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Today's topics:
* Refuting "commonsense" on love and experience - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/1fe0e4d99b5c5d2b
* This Land is Their Land, and We Are the Illegal Aliens - 2 messages, 2
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6f24ab2b39ff1401
* Another MOSES BULLSHIT MOVOIE ON ABC - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9eb04ef51193ec85
* Time For Blacks To Declare A Culture War? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/573fb76db7781873
* Iran has A Nuke - 9 messages, 5 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/958f1b76e584a34e
* THE LIST OF CROOKS AND GANGSTERS - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e14bcf16233c9150
* The Lynching of Cynthia McKinney - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9423631cae316eb4
* BUSH IMPEACHED!! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/13cf3b5698549bd8
* YOUNG JEW THIEVES - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d3eed7f76fb27a07
* Anarchy is on it's way to the US of A - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/846a87b3c9966535
* Where are all the great ruins of the Negro nations? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5cfe37852f40f77c
* ISRAELI FASCIST MURDERERS! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/951289ee396059d1
* Trouble at Islamic majority school - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f19cb290f14308a2
* Sing Along With BITCH ("Itz Hard Out Here For A Pimp") - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d050999ea1771c53
* WHO REJECTS PEACE, NOW? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ee8f050d742b7718
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TOPIC: Refuting "commonsense" on love and experience
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/1fe0e4d99b5c5d2b
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 12 2006 1:23 am
From: Cujo DeSockpuppet
"the messenjah" <theguyonthebike@veryfast.biz> wrote in
news:1144784774.464968.110980@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
> K. A. Cannon wrote:
>> ibshambat2004@hotmail.com posted
>> <1144779628.829862.165060@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> in
>> rec.arts.poems on 11 Apr 2006 11:20:28 -0700:
>>
>> >I address two "common-sensical" falsehoods - first about love, second
>> >about experience - and show them to be wrong .
>>
>> Tell us about your wank-fest in the library you preverted fuck.
>
> I guess you're too fucking stupid to offer any intelligent comments
> about Mr. Shambat's opinions. No surprise...
Another unemployed waster of library resources weighs in.
Hasn't the Jacksonville library booted your ass out yet, Chucknozzle?
--
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"At the moment, half the spool of this group is subsequent to things that
I wrote. That bores the hell out of me too." - Fucknozzle Jr.
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TOPIC: This Land is Their Land, and We Are the Illegal Aliens
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6f24ab2b39ff1401
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 6:25 pm
From: gigo448@netscape.net
Angry Dave wrote:
> Well .. they would have to give all of the Americas back.
> North, Central, and South America...
> When Mexico gives thier country back to the Indians ... I might buy in.
> Check the Mexican Constitution and their attitude towards foreigners
> and the USA looks like a bunch of wimps.
Pixilated Cattle Ranchers dared to call other people "squatters" not
too long ago along the Rio Grande. Give it ALL back, you won't get
any arguement from me over it being done.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 12 2006 1:40 am
From: "RAY S. ELIZONDO"
<gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1144795156.195167.38760@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> Hehh, If we let the Jews keep Israel, it's only fair
> that American Indians get thier land back from the
> US of A!
>
Have you visited one of the many Indian Casinos?
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TOPIC: Another MOSES BULLSHIT MOVOIE ON ABC
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9eb04ef51193ec85
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 12 2006 1:26 am
From: "Salah Jafar"
This ABC tonight movie about Moses, is nothing but bullshit Propaganda trying to bring that old American feeling sorry for those criminal Parasites Jooz. This movie is a remake of the old Charles Huston movie. I think they should show Jooz sucking Moses cock since all these Parasites were queer faggot and homosexual. Moses never divided the river, if any he stick divided Jooz assess if that. It is all bullshit Jooz lie. Bastards will remain Bastard
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 6:41 pm
From: "nosoup4u@bluebottle.com"
Dissing your prophet Moussa, eh, asslifter?
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TOPIC: Time For Blacks To Declare A Culture War?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/573fb76db7781873
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 9:31 pm
From: Voice Of Reason <>
On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:50:40 -0700, Von Bailey
<ovbailey@noneofyourbusiness.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 12:32:05 -0400, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 20:54:17 -0500, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ideas_opinions/story/404374p-342477c.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Specifically, we need aggressive, concerted action by members and
>>>>>>>>>>institutions of the respectable black middle class to do open combat
>>>>>>>>>>against the rise of an ancient enemy: a bold, seductive street
>>>>>>>>>>culture that exalts lawlessness, addiction and anti-family behavior
>>>>>>>>>>like pimping, sexual promiscuity, ignorance and personal selfishness."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Now before anyone screams "racism" or "bigot", click on the link below
>>>>>>>>>>and note that the author is as much as an African-American (born in
>>>>>>>>>>Harlem, now lives in Brooklyn) as any other black man.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You say that as if a black person can't work towards the goal of those
>>>>>>>>>who work against black people. That's why your stupid rationales
>>>>>>>>>never make sense, they are based on ridiculous assumptions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No, the ridiculous assumption here is yours, namely that blacks like
>>>>>>>>Mr Louis are working "against", not for, black people. So, in the
>>>>>>>>case of someone like him, who was born in Harlem and lives among his
>>>>>>>>fellow blacks in the Crown Heights section of Brooklyn (a mostly black
>>>>>>>>section of Brooklyn, which itself is mostly black), why on earth would
>>>>>>>>he not want to advance the cause of black people, since he is one of
>>>>>>>>them and lives among them?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>To make money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You really ARE simple-minded..
>>>>>
>>>>>The assumption that money isn't a powerful motivator is simple-minded.
>>>>
>>>>Please explain what that has to with a black columnist who obviously
>>>>works and lives among his fellow blacks, wanting to lift up those
>>>>around him. How is condemning "pimping, sexual promiscuity, ignorance
>>>>and personal selfishness" in the `hood working "against" black people?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>No, he's condemning a certain kind of music as if it's a source of a
>>>problem instead of one of the symptoms. Pimping, sexual prmiscuity
>>>and ignorance was around long before rap and by more than just black
>>>people. It isn't a 'black problem' it is a subject and POV that will
>>>get him published in newspapers and magazines. Whether or not he
>>>honestly shares the feelings he rants is irrelevant as they are
>>>superficial attacks that will result in nothing except his getting
>>>into print, noticed and paid.
>>
>>IOW, yer head is stuck deep in the sand, and you like it just fine
>>right there. As for the rest of your copouts, "pimping, sexual
>>prmiscuity and ignorance" are NOT big problems today in most
>>communities, outside of the `hood. You're simply too out of touch.
>>
>So are you claiming only people "in the hood" (where ever that may be)
>are pimping women, act sexually promiscuous or ignorant or are you
>saying that it's only a problem with people "in the hood" and when
>other people act in the same way it's not a problem?
Yes, yes, yes and no.
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TOPIC: Iran has A Nuke
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/958f1b76e584a34e
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 6:36 pm
From: "Al Nakba"
Alcohol will work as fuel. Indy cars have run on it since 1953..
== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 6:37 pm
From: "Al Nakba"
Iran will be green grass and the mullahs' ass will be grass..Mekhtoub!
== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 9:41 pm
From: "serwad"
"Al Nakba" <williamhubbard@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:1144805878.614672.186940@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> Iran will be green grass and the mullahs' ass will be grass..Mekhtoub!
I THINK GEORGE BUSH IS ALREADY SORRY THAT HE FOLLOWED THE ADVICE OF THE
KIKES!
== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 9:42 pm
From: "serwad"
"Al Nakba" <williamhubbard@bluebottle.com> wrote in message
news:1144805809.463205.144550@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Alcohol will work as fuel. Indy cars have run on it since 1953..
SUUUURE! AT 23 BUCKS A LITER!
== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 6:44 pm
From: "nosoup4u@bluebottle.com"
Your mother was sorriest of all. When you were "born" you were so ugly
that the doctor slapped your mother!
== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 6:45 pm
From: "Tom Donavan"
We can always use you arab cocksuckers to push our cars.
== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 6:52 pm
From: "Salah Jafar"
Or we can use you Jooz, for the old fashion steam engine, where we put the Jooz in real OVENS, not imaginary one. I want to see Jooz in OVENS, I Want to see how he react.
SJ
== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 6:53 pm
From: "Salah Jafar"
One Bomb and you Jooz will be asking the Russian to take you back. The Russian will have a field day with you Parasites.
SJ
== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 6:55 pm
From: "Salah Jafar"
On the contrary, the doctor who bulled your head was never the same. Fucking pathetic Parasite. and a filthy JOO like you.
SJ
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TOPIC: THE LIST OF CROOKS AND GANGSTERS
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e14bcf16233c9150
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Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 9:39 pm
From: "serwad"
1. AEGIS: Awarded biggest piece of the private-security pie in Iraq, they
coordinate security operations among thousands of private military companies
or "PMCs" (read: mercenaries). Headed by former mercenary Tim Spicer, who
has been linked to arms sales to Sierra Leone in 1998 in violation of a UN
arms embargo. In 1992, two soldiers in a unit commanded by Spicer were
convicted of murdering an 18 year-old Catholc boy in North Belfast. He also
figured prominently in a 1997 military coup in Papua New Guinea. Yes, this
is the guy we've hired to coordinate security operations and guard against
physical abuse of detainees. "This contract is a case study in what not to
do," according to Peter Singer of The Brookings Institution. "The Army never
even bothered to Google this guy to find out that he was involved in
political scandal, that he was the source of parliamentary investigations
and the owner of failed businesses."
2. BearingPoint: Management-consulting firm who received the contract to
help develop Iraq's competitive private sector. Ironic, since they wrote the
specs for the contract they were bidding on, and sent some employees to Iraq
to begin work before the contract was awarded. Gave more to the Bush
election campaign than any other Iraq contractor. Subpoenaed by a California
Grand Jury last month regarding federal contracts; a former BearingPoint
employee has already plead guilty to one count of criminal conspiracy in
connection with the government inquiries. In April of this year they agreed
to pay $34 million to settle charges of overbilling clients.
3. Bechtel: Really, where to start? Former company President and Reagan
Secretary of State George Schultz was head of "Committee for the Liberation
of Iraq." No wonder. No-bid contract for building schools, bridges,
airports, water treatment plants and other Iraqi infrastructure could be
eventually be worth $100 billion. Overcharged City of San Francisco for
unnecessary and overpriced work, as well as employees' personal expenses, in
2002. Bechtel's errors in design and construction of a highway cost city of
Boston $1 billion plus, and in a truly Homer Simpson-esque moment, they
installed one of the reactors at the San Onofre nuclear power plant -
backwards - which resulted in all manner of marine life, including seals,
being sucked in with the waters to cool the reactors. Not to mention the
environmental chaos and massive cost overruns that ensued. Bechtel nearly
caused a revolution in Bolivia when it tried to charge the country's poor
exorbitant rates for their own rainwater. (I guess it was one of those
"triumphs of privatization.") Good at hiring Iraqis to do grunt work, bad at
hiring Iraqi engineers and managers for jobs that required hands-on
knowledge of the country's infrastructure. Funny enough, has yet to meet any
of the deadlines in its original contract, including the restoration of
basic services like electricity. Spreading good cheer all 'round.
4. BKSH & Associates: PR firm chaired by Charlie Black, old time Bush family
friend, Republican lobbyist and big fundraiser for Bush/Cheney campaign.
Represent big Iraqi contractors including Fluor International, Cummins
Engine and the Iraqi National Congress. Until 2003 BKSH & Associates was
paid $25,000 per month by the State Department to promote liar, embezzler,
would-be dictator and Bush crony Ahmet Chalabi and the INC. In June of this
year, an Iraqi judge ordered the arrest of Francis Brooke, Evangelical
Christian and consultant for BKSH, for reportedly obstructing a raid on
Chalabi's headquarters in Baghdad. Brooke bragged last year to New Yorker
that he engineered the war by delivering evidence of WMD to the Pentagon.
5. CACI and Titan: CACI had a hand in drawing up its own no-bid contract to
provide interrogation services; Titan has a $400 million contract to provide
translation services. Recently, as the result of a military investigation,
six CACI employees were referred to the Justice Department for prosecution
in the Abu Graib prison abuse scandal. The WaPo said that "about half of
CACI's interrogators were not properly trained and that the military officer
in charge of interrogation did not screen them before allowing them to
conduct interrogations." The military concluded that interrogators and
linguists were involved in 16 of the 44 alleged abuses at Abu Ghraib. The
Center for Constitutional Rights has filed RICO suits against both Titan and
CACI, saying that they promoted their businesses by "proving they could
extract information from detainees in Iraq, by any means necessary."
6. Custer Battles: A politically connected start-up firm awarded a no-bid
contract to provide security for Baghdad's airport, suspended from all
federal contracts in September for fraudulent billing practices. Maybe it
should have happened in 2003, when CPA employees found a misplaced
Custer-Battles spreadsheet showing that their currency exchange operation
had cost the company $3,738,592, but they had billed the CPA $9,801,550? Or
when they submitted a $2.7 million invoice that the Air Force said was based
on "forged leases, inflated invoices and duplication?" A former employee,
Robert Isakson, has filed a claim against Custer Battles for "war
profiteering.[that] contributed to the deaths of at least four Custer
Battles employees." Says Isakson's attorney: "This is corruption at its
worst, perpetrated by Bush cronies and protected by the Bush
administration."
7. Halliburton: Awarded a 5-year oil-related contract worth up to $10.8
billion, now the subject of numerous investigations into overcharging and
kickbacks. Government auditors have found "widespread, systemic problems
with almost every aspect of Halliburton's work in Iraq, from cost estimation
and billing systems to cost control and subcontract management." Their
subsidiary, Kellog, Brown & Root (KBR) has been the subject of a House
Government Reform Committee investigation. Seems they submitted bills
totaling more than $3 billion that were "so lacking in documentation" that
they were summarily rejected even by the Pentagon. They encored with a new
bill, $700 million cheaper, that was hastily withdrawn due to "continuing
pricing issues." Forced to refund the Pentagon $27.4 million for food they
never delivered to US troops; as a result soldiers were limited to one
bottle of water a day in the desert heat. Scammed $61 million in overcharges
for gas trucked from Kuwait to Iraq, not including the $6.3 milliion in
kickbacks that went to two Halliburton employees. The list goes on. And on.
And on.
8. Lockheed Martin: Dollar for dollar, Lockheed continues to be the biggest
war pirate, with Pentagon contracts worth $21.9 billion in 2003 alone. E.C.
Aldridge Jr., the former undersecretary of defense for acquisitions and
procurement, gave final approval for the F-35 contract worth $200 billion to
Lockheed just prior to leaving the Pentagon to join Lockheed's board. Have
paid millions in the past in the past three years through their partnership
with Northrup Grummon to settle charges they defrauded the Pentagon.
9. Loral Satellite: Chairman Bernard L. Schwartz is close chum with big
BushCo. neocon war hawks and principle funder of "Blueprint," the newsletter
of the DLC. Stand to profit big time from Pentagon's decision to create a
new global intranet for military that will take two decades and hundreds of
billions of dollars to build. Suspected of giving away classified missile
guidance secrets to the Chinese in 1996.
10. Qualcomm: Iraq's cellular market is worth millions of dollars for any
company who can establish itself as the standard for the region. Which maybe
explains why two CPA officials claimed that John Shaw, the deputy
undersecretary of defense technology security, put the screws to them to
change an Iraqi police radio contract to favor Qualcomm's patented cellular
technology. Shaw says he, in turn, was nudged by Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA),
whose district Qualcomm calls home. Issa previously sponsored a bill that
would require the military to use Qualcomm technology. The DoD's inspector
general has asked the FBI to investigate Shaw's activities.
As if that weren't enough - in October, it was revealed that the CPA used
$12 billion in Iraqi oil revenues to pay US contractors, rather than using
the money earmarked by Congress. (Way to go with the hearts and minds!) As
Henry Waxman said, "This money belongs to the Iraqi people. It is not a
slush fund."
The real kicker (and here you thought it couldn't get any better) - thanks
an order issued from the CPA by Paul Bremer, contractors and other foreign
personnel are granted immunity from Iraqi law - even if they injure or kill
someone. Neither are they subject to US military law. And since BushCo. has
issued contradictory memos about the CPA's status to whether it's a
government agency or not, nobody is sure WHO the hell has oversight
authority over private contractors, if anyone.
So what can we do? Well, for starters, email Dick Durbin, Larry Craig and
Daniel Akaka and let them know you support their efforts to re-convene the
Truman Committee on War Profiteering. And while you're at it, drop a note to
Republicans Richard Luger (R-IN), who blasted BushCo. as "incompetent" in
their failure to provide management and oversight, and Chuck Hagel (R-NE),
who has said that "it''s beyond pitiful, it's beyond embarrassing, it's now
in the zone of dangerous." On the rare occasion when the GOP does something
worthwhile, positive reinforcement is a good thing; besides, bi-partisan
support is going to be essential.
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TOPIC: The Lynching of Cynthia McKinney
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9423631cae316eb4
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 6:41 pm
From: "James"
<NY.Transfer.News@blythe.org> wrote in message
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> The Lynching of Cynthia McKinney
>
> Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit
>
> CounterPunch - Apr 10, 2006
> http://www.counterpunch.org/marshall04102006.html
>
>
> The Lynching of Cynthia McKinney
>
> Why Isn't Anyone Investigating Her Charges of Racism and Inappropriate
> Touching by Cops with a Reputation for Racism and Inappropriate
> Touching?
>
The woman has a chip on her shoulder and has apologized but you still want
blood?
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TOPIC: BUSH IMPEACHED!!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/13cf3b5698549bd8
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Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 6:46 pm
From: "SWATT"
The Bush government is counting on the support from its core group,
which consists of ultra-conservative rightwing extermists, religious
fanatics, soft-brain soft-heart Americans, and of course, the
heartless capitalists who worship their dollars while practicing Nazi
theocracy.
Hypocrisy, lies, deception, and all evil elements exist in the ugliest
and most corrupt aspects of man are found in the Bush gang. Despite all
that, the so-called Christians have been trying their best to promote,
support, and perpetuate the evil in the Bush administration.
Only true God can help us now!
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TOPIC: YOUNG JEW THIEVES
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d3eed7f76fb27a07
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 9:46 pm
From: "serwad"
Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) said the "brazen" trading scheme --
which ran the gamut of topless dancers, covert information and stolen
magazines -- netted the individuals at least 6.7 million dollars.
The top US market regulator said the masterminds were Eugene Plotkin, 26, a
research analyst in the fixed income division of Goldman Sachs, and David
Pajcin, a 29-year-old former employee of the premier bank.
Plotkin and Pajcin persuaded a mergers and acquisitions analyst at Merrill
Lynch, Stanislav Shpigelman, 23, to provide tips on upcoming mergers in
return for a share of the trading profits, the SEC alleged.
It said they also recruited two other young men to obtain jobs at a printing
plant in Wisconsin to steal advance copies of Business week magazine, and
then traded in companies discussed favourably by the influential
publication.
"Plotkin and Pajcin also contemplated various schemes involving exotic
dancers, including having them garner information from bankers while
dancing, and using them to induce investment bankers to provide Plotkin and
Pajcin with information," the SEC further alleged in a statement.
Mark Schoenfeld, director of the SEC's northeast regional office, said:
"This fraud is one of the most widespread, varied and premeditated insider
trading rings we have ever prosecuted.
"The defendants sought out individuals working in our nation's leading
financial institutions hoping to get them to betray their employer, their
clients and the investing public," he said.
Shpigelman was also charged with insider trading after an investigation that
began in early 2005 over suspicious trades in German sportswear maker Adidas
just before it acquired smaller US rival Reebok.
Prosecutors said Shpigelman leaked confidential information to Plotkin and
Pajcin concerning at least six mergers or acquisitions on which Merrill
Lynch was working.
Also arrested were Nickolaus Shuster and Juan Renteria, who worked at the
Quad Graphics Printing Plant in Hartford, Wisconsin.
Additional charges were filed against relatives and associates of Plotkin
and Pajcin living in the United States, Croatia and Germany.
"We will move quickly and aggressively to prosecute cases such as this where
fraudsters try to steal market-moving information from our premier financial
institutions," said Linda Chatman Thomsen, director of the SEC's enforcement
division.
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TOPIC: Anarchy is on it's way to the US of A
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/846a87b3c9966535
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 6:47 pm
From: gigo448@netscape.net
Bernard Spilman wrote:
> <gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:1144786066.941924.293080@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Frank Arthur wrote:
> >> How do you explain the large number of Americans buying 52" TV's,
> >> $300,000
> >> homes and roads flooded with Lexus,Mercedes,Caddilac cars by the
> >> millions,
> >> European vacations & cruises?
> >
> >
> > Gee, which Americans might that be? Cause I don't know any..
> > ..but maybe YOU DO!
>
> They are Bush and the republicans' favored demographic, wealthy
> Americans. They're really the only Americans republicans give a
> shit about at all.
> WS
I personally don't know anybody who has a 52" TV, and the closest
I ever got to a "cruise" is the US Navy, or the Staten Island ferry.
I don't think I can count the rowboat in Central Park as a "cruise"
in any way. I drive an antique back and forth to work each day.
At least it was made before they planned on making things obsolete
like they do these days.
bd4u
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TOPIC: Where are all the great ruins of the Negro nations?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5cfe37852f40f77c
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 6:48 pm
From: Von Bailey
On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 21:54:06 -0400, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"James Crow" <dont_let_the_sun_go_down_on_you_bw@h.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>news:drrmvi$vfj$1@domitilla.aioe.org...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Aztecs, Mayans, Egyptians, Babylonians, Chinese, Japanese, Europeans, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They all had their great buildings and their great empires with plenty of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ruins and evidence to show it. Egyptians are famous for their great
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pyramids, Aztecs and Mayans had temples and cities, Romans had colosseums,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chinese had the great wall... all evidence of great empires.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Someone help me find a link to the great Sub-Saharan Negro Pyramids, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great Negro Wall, or how about the great paved roads connecting the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greatand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Superior Negro Empires. I would like to see great stone Negro castles.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evidence of bronze swords and armor, the great Negro Aqueducts that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spanned
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for miles, and the Great Negro Architectural bridges.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So where are all these sub-Saharan nations that ya read about in books
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that existed before the War? How many? 20? 30? Name them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Three or four come to mind...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ghana, with a history that listed 44 Kings before Christ and as far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>back as the 7th century BC. It was known as the "Land of Gold"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>because it supplied the mineral on an international basis and had an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>iron industry for over a thousand years. Using the Niger and lesser
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rivers in the empire they were able to build a system of cities and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>towns that produced commercial goods for the world.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Not as independent nation, but a collection of regional tribes, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>then later a British colony as part of its so-called Gold Coast.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ghana did not become a nation until 1957, 12 years *after* the War.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Try again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>They imported salt, textiles, cowrie shells, brass, dates, figs,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>pearls, fruit, sugar, dried rasins and hoone. Some of heir chief
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>exports were gold, ivory, rubber. In 1060, the impreial army numbered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>200,000 of which 100,000 were mounted and 40,000 were expertly trained
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bow and arrow brigades. Their most famous schools were Kumbi-Saleh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and Dejenne (also known as Kumbi-Kumbi and Jenne respectively) and a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>world renowned school called The University fo Sankore was at Timbuktu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(just north of Ghana).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mali, under the rule of Muslim kings, the greatest of which was Mansa
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Musa, who wanted to be known as the greatest Black Muslim in all of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Africa. Under his rule Mali indulged in international trade. By the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>mid 1300's Mali was an empire of it's own right. It controled the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>salt mines of Taghaza, encompassed Nigeria in the east and Fulani in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the west.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nope. Mali become a nation in 1960.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Songhay, their most prosperous time during the 15th and 16th
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>centuries. It had a long history of dias (kings) that coul be traced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>back to the 7th century. They had gained control over the main
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>caravan city in western Africa Gao. With this as a foundation they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>built a nation that lasted until the mid 1600s.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Mossi States, an amagamation of kingdoms with common values and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>kinship. The most prominent of which were Wagdug, Yatenga, Fada
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Gurma, Mamprussi and Dagomba. They had the most successful calvary in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Africa and stood their own against the empires of Mali and Songhay.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>They had a political structure that started with a King of Kings (as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>each individual state had a govenor who had absolute control of his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>particular state) and a prime minister.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>There are quite a few more. If you're really interested (and that's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sarcastic as I know you aren't) you might start with Chancellor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Williams "The destruction of Black Civilization, Great issues of race
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>from 4500 B.C to 2000 A.D." It's where I got some of the information
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>above.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>These were not nations, but as you yourself quoted above, but loose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>collections ("amalgamation of kingdoms") of tribes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Just look at the current state of the Congo for how they existed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hundreds of years ago -- almost non-stop skirmishs between numerous
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>regional groups (tribes) and sometimes all-out warfare.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>There was a time when the losers of these battles would be sold off by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the victors into slavery, and yes, pass through what is now known as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ghana on their way to the New World. So much for their "great ruins".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thank you for that 'non-referenced' pack of lies and ignorance about a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>place you have demonstrated supreme stupidity about. It appears that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your entire knowledge of African history appears to be what you read
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in the captions of National Geographic while looking for pictures of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>women's breast to jack off to ass a kid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nice try but wrong all around. IF ya have facts (not wild-eyed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>guesses) that repudiate what I said, then post them right here .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I cited a book that backs up everything I've said and you have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>refernced NOTHING. There is plenty of evidence of nations and even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>empires in sub-sahara africa and your stupidity and ignorance about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>them doesn't change that it the least. Your comments didn't do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anything except demonstrate what you think.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So what, anyone can write a book and say whatever they want. Nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>changes the fact that the colonial era ended after WW II.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>The work has already been done and the evidence is in the book. Your
>>>>>>>>>>>>inability to read a book is the only thing keeping you from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>information.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0840304587/sr=8-1/qid=1143639149/ref=sr_1_1/104-3978265-5687924?%5Fencoding=UTF8
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I'm not going to do your homework for you. IF the evidence exists,
>>>>>>>>>>>you need to spit it out in a coherent manner. And no, book reviews on
>>>>>>>>>>>Amazon don't count, since anyone can go there and write a book review,
>>>>>>>>>>>without even having read the book.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>It's not a reference to book reviews stupid, it was a source for the
>>>>>>>>>>book which would present the evidence in a "coherent manner". Still
>>>>>>>>>>running from the evidence. You would rather stay ignorant than
>>>>>>>>>>challenge your racist assumptions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>And anyone can write a book too. You should put forth some concrete
>>>>>>>>>evidence right here and now, or else withdraw your claims.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The book is the evidence stupid and until you read the book you have
>>>>>>>>no idea if the evidence in it is correct or not. But again, to many
>>>>>>>>words for you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Nope, one more time: Anyone can write a book. So I don't have time
>>>>>>>to read every book that comes down the pike. YOU made the claim, now
>>>>>>>show the "evidence" that prompted you to make this claim, or else do
>>>>>>>the right thing and withdraw it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thank you for admiting you don't have time to read the evidence and
>>>>>>also an apparent display of obtuseness. The EVIDENCE is in the book
>>>>>>you won't read and you aren't apparenly bright enough to realize that.
>>>>>
>>>>>Let's try this again -- anyone can write a book.
>>>>
>>>>If that's true, or even a relevant argument, where's your book?
>>>
>>>The first 2/3's of your sentence are true and relevant, but the last
>>>1/3, well that's another story.
>>>
>>Your irrelevant judgment shall be assumed another pitiful attempt to
>>avoid reading a book. Scared of what's in it no doubt. Harder to stay
>>in denial when you've actually read the evidence.
>
>IOW, you probably read a book review somewhere, or heard someone
>hawking the book on a talk show, and you decided well by golly there's
>something you can wave around as if you knew something.
No stupid. Unlike you I read books and have read this one.
> But if I ask
>you to cut to the chase and show me specifics from the book, suddenly
>you throw it out the window and ask me to go find it, and do your
>research for you.
>
If reading a book is too much work for you fine. It's no secret that
you are ignorant and you spelling out why is informative.
>>>>>So the mere fact
>>>>>that someone wrote one is not enough to prove anything, you cannot
>>>>>simply throw titles around and say go read it.
>>>>
>>>>It's more relevant than your references to unnamed policemen,
>>>>libraries (but not specific books), and assumptions of things that
>>>>'everyone knows'
>>>
>>>Because everyone knows that I don't make stuff up out of thin air.
>>
>>That's a lie. Everyone knows no such thing and it isn't true just
>>because you say so.
>
>No, it's true because it is.
>
LOL. That's the usual level of your logic and I expected no more.
>>>Like reading *one* book that may or not have been peer reviewed, much
>>>less vetted and found to be reliable, then basing my claims around
>>>that.
>>>
>>And as usual, instead of refuting the veracity of the evidence (which
>>you would have to read and comprehend, something beyond your abilities
>>apparently) you make unfounded comments about it.
>
>Well I'm waiting for you to show some specifics from it.
>
I have alread done that. Then you commented about what you read in
national geographic demonstrating your ignorance.
>>>>>YOU made the claim
>>>>>about said evidence, so spit it out. Show me specific passages from
>>>>>the book that you think support your claim. If possible.
>>>>
>>>>Like I said, you can't read a book. It would be sad if you weren't so
>>>>pitiful.
>>>
>>>No, I can't (and won't) read YOUR books for you. *You* cited it, now
>>>show that you read it.
>>
>>It's not my book stupid and I've already cited it.
>
>Yes, I *know* you've cited it, just like I said.
Then dispute what was cited with something besides your imagination.
Oh wait, you can't. That's the source of 99% of your diatribes.
von
---
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don't see how anyone can live with such a precarious state of mind.
---
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can't really be a problem. Worshiping something that doesn't exist
is an entirely different subect.
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TOPIC: ISRAELI FASCIST MURDERERS!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/951289ee396059d1
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 6:52 pm
From: "Tom Donavan"
>jgarbuz wrote:
>Israel LEFT the Gaza strip, or haven't you heard the news yet? But if
>the Hamas or
>their terrorist flunkies think they are going to shoot missiles across
>without a response,
>they are crazier then they look! They WANT their 9 year old girls to be
>killed by Israel!
>They'll happily sacrifice thousands of 9 year olds to give Israel bad
>publicity! If they cared
>about their 9 year olds, they'd stop teaching their antisemitic hatred
>in their schools and
>stop rocketing into Israel, or trying to send suicide bombers into
>Israel!
>Israel was very clear when it stated that after it withdraws all of its
>army and settlers
>from Gaza, that if the attacks from Gaza continue, the responses are
>going to be serious!
That is the truth jack. Well put.
Tekhelet
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TOPIC: Trouble at Islamic majority school
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f19cb290f14308a2
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 6:52 pm
From: "Craig West"
Why stop there? Women in that area should wear the hijab. Churches
should be closed. Pork should be outlawed. Convert all those
non-muslims to islam in that town. What a model to follow!
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TOPIC: Sing Along With BITCH ("Itz Hard Out Here For A Pimp")
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d050999ea1771c53
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 6:54 pm
From: Von Bailey
On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:12:08 -0400, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
>On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:41:44 -0700, Von Bailey
><ovbailey@noneofyourbusiness.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 22:47:23 -0400, in soc.culture.african.american
>>you wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Can anyone please explain WHY this "song" is nominated for an award??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>At least someone had enough common sense to ensure a 5-second *delay*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is in effect during the show.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Because it does a good job of representing the movie that it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>scored for, which would be the reason any song is nominated in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>oscars.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Can ya show us where it says THAT is the main criteria for nomination?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Where did I say it was the 'main reason'? Again you misiterpret my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>words and ask me to explain your misinterpretation.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Yes you're right. You did say it was "the" reason for its nomination,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not the main reason. So my question is even more relevant now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.oscars.org/78academyawards/rules/rule16.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Read the rules and get informed before you get into discussions you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>know little about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Where in the rules does it justify voting for a piece of trash.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I see. Everyone was supposed to start with the premise that YOUR
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>opinion is the only one that matters. Well, sorry to disappoint you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>but the people who voted obviously couldn't care less about your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>opinion on the matter. Try to live with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I can live with it just fine, because I realized many, many years ago
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that the Oscar awards committee was packed with folks who are way out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of the mainstream. Of course, I do keep hoping for a pleasant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>surprise now and then, but it looks like I've got more waiting to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>It's interesting that you consider yourself the definition of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>'mainstream' while the real thing moves further and further from you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As I have said in the past, you will die off, just like all the old
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>people who ranted about how rock and roll, jazz and any other kind of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>music that moved into the mainstream was destroying something and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>never did. And Rap Music will still be here...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>cRap music will be still be here for a small group of knuckleheads,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>but just because the super-liberal Hollywood types saw fit to give it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ONE award doesn't mean that it is now "accepted" by the mainstream,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>because it isn't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>That's right. Stay in denial you serve a purpose there. An example
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of a dying breed. First step, they deny the world is changing around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>them, fail to adapt and die off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wrong, wrong and wrong. Now quit dreaming, get out of bed and go do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>something constructive. Like chase the pimps off your block.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>My neighborhood apprently doesn't share the same type of people as
>>>>>>>>>>>>yours. There are no pimps to worry about around here that I am aware
>>>>>>>>>>>>of.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Did you open your eyes after hitting the street?. But I can assure
>>>>>>>>>>>you there are NO pimps, gangs, etc, on my block.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Well, you're the one bringing them up so I guess we are again subject
>>>>>>>>>>to you speaking on a subject of which you are totally ignorant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Yes, I plead guilty to having first-person experience with them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well then I stand corrected. Given that you say that pimps aren't in
>>>>>>>>your neighborhood I guess you traveled somewhere to have this
>>>>>>>>'experience' with pimps. A new side of you comes out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Wrong, you stand incorrect as usual. I was talking about the
>>>>>>>assurance that there are no pimps, gangs, etc, on my block. Because I
>>>>>>>have a very good ongoing first-person experience with what goes on
>>>>>>>around here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>You didn't say you had a first person experience with "what goes on
>>>>>>around here" you said you had a first person experience with the
>>>>>>subject that was at hand, pimps and hoes. Now that you've been
>>>>>>discovered you're running from your words.
>>>>>
>>>>>Nope, you're just taking my words out of context. Something that's
>>>>>always given you problems.
>>>>>
>>>>So now you deny that you have personal experience with them. Your
>>>>going back on your word is not unusual but expected so feel free.
>>>
>>>Nothing to go back on. You quoted me out of context. Nothing more.
>>>
>>How is you saying you have first person experience with pimps and hoes
>>taking your words out of context when in response to a question about
>>them you responded, "Yes, I plead guilty to having first-person
>>experience with them."? It's not. You're just to disingenuous to
>>even admit to your own words.
>
>Still taking things out-of-context, I see.
>
Not at all. And the fact that you cannot demonstrate HOW I have taken
your words out of context illustrates that you either don't know how
or are hoping your lies are sufficient.
>>>>>>>>> Nor does
>>>>>>>>>it change my conviction that under no circumstances do I want a pimp
>>>>>>>>>and his entourage of hos EVER to show up in my neighborhood.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yet you claim 'first-person experience'. Where'd the 'experience'
>>>>>>>>come from?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Now I know you are confused.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>So you didn't have the experience you claim above?
>>>>>
>>>>>I have what I claimed -- knowledge about what goes on in the streets
>>>>>around my house. Or in the case of pimps, hos, drugs, etc, what
>>>>>doesn't go on.
>>>>>
>>>>Really? What is this "knowledge" based on? How did you come about to
>>>>*know* this as factual?
>>>
>>>Getting out and about in the immediate vicinity where I live, day and
>>>night. Guess what, no sign of hos, pimps, dope dealers, etc. No
>>>graffiti, no nothing.
>>
>>What makes you think that finding them would be as easy as "getting
>>out and about in the immediate vicinity"? Are you under the
>>assumption that they would be walking the streets? Don't you think
>>that they would be acting a bit less conspicuous than that?
>
>I guess you haven't seen how pimpz dress and drive these days.
No I haven't. Not my crowd. But given that you have admitted to
"personal experience" I will bow to your knowledge here. How do they
dress?
>Or
>maybe they just don't stand out in your part of the world. But I can
>assure you, they would stick out like a sore-thumb in my area.
>
Which means that you travel to some other area to indulge in this
personal experience you claimed to have.
>>>Boring? Yes. Which suits me just fine, as I
>>>wouldn't want to try to go to sleep every night to sounds of gunfire,
>>>stabbings, police sirens, cRap "music" blaring, drunkards and
>>>dopeheads screaming and pissing on the streets, etc.
>>>
>>Whose neighborhood do you think you're discribing?
>
>Not mine of course, since I don't live in the `hood, nor do I live
>anywhere near where the "projects" are located.
>
Not an answer to my question. Whose neighborhood are you discribing?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Are you claiming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that the song has nothing to do with the movie it was scored for? Are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you claiming that such a criteria has nothing to do with it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nomination?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Virutally every movie made over the past 40 years has a soundtrack, so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the fact that this putrid film has a song that "represents" it is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>meaningless. I still have no idea, upon reviewing the lyrics, why on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>earth *this* song is worthy of an award.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>That's because, as you have already admitted, you haven't seen the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>film and you are a poor judge of whether or not it effectively
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>represents the film for just that reason.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Since nearly every movie made has at least one song that "represents"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>it at least as well as this one, I still don't see why *this* one has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to win the award.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You haven't seen the movie so you have no legitmate metric to make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your judgement from. Until then it's just you ranting your usual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>uninformed opinion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wrong, I DO have a "legitmate metric" -- it's called the lyrics, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I and others around here have referred to, including right here on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>this thread. Now grab some coffee, then open yer eyes, and yer mind
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your "legitmate metric" is not the one that the oscars use so as far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>as the "oscar winners" your metric is useless. Go find someone who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>cares about the songs of old white men wishing for the past.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You missed the point as usual. Of course the Oscar folks didn't take
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the lyrics into account when selecting the award -- if they did, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>would have had to give the award to someone else.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>According to you who was not part of the process and as such has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>nothing except your bigotted notiions to draw from.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nothing except the words of the lyrics themselves, which were freely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>available to any interested party before the awards were decided, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>thus could have (and should have) been reviewed by the members of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>committee before the vote.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, if the words won by themselves you might have a point. But
>>>>>>>>>>>>unlike you, the people who voted have the ability not only to read the
>>>>>>>>>>>>words but listen to them with music and then associate them to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>movie in which it was written for. Thus, not suffering your apparent
>>>>>>>>>>>>ignorance they had the ability to vote in a way you couldn't.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Wrong. The association was clear enough, and it was all garbage.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Your ability to make the association to a movie you didn't see would
>>>>>>>>>>be miraculous if it was true. But since it isn't we have another
>>>>>>>>>>demonstration of you speaking of things of which you are ignorant,
>>>>>>>>>>again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Wrong, because I know to read, and thus having read the lyrics of the
>>>>>>>>>"song" that was deemed worthy of an Oscar, I found out all I needed to
>>>>>>>>>know.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>No doubt. An ignorant superficial person such as yourself wouldn't
>>>>>>>>want to take into account the entire scope of criteria to judge the
>>>>>>>>song. Prejudging something without all the evidence is one of your
>>>>>>>>specialties.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The lyrics are all the evidence I need, and you should read them too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>True, you are of course the psuedo-great white man. Why should you
>>>>>>actually use the criteria for the award to judge the song? You, in
>>>>>>your infinate fake powers *believe* you know better.
>>>>>
>>>>>Guess what silly one, *I* didn't write those lyrics, some black guy
>>>>>did.
>>>>>
>>>>Guess what stupid one, *I* didn't say you did write them.
>>>
>>>But you said I believe I know better. Well, no, I don't have to
>>>"know", I just need to be able to read the lyrics.
>>
>>Which is the most superficial way to judge a song writen for a movie
>>being judged on how it represents the movie. But then superficial is
>>your specialty.
>
>Oh, so the lyrics mean nothing? Just a collection of words tossed
>together, almost at random?
No. They are a collection of words put together to give meaning and
depth to a movie. A point obvious to most and oblivious to you.
von
---
There is no conversation that I can have that threatens my reality and I
don't see how anyone can live with such a precarious state of mind.
---
God isn't the problem, religion is. Something that doesn't exist
can't really be a problem. Worshiping something that doesn't exist
is an entirely different subect.
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TOPIC: WHO REJECTS PEACE, NOW?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ee8f050d742b7718
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 6:53 pm
From: "serwad"
GAZA, April 10 (Xinhua) -- Spokesman of the Palestinian cabinet Ghazi Hamad
said on Monday that Israel rejected an Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas)
proposal to agree on a long-term truce.
Hamad told reporters in Gaza that the proposal was "suggested by Hamas
and later on by some ministers."
"The problem is with the Israeli side, which has not been interested in
the matter," he said.
Hamas accepted in March 2005 in Cairo a one-year ceasefire,which expired
on Dec. 31, 2005.
"Consequently, I believe that this suggestion is currently terminated in
light of Israeli practices on the ground," Hamad said.
As for a financial crisis facing the Hamas-led government,Hamad said, "We
studied all aspects of the issue and had some ideas to solve the problem."
"The issue is fully coordinated with President Mahmoud Abbas,"he added.
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