
15.. V. Yeb. 47b.
16.. Who apparently commit no crime at all.
17.. They are; while here they are merely described as delaying the advent
of the Messiah.
18.. Lit., 'by way of limbs'.
19.. Var. lec. 'Assi' (Yeb. 62a) 'Joseph' (MS.M.).
20.. The Messiah.
21.. Lit., 'Body', the region inhabited by the souls of the unborn.
22.. Isa. LVII, 16.
23.. In the expression of 'OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF'.
24.. Though the same expression (cf. prev. n.) was used. Sanh. 58b.
25.. Cur. edd. in parenthesis, 'If a thorn stuck in his belly should he
not remove it? He said to them: No'.
26.. Gehenna.
27.. In the expression of 'OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF.
28.. So that R. Tarfon's statement is to be taken literally.
29.. The 'cutting off' being a mere figure of speech.
30.. By the thorn.
31.. I.e., deaf-mute (v. Gemara infra).
32.. Lit., 'whose mind was deranged'.
33.. Lit., 'they have'.
34.. Lit., 'they prepare them', i.e., make the necessary examination and
supervise the prescribed ritual immersion.
35.. Lit., 'it was not enough'.
36.. Who was an authority on the subject, in order to obtain her opinion
on the colour whether it was that of clean or of unclean blood.
37.. Lit., 'in every place'.
38.. Hag. 2b.
39.. It is a spurious addition.
40.. Apparently it is; why then the repetition?
41.. Which is forbidden to an unclean priest.
42.. Since after due immersion one attains to cleanness at nightfall.
43.. In his sleep under his bedclothes heat might be engendered and this
would cause him to emit semen which would render him unclean and, therefore,
unfit to eat terumah.
44.. Cf. prev. n.
45.. Which can be examined for traces of semen before any terumah is given
to him.
46.. After immersion and after nightfall.
47.. Tosef. Nid. II. As it would thus be lost to sight the priest would be
regarded as clean and terumah would, as a result, be eaten by one who is in
fact unclean; and consequently an offence that is punishable by death (at
the hand of God) would unconsciously be committed.
48.. MS.M. and marg. n. Cur. edd., 'as it was taught'.
49.. Used in connection with the water of purification.
50.. When the water is measured to ascertain whether it contained
sufficient for a sprinkling (cf. supra 9a).
51.. Parah Xli, 5. Sc. as if they did not absorb any water at all; from
which it follows, in support of Abaye's explanation, that copper is a
non-absorbent.
52.. The prohibition of a bag supra on account of the heat it engenders.
53.. Such as engender heat, v. infra.
54.. Ex. XXVIII, 42.
55.. Hanging loosely round the organ the breeches could engender no heat.

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TOPIC: STUDY TALMUD WHILE MASTURBATING
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ed4860965fd8b849
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 12:59 am
From: "serwad"

R.11 Eleazar stated: Who are referred to12 in the Scriptural text, Your
hands are full of blood?13 Those that commit masturbation with their hands.

It was taught at the school of R. Ishmael, Thou shalt not commit adultery14
implies, Thou shalt not practise masturbation either with hand or with foot.

MISHNAH. IN THE CASE OF A DEAF,31 AN IMBECILE, A BLIND OR AN INSANE32
WOMAN, IF OTHER WOMEN OF SOUND SENSES ARE AVAILABLE33 THEY ATTEND TO HER,34
AND SHE MAY THEN EAT TERUMAH.

A BLIND. Why should she not make her own examination and show the
testing-rag to her friend? - R. Jose son of R. Hanina replied: The 'blind'
is no part of the Mishnah.39

OR AN INSANE WOMAN. Is not this exactly the same as IMBECILE?40 This refers
to one whose mind was deranged owing to a disease.

Abaye stated:

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TOPIC: Onanism and lies by a Delray Beach refugee 2
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f2923bad9ecde52
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 12:59 am
From: "serwad"

R.11 Eleazar stated: Who are referred to12 in the Scriptural text, Your
hands are full of blood?13 Those that commit masturbation with their hands.

It was taught at the school of R. Ishmael, Thou shalt not commit adultery14
implies, Thou shalt not practise masturbation either with hand or with foot.

MISHNAH. IN THE CASE OF A DEAF,31 AN IMBECILE, A BLIND OR AN INSANE32
WOMAN, IF OTHER WOMEN OF SOUND SENSES ARE AVAILABLE33 THEY ATTEND TO HER,34
AND SHE MAY THEN EAT TERUMAH.

A BLIND. Why should she not make her own examination and show the
testing-rag to her friend? - R. Jose son of R. Hanina replied: The 'blind'
is no part of the Mishnah.39

OR AN INSANE WOMAN. Is not this exactly the same as IMBECILE?40 This refers
to one whose mind was deranged owing to a disease.

Abaye stated:

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TOPIC: Mexico is Rich- They play American taxpayers for suckers
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/8283a66903ae7188
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 10:05 pm
From: "Stan de SD"

"Yez" <yezelel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns979C88DB2C7B3yezelel@127.0.0.1...
> Stan de SD flip flopped and wrote on alt.california:
>
> > "Yez" <yezelel@yahoo.com> wrote
> >> Stan de SD wrote on alt.california:
> >>
> >> > "Yez" <yezelel@yahoo.com> wrote...
> >> >> Just another American wrote on alt.california:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Mexican wealthy play American taxpayers for suckers
> >> >>
> >> >> So do America's wealthy, multi-national corporations and the
> >> >> military industrial machine, greed doesn't know boundries and the
> >> >> language is universal.
> >> >
> >> > America's multi-national corporations provide jobs for millions
> >> > and pay taxes. They provide something that people willingly pay
> >> > for, and pay real salaries to workers.
> >>
> >> Tish-tosh, real salaries would allow workers to buy health insurance
> >> instead of relying on the state. Further, Tyson, Halliburton,
> >> Wal-Mart are just a few of the big multi-nationals in recent memory
> >> that have had their hands slapped for exploiting undocumented
> >> workers.
> >
> > Real productive people can earn real salaries, and pay for their own
> > health care. Wal-Mart provides jobs to those who would otherwise be
> > unemployable
>
> Huh? Make up your mind dear, while you skip over the fact that they
> have been busted for hiring undocumented workers...

Where is that contradictory?

> we hear from one
> side of your face that they provide jobs that pay real salaries to
> workers

They are real salaries, paid in real money - the fact that you personally
don't think they are enough really doesn't matter.

> then out of the other side you make the patently absurd
> statement that they hire the otherwise unemployable, which is it?

You're way too ignorant to engage in such discussions, Yezelel. Better go
back to chanting your mantra of "Democrats good, Republican's bad" - it
doesn't require any thinking on your part.

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TOPIC: IRAQIS ARE UNITING IN THEIR FAITH OF ISLAM
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/4f10fffd54f245dd
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 1:08 am
From: "serwad"

The Iraqis aren't fools.
Faiza Al-Arji

Published Thursday, April 06, 2006

Friday, March 31st , 2006
Good evening...
I am still in America, for about a month now, very tired of traveling
around, moving from state to state, carrying bags, the uncomfortable sleep
during journeys, and the time-lag between the farther eastern states and the
farther western. My body is very exhausted, but the blood stained, sad news
from Iraq makes me forget my aches, and strengthen my resolve to move from
city to city, to talk about the pain and suffering of the Iraqis, for three
years now.

I can no longer remember all the details, because of the multitude of
cities, faces, activities, and the packed schedule, but I do remember our
meetings with people in churches, universities, houses, and small gatherings
in various non-governmental organizations. And I found the people
sympathetic and understanding towards the suffering of the Iraqi families;
of the bad security conditions, and the crippled daily life, for it is at
risk and with difficulty that people go about their business, send their
children to schools, go shopping, or go to a doctor. As for family visiting
or going out to a restaurant, well, those became memories of the past; for
who would take the risk of going out to visit a friend, or have a meal in a
restaurant?
The families suffer from the daily shortages of services; water,
electricity, and fuel. There aren't any rebuilding programs. There are daily
stories of millions of dollars' funds thefts, and the administrational
corruption of the government. There is a shortage in employment
opportunities, which created a high unemployment percentage among the
population, and that caused the immigration of the rich and middle class
young people from Iraq. The poor families' sons remained, to choose either
joining the Iraqi Army or Police Force, and thus become a target and a
victim to those who suspect them of being in collaboration with the
occupation, become murdering thieves and drug addicts, or become members in
the death and killing squads, or the dirty sectarian militia that is ripping
Iraq apart, aided by some who train and pay them. The Iraqis know who is
doing all that to them, but the people here do not know..
The people in the various Iraqi cities are hurting because of what is
happening in their country, being ripped apart, while they cannot do
anything to stop it. And they wonder: where is the key to solve the dilemma
of Iraq?
Is it in Washington? Or in the hands of the warring militias?
Both ways, the key is not in the hands of the Iraqi people.
Is there a catastrophe more grave than this??
After three years of the destruction and the ruin that befell our
country, the key to solve the problem is not in our hands?
Who is responsible for this; isn't it the stupid policy followed by
the American administration in Iraq?
They made the planning, and we are being destroyed, paying the price.
This is the way things are, in Iraq today.

People in Iraq usually live in mixed cities, and mixed neighborhoods.
There are some cities in which there is a bigger concentration of a sect
more than another, because of the presence of a religious shrine of that
sect, for example. The Iraqis have a historical and traditional culture
bearing a lot of tolerance and accepting the Other; marriages are mixed,
neighborhoods are mixed, schools and work locations are mixed, whether
official or private companies. Before the war, we used to tell jokes about
each other, and laugh. We say, for example:
A man went to a dentist and said: Doctor, my tooth is decayed, ((the
word ' My tooth' is written and pronounced = Sennie= Sunnie)), and the
doctor says: And is their a Sunnie who isn't decayed? Ha,ha,ha, we used to
laugh.
And in a joke about the Day of Judgment: In a graveyard, a Sunnie and
a Shia'at lay side by side, and on the Judgment Day, the Sunnie arose, but
the Shia'at said: No, not today, the Judgment Day is tomorrow for us.
Ha,ha,ha. Because it is their custom to differ from the Feast days and
Ramadan, and delay beginning them till the next day.
And we used to say: An Arab and a Kurd were sentenced to death, and
the guard came to ask them for a last request, the Kurd said: I want to see
my mother. And the Arab said: I do not want the Kurd to see his mother.
Ha,ha,ha, we used to laugh; the Arab in the joke is mean, and the Kurd
is wronged. And I used to accept that joke, tell it, we used to laugh about
it, and we are Arabs.
We all used to laugh; Sunnies and Shia'ats, Arabs and Kurds, we used
to laugh and accept one another; I am a Shia'at, my husband is a Sunnie. We
raised our children to love all the people, respect all the people, do not
discriminate between people, and hold no grudge against anyone.
Our neighbors were Arabs and Kurds, Muslims and Christians; we love
and respect them, and they love and respect us.this is how we used to live.
But Iraq today lives in a big dilemma, there isn't a place for the
neutral logicals, like us. There are some who support and finance the ugly
sectarian call, spiteful of the Other, to destroy the country.
And there are some who assassinate the voice of the logical neutrals.
All who speak with the sectarianism spirit, or say it was present
before the war, is just a fool who is destroying Iraq, knowingly, or not.
When I met Iraqi women and men here, those who are against the war and
the occupation, all were from various sorts- Muslims and Christians, Sunnies
and Shia'ats, Arabs, Kurds, and Turkman, men and women, they all spoke like
me, all their hearts burned in sadness for Iraq. We asked each other: Didn't
we live together, weren't our parents friends and neighbors, weren't we
childhood and school mates, did we ever ask: are you a Sunnie or a Shia'at?
A Kurd or an Arab?
But now, who tore Iraq apart but this ugly occupation?
The picture gets clearer when we all meet, feel that our hearts are
united, and there is one enemy targeting us, wanting to tear our unity
apart, and divide our country.
The Iraqis aren't fools, these calamities strengthen our unity and
solidarity. People in Baghdad collect donations, from all families, from all
sects and ethnics, building the demolished mosques, so that Al-Athan (= the
Islamic call for prayer) should rise and call in the Iraqi cities: Allahu
Akhbar..GOD IS Great.
This is what they want to deprive the Iraqis from hearing..
Someone out there is targeting our identity and religion, to shred
them.
The Iraqis aren't fools.

The Americans usually ask, at the end of each meeting: What can we do
to help the Iraqis?
And I usually say: Tell your friends and neighbors the truth of what
is happening in Iraq, this isn't a noble mission, do not send your sons to
war, put pressure on your government to pull the armies out of Iraq, and
stop building the bases. Do not interfere with the future of Iraq, leave
Iraq for the Iraqis.
The last time, we had two days of joint activities in various
neighborhoods inside San Francisco, we had many participants, one of them
was Scott Ritter, the Weapons Inspector in Iraq during the embargo. He spoke
to the audience about his rejection of the war since the beginning, that
Iraq had no Weapons of Mass Destruction, that this American administration
is practicing an incorrect policy in Iraq; they waged the war for false
reasons, and until now they are justifying their staying in Iraq with false
justifications.
And when people asked him-What should they do, he got angry, and
answered harshly: Don't be fools, you put this administration as a
government, don't say -someone forged the elections. You should open your
eyes and change your lives. Change your life style from relying on Oil and
its revenues that come from occupying other countries, tell your government
that you can live in austerity on your resources only, there is no need for
wars and steeling the revenues of others.
I sat in amazement, watching this angry, frank debate.
He accused them, and they refused these accusations..
I knew the truth of America here, during this month.
People here are weak, submissive, their will taken from them.
They want the change, but do not know how, or else, they are yielding
people, who lost hope in their ability to cause change. The decision in this
country is in the hands of the wealthy, who own the money, the banks, and
the giant companies, and of course- the Media, that controls the minds of
simple people.
Even the election system is controlled by money; the Candidate needs
millions of dollars for the election campaign, meaning- who would care for a
Candidate of principals, humanity, justice, and peace, who shall take care
of him, or finance his campaign?
But that who is ready to market the ideas of the rich class, the class
that loves wars and investments, will find someone to spend millions on his
campaign, will tell people all the nice promises and glamorous slogans. They
will elect him, and when he gets to the chair, and sits in the position of
decision- making, he will carry out the instructions of the major companies
that financed his campaign, not the poor Americans who elected him.
And so, people would live in one realm, and the decision- maker,
having abandoned them, would live in another.
This is the reality of things in America.
And the Iraq war is the most evident example.
There is a huge popular anger, from before the war, till now, but
people's opinion is marginalized, no one sees that opinion in the newspapers
or the media, not even give a hint about it in a petty way. It gets lost
with the tide of news, with different features about actors and athletes,
then the commercials, the weather broadcast, the financial and ecological
news. And the issue of Iraq gets lost in the jam of stories, commercials,
and empty talk.
I keep asking myself, when I see the American's sorrow and their
inability to change decisions, or influence its makers in the country: Is
this the democracy that Bush and Gondalisa Rice brag about? For which they
destroyed Iraq in order to implement?
The government is strong, rich, and opinionated about decision and
opinion, the people are poor, weak, and no one cares about them, they walk
out in demonstrations, they shout, some of them are arrested and go to jail,
others make documentary films, and talk against the government's policies.
But in result, who cares?
How many of the 350 million Americans will hear him?
And where is the decision?
The decision is in the hands of those who sit in the White House, the
Pentagon, and the Congress.
And they are as far off as can be from the ordinary citizen and his
opinion.
As far off as can be.
I felt sorry for these people.
This country is definitely living in a crisis, and the Iraq war is the
issue that revealed everything as it truly is .

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TOPIC: DO NOT MESS WITH IRAN, KIKE!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c6d79a4043be4c6e
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 1:09 am
From: "serwad"

The Iraqis aren't fools.
Faiza Al-Arji

Published Thursday, April 06, 2006

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TOPIC: MURDERING FOR FUN
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/cb5ff12b53335f74
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 1:09 am
From: "serwad"

The Iraqis aren't fools.
Faiza Al-Arji

Published Thursday, April 06, 2006

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TOPIC: WAR ON ERROR!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d04fc17d7e6f23c3
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 1:12 am
From: "serwad"

Justifying the need for the 'war on terror'
Rabble News

When freedom of speech becomes the centre of the debate, other very
important questions fail to be asked: Who speaks? Who has the power and
resources not just to speak, but also to be heard, listened to, and even
followed? Who is silenced and by whom?

April 5, 2006

The following document was written as a response to the publication in
early March of Manifesto: Together Facing the New Totalitarianism authored
by Salman Rushdie, Irshad Manji and ten others. Even though the "cartoon
controversy" is not in the news or the editorials any more, we find it
important to circulate this response to the "manifesto."

We believe that the main assumptions behind the "manifesto" as well as
the dominant Western media interpretations of the controversy are based on a
"clash of civilizations" framework which has been seeping more and more
deeply into the way Western citizens are encouraged to interpret
international relations, foreign policy and the actions and speech of
Muslims.

This framework is serving to create and stir distrust and hatred of
Muslims in Western countries and is helping to convince the people of those
countries of the justifiability of continuing the wars in Iraq and
Afghanistan and possibly of starting new wars.

In addition to legitimating racism and warmongering, the assumptions
of the "manifesto" also contribute to an aura of self-congratulation and
self-delusion in Western states which allow them to present themselves as
beacons of democracy, human rights and freedom of speech, precisely in a
period when important decisions are made in non-democratic ways; civil
rights are being limited and violated; and increased censorship and limits
to information are carried out both by the state and by corporate media.

Ironically, when the ideological war to legitimize the invasion of
Iraq has clearly been lost, we find that Islamophobia is being kept alive
and thriving in attempts to convince the public of the need to continue a
so-called "war on terror."

Several specific developments in Canada in recent weeks convince us
that there is an urgent need to examine the dominant set of assumptions
surrounding Canada's foreign policy and relations with those with Muslim
backgrounds: Attacks on Muslim students at the University of Toronto -
including specific attacks on female students on International Women's Day;
the re-defined and intensified role of Canada in Afghanistan,
enthusiastically justified and sold to the Canadian public by daily media
reports as being about building Afghan democracy; and Canada's sudden
withdrawal of aid to Palestine following the election of Hamas, celebrated
by editorials in the mainstream media as the appropriate kind of action
against a "terrorist government."

Let us shift the frame of this debate

After a lot had already been written on the cartoon controversy, a
piece was published in The Star (Toronto) on March 2 by an international
group of mostly Muslim intellectuals. Declaring Islamism as the new
totalitarian threat facing the world, the authors declare that we are now
facing a global struggle between "democrats" and "theocrats."

The primary focus of these intellectuals and much of the Western media
has been to present the notion of free speech as an abstraction -
disregarding the inequalities and the double-standard in its application. We
are concerned that this "manifesto" as well as much writing on the cartoon
controversy has been one-sided and misleading in serious ways.

We are also writing to intervene as we think there may be a need to
shift the frame of this debate altogether. The presentation of the
controversy as one between religious extremists versus free speech advocates
serves to pigeonhole the protestors into one simple category - "theocrats"
according to the manifesto - denying a voice to the diversity and complexity
of concerns expressed.

Such simplification distorts reality, helping neither with an accurate
understanding of the problem, nor with easing any tensions around it. This
way of framing the issue rather contributes to the already prevalent
stereotyping and marginalization of Muslims and can be used to justify
aggression against them nationally and internationally.

We think that the cartoon controversy is not just about freedom of
speech - certainly not in the abstract and legalistic ways that freedom of
speech is generally conceptualized. It is rather about other issues that the
Western governments and most of the Western media would choose not to
address.

While both Muslim fundamentalists and right-wing Western commentators
have preferred to frame the issue as an issue of "Muslim rage" we find it
more accurate as well as more productive, to frame it as an issue of "human
outrage." For the great majority of people who have expressed frustration,
concern and anger over the cartoons, the context that surrounds the
controversy and the real issues are the increasingly anti-immigrant and
racist environment in many Western countries and imperialism, militarism and
Western double standards in international politics.

Framing the cartoon controversy as one solely about freedom of speech
poses three significant problems. First, it mystifies and distorts the
issues that are easily understandable in other terms by presenting them as
examples of a "culture clash." It leads to a simplistic and misconceived
juxtaposition of "Western values" versus "Muslim values." Reducing the
nature of the critical response to the cartoons to "Muslim values" and
defining these as opposed to and incompatible with "Western values" makes
them appear as irrational and incomprehensible - if not outright barbaric.

As such framing places Muslim reaction to the cartoons beyond
comprehension by what is assumed to be a modern, secular "Western" mindset,
it also conveniently absolves Western states and Western societies of any
responsibility in the developments. It completely externalizes the problem
to what gets interpreted as completely "foreign" values and sensibilities.

Ghassan Hage, an Australian sociologist, has expressed in a different
context that the fear that racists and war-mongerers experience is not a
fear of the "foreigner" - as the term xenophobia implies - but rather the
fear that the "foreigner" would be recognized and acknowledged as human
beings. While a "culture clash" perspective can easily lead to the denial of
the humanity of Muslims, identifying and understanding the issue as based in
the realities of national and international politics may help us realize
that there is nothing foreign, incomprehensible or even specifically
"Muslim" about the anger and outrage over the symbolism of the cartoons.

When we recognize the intense reaction to the cartoons as representing
reactions to experiences of imperialist intervention, military aggression,
racism and humiliation, it becomes difficult to even imagine how individuals
or collectivities with "Western" values would react differently to similar
conditions and similar treatment.

The second problem is that even as the issue is framed as one about
freedom of speech, it does not address these freedoms in substantive terms
as they are experienced by most people. Most contributors to this debate
have posed the issue simply in terms of whether or not there should be any
limits to freedom of speech.

When this question becomes the centre of debate, when freedom of
speech is conceptualized in purely abstract and legalistic ways, other, very
important questions fail to be asked - questions such as: Who speaks? Who
has the power and resources not just to speak, but also to be heard,
listened to, and even followed? Who is silenced and by whom?

Seeing extremists as the only threats to freedom of speech creates the
illusion that we otherwise enjoy full and equal freedoms. Living in
societies where there is heavy concentration of ownership of most forms of
media, we need to acknowledge that even when freedom of speech is legally
available, access to the means of dissemination of ideas is largely unequal.
Treating the illusion of free speech as an already existing reality does not
help improve the cause of freedom of speech. It rather makes it appear as
hypocrisy.

If we want to discuss freedom of expression, we also need to ask the
meaning of this freedom in different contexts. There is a world of
difference, for example, between using this freedom to "speak truth to
power" to powerful economic and political forces and to "speak power to
truth" - as Rick Salutin has put it. When freedom of speech is used by
American government and neo-conservative pundits in the media to "speak
power to truth," lying their way to declaring war against Iraq; when the
dominant majority in a society abuses its power to create and spread racist
images and myths, as we have seen in the long and dirty history of
anti-Semitism, or in the present anti-Muslim sentiments, we cannot celebrate
these "freedoms" as principled and brave acts of expression.

In the Canadian context, we do not believe that most of the silencing
is done by Muslim extremists. Those of us who have concerns over the
cartoons come from a diversity of political, ethnic and religious
backgrounds. In expressing these concerns and being heard and understood
about the nature of our concerns, we feel silenced not by intimidation by
extremists, but rather by those who pose the issue as based on differences
between "Muslim values" versus "Western values" or "democrats" versus
"theocrats."

A third and final problem with the framing of the cartoon controversy
is that the narrowly framed discussion on freedom of speech does not address
these most important and ubiquitous forms of silencing that Muslims in the
Canadian diaspora experience daily and over time.

Muslims in diaspora, as well as many anti-racist and anti-imperialist
non-Muslims feel concerned, but largely silenced and powerless on a number
of issues: the wars on Iraq, Afghanistan and the ongoing occupation of
Palestine; Canada's direct and indirect participation in or passive
acceptance of these; and an escalating anti-Muslim and anti-Arab environment
which prevails everywhere from daily discourses in the media to the
interpretation and enforcement of anti-terrorist legislation, the use of
security certificates and other limitations on civil liberties.

Some participating in the debate on freedom of expression have pleaded
for respect for and sensitivity to religious beliefs. We believe, however,
that unless the real issues and concerns, and the main forms of silencing
that takes place through foreign policy and national practices of racism are
addressed, gestures of "respect" and "sensitivity" to religious beliefs
would be considered tokenistic and superficial at best.

Let us change the frame of this debate. Instead of using categories
that help racialize and demonize a people, let us develop an understanding
that would help bring about justice and peace.

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Signed:

a.. Tariq Amin-Khan, Assistant Professor, Department of Politics and
Public Administration, Ryerson University

b.. Sedef Arat-Koc, Associate Professor, Department of Politics and
Public Administration, Ryerson University

c.. Feyzi Baban, Assistant Professor, Department of Political
Studies, Trent University

d.. Abigail Bakan, Professor, Department of Political Science,
Queen's University

e.. Malcolm Blincow, Associate Professor, Department of
Anthropology, York University

f.. Mike Burke, Associate Professor, Department of Politics and
Public Administration, Ryerson University

g.. Janet Conway, Associate Professor, Department of Politics and
Public Administration, Ryerson University

h.. Enakshi Dua, Associate Professor, Women's Studies, York
University

i.. Grace-Edward Galabuzi, Assistant Professor, Department of
Politics and Public Administration, Ryerson University

j.. Ratiba Hadj-Moussa, Associate Professor, Department of
Sociology, York University

k.. Amina Jamal, Post-Doctoral Fellow, Department of Sociology,
Concordia University

l.. Mustafa Koc, Associate Professor, Department of Sociology,
Ryerson University

m.. Colin Mooers, Professor, Department of Politics and Public
Administration, Ryerson University

n.. Sherene Razack, Professor, Sociology and Equity Studies, Ontario
Institute of Studies in Education, University of Toronto

o.. Judy Rebick, Sam Gindin chair of Social Justice, Ryerson
University

p.. Kim Rygiel, Doctoral Student, Department of Political Science,
York University

q.. Mitu Sengupta, Assistant Professor, Department of Politics and
Public Administration, Ryerson University

r.. Uzma Shakir, Executive Director, South Asian Legal Clinic of
Ontario

s.. Aparna Sundar, Assistant Professor, Department of Politics and
Public Administration, Ryerson University

t.. Sunera Thobani, Assistant Professor, Women's Studies, University
of British Columbia

u.. Cynthia Wright, Sessional professor, York University

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TOPIC: Whooooooooooooooooooooo-hoooooooooooooooooooooo !!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/bbf453dcdcfdb5ce
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 10:35 pm
From: "Freight Train Jones"

X-No-Archive: Yes

satan oscillate my metallic sonatas™ ♥ wrote:
> Kentucky Fried Gerbilfrickers, anyone ?!?!?
> The newspaper said that Ukraine had failed to return 250 warheads to
> Russia in the 1990s when the former Soviet republic declared itself a
> nuclear-free zone. The paper suggested the warheads could have been
> sold to a third country, including Iran.

that bunch always runs hot and cold

better to be hot and cold than lukewarm

but missing warheads?

shoot! this is small compared to other confirmed reports of missing
nuclear materials

money money money money monaaay!!!

power power power power poooweeerrr!!!

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TOPIC: Illegal Hispanic Immigration & rally in LA
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/965a78900803abba
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 5:35 am
From: flaviaR@verizon.net

On 5-Apr-2006, "drydem" <walter_lee@my-deja.com> wrote:

> flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
>
> > > My impression is that Susan was referring to a beauty contest
> > > or atleast some sort of job (like an fashion model) where looks do
> > > matter
> >
> > No, I was just discussing life in general.
>
> Oh, yes I suppose that's true.
> Some people in their 40s are going to be
> more attractive than other people in their 20s.

Yes, this is exactly what I meant.
>
> But I would think that the same person
> (given a uniform lifestyle and environment)
> is (in general) better looking (or healthier) in their 20s than in
> their 40s.
> because of the effects of aging.

True - but then we're not dicussing different people, just the
same person at different times.
>
> Which makes me wonder what
> those young and pretty gals like
> Jessica Alba and Paris Hilton are going to look
> like in 20 years (if I should live so long to see it)?

Considering that I think Hilton is fairly unattractive *now*, I'm
*really* not looking foward to seeing her even in 10 years.
>
> Even when you're travelling at warp speed
> -- gravity has a way pulling you down ....
> Which makes me think of something I heard before...
>
> "I'm not flying, I'm falling with style." - Bud Lightspeed. :-P
>
> >
> > > but it seems to me that ZuoTung is thinking about something
> > > much different and substantially more degrading. (9_9)
> >
> > Define "substantially". :-)
> >
> > Susan
>
> Oh let's not go there shall we? (9_9)
> I want to keep my posting at a PG-13 rating. :-)

I can do explain what I was thinking & still keep it (G.
With prostitutes, where prositution is legal, at least you have an *honest*
lifestyle. Beauty contests, OTOH, pretend (and that's the most polite
word for it) that they *aren't* sexually expoitative. Part of the pretense
is the by now insane requirement that a girl entrant not have a boyfriend.

Susan, playing Devil's Advocate

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 5:36 am
From: flaviaR@verizon.net

On 5-Apr-2006, Zuo Tung <ztjt@newdeal.org> wrote:

> I can read. However, I doubt that you can. I know I'm not going to
> understand women. I'll never understand how you can take boiling hot
> wax, pour it onto your upper thigh, rip the hair out by the roots, and
> still be afraid of a spider.

If you can read, why do none of your posts

a) make any sense
b) have any bearing on what is actually being discussed
c) expose you for a childish buffoon?

well, I suppose the 3rd would happen even if you could read for content....

Susan
>
>
> flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> > On 4-Apr-2006, Zuo Tung <ztjt@newdeal.org> wrote:
> >
> >> True, but spreading your legs to anyone whose willing to pay for it has
> >> it's own definition.
> >
> > So you can't read, either, is that it?
> >
> > Susan
> >> flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> >>> On 3-Apr-2006, Zuo Tung <ztjt@newdeal.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Only if the 30 year old is a whore or a freak...
> >>> A bit of advice: advertising low standards doesn't show that you
> >>> are open-minded; it only shows that you are desperate.
> >>>
> >>> Susan
> >>>> drydem wrote:
> >>>>> flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> >>>>>> On 1-Apr-2006, "drydem" <walter_lee@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I like you already (errr, actually, not that much). You're a very
> >>>>>>>> open
> >>>>>>>> guy. Bestiality - i.e. pansexualism - is not that hip yet. I
> >>>>>>>> mentioned
> >>>>>>>> this in another thread earlier.
> >>>>>>> LOL.
> >>>>>>> "Esthetically" not "Sexually"
> >>>>>>> In your effort to be clever, your comprehension skill takes a nose
> >>>>>>> dive.
> >>>>>>> My point is that not all
> >>>>>>> not all attraction is sexual in nature.
> >>>>>> And not all 20 year old girls can beat out 30 year old women.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Susan
> >>>>> That is true also.
> >>>>>

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 10:47 pm
From: Miriam Cohen

http://www.markfiore.com/animation/phobia.html

Zuo Tung wrote:
> respect is earned, not given freely to those who do not deserve it
> because of their behavior.
>
> drydem wrote:
>
>> respect.
>>
>> Zuo Tung wrote:
>>
>>> What is the difference?
>>>
>>> drydem wrote:
>>>
>>>> Zuo Tung wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Only if the 30 year old is a whore or a freak...
>>>>
>>>> My impression is that Susan was referring to a beauty contest
>>>> or atleast some sort of job (like an fashion model) where looks do
>>>> matter
>>>> but it seems to me that ZuoTung is thinking about something
>>>> much different and substantially more degrading. (9_9)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> drydem wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1-Apr-2006, "drydem" <walter_lee@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I like you already (errr, actually, not that much). You're a
>>>>>>>>> very open
>>>>>>>>> guy. Bestiality - i.e. pansexualism - is not that hip yet. I
>>>>>>>>> mentioned
>>>>>>>>> this in another thread earlier.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LOL.
>>>>>>>> "Esthetically" not "Sexually"
>>>>>>>> In your effort to be clever, your comprehension skill takes a nose
>>>>>>>> dive.
>>>>>>>> My point is that not all
>>>>>>>> not all attraction is sexual in nature.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And not all 20 year old girls can beat out 30 year old women.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Susan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is true also.
>>>>>>
>>

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 10:48 pm
From: Miriam Cohen

http://www.markfiore.com/animation/phobia.html

flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> On 5-Apr-2006, "drydem" <walter_lee@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>
>>flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>My impression is that Susan was referring to a beauty contest
>>>>or atleast some sort of job (like an fashion model) where looks do
>>>>matter
>>>
>>>No, I was just discussing life in general.
>>
>>Oh, yes I suppose that's true.
>> Some people in their 40s are going to be
>> more attractive than other people in their 20s.
>
>
> Yes, this is exactly what I meant.
>
>>But I would think that the same person
>> (given a uniform lifestyle and environment)
>>is (in general) better looking (or healthier) in their 20s than in
>>their 40s.
>> because of the effects of aging.
>
>
> True - but then we're not dicussing different people, just the
> same person at different times.
>
>>Which makes me wonder what
>> those young and pretty gals like
>> Jessica Alba and Paris Hilton are going to look
>> like in 20 years (if I should live so long to see it)?
>
>
> Considering that I think Hilton is fairly unattractive *now*, I'm
> *really* not looking foward to seeing her even in 10 years.
>
>>Even when you're travelling at warp speed
>> -- gravity has a way pulling you down ....
>>Which makes me think of something I heard before...
>>
>> "I'm not flying, I'm falling with style." - Bud Lightspeed. :-P
>>
>>
>>>>but it seems to me that ZuoTung is thinking about something
>>>> much different and substantially more degrading. (9_9)
>>>
>>>Define "substantially". :-)
>>>
>>>Susan
>>
>>Oh let's not go there shall we? (9_9)
>>I want to keep my posting at a PG-13 rating. :-)
>
>
> I can do explain what I was thinking & still keep it (G.
> With prostitutes, where prositution is legal, at least you have an *honest*
> lifestyle. Beauty contests, OTOH, pretend (and that's the most polite
> word for it) that they *aren't* sexually expoitative. Part of the pretense
> is the by now insane requirement that a girl entrant not have a boyfriend.
>
> Susan, playing Devil's Advocate

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 10:48 pm
From: Miriam Cohen

http://www.markfiore.com/animation/phobia.html

flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> On 5-Apr-2006, Zuo Tung <ztjt@newdeal.org> wrote:
>
>
>>I can read. However, I doubt that you can. I know I'm not going to
>>understand women. I'll never understand how you can take boiling hot
>>wax, pour it onto your upper thigh, rip the hair out by the roots, and
>>still be afraid of a spider.
>
>
> If you can read, why do none of your posts
>
> a) make any sense
> b) have any bearing on what is actually being discussed
> c) expose you for a childish buffoon?
>
> well, I suppose the 3rd would happen even if you could read for content....
>
> Susan
>
>>
>>flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
>>
>>>On 4-Apr-2006, Zuo Tung <ztjt@newdeal.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>True, but spreading your legs to anyone whose willing to pay for it has
>>>>it's own definition.
>>>
>>>So you can't read, either, is that it?
>>>
>>>Susan
>>>
>>>>flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 3-Apr-2006, Zuo Tung <ztjt@newdeal.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Only if the 30 year old is a whore or a freak...
>>>>>
>>>>>A bit of advice: advertising low standards doesn't show that you
>>>>>are open-minded; it only shows that you are desperate.
>>>>>
>>>>>Susan
>>>>>
>>>>>>drydem wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 1-Apr-2006, "drydem" <walter_lee@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I like you already (errr, actually, not that much). You're a very
>>>>>>>>>>open
>>>>>>>>>>guy. Bestiality - i.e. pansexualism - is not that hip yet. I
>>>>>>>>>>mentioned
>>>>>>>>>>this in another thread earlier.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>LOL.
>>>>>>>>>"Esthetically" not "Sexually"
>>>>>>>>>In your effort to be clever, your comprehension skill takes a nose
>>>>>>>>>dive.
>>>>>>>>>My point is that not all
>>>>>>>>> not all attraction is sexual in nature.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And not all 20 year old girls can beat out 30 year old women.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Susan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That is true also.
>>>>>>>

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TOPIC: Yes-I Jew Jews,CRA,IRS-GanivGoy McVAY!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/45fce5d5bc543c30
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 5:37 am
From: flaviaR@verizon.net

On 6-Apr-2006, Harry Mazal <hmazal@txdirect.net> wrote:

> Time for someone like the "Stern Gang" to take care
> of the ganiv Scum Fatbury!!!

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TOPIC: Kerry: Two deadlines and an exit
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/71fe988e4d3d854b
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 5:38 am
From: "What Me Worry?" <__@____.___>

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> Kerry: Two deadlines and an exit
>
> Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit
>
> The International Herald Tribune - Apr 6, 2006
> http://www.iht.com/bin/print_ipub.php?file=/articles/2006/04/05/opinion/edkerry.php
>
> Op Ed:
>
> Two deadlines and an exit
>
> by John F. Kerry
> The New York Times
>
> WASHINGTON--We are now in the third war in Iraq in as many years. The
> first
> was against Saddam Hussein and his supposed weapons of mass destruction.
> The
> second was against terrorists whom, the administration said, it was better
> to fight over there than here. Now we find our troops in the middle of an
> escalating civil war.
>
> Half of the service members listed on the Vietnam Memorial Wall died after
> America's leaders knew our strategy would not work. It was immoral then
> and
> it would be immoral now to engage in the same delusion. We want democracy
> in
> Iraq, but Iraqis must want it as much as we do. Our valiant soldiers can't
> bring democracy to Iraq if Iraq's leaders are unwilling themselves to make
> the compromises that democracy requires.
>
> As our generals have said, the war cannot be won militarily. It must be
> won
> politically. No American soldier should be sacrificed because Iraqi
> politicians refuse to resolve their ethnic and political differences.
>
> So far, Iraqi leaders have responded only to deadlines - a deadline to
> transfer authority to a provisional government, and a deadline to hold
> three
> elections. Now we must set another deadline to extricate our troops and
> get
> Iraq up on its own two feet.
>
> Iraqi politicians should be told that they have until May 15 to put
> together
> an effective unity government or we will immediately withdraw our
> military.
> If Iraqis aren't willing to build a unity government in the five months
> since the election, they're probably not willing to build one at all. The
> civil war will only get worse, and we will have no choice anyway but to
> leave.
>
> If Iraq's leaders succeed in putting together a government, then we must
> agree on another deadline: a schedule for withdrawing American combat
> forces
> by year's end. Doing so will empower the new Iraqi leadership, put Iraqis
> in
> the position of running their own country and undermine support for the
> insurgency, which is fueled in large measure by the majority of Iraqis who
> want us to leave their country. Only troops essential to finishing the job
> of training Iraqi forces should remain.
>
> For this transition to work, we must finally begin to engage in genuine
> diplomacy. We must immediately bring the leaders of the Iraqi factions
> together at a Dayton accords-like summit meeting. In a neutral setting,
> Iraqis, working with our allies, the Arab League and the United Nations,
> would be compelled to reach a political agreement that includes security
> guarantees, the dismantling of the militias and shared goals for
> reconstruction.
>
> To increase the pressure on Iraq's leaders, we must redeploy American
> forces
> to garrisoned status. Troops should be used for security backup, training
> and emergency response; we should leave routine patrols to Iraqi forces.
> Special operations against Al Qaeda and other foreign terrorists in Iraq
> should be initiated only on hard intelligence leads.
>
> We will defeat Al Qaeda faster when we stop serving as its best
> recruitment
> tool. Iraqis ultimately will not tolerate foreign jihadists on their soil,
> and the United States will be able to maintain an over- the-horizon troop
> presence with rapid response capacity. An exit from Iraq will also
> strengthen our hand in dealing with the Iranian nuclear threat and allow
> us
> to repair the damage of repeated deployments, which flag officers believe
> has strained military readiness and morale.
>
> For three years now, the administration has told us that terrible things
> will happen if we get tough with the Iraqis. In fact, terrible things are
> happening now because we haven't gotten tough enough. With two deadlines,
> we
> can change all that. We can put the American leadership on the side of our
> soldiers and push the Iraqi leadership to do what only it can do: Build a
> democracy.
>
> John F. Kerry, a senator from Massachusetts, was the Democratic nominee
> for
> president in 2004.

This intelligent, sensible leader should be POTUS right now.

Diebold/ES&S/Sequoia + Corrupt Republican Machine = Public Enemy #1

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TOPIC: The New White Roses
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/417e81cb1c7fba0d
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 5:40 am
From: flaviaR@verizon.net

Thanks.
This one's a keeper.

Susan

On 6-Apr-2006, "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote:

> While Palestinian terrorism rages on, a new Arab "White Rose" - much like
> the World War II German student Nazi resistance of that name - has been
> sprouting. Not many Israelis have acknowledged its existence. But it is
> high
> time we did our bit to help this brave flower blossom.
>
> In my eighteen years living in Israel, two encounters with Arabs left me
> with indelible impressions.
>
> The first was a decade ago when my developmentally delayed daughter, a
> year
> old, was hospitalized. She had pneumonia and uncontrollable seizures and I
> was simply overwhelmed. Nurses would pop in to administer drugs and then
> vanish into thin air. The remainder of the care was up to us parents.
>
> Souaid, a university-educated Israeli Arab whose mildly epileptic baby
> shared the room, took me under her wing. Behind the scenes, she urged the
> nurses to help me out. She was direct and commanded their respect. And
> they
> obliged her. Souaid was a kind friend to me throughout her baby's
> hospitalization.
>
> On Friday evening, she and her baby disappeared from our room after
> candle-lighting. I searched the ward to no avail. Several hours later,
> they
> reappeared. Souaid explained that they'd gone to an empty room in
> deference
> to the Shabbat atmosphere and the religious fathers who were visiting with
> their children. By the time her baby was released, Souaid had shared many
> long, intimate chats with me as well as with Chavi, an ultra-orthodox
> woman
> in our room. After they had bid one another farewell, Souaid took me aside
> and said: "I can't believe it; Chavi told me I am a righteous gentile."
> "Chavi was right," I told her.
>
> Six years later, two other Arabs impacted on my life. On a hot August
> afternoon in 2001, Izzadin Al Masri brutally murdered my fifteen year old
> daughter, Malki, along with fourteen other innocent Jews. Eight children
> and
> one entire family were among the dead.
>
> Ahlam Tamimi, a Palestinian journalist, disguised herself as a secular
> Jewish tourist and escorted Al Masri through central Jerusalem while
> chatting in fluent English to dispel the suspicions of a police force on
> high alert.
>
> From an Israeli prison cell where she is now serving 16 life terms, Tamimi
> spoke a day before last week's Israeli elections. "I am not sorry for what
> I
> did," she declared. "I will get out of prison and I refuse to recognize
> Israel's existence," she added. "Discussions will only take place after
> Israel recognizes that this is Islamic land," she predicted.
>
> Several years ago Tamimi spoke with Barbara Victor, author of "Shahidas:
> The
> Female Kamikazie of Palestine" In her book, Victor writes that Tamimi who
> "didn't regret the deaths of all these children added 'They should have
> returned to Poland, Russia or the United States, to the countries their
> parents came from.'"
>
> In ending Malki's beautiful life, Al Masri and Tamimi condemned me to
> never-ending pain and longing. So I think I would be forgiven for keeping
> my
> distance from Arabs as long as I live.
>
> But the fact is I would never consider doing that. Today I hear many
> compelling Arab voices rising above the fundamentalist Islamic din. More
> and
> more courageous Arabs, both Muslim and Christian, are outspoken defenders
> of
> the United States, Israel and the Jews. After a steady diet of Muslim
> bloodshed, their messages have been pure ambrosia.
>
> The latest one of these "Souaids" - righteous gentiles all - to step into
> the spotlight is psychiatrist, Dr. Wafa Sultan. Her February debut on Al
> Jazeera has attracted over one million listeners on the internet. Sultan
> doesn't mince words. Pitted for the Al Jazeera interview against an
> Algerian
> cleric and an Egyptian professor of religious studies, she opened on the
> offensive: "The clash we are witnessing around the world is not a clash of
> religions, or a clash of civilizations. .. It is a clash between
> civilization and backwardness. between barbarity and rationality, between
> freedom and oppression. Civilizations do not clash, but compete."
>
> Dr. Sultan was born and raised in a traditional Muslim home in Syria. From
> grade-school on she was indoctrinated, by her own account, to hate Jews
> and
> Israel. After witnessing the brutal murder of her respected medical school
> professor by two Muslim Brotherhood terrorists, she abandoned her
> religious
> beliefs. Soon afterwards, she immigrated to the United States with her
> husband and children. There, studying in a California hospital, she met
> Jews
> for the first time. Before long she embarked on her fight against the
> anti-Semitism endemic in Muslim society.
>
> Sultan incensed her Al Jazeera opponents with a striking observation: "The
> Jews have come from the tragedy and forced the world to respect them, with
> their knowledge, not with their terror; with their work, not with their
> crying and yelling."
>
> Dr. Sultan joins the ranks of other Arab heroines like Noni Darwish, a
> Palestinian who moved to the United States after completing her university
> studies.
>
> Ms Darwish relates memories of her pre-school education: "A Jewish person
> was portrayed like less than human, a dog, an evil alien from outer
> space.cursed by G-d and the main mission of Islam was to get rid of Jews."
>
> Her father, a prominent military officer mobilized Palestinian forces into
> Israeli territory and was killed by the Israelis in retaliation.
> Nevertheless Darwish says, "I blame the Middle Eastern Islamic culture and
> the propaganda of hatred taught to children from birth." for his death.
>
> Brigitte Gabriel, a Christian Lebanese, was ten years old when her home
> was
> bombed by Muslims. By the age of twenty, she says, most of her friends had
> died at the hands of Islamic terrorists. Her first personal encounter with
> Jews and their compassion was when she rushed her seriously injured mother
> over the border into Israel for life-saving medical treatment.
>
> She says she was "amazed when I saw Americans waking up on September 12,
> 2001, and asking themselves "Why do they hate us?".they hate us because we
> are defined in their eyes by one simple word: "infidels" Under the banner
> of
> Islam.they murdered Jewish children in Israel, massacred Christians in
> Lebanon, killed Copts in Egypt, Assyrians in Syria, Hindus in India, and
> expelled almost 900,000 Jews from Muslim lands. We Middle Eastern infidels
> paid the price then. Now infidels worldwide are paying the price for
> indifference and shortsightedness."
>
> Gabriel defends Israel and warns of the dangers of "Islamic
> totalitarianism"
> by lecturing on American college campuses and through her organization,
> American Congress for Truth.
>
> Last month the New York Times published an op-ed by a Muslim academic at
> Yale University, Irshad Manji. Entitled: "How I Learned to Love the Wall",
> it defends the barrier's construction in much the same way as the Israeli
> government does. "Since the barrier went up", writes Manji, "suicide
> attacks
> have plunged, which means innocent Arab lives have been spared along with
> Jewish ones. Does a concrete effort to save civilian lives justify the
> hardship posed by this structure? The humanitarian in me bristles, but
> ultimately answers yes."
>
> Ms. Manji is the best-selling author of "The Trouble with Islam Today: A
> Muslim's Call for Reform in Her Faith" published in 2004. There, on her
> web-site and in international TV and radio interviews Manji crusades for
> the
> emergence of moderate Islam to counter terrorist Islam. She asserts that
> mainstream Muslims, those who do not actually engage in terrorism, are in
> denial about the role their religion plays in encouraging the bloodshed.
> She
> challenges those who "assure us that Islam is an innocent bystander in
> today
> 's terrorism" and points to the video legacies of the terrorists
> themselves - replete with Koranic quotes - as proof in point.
>
> These Christian and Muslim Arabs are more courageous and honest than many
> of
> my compatriots. Israeli reserves of these traits are sorely depleted. Too
> many of us have been, to borrow an image brought by Manji describe her own
> people, "sticking fingers in our ears and chanting 'Islam means peace'".
>
> And if one can judge from our newly elected Prime Minister, then even
> Israel
> 's leaders lack the mettle and morals of our tenacious foreign allies.
> Imagine how uplifted our enemies must have been by Ehud Olmert words
> several
> months ago. In an alarming speech to the Israel Policy Forum he conceded:
> "We are tired of fighting, we are tired of being courageous, we are tired
> of
> winning, we are tired of defeating our enemies."
>
> He is not far behind another veteran Israeli politician, Shulamit Aloni,
> who
> announced in a pre-election interview on national radio "My shame over
> being
> an Israeli grows constantly." And a Haaretz columnist, Benny Tzifir, in
> critiquing the chase, capture and arrest of a Palestinian carrying an
> explosive belt wrote "We are the ones losing our humanity".
>
> We need to extend a supportive hand to these inspirational Arab activists
> who, unlike Olmert and his cohorts, are wide awake, energetic and proud of
> Israel. We owe it both to ourselves and to them. Every one of them lives
> in
> the shadows of phone and e-mail death threats or "fatwas" from the Muslims
> they challenge. A New York Times article carelessly revealed the location
> of
> Dr. Sultan's residence. Consequently, her supporters have been canvassing
> private security firms to donate equipment and services for her
> protection.
> This is where we Jews could make a concrete donation. We can also support
> them by arranging radio and TV appearances and live speaking engagements.
>
> Representatives of Palestinian terror organizations are routinely hosted
> on
> radio and TV. But during the visit to the region that inspired her New
> York
> Times op-ed about the security fence, Manji was not interviewed even once
> by
> Israeli journalists. Is there no spare air-time for Arabs who are not
> intent
> on murdering us?
>
> The three leaders of the German White Rose, a brother and sister and
> friend,
> were arrested, tried and summarily beheaded by the Nazis in 1943. Their
> supporters were all subsequently caught and either executed or sent to
> concentration camps. Their movement's year-long struggle against barbarism
> (1942-43) never progressed beyond the hand-printing and distribution of
> anti-Nazi leaflets.
>
> We must not allow the latter-day "White Rose" to suffer the same fate.
> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21911

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TOPIC: Ataques contra rebeldes en frontera paquistaní Internacional Caracas,
jueves 06 de abril, 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/4b87ebdb232e3c7d
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 1:31 am
From: "PM"

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TOPIC: Ecuador descarta acuerdo con Pdvsa en su estrategia petrolera Economía
Caracas, jueves 06 de abril, 2006
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b2fb276f7486cbdf
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 1:31 am
From: "PM"

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TOPIC: El autor describe un problema real de 'entendimientos y mensajes' entre
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Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 1:36 am
From: "PM"

U.S.Cuba Policy; Will we get it right this time? By Alberto Luzarraga

El Cuento Chino de la Transición y la Guantanamera de la Sucesión.

Eugenio Yáñez.

El autor describe un problema real de 'entendimientos y mensajes' entre las
fuerzas armadas cubanas y los militares americanos. En ese intercambio la
ingenuidad lucha con la maldad. Después del caso Ana Belén Montes es
razonable desconfiar de la capacidad de los interlocutores del lado de los
U.S. para captar la realidad. Les han tomado el pelo por 20 años. ¿Por que
no uno más? El artículo que sigue escrito en inglés estaba dirigido a los
nativos de este país. Algunos entienden y desconfían. Nuestra misión:
Difundir ideas, informar y oponernos a MAS estupideces. Ya hemos sufrido
bastantes. Si vive en los U.S. escriba a su congresista y dígale lo que el
título del artículo que sigue:
U.S.Cuba Policy; Will we get it right this time? By Alberto Luzarraga

U.S.Cuba Policy; Will we get it right this time? By Alberto Luzarraga

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TOPIC: OLOR A CUBA
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c5b28b383a6fb3e9
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Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 10:37 pm
From: "PM"

OLOR A CUBA

¡¡Para todos los que se, tienen aún el "olor a Cuba" en su corazóon!!

En la novela de Francisco Umbral -- Trilogía de Madrid, el protagonista
el autor, mejor dicho, porque Umbral es sin duda ambos--,

habla todo el tiempo del olor que percibe, que parece perseguirlo por la
ciudad,

el olor del "arroz a la cubana". ¿Un plato típico de Cuba que no conocemos?

¡Pues no!, Umbral esta hablando del casero arroz blanco,

con huevos fritos y plátanos maduros.

¿Lo están ustedes también oliendo ahora?

Pues según él, Madrid estaba inundado en una epoca de "arroz a la cubana",
esa maravillosa combinación que en parte les debe el mérito a los
esclavos africanos, quiénes fueron, se dice, los que trajeron de su tierra
el hábito de freir los plátanos maduros.

¿Puede haber olor más cubano? Es tan dulce como su sabor mismo, y va
dejando una grata estela de recuerdos. No se equivocaba Umbral al hablar de
la intensidad de este olor esparciandose por todo Madrid en una época en que
los cubanos exiliados traían tambien en sus valijas sus olores mas queridos.

Los familiares y humanos. Como el rico olor a café recién colado, o el del
humo del tabaco en la sobremesa.

¿Olores cubanos?...

El de la tierra colorada húmeda tras un aguacero...
El del viento que arrastra los residuos de los cañaverales quemados...
El del jazmón del cabo en la noche...
El del rocío oliendo a esencia del alma...
El del frijol "colorao" y el frijol negro humeando en la cocina...
El de la carne de cerdo asándose entre hojas de guayaba o plátano...
El del mar salpicando la piel en el Malecón de La Habana...
El del agua de violeta de los bebés...
El de las sábanas almidonadas, azuleadas y planchadas de Nuestras abuelas...
El del limonero junto a la ventana, ah, en el patio...
El de la suave ternura del agua de coco...
El de los deliciosos postres que asocio a encajes, canela y vainilla...
Arroz con leche, natilla, flanes, mantecados, boniatillos, toronja en
almíbar.
El de las frituras de bacalao...
El de los moros y cristianos con un apelativo tan ajeno a la cruenta
historia...

Los niños de Cuba, ahora en tierras del exilio, no han olvidado sus olores,
sabores. Paula, mi nieta, llego a mi casa hace unos días con una botellita
escondida en su mochila, y un ruego: "Abuela, quiero que me hagas
arroz con leche como el de la señora López. Te traje la vainilla".
La señora López, la vecina de mi nieta, se alimenta todavía con los olores
traidos de Cuba, y a su vez alimenta a Paula con el espíritu de la isla.

¿A que huele Cuba? , huele diferente, supongo.
Huele distinta al resto del Caribe y, por supuesto, al resto del mundo.
Cuba huele...a Cuba. A sol y arena.

Huele a sus versos, a sus canciones.
Huele a lo que huelen los colores de la vida.
Huele a energía buena, a energía radiante.
Huele a tierra negra y tierra colorada.
Huele a sazón con ajo y cebolla y ají.
Huele a perejil sobre el pargo.

Pero sobre todo, huele a recuerdos, a tafetanes y tules, a rosas disecadas
entre los libros. Huele a Colonia 1800, a lavanda, a talcos, a romero
para ennegrecer el pelo; huele a brillantina (¿Tres flores o Palmolive?)
en el cabello de los hombres; huele a jabón Candado, huele a añil, que es
el color del cielo. Al menos a todo eso olía hace muchos años, ahora, no
se, ...pero en Madrid, en Miami, en Nueva Jersey, y en todas las casas de
cubanos exiliados por todo el mundo huele a Cuba, a la Cuba de Ayer.

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TOPIC: ABorted Fetus - OK for Stem Cell research?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 10:53 pm
From: "Non scrivetemi"

Do you consider it would be OK to use the aborted fetus' for Stem Cell
research purposes?

We would not be killing them just for that reason and it would help
mankind.

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