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Friday, April 07, 2006

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Today's topics:

* Goodbye Europe - 6 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/45e5b9700b1e9ac3
* Giuliani Predicts Another Terror Attack - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/aa9458ae3ef4294
* World War III NEWS, Thursday, April 6th, 2006 AD....Iran Test-Fires 'Top
Secret' Missile - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/266a576f7ab70c68
* Should Hiroshima and Nagasaki bar US investment and merchandise ? - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/4ff4bcb10541ff10
* HELP US REMOVING THE EVIL DOERS - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/91ca267306fee323
* John Howard - TNI Colaborator - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ef60c48bd240f96d
* International Stuff - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5d1b6b36a66fef20
* World War III NEWS, Saturday, April 8th, 2006 AD.....Plans Stepped Up as
Tehran Tests Weapons - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/689fa7770b94e6eb
* "Washington report urges further religious freedom in Turkey"!!! - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/38b64a7d3ff95643
* Bangla Terrorist Groups Involved In Varanasi Bomb Blats - 3 messages, 2
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ee4fc3538a948b81
* Ali Asker (pasa_asker@lycos.com): "We are the TERRORISTS..." - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e30b5c23da4fd885
* $10,000 Reward for Thai Air Force Commander Akkavibul - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/416ef42277b367dc
* Ali Asker declares: "We are the TERRORISTS..." - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/94814f771b4aeed3
* Ali Asker declares: "We are the TERRORISTS..." - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a792e3507fa66640
* 911 OFFICIAL STORY IS BULLSHIT! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/7f4ceb3507515764
* Thank you, India admirer ! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/3823423d92d0c592

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TOPIC: Goodbye Europe
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/45e5b9700b1e9ac3
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 3:10 am
From: "DoD"

"Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
> news:zkFZf.79532$Eg2.1733@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>
>> "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:e173k3$7di$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
>>
>>
>>> What doodoo is getting at, is you've not threatened to off people like
>>> moi (not a jew-hater by the bye),
>>
>> Well, I might tend to agree with you on yourself, because you are a self
>> admitted troll, but it is curious that any Jew would talk to you as much
>> as you lie about Jews and Israel, and the way you call everyone hooknose,
>> yid and hebe......Even though we all know you do it 90 percent for the
>> reason of trolling.
>
> I call hook noses, hook noses, yids, yids and hebes, hebes. You might also
> have noticed any of those words are usually associated with the word
> "cunt". Now do you understand?
>
> I call decent jews, jews, and I call all Israelis, izzies. Got it yet.

Dude, I already told you that I understand that you are a troll.

>>> and do not close off conversations with the tripe his rancid and rabid
>>> colleagues do.
>>
>> Why would someone want to listen to someone like you and the rev call
>> them names?
>>
>>
>> That's "supporting jew-haters" to
>>> him.
>>
>> I don't care who Tilly talks to ..... I just find it curious as to why
>> she would be polite to someone who considers her a Christ killer and
>> believes that if she lives next door to him, his property value would
>> decrease. It is just a curious thing for me.
>>
>
>

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 1:28 pm
From: "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com>

"DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
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>
> "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e178l1$9so$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
>>
>> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
>> news:zkFZf.79532$Eg2.1733@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>
>>> "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:e173k3$7di$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
>>>
>>>
>>>> What doodoo is getting at, is you've not threatened to off people like
>>>> moi (not a jew-hater by the bye),
>>>
>>> Well, I might tend to agree with you on yourself, because you are a self
>>> admitted troll, but it is curious that any Jew would talk to you as much
>>> as you lie about Jews and Israel, and the way you call everyone
>>> hooknose, yid and hebe......Even though we all know you do it 90 percent
>>> for the reason of trolling.
>>
>> I call hook noses, hook noses, yids, yids and hebes, hebes. You might
>> also have noticed any of those words are usually associated with the word
>> "cunt". Now do you understand?
>>
>> I call decent jews, jews, and I call all Israelis, izzies. Got it yet.
>
>
> Dude, I already told you that I understand that you are a troll.

I'm far more than that, doodoo. You're just too, too stupid to understand
what I'm about.

>
>>>> and do not close off conversations with the tripe his rancid and rabid
>>>> colleagues do.
>>>
>>> Why would someone want to listen to someone like you and the rev call
>>> them names?
>>>
>>>
>>> That's "supporting jew-haters" to
>>>> him.
>>>
>>> I don't care who Tilly talks to ..... I just find it curious as to why
>>> she would be polite to someone who considers her a Christ killer and
>>> believes that if she lives next door to him, his property value would
>>> decrease. It is just a curious thing for me.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 3:49 am
From: "DoD"

"Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
> news:CQFZf.79537$Eg2.62808@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>
>> "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:e178l1$9so$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
>>>
>>> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
>>> news:zkFZf.79532$Eg2.1733@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:e173k3$7di$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> What doodoo is getting at, is you've not threatened to off people like
>>>>> moi (not a jew-hater by the bye),
>>>>
>>>> Well, I might tend to agree with you on yourself, because you are a
>>>> self admitted troll, but it is curious that any Jew would talk to you
>>>> as much as you lie about Jews and Israel, and the way you call everyone
>>>> hooknose, yid and hebe......Even though we all know you do it 90
>>>> percent for the reason of trolling.
>>>
>>> I call hook noses, hook noses, yids, yids and hebes, hebes. You might
>>> also have noticed any of those words are usually associated with the
>>> word "cunt". Now do you understand?
>>>
>>> I call decent jews, jews, and I call all Israelis, izzies. Got it yet.
>>
>>
>> Dude, I already told you that I understand that you are a troll.
>
> I'm far more than that, doodoo.

So I forgot to put lying in front of troll, sue me.

You're just too, too stupid to understand
> what I'm about.

LOL, other than lying and trolling, what else are you about?

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 1:54 pm
From: "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com>

"DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
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>
> "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e17ak8$ami$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
>>
>> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
>> news:CQFZf.79537$Eg2.62808@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>
>>> "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:e178l1$9so$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
>>>>
>>>> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
>>>> news:zkFZf.79532$Eg2.1733@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:e173k3$7di$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> What doodoo is getting at, is you've not threatened to off people
>>>>>> like moi (not a jew-hater by the bye),
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I might tend to agree with you on yourself, because you are a
>>>>> self admitted troll, but it is curious that any Jew would talk to you
>>>>> as much as you lie about Jews and Israel, and the way you call
>>>>> everyone hooknose, yid and hebe......Even though we all know you do it
>>>>> 90 percent for the reason of trolling.
>>>>
>>>> I call hook noses, hook noses, yids, yids and hebes, hebes. You might
>>>> also have noticed any of those words are usually associated with the
>>>> word "cunt". Now do you understand?
>>>>
>>>> I call decent jews, jews, and I call all Israelis, izzies. Got it yet.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dude, I already told you that I understand that you are a troll.
>>
>> I'm far more than that, doodoo.
>
> So I forgot to put lying in front of troll, sue me.
>
> You're just too, too stupid to understand
>> what I'm about.
>
> LOL, other than lying and trolling, what else are you about?

I don't lie, doodoo. I'm neither yid nor convert. Not a shabbos goy, either.

>
>

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 9:04 pm
From: "DoD"

"Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
> news:bpGZf.79539$Eg2.77235@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>
>> "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:e17ak8$ami$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
>>>
>>> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
>>> news:CQFZf.79537$Eg2.62808@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>>
>>>> "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:e178l1$9so$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
>>>>>
>>>>> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
>>>>> news:zkFZf.79532$Eg2.1733@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:e173k3$7di$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What doodoo is getting at, is you've not threatened to off people
>>>>>>> like moi (not a jew-hater by the bye),
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I might tend to agree with you on yourself, because you are a
>>>>>> self admitted troll, but it is curious that any Jew would talk to you
>>>>>> as much as you lie about Jews and Israel, and the way you call
>>>>>> everyone hooknose, yid and hebe......Even though we all know you do
>>>>>> it 90 percent for the reason of trolling.
>>>>>
>>>>> I call hook noses, hook noses, yids, yids and hebes, hebes. You might
>>>>> also have noticed any of those words are usually associated with the
>>>>> word "cunt". Now do you understand?
>>>>>
>>>>> I call decent jews, jews, and I call all Israelis, izzies. Got it yet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dude, I already told you that I understand that you are a troll.
>>>
>>> I'm far more than that, doodoo.
>>
>> So I forgot to put lying in front of troll, sue me.
>>
>> You're just too, too stupid to understand
>>> what I'm about.
>>
>> LOL, other than lying and trolling, what else are you about?
>
> I don't lie, doodoo.

This is a lie right here.

> I'm neither yid nor convert.

This is true.

> Not a shabbos goy, either.

This is also true. 2 true things, and 1 lie. That is pretty good for one of
your posts.

Now what else are you about?

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 9:08 pm
From: "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com>

"DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
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>
> "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e17c58$b8f$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
>>
>> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
>> news:bpGZf.79539$Eg2.77235@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>
>>> "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:e17ak8$ami$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
>>>>
>>>> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
>>>> news:CQFZf.79537$Eg2.62808@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:e178l1$9so$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:zkFZf.79532$Eg2.1733@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:e173k3$7di$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What doodoo is getting at, is you've not threatened to off people
>>>>>>>> like moi (not a jew-hater by the bye),
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, I might tend to agree with you on yourself, because you are a
>>>>>>> self admitted troll, but it is curious that any Jew would talk to
>>>>>>> you as much as you lie about Jews and Israel, and the way you call
>>>>>>> everyone hooknose, yid and hebe......Even though we all know you do
>>>>>>> it 90 percent for the reason of trolling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I call hook noses, hook noses, yids, yids and hebes, hebes. You might
>>>>>> also have noticed any of those words are usually associated with the
>>>>>> word "cunt". Now do you understand?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I call decent jews, jews, and I call all Israelis, izzies. Got it
>>>>>> yet.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dude, I already told you that I understand that you are a troll.
>>>>
>>>> I'm far more than that, doodoo.
>>>
>>> So I forgot to put lying in front of troll, sue me.
>>>
>>> You're just too, too stupid to understand
>>>> what I'm about.
>>>
>>> LOL, other than lying and trolling, what else are you about?
>>
>> I don't lie, doodoo.
>
> This is a lie right here.

Nope.

>
>> I'm neither yid nor convert.
>
> This is true.
>
>> Not a shabbos goy, either.
>
> This is also true. 2 true things, and 1 lie. That is pretty good for one
> of your posts.
>
> Now what else are you about?

Work it out for yourself, dopey. A couple of the smarter shills have done
so.

>
>

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TOPIC: Giuliani Predicts Another Terror Attack
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/aa9458ae3ef4294
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 3:27 am
From: RealYankee@loveusa.com (RealYankee)

Tom Deley...Money Laundering

WhiteHouse...Outs CIA Agent...Decives America by
saying the culprit will loose his or her job...The
culprit is still in office and has not resigned.

Iraq...Billions missing
Katrina....Billinos missing
Afghanistan....Billinos missing

Come november, it will ALL come out in the
wash....
Republican party....Billions of years in prison.

On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:18:28 -0700, Seneca
<Hispania@latin.com> wrote:

>Porque no mantiene estos envios gusanos en vuestro foro
>soc.cultural.gusano.ex-cubano?
>
>No envien al el foro Boricua, ustedes hieden ya.
>
>
>On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 23:31:53 -0700, PM <pedro1940@progression.net> wrote:
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TOPIC: World War III NEWS, Thursday, April 6th, 2006 AD....Iran Test-Fires '
Top Secret' Missile
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/266a576f7ab70c68
==============================================================================

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 11:15 pm
From: "K Miller"

Looks like my 'sensing' for the first part of April was just Iran
"dropping the first pebble into the pond."
[ I'm still waiting for the ripple effect !!! ]

Israel seems to be in too much turmoil (right now), after their
recent elections, to respond !!!
[and America is still just 'too tapped' to start another War.]

Maybe sometime in May ???

;-)

"The Last 2449 daysT ?" <stargatedecember2012@yahoo.ca> wrote in
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Iran Test-Fires 'Top Secret' Missile

By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer

Wed Apr 5, 1:13 PM ET

Iran said Wednesday it has successfully test-fired a "top secret"
missile, the third in a week, state-run television reported.

The report called the missile an "ultra-horizon" weapon and said it
could be fired from all military helicopters and jet fighters.

The tests came amid war games being held since Friday by the elite
Revolutionary Guards in the Persian Gulf and the Arabian Sea at a
time
of increased tension with the United States over Tehran's nuclear
program.

Iranian television called it a "turning point" in its missile tests
but
gave no other details.

At the same time, the head of the Revolutionary Guards, Gen. Yahya
Rahim Safavi, said the United States must recognize Iran as a "big,
regional power."

Speaking on state television, Safavi said Iran could use the Straits
of
Hormuz to apply pressure on foreign powers. About two-fifths of the
world's oil supplies pass through the 34-mile-wide entrance to the
Gulf.

"The Straits of Hormuz are a point of control and economic pressure
on
the energy transfer route for those foreign powers that might want
to
undermine regional security," Safavi said.

He reiterated that Iran could defend itself against any invasion and
added: "I advise Americans not to move toward a military strike
against
Iran."

On Tuesday, Safavi called for foreign forces to leave the region.
The
U.S. 5th Fleet is based in Bahrain.

That same day, Iran tested a new surface-to-sea radar-avoiding
missile
equipped with remote-control and searching systems, state TV
reported.
It said the new missile, called Kowsar, was a medium-range weapon
that
Iran could mass-produce.

It also said the Kowsar's guidance system could not be scrambled,
and
it had been designed to sink ships.

On Friday, Iran tested the Fajr-3, a missile that it said can avoid
radar and hit several targets simultaneously using multiple
warheads.
Iran also has tested what it calls two new torpedoes.

One of the torpedoes, unveiled Monday, was tested in the Straits of
Hormuz. That seemed to be a clear warning to the United States that
Iran believes it has the capability to disable oil tankers moving
through the Gulf.

The Revolutionary Guards have been holding their maneuvers -
code-named the "Great Prophet" - since Friday.

Some military analysts in Moscow said it appears the high-speed
torpedoes likely were Russian-built weapons that may have been
acquired
from China or Kyrgyzstan.

Others have questioned their capabilities of evading advanced radar
systems such as those in Israel.

The United States said Monday that while Iran may have made "some
strides" in its military, it likely is exaggerating its
capabilities.

"We know that the Iranians are always trying to improve their
weapons
system by both foreign and indigenous measures," Pentagon spokesman
Bryan Whitman said. "It's possible that they are increasing their
capability and making strides in radar-absorbing materials and
technology."

But "the Iranians have also been known to boast and exaggerate their
statements about greater technical and tactical capabilities," he
said.

Safavi on Wednesday rejected the U.S. claims that Iran had
exaggerated
its capabilities.

"They tried to say what is related to our equipment was just a
bluff.
But we announce that the advanced equipment were based on a real and
domestic industry," he said.

The U.N. Security Council has demanded Iran give up uranium
enrichment,
a crucial part of the nuclear process. Washington is pressing for
sanctions if Tehran continues its refusal to do so, though U.S.
officials have not ruled out military action as an eventual option,
insisting they will not allow Iran to gain a nuclear arsenal.

On Tuesday, state TV also said the Revolutionary Guards had tested
what
it called a "super-modern flying boat" capable of evading radar.

The report showed the boat, looking like an aircraft, taking off
from
the sea and flying low over the water.

Iran has held war games for two decades to improve its combat
readiness
and test locally made equipment.

Iran launched an arms development program during its 1980-88 war
with
Iraq to compensate for a U.S. weapons embargo. Since 1992, Iran has
produced its own tanks, armored personnel carriers, missiles and a
fighter plane.

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 8:39 pm
From: "The Last 2447 Days™ ♥"

Very soon, Kim, if the US admin is anything to go by !

Definately b4 January 2007 as they have previously elaborated......

http://www.forward.com/articles/7616

U.S. Officials Are Mulling Iran Strikes, Experts Say
Plans Stepped Up as Tehran Tests Weapons
By MARC PERELMAN
April 7, 2006

Key players in the Bush administration think a military confrontation
with Iran is unavoidable, leading to stepped up military planning for
such a prospect, according to several experts and recently departed
senior government officials.

Some of these observers stressed that military strikes against Iran are
not imminent and speculated that the escalated war chatter could be a
deliberate ploy to ratchet up diplomatic pressure on Tehran to abandon
its nuclear ambitions. Still, they made clear, the tone in Washington
has changed drastically.

"In recent months I have grown increasingly concerned that the
administration has been giving thought to a heavy dose of air strikes
against Iran's nuclear sector without giving enough weight to the
possible ramifications of such action," said Wayne White, a former
deputy director at the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and
Research. White, who worked in the bureau's Office of Analysis for the
Near East and South Asia, left government in early 2005 and is now an
adjunct scholar at the Middle East Institute.

Several experts and former officials interviewed by the Forward pointed
to Vice President Dick Cheney as one of the key figures who has
concluded that the ongoing diplomatic efforts to bring Iran before the
United Nations Security Council and eventually slap the Islamic regime
with sanctions will come to naught, forcing Washington to resort to
force to prevent Tehran from developing nuclear weapons.

Cheney's office responded that he was "supporting the administration's
position" of seeking a diplomatic solution while keeping all options on
the table.

Iran, meanwhile, has also taken several public steps to suggest that it
is preparing for a confrontation. Iranian officials recently announced
with great fanfare that the military had tested several new weapons,
including three new missiles and two new torpedoes, during maneuvers in
the Persian Gulf. After Tehran successfully tested its second new
torpedo, General Mohammad Ebrahim Dehghani told Iranian state
television Monday that the weapon is powerful enough to "break a heavy
warship" in two. The torpedo was tested in the Straits of Hormuz, a
vital corridor for oil supplies.

A day earlier, Iran announced it had tested a high-speed missile, the
Fajr-3, that allegedly can avoid radar and hit several targets
simultaneously. General Hossein Kargar, said Monday that the purpose of
the maneuvers was to prepare for an attack by the United States.

Bush administration officials repeatedly have stated that a diplomatic
solution to the international crisis over Iran's nuclear program would
be preferable, although they would not rule out a military option. Last
week, the U.N. Security Council adopted a non-binding statement urging
Iran to abandon its uranium enrichment activities. Tehran has rejected
the demand, repeating its claim that the sole aim of the country's
nuclear program is to generate electricity.

According to Laurent Murawiec, a senior fellow at the conservative
Hudson Institute, the Bush administration's contingency plans were
being upgraded "because the diplomatic solution has lost credibility."
Murawiec said that while he feared several years ago that some
officials in Washington seemed to be relying on Israel to take out
Iran's nuclear facilities, "I don't fear this anymore." He added that
two European defense ministries were also working on military
contingency plans, but declined to identify them.

The Sunday Telegraph of London reported April 2 that a high-level
meeting of British military and government officials was to take place
to weigh the consequences of an American-led attack on Iran, which is
considered "inevitable" if Tehran fails to comply with U.N. demands to
freeze its uranium enrichment program. British officials forcefully
denied the story, one of several that have appeared in recent months in
the British press describing stepped-up American preparations for war
against Iran.

Such articles, coupled with consultations between senior Israeli and
American military officials, repeated statements by top Bush
administration officials about the imminent threat of Iran and its
links to terrorism, and the growing tensions with Tehran have fueled
speculation of potential confrontation in recent weeks.

"Up until recently, I dismissed talk of military strikes against Iran
as posturing or left-wing conspiracy theories," said Joseph Cirincione,
the director for non-proliferation at the Carnegie Endowment. "But I
recently changed my mind after friends close to the White House and the
Pentagon told me that some people in government have already decided
the military option was the only one and there was active military
planning."

Kenneth Katzman, an expert with the Congressional Research Service,
noted that there was a growing belief in government that eventually a
choice will come between military action and acquiescence of a nuclear
Iran. "There is a broad range of people in government examining the
military option," he added.

Other experts dismissed such talk, saying that any military planning
taking place is simply part of the usual contingency phase. They also
argued that war fatigue, concerns about oil prices and the lack of
available troops rendered a decision to go to war unlikely in the near
future.

"Obviously diplomatic pressure works best with an implicit military
threat in the background; nobody I know is interested in taking that
off the table," said Stephen Biddle, a senior fellow at the Council on
Foreign Relations. "And tea-leaf readers can try to infer subtle ups or
downs in the salience of the implicit military threat that is always in
the background on this issue. But I don't see any major change in
policy ongoing here."

One possibility is that the war talk is part of a strategy to squeeze
Iran, according to Graham Fuller, a retired CIA officer who worked for
years in the Middle East.

"In my opinion," Fuller wrote in an e-mail, "the proliferation of all
these articles on war plans, attack strategies, U.S. generals visiting
Turkey to talk of military 'preparations,' etc., increasingly shows the
fine hand of U.S. (maybe U.K. too) disinformation and psychological
warfare against Iran using a variety of newspapers to plant stories of
rising threats, time running out, and the urgency of the need to use
force to stop Iran. Indeed this campaign may now be intensified,
perhaps out of frustration that the 'real thing' is not, in fact, on
the table any more."

A former senior CIA official said that the United States was conducting
a disinformation campaign that was part of a wider set of covert
operations intended to destabilize the Islamic regime. He declined to
be identified or to be more specific. The Bush administration recently
allocated $85 million to upgrade television and radio broadcasting into
Iran, and to support pro-democracy activists there.

Looking ahead, "the greatest danger is Iran's overconfidence," said
Michael Rubin, a scholar at the conservative American Entreprise
Institute who worked on Iran policy at the Pentagon until his departure
in 2004. "They believe we're bogged down in Iraq. They may believe
we're stymied in the U.N. by the Russians and Chinese. They may believe
oil prices are too high for action. But the administration is deadly
serious. Any military action would likely involve the air force and
navy, not the troops in Iraq. And while everyone recognizes the
problems of any military action, there is a real belief that the
consequences of Iran going nuclear would be worse."

But others believe that Iran is sending a message to Washington that it
could retaliate to a military strike not only by activating its
terrorist networks but also by forcing the United States into a
protracted, bloody and costly war, according to White, the former State
Department intelligence official.

"People have to stop thinking in terms of 'surgical' strikes instead of
a far messier scenario that could evolve into something more akin to
war," White said. "Hostilities could potentially involve elements of
Iran's air force, Iranian attempts to take pot shots at American fleet
units in the Gulf, and much stepped-up — and perhaps more direct —
Iranian trouble-making directed against us and our allies in Iraq. All
of this would, among other things, drive up world oil prices still
farther, perhaps for a considerable period of time."

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TOPIC: Should Hiroshima and Nagasaki bar US investment and merchandise ?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/4ff4bcb10541ff10
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 3:34 am
From: beernuts

Zuo Tung wrote:
> Wrong. The president was forewarned, but he did nothing.

You're conflating two things, "Roosevelt was forewarned" and everyone
else who wasn't that got bombed and strafed. For them, it was every bit
a surprise attack. It was also a surprise attack for the military at
Pearl Harbor who barely had time to defend themselves when the first
planes were sighted. So, surprise for them, too.

Who cares if the gov't in DC weren't surprised - they didn't get bombs
dropped on their heads.

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TOPIC: HELP US REMOVING THE EVIL DOERS
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/91ca267306fee323
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 2:36 am
From: "Vanessa W."

To our friends in Europe: AMERICA NEEDS YOUR HELP! We need your help to
rescue us from the tyranny of the Neo-cons represented by an evil bastard
by the name George W. Bush. We need your help to rescue us as we once
lent you a hand in getting rid of Adolf Hitler.

Many of us Americans are sleeping or brain dead. A few of us are
conscious but not enough to fight against the evil force driven by
corporate greed and power hungry corrupt politicians.

Bush and his gang are running the country like a bunch of mafia. They
would not stop at any thing, including breaking the laws and tell lies,
to go after those who expose their evil doings. For example, when Joseph
Wilson tried to tell the world about Bush's lie on WMD, the Bush gang
resorted to their usual tactic: retaliation! So they went after Joseph's
wife, Valerie Plame, whose undercover role in the CIA was leaked
purposely by the Bush gang. Now Scooter Libby has spoken the truth, the
world now know Bush had authorized the leak, which Bush himself pretended
that he didn't know anything about.

OK, folks, enough is enough. Bush is not an American, at least NOT a
patriotic one. In fact, Bush himself could be working for the enemies of
the US. Just look at a few evidences:

1. Bush has virtually plunged the nation into a huge deficit (from a
large surplus). The trade deficit with China has been deepening at an
alarming rate. This has put the world's biggest capitalist country into
debt to the world's biggest communist country. Bush is the first
president in history to give tax break to the rich during the time of war
while compounding the unbearable burdens onto the poor.
2. Bush has weakened the strength of the US military by deliberately
depleting national resources and military personnel to the point of shame
and disgrace.
3. Bush has weakened the foundation of education with pure bullshit
politics involving falsified statistics and questionable distribution of
funds.
4. Bush has failed to protect American people by having no practical
and effective plan or strategy for port security. In fact, he has been
known to side with a country that brewed the terrorists that attacked the
country. Money seems to blind any and all what is left of Bush's sense of
decency and common sense.
5. Bush's blatant lies and arrogance have killed hundreds of thousands
of innocents in Iraq, where Bush now has no idea how to deal with. He is
obviously too incompetent to manage a simple business, but the stupid
American people (true minority but wickedly rich) have put him in the top
office. Now Bush has managed to screw up at an imaginable scale. What a
true miserable failure this asshole Bush is. On top of every thing else,
Bush's arrogance has put real special final touch to this piece of shit
spoiled brat 50-something adolescent Bush Jr.
6. Bush has done great and long-term damages to the environment, not
only in the US, but also globally. Under the direction of the crooked and
evil oil cartels like ExxonMobil, Bush has made every attempt to destroy
any effort to slow down global warming, which is approaching a point of
no return. In effect, Bush and his friends in the polluting oil industry
are going to kill us all.
7. Bush has destroyed the positive image of Christianity with his evil
deception and inhumane treatment of fellow human being while trying to
identify himself with "God" or "godly" images.
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TOPIC: John Howard - TNI Colaborator
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ef60c48bd240f96d
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 1:36 pm
From: Daeron

jg wrote:
> "Daeron" wrote:
>> jg wrote:
>> > "Daeron" wrote:
>> >> Is it not sad to see an Australian Prime Minister act as an apologist
>> >> for Jakarta ?
>> >>
>> > Which one do you mean... Fraser, Hawke or Keating?
>>
>> Keating was the worse, he seem to want to have sex with the Indonesian
>> military Generals , and he did install the 'Australia Indonesia
> Institute'.
>>
>> But Howard seems to be just as keen to adopt Jakarta's morale code
>> & 'business' ethics/
>
> Yep, old mr "business at all costs".

Yes, and I had a right-of-center Liberal upbringing,
I can explain the social advantages of a free enterprise, of good
businessmen going about their work, etc.

But John Howard is no more Liberal than George Bush is Republican ;
both are in bed with a neo-conservative / neo-colonialist clique like
Jakarta and ConocoPhillips , Freeport McMoRan , Exxon , Newmont.
Corporations and sub-human men who believe making a dollar at other
people's expense is clever.

For two hundred years Australian have tried to build a better world for
themselves and for others; then came vile idiots like Keating & what John
Howard has turned into -

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TOPIC: International Stuff
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5d1b6b36a66fef20
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 8:40 pm
From: "marika"

Lester Mosley wrote:

>
> He looks like the typical traditional Jewish from Isreal in the black
> dress..

front page:Board grounds plan for jewish black dress sites
(the rezoning board voted 6-0 against site approval)
stay downtown we say

mk5000

"the desingers are twisting the associations we have with pieces of pop
culture:"--pete hilgendorf

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 8:50 pm
From: "marika"

Frank Kalder wrote:

> Sorry, Lester mentioned the tornado situation and asked me on that
> issue as regards Germany.

So sorry to learn about tornados. Those germans have
such great hearts!

the shamans believe that kissing the ear
= pressing heart to heart.

That is a neat shamanistic belief!

mk5000

it's a gift from heaven

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TOPIC: World War III NEWS, Saturday, April 8th, 2006 AD.....Plans Stepped Up
as Tehran Tests Weapons
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/689fa7770b94e6eb
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 8:42 pm
From: "The Last 2447 Days™ ♥"

http://www.forward.com/articles/7616

U.S. Officials Are Mulling Iran Strikes, Experts Say

Plans Stepped Up as Tehran Tests Weapons

By MARC PERELMAN

April 7, 2006

Cheney's office responded that he was "supporting the administration's
position" of seeking a diplomatic solution while keeping all options on
the table.

One possibility is that the war talk is part of a strategy to squeeze
Iran, according to Graham Fuller, a retired CIA officer who worked for
years in the Middle East.

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TOPIC: "Washington report urges further religious freedom in Turkey"!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/38b64a7d3ff95643
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 1:53 pm
From: "Mr."

OK just an average report card for the Turks.

Who makes up a report card for the USA?
and who gives a shit what the state dept. says.

"gogu" <golanule_VA_DA_MUIE@MUIEyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e16k10$1g34$4@ulysses.noc.ntua.gr...
> Washington report urges further religious freedom in Turkey
>
> Friday, April 7, 2006
>
>
> ANKARA - Turkish Daily News
>
>
>
> The U.S. State Department, in a recently submitted report to the
> Congress,
> asserted that the Turkish government has generally respected the human
> rights of its citizens but noted that serious problems remain despite the
> fact that improvements have been made in a number of areas of human
> rights.
>
> The State Department, in the report released on Wednesday, put the
> emphasis on "the need to allow free religious expression for all faiths,
> including Protestants, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Baha'i, none of whom have
> legal standing in Turkey."
>
> "The United States continued to urge high-level Turkish government
> officials to reach agreement with the Ecumenical Patriarchate on the
> re-opening of the Halki seminary on the island of Heybeli, to acknowledge
> the ecumenical nature of the Patriarchate, and to ensure the right of
> non-Turkish citizens to serve as clergy. Embassy officials regularly
> continued to engage Turkish officials in a dialogue on religious freedom,"
> the report further said.
>
> "Supporting Human Rights and Democracy: The U.S. Record 2005-2006" is
> the
> fourth such annual publication and is considered a complement to the
> longstanding "Country Reports on Human Rights Practices for 2005."
>
> With the report released earlier this week, the U.S. State Department
> aims
> at "taking the next step, moving from highlighting abuses to publicizing
> the
> actions and programs the United States has employed to end those abuses."
>
> The U.S. administration has asserted that the Turkish government
> continues
> to restrict religious freedom and to punish some forms of nonviolent
> expression by the media and private citizens.
>
> "The government at times restricted the rights of assembly and
> association
> and limited the activities of some political parties and leaders," the
> report said. "Human rights organizations continued to report widespread
> incidents of police torture and ill treatment, although the number of such
> incidents declined. Observers also reported an increase in the number of
> detainees who consulted with attorneys during detention. The constitution
> provides for an independent judiciary; however, the judiciary was
> sometimes
> subject to outside influences."
>
> The report also said that U.S. officials routinely met with
> representatives of various political, religious, social, cultural and
> ethnic
> groups to discuss human rights conditions and relations between these
> groups
> and the government. The officials also met with members of the
> bureaucracy,
> legislature, executive branch and judiciary to encourage broad reforms,
> including those needed to meet European Union accession criteria.
>
> "The ambassador and other U.S. officials met with Cabinet ministers and
> Foreign Ministry officials to discuss freedom of expression and religion,"
> it said.
>
> The report listed various activities carried out by the U.S.
> administration for assisting and improving the understanding of human
> rights
> and democracy in Turkey among the society. The activities were
> particularly
> held for members of the media and nongovernmental organizations.
>
>
> --
>
> E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure
> in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi
> puttane! F.d.A
>
> Coins, travels and more: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/golanule/my_photos
> http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html
>
>
>

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TOPIC: Bangla Terrorist Groups Involved In Varanasi Bomb Blats
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ee4fc3538a948b81
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 8:56 pm
From: "Seeker" <4not_listed_due_to_spam_bots_121101@dont.reply>

"rkusenet" <rkusenet@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1144461347.604937.18120@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>Quit, while you still have some
> respect.

Never. Also, I don't need your respect. I have my own respect. You have
never "raped" me. Not even close. This is where I blame your Indian
education. You don't even argue logically let alone "rape" me. What you have
done successfully at times is frustrated me with your sheer lunacy.
Congratulations to your Indian education.

If we were quitters, we wouldn't have ruled your asses for 1,058 years. We
still rule your minds. Just look at the following stats from
groups.google.com:

Total posts "rkusenet@hotmail.com" 918
Total posts "rkusenet@hotmail.com and Pakistan" 703
Total posts "rkusenet@hotmail.com and Paki" 47

So now run over to your kompoooter and take a week to write a simple sql
script to verify the math below.

You have posted at least (703+47)/918 = 81.70% about Pakistan or Pakistanis.
Guess, what bubba we rule your f**king mind. Could it be that you have
Pakistani blood in you. Hehehehehe.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 9:02 pm
From: "Seeker" <4not_listed_due_to_spam_bots_121101@dont.reply>

<gunjan.ghai@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1144465417.804618.192600@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Seeker
>
> Kya baat hai....yahan pe itni gaaliyan Indians ko....and no reply to my
> posts on your beggar country ?

I have not seen your post.

>
> For the sake of everyone else....Mr.Seeker believes that economic
> measurements have no meaning....you judge a country's prosperity by
> what your eyes see (or want to see)....GDP, Per capita income, literacy
> rates, infant mortality, birth rates, life expectancy are NOT (I repeat
> NOT) indicators of economic status...

Having been to both India and Pakistan, I can tell you regardless of what
"economic measures" say, Pakistan seem so much better.

>
> what seeker seeks is unfathomable to me.
>
> Seeker also refuses to believe that the president of his country and
> the 'best' forces of Pakistan (The SSG they are called) lost so badly
> in 1965, 1971 and Siachen.....and then....the leader of these lost
> battles (Mian Musharraf) blundered the fourth time in Kargil....and
> look what he is now....the president of Pakistan....so now you
> know....the best in pakistan.....are loosers to India !!!

You posted someone's opinion on wikipedia as fact. Do you see a problem with
this?

>
> But then...seeker seeks the truth from Koran.....the rest of the world
> to him seems like an imagined hallucination.....its only Koran which is
> real to him

No, a lot more than the Koran is real to me.

>
> Now....Prediction from me....Seeker wouldnt have a coherent answer...he
> will come back hurling typical pakistani lower class abuses and rant
> about some nonesense with no facts or data

What facts can one present to counter such singular hatred that is displayed
by all you Hindutvadis.

>
> Waiting for seeker's predictable reaction (or maybe he will keep
> running from me as usual)....
>
> Come on Seeker....we miss the fun...say something

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 9:06 pm
From: "Messiah of the Death of Islam"

Seeker

No response to my post ? STILL ?

Just talking through your mouth does not make you intelligent....or
intelligible....Look at what you are saying....Indian
education....please tell me how pakistani education is better/different
?

I have mentioned that you 'ruled' a broken up country....with no hindu
king agreeing with each other....and then Ranjeet Singh....thats the
last Indian ruler YOU had before the brits rescued you....You forget
who ruled you last do you ?

And I think we all enjoy troubling old men like you....we are not here
for anyting but having fun at your expense....and we keep coming back
because you dont stop being a source of entertainment for us
(especially you Seeker....remember people requesting you to come back
and post again....even Naureen used to miss your blabbering)

So now you know ?

And I also think Pakis dont have too many comps and are not educated
enough to be able to respond to facts, data and realit....well...but
they are fun to prod and irritate...you being the king of that category.

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TOPIC: Ali Asker (pasa_asker@lycos.com): "We are the TERRORISTS..."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e30b5c23da4fd885
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 9:01 pm
From: "rick murphy"

http://www.turkishforum.com/pkk/img/photos/bebek_katili1.jpg
http://www.turkishforum.com/greece/visual.html

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Ali Asker (pasa_asker@lycos.com, <pasa_as...@kurdistan.kd>) is a self
proclaimed PKK terrorist and proud of his murders living off british
taxpayers goodwill in Belfast, UK.

++++++++++++++++=

"From: Ali Asker (pasa_asker@lycos.com)
Subject: Re: Kuwerdish contribution to Oscar 2005
This is the only article in this thread
View: Original Format
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian, soc.culture.kurdish,
soc.culture.turkish, soc.culture.iraq
Date: 2004-10-02 04:55:12 PST

We are the TERRORISTS...

We will divide Iran, Turkey, Syria and Iraq in to the pieces until
ever single individual is free from thought control, torture and
brain-washing! Every nation should have their own land where they can
practice their own culture. Iran has consist of about 20 some
different nations and we will tore them in to 20 different countries
and give mollahs a small land where they can practice their barbaric
religion to themselves and only harm temselves.

WE WILL BREAK IRAN IN TO THE PIECES!!! "

++++++++++++++++++

http://www.hurriyetim.com.tr/haber/0,,sid~381@nvid~607454,00.asp

Ereli: Our common interest is to stop the PKK

The U.S. State Department spokesman Adam Ereli in response to whether
the US would allow Turkey to enter the north of Iraq in order to
eliminate the terrorist organization, the Kurdistan Workers Party
(PKK), said that he was unaware that such a statement had been made and
that if it did become a question, the necessary military authorities
would deal with it.

Ereli reiterated that the US recognised the PKK as a terrorist
organization and would act with its common interest with Turkey in
preventing terrorism activities of the PKK.

"Both Turkey and the United States consider PKK a terrorist
organization. Both countries are active against PKK," Ereli indicated.
He noted that the two countries would continue to cooperate and work
together on this matter.

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http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=42380

Boucher: Ocalan Is A Terrorist Who Belongs In A Prison Cell

Published: 5/19/2005

WASHINGTON D.C. - The United States Department of State has announced
that Abdullah Ocalan is a terrorist who ''belongs in a prison cell.''

The U.S. Department of State has indicated that it took note of the
recent decision made by the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) on
Ocalan and that this topic will be best handled by Turkey.

Spokesman of the U.S. Department of State Richard Boucher has said that
the U.S. continues to regard the PKK as a terrorist organization.

Describing Ocalan as a terrorist who belongs in a prison cell, Boucher
said that they did take a note of the ECHR decision.

Yet we believe that this topic would most appropriately be handled by
Turkey itself, commented Boucher.

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http://www.turkses.com/index.asp

The Terror Organization KADEK

1. General

Historical Background

The initial activities regarding the terror organization PKK have
started with the intellectual activities of some students defending the
Marxist-Leninist ideology within the Ankara's Democratic Patriotic
Students Association (ADYÖD) under the leadership of Abdullah ÖCALAN
since 1973.

Abdullah ÖCALAN and his friends declared the setting up of the
Kurdistan's Workers Party (PKK) during an illegal meeting held in the
Diyarbakir province, Lice district, Fis village on November 27, 1978
which was called 1 st. Congress.

The inital documents stating PKK's aim were the "The Way Of
Kurdistan's Revolution-Manifesto" and party program published in 1978.
According to the said program, the aim of the terror organization is to
found initially an independent Marxist-Leninist Kurdistan state in the
East and Southeast Anatolian regions in Turkey by using the method of
armed propaganda and to achieve subsequently its final goal of
establishing an "Independent United Kurdistan" through the unification
of the Kurdish states to be founded in neighboring countries.

To this end, the terror organization PKK having officially declared
the commencement of its armed activities following the bloody attacks
on the districts Eruh and Þemdinli on August 15, 1984 has determined
four-stage strategy in order to divide and destroy Turkey by trying to
gather some part of the people, who have been living in peace within
the country for thousands of years, on a separate territory under a
different flag claiming that they have allegedly a different identity.

According to the above-mentioned strategy, it has been intended to;

- Obtain certain cultural and social rights at the first stage,

- Set up an autonomy or another administrative system of federation
type at the second stage,

- Establish the alleged North Kurdistan in our territory at the
third stage and

- Found an independent and united Kurdistan state in the region to
include some parts of Iranian, Iraqi and Syrian territories at the
final stage.

To this end, the terror organization PKK has adopted the method of
separatism-based, three-phased armed propaganda which was called the
war of people, and based on violence directed against the regional
people. Accordingly, the terror organization PKK has aimed at.

- Completing strategic defense stage through armed propaganda,
alleged guerilla war and mobile war operations under the control of its
leading staff within the framework of its ideological ideas in the
first phase,

- Partially completing the process of establishing fronts and an
army and thus, creating the strategic balance which will provide the
balance of power between the security forces and the terror
organization in the second phase and,

- Establishing saved areas in the region after triggering public
risings wherever possible by escalating the conflicts and passing into
strategic attack state when seizing the authority in the third phase,

The terror organization which has increased its armed force over 8
thousand men and raised the violence it has used against the people
regardless of their being women, elder or children to the highest level
from 1992 has not been able to achieve the above-mentioned stages until
today due to the measures taken in accordance with the "Area
Superiority Concept" put into practice from 1994, and the operations
successfully conducted by security forces. As a result, the separatist
terror organization was forced to take the decision of unilateral
ceasefire four times in 1993, 1995, 1998 and finally on September 01,
1999 in order to preserve its terrorist power.

The terror organization desiring to exploit the alleged cease-fire
as an opportunity of recovery for tactical purposes has tried to prove
that it still maintains its existence by continuing its acts and
violence against the civilians and security forces in rural, on the one
hand, carrying out sabotage and bomb attacks in the cities, on the
other hand.

The Turkish Armed Forces has gained an important success in pulling
down the terror organization and its activities to a marginal level
through a successful military operation it has conducted under the
Turkish constitution and legislation to destroy the internal threat, by
acting in a way that ensures the simultaneous implementation of a
series of administrative, social and economic measures taken to prevent
the support being provided to the terror organization.

The last achievement of the Turkish Armed Forces in struggling
against terrorism was that head of the terror organization A. ÖCALAN,
who was deported from Syria, was taken to Turkey following his capture
in Kenya/Nairobi on February 15, 1999 and brought before the
independent court.

The terror organization, tending to resort again to violence during
the period when the head of the terror organization has been taken to
Turkey and brought before the judge, has been able to adapt itself to
the new situation in a short time within the framework of the defense
that head of the terror organization has made in the court and has
tried to reach its goal by exploiting Turkey's EU goal and certain
values such as human rights and democratic rights widely accepted by
the international community. Within the framework of his defense in the
court, the head of the terrorist organization has changed his tactic
and begun to articulate such concepts as "Democratic Republic" and
"Democratic Middle Eastern Union" in its defense to save himself from
capital punishment.

At the VII. Congress of the terror organization held in the Kandil
Mountain region in Iraq on January 02-23, 2000 during which the new
strategy of the terror organization was agreed, it was decided that;

- The armed activities should be resumed in case of execution of
head of the terrorist organization and.

- The Kurdistan's National Liberation Army (ARGK), the alleged
military flank of the terror organization should maintain its existence
under the title of "People Defense Forces (Hezi Parastini Gel-HP) and
the Kurdistan's National Liberation Front (ERNK), the alleged political
flank of the terror organization, which mainly carries out activities
in European countries under the "Kurdish Democratic People Union
(Yekita Democratic A Gele Kurd-YDK) until appropriate legal
arrangements regarding recognition of the Kurdish identity in Turkey
and constitutional guarantees are provided.

The legalization plan that the terror organization has developed
according to its new strategy agreed during its congress, provides for
the followings:

- Giving the message that it is ready to make peace with the
government of Turkish Republic in order to obtain the status of being
recognized as a party in national and international public opinion,

- Handing over some terrorists to the security forces to convince
the public opinion that it is allegedly ready to make peace,

- Making political studies within the People's Democratic Party
(HADEP), which has political connection with the terror organization,
or a similar legal organization, and cooperating with other political
parties,

- Making guiding studies within the municipalities governed by
HADEP to broaden grass roots,

- Having contacts and cooperating with intellectuals from all
circles in Turkey's democratization to ensure the alleged cultural
rights of Kurds being recognized,

- Demanding that the Turkish government should make legal changes
to prove its goodwill through the human rights organizations,

- Bringing up the education in Kurdish language,

- Ensuring the Kurdish identity coming to the fore by focusing on
cultural activities,

- Organizing campaigns in order to ensure the scope of the law of
amnesty being extended,

The terror organization has attempted by its new plan to reach its
final goal that it could not achieve through its armed struggle it has
been carrying out for 16 years, through legalization efforts. To this
end, it has increased its activities it has conducted under the title
of the "Democratic Republic" at home and under "Political Settlement (
Solution ) To The Kurdish Problem" abroad,

In the plan the terror organization developed under the name of
"Peace Project" on March 07, 2000 following the VII. Congress,

- The alleged "Kurdish Problem" and PKK terror are identified with
the Irish, Palestinian, East Timor and Basque problems and it is
requested that the related "Political Solution" initiatives should also
be taken in Turkey and,

- It is put forward that the settlement of the alleged Kurdish
problem in Turkey in accordance with the predictions of head of the
terror organization, Öcalan would also serve the settlement of the
problems in the Middle Eastern countries, and the "Democratic Middle
Eastern Union" to be set up in regional countries would lead to
economic, social and cultural developments,

- Subsequently, in its 2nd "Party Assembly" meeting held in North
Iraq in September 2000, the terror organization decided to be
reorganized to conceal its terrorist identity and began to term its
former structure with innocent titles,

- Assuming that the new strategy of the terror organization could
not be well understood and adopted by its mountain members, the terror
organization held the III. "Party Assembly" meeting between 27 February
and 03 March 2001 and focused on restructuring activities in accordance
with the decisions it took during the said meeting. In addition, the
terror organization, having assessed that the people movement
activities could not achieve the desired level, has intensified its
efforts to ensure its new strategy being accepted by its members and
supporters through a series of meetings.

In this context;

* The "Centralized Propaganda and Media Conference" was held
between 29 May and 07 June 2001 in order for the efforts in the media
field, that the terror organization considers to be insufficient, and
to reach an organized structure,

* The "1st Public Movement Conference" was held between 20 June and
02 July 2001 for the purpose of carrying out the acts and activities
the terror organization has started under the name of alleged 2nd Peace
Efforts, in a more organized manner through its supporters and
sympathizers who are directed by the front organizations,

* The "1st Public Defense Forces (HPG), Conference" was held
between 28 June and 12 July 2001 in order to develop a new structure by
making radical changes in the armed flank of the terror organization
from the armed group order and discipline to war tactics and
techniques,

* The "3rd Free Women Party (PJA) Conference" was held on July
11-22, 2001 to make the women organizations conducting activities in
legal and illegal fields more active and organized,

* The "1st Culture, Art and Folklore Conference" was held on 11-22
July 2001 in order to indoctrinate wider parts of the people with
separatist ideas and,

* The "6th National Conference" was held on August 05-22, 2001
under the leadership of the alleged Supreme Council of the terror
organization in order to coordinate the conferences to be held in line
with the activities the terror organization carries out in various
fields and to direct all organizational efforts towards public
movements,

- The above-mentioned conferences have drawn special attention as
the ones which have been held within the framework of preparations for
the 8th Congress of the terror organization PKK. According to the
decisions taken during the said conferences, various campaigns have
been organized primarily in Europe and subsequently in Turkey for the
purpose of gaining support for the requests of constitutional
recognition of the Kurdish identity and the use of Kurdish language as
the language of education. However, the terror organization has not
been able to reach the desired level of participation by the people.

- On the other hand, the terror organization has focused on
re-establishment of the terrorist groups not directly affected by the
security forces and on their armed training in raid, laying ambush and
sabotage. The disagreements arising within the terror organization,
PKK-KPU conflict and escape of nearly five hundred Syrian terrorists
from the terror organization in particular have been the noticeable
problems that the terror organization has faced within the period under
review.

- In the meantime, the defense that head of the terror organization
has developed for his trial lasting in the European Court of Human
Rights has been printed by the terrorist organization in a two-volume
book under the title of "From the Sumerian Monastic State To The
Democratic Republic", accepted as the second manifesto and begun to be
used as a guide document for all activities carried out by the terror
organization and as a basic document in the ideological training of the
terrorist organization's members and supporters.

- The 8th Congress preparations which have lasted for a long time
in accordance with the outline of the said defense of head of the
terrorist organization was held in the Kandil Mountain region in
Northern Iraq on April 04-10, 2002 with the participation of 285
terrorist's 106 of whom were women and 179 men as well as about 100
audiences,

- In the said congress during which the activities the terror
organization PKK has conducted in the past and report developed
according to the defense of head of the terror organization and
submitted to the congress have also been evaluated, it has been pointed
out that;

* The terror organization PKK has obtained some advantages like
raising of the Kurdish problem in international area as a result of the
armed struggle it has conducted since 1977,

* However, the ideology and modus operandi adopted by the terror
organization at the beginning have failed due to the collapse of the
former Soviet system and the anti-terror environment arising following
the September 11, 2001 terrorist attack on the US and,

* It has been the time that PKK would be replaced by a completely
new formation in order not to be included in the list of terrorist
organizations, and it must undergo restructuring beginning from its
ideology to its lowest-level units, including a change in its
organizational title,

* The "3rd Free Women Party (PJA) Conference" was held on July
11-22, 2001 to make the women organizations conducting activities in
legal and illegal fields more active and organized,

* The "1st Culture, Art and Folklore Conference" was held on 11-22
July 2001 in order to indoctrinate wider parts of the people with
separatist ideas and,

* The terror organization PKK has obtained some advantages like
raising of the Kurdish problem in international area as a result of the
armed struggle it has conducted since 1977,

- During its 8th Congress, the terror organization has stated that
PKK's role has ended under current circumstances and decided that;

* It will not use the title "PKK" in the activities it carries out
in every field from April 04, 2002 when the birthday of head of the
terrorists is,

* It will conduct its activities under the title "Kurdistan's
Freedom and Democracy Congress-KADEK" from now on in accordance with a
new program, statute and organization based on the solution of Kurdish
problem in line with the main points of the defense that head of the
terrorists has submitted to the European Court of Human Rights within
the existing borders in four countries,

* PKK considers KADEK as its sole legal representative and disposes
of its moral and physical acquisitions to KADEK. The terror
organization made a press conference in Belgium/Brussels on April 16,
2000 and publicized its decisions.

- In the meantime, the fact that the inclusion of the PKK in the
list of terrorist organizations developed by the European Union member
nations which was issued on May 4, 2002 has led the members of the
terrorist organizations into great concern regarding the possible
inclusion of KADEK in the list of terrorist organizations. For this
reason, the terror organization has immediately begun to make protests
against such nations as Denmark, Spain, the UK who have had an effect
on the related decision-making,

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Date: Sat, Apr 8 2006 1:15 am
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Reward paid on conviction of Suchart and Yuwadee Akkavibul.

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Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 9:03 pm
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