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* The US Political System and One-Dimensional Thinking - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/63cd98e69e56c3f0
* McReynolds: The Iran Crisis - What You and I Can Do - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a352271767c0a40e
* 3 Years after Saddam's Fall, US Admits Turmoil - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/95dae8ab83a3c2a5
* Baghdad - the worst place to live in the world: survey - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/67d7692716c247df
* Ire: Use of Shannon for Israeli Attack Choppers Slammed - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c078fa94ace906a1
* Military Insider on Why Iraq Was a "Mistake" - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/cf16446197d34a3c
* A Third Retired General Wants Rumsfeld Out - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b24a512e6a745698
* CIA Leak: One More Problem for Bush Administration - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b8f361df803ce6ea
* Young Officers Leaving Army at a High Rate - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/50a64fd2371bf602
* Bush Ordered Declassification, Official Says - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/678d326ab4266b4a
* Iraqi insurgents use mannequins, pigeons to kill - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c7bf2ad98e6d6bbc
* White House Denies War Plans Against Iran - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/41544aa2d0f71f5a
* Bolivian President Hails Cuba's Medical Help - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/709f15967bd2dad8
* US Diplomat the "Neighborhood Bully" - Venez Minister - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/1b3ba2724ca7484b
* Bolivia Stands Firm in Rejecting IMF, Free Trade Deals - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/368366eb39597292
* Disgusting McVay! Funded by Bnai Brith!! EVIDENCE! NOT MUCH LONGER!! - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d3582f13043ffb8a
* is it possible jesus was a pakistani? (Re: MANUSCRIPT SAYS JESUS REQUESTED
BETRAYAL) - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f1b782711f8373d3
* Dershowitz smokes Measheimer-Walt.... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/fcfb48e4ee8ba1a9
* $10,000 Reward for Thai Air Force Commander Akkavibul - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/416ef42277b367dc
* COMO SE PUEDE EXPLICAR ESTO ...QUE UDS. DEFIENDAN A UN REGIMEN CON TANTO
CRIMEN, SANGRE Y ABUSOS EN SU HABER ??????????????????? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/357bda9cdc245c01
* the RIGHT TO LIVE IN AMERICA ! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2aab17c70f2277e2
* American flags at immigration rallies... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/778fef549b32dcf1
* Florida companies push to expand trade with Cuba - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/38b5c64cc5194bb9
* CHRISTIAN EVANGELIST BANNED, VIOLATED VISA RULES - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2962877ba33f7e12

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TOPIC: The US Political System and One-Dimensional Thinking
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The US Political System and One-Dimensional Thinking

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sent by Tom Crumpacker - April 10, 2006

LOGIC 101:

One-Dimensional Thinking and the US Poliical System

by Tom Crumpacker

Linear or one-dimensional thinking considers the object thought of from only
one perspective, thus failing to discern its essence because most things,
like coins, can be looked and understood from at least two, usually more,
dimensions. The narrow point of view if honest has value, but it's too
limited. Politically, it can reinforce the status quo but not bring
progressive change.

There's always a larger, broader dimension which encompasses or at least
accounts for the limited ones. In the political decision-making context,
when the larger perspective becomes the base for the reasoning and decision,
the solution appears and the problem disappears, that is, it's
"transcended," and new problems arise. This is the way progress occurs.

Note that in recent years in the supposed US democracy, the major political
problems never seem to get transcended. The same issues fester on, year
after year. As time goes by, the differing sides may wax and wane but the
dispute never really gets a resolution and we don't move on. Such as, for
instance, campaign finance, social security, immigration, abortion rights,
health care, tax-code change.

We hear our national politicians talking about "triangulation" and
"compromise," meaning they stake their positions within the present
perspective between "left and right" on an issue, or "conservative and
liberal," or "Republican and Democrat." This puts or keeps them in power
because it helps fund their campaigns and projects. But progress does not
occur because the perspective remains the same.

Of course, because they work in secret (which they justify by national
security), we don't know how our rulers think or even who makes the
decisions for us. But we often hear from our national politicians in the
media seeking to market the made decisions. What we hear from them is almost
always one-dimensional.

For example, our President, apparently thinking of his devil Saddam in
Kuwait years ago, recently said that democracies do not attack other
countries. True. But what does this say about his claim that US is a
democracy? Speaking from the nationalism perspective, he's also fond of
saying that people all over the world yearn for democracy and freedom. True
again, Mr. President. That's why almost everywhere in the Third World people
are struggling against First World corporate exploitation as protected and
enforced by the US military and intelligence services. It's called
liberation. He often claims that protecting the nation trumps all other
considerations. He ignores the larger dimension, that Americans belong to
several places -- communities, family, neighborhood, town, state, nation,
world, and they don't need any one community to use its power to destroy
their interests in the others.

We the people of the world now seem to be entering a new Dark Age, where
relations between us will depend on our class and access to power rather
than equality, mutual respect and the rule of law. The burning question is
how to turn things around and start making progress rather than more
regress.

Most US progressives believe that any significant change will have to be
sought by working within our present political system, because that's the
purpose of a democratic system like ours and it's capable, if used adroitly,
of allowing for change. That's why so much of the discussion concerns
tactics within the present limits rather than expanding the parameters.

In this respect, an interesting article appears in the Talk of the Town
section of the March 27 New Yorker Magazine. It's by a respected
progressive, Hendrik Hertzberg, an astute observer of the US political
scene, who analyzes the situation from the usual "Democrat vs. Republican"
perspective. In this essay he deals with the common complaints that the
Democrats are in disarray because they have no unified position on key
issues like the Feingold censure and the Iraq war. He points out that such
unity is not possible without a "federal power center" such as a
presidential candidate running for office. (In fact, a unified position is
impossible in any event in a non-value-based electoral party, which is what
our two major parties have to be). He concludes by referring to a recent
poll which showed that although 70% of Democrats support censure, it:

"... also showed independent voters narrowly opposing censure. The mid-term
election will be decided in places where no Democrat candidate can prevail
without overwhelming independent support. Tactical calculations like these
are never pleasant. But they are not always sordid and sometimes they are
necessary."

In other words, Hertzberg is saying that Democratic congressional candidates
running in the very few seriously contested races (less than 5% of the House
seats) who are against invasive phone tapping and wars of choice should keep
quiet about these things in order to get elected. Then, if they "win" the
Congress, in the unlikely event that (1) a 2008 Democratic presidential
candidate would take a position on these issues and it was against
wiretapping and unnecessary war, becoming a Democrat "consensus," or (2) in
the very unlikely event a majority leader or speaker elected in 2006 would
take such a position and somehow carried enough weight to command such a
consensus, then conceivably we the people might be able to use the Democrat
Party to end the illegal, unconstitutional wiretapping and wars.

The futility of Working within the System

While this analysis may not be sordid and may be necessary, assuming the
limits of the system, it certainly demonstrates the futility of trying to
change things by working within the system. What's the larger perspective?
Our political system is dysfunctional. In a functional system people power
exceeds or at least equals the power of capital. If our system were
functional, we could elect, as a majority, candidates who believe in and
would actualize our values and policies. In the last 60 years we have
increasingly learned that this won't happen. What working people want makes
little difference. It's what business wants that counts. Today only about a
half of eligibles vote in presidential elections and about 40% in our
gerrymandered House districts. How many more years do we have to figure it
out? Isn't it time we faced reality instead of looking for tortured ways to
succeed within a corrupted system?

The major parties are not unimportant. They determine procedures in
Congress, such as committee chairmen and hearings, what and when issues will
be debated and voted on, and they also serve as accounting firms, money
raisers and "get out the vote" vehicles for the candidates. But they are not
value-based. This prohibits any progressive (value) change, based on people
power.

Value-based electoral parties have been unsuccessfully attempted in US, such
as the Populists, Socialists, Progressives, Libertarians, and Greens. They
used to succeed in parliamentary systems with proportional representation
where the parties represented differing fundamental approaches, such as
conservatives, labor, liberals, social democrats, socialists, communists.
But here the two-party straitjacket was implicit in the original
structure and has been continuously institutionalized further for over two
centuries. It might take as long to undo it.

There are many reasons for our "two non-value party only" system. One,
winner-take-all elections, is fully sufficient in itself as a cause.
Alternative value-based parties on the national scale are impossible also
because of the way editorial decisions are made in the media, inability of
non "winners" to raise money, ballot access laws and many other reasons.

Value-based electoral parties are groups of people with common values who
try to elect their chosen candidates to effectuate their values. They
determine their own procedures, issues, approaches, policies and candidates.
In the US these matters are determined mainly by statutes rather than
people. With the statutory majors, we see businesses contributing to both
candidates where elections might be close. We see crossover primary voting
and instant registration change, which allow members of one party to help
choose the candidates of the other. The parties still have platforms, but no
one knows or cares what they say. The candidates, not the parties, determine
their own values, issues, programs, policies, priorities, and hire their own
campaign workers. There's not been a national party "consensus" since the
Great Depression.

The rules, standards and institutions for nonpolitical fields of human
endeavor are set and changed by using the political system, whose purpose is
to allow for an appropriate degree of change within an appropriate degree of
stability. But a dysfunctional political system can't be used to reform
itself for the very reason that it's dysfunctional.

Working within a corrupt, class based political system makes things worse.
Those who do so presumably think it's functional and promote acceptance of
it. This helps create the fantasy among people that they are being
"represented" and have some choice in the decisions that are made for them.
It reinforces the status quo.

The Need for a Progressive People's Movement

All progressives of whatever stripe -- unions, peace, civil liberties,
privacy, anti-racist, women's rights, sexual orientation, environmental
groups, etc. -- have one thing in common: the desperate need for a
people-based political system. The only way to achieve this in US is to
start a progressive people's movement outside the present political system,
as was done in Argentina a few years ago.

Such a movement need have only one program: change the political system to
permit people power to assert itself. It needs to propose specific changes
and make its decisions inclusively and democratically. It will acquire power
if, when, and to the extent that a sufficient number of progressive
Americans become participants. The exact use to be made of the power, inside
or outside the system, can be determined if and when the movement becomes
powerful. As happened in Argentina, with increasing movement power, the
politicians will have to institute change or lose their jobs.

[Tom Crumpacker is a retired attorney in Austin, Texas.]

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TOPIC: McReynolds: The Iran Crisis - What You and I Can Do
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McReynolds: The Iran Crisis - What You and I Can Do

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Seymour Hersh's article "The Iran Plans," (New Yorker, April 17, 2006 issue)
is at:
http://olm.blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/Week-of-Mon-20060403/035299.html

sent by David McReynolds - April 10, 2006

The Iran Crisis and What You and I Can Do

by David McReynolds

Seymour Hersh is a national treasure, far more reliable in his reports than
the White House (or the British Foreign Secretary).

When he reports that Bush has on the White House table plans for military
strikes at Iran, including the "nuclear option" (tactical nuclear weapons
used as "bunker busters") he makes a great deal more sense than any of the
denials from Washington. Further, Hersh has reported that at least one
General will submit his resignation unless the nuclear option is taken off
the table. Seymour Hersh has a better track record of honesty and solid
contacts than anything the White House (or British Foreign Office) can
offer.

This is a situation I view as a crisis. I have certainly been wrong before
- - I did not believe Bush would actually start the invasion of Iraq, because
it seemed clear it would be a disaster. I didn't believe he would launch
the war until I saw, on TV, the first bombs land. Now that it is clear that
the cabal that took control of the White House in 2000 will stop at nothing,
I am deeply worried. Impossible as it seems that Bush would launch a
military strike at Iran, under Bush the impossible seems to take on a life
of its own.

Some thoughts. No one wants another country to get a nuclear weapon. But we
must not let the handful of Bush loyalists still around persuade us that it
is unthinkable for Iran to have "the bomb". We lived with the Soviet
nuclear arsenal. We lived with the Chinese nuclear arsenal. Pakistan and
India have (thus far) survived. North Korea seems to have the bomb (which is
perhaps why it isn't on the list of targets on the White House table?). It
might be helpful for the friends of Israel, who are among the few drum
beaters for military action, to ponder two problems. One is that the entire
rush for Middle Eastern states to develop nuclear weapons FOLLOWED the
Israeli action in getting them. (And Israel's consistent refusal to engage
in any serious discussion of a nuclear free Middle East). Second, it is
fairly certain that if Iran is attacked it will strike back and Israel has
reason to fear an Iran which would have an immediate reason for targeting
Israel. Iran can also cut oil production and the flow of oil from the Middle
East - which will hurt Iran, will bring huge profits to the oil companies,
but will mean economic disaster for Japan, for China, for Europe, and very
high gasoline prices here.

Iran can actually intervene in Iraq, with which is shares a common border.
At the moment US policy has "handed Iraq" over to Iranian interests, and
actual Iranian intervention is very limited. (It hasn't been necessary - one
folly of the Bush/neoconservative policy has been to put Iranian political
interests at the center of Iraqi politics). However nothing stands in the
way of Iran shipping in a great deal more military equipment (and even
troops).

Diplomacy may well fail. We may well see a nuclear Iran - my hunch is that
eventually we will. Our diplomacy needs to orient to that, and to the need
to ease tensions with Iran and particularly, more broadly, with the Islamic
world.

But Bush may choose to go it alone - if Congress stands by and lets him. We
have an odd and oddly dangerous situation. Bush will not "improve in the
polls" if he launches a military strike. His credibility is down the tubes
and it won't go back up. In politics when you lose the trust of the voters,
you don't regain it. The GOP is eager to put as much distance between
themselves and Bush as they can - they fear a Democratic landslide in
November. When Arlen Spector, no radical, but a loyal (if occasionally
maverick) Republican Senator from Pennsylvania, who isn't up for re-election
this year, can call publicly (as he did today) for Bush and Cheneyto come
clean and explain the leaks, there is some hope. When John Murtha,
traditionally a "hawk" in the House, a friend of the military, speaks out
against the war, what you are really hearing, if you listen closely, is the
Pentagon speaking and saying it is fed up. When, as happened in the past two
weeks, two leading Generals spoke out in very sharp terms against the war
and particularly against Donald Rumsfeld, you realize the military is very
uneasy.

And when you realize that the CIA is furious over the White House leaking
sensitive material, then what you have is a President, a Vice President, a
Secretary of State, and Donald Rumsfeld, who are truly isolated - but still
in power. We are, at last, deep in Watergate territory. We know Bush is not
bright. But he may actually believe in a certain fundamental version of
Christianity. He may believe - there are hints he does - that he has a
divine mission. And since he isn't running for re-election, he may feel
there are no restraints on him.

We need to know this. We need to act on it. The April 29th demonstration
here in New York gains new importantance now. But I don't think we can wait
until then. People need to call their members of Congress, and their
Senators, and ask that Congress take immediate action to curb Bush. There
are strong hints from the statements we have had from Al Gore and John Kerry
that the timid have begun to find their voices (even if the media has given
only muted coverage - the Sunday New York Times put the Seymour Hersh story
on page 23 and it wasn't because they got it too late - I had already gotten
it on the internet from Havana 48 hours ago. This story is out there, it is
major news, it was top of the new tonight on BBC and CNN and I rather expect
the Times will catch up with it tomorrow).

We need to do what I'm trying to do here - to send what quick analysis I can
to friends and contacts, to urge you to send it on to your lists, and that
we all remember that we can and should write "letters to the editor". Not
just to the NY Times, but to our local papers. To those abroad, in countries
where reason still rules, speak to your own governments - and consider
organizing delegations to US Embassies and Consulates.

This is NOT a time for discussing what "the movement should do the day
after". This is a time for the movement - for us, as citizens - to discuss
what we do NOW.

Peace, and struggle,
David McReynolds

[David McReynolds was the Green Party's 2004 candidate for US Senate in New
York He ran for President on the Socialist Party ticket in 1980 and 2000.]

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TOPIC: 3 Years after Saddam's Fall, US Admits Turmoil
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3 Years after Saddam's Fall, US Admits Turmoil

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The Independent - 10 April 2006
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article356853.ece

Three years after Saddam's fall, US report says Iraq is in turmoil

By Andrew Buncombe in Washington

A confidential assessment of the security situation across Iraq carried
out by US officials has portrayed a country beset by violence and
sectarian division and where the stability of six of its 18 provinces is
considered "serious" and one is said to be "critical".

The Basra region, controlled by British troops, is one of those where
the situation is described as serious and the report says crime,
intimidation, assassinations and smuggling are commonplace.

Three years after the fall of Saddam Hussein and on the third
anniversary of the day when US Marines organised the toppling of his
statue in central Baghdad, the publication of the report carried out by
the US embassy in Iraq reveals the chaos and violence now faced by large
numbers of the Iraqi population.

Reflecting the recent upsurge in sectarian violence - leading many
observers to believe Iraq is heading towards a civil war - the report
also suggests that the overall security situation in parts of the
country is getting worse.

Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak became the latest leader to suggest
that Iraq was close to civil war. In damaging comments over the weekend,
he also claimed that Shia inside Iraq were more loyal to Iran than to
their own country.

The Egyptian leader's televised comments about the influence of Iran, at
a time when Iraqi leaders are struggling to form a government that would
allow the Sunni minority to join a national unity cabinet, were
dismissed by Iraqi leaders. President Jalal Talabani said yesterday he
was surprised and annoyed by the remarks. "Reality and historical facts
show that the Shia always have been patriotic and genuine Iraqis. This
unfair accusation against Shia is baseless," he said.

British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw also took issue with Mr Mubarak's
comments, saying that there was a "high level of slaughter" in Iraq but
that the country had not descended into civil war.

Yesterday, at least six bombs exploded in Iraq on the so-called Freedom
Day holiday. The roadside bombings and a blast on a minibus left at
least five people dead. US forces killed eight people they accused of
being insurgents - five by troops in northern Baghdad and three in an
airstrike.

The internal US report, made up of 10 pages of briefing points and
entitled Provincial Stability Assessment, maps out the situation across
Iraq.

Obtained by The New York Times, the report warns about the increasing
power of Shia groups and also details concern about the Kurdish-Arab
divide in the north, especially around Mosul and Kirkuk.

In the south, the report refers to Basra, under the control of British
forces and, for the first two years of the occupation, considered to be
considerably calmer than the situation in Baghdad and the so-called
Sunni Triangle, where the situation in Anbar province was described as
"critical". Yet it details how the violence in the south has also been
increasing and that economic development has been "hindered by weak
government".

While US President George Bush and his senior officials portray the
situation in Iraq as still requiring tough work, they generally argue
that progress is being made.

The report, however, offers few examples of success. It says that the
provincial government in Najaf is able to provide stability for the
province and that the flow of religious pilgrims points to economic
development possibilities for the future. But even Najaf and Karbala
only receive a moderate rating for security.

In all, six of the 18 provinces are described as stable from a security
perspective, local government is said to be working in five and economic
development is taking place in three.

The conflict's key players

* GEORGE BUSH:

Once a president with 80 per cent approval ratings after responding to
the 11 September 2001 attacks on the US with wars in Afghanistan and
later Iraq. Now in his second term, Bush's latest ratings (36 per cent)
look more like Nixon at his nadir.

TONY BLAIR:

Buoyed by the successful Kosovo intervention and keen to cement his
place in history, Blair chose to join America's invasion of Iraq. His
uncompromising support of US foreign policy has seen him lose the trust
of close allies.

GRAND AYATOLLAH ALI SISTANI:

Supreme leader of Iraq's Shia majority, Ali Sistani encouraged the
separation of religion and politics until the war and its aftermath made
him one of Iraq's most important political and religious figures.

MUQTADA AL SADR:

A middle-ranking Shia cleric before the war, Muqtada al-Sadr is now one
of Iraq's most powerful figures as the commander of the Mehdi Army
militia and the de facto leader of Baghdad's Shia slum Sadr city.

ABU MUSAB AL ZARQAWI:

Once a relatively low-level Islamist militant wanted by Jordan on terror
charges, Zarqawi slipped into Iraq on the eve of war to direct Arab
fighters and become one of the world's most wanted terrorists.
Washington has a $25m (£14m) bounty on his head.

SADDAM HUSSEIN:

The former president of Iraq seems a different person since he was
dragged from his hiding place in December 2003. Far from beaten, Saddam
has maintained a formidable presence throughout his trial. Genocide
charges have now been laid.

DONALD RUMSFELD:

The neocon and most prominent public advocate of the Bush
administration's ''war on terror" has found even some of his most
hawkish allies criticising the way the Pentagon has handled the war in
Iraq. Despite increasing calls for his resignation, Rumsfeld's closeness
to the Bush family means it is unlikely the Secretary of Defence will
step down.

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TOPIC: Baghdad - the worst place to live in the world: survey
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The Independent - 10 April 2006
http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article356834.ece

Zurich is the most desirable place to live in the world, survey says

By Jerome Taylor

Zurich has beaten its fellow Swiss rival Geneva to become the most
desirable place to live in the world, according to a survey released
today measuring quality of life in more than 200 cities worldwide.

Each city was judged on factors such as personal safety, the environment
and access to public services such as health, education and transport.

For the second year in a row living standards in Dublin were rated above
those of London and Paris. The Irish capital came 24th in a survey of
215 cities compared to London which trailed 15 places behind on 39th,
the same spot as last year, and Paris which came in at 33rd.

The continuing success of Dublin is largely due to economic growth that
has spawned one of Europe's most successful emerging economies, often
referred to as the "Celtic Tiger".

In a similar survey last year, the Economist magazine's intelligence
unit rated Ireland top in its "quality of life" index rating of 111
countries citing "high GDP, low unemployment" and a society holding on,
so far, to traditional values.

Glasgow and Birmingham, the only British cities apart from London to
make it into the table, ranked joint 55th along with Los Angeles and
Tsukuba in Japan.

Zurich beat Geneva into second place, while Vancouver in Canada was
third. The British Columbian city is consistently voted as one of the
most desirable cities in the world to live. Surrounded by water on three
sides and overlooked by mountains, it is a diverse city with a high
standard of living, relatively low crime and a mild climate.

The latest survey, by Mercer Human Resource Consulting, revealed almost
half of the world's 30 most desirable cities for expatriates to live in
are situated in western Europe. Germany and Switzerland dominate the
table with three contenders each in the top 10. Zurich, Geneva, Bern,
Frankfurt, Düsseldorf and Munich accounted for six of the top 10 entries
alone.

The "quality of life" survey based its table on criteria ranging from
political, social and economic factors, which aimed to establish the
best and worst cities for expatriates.

Researchers also found a rise in living standards in the capitals of
those eastern European states that recently joined the EU with
Ljubljana, Vilnius and Tallinn all improving.

Slagin Parakatil, a senior researcher at Mercer said: "The standard of
living in many eastern European cities is gradually improving as the
countries that most recently joined the EU attract greater investment."

Not surprisingly, Baghdad was deemed the worst place to live in, closely
followed by Brazzaville in the Republic of the Congo, a city scarred by
years of civil war where many houses are in ruins and electricity and
water supplies are erratic.

[Zurich] Attractions:

* Kunsthaus: The country's finest art gallery
* St Peter's Church: Oldest church in Zurich, first mentioned in 857AD
* Opera House: One of the Europe's leading stages
* Cabaret Voltaire: The birthplace of Dadaism
* Masoala Rainforest: Ecosystem similar to Eden Project in Cornwall
* National Museum: The country's proud heritage
* Bürkliterrasse: Lakeside park with view of the Alps
* Niederdorf: Winding streets lined with bars
* Fraumünster: Fine 13th-century gothic church
* Le Corbusier house: Dedicated to the famed Swiss architect

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TOPIC: Ire: Use of Shannon for Israeli Attack Choppers Slammed
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The Irish Times News - Apr 10, 2006
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2006/0410/2898613033HM4APACHEATTACK.html

Official criticises use of Shannon for attack helicopters

by Alison Healy

John Gormley [Irish Green Party leader]: denial raised serious questions

The Department of Transport has said it was "dissatisfied" that Shannon
airport had been used by a cargo aircraft carrying Apache attack
helicopters between the US and Israel in February.

A spokesman said the department would be reminding aircraft operators
that such military equipment was considered to be weapons, thus their
carriage through Irish airports or airspace was prohibited unless an
exemption was granted.

The aircraft, which stopped overnight en route from the US to Israel,
was carrying three Apache attack aircraft.

The Israeli government has a fleet of the Apache attack aircraft. In
February, one such helicopter killed two people in Gaza city after it
hit two cars carrying Islamic Jihad militants.

The department spokesman said the cargo aircraft was not due to land at
Shannon on its outbound journey as it was scheduled to fly via Iceland.

"Our inquiries have established that a last-minute decision was made by
the operator to route the aircraft through Shannon," he added. "We are
advised that this was done so that a technical problem could be attended
to at the company's maintenance base at Shannon.

"The notification of the change of routing was not sent to the
Department of Transport."

The company in question, Volga-Dnepr, usually provided a note to the
Department of Transport in advance of flights operating through Ireland,
he said.

The department was notified that the aircraft had been due to stop over
at Shannon on the return leg of the journey when it would have been
empty.

However, the spokesman said that it had subsequently learned "that
helicopters were in fact carried on the return flight through Shannon on
28th February".

Volga-Dnepr believed it did not need an exemption as there were no
weapons or munitions on the helicopters.

"The Department of Transport has informed the company that the
helicopters themselves and similar military equipment whether air-, sea-
or land-based are considered to be weapons," the spokesman said.

The department would have to consult the departments of foreign affairs,
justice and defence and the Irish Aviation Authority before granting an
exemption under the Air Navigation (Carriage of Munitions of War,
Weapons and Dangerous Goods) Order, 1973.

"If any of those agencies objects to the exemption being given, then the
department will refuse to grant an exemption," the spokesman said.

Green Party chairman John Gormley called for an investigation into the
matter by the Joint Oireachtas Committee for Foreign Affairs.

On Saturday, the Irish Independent reported that the Department of
Transport and the Department of Foreign Affairs had initially denied
knowledge of the flight when questioned by the newspaper.

Mr Gormley said this denial raised serious questions about the role of
the Department of Foreign Affairs.

If it was established that it had covered up the information, "then the
Minister for Foreign Affairs will have no option but to resign", Mr
Gormley said.

The cargo aircraft landed at Shannon hours before the US president,
George W Bush, made a refuelling stopover at the airport.

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TOPIC: Military Insider on Why Iraq Was a "Mistake"
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TIME Magazine - Apr 9, 2006
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/printout/0,8816,1181629,00.html

Why Iraq Was a Mistake

A military insider sounds off against the war and
the "zealots" who pushed it

By LIEUT. GENERAL GREG NEWBOLD (RET.)

Two senior military officers are known to have challenged Defense Secretary
Donald Rumsfeld on the planning of the Iraq war. Army General Eric Shinseki
publicly dissented and found himself marginalized. Marine Lieut. General
Greg Newbold, the Pentagon's top operations officer, voiced his objections
internally and then retired, in part out of opposition to the war. Here, for
the first time, Newbold goes public with a full-throated critique:

In 1971, the rock group The Who released the antiwar anthem Won't Get Fooled
Again. To most in my generation, the song conveyed a sense of betrayal by
the nation's leaders, who had led our country into a costly and unnecessary
war in Vietnam. To those of us who were truly counterculture--who became
career members of the military during those rough times--the song conveyed a
very different message. To us, its lyrics evoked a feeling that we must
never again stand by quietly while those ignorant of and casual about war
lead us into another one and then mismanage the conduct of it. Never again,
we thought, would our military's senior leaders remain silent as American
troops were marched off to an ill-considered engagement. It's 35 years
later, and the judgment is in: the Who had it wrong. We have been fooled
again.

>From 2000 until October 2002, I was a Marine Corps lieutenant general and
director of operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff. After 9/11, I was a
witness and therefore a party to the actions that led us to the invasion of
Iraq--an unnecessary war. Inside the military family, I made no secret of my
view that the zealots' rationale for war made no sense. And I think I was
outspoken enough to make those senior to me uncomfortable. But I now regret
that I did not more openly challenge those who were determined to invade a
country whose actions were peripheral to the real threat--al-Qaeda. I
retired from the military four months before the invasion, in part because
of my opposition to those who had used 9/11's tragedy to hijack our security
policy. Until now, I have resisted speaking out in public. I've been silent
long enough.

I am driven to action now by the missteps and misjudgments of the White
House and the Pentagon, and by my many painful visits to our military
hospitals. In those places, I have been both inspired and shaken by the
broken bodies but unbroken spirits of soldiers, Marines and corpsmen
returning from this war. The cost of flawed leadership continues to be paid
in blood. The willingness of our forces to shoulder such a load should make
it a sacred obligation for civilian and military leaders to get our defense
policy right. They must be absolutely sure that the commitment is for a
cause as honorable as the sacrifice.

With the encouragement of some still in positions of military leadership, I
offer a challenge to those still in uniform: a leader's responsibility is to
give voice to those who can't--or don't have the opportunity to--speak.
Enlisted members of the armed forces swear their oath to those appointed
over them; an officer swears an oath not to a person but to the
Constitution. The distinction is important.

Before the antiwar banners start to unfurl, however, let me make clear--I am
not opposed to war. I would gladly have traded my general's stars for a
captain's bars to lead our troops into Afghanistan to destroy the Taliban
and al-Qaeda. And while I don't accept the stated rationale for invading
Iraq, my view--at the moment--is that a precipitous withdrawal would be a
mistake. It would send a signal, heard around the world, that would
reinforce the jihadists' message that America can be defeated, and thus
increase the chances of future conflicts. If, however, the Iraqis prove
unable to govern, and there is open civil war, then I am prepared to change
my position.

I will admit my own prejudice: my deep affection and respect are for those
who volunteer to serve our nation and therefore shoulder, in those thin
ranks, the nation's most sacred obligation of citizenship. To those of you
who don't know, our country has never been served by a more competent and
professional military. For that reason, Secretary of State Condoleezza
Rice's recent statement that "we" made the "right strategic decisions" but
made thousands of "tactical errors" is an outrage. It reflects an effort to
obscure gross errors in strategy by shifting the blame for failure to those
who have been resolute in fighting. The truth is, our forces are successful
in spite of the strategic guidance they receive, not because of it.

What we are living with now is the consequences of successive policy
failures. Some of the missteps include: the distortion of intelligence in
the buildup to the war, McNamara-like micromanagement that kept our forces
from having enough resources to do the job, the failure to retain and
reconstitute the Iraqi military in time to help quell civil disorder, the
initial denial that an insurgency was the heart of the opposition to
occupation, alienation of allies who could have helped in a more robust way
to rebuild Iraq, and the continuing failure of the other agencies of our
government to commit assets to the same degree as the Defense Department. My
sincere view is that the commitment of our forces to this fight was done
with a casualness and swagger that are the special province of those who
have never had to execute these missions--or bury the results.

Flaws in our civilians are one thing; the failure of the Pentagon's military
leaders is quite another. Those are men who know the hard consequences of
war but, with few exceptions, acted timidly when their voices urgently
needed to be heard. When they knew the plan was flawed, saw intelligence
distorted to justify a rationale for war, or witnessed arrogant
micromanagement that at times crippled the military's effectiveness, many
leaders who wore the uniform chose inaction. A few of the most senior
officers actually supported the logic for war. Others were simply
intimidated, while still others must have believed that the principle of
obedience does not allow for respectful dissent. The consequence of the
military's quiescence was that a fundamentally flawed plan was executed for
an invented war, while pursuing the real enemy, al-Qaeda, became a secondary
effort.

There have been exceptions, albeit uncommon, to the rule of silence among
military leaders. Former Army Chief of Staff General Shinseki, when
challenged to offer his professional opinion during prewar congressional
testimony, suggested that more troops might be needed for the invasion's
aftermath. The Secretary and Deputy Secretary of Defense castigated him in
public and marginalized him in his remaining months in his post. Army
General John Abizaid, head of Central Command, has been forceful in his
views with appointed officials on strategy and micromanagement of the fight
in Iraq--often with success. Marine Commandant General Mike Hagee
steadfastly challenged plans to underfund, understaff and underequip his
service as the Corps has struggled to sustain its fighting capability.

To be sure, the Bush Administration and senior military officials are not
alone in their culpability. Members of Congress--from both
parties--defaulted in fulfilling their constitutional responsibility for
oversight. Many in the media saw the warning signs and heard cautionary
tales before the invasion from wise observers like former Central Command
chiefs Joe Hoar and Tony Zinni but gave insufficient weight to their views.
These are the same news organizations that now downplay both the heroic and
the constructive in Iraq.

So what is to be done? We need fresh ideas and fresh faces. That means, as a
first step, replacing Rumsfeld and many others unwilling to fundamentally
change their approach. The troops in the Middle East have performed their
duty. Now we need people in Washington who can construct a unified strategy
worthy of them. It is time to send a signal to our nation, our forces and
the world that we are uncompromising on our security but are prepared to
rethink how we achieve it. It is time for senior military leaders to discard
caution in expressing their views and ensure that the President hears them
clearly. And that we won't be fooled again.

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TOPIC: A Third Retired General Wants Rumsfeld Out
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The New York Times - Apr 10, 2006
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/10/world/middleeast/10military.html

Third Retired General Wants Rumsfeld Out

By THOM SHANKER

WASHINGTON, April 9 The three-star Marine Corps general who was the
military's top operations officer before the invasion of Iraq expressed
regret, in an essay published Sunday, that he did not more energetically
question those who had ordered the nation to war. He also urged active-duty
officers to speak out now if they had doubts about the war.

Lt. Gen. Gregory Newbold, who retired in late 2002, also called for
replacing Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and "many others unwilling to
fundamentally change their approach." He is the third retired senior officer
in recent weeks to demand that Mr. Rumsfeld step down.

In the essay, in this week's issue of Time magazine, General Newbold wrote,
"I now regret that I did not more openly challenge those who were determined
to invade a country whose actions were peripheral to the real threat Al
Qaeda."

The decision to invade Iraq, he wrote, "was done with a casualness and
swagger that are the special province of those who have never had to execute
these missions or bury the results."

Though some active-duty officers will say in private that they disagree with
Mr. Rumsfeld's handling of Iraq, none have spoken out publicly. They
attribute their silence to respect for civilian control of the military, as
set in the Constitution but some also say they know it would be
professional suicide to speak up.

"The officer corps is willing to sacrifice their lives for their country,
but not their careers," said one combat veteran who says the Pentagon's
civilian leadership made serious mistakes in Iraq, but has declined to voice
his concerns for attribution.

Many officers who served in Iraq also say privately that regardless of
flawed war planning or early mistakes by civilian and military officers, the
American public would hold the current officer corps responsible for failure
in Iraq. These officers do not want to discuss doubts about the mission
publicly now. General Newbold acknowledged these issues, saying he decided
to go public only after "the encouragement of some still in positions of
military leadership" and in order to "offer a challenge to those still in
uniform."

A leader's responsibility "is to give voice to those who can't or don't
have the opportunity to speak," General Newbold wrote. "Enlisted members
of the armed forces swear their oath to those appointed over them; an
officer swears an oath not to a person but to the Constitution. The
distinction is important."

General Newbold served as director of operations of the Joint Chiefs of
Staff from 2000 through the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks and the war in
Afghanistan. He left military service in late 2002, as the Defense
Department was deep into planning for the March 2003 invasion of Iraq.

"I retired from the military four months before the invasion, in part
because of my opposition to those who had used 9/11's tragedy to hijack our
security policy," General Newbold wrote.

His generation of officers thought it had learned from Vietnam that "we must
never again stand by quietly while those ignorant of and casual about war
lead us into another one and then mismanage the conduct of it," General
Newbold wrote.

The "consequence of the military's quiescence" in the current environment,
he wrote, "was that a fundamentally flawed plan was executed for an invented
war, while pursuing the real enemy, Al Qaeda, became a secondary effort."

A senior Pentagon official on Mr. Rumsfeld's staff said Sunday that the
Pentagon leadership provided ample opportunity for senior officers to voice
concerns.

"It is hard for the secretary and the rest of the policy leadership to
understand the situation if they are not getting good, unvarnished advice
from military commanders," the civilian official said.

While General Newbold said he did not accept the rationale for invading
Iraq, he wrote that "a precipitous withdrawal would be a mistake" because it
would tell the nation's adversaries that "America can be defeated, and thus
increase the chances of future conflicts."

General Newbold's essay follows one on March 19, by another retired officer,
Maj. Gen. Paul D. Eaton, who commanded the training of Iraqi security forces
in the year after Baghdad fell. General Eaton wrote an Op-Ed article in The
New York Times criticizing Mr. Rumsfeld's management of the war, adding,
"President Bush should accept the offer to resign that Mr. Rumsfeld says he
has tendered more than once."

When asked about that essay, President Bush rejected the call to dismiss Mr.
Rumsfeld, repeating as he often has that he was satisfied with Mr.
Rumsfeld's performance.

On April 2, Gen. Anthony C. Zinni, who previously led the military's Central
Command, responsible for operations in the Middle East, said in a television
interview that Mr. Rumsfeld, among others, should be held accountable for
mistakes in Iraq and that he should step down.

General Newbold has been quoted previously describing his concerns about
Iraq planning, including in "Cobra II," a book by Michael R. Gordon, chief
military correspondent for The New York Times, and Bernard E. Trainor, a
retired Marine lieutenant general who is a former military correspondent for
the newspaper. In the book General Newbold is described telling fellow
officers that he considered the focus on Iraq to be a strategic blunder and
a distraction from the real counterterror effort. He is also quoted as
expressing concern about Mr. Rumsfeld's influence on war planning, in
particular his emphasis on assigning fewer troops to the invasion.

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TOPIC: CIA Leak: One More Problem for Bush Administration
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Radio Havana Cuba
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CIA Leak: One More Problem for Bush Administration

Washington, April 10, (RHC)-US President George W. Bush is feeling the
heat as demands mount for him to tell what he knows about leaked
intelligence information used to gain support to launch a war against
Iraq.

A former top White House aid involved the president in the scandal
when he revealed that Bush authorized him to leak the information.

For four days, Bush has refused to comment on his role in the scandal,
but now even Republicans are insisting that he explain what happened.

Republican senator, Arlen Specter was the first to speak to demand an
explanation from President Bush. He told reporters in Washington that
he thinks it is time for both the president and vice-president to tell
the US public what happened.

George W. Bush is accused of authorizing the disclosure of sensitive
intelligence information to bolster his rationale for going to war in
Iraq.

Former Ambassador Joe Wilson, believes that his criticism of the
Administration was the cause of the blowing of his wife's CIA cover -
a furore that's been under investigation for three years.

He told reporter Kim Landers that Bush and Cheney need to release the
transcripts of their testimony to the prosecutor, so that everyone
will know what was said regarding the matter.

Though the leak is probably not illegal, it comes after Bush has
railed numerous times against such leaks and when his popularity is at
its lowest ebb ever due to the failure of his Iraq policy.

In related news, the New York Times reports that interviews show that
when President George W. Bush authorized Vice President Dick Cheney's
top aide to reveal previously classified intelligence to a reporter
about Saddam Hussein's efforts to obtain uranium, as the aide has
testified, that information was already being discredited by several
senior officials in the administration.

A review of the records and interviews conducted since that crucial
period in June and July of 2003 also show that what the aide, I. Lewis
Libby Jr., said he was authorized to portray to reporters as a "key
judgment" by intelligence officials had in fact been given much less
prominence in an earlier intelligence report.

Libby said he drew on that report, the October 2002 National
Intelligence Estimate on Iraq, when he spoke with the reporter.
Records and interviews show that the key judgment's lack of prominence
in the report was a reflection of doubts about its reliability.

The new account of the interactions among Bush, Cheney, and Libby was
spelled out last week in a court filing by Patrick Fitzgerald, the
special prosecutor in the CIA leak case. It adds considerably to a
picture of an administration in some disarray as the failure to
discover illicit weapons in Iraq had undermined the central rationale
for the American invasion in March 2003.

Against the backdrop of what has previously been disclosed, the court
filing sheds particular light on how Bush and some of his top deputies
had begun to pull in different directions. Even as some officials,
including Colin Powell, then secretary of state, had started to reveal
deep doubts that Saddam ever sought uranium to reconstitute his
nuclear program, Bush, Cheney and Libby were seeking to disseminate
information suggesting they had acted on credible intelligence, while
not discussing their actions with other top aides.

Fitzgerald, in his filing, said Libby had been authorized to tell
Judith Miller, then a reporter for The New York Times, on July 8,
2003, that a key finding of the 2002 intelligence estimate on Iraq was
that Baghdad had been vigorously seeking to acquire uranium from
Africa.

But a week earlier, in an interview in his State Department office,
Powell told three other reporters for The Times that intelligence
agencies had essentially rejected that contention, and were "no longer
carrying it as a credible item" by early 2003, when he was preparing
to make the case against Iraq at the United Nations.

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TOPIC: Young Officers Leaving Army at a High Rate
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The New York Times - Apr 10, 2006
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/10/washington/10army.html

Young Officers Leaving Army at a High Rate

By THOM SHANKER

WASHINGTON, April 9 Young Army officers, including growing numbers of
captains who leave as soon as their initial commitment is fulfilled, are
bailing out of active-duty service at rates that have alarmed senior
officers. Last year, more than a third of the West Point class of 2000 left
active duty at the earliest possible moment, after completing their
five-year obligation.

It was the second year in a row of worsening retention numbers, apparently
marking the end of a burst of patriotic fervor during which junior officers
chose continued military service at unusually high rates.

Mirroring the problem among West Pointers, graduates of reserve officer
training programs at universities are also increasingly leaving the service
at the end of the four-year stint in uniform that follows their
commissioning.

To entice more to stay, the Army is offering new incentives this year,
including a promise of graduate school on Army time and at government
expense to newly commissioned officers who agree to stay in uniform for
three extra years. Other enticements include the choice of an Army job or a
pick of a desirable location for a home post.

The incentives resulted in additional three-year commitments from about
one-third of all new officers entering active duty in 2006, a number so
large that it surprised even the senior officers in charge of the program.
But the service's difficulty in retaining current captains has generals
worriedly discussing among themselves whether the Army will have the widest
choice possible for its next generation of leaders.

The program was begun this year to counter pressures on junior officers to
leave active duty, including the draw of high-paying jobs in the private
sector; the desires of a spouse for a calmer civilian quality of life at a
time when the officers can be expected to be starting their families; and,
for the past two years, the concerns over repeated tours in Iraq or
Afghanistan.

Since the invasion of Iraq in 2003, the Army has had a far more difficult
time in its recruiting than the other services because the ground forces are
carrying the heaviest burden of deployments and injuries and deaths in
the war.

One member of the West Point class of 2000 who left active duty last year is
Stephen Kuo, who took a job with a medical equipment company in Florida. Mr.
Kuo said his decision was based on "quality of life." He is now recruiting
classmates for his company.

"With the rotation of one year overseas, then another year or so back at
home, then another overseas rotation it does take a toll on you," said Mr.
Kuo, who served a year in combat in northern Iraq. "Plus, I was not enjoying
the staff jobs desk jobs I was looking at for the next 8 to 10 years.
Furthermore, the private sector had many lucrative offers."

But the chance at a free master's degree persuaded Brandon J. Archuleta, a
West Point senior, to sign up for an extra three years in uniform.

"Education is extremely important to me, and I know I want a master's degree
at the very least," Cadet Archuleta said. "The Army has a wonderful
relationship with some of the top-tier graduate schools, especially in the
Ivy League. I want to attend a school of that caliber."

In 2001, but before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, 9.3 percent of the
Army's young officers left active duty at their first opportunity. By 2002,
the number of those junior officers leaving at their first opportunity
dropped to 7.1 percent, and in 2003, only 6.3 percent opted out. But the
number grew to 8.3 percent in 2004 and 8.6 percent in 2005.

The statistics are even more striking among West Point graduates, who
receive an Ivy League-quality education at taxpayer expense and, in the
view of many senior officers and West Point alumni, owe the nation and the
Army a debt of loyalty beyond the initial five years of active duty.

The retention rate at the five-year mark for the West Point class of 1999
was 71.9 percent in 2004, down from 78.1 percent for the previous year's
class. And for the class of 2000, the retention rate fell to 65.8 percent,
meaning that last year the Army lost more than a third 34. 2 percent of
that group of officers as they reached the end of their initial five-year
commitment.

That is the highest rate of loss over the past 16 years among West Point
officers reaching the five-year mark. For young officers receiving their
commissions in 2006, the Army will guarantee slots in the most sought-after
branches of the service aviation, armor or intelligence, for example in
exchange for an extra three years in uniform.

Similarly, if a young officer wants an initial posting to a desired location
or an opportunity to earn a master's degree, the Army will guarantee either
choice in exchange for three more years of active duty.

The West Point graduating class of 2006 responded at levels even higher than
anticipated by senior officers at the military academy, with 352 of the 875
seniors 40.2 percent signing on to the program as they approached the
date in late May when they would be commissioned as second lieutenants.

"It is an amazing response," said Lt. Gen. William J. Lennox Jr., the West
Point superintendent. "It has exceeded how I thought the class would
respond."

Across the entire Army this spring, 3,420 newly commissioned junior officers
are expected to enter active duty, according to the Army's personnel office.
Of those, 1,124 about one-third have agreed to serve an extra three
years in uniform under the new program.

According to Army statistics, 718 signed up to choose their career track,
289 contracted for the graduate school opportunity 257 of them from West
Point and 117 wanted to pick the location where they, and their families,
would be based.

The graduate school program was carefully structured to keep officers in
uniform even beyond the extra three-year commitment.

After completing a master's degree program, an officer also has to repay the
Army with three months of service for every month back in the classroom.
This could push some officers beyond an automatic 8 years of service, toward
12 years at which point, goes the thinking of the senior officers who
devised the program, they may decide to stay in for a full 20.

"Today's officers make a career decision to come or go at the three- or
four-year mark, while a decade ago they made it closer to the seven- or
eight-year mark," said Lt. Gen. Franklin L. Hagenbeck, the Army's senior
personnel officer.

"One of the salient issues in this information age is that if they are going
to be competitive when they leave the Army whether at the 4-year mark, the
10-year mark or after 20 they have to maintain critical skills," General
Hagenbeck said. "They want to have graduate schooling."

The cost of the program will depend on how many young officers enter
graduate school in a given year, but Army personnel managers say that
whatever the individual annual tuition fees, they are far less than the cost
of training and preparing a new officer. The Army will cap individual
tuition at $13,000 per year, although the service has already negotiated
with a number of schools to waive the difference in fees.

At the five-year mark in their career, Army captains usually are in command
of a company, a junior leadership position putting them at the center of the
day-to-day fight. The Army needs even more company-level officers today, as
it expands the number of its deployable brigade combat teams.

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TOPIC: Bush Ordered Declassification, Official Says
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The New York Times - Apr 10, 2006
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/10/washington/10leak.html

Bush Ordered Declassification, Official Says

By DAVID E. SANGER and DAVID JOHNSTON

WASHINGTON, April 9 A senior administration official confirmed for the
first time on Sunday that President Bush had ordered the declassification of
parts of a prewar intelligence report on Iraq in an effort to rebut critics
who said the administration had exaggerated the nuclear threat posed by
Saddam Hussein.

But the official said that Mr. Bush did not designate Vice President Dick
Cheney's chief of staff, I. Lewis Libby Jr., or anyone else, to release the
information to reporters.

The statement by the official came after the White House had declined to
confirm, for three days, Mr. Libby's grand jury testimony that he had been
told by Mr. Cheney that Mr. Bush had authorized the disclosure. The official
declined to be named, because of an administration policy of not commenting
on issues now in court. Confirmation that Mr. Bush ordered the
declassification was published late Saturday by The Associated Press, which
quoted "an attorney knowledgeable about the case." Once it appeared, the
administration official was willing to confirm its details.

The official responded briefly via e-mail on Sunday to questions from The
New York Times.

Before the invasion of Iraq, the information from an October 2002 National
Intelligence Estimate was used by both Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney to bolster
their argument that Mr. Hussein posed a threat, and was trying to
reconstitute a nuclear program that was dismantled after the 1991 Gulf War.

The disclosure on Sunday appeared intended to bolster the White House
argument that Mr. Bush was acting well within his legal authority when he
ordered that key conclusions of the classified intelligence estimate should
be revealed to make clear that intelligence agencies believed Mr. Hussein
was seeking uranium in Africa.

Moreover, the disclosure seemed intended to suggest that Mr. Bush might have
played only a peripheral role in the release of the classified material and
was uninformed about the specifics like the effort to dispatch Mr. Libby
to discuss the estimate with reporters.

The explanation offered Sunday left open several questions, including when
Mr. Bush acted and whether he did so on the advice or at the request of Mr.
Cheney. Still unclear is the nature of the communication between Mr. Bush
and Mr. Cheney. Also unknown is whether Mr. Bush fully realized what
information Mr. Cheney planned to disclose through Mr. Libby or was aware of
the precise use that Mr. Cheney intended to make of the material.

It has been known that Mr. Cheney and Mr. Libby were focused on the uranium
issue in June 2003, well before Joseph C. Wilson IV, a former ambassador,
wrote an Op-Ed article in The New York Times on July 6, 2003, saying that
nothing he had seen on a mission to Niger for the C.I.A. confirmed that Mr.
Hussein was seeking uranium.

If Mr. Bush acted that early, it would suggest that the administration was
growing concerned as evidence emerged that the intelligence was flawed. But
the White House account also appears to separate Mr. Bush from the
involvement in the selective release of the information to a few reporters,
first Bob Woodward of The Washington Post, then Judith Miller of The New
York Times. Both say they met Mr. Libby; neither authored articles about the
disclosure after their meetings.

A separate effort was occurring simultaneously at the White House to
declassify a significant part of the estimate by July 18, 2003. It is
unclear why that process was necessary if Mr. Bush had already authorized
the release of the information.

The disclosure that Mr. Bush had spoken with Mr. Cheney about the release of
material from the intelligence report on Iraq was made in a legal brief
filed last Wednesday by Patrick J. Fitzgerald, the special counsel in the
C.I.A. leak case.

Mr. Fitzgerald's brief indicates that Mr. Cheney spoke twice with Mr. Libby
about the leak of information from the intelligence estimate. Their first
conversation took place sometime at the end of June, according to lawyers
with clients in the case. The Washington Post reported Saturday that Mr.
Libby provided information from the estimate to Mr. Woodward on June, 27,
2003.

Mr. Fitzgerald divulged the White House leak effort as part of his legal
maneuvering to restrict Mr. Libby's access to classified documents for use
in his trial on perjury and obstruction charges. Mr. Libby has sought the
material in an apparent effort to show that he was primarily focused on the
intelligence estimate and might have misspoken when he was asked during the
inquiry about his conversations with journalists relating to the identity of
Mr. Wilson's wife, Valerie Wilson, a C.I.A. officer.

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TOPIC: Iraqi insurgents use mannequins, pigeons to kill
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Iraqi insurgents use mannequins, pigeons to kill

Kites and children also used in guerrilla warfare

RAMADI, Iraq (AP) -- On an eerie, battle-scarred street in this blown-out
urban war zone, a mannequin with painted black hair stares silently at U.S.
Marines hunkered down in sandbagged observation posts atop buildings a few
blocks away.

It's the latest insurgent ruse in an evolving war pitting the world's most
powerful military against guerrilla fighters using their most effective
weapon: ingenuity.

Insurgents in Ramadi recently have flown kites over U.S. troops to align
mortar-fire, released pigeons to give away U.S. troop movements and staged
attacks at fake funeral processions complete with rocket-stuffed coffins,
U.S. forces deployed here say.

"They're crafty, I'll give 'em that," said Marine Cpl. John Strobridge, 20,
of Orlando, Florida, as his Humvee passed the mannequin along one of the
most bomb-infested roads in town, a street Americans call Route Michigan.

"Gun it! Gun it!" he shouted to his driver as the vehicle crossed a
frequently targeted intersection.

The mannequin first popped up a few weeks ago in the courtyard of a
secondary school near a collapsed building. The simple figure appears to be
made of wood, with a white shirt and blue plants painted on. Two white arms
hang down, carrying a briefcase.

"We kind of laugh at it. We don't know why they do it," Strobridge said.
"But I think the idea is, we get used to looking at the mannequin, and then
one day there's a real person standing there" -- with an AK-47 or a rocket
launcher.

Marines said there's no point stopping to take it down. The road is too
dangerous, and such bizarre sites often are booby-trapped. At the bottom of
a light pole beside another mannequin elsewhere in the city, the sleeve of
an American MRE military ration package was found concealing a bomb.

Dummies that explode

A Marine intelligence officer, who declined to be identified because he is
not authorized to speak to the media, said insurgents had placed other
booby-trapped mannequins on roadsides, hoping U.S. forces would believe they
were corpses and stop to check on them. He said they had used the same trick
with real corpses.

In recent weeks, Marines found a human leg in the road with a
pressure-switch bomb set to go off when it was picked up.

"The enemy will always try different things to try to get us to bite on.
They're very smart," Capt. Andrew Del Gaudio, 30, commander of Kilo Company,
3rd Battalion, 8th Marine Regiment, said during an interview at Government
Center, a sandbagged fortress topped with camouflage netting that serves as
headquarters to the provincial government.

"They sit there and watch us, observe us for weeks at a time, see how we
operate and how we react to things," said Del Gaudio, of Mount Laurel, New
Jersey. "Then they try to place obstacles in our path."

The U.S. military conducts a huge array of counterinsurgency tactics, both
offensive and defensive, but most of them are classified.

Marines stationed at Government Center, which came under a two-hour
sustained attack Saturday by dozens of gunmen, say insurgents regularly
creep through the abandoned, shot-up buildings surrounding it, storing
ammunition in empty houses and firing rockets, mortars and automatic
weapons.

Sometimes insurgents will shine flashlights at U.S. guard posts, trying to
blind Marines' night-vision goggles. Guerrillas have been seen crawling
slowly on their bellies, trying to lay bombs.

Insurgent snipers -- hiding in tall buildings -- are a constant threat. One
was spotted -- and subsequently fired upon -- observing a U.S. position with
binoculars through a hole left in a wall where a single brick had been
removed from under a window. Bombs hidden in trash

The most dangerous threat, however, remains roadside bombs -- hidden in
trash, potholes, piles of dirt or dead animal carcasses.

U.S. forces regularly sweep the roads for bombs, and insurgents sometimes
try to remove them, then replace them. Another tactic: dropping a harmless
piece of trash by the roadside one day, planting explosives in it the next,
then arming it later and triggering it from blocks away with a cordless
telephone.

Marine and Army officials said guerrilla fighters also fly kites that signal
to other fighters where U.S. soldiers are, to help them direct their fire,
and Del Gaudio said insurgents have released flocks of pigeons into the air
as an American or Iraqi patrol goes by so that other fighters know where
U.S. forces are.

Carlos Goetz, 29, of Miami, Florida, said insurgents also have used mosque
loudspeakers to signal impending attacks.

"They'll call for blood drives in the hospital or say there's gonna be a
funeral procession, and seven out of 10 times that's code for an attack,"
Goetz said.

That apparently bore true one day last week, when an assault on Government
Center -- two mortars and some small arms fire -- was preceded by a funeral
announcement broadcast from minarets.

Goetz said insurgents in Ramadi have held funeral processions carrying a
coffin through the streets. They set the coffin down behind a wall, whipped
out assault rifles and rocket-launchers and began attacking U.S. positions,
Goetz said.

"Firepower-wise they're no match for us, but that's the nature and beauty of
an insurgency they capitalize on their strengths to hit our weaknesses,"
Del Gaudio said.

Insurgents in Ramadi have destroyed the city's cell phone towers and land
lines, cutting off a key avenue for locals to tip off U.S. and Iraqi forces
of guerrilla activities. People sympathetic to U.S. or Iraqi troops are
especially targeted by insurgents, who have issued warnings with black spray
paint on villa walls calling for collaborators to be killed.

Del Gaudio said he'd come under fire by a dozen insurgents who were holding
children and firing at U.S. forces -- knowing Marines would not return fire.
Goetz said a 12- or 13-year-old had been spotted Saturday planting a
roadside bomb.

"They fight us hard, they are a determined enemy," Del Gaudio said. "But
there is no morality there. They hide among the population, among families,
women and children. That's how they fight. That's how they do what they do."

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TOPIC: White House Denies War Plans Against Iran
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Radio Havana Cuba
http://www.radiohc.cu

White House Denies Claims of War Plans Against Iran

Havana, April 10 (RHC)-The Bush Administration on Sunday denied
reports that the United States is planning for possible air strikes
on Iran.

One of the reports, published in the New Yorker magazine, raised the
possibility of using nuclear bombs against Iran's underground nuclear
sites.

An Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman, Hamidreza Assefi, called the
plans part of a psychological war.

"The Americans want to create a crisis over our nuclear program and do
not wish for the case to be over," he was quoted as saying. "They are
not happy about any kind of agreement between us and Russia or any
other country so they rely on creating psychological war."

U.S. officials have said that a military response could be considered
if Iran fails to halt its nuclear ambitions. But US presidential aid,
Dan Bartlett, attempted to calm fears of an imminent US attack.

"The president's priority is to find a diplomatic solution to a
problem the entire world recognizes," he said. "And those who are
drawing broad, definitive conclusions based on normal defense and
intelligence planning, are ill-informed and are not knowledgeable of
the administration's thinking."

The United States and some European nations claim that Iran is trying
to develop nuclear weapons while Iran says its nuclear program is for
peaceful energy purposes, which it has a right to pursue under the
Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.

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TOPIC: Bolivian President Hails Cuba's Medical Help
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Radio Havana Cuba
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Bolivian President Praises Cuba's Medical Assistance

Havana, April 10 (RHC-ACN)-- Bolivian President Evo Morales announced
on Sunday the opening of a new ophthalmologic center with modern
equipment "thanks to the support of the Cuban government and people."

The eye care center is in the hospital of Villa Tunari -590 Kilometers
away from the capital, 8,000 ft up in the mountains.

In statements during his tour across the central region of Cochabamba,
Morales highlighted Cuban solidarity in the field of healthcare.

He also added that another ophthalmologic center is scheduled to be
opened shortly in the eastern region of Santa Cruz -the first one was
established in La Paz.

This initiative is part of the eye-surgery project, Operation Miracle,
- -promoted by Cuba and Venezuela- which has restored the sight of over
200,000 low-income Latin American patients after its implementation in
July 2004.

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TOPIC: US Diplomat the "Neighborhood Bully" - Venez Minister
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Prensa Latina, Havana
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US Ambassador Acts Like the "Neighborhood Bully" - Venez Minister

Caracas, Apr 10 (Prensa Latina) Venezuelan Minister for Information
and Communications William Lara said US Ambassador to Caracas William
Brownfield´s "neighborhood bully" attitude is creating tension in the
country.

Lara recalled that the government guarantees security to all
accredited diplomatic missions equally, but they must abide by the
Vienna Convention and the Foreign Ministry.

"He must behave like a diplomat and keep hands-off domestic affairs.
He is giving opinions; he is pestering, presenting more releases than
the opposition. He is not an opposition manager, but a diplomat."

The minister noted that Brownfield "goes from one provocation to
another, like a troublemaker seeking to arose friction between both
countries, but he will get a response from the Venezuelan people."

He pointed out that the US diplomat can meet with those who share his
views in Venezuela, as long as he respect Venezuelan laws.

At Sunday's broadcast of "Alo presidente" Hugo Chavez warned that
Brownfield could face eviction if he insists on provocation and
disrespect for the Vienna Convention.

Chavez gave an example of such provocation in an incident last week
when the diplomat was insulted in a Caracas neighborhood, after which
the US State Department threatened Venezuela.

Chavez repeated that he does not want any aggression, noting that
Venezuela does not promote such an attitude, but the ambassador must
coordinate his visits with the government.

"If the White House adopts any measure motivated by his provocations,
we would declare him persona non grata in Venezuela," he said, adding
that US ambassadors are "badly trained" and take liberties no other
diplomat takes," warning that Brownfield's recklessness may generate a
serious incident.

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TOPIC: Bolivia Stands Firm in Rejecting IMF, Free Trade Deals
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Bolivian Govt Stands Firm in Rejecting IMF, Free Trade Deals

La Paz, Apr 10 (Prensa Latina) The government of President Evo Morales
ratified Monday its refusal to sign agreements with the International
Monetary Fund or a free trade treaty with the US.

In a meeting with the international press accredited here, Bolivian
Planning Minister Carlos Villegas revealed the government started
negotiations to recover state stock control of private enterprises and
that the new Bolivian government has told governments and
organizations cooperating with Bolivia that the nation will define
where and how to invest resources

He said that this reverses a situation in which foreign corporations
defined policies, strategies and priorities.

Asked about relations with IMF, Villegas said that before this
administration, the IMF had a policy of excessive interference in
Bolivian domestic affairs and the country had put all its efforts into
the macro-economy, to the perceived detriment of individual Bolivians.

Villegas affirmed that Bolivia could take care of balancing its
macro-economy and pointed out that the international economic
situation is quite favorable to Bolivia due to relations with
economies, such as China and India.

He stated there would be no conditions imposed by the IMF, and the
government will keep "a fraternal relationship with this
organization."

Of a trade agreement with the US, the minister said that, as proposed,
such an agreement would affect local producers, and only benefit a
small group of exporting countries.

He confirmed the government is looking for alternatives, giving as
examples negotiations with Argentina and Brazil for commercial
agreements.

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TOPIC: Disgusting McVay! Funded by Bnai Brith!! EVIDENCE! NOT MUCH LONGER!!
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Date: Mon, Apr 10 2006 9:56 pm
From: Harry Mazal

Reply to: George" <firestone@hemisphere.com>, <firestone@bellsouth.net>
and Art@bellsouth.net

It seems even Jews at BB are fed up with McVay, per their website:
http://www.freedomsite.org/exposed/littman/littman_on_mcvay/index.shtml

PROOF THAT MCVAY SWINDLES EVERYONE, AND DOES NOT DECLARE INCOME FOR TAXES!!

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/5863ead7b3942e76?fwc=1
Subject: $50,000 Not Reported to CCRA by The Nizkor Project? Ken McVay is
Lying About Funds He Has Apparently NOT Reported to CCRA!! SAAF Report for
2002 Is Further Proof! V3.5 T_0929
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 04:41:48 -0500
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http://groups.google.com/group/sci.skeptic/msg/af974e5ec5085cce?fwc=1
(Archived locally as: McVaySlamDunked_A5 and McVaySlamDunked_A6)
Subject: SAAF San Antonio Area Foundation - Nizkor Fund -- Some New Archives
and The Same Funding Lie by Ken McVay Exposed V3-0 T_0822
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Date: 23 Aug 2005 04:32:17 GMT

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/56a1a43fe4f9d61d?fwc=1
Subject: The Nizkor Project Deals in Forged Documents and Smear Financed With
Exempt Donations V3-2 T_0929
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Date: 29 Sep 2005 15:34:29 GMT

All links have been updated such as internal GOOGLE links! Just quoting parts
of the abov where McVay says one thing and then another pisses him off!

From: knight@indystart.com (Black Knight)
Newsgroups: alt.revisionism,soc.culture.jewish,can.general,alt.homosexual
Subject: Re: NIZKOR MUST OF FAILED; LOOK WHAT McVAY DOES NOW FOR MONEY
Date: 13 Oct 2002 06:18:15 -0700
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message
news:<1e95dbd5bc56bcd37a9cdd94346cd061@dizum.com>...
> On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:10:07 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio wrote:

> >His ex-wife got custody of Lisa as a result. McVay's fixation with porn
> >movies and downloading naked children photos from the internet could of
> >been a contributing factor. Call McVay at 1-250-616-9431 or write him at
> >P.O. Box 244, Station A; Nanaimo, B.C. V9R 5K9 Canada and ask him why he
> >is a child molester pedophile.

> PHOTO OF SEXUAL PERVERT AND SADIST KEN MCVAY
> http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

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Is it true that McVay has been convicted 3 times
in the US for molesting infants?

What did his sexual aberations play in his divorce in Nanaimo,Canada?
In article <26f0f0a37f7103ef1d87c956725ca6c3@dizum.com>,
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:

> We give thanks to Mr. David Michael for his research into
> Ken McVay's marriage and divorce. Now we have a starting point
> to find out where McVay lives because those divorce papers
> will have specifics on them. McVay could of gotten away with his
> shenanigans if he would of left well enough alone.

> We are going to reveal more about McVay's drug habits, his
> alcoholism, his wife beating, his molesting his teen aged daughter,
> and his letting other men molest his pre-teen daughter so McVay
> could exact bisexual favors from the men molesting his daughter.
> We are going to prove Ken McVay would let other men molest his
> daughter in exchange for McVay getting to perform sex acts with
> those men.

> We are going to make Ken McVay's life a veritable living hell.
> We may even drive him to suicide when we are finished with him.

Oracle "A statement of fact cannot be insolent."

What were the real reasons for Mrs. McVay divorcing Ken McVay?
What connection/part did daughter Lisa play in the divorce?

Is McVay such a disgusting criminal, that he supported
the kiddie porn distributor from the Halifax synagogue?

What other crimes, besides Income Tax Fraud in both
the US and Canada has McVay been convicted of?

Is McVay, like the Rabbis in the US, another drug dealer?

These are some of the questions McVay needs to answer.

Obviously his former employers have some of the answers,
which is why the former gas station attendant is no
longer getting paid by jew organisations since January.
Even respectable jews don't want to be associated with
filth like McVay, or whatever his real name is.

How soon until BNAI BRITH dumps all connections with
the child molester McVay, operating Nizkor as a one-fag business?

http://www.nizkor.org/encouragements/bootboy.html
<start quote>

This crudely assembled and executed compliment to The Nizkor Project,
created by a Skinhead calling himself "Bootboy," appeared in 1995 at
a web site in Texas: "WARNING! There is a confessed child-molester who
goes by the name of Ken McVay who frequents these news groups. It is
not worth the time to read all the crap this piece of sub-human filth
posts, however a visit to his web page might prove interesting. NOT!"

As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material
should give an indication as to the why.

"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]

Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he look like
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?

http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

The greater majority of child molesters also have the same unkempt
appearence too and this is due to their own lack of self esteem. It
is the manifested lack of self esteem which drives people such as
McVay to engage in the sordid lifestyles they engage in. McVay can't deal with
mature women thus he does what he does and takes it as a compliment when
someone points out he's a child molester.
[McVay will have homosexual relations with adult men however.]

Links to the confessed child-molester's web site and source of funding;
The Nizkor Project: http://www.nizkor.org
http://www.nizkor.org/league-donation.html

If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
is a revolutionary act."
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant

If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit www.freedomsite.org

Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!

"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
is a revolutionary act."
(George Orwell)

David Icke - '...and the truth shall set you free'

"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)

"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
and impossible to ignore."
--John Bryant

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1-713-266-7764

Steven Horn (KCOM)
1836 NW 11th St
Oklahoma City, OK 73106
(405) 524-0576

together with
Boris Dynin <boris@sonic.net> = NAMBLA executive &
Henry<hermcam@mindspring.com>
CALL late nights to discuss: (408) 773-0984
Email me: boris@movil.com , boris@sonic.net or even
VISIT me at:
55 Chumasero Drive, Daly City, San Francisco 94132

We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.

Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431

As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material
should give an indication as to the why.

Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg

For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David Michael's
detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and is
known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a grosvenor!!
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases, just
to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.

Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
Email me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially late
nights.

Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787 or
send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
work:(780)492-0473

And also: George Firestone: "George" <firestone@hemisphere.com>

Here is Fag Rianin's own web page: http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!

For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com

Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!

Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com

Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.

They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.

As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.

In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
for many years around the world.

Reply-To: "George" <firestone@hemisphere.com>

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TOPIC: is it possible jesus was a pakistani? (Re: MANUSCRIPT SAYS JESUS
REQUESTED BETRAYAL)
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f1b782711f8373d3
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 4:04 am
From: usenet@mantra.comkoo55 and/or www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj)

You may be right. Jesus was a failed activist-turned-militant
in his younger years and likely developed the same mindset that
Paki Muslim terrorist suicide bombers display. Consequently, he
got his ass nailed to the cross.

Jai Maharaj
http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

In article <klw_f.627$fG3.241@dukeread09>,
"harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
> this is bad news for kirastanism as if it needed any more.
> this shows jesus was plotting his own killing (ie suicide). kirastanis
> looked stupidest when they claim jesus died for others, now they will look
> even more stupidest if they can manage to sound so stupid when making that
> claim.
>
> jesus got himself killed to give the pagan romans a bad name; in that sense
> jesus might be a packie - packies often accuse hindus of plotting their own
> terror killings in order to give packies a bad name, don't they?
>
>
> www.mantra.com/jai (Dr. Jai Maharaj) posted:
>
> > Manuscript says Jesus requested betrayal
> >
> > Ancient text shows a different Judas
> >
> > By Randolph E. Schmid
> > Associated Press Writer
> > Seattle Post Intelligencer
> > Friday, April 7, 2006 - Last updated 6:30 a.m. PT
> >
> > This image provided by the National Geographic Society
> > shows the codex containing the Gospel of Judas was torn
> > and crumbling before conservation work began. on display
> > at the Society in Washington. The ancient manuscript
> > rediscovered after 1,700 years may shed new light on the
> > relationship between Jesus and Judas, the disciple who
> > betrayed him. (AP Photo/Florence Darbre, National
> > Geographic Society)
> >
> > WASHINGTON - For 2,000 years Judas has been reviled for
> > betraying Jesus. Now a newly translated ancient document
> > seeks to tell his side of the story.
> >
> > The "Gospel of Judas" tells a far different tale from the
> > four gospels in the New Testament. It portrays Judas as a
> > favored disciple who was given special knowledge by Jesus
> > - and who turned him in at Jesus' request.
> >
> > "You will be cursed by the other generations - and you
> > will come to rule over them," Jesus tells Judas in the
> > document made public Thursday.
> >
> > The text, one of several ancient documents found in the
> > Egyptian desert in 1970, was preserved and translated by
> > a team of scholars. It was made public in an English
> > translation by the National Geographic Society.
> >
> > Religious and lay readers alike will debate the meaning
> > and truth of the manuscript.
> >
> > But it does show the diversity of beliefs in early
> > Christianity, said Marvin Meyer, professor of Bible
> > studies at Chapman University in Orange, Calif.
> >
> > The text, in the Coptic language, was dated to about the
> > year 300 and is a copy of an earlier Greek version.
> >
> > A "Gospel of Judas" was first mentioned around A.D. 180
> > by Bishop Irenaeus of Lyon, in what is now France. The
> > bishop denounced the manuscript as heresy because it
> > differed from mainstream Christianity. The actual text
> > had been thought lost until this discovery.
> >
> > Elaine Pagels, a professor of religion at Princeton
> > University, said, "The people who loved, circulated and
> > wrote down these gospels did not think they were
> > heretics."
> >
> > Added Rev. Donald Senior, president of the Catholic
> > Theological Union of Chicago: "Let a vigorous debate on
> > the significance of this fascinating ancient text begin."
> >
> > Senior expressed doubt that the new gospel will rival the
> > New Testament, but he allowed that opinions are likely to
> > vary.
> >
> > Craig Evans, a professor at Acadia Divinity College in
> > Nova Scotia, Canada, said New Testament explanations for
> > Judas' betrayal range from money to the influence of
> > Satan.
> >
> > "Perhaps more now can be said," he commented. The
> > document "implies that Judas only did what Jesus wanted
> > him to do."
> >
> > Christianity in the ancient world was much more diverse
> > than it is now, with a number of gospels circulating in
> > addition to the four that were finally collected into the
> > New Testament, noted Bart Ehrman, chairman of religious
> > studies at the University of North Carolina.
> >
> > Eventually, one point of view prevailed and the others
> > were declared heresy, he said, including the Gnostics who
> > believed that salvation depended on secret knowledge that
> > Jesus imparted, particularly to Judas.
> >
> > In Cairo, the editor of the Coptic weekly "Watani,"
> > Youssef Sidhom, did not want to make an immediate
> > judgment on the manuscript.
> >
> > "However," he said, "this will not greatly affect the
> > central belief that considers Judas as a traitor, but
> > there is an old school of thought that says one should
> > not persecute Judas because his role was to complete the
> > prophecies. It seems that the new manuscript will support
> > this point of view - that Judas' role was pivotal to
> > completing the prophecies."
> >
> > The newly translated document's text begins: "The secret
> > account of the revelation that Jesus spoke in
> > conversation with Judas Iscariot."
> >
> > In a key passage Jesus tells Judas, "You will exceed all
> > of them. For you will sacrifice the man that clothes me."
> >
> > This indicates that Judas would help liberate the
> > spiritual self by helping Jesus get rid of his physical
> > flesh, the scholars said.
> >
> > "Step away from the others and I shall tell you the
> > mysteries of the kingdom," Jesus says to Judas, singling
> > him out for special status. "Look, you have been told
> > everything. Lift up your eyes and look at the cloud and
> > the light within it and the stars surrounding it. The
> > star that leads the way is your star."
> >
> > The text ends with Judas turning Jesus over to the high
> > priests and does not include any mention of the
> > crucifixion or resurrection.
> >
> > National Geographic said the author believed that Judas
> > Iscariot alone understood the true significance of Jesus'
> > teachings. The author of the text is not named in the
> > writings.
> >
> > Discovered in 1970, the papyrus was kept in a safety
> > deposit box for several years and began to deteriorate
> > before conservators restored it. More than 1,000 pieces
> > had to be reassembled.
> >
> > The material will be donated to the Coptic museum in
> > Cairo, Egypt, so it can be available to all scholars said
> > Ted Waitt of the Waitt Institute for Historical
> > Discovery, which helped finance the restoration.
> >
> > In addition to radio carbon dating, the manuscript was
> > also authenticated through ink analysis, multispectral
> > imaging, content and linguistic style and handwriting
> > style, National Geographic reported.
> >
> > - - -
> >
> > On the Net:
> > http://www9.nationalgeographic.com/lostgospel/
> >
> > More at:
> > http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110AP_Gospel_of_Judas.html
> >
> > Jai Maharaj
> > http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
> > http://www.mantra.com/jai
> > Om Shanti
> >
> > Hindu Holocaust Museum
> > http://www.mantra.com/holocaust
> >
> > Hindu life, principles, spirituality and philosophy
> > http://www.hindu.org
> > http://www.hindunet.org
> >
> > The truth about Islam and Muslims
> > http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate
> >
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TOPIC: Dershowitz smokes Measheimer-Walt....
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/fcfb48e4ee8ba1a9
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 10 2006 9:05 pm
From: "serwad"

--
"I hope the time is not far off,when I shall be able to unite all the wise
and educated men of all the countries and establish auniform regime based on
the principles of Qu'ran, which alone are true.and which alone can lead,man
to happiness" (Napoleon Bonaparte)

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TOPIC: $10,000 Reward for Thai Air Force Commander Akkavibul
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/416ef42277b367dc
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 2:48 am
From: Anonymous

Reward paid on conviction of Suchart and Yuwadee Akkavibul.

http://thailand.ahrchk.net/mainfile.php/general/29/

http://www.ahrchk.net/ua/mainfile.php/2004/886/

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TOPIC: COMO SE PUEDE EXPLICAR ESTO ...QUE UDS. DEFIENDAN A UN REGIMEN CON
TANTO CRIMEN, SANGRE Y ABUSOS EN SU HABER ???????????????????
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/357bda9cdc245c01
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 10 2006 11:58 pm
From: "PM"

"Viejo Vizcacha" <nats_uglyman@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
1144705533.434968.81000@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...

PM wrote:
> Calle Cuba http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/cuba/ind
> "Viejo Vizcacha" <nats_uglyman@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
> 1144620553.635292.296280@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>
> ¿Y cual fue la ayuda externa que tuvieron los anticomunistas de
> Polonia, Hungría, Yugoslavia, Rumania, Bulgaria, Checoslovaquia que
> les permitieron derribar esos regímenes?
>
> ===================================
> Y ...TU DINOS CUANTOS ANIOS LES TARDO EN PODER LIBERARSE Y COMO LO
HICIERON
> ...???? a ver ...desde 1945 , la post guerra cuando fueron victimas de
> los zarpazos de los sovieticos HASTA 1990-1 , o sea casi .....el
mismo
> LAPSO DE TIEMPO
> QUE LLEVA EL TIRANOS DE CUBA EN EL PODER :47 ANIOS !
>
> NAH! segurisisismo que tu no recuerdas el anio aquel en que entraron los
> tanques rusos en Praga...1968 !>
================================================
¡Pues justamente! De 1945 a 1968 pasaron MENOS de 20 años. De 1945 a
1956, en Hungría, pasaron MENOS de 12 años. Esos pueblos se
levantaron SIN ARMAS, y para terminar con la revuelta tuvieron que
traer tanques de otros países.
==========================================================
QUE DESCARADO E HIJO DE PERRA ERES VIEJA MARI-VIZCA !
Si pero el hecho ese en 1968 no significa que se lograron liberar antes
de 1991...
Di ...cuando fue que los checos pudieron decir : somos libres ! y en que
anio ???

Tambien en Hungria se levantaron en 1956 , pero les paso como a los
cubanos que se levantaron en armas entre 1960 y 1967 : los alzados cubanos
mayoritariamente campesinos y QUE NO PUEDIERON LIBERAR A CUBA DE SU
TIRANICO TRAIDOR Y DICTADOR. o luego de la INVASION POR PLAYA GIRON Asi
que no trates de escapar por una tangente y con un subterfugio tan
estupido como ese que tratas de meter aqui
PORQUE LOS HUNGAROS SIGUIERON BAJO EL YUGO SOVIETICO HASTA 1991 !

E IGUALMENTE EL RESTO DE PAISES SOJUZGADOS POR EL KREMLIN... ,

O SEA CHECOSLOVAKIA, BULGARIA, POLONIA,LATVIA, ESTONIA, LITUANIA, RUMANIA,
UKRANIA, GEORGIA, MOLDOVIA ,AZERBADJIAN ETC. ETC. ETC. sin contar que
toda RUSIA estuvo desde 1917 ...hasta 1990...bajo el sistema totalitario
sovietico y stalinista. O SEA 73 ANIOS !!!

Precisamente , tardaron de 1945 a 1990 todos esos paises satelites y
TAMBIEN LA EX-UNION SOVIETICA en poder hacer la transicion A LA LIBERTAD
... pero no hubo guerra, no hubo alzamientos,
SALVO EN HUNGRIA EN 1956 y en Checoslovaquia en 1968.
Y aunque hubieron varias manifestaciones de rechazo a los comunistas y a la
URSS en Berlin y alemania Oriental

NO PUDIERON SALIRSE DE DEBAJO DE LAS BOTAS DEL KREMLIN hasta despues de
1990..
o sea mas o menos 40 anios igual que lleva Cuba bajo las botas del tirnao
traidor .

PERO ...y dinos CUANTOS ANIOS LLEVA KOREA DEL NORTE SIN PODER SALIRSE DEL
YUGO SANGRIENTO DE LA DINASTIA DE KIM IL SUNG ????

A VER 1945 HASTA 2006.... NOS DA = 61 ANIOS BAJO LAS BOTAS DE LOS KIM IL
SNG PADRE PRIMERO Y LUEGO EL HIJO ...O SEA LA DINASTIA DE LOS KIM IL
SUNG...
dime mari vizcachanchona...

tu crees que esos coreanos sean pendejos de verdad ? ves lo
estupidisima que eres y lo bruta que demuestra ser con tus pavadas ???
responde : tu crees que todos los nord- koreanos sean pendejos ???

JA, JA, JAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!

PERMITAME QUE ME RIA DE SU COMEMIERDERIA MARICONZONA VIZCA...
TU CREES QUE ME DISMINUYE O INSULTA CON SUS CAGADAS O LAS PAVADAS QUE
USAS COMO INSULTOS ? TE EQUIVOCAS..UNA VEZ MAS...! ERES TU. EL ESTUPIDO
TARATUPIDO Y COBARDE QUE TRATA DE ESCAPAR CON SUBTERFUGIOS Y SOFISMAS MAS
BIEN BURDOS Y OBVIOS PARA QUIEN ANALICE TUS VOMITIVAS RESPUESTAS...

Tur eres la unica sopenca en esta discusion...
Porque --al igual que otros aqui--- saben perfectamente que los CONTROLES
aplicados en paises comunistas o marxistas totalitarios, no dejan el menor
resquicio, la menor brecha para poder rebelarse,
sin embargo,...AUN ASI , EN CUBA SE ALZARON MILES DE CUBANOS,
PRINCIPALMENTE CAMPESINOS, No es en vano que ese regimen ha necesitado de
mas de 300 carceles y campos de concentracion. VER : " DIARIO DE UN ALZADO
EN GOOGLE."

Y que hiciera uso del TERROR DE ESTADO para amedrentar al pueblo.
Cosa esta que lograron igual , identicamente que lo logro Stalin en Rsia y
como lo ha logrado la dinastia nordkoreana de Kim Il Sung.
Donde nadie se atreve ni a mirar con la cabeza en alto y de frente a los
altos dirigentes, y al Kim Il Sung II como si fuese un Dios...se le postran
de rodillas , llenos de terror .

MARICON !???
>
> Y No trates de tergiversar esa Historia que no hace mucho la teniamos en
> todos los mass medias dia y noche...
>
> 1.-NO fue el Galdnost y Perestroika de Gorbachek por un lado
> 2,- los proyectos como STARS WAR DE REAGAN los que hicieron colapsar
una
> Economia ya en ruta a la ruina ?
> 3,-Amen de la hecatombe de Afganistan dond eperdieron miliardos de rublos
y
> millares de hombres ?
> Despues d e los eneromes gastos en Vietnam y con el hueco sin fondo que
era
> Kasstro &N*??%&???
>
> O TAL VEZ TU QUIERES DECIRNOS QUE LOS CHECOS SE LIBERARON, COMO LOS
POLACOS,
> LOS ALEMANES DEL ESTE ETC. LOS HUNGAROS Y BULGAROS , por la via de
> revoluciones armadas y una guerra civil contra los poderes de los
> sovieticos ???
> No trates sapingo que aqui nadie es analfabeto y muchos estamos tras
la
> noticia continauamente....
>
> ===========================
>
> Son ustedes una pandilla de ignorantes. No son ustedes ni siquiera
> anticomunistas. Son una manada de pendejos, cipayos, pollerudos,
> miedicas, tontolinos, pavotes, bobalicones, y cagones.
> ===============
>
>
> SI POR ESO EL ASESINO EN JEFE TUVO QUE FUSILAR A MAS DE 12,000 CUBANOS...
> porque eramos pendejos...
>
> SI ...SI ... POR ESO EN L;A CUBA ANTERIOR A SU REGIMEN SOLO TENIAMOS UNAS
> 20 PRISIONES EN TODO EL PAIS... Y AHORA : 345 incluyendo algo que no
existia
> ANTES DE 1959 : campos de concnetracion o de trabajos forzados.
>
> Nah ! sera que esa prisiones eran solo para el """"hombre nuevo""" o para
> los mas de 700,000
> cubanos y cubanas que fueron condenados desde unos pocos anios de
carcel
> hasta 30 anios de prision por """ contrarrevolucionarios""" EN UN PAIS
> DONDE JAMAS ANTES NINGUNA MUJER CUBANA FUE A
> CUMPLIR PENAS DE CARCEL POR RAZONES POLITICAS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Y donde mucvhisimo menos SE CONDENO A UNA JOVEN MENOR DE EDAD ACARCEL
POR
> ESA RAZON COMO SI LO HA ESTADO HACIENDO ESTE GRANDISIMO HIJO DE LA GRAN
> PUTA FIDLE KASSTRO .
>
> Por eso es que jamas ni tu , ni nadie podran pararme en mi accion, ni
> aqui, ni en persona ni en ninguan circunstancias... porque yo me los paso
a
> toditos uds. por el forro de mis cojones un millon de veces !!!CAPICCE
?%??
> MARICONZON !
>
>
> VV
>
> Ichi wrote:
> > No sea imbecil cagalitroso,ningun regimen comunista ha sido derribado
sin
> > ayuda externa,Los españoles tuvieron ayuda de Hitler y Mussolini,nadie
mas
> > ha ayudado a las victimas de los puercos comunistas.
> >
> > "Viejo Vizcacha" <nats_uglyman@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1144514968.698087.30590@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > PM wrote:
> > > y ud. es tremendo mariconzon y envidioso, ademas increiblemente
> estupido
> > > o mas bien mal intencionado y nauseabundamente cinico...
> > > PUES SABE MUY BIEN QUE A LOS CUBANOS NO LES FALTAN COJONES...
> > > Una cosa es no tener cojones Y OTRA.................. MUY DISTINTA
> > > ............ ES NO PODER VENCER CONTRA UN ENEMIGO.
> > >
> > > Yo le apuesto a ud. UN MILLON CONTRA UN DOLAR... a que un peso pluma
> > > jamas
> > > venceria a un peso completo en un ring...
> > >
> >
> >
> > Pero que tanta lloradera. Si de lo que hablamos no es de pesos pluma,
> > mosca o completo. Hay en Miami cerca de DOS MILLONES de inmigrantes
> > cubanos. Supongamos que solamente el cinco por ciento son gente que ama
> > la libertad y está en edad de pelear por la patria. esos son cien mil
> > cubanos en Florida. Con todos los cubanos de TANTO ÉXITO, que según
> > ustedes son la ENVIDIA DE TODOS, y que ocupan PUESTOS TAN IMPORTANTES,
> > y que TANTO PODER TIENEN EN ESTADOS UNIDOS, pues uno imagina que no
> > debe ser tan dificil armarlos con el mejor armamento que hay en este
> > lado del Atlántico. ¿Por que no pasa eso?
> >
> >
> > Porque es imposible encontrar no ya cien mil, ni cincuenta mil. Es
> > imposible siquiera encontrar veinte mil (un uno por ciento) que esten
> > dispuestos a ir a luchar a la isla. Y no se sabe porque, porque según
> > ellos todos los de la isla los van a recibir con los brazos abiertos.
> >
> > ¡Que pendejos! ¡Que bocazas! ¡Que cobardes! ¡Que mamones!
> >
> > Ningún otro movimiento de oposición en la historia de la humanidad ha
> > tenido tantas posibilidades como los gusanos. Ningún otro movimiento
> > ha tenido la oportunidad de encontrar asilo y refugio en el país más
> > poderoso de la tierra, a menos de cien millas del país natal, que los
> > reciba por cientos de miles, y por millones, y donde les ofrezcan
> > posibilidades que solamente se le dan a los ciudadanos del país que
> > los recibe. Nadie, absolutamente nadie en la historia de las
> > oposiciones a gobiernos ha tenido las oporutnidades que esta pandilla
> > de cagones y pollerudos han tenido. ¿Y que hacen con todo eso?
> > ¡¡¡REZAR PARA QUE EL TIRANO SE MUERA!!!
> >
> > ¡Son unos maricones!
> >
> > VV

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TOPIC: the RIGHT TO LIVE IN AMERICA !
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2aab17c70f2277e2
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 10 2006 11:59 pm
From: "PM"

If the people of the world wish to enjoy unlimited freedom to enter the
United States of America, to enjoy all the rights of American citizenship,
and the benefits and prosperity available to every American who is willing
to work for them, which is in effect what the more than 11 million
undocumented aliens are demanding, let them overthrow their own inept,
corrupt, and/or tyrannical governments, renounce the doctrine of
self-determination allegedly cherished by people around the world, and
utterly submit themselves to the laws and norms of the American people.

America waged a war to free itself from tyranny, with help from French,
Cubans, and others. Other nations can also wage wars to free themselves. If
they need help, they can ask for it. Or they can free themselves. George W.
Bush stated that if a people requires the help of the United States, they
need only ask for it.

The above are two theoretical solutions to the world's problems. The
solution of permitting all foreigners to enter the United States whenever
they wish is not a solution. The poor and oppressed of the world will not
all fit into the United States. And those who now demand an assumed right,
that is no right at all, to be allowed to stay in the United States without
having utilized the approved immigration process, are asking to be given
preferred status over those who follow the approved process.
With few exceptions, that is not justice.

Those aliens who now march in the streets of America, threatening to strike
or otherwise obstruct American society, who now enjoy no legal status, who
demand a status to which they have no natural right, who carry signs reading
"We did not pass the border- the border passed us," are not the kind of
people who show respect for the laws and norms of the United States, nor for
the rights of those who already are citizens.

Those who reject the proposal that they pay taxes due as their contribution
toward sustaining American institutions and processes, as a prerequisite to
enjoying legal status in America, are absolutely not what America needs to
"contribute" to its welfare and prosperity. America already has plenty of
the uncooperative or antisocial among its citizens and residents. It needs
to prevent more of this type from entering the country, just to hasten its
ruin.

All of the people of the world should enjoy the human and civil rights that
are already recognized by international convention, including the rights
that serve as a basis for their economic and social prosperity. In none of
the documents that set forth universal rights is it even suggested that all
of the people of the world should be permitted to enter the United States at
will, or to enjoy the benefits paid for by American citizens.

Since all of the people of the world should enjoy the human and civil rights
that are already recognized by international convention, international
organizations, such as the United Nations and the Organization of American
States, should long ago have achieved their stated goals of improving the
lives of the people of the world. Since they have failed to do so, and show
no real desire to do so, they should be abolished and replaced by those who
will do so.

The United States can and should assist, wherever possible, in the processes
of democratization and economic and social prosperity of the people of the
world. This it cannot do by achieving its own economic and social ruin,
which must result from unlimited immigration, or from a general amnesty that
foolishly considers as equals all who have by any means arrived in America.

If the world believes that the American lifestyle is what it desires, let it
collaborate with the United States in destroying tyranny, terrorism, and the
destructive drug trade. Otherwise, let those who do not collaborate trust in
God for their salvation, and not in the United States.

"Hold on, my friends, to the Constitution and to the Republic for which it
stands. Miracles do not cluster and what has happened once in 6,000 years,
may not happen again. Hold on to the Constitution, for if the American
Constitution should fail, there will be anarchy throughout the world." --
Daniel Webster, US Senator

"A legislative act contrary to the Constitution is not law."
-- US Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall (1755-1835)

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TOPIC: American flags at immigration rallies...
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 4:14 am
From: Psilocybe cubensis

After seeing the sea of Mexican flags at last month's protests turned
most Americans against the illegal immigrants, they have been ordered
by their official self-proclaimed advocacy groups MALDEF and LULAC to
wave American flags instead.

So today's footage showed a sea of American flags, the same illegals
who flew the Mexican flag above the upside-down American flag were
now under orders to fly the American flag to advance their goal of
colonization.

Their sudden attitude change is choreographed, they already showed us
their true intentions last month, that they feel entitled to be here
and that they intend to reclaim the territory for Mexico. And once
the reconquista is complete, the territory will turn to dust and they
will begin invading Canada.

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TOPIC: Florida companies push to expand trade with Cuba
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/38b5c64cc5194bb9
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 10 2006 9:17 pm
From: NY.Transfer.News@blythe.org

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Florida companies push to expand trade with Cuba

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Tampa Bay Business Journal via MSNBC - Apr 9, 2006
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/12248876/

Florida companies push to expand trade with Cuba

By Agustina Guerrero

TAMPA -- With Fidel Castro still entrenched as the president of Cuba,
Florida companies salivating for a chance to do business there have
had a long wait to implement plans for a "what if" scenario, should
the regime fall.

But while the issue of planning for free trade with Cuba has been
South Florida-focused, there is movement on a statewide level to
increase business despite long-standing embargoes on trade.

The U.S.-Cuba Trade Association, a nonprofit organization based in
Washington, D.C., will host a statewide seminar April 13 for Florida
companies interested in starting or increasing trade with Cuba. The
Orlando seminar is the first step in creating a Florida chapter of
the organization and is drawing real interest from Tampa Bay
companies.

A starting point

Trade at this point is small, said Arthur R. Savage, president and
CEO of A.R. Savage & Son Inc. in Tampa and one of the founding
members of the USCTA's Florida chapter. It has resulted only in a few
animal feed supplement shipments, phosphate-based products and
refrigerated cargo going to Cuba from Tampa Bay.

"The U.S.-Cuba Trade Association is there to help people navigate
that minefield so they can be successful," said Savage. "The only
thing that is hampering business right now is the U.S. government.
That's not the way it's supposed to be. We have products to sell, and
they have needs and vice versa. The only thing standing in the way,
are our governments."

A.R. Savage & Son's experience in Cuba has been good so far. "We have
found them to be wonderful people to work with," Savage said.

Sharing the vision

Other companies that have local operations and that have done
business in Cuba include Florida Produce of Hillsborough County Inc.
and The Mosaic Co. (NYSE: MOS).

Initial organizing members of the USCTA's Florida chapter include
A.R. Savage & Son Inc., Buffalo International, Caterpillar Americas,
Duane Morris LLP, North American Partners, Tucker/Hall and United
Americas Shipping Services.

"Florida stands to gain the most from open trade and business with
Cuba," said Kirby Jones, president of the USCTA. "More companies have
visited Cuba from Florida than from any other state in the country."

Tampa Bay in particular can gain a lot, said Albert A. Fox Jr.,
president of the Alliance for Responsible Cuba Policy Foundation and
a democratic candidate running for Congress to represent the 11th
congressional district.

"The Port of Tampa is closer to Havana than the Port of Miami. Why
not take advantage of that?" Fox said. "Once it opens up, Tampa can
be tremendously influential."

A study conducted by Tim Lynch, director of the Center for Economic
Forecasting and Analysis at Florida State University, concluded that
lifting the embargo would result in a $5 billion to $13 billion
annual dynamic increase in U.S. GDP over 20 years, and $1.1 billion
to $2.1 billion growth in Florida GDP over 35 years.

The Florida economy also would add 14,000 to 27,372 jobs over 35
years.

The embargo was implemented primarily through the Cuban Assets
Control Regulations, issued in 1963, and is currently administered by
the U.S. Treasury Department's Office of Foreign Assets Control.

"The real opportunity is in the future, when trade resumes
unrestricted," Savage said.

The local ports are expected to benefit from that increase trade.

"Because of its proximity and growing inventory of modern inter-modal
facilities, Port Manatee is well positioned to benefit from existing
and future trade opportunities with Cuba," said Steve Hollister,
communications manager for Port Manatee.

Port Manatee was the site for two shipments of animal feed supplement
in the fall 2003.

A beachhead of opposition

Not everyone is happy with the USCTA's push for more trade.

"Instead of talking about how to benefit from the pain of the Cuban
people, they should be talking about how to support a transition to
democracy," said Camila Ruiz-Gallardo, director of government
relations for the Miami-based Cuban American National Foundation. "We
can talk about trade when Cuba becomes a democratic and open country.
Today it is a centralized economy where the Cuban does not take
advantage. He is a slave employee of the government. Under those
circumstances we don't agree with continuing or increasing business
with Cuba."

But the trade group is indeed looking to the future and helping the
Cuban people when trade opens up, Savage said.

In October 2000, Congress passed the Trade Sanctions Reform and
Export Enhancement Act, making it legal for U.S. companies to sell
some products to Cuba.

Since then, U.S. companies have conducted almost $2 billion worth of
trade with Cuba.

When asked how many licenses have been issued to Tampa Bay companies
so far, the Treasury Department said numbers were not readily
available.

"The way our database is set up doesn't allow us to sort by location,
per se," said public affairs specialist Molly Millerwise.
"Unfortunately, it would require our folks going through tens of
thousands of licenses to sort out any possible Tampa Bay-specific
ones," she said.

C 2006 MSNBC.com

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TOPIC: CHRISTIAN EVANGELIST BANNED, VIOLATED VISA RULES
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2962877ba33f7e12
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 10 2006 9:21 pm
From: me

rambam@bigpond.net.au wrote:

> "ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com" <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> > > > India has too many Christian preachers.
>> > > > Why import more of that ilk ?
>
>> This was a Christian about to preach to Christians.
>
> So you Malayalees are so culturally vacuous that you need to have a
> Westerner preach to you ? If that is all that Christianity has
> brought you, perhaps you should convert to Scientology !

Are Universities that have visiting (foreigner) professors giving lectures
educationally vacuous?

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