soc.culture.usa
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa
soc.culture.usa@googlegroups.com
Today's topics:
* Luis Posada Carriles: The CIA Protects Its Own - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6a3378935a5f4844
* Spying at Home: Bush & Co at It Again - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a4787447cb648a82
* Colombian Paramilitaries Impinge on Venez Security - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ab5c4ad4dd3c7213
* Almost 240 Victims of Iraqi Mosque Bombing - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d195c8580bc3f8
* iISRAEL FIRSTER, TRAITOR TO AMERICA - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d22a1f4e3b5be8f9
* Cuban Health News: Infant Mortality, Vaccines - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/91dc89ad5243d050
* WAR ON ERROR! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d04fc17d7e6f23c3
* Top 10 Reasons why the Senate will screw U S - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/77477b249cd0a475
* NO ONANISM AND LIES BY A DELRAY BEACH REFUGEE - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/789fc7b71af09808
* Who are the "Traditional Enemies" of Free Speech? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a8019c13f13192ca
* Sen John McCain says Americans would NOT pick lettuce even for $50/hour - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/980d9a787fba3de
* Repost: True,McVay Molests Own Daughter-See Background.- Why Allowed to Live?
- 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/37cb37d377b8398
* ANSWER FEW QUESTIONS - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6e0b88d0a08cef9e
* A Wall Is Key To Any Reform - Charles Krauthammer - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/65975b09896c0791
* WHY I DO NOT BUY BUSH LIES! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/8b8afd1c9f76f8da
* Academia's Royal Rumble - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5e52537b0f436eb5
* Buffalo New York - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6e82ed001bf00dbe
* ABorted Fetus - OK for Stem Cell research? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/633ba937608fb555
* Vicente Fox double talk - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d257ffec1d4f9f69
==============================================================================
TOPIC: Luis Posada Carriles: The CIA Protects Its Own
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6a3378935a5f4844
==============================================================================
== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 4:29 am
From: NY.Transfer.News@blythe.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
Luis Posada Carriles: The CIA Protects Its Own
Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit
Prensa Latina, Havana
http://www.plenglish.com
Luis Posada Carriles: The CIA Protects Its Own
Panama, Apr 7 (Prensa Latina) Venezuelan Legislator Adel al-Zabayar
Samara lashed out at the US double standard that pictures the
Arabs as terrorists and blocks the extradition of a confessed one.
Al-Zabayar Samara, member of the board of directors of the
Federation of Arab Entities of the Americas (FEARAB), says the case of
international criminal Luis Posada Carriles is hard evidence of
Washington's protection of CIA-related elements.
Terrorist Posada Carriles is obviously the brain and
perpetrator of the mid-flight blast of a Cubana airliner in 1976 but
knows too much about the "Company" and the Bush family, so the US must
protect him.
Al-Zayabar Samara, member of the Parliament Energy and Mining
Permanent Commission, added that extradition now depend upon the
interests behind.
"Venezuela is being held back from extraditing a confessed
assassin involved in the CIA's dirty war against Latin America, and
Central America in particular, but also against Cuba with sabotage and
attacks."
mh/emw/ft
*
================================================================
NY Transfer News Collective * A Service of Blythe Systems
Since 1985 - Information for the Rest of Us
339 Lafayette St., New York, NY 10012 http://www.blythe.org
List Archives: http://olm.blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/
Subscribe: http://olm.blythe-systems.com/mailman/listinfo/nytr
================================================================
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux)
iD8DBQFENzs4iz2i76ou9wQRAsmcAKC9CPXE5Tl+QqtjA+B8pEv8lI37AQCeO0sk
04Oznb7RPnczf1FRyuKI0aA=
=z0Eu
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
==============================================================================
TOPIC: Spying at Home: Bush & Co at It Again
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a4787447cb648a82
==============================================================================
== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 4:29 am
From: NY.Transfer.News@blythe.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
Spying at Home: Bush & Co at It Again
Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit
Prensa Latina, Havana
http://www.plenglish.com
Spying at Home: Bush & Co at It Again
Washington, Apr 7 (Prensa Latina) US Attorney General Alberto Gonzales
confirmed Friday that the Federal Government is considering expanding
the controversial internal spying by the White House in spite of the
huge criticism by the public.
Gonzales said the present Republican administration plan is to limit
the espionage to calls or e-mails originating in US territories.
Dem (CA) Adam Schiff was uncomfortable with the Attorney General´s
remarks, indicating this could suggest that the government is
continuing to monitor communications.
When the scandal broke, the White House declared the legitimacy of
internal espionage, but the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF)
brought suit against AT&T for billions of dollars for violating client
privacy in allowing the Pentagon´s Daytona Key program to monitor 300
million calls and four trillion e-mails of 25 million residential
accounts.
The US Congress has guaranteed private communication and the White
House complained that the Bush espionage plan would not be necessary
if it could reach an "information agreement" with Congress.
hr/ccs/jvj
*
================================================================
NY Transfer News Collective * A Service of Blythe Systems
Since 1985 - Information for the Rest of Us
339 Lafayette St., New York, NY 10012 http://www.blythe.org
List Archives: http://olm.blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/
Subscribe: http://olm.blythe-systems.com/mailman/listinfo/nytr
================================================================
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux)
iD8DBQFENzs3iz2i76ou9wQRAqqkAJ9W8t4zHtdmhoK1KgPNpaDbwwEwtwCgrMEu
6848oq5j69zFWZet3Si5PpA=
=wqpk
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
==============================================================================
TOPIC: Colombian Paramilitaries Impinge on Venez Security
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ab5c4ad4dd3c7213
==============================================================================
== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 4:29 am
From: NY.Transfer.News@blythe.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
Colombian Paramilitaries Impinge on Venez Security
Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit
Prensa Latina, Havana
http://www.plenglish.com
Colombian Paramilitary Activity Affects Venezuelan Security
Caracas, Apr 7 (Prensa Latina) The process to dismantle Colombian
paramilitary groups is affecting security in Venezuela, which has
witnessed recent cases of abduction and kidnapping.
At least 590 members of the Catatumbo Front have pushed over
the border, especially in provinces bordering with Colombia, according
to statements by Deputy Iris Varela, of the Fifth Republic Movement, in
a meeting of the National Assembly to discuss the issue of violence.
Attorney General Isaias Rodriguez, one of whose bodyguards was
slain recently, asserted plans were in motion to murder him.
Rodriguez referred to people with a Venezuelan accent,
according to phone talks, that could be behind the kidnapping and
assassination of three teenage brothers and their driver on February 23.
Nicolas Maduro, president of the National Assembly, said the
infiltration of Colombian paramilitary troops was not a spontaneous
phenomenon but a plan to destabilize the government of President Hugo
Chavez.
Venezuelan experts have spoken about the "kidnapping industry,"
which did not exist previously but has cropped up at border territories.
Communist Party Deputy Oscar Figueras asserted Colombian
paramilitary forces in Venezuela initially connected with criminals and
corrupt police and later started operations.
Media reports said Italian-Venezuelan businessman Filippo
Sindoni, recently abducted and assassinated, had received death threats
from a paramilitary group.
A source that wished to remain anonymous stated Sindoni
presumed those threats came from a Colombian group hired by businessmen
opposing Chavez.
mh/ecq/ml/mf
*
================================================================
NY Transfer News Collective * A Service of Blythe Systems
Since 1985 - Information for the Rest of Us
339 Lafayette St., New York, NY 10012 http://www.blythe.org
List Archives: http://olm.blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/
Subscribe: http://olm.blythe-systems.com/mailman/listinfo/nytr
================================================================
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux)
iD8DBQFENzs5iz2i76ou9wQRAkpfAKC8rVhB0tD6Hys7MftyCCLJS0vRjwCfVsYE
Tep953jxNl5ljzKdM8ayBbw=
=LEV0
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
==============================================================================
TOPIC: Almost 240 Victims of Iraqi Mosque Bombing
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d195c8580bc3f8
==============================================================================
== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 4:29 am
From: NY.Transfer.News@blythe.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
Almost 240 Victims of Iraqi Mosque Bombing
Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit
Prensa Latina, Havana
http://www.plenglish.com
Iraqi Mosque Victims Reach 239
Baghdad, Apr 7 (Prensa Latina) At least 79 people were killed and
another 179 wounded in a triple bomb attack at key Shiite Buratha
Mosque in northern Baghdad´s Utaifiyah neighborhood, official sources
report.
The assailants were dressed as women, according to versions which
indicated that the attacks took place as worshippers were leaving
after Friday prayers.
The mosque's imam, Sheikh Jalaluddin al-Saghir, also one of the main
leaders of the Shiite coalition that won the previous elections, said
one assailant entered the mosque through the women's security
checkpoint and blew himself up, while a second rushed into the mosque
courtyard, and a third to his office before detonating themselves.
The Buratha Mosque is linked to the Supreme Council for the Islamic
Revolution in Iraq, the main Shiite party.
Baghdad official Salah Abelrazaq told Al Iraqiya TV that "those behind
the attack are trying to plunge the country into a sectarian
conflict."
hr/ccs/rma/mt
*
================================================================
NY Transfer News Collective * A Service of Blythe Systems
Since 1985 - Information for the Rest of Us
339 Lafayette St., New York, NY 10012 http://www.blythe.org
List Archives: http://olm.blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/
Subscribe: http://olm.blythe-systems.com/mailman/listinfo/nytr
================================================================
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux)
iD8DBQFENzs3iz2i76ou9wQRAgmJAKCvX/WCZCcm+FwznMPCixzxtCcZ8gCgucnK
VEj/0vfaMqxJkp4NkPYF5eU=
=bpnN
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
==============================================================================
TOPIC: iISRAEL FIRSTER, TRAITOR TO AMERICA
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d22a1f4e3b5be8f9
==============================================================================
== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 12:30 am
From: "serwad"
Vice President Dick Cheney's former top aide told prosecutors that President
Bush authorized a leak of sensitive intelligence information about Iraq,
according to court papers filed by prosecutors in the CIA leak case.
The filing by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald also describes Cheney
involvement in I. Lewis Libby's communications with the press.
There was no indication in the filing that either Bush or Cheney authorized
Libby to disclose Valerie Plame's CIA identity. But it points to Cheney as
one of the originators of the idea that Plame could be used to discredit her
husband, Bush administration critic Joseph Wilson.
Before his indictment, Libby testified to the grand jury investigating the
CIA leak that Cheney told him to pass on prewar intelligence on Iraq and
that it was Bush who authorized the disclosure, the court papers say.
According to the documents, the authorization led to the July 8, 2003,
conversation between Libby and New York Times reporter Judith Miller. In
that meeting, Libby made reference to the fact that Wilson's wife worked for
the CIA.
According to Fitzgerald's court filing, Cheney, in conversation with Libby,
raised the question of whether a CIA-sponsored trip by Wilson "was
legitimate or whether it was in effect a junket set up by Mr. Wilson's
wife."
The disclosure in documents filed Wednesday means that the president and the
vice president put Libby in play as a secret provider of information to
reporters about prewar intelligence on Iraq.
Presidential spokesman Scott McClellan said Thursday the White House would
have no comment on the ongoing investigation. At a congressional hearing,
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said the president has the "inherent
authority to decide who should have classified information."
Libby is asking for voluminous amounts of classified information from the
government in order to defend himself against five counts of perjury,
obstruction and lying to the FBI in the Plame affair.
He is accused of making false statements about how he learned of Plame's CIA
employment and what he told reporters about it.
Bush's political foes jumped on the revelation about Libby's testimony.
"The fact that the president was willing to reveal classified information
for political gain and put the interests of his political party ahead of
America's security shows that he can no longer be trusted to keep America
safe," Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean said.
Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said, "The more we hear, the more it is clear
this goes way beyond Scooter Libby. At the very least, President Bush and
Vice President Cheney should fully inform the American people of any role in
allowing classified information to be leaked."
Libby's testimony indicates both the president and the vice president
authorized leaks. Bush and Cheney both have long said they abhor that
practice, so much so that the administration has put in motion criminal
investigations to hunt down leakers.
The most recent instance is the administration's launching of a probe into
who disclosed to The New York Times the existence of the warrantless
domestic surveillance program.
The authorization involving intelligence information came as the Bush
administration faced mounting criticism about its failure to find weapons of
mass destruction in Iraq, the main reason the president and his aides had
given for going to war.
Libby's participation in a critical conversation with Miller on July 8, 2003
"occurred only after the vice president advised defendant that the president
specifically had authorized defendant to disclose certain information in the
National Intelligence Estimate," the papers by Special Counsel Patrick
Fitzgerald stated. The filing did not specify the "certain information."
"Defendant testified that the circumstances of his conversation with
reporter Miller - getting approval from the president through the vice
president to discuss material that would be classified but for that
approval - were unique in his recollection," the papers added.
Plame's husband, a former U.S. ambassador, said the administration had
twisted prewar intelligence to exaggerate the Iraqi threat from weapons of
mass destruction.
After Wilson publicly attacked the administration on Iraq on July 6, 2003,
"Vice President Cheney, defendant's immediate superior, expressed concerns
to defendant regarding whether Mr. Wilson's trip was legitimate or whether
it was in effect a junket set up by Mr. Wilson's wife," the papers said.
After a 2002 CIA-sponsored trip to Africa, Wilson said he had concluded that
Iraq did not have an agreement to acquire uranium yellowcake from Niger.
Libby spoke to Miller on July 8, 2003, and Fitzgerald's filing identifies
Cheney as being instrumental in having Libby speak again four days later to
Miller as well as to Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper regarding Wilson. In
all three conversations, Libby told the reporters about Wilson's wife, both
Miller and Cooper have testified.
Her CIA status was publicly disclosed by conservative columnist Robert Novak
eight days after her husband accused the Bush administration of twisting
prewar intelligence to exaggerate the Iraqi threat from weapons of mass
destruction.
Libby says he needs extensive classified files from the government to
demonstrate that Plame's CIA connection was a peripheral matter that he
never focused on, and that the role of Wilson's wife was a small piece in a
building public controversy over the failure to find WMD in Iraq.
Fitzgerald said in the new court filing that Libby's requests for
information go too far and the prosecutor cited Libby's own statements to
investigators in an attempt to limit the amount of information the
government must turn over to Cheney's former chief of staff for his criminal
defense.
The court filing was first disclosed by The New York Sun.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 9:42 pm
From: "Jim E"
"serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:yXGZf.496$zh1.236@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>
> Vice President Dick Cheney's former top aide told prosecutors that
> President Bush authorized a leak of sensitive intelligence information
> about Iraq, according to court papers filed by prosecutors in the CIA leak
> case.
>
Cite , you senile old communist pile of crap.
Jim E
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 2:45 pm
From: "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com>
"Jim E" <YD652126@sea.edu> wrote in message
news:49ot99FpkgjaU1@individual.net...
>
> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:yXGZf.496$zh1.236@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> Vice President Dick Cheney's former top aide told prosecutors that
>> President Bush authorized a leak of sensitive intelligence information
>> about Iraq, according to court papers filed by prosecutors in the CIA
>> leak case.
>>
>
>
> Cite , you senile old communist pile of crap.
Try the news stories last night, dopey.
Scooter has ratted on his boss.
>
>
> Jim E
>
==============================================================================
TOPIC: Cuban Health News: Infant Mortality, Vaccines
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/91dc89ad5243d050
==============================================================================
== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 4:29 am
From: NY.Transfer.News@blythe.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
Cuban Health News: Infant Mortality, Vaccines
Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit
Radio Havana Cuba
http://www.radiohc.cu
Cuba Launches Second Stage of Anti Polio Vaccination Campaign
Havana, April 7 (RHC-PL)--Cuba began on Friday immunizing 524 000
children in the second stage of the anti-polio campaign as the island
commemorats World Health Day.
Nearly 400,000 under three-year-olds, already vaccinated in February,
will receive a second shot along with 140,000 nine year-olds who will
have their vaccinations reactivated.
The antigen has been administered to more than eight million people in
the past decades.
According to the World Health Organization, although global polio
cases dropped from 350,000 in 1988 to 1,180 in 2004, they increased
anew last year.
In 1962, Cuba became the first nation in the continent declared a
polio-free territory. The disease is caused by a virus that invades
the nervous system causing atrophy and paralysis.
***
Prensa Latina, Havana
http://www.plenglish.com
Cuba Reduces Infant Mortality to 5.3/1,000
Havana, Apr 7 (Prensa Latina) Cuba reduced infant mortality in the
first quarter of 2006 to 5.3 for each 1,000 born alive, down from the
same period in 2005 when it reported 6.2 per 1,000 live births, Cuban
health officials reported Friday.
Maria Cecilia Santana, director of Cuban Public Health Ministry´s
(MINSAP) Maternal Infant Department, pointed out that this reduction
was thanks to the work of all forces of Cuban society.
Santana, a deputy and member of Cuban Assembly's Health and Sports
Committee, said the indicator is formed by several components, from
climatic to technical.
She highlighted the joint work of MINSAP technicians and society for
giving every child and every woman differentiated attention.
The Cuban specialist said that among the main challenges of the MINSAP
program are adequate use of human resources and training to respond to
the specific situation in each place.
hr/ccs/tac/acl
*
================================================================
NY Transfer News Collective * A Service of Blythe Systems
Since 1985 - Information for the Rest of Us
339 Lafayette St., New York, NY 10012 http://www.blythe.org
List Archives: http://olm.blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/
Subscribe: http://olm.blythe-systems.com/mailman/listinfo/nytr
================================================================
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux)
iD8DBQFENzs4iz2i76ou9wQRAuy3AJ0dESxChnzF0TfuxHcWywzLPdW0WACeMBJC
f30GhLDlsUH8NTbsdrH9zY0=
=WgVD
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
==============================================================================
TOPIC: WAR ON ERROR!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d04fc17d7e6f23c3
==============================================================================
== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 12:32 am
From: "serwad"
<xgarievas@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1144414190.454202.66110@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> THATS WHAT THE ARABS DOING FOR THE CENTURIES THEY KNEW THE WAR IS LOST
> BUT YOU HAVE TO KNOW THE ARABS MADNESS!
Do you know a war that Arabs lost, arsehole? jew propaganda
nothwithstanding!
==============================================================================
TOPIC: Top 10 Reasons why the Senate will screw U S
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/77477b249cd0a475
==============================================================================
== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 9:33 pm
From: "Phil Scott"
--
Phil Scott
Ideas are bullet proof.
"Zadok" <nobler@accesswave.ca> wrote in message
news:DBeZf.32110$Ph4.16766@edtnps90...
>
> "Hank" <arminius@mail.cybertrails.com> wrote in message
> news:cp5a32hk8kanhf1kq8r819k075f5msval8@4ax.com...
>> On 6 Apr 2006 05:12:33 -0700, johnwesley55@lycos.com wrote:
>
> You forgot the NUMBER ONE REASON!!
>
> AMERIKA was dumb enough to elect these clowns!!
>
> There is an old saying, you get what you deserve!!
Stupidity is part of a nations life cycle near the end,
accelerated by various vested interests who do better when
their customers or voting base is in the dark.
Robert Openheimer wrote a book about that and some of the
deliberate causes as he saw them in his book, The Open Mind,
published a few years he finished his work on the atomic bomb
(later black listed because he questioned its use on civilian
populations).
Phil Scott
>
>
==============================================================================
TOPIC: NO ONANISM AND LIES BY A DELRAY BEACH REFUGEE
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/789fc7b71af09808
==============================================================================
== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 2:37 pm
From: "Bloggs"
"NefeshBarYochai" <tachnan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1144423765.251613.71080@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Don't worry about erections serwad. You need to concentrate on
> drinking some liter fluid.
I don't think you're very bright Mister Yochai.
>
==============================================================================
TOPIC: Who are the "Traditional Enemies" of Free Speech?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a8019c13f13192ca
==============================================================================
== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 4:38 am
From: Ariadne
On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:29:19 -0500, in soc.culture.australian "Faris Jawad" <ana_faris_bila_jawad@hotmail.com> wrote:
Who are the "Traditional Enemies" of Free Speech?
Anti-Defamation League (ADL), USA
Anti-Nazi League
Australian Government
Australian Anti-Defamation Commission
Board of Deputies of British Jews
its Community Security Trust
Center for Democratic Renewal, Atlanta
Canadian Jewish Congress
Canadian ... B'nai Brith
Coalition for Human Dignity, Oregon
German Government
Jewish Telegraph Agency
New Zealand Government
Searchlight and Gerald Gable
Simon Wiesenthal Center
Surfwatch Internet censorship
Click here for more details
http://www.fpp.co.uk/menus/traditionals.html
If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit www.freedomsite.org
Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
is a revolutionary act."
(George Orwell)
David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)
"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant
Posted by:
Patrick Lee Humphrey
7500 Bellerive #1807
Houston, Texas 77036-3040
1-713-266-7764
Steven Horn (KCOM)
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
together with
Boris Dynin <boris@sonic.net> = NAMBLA executive &
Henry<hermcam@mindspring.com>
CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even
VISIT me at:
55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco 94132
We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.
Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431
As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material
should give an indication as to the why.
"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]
Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!!
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just
to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.
Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
Email me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially late nights.
Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787 or
send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
work:(780)492-0473
And also: George Firestone: "George" <firestone@hemisphere.com>,
and davejoll@ihug.co.nz.
Here is Fag Rianin's own web page: http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!
For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com
Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!
Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.
They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.
As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.
In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
for many years around the world.
Reply-To: "George" <firestone@hemisphere.com>,<firestone@bellsouth.net>
or to Ariadne@mac.hush.com, or Ariadne.mac@gmail.com
Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex, homosexuals and the like.
==============================================================================
TOPIC: Sen John McCain says Americans would NOT pick lettuce even for $50/hour
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/980d9a787fba3de
==============================================================================
== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 4:40 am
From: laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/mccain_booed;_ylt=AlyKSXpsPd8j8B21EdKUAwas0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--
Union Leaders Boo McCain on Immigration By RON FOURNIER, AP Political
Writer ------- Tue Apr 4, 9:57 PM ET
(snip)
McCain responded by saying immigrants were taking jobs nobody else
wanted. He offered anybody in the crowd $50 an hour to pick lettuce in
Arizona.
Shouts of protest rose from the crowd, with some accepting McCain's
job offer.
"I'll take it!" one man shouted.
McCain insisted none of them would do such menial labor for a complete
season. "You can't do it, my friends."
(snip)
==============================================================================
TOPIC: Repost: True,McVay Molests Own Daughter-See Background.- Why Allowed to
Live?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/37cb37d377b8398
==============================================================================
== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 10:41 pm
From: Harry Mazal
Pass on, and repost!
On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 20:38:55 -0700, Ernst Zundholtz
<ErnstZundholtz@veritas.net> wrote:
Did someone give McVay AIDS, because he molested his girl?
>On 5 Oct 2004 19:16:20 -0000, Ken Lewis wrote:
>
>>From: knight@indystart.com (Black Knight)
>>Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,can.general,alt.homosexual
>>Subject: Re: NIZKOR MUST OF FAILED; LOOK WHAT McVAY DOES NOW FOR MONEY
>>Date: 13 Oct 2002 06:18:15 -0700
>>
>>Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message
>>news:<1e95dbd5bc56bcd37a9cdd94346cd061@dizum.com>...
>>> On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:10:07 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio wrote:
>>
>>> >His ex-wife got custody of Lisa as a result. McVay's fixation with porn
>>> >movies and downloading naked children photos from the internet could of
>>> >been a contributing factor. Call McVay at 1-250-616-9431 or write him at
>>> >P.O. Box 244, Station A; Nanaimo, B.C. V9R 5K9 Canada and ask him why he
>>> >is a child molester pedophile.
>>
>>From: Henry <hermcam@mindspring.com>
>>Newsgroups: soc.culture.usa,alt.revisionism,can.general
>>Subject: Will a Revisionist steal your identity too?
>>Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 10:20:08 -0500
>>===============================================================
>>
>>Lisa McVay-Henske wrote:
>>
>>> My mother left my father before he could have Jamie McCarthy move
>>> in. It was one of the best moves my mother ever made. My father and
>>> Jamie parted ways and then father latched on to Jay Winkler and they
>>> became quite an item and a trendy couple. Jay died from AIDS recently
>>> and surprisingly my father has not succumbed to AIDs though I wish
>>> he would. I hate his god damned guts and I wish he would die. Only
>>> if my father would of got some mental health care. Dad always seemed
>>> to leer when a handsome man would enter the room. Anytime a man would
>>> pay attention to me my father would get jealous. I thought he got
>>> green eyed because he wanted more attention on account of being the
>>> director of his Nizkor Project. Now I realize it was a lustful jealousy
>>> and he hated me because men would rather go to bed with me than with him.
>>> His deranged fits of jealousy often resulted in his whipping me till
>>> I had stripes and welts all over me before he would stop. Hell hath no
>>> fury than a homosexual man being kept from a new quest I guess.
>>
>>
>>
>>> PHOTO OF SEXUAL PERVERT AND SADIST KEN MCVAY
>>> http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
>>
>>> HOMOSEXUAL EXCORT SERVICE RUN BY KEN MCVAY
>>
>>> Date: 12 Oct 2002 04:18:28 -0000
>>> From: Lance's Escorts <hermcam@mindspring.com>
>>> Subject: CALL NOW! Male escorts for lonely men
>>
>>> Are you over the hill; or a little bit old?
>>> Are you over the belt; or flabby and obese?
>>> Are you unattractive and a recluse?
>>
>>> All of the above does not matter! Our escorts
>>> do not care and they are professionals.
>>
>>> Don't go to the next NAMBLA function or Gay Pride Parade solo.
>>> CALL LANCE'S ESCORTS NOW!!!
>>
>>> * All escorts eighteen and nineteen years old
>>> * All escorts regularly screened for HIV
>>> * Guaranteed protection of privacy
>>> * Expanding for full coverage of Canada and USA
>>
>>> Call to see if your city is included in our growing coverage
>>> Call for an interview to become one of Lance's Escorts in your area
>>
>>> Western branch
>>> 1-250-616-9431
>>
>>> or
>>
>>> Eastern branch
>>> 1-416-789-5691
>>
>>> LEGAL NOTICE
>>
>>> Lance's Escorts is not a male prostitute service.
>>> We provide male companions for homosexual men who
>>> through no fault of their own can't get a companion
>>> for social functions.
>>
>>> Any sexual acts a Lance Escort may perform on a customer
>>> is the escort's sole responsibility.
>>Bruno
>>
>>
>>Is it true that McVay has been convicted 3 times
>>in the US for molesting infants?
>>
>>What did his sexual aberations play in his divorce in Nanaimo,Canada?
>>In article <26f0f0a37f7103ef1d87c956725ca6c3@dizum.com>,
>> Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We give thanks to Mr. David Michael for his research into
>>> Ken McVay's marriage and divorce. Now we have a starting point
>>> to find out where McVay lives because those divorce papers
>>> will have specifics on them. McVay could of gotten away with his
>>> shenanigans if he would of left well enough alone.
>>
>>> We are going to reveal more about McVay's drug habits, his
>>> alcoholism, his wife beating, his molesting his teen aged daughter,
>>> and his letting other men molest his pre-teen daughter so McVay
>>> could exact bisexual favors from the men molesting his daughter.
>>> We are going to prove Ken McVay would let other men molest his
>>> daughter in exchange for McVay getting to perform sex acts with
>>> those men.
>>
>>> We are going to make Ken McVay's life a veritable living hell.
>>> We may even drive him to suicide when we are finished with him.
>>Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
>>
>>What were the real reasons for Mrs. McVay divorcing Ken McVay?
>>What connection/part did daughter Lisa play in the divorce?
>>
>>Is McVay such a disgusting criminal, that he supported
>>the kiddie porn distributor from the Halifax synagogue?
>>
>>What other crimes, besides Income Tax Fraud in both
>>the US and Canada has McVay been convicted of?
>>
>>Is McVay, like the Rabbis in the US, another drug dealer?
>>
>>These are some of the questions McVay needs to answer.
>>
>>Obviously his former employers have some of the answers,
>>which is why the former gas station attendant is no
>>longer getting paid by jew organisations since January.
>>Even respectable jews don't want to be associated with
>>filth like McVay, or whatever his real name is.
>>
>>How soon until BNAI BRITH dumps all connections with
>>the child molester McVay, operating Nizkor as a one-fag business?
>>
>>
>>http://www.nizkor.org/encouragements/bootboy.html
>><start quote>
>>
>>This crudely assembled and executed compliment to The Nizkor Project,
>>created by a Skinhead calling himself "Bootboy," appeared in 1995 at
>>a web site in Texas: "WARNING! There is a confessed child-molester who
>>goes by the name of Ken McVay who frequents these news groups. It is
>>not worth the time to read all the crap this piece of sub-human filth
>>posts, however a visit to his web page might prove interesting. NOT!"
>>
>><end quote>
>>
>>As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
>>called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material
>>should give an indication as to the why.
>>
>>"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
>>proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
>>yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
>>seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
>>my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
>>moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
>>http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
>>also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]
>>
>>
>>Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he look like
>>a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
>>even if he or she were not naked"?
>>
>>http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
>>
>>
>>The greater majority of child molesters also have the same unkempt
>>appearence too and this is due to their own lack of self esteem. It
>>is the manifested lack of self esteem which drives people such as
>>McVay to engage in the sordid lifestyles they engage in. McVay can't deal with
>>mature women thus he does what he does and takes it as a compliment when
>>someone points out he's a child molester.
>>[McVay will have homosexual relations with adult men however.]
>>
>>Links to the confessed child-molester's web site and source of funding;
>>The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org
>>http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html
If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit www.freedomsite.org
Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
is a revolutionary act."
(George Orwell)
David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)
"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant
<se@deprogrammer.org> wrote:
HENRY FORD (The Dearborn Independent, 12-19 February 1921): Jews have
always controlled the business. . . The motion picture influence of
the United States and Canada . . . is exclusively under the control,
moral and financial, of the Jewish manipulators of the public mind.
At one time, anti-Semites were considered to be people who did not like Jews.
Now, anti-Semites are people whom the Jews don't like. Jews use the term as a
weapon to smear people who for one reason or another they don't like. They use
it to keep politicians in line who might otherwise stray from the Jewish
agenda and they use it to label revisionists as 'holocaust deniers' I have
been "branded by the Jews" and am proud to be in the esteemed company of the
following:
T.S. Eliot; Norman Finkelstein; Father Coughlin;
John Wayne; Joseph P. Kennedy; Charles Lindburgh;
George Lincoln Rockwell; Marlon Brando; Robert Mitchum;
Richard Nixon; Henry Ford Sr.; Walt Disney; David Irving;
H.L. Mencken; Kurt Waldheim; Napoleon; Bismarck; Claudis;
Voltaire; George Ball; Israel Shahak; Joe Sobran; Gerald L.K. Smith;
Karl Marx; William Dudley Pelley; Cicero; Heinriche Heine;
Oswald Mosley; Rowland Evans; Robert Novak; Anthony Lewis; Charles Dickens;
Patrick Buchanan; Benjamin Friedman; Martin Luther; Mahomet;
Bruno Bauer; Elizabeth Dilling; Senator Burton Wheeler
If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit www.freedomsite.org
Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
is a revolutionary act."
(George Orwell)
David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'
"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)
"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant
Posted by:
Patrick Lee Humphrey
7500 Bellerive #1807
Houston, Texas 77036-3040
1-713-266-7764
Steven Horn (KCOM)
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576
together with
Boris Dynin <boris@sonic.net> = NAMBLA executive &
Henry<hermcam@mindspring.com>
CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even
VISIT me at:
55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco 94132
We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.
Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431
As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material
should give an indication as to the why.
"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]
Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!!
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just
to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.
Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
Email me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially late
nights.
Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787 or
send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
work:(780)492-0473
And also: George Firestone: "George" <firestone@hemisphere.com>
Here is Fag Rianin's own web page: http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!
For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com
Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!
Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.
They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.
As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.
In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
for many years around the world.
Reply-To: "George" <firestone@hemisphere.com>
_________________________________________
Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server
More than 140,000 groups
Unlimited download
http://www.usenetzone.com to open account
==============================================================================
TOPIC: ANSWER FEW QUESTIONS
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6e0b88d0a08cef9e
==============================================================================
== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 9:43 pm
From: "Jim E"
"serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:hTGZf.483$zh1.374@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> Unanswered questions
>
> The reflexive first reaction is incredulity
Whenever confronting one of your silly ass posts full of buffalo dung.
Jim E
==============================================================================
TOPIC: A Wall Is Key To Any Reform - Charles Krauthammer
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/65975b09896c0791
==============================================================================
== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 11:43 pm
From: Just another American
http://townhall.com/opinion/columns/charleskrauthammer/2006/04/07/192806.html
A wall is key to any reform
Apr 7, 2006
by Charles Krauthammer
WASHINGTON -- Every sensible immigration policy has two objectives:
(1) to regain control of our borders so that it is we who decide who enters,
and (2) to find a way to normalize and legalize the situation of the 11 million
illegals among us.
Start with the second. No one of good will wants to see these 11
million suffer. But the obvious problem is that legalization creates
an enormous incentive for new illegals to come.
We say, of course, that this will be the very last, very final,
never-again, we're-not-kidding-this-time amnesty. The problem is that
we say exactly the same thing with every new reform. And everyone
knows it's phony.
What do you think was said when in 1986 we passed the Simpson-Mazzoli
immigration reform? It turned into the largest legalization program in
American history -- nearly 3 million got permanent residency. And we
are now back at it again with 11 million new illegals in our midst.
How can it be otherwise? We already have a river of people coming
every day knowing they're going to be illegal and perhaps even
exploited. They come nonetheless. The newest amnesty -- the ``earned
legalization'' now being dangled in front of them by proposed Senate
legislation -- can only increase the flow.
Those who think employer sanctions will control immigration are
dreaming. Employer sanctions were the heart of Simpson-Mazzoli. They
are not only useless, they are pernicious. They turn employers into
enforcers of border control. That is the job of government, not
landscapers.
The irony of this whole debate, which is bitterly splitting the
country along partisan, geographic and ethnic lines, is that there is
a silver bullet that would not just solve the problem but also create
a national consensus behind it.
My proposition is the following: a vast number of Americans who oppose
legalization and fear new waves of immigration would change their
minds if we could radically reduce new -- i.e., future -- illegal
immigration.
Forget employer sanctions. Build a barrier. It is simply ridiculous to
say it cannot be done. If one fence won't do it, then build a second
100 yards behind it. And then build a road for patrols in between. Put
cameras. Put sensors. Put out lots of patrols.
Can't be done? Israel's border fence has been extraordinarily
successful in keeping out potential infiltrators who are far more
determined than mere immigrants. Nor have very many North Koreans
crossed into South Korea in the last 50 years.
Of course it will be ugly. So are the concrete barriers to keep truck
bombs from driving into the White House. But sometimes necessity
trumps aesthetics. And don't tell me that this is our Berlin Wall.
When you build a wall to keep people in, that's a prison. When you
build a wall to keep people out, that's an expression of sovereignty.
The fence around your house is a perfectly legitimate expression of
your desire to control who comes into your house to eat, sleep and use
the facilities. It imprisons no one.
Of course, no barrier will be foolproof. But it doesn't have to be. It
simply has to reduce the river of illegals to a manageable trickle.
Once we can do that, everything becomes possible -- most especially,
humanizing the situation of our 11 million existing illegals.
If the government can demonstrate that it can control future
immigration, there will be infinitely less resistance to dealing
generously with the residual population of past immigration. And, as
Mickey Kaus and others have suggested, that may require that the two
provisions be sequenced. First, radical border control by physical
means. Then shortly thereafter, radical legalization of those already
here. To achieve national consensus on legalization, we will need a
short lag time between the two provisions, perhaps a year or two, to
demonstrate to the skeptics that the current wave of illegals is
indeed the last.
This is no time for mushy compromise. A solution requires two acts of
national will: the ugly act of putting up a fence and the supremely
generous act of absorbing as ultimately full citizens those who broke
our laws to come to America.
This is not a compromise meant to appease both sides without achieving
anything. It is not some piece of hybrid legislation that arbitrarily
divides illegals into those with five-year-old ``roots" in America and
those without, or some such mischief-making nonsense.
This is full amnesty (earned with back taxes and learning English and
the like) with full border control. If we do it right, not only will
we solve the problem, we will get it done as one nation.
========================
Charles Krauthammer is a 1987 Pulitzer Prize winner, 1984 National
Magazine Award winner, and a columnist for The Washington Post since
1985.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
CLICK BELOW FOR MEXICAN INVADER VIDEO
http://tinyurl.com/pqzpe
-------------------------------------------------------------------
==============================================================================
TOPIC: WHY I DO NOT BUY BUSH LIES!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/8b8afd1c9f76f8da
==============================================================================
== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 9:44 pm
From: "Jim E"
"serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:XOGZf.470$zh1.
Because you lack the two cents ?
==============================================================================
TOPIC: Academia's Royal Rumble
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5e52537b0f436eb5
==============================================================================
== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 12:45 am
From: "serwad"
"DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
news:JFAZf.20$5J6.11@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
>
> "Dr. Lipschitz" <drlippy@ihymietown.com> wrote in message
> news:evAZf.287$WL4.68@trnddc07...
>>
>> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
>> news:Y2zZf.8$5J6.4@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
>> > [God Bless David Horowitz]
>> >
>> > If people expected to see a bloody clash between a fire-breathing
> leftist
>> > and a ranting right-winger, that was some other monster movie.
>> > Instead, two equally controversial men - liberal University of Colorado
>> > professor Ward Churchill and conservative author David Horowitz
>>
>> Horowitz is not a conservative. He's a neo con, formerly communist
>> infiltrator.
>
> Yeah, has definately seen the light and came over to conservativism. The
> rest of your remarks are going to be ignored. I see you were sticking up
> for
> Churchill, what is with you Jew haters? Always anti American leftist ding
> dongs.
PATRIOTISM IS THE FIRST REFUGE OF A COWARD
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 4:55 am
From: "DoD"
"serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:p9HZf.538$zh1.343@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>
> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
> news:JFAZf.20$5J6.11@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
>>
>> "Dr. Lipschitz" <drlippy@ihymietown.com> wrote in message
>> news:evAZf.287$WL4.68@trnddc07...
>>>
>>> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
>>> news:Y2zZf.8$5J6.4@newsread1.mlpsca01.us.to.verio.net...
>>> > [God Bless David Horowitz]
>>> >
>>> > If people expected to see a bloody clash between a fire-breathing
>> leftist
>>> > and a ranting right-winger, that was some other monster movie.
>>> > Instead, two equally controversial men - liberal University of
>>> > Colorado
>>> > professor Ward Churchill and conservative author David Horowitz
>>>
>>> Horowitz is not a conservative. He's a neo con, formerly communist
>>> infiltrator.
>>
>> Yeah, has definately seen the light and came over to conservativism. The
>> rest of your remarks are going to be ignored. I see you were sticking up
>> for
>> Churchill, what is with you Jew haters? Always anti American leftist ding
>> dongs.
> PATRIOTISM IS THE FIRST REFUGE OF A COWARD
All caps reply is the first refuge of a lunatic
==============================================================================
TOPIC: Buffalo New York
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6e82ed001bf00dbe
==============================================================================
== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 12:59 am
From: "Geoff"
Please remove the Sabres newsgroup from your discussions guys. We're really
not interested.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 10:10 pm
From: Fred Hall
On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 00:59:58 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com>
wrote:
>Please remove the Sabres newsgroup from your discussions guys. We're really
>not interested.
>
Why do you insist upon spamming that into our group?
--
"Good come back cunt!"
"Didn't you bet a merit badge in Gopher Choking, bugger Boy?"
"We don't discuss religion anymore you fucking idiot! Eat some more shit"
-- Honest John, Christian evangelist
==============================================================================
TOPIC: ABorted Fetus - OK for Stem Cell research?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/633ba937608fb555
==============================================================================
== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 1:01 am
From: "Geoff"
Please remove the Sabres newsgroup from your discussions guys. We're really
not interested.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 10:09 pm
From: "Kadaitcha Man"
Geoff <gebobs@nospam.yahoo.com>, the dirty wretch and tubby-arsed
slave-boy who likes hellish mango manipulation with leeches, and whose
partner is a sidewalk-socialite with a decrepit love muffin, wrote in
<ON2dncWZmZkP3qrZRVn-jQ@comcast.com>:
> Please remove the Sabres newsgroup from your discussions guys. We're
> really not interested.
Fuck off.
--
http://xp-crack.kadaitcha.cx
==============================================================================
TOPIC: Vicente Fox double talk
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d257ffec1d4f9f69
==============================================================================
== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 10:12 pm
From: "Acharya"
He says it is unconstitutional for Mexico to prohibit the free movement of
people crossing the Mexican border into the U.S.
So that means it works both ways, he cannot prevent Americans from crossing
the border into Mexico?
==============================================================================
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "soc.culture.usa"
group.
To post to this group, send email to soc.culture.usa@googlegroups.com or visit
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to soc.culture.usa-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com
To change the way you get mail from this group, visit:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/subscribe
To report abuse, send email explaining the problem to abuse@googlegroups.com
==============================================================================
Google Groups: http://groups.google.com