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* Some say Iran's weapons come from Russia - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/938d3d0d2a6b5e90
* Jewish taxes on grocery items - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c06e4309b7ac1859
* A museum in Amsterdam has obtained previously unseen letters written by Anne
Frank. - 1 messages, 1 author
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* World War III NEWS, Thursday, April 6th, 2006 AD....Iran Test-Fires 'Top
Secret' Missile - 3 messages, 2 authors
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* Government Goons Murder Puppies - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* The Videotape Recorder Turns 50 - 3 messages, 2 authors
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* men in uniform in iraq - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Too late on global warming? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Anything That Could Possibly Go Wrong in Singapore! - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Wal Mart to stop gun sales in a third of it's US stores - 1 messages, 1
author
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* Milan Prosecutor Presses Hunt for CIA Kidnappers - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Berlusconi a Sore Loser in Italy - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Neil Young Records "Impeach Bush" song - 1 messages, 1 author
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* NonAligned Movement Mtg Preparations Underway - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Lebanon Wants Bush to Help Oust Israeli Occupation - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Bolivia demands back taxes from oil companies - 1 messages, 1 author
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* The Israeli Election & The "Demographic Problem" - 1 messages, 1 author
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* What happened? Historic events for April 16-22 - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Iraqi Shiite exodus from mixed towns - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Some say Iran's weapons come from Russia
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/938d3d0d2a6b5e90
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 10:37 pm
From: "captain."
"Andrzej Adam Filip" <anfi@priv.onet.pl> wrote in message
news:87lku6u8tj.fsf@anfi.homeunix.net...
> "TBD" <yournamehere@yourdomain.com> writes:
>
>> "captain." <spammersmustdie@now.net> wrote in message
>> news:q450g.13396$Zl.4063@edtnps89...
>>>
>>> "MTRPT" <Mir.Topolski@gmx.de> wrote in message
>>> news:1145096239.610034.245930@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>>>> TBD wrote:
>>>>> "Andrzej Adam Filip" wrote:
>>>>> > Does USA threat military action against Iran?
>>>>> No. The USA has repeatedly said it wants a diplomatic solution.
>>>>
>>>> C'mon Brookski. Even Krapo knows that US diplomacy = oxymoron.
>>>>
>>>
>>> i believe that the usa will not invade iran.
>>>
>>> but imagine they do... can you say "draft"?
>>
>> No need for a draft. Just cruise-missile every Iranian powerplant and
>> no more centrifuges.
>>
>> The Serbs learned the hard how the US can bring you down without ever
>> touching foot on your soil.
>
> Are you ready to preach "your wisdom" to US Army troops in Iraq?
>
> If you think that any serious aerial offensive against Iran can go
> without "increased" US Army casualties in Iraq then you are "wise" as
> George Walker Bush.
>
> Iran had a lot of time to prepare responses for multiple scenarios.
>
iran's "conventional" army would be crushed just like iraq's was. but the
real war begins when all of those soldiers take off their uniforms and blend
in with the civilains to begin phase 2 of the war.
iran is much more powerful than iraq was. they are probably the most
dominant military power in the middle east. or maybe the second most.
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TOPIC: Jewish taxes on grocery items
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c06e4309b7ac1859
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 10:39 pm
From: Asterix
On 24 Jul 2005 14:33:54 -0700, gordonv8@hotmail.com wrote:
>Jewish taxation without Gentile representation
>"A hypothesis(?) that readily springs to mind from the above
>revelations is that what we have stumbled upon here is a Jewish tax on
>food which appears to have spread throughout the kitchen to non-food
>items so as to become a Jewish tax on food plus kitchen products, and
>from there made its way to the laundry room so as to become a Jewish
>tax on food plus kitchen products plus laundry products, and from there
>metastacized to the medicine cabinet so as to become a Jewish tax on
>food plus kitchen products plus laundry products plus over-the-counter
>medications. And the question that the above revelations urgently
>presses upon consciousness is how much this Jewish tax - if it may be
>so described - costs the average Canadian household each year. Ten
>dollars? A hundred dollars? A thousand dollars? What? Why don't we
>know? Why is there no way to find out? Why isn't this a matter of
>public record?"
>Many graphics of grocery items on this page, click below:
>http://www.ukar.org/tax02.html
>Faster download, less graphics on (this) prior page:
>http://www.ukar.org/ronen01.html
Subject: KOSHER TAX Ripoff-HEINZ/Libby Dumps,Too Expensive to
Consumers!! MORE!
On 27 Sep 2004 15:50:36 -0000, ErnstZundel <antizhid@pamyat.org>
wrote:
Now, when you buy HEINZ and LIBBY goods, you are no
longer lining the pocketrs of the COR Jew parasites,
like the so-called kosher food inspector in Calgary,
Toronto and wherever they hide under the rocks....
Now, these leeches will have to try and find some work to do,
such as janitorial, road sweeping or whatever they may be
qualified to do...
Notice that parasite Ken McVay AGREES WITH THE TRUTH OF THE
ARTICLES. That is why his Jew masters have him do ad
hominem attacks instead, to try and divert attention!!
>From: norma2339@charter.net
>Newsgroups: wpg.general,calgary.general
>Subject: Re: Heinz Dumps KOSHER TAX-Too Expensive to Consumers!!
>Date: 2 Apr 2003 02:33:32 -0800
>"veranda" <nobody@home.com> wrote in message
>news:<NQria.6802$vs.479414@news3.calgary.shaw.ca>...
>> > > veranda : the origins of Kosher are of very good value since it
>> > > teaches sanitary way of food storage , handling and preparation .
>> > > Those were valuable practices hundreds of years ago .
>> > > The whole point is that Today it only duplicates the work of
>> > > Public Food Inspectors and therefore is an unjustified extra cost
>> <norma2339@charter.net> wrote in message
>> news:9abc4e06.0304010305.50dc870e@posting.google.com...
>> > What duplication? It is a symbol on the container and the cost would
>> > not change in any way. This "paranoia" is silly.
>veranda : what 'paranoia' ?? we are talking about saving money .
>In order to have the Kosher mark on a product the manufacturer
>must subscribe to the Rabbi inspections ( just like Public
>Inspectors ) and the Rabbi are charging money for their services ,
>you knew that !
>Kosher is Israel's food inspectors , dear , not in Canada though ,
>we got our own ! :)
>Well, to set the record straight. The Rabbinate council that approves
>something Kosher according to milk and meat products probably got a
>flat fee and if the company continued to raise the prices that counsel
>doesn't really care. It is not an item by item thing. With the
>Kosher diet it matters what foods are eate together (and never mil and
>meat) and one eats mostly milk meals, because the time period between
>those types of meals is longer after meat (a much heavier meal in the
>day.)
>What would it save you--less than $10 a year.
>All countries have their own Rabbinate Councils, so don't think that it
>is just Canada with their own. Maybe it is the Canadian Rabbis who
>have demanded more money?
>Or, perhaps Philip Wolf, the KOSHER FOOD INSPECTOR in Calgary wanted
>more than the $35,000 a year he got for duplicating the work of the
>Canadian authorities?? Apparently, his part-time stamps business
>couldn't make any money either.
>On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 10:25:20 -0600, Boris Dynin <boris@movil.com> wrote:
>Further to the article below about Heinz/Libby, the smaller article
>following sheds more light on the KOSHER NOSTRA EXTORTION TAX!!
>The "Kosher Nostra Scam" on the American Consumer
>by
>Ernesto Cienfuegos
>La Voz de Aztlan
>Los Angeles, Alta California - 4/27/2002 - (ACN) La Voz de Aztlan
>receives quite a few "news tips" per week from our many subscribers
>and readers. Some we dismiss immediately but a very few catch our
>attention.
>Last week we received an e-mail asking us if we knew the significance
>of the small encircled letter "U" or letter "K" that can be found
>printed on many food cans, food packages and on other kitchen
>products. The message gave us some clues and suggested that we
>do some research into the subject. What we found
>certainly was "news" to us and it both shocked and angered us.
>On arriving at my residence, I immediately went to the pantry to
>verify that what I had just learned was actually true. Sure enough,
>most of the packaged and canned foods from major companies, like
>Proctor & Gamble and others, did have the (U), the (K) or other
>similar markings. The Arrowhead water bottle, the instant Folgers
>Coffee, the Kelloggs box, the Jiff Peanut Butter, the Pepper
>container, the Trader Joe's tea box and even the Glads plastic
>sandwich bags carton had the (U) or (K) mark on them.
>We needed a little more verification so we called two major companies
>to ask some questions. We chose Proctor & Gamble that markets the
>Folgers Coffee and the Clorox Company that manufactures the Glads
>plastic zip lock sandwich bags. Each of the two companies, as well as
>most others, have 1-800 telephone numbers printed on their packages
>for consumers to call in case they have any questions about their
>products. When we asked the Proctor & Gamble representative what the
>(U) meant on their Folgers Coffee container, she asked us to wait
>until she consulted with her supervisor. She came back and informed us
>that the mark meant that the coffee was " certified kosher".
>We than asked her how and who certified the coffee to be "kosher" and
>whether it cost any money to do so. She refused to answer these and
>other questions. She suggested that we write to their Corporate Public
>Affairs Department. We than called the Clorox Corporation to ask what
>the (U) meant on the package of their Glads plastic sandwich bags and
>she also said that the (U) meant that the plastic bags were "kosher"
>but refused to answer questions concerning payments the Clorox
>Corporation has to make in order to be able to print the (U) on their
>products.
>What we learned next, pretty much floored me personally. I learned
>that major food companies throughout America actually pay a Jewish Tax
>amounting to hundreds of million of dollars per year in order to
>receive protection.
>This hidden tax gets passed, of course, to all non-Jewish consumers of
>the products. The scam is to coerce the companies to pay up or suffer
>the consequences of a Jewish boycott. Jewish consumers have learned
>not to buy any kitchen product that does not have the (U) the (K) and
>other similar markings.
>Another shocker was learning who is actually behind these
>sophisticated "Kosher Nostra Scams." It turns out that the
>perpetrators of these elaborate extortion schemes are actually
>Rabbinical Councils that are set up, not just in the U.S. but in other
>western countries as well. For example, the largest payola operation
>in the U.S. is run by those who license the (U) symbol. The
>(U) symbol provides protection for many products sold here in Aztlan
>and in the United States. This symbol is managed by the The Union of
>Orthodox Jewish Congregations with headquarters at 333 Seventh Avenue
>in New York City.
>The scam works like a well oiled machine and is now generating vast
>amounts of funds, some of which are being utilized by the Union of
>Orthodox Rabbis to support the Ariel Sharon Zionist government in
>Israel. The website of the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations is
>full of pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian propaganda.
>The "Kosher Nostra" protection racket starts when an Orthodox Rabbi
>approaches a company to warn the owners that unless their product is
>certified as kosher, or "fit for a Jew to eat", they will face a
>boycott by every Jew in America. Most, if not all of the food
>companies, succumb to the blackmail because of fear of the Jewish
>dominated media and a boycott that may eventually culminate in
>bankruptcy. Also, the food companies know that the cost can be passed
>on to the consumer anyway. The food companies have kept secret from
>the general consumer the meaning of the (U) and the amount
>of money they have to pay the Jewish Rabbis.
>It is estimated that the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations, which
>manages the (U) symbol protection racket, controls about 85% of the
>"Kosher Nostra " certification business. They now employ about 1200
>Rabbi agents that are spread through out the U.S.
>Food companies must first pay an exorbitant application fee and then a
>large annual fee for the use of the (U) copyright symbol. Secondly,
>the companies must pay separate fees each time a team of Rabbis shows
>up to "inspect" the company's operations.
>Certain food companies are required to hire Rabbis full time at very
>lucrative salaries.
>The amount of money that the non-Jewish consumer has paid the food
>companies to make up for the hidden Jewish Tax is unknown, but it is
>estimated to be in the BILLIONS since the scam first started. The
>Orthodox Jewish Councils as well as the food companies keep the amount
>of the fees very secret. The Jewish owned Wall Street Journal wrote
>about the problem many years ago, but they have stopped writing about
>it now.
>Only public awareness concerning the "Kosher Nostra Scam" will
>eventually help stop this swindle of the American consumer. Public
>education of the scam may lead to an eventual non-Jewish boycott of
>all products with the (U), (K) or other Jewish protection symbols. I
>certainly do not need to pay extra for "kosher water", "kosher coffee"
>or "kosher plastic sandwich bags".
>In fact, I demand my money back for all I had to pay over the years
>for the hidden and illegal Jewish Tax. Are there any bright attorneys
>out there that could bring a class action suit against the Union of
>Orthodox Jewish Congregations on behalf of the citizens of Aztlan and
>other non-Jewish people?
>* * * * * * * * * * * *
>CONGRATULATIONS TO HEINZ/LIBBY FOR STARTING THE
>ANTI-KOSHER NOSTRA REVOLT!!
>>>Further to the article below, today's Southam newspapers
>>>report that Canadian Jew News stated that Heinz Canada
>>>have removed the Koosher Tax Certification from almost
>>>all Heinz products.
>>>Heinz declared this was done " to keep costs down" according
>>>to Heinz spokeman Anna Relyea.
>>>To save money Heinz stopped the KOSHER TAX on tomato sauces
>>>and pastes, vinegar and mustard, and also jars of baby foods.
>>>Also, the KOSHER TAX was dropped on all domestic beans,
>>>including those sold under the Libby's label.
>>>Naturally, the ZHID rabbis who made a killing in fees from
>>>the KOSHER TAX are now complaining, according to Rabbi
>>>Mordechai Levin, executive director of COR(Council of
>>>Orthodox Rabbis).
>>>Good for Heinz!! Perhaps now more firms will join the
>>>refusal to pay the KOSHER TAX!!!
>>>From: tyler <tylerdurdensidea@yahoo.com>
>>>Newsgroups: calgary.general,soc.culture.jewish,edm.general
>>>Subject: You asked for it! Proof that COR religous tax on food costs
>>>consumers
>>>Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 00:55:49 GMT
>>>You asked for it! Proof that COR religous tax on food costs consumers
>>>It has been said by zionists and orthodox that the COR tax on Canadian
>>>food does not cost the consumer. Of course this is ridiculous and the
>>>proof is easily found.
>>>COR stands for Council of Orthodox Jews. They certify foods as kosher.
>>>Foods such as Heinz Ketchup and Windsor Salt, and non foods such as
>>>aluminum foil and bleach, have COR certification. Look at the label,
>>>if you see COR followed by a number then the manufacturer pays rabbis
>>>to inspect food, facilities and preparation methods. If they conform
>>>to religious law then the product is certified as kosher.
>>>The following has been snipped from:
>>>http://www.kosherquest.org/html/Reliable_Kosher_Symbols.htm
>>>Pay attention to the fact that kosher certification, in other words
>>>rabbinical organizations, can derive profit. COR certification costs
>>>are passed along to the consumer by the manufacturer and a religious
>>>organization is profitting. Canadian consumers must boyocott any COR
>>>certified food product to stop a religion from hijiacking Canadian
>>>food production and unfairly profiting from the sale of food items.
>>>The website explains:
>>>Once contact with a certifying agency is made, the detective work
>>>begins. The manufacturer must supply a complete, detailed list of
>>>every ingredient in the product, including preservatives, release
>>>agents, stabilizers or other inert ingredients. In addition, every
>>>step in the manufacturing process, every cleansing agent used on the
>>>equipment and all other products produced on the same premises require
>>>close investigation and supervision.
>>>The certifying agency must track down each ingredient to its ultimate
>>>source. If, for instance, the ingredient is meat or a meat by-product,
>>>the item cannot be kosher unless the meat source itself is strictly
>>>kosher. Wine and wine by-products, cheese, and some dairy by-products
>>>(such as whey) present the same problem. Any oil used in the
>>>manufacture of foodstuffs has to be traced back to the oil processor.
>>>The supervising agency must conduct a complete and intense
>>>investigation into the origin of all the ingredients.
>>>The results of all these investigations are forwarded to the rabbinic
>>>authority (or board) of the supervising agency. If changes in
>>>ingredients or processes are required, the manufacturer must make the
>>>changes before the agency will do further work. Once all is
>>>acceptable, the rabbinic authority will determine the amount of
>>>on-plant supervision necessary. This information is written into a
>>>contract and then sent to the manufacturer.
>>>The cost of certification to the manufacturer is minimal. For
>>>non-profit agencies, cost depends on the amount of on-site work.
>>>Agencies making a profit might have a minimum annual charge and fees
>>>depending on the gross annual sales of the product.
>>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>The cost is minimal to the manufacturer because they are passed on to
>>>the consumer. The consumer pays 100% of the costs, no wonder they say
>>>that!
>>>...and whoever heard of a rabbinical agency not making money. They
>>>likely all have a minimum annual charge and fees based on the gross
>>>annual sales of the product.
>>>The website claims that certification increases sales. Ask your
>>>friends and neighbours if they know what COR means. Unless they are
>>>Jewish, they won't have any idea. So much for sales being increased
>>>because something is certified.
>>>tyler
>>>the consumer watchdog!!!
As to what those markings mean:
The letter "K" simply means "Kosher." Kosher, in Hebrew, means fit or
proper,
and is generally used to describe foods that are prepared in
accordance with
special Jewish dietary laws. These laws are stringent and almost
incomprehensible to those not versed in them.
The small "u" in a circle or ("OU") stands for the Union of Orthodox
Jewish
Congregations and shows that the food underwent rabbinical supervision
in its
preparation. (An "OUD" marking shows that the package contains dairy
products,
while an "OUM" indicates the presence of meat.)
"Parve" (also "pareve") is Yiddish for "neutral." The presence of this
word on
packaging signifies that the contents of the package contain neither
milk nor
meat and thus can be combined with other ingredients in recipes.
(Jewish
dietary law forbids the mixing of meat and dairy, thus a packaged food
that
contained cheese could not be combined with, say, hamburger.)
This variety of markings used on packaged foods alert consumers that
items
contained therein either meet the strict dietary constraints imposed
by Judaism
on its followers or that the contents of the package can be mixed with
other
foods or can touch them. Not all Jews keep kosher, nor even among
those who do
are the strictures always adhered to rigorously, but those determined
upon
being truly pious are aided in this endeavor by the presence of those
markings.
The devout go so far as to maintain two separate sets of utensils,
cookware,
and cutting surfaces so that meat and dairy never encounter one
another in
their kitchens. It is for their benefit that otherwise puzzling kosher
certifications on non-foodstuff items are there (e.g., certifications
are
placed upon dishwashing liquid because dishes used for dairy cannot be
washed
using a soap made from animal fats).
Less observant Jews do not bother themselves overly much about the
kosherness
of everyday items; they avoid the out-and-out no-nos such as pork and
shellfish
but don't lose much sleep over the animal fat content of their
washing-up
liquid, nor do they fret that cold cuts might now be resting upon a
plate that
had months earlier been used to serve cheese. The proponents of the
"Jewish
Secret Tax" slander often assert that a sub rosa Jewish cabal forces
large
companies to comply via the threat of a nationwide boycott, backed by
the
underlying presumption that all Jews can be marshalled into turning
their backs
on products that fail to display kosher certification marks. That is
not the
case ? Jews buy and use non-kosher items too, so although lack of
kosher
certification keeps the ultra-conservative crowd from buying certain
products,
it doesn't prevent the less stringent from making such purchases, nor
would a
"don't buy that because it's not kosher" directive have much effect
even if
there were a secret Jewish cabal to issue it.
Those seeking kosher certification for their products have to adhere
to kosher
practices through the manufacturing process, use only kosher
ingredients, and
have their facilities regularly vetted by qualified inspectors. Kosher
certification companies do charge for this service, which is the
backbone of
the "secret tax" claim ? it costs money to obtain and maintain kosher
certification, thus this is an extra expense a manufacturer must bear
if he's
determined upon having that certification. Where the rumor and reality
part
ways, however, is where the money goes. Fees paid to kosher
certification
companies go to keeping those businesses afloat with the profits
siphoned off
by those companies' owners; they do not flow off into some special
Jewish fund
used to advance Zionist causes. These are businesses, not charities,
and those
who run them do so with every expectation of making a living, in the
same
manner that someone who owns a hardware store does so with the notion
of making
enough from the endeavor to support himself and his family.
Does certification add to the price of a product? Certainly, but the
amount is
miniscule, especially compared to the advertising, packaging,
shipping,
research, testing, admin and finance-related costs, and a myriad of
other
components that contribute to the process of bringing a product to
market or
making it better appeal to consumers. One might as well rail against
the costs
associated with selecting the ink colors and style of lettering used
on a
package ? it's all legitimate business expense, even though no one
ever rails
against the "Secret Red Ink Conspiracy" or rants about the "Helvetica
Font
Tax."
Barbara "heading for Helvetica in a handbasket" Mikkelson
Additional information:
A Kosher Primer
(Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America)
Last updated: 24 May 2002
The URL for this page is
http://www.snopes.com/racial/business/kosher.htm
Harry Mazal <hmazal@txdirect.net> wrote:
> Heinz/Libby held a press conference, to tell the world the truth.
> Canadian Jewish News published articles detailing the situation, and
> complaining about the fact that some of the ZHID groups would not be getting
> the many millions of dollars from Heinz.
> Which is more reliable, Heinz and the newspaper, or you, you snivelling rat?
> On 1 Sep 2005 14:53:43 -0700, sheldon@liberman.com wrote:
> >GeorgeF wrote:
> >> NOTICE THAT NONE OF THE FILTHY ZHID APOLOGISTS FOR THIS EXTORTION
> >> WILL SAY WHAT IS THE TOTAL IN HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PAID
> >> FOR THIS EXTORTION!!
> >> We do know that Philip Wolf a part-time kosher food inspector (sic)
> >> in Calgary Canada testified in court that he gets $35,000 for his
> >> part-time job!!
> >> Heinz/Libby finally got fed up this year,and stopped paying the
> >> extortion tax!!
> >> Now, when you buy HEINZ and LIBBY goods, you are no
> >> longer lining the pocketrs of the COR Jew parasites,
> >> like the so-called kosher food inspector in Calgary,
> >> Toronto and wherever they hide under the rocks....
> >> Now, these leeches will have to try and find some work to do,
> >> such as janitorial, road sweeping or whatever they may be
> >> qualified to do...
> >> Notice that parasite Ken McVay AGREES WITH THE TRUTH OF THE
> >> ARTICLES. That is why his Jew masters have him do ad
> >> hominem attacks instead, to try and divert attention!!
If you believe in the TRUTH and the RIGHT,
then visit www.freedomsite.org
Lawyers, politicians, and judges need to be recycled - as fertiliser!!
"At a time of universal deceit - telling the truth
is a revolutionary act."
(George Orwell)
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"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed,
and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
(Arthur Schopenhauer)
"The reason men are silenced is not because they speak falsely,
but because they speak the truth. This is because if men speak
falsehoods, their own words can be used against them; while if
they speak truly, there is nothing which can be used
against them -- except force." -- John Bryant
"To attempt to silence a man is to pay him homage, for it is an
acknowledgement that his arguments are both impossible to answer
and impossible to ignore."
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VISIT me at:
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We all like late night discussions, even from Stormfront,
Christian Identity, Pamyat, Aryan Nations, etc.
We are together with McVay, regional managers for NAMBLA.
We like young children, so that we can train them our way.
Ken McVay invites callers,and visitors,to his homosexuals escorts
office: VISIT at:
#5 - 1601 - Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada, or my home at:
Apt. 3108 - 995 Bowen Road, Nanaimo, B.C., Canada
or call: 1-250-616-9431
As everyone can see McVay takes it as a compliment when he is
called a "confessed child-molester" and the additional material
should give an indication as to the why.
"I am weary of seeing the issue of "child porn" blown out of
proportion (I've been on and around the Net since 1988, and have
yet to come across anything I'd consider "child porn." I've
seen photos of naked children, but then I've got some of those in
my family photo album, and fail to see the harm, or any great
moral danger to our society)." - Nizkor Director Ken McVay
http://www.spectacle.org/695/mcvay.html [Many paedophiles
also have family albums with naked children photos in them.]
Look at Ken McVay's photo and ask yourselves; "Does he not look like
a disheveled unkempt pervert or someone who would molest your child
even if he or she were not naked"?
http://www.protocol.gov.bc.ca/protocol/prgs/obc/1995/1995_KMcVay.jpg
For detailed and documented evidence of McVay's questionable
background and details of convictions, please refer to Dr.David
Michael's
detailed expose on McVay. McVay is a distraught paranoid molseter, and
is
known for claiming that anyone who refutes his lies must be a
grosvenor!!
It is also suspected that McVay fabricates responses using aliases,
just
to justify his existence to his ZHID masters.
Since I am a female, I also like to receive many calls, to discuss
NAMBLA,lesbianism, JEW atrocities and similar.
Email me, Shiksa Susan Cohen at: Flavia18@verizon.net, especially
late nights.
Also,be sure to include me on maillists:
Keith Spencer,5005 Whitemud Road,Edmonton,AB,Canada T6H5L2
I welcome phone calls, late nights:(780)437-1787 or
send lots of emails to: krs2@ualberta.ca, or phone to
work:(780)492-0473
And also: George Firestone: "George" <firestone@hemisphere.com>,
and davejoll@ihug.co.nz.
Here is Fag Rianin's own web page: http://gaydar.co.uk/riain_il
Notice he is a self confessed ZionistFagJew!
For the real TRUTH about ZHIDS, visit the world top-rated website for
JEW-WATCH:
http://www.jewwatch.com
Now with more evidence coming out proving ZHID COLLABORATION WITH
NAZIS - another 51 cases besides the renowned Kastner case - no wonder
people around the world are really disliking the Christkiller ZHIDS!!
Or, other useful websites include:
ZUNDELSITE - www.zundelsite.org
IHR - www.ihr.org
OSTARA - www.ostara.org
PAMYAT - http://abbc.com/pamyat/index.html
Edgar J.Steele - www.ConspiracyPenPal.com
AL JAZEERA - http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
THE HOFFMAN WIRE - Dedicated to Freedom of the Press,
Investigative Reporting and Revisionist History
Subscribe: HoffmanWire-subscribe@topica.com
Or, visit the website for NATIONAL ALLIANCE : http://www.natall.com
They have lots of information, as well as books and records.
They also are involved in exposing Ken McVay for the crook he is,
and passing on information to the appropriate criminal prosecutors.
As a service to the public, this article is posted worldwide by a
victim of the molester pervert Ken McVay, with the assistance
of a group interested in detailing the depredations of the ZHIDS.
May Ken McVay and his like,rot in gehenna.
In memory of William Grosvenor who courageously posted the TRUTH
for many years around the world.
Reply-To: "George"
<firestone@hemisphere.com>,<firestone@bellsouth.net>
or to Ariadne@mac.hush.com, or Ariadne.mac@gmail.com
Feel free to subscribe us to maillists for sex, homosexuals and the
like.
~~
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TOPIC: A museum in Amsterdam has obtained previously unseen letters written by
Anne Frank.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/cf7e7f35cb24a7b9
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 10:43 pm
From: "captain."
<flush>
wtf does your extended anti-semitic rant have to do with anne frank?
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TOPIC: World War III NEWS, Thursday, April 6th, 2006 AD....Iran Test-Fires '
Top Secret' Missile
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/266a576f7ab70c68
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 11:01 pm
From: "Krib"
<drmabusa@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1145140370.617150.211800@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> ah, poor Krib......Hurts that are you just a puny worm who made the
> FATAL ERROR of questioning Nostradamus?
LOL no, why would discussing your stupidity hurt? pointing out your lies
and errors has nothing to do with Nostradamus anyway.
You dodged the questions again though didn't you brain damage, you always
run away from the facts so at least anyone else stupid enough to read
our posts can see you're always full of shit ;0)
--
krib
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 3:57 pm
From: "drmabusa@gmail.com"
you don't seem to UNDERSTAND the POINT.....
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 11:17 pm
From: "Krib"
<drmabusa@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1145141871.894299.170160@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> you don't seem to UNDERSTAND the POINT.....
You don't have one, you don't even deal in reality, you are pointless.
Seems a shame they let you insane fuckers out to inflict your lunacy
on the world but then why not we need a laugh. ;0)
--
krib
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TOPIC: Government Goons Murder Puppies
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d5d011b0e073077d
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 7:01 pm
From: Topquark
Reason
April 2006
Government Goons Murder Puppies!
The drug war goes to the dogs.
by Radley Balko
<selections>
http://www.reason.com/0604/co.rb.rant.shtml
In the course of researching paramilitary drug raids, I've found some
pretty disturbing stuff. There was a case where a SWAT officer stepped
on a baby's head while looking for drugs in a drop ceiling. There was
one where an 11-year-old boy was shot at point-blank range [In the
back--TQ]. Police have broken down doors, screamed obscenities, and held
innocent people at gunpoint only to discover that what they thought were
marijuana plants were really sunflowers, hibiscus, ragweed, tomatoes, or
elderberry bushes. (It's happened with all five.)
Yet among hundreds of botched raids, the ones that get me most worked up
are the ones where the SWAT officers shoot and kill the family dog.
..
One of the most appalling cases occurred in Maricopa County, Arizona,
the home of Joe Arpaio, self-proclaimed "toughest sheriff in America."
In 2004 one of Arpaio's SWAT teams conducted a bumbling raid in a
Phoenix suburb. Among other weapons, it used tear gas and an armored
personnel carrier that later rolled down the street and smashed into a
car. The operation ended with the targeted home in flames and exactly
one suspect in custody -- for outstanding traffic violations.
But for all that, the image that sticks in your head, as described by
John Dougherty in the alternative weekly Phoenix New Times, is that of a
puppy trying to escape the fire and a SWAT officer chasing him back into
the burning building with puffs from a fire extinguisher. The dog burned
to death.
In a massive 1998 raid at a San Francisco housing co-op, cops shot a
family dog in front of its family, then dragged it outside and shot it
again.
When police in Fremont, California, raided the home of medical marijuana
patient Robert Filgo, they shot his pet Akita nine times. Filgo himself
was never charged.
Last October police in Alabama raided a home on suspicion of marijuana
possession, shot and killed both family dogs, then joked about the kill
in front of the family. They seized eight grams of marijuana, equal in
weight to a ketchup packet.
In January a cop en route to a drug raid in Tampa, Florida, took a short
cut across a neighboring lawn and shot the neighbor's two pooches on his
way. And last May, an officer in Syracuse, New York, squeezed off
several shots at a family dog during a drug raid, one of which
ricocheted and struck a 13-year-old boy in the leg. The boy was
handcuffed at gunpoint at the time.
..
Radley Balko is a policy analyst with the Cato Institute.
http://www.reason.com/0604/co.rb.rant.shtml
--
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 11:21 pm
From: "Bo Raxo"
"Topquark" <nospam@aol.com> wrote in message
news:z8WdndWcouH25tzZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@rcn.net...
>
> In a massive 1998 raid at a San Francisco housing co-op, cops shot a
> family dog in front of its family, then dragged it outside and shot it
> again.
>
I remember this incident, and the above depiction is ludicrous. A little
googling for the details...
This was at a federal housing project, not a co-op,in the Western Addition;
the writer's confusion comes from the Martin Luther King Jr./Marcus Garvey
Cooperative. That dog wasn't a family pet, any more than the apartment was a
family's home, it was used by a gang known as the Knock Out Posse as a
storefront. The dog was a pit bull, and the raid was on an apartment that
was being used to sell large quantities of illegal drugs. The police had
been running surveillance on the place, and already were wary of that dog.
To give you an idea of the size of the operation, the raid netted a pound
of pot and a quarter of a pound of crack. They arrested 11 people in that
apartment when the bust went down, and between them they had seven pistols.
Source:
http://www.sfbg.com/News/33/07/Features/cops.html
Rather a different light than the innocuous little sentence above, eh?
Bonus points: while you're whining about some dead pet, I guess it doesn't
bother you quite so much when actual human beings get killed, in these same
raids. Your post cited a story of a baby getting it's head stepped on and
crushed, and yet it's the story of the *dog* that sticks in your mind?
Guess you've had a little more experience with puppies than babies, and
don't have much imagination. How sad.
The very same year of this incident you cite, here in the same city of San
Francisco, a drug bust went bad in which the SFPD 17 year old Sheila Detoy.
You want to lament a useless death by police making a drug bust, here you
go:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/examiner/archive/1998/11/13/NEWS1911.dtl
Bit sadder than some drug dealer's pet getting shot during the bust, don't
you think?
Bo Raxo
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TOPIC: The Videotape Recorder Turns 50
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/66386290480d314c
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 4:03 pm
From: ANIM8Rfsk
in article zGtBRAXMcKnRRSp3LbYXZLGCxqTi@4ax.com, Nimrod `` at
rodnim9@nod.com wrote on 4/15/06 2:58 PM:
> On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 20:52:34 GMT, "Steven L."
> <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:
>
>> Joe Gillis wrote:
>>> http://tvtechnology.com/features/news/2006.04.12-n_the_video_tape_02.shtml
>>>
>>> The Videotape Recorder Turns 50
>>>
>>> Routine NAB preview event showcased revolutionary technology
>>>
>>> by James E. O'Neal
>>>
>>> The Ampex video recorder is unveiled at the NARTB show in Chicago,
>>> April 14, 1956.
>>
>> Obviously the Ampex design was so big and expensive that only
>> corporations could afford it. And like audio tape recorders, you had to
>> struggle with clumsily threading big reels of tape.
>>
>> For consumers, the big breakthrough was made by Sony, who developed the
>> first consumer-oriented Video *Cassette* Recorder, VCR. An early
>> prototype of the Sony VCR was demonstrated at the 1964-65 New York
>> World's Fair.
>
> Then they shot themselves in the foot by refusing to allow open use of
> their Beta cassette design....insisting on being paid for its use by
> video distributors, forcing the distributors to throw their weight
> behind the inferior VHS cassette and dooming the Sony Betamax. We
> would have had smaller cassettes with better picture and sound
> reproduction until DVD came along if Sony hadn't been so hard-nosed
> and greedy.
>
>
> N``
That's part of it, but they had major problems at the sales end. Salesmen
would get kickbacks from a sale of a VHS or a Beta unit, but the VHS spiff
was right then, and a known amount. The Beta spiff came at the end of the
year as a bonus, and the amount varied depending on everybody's total sales.
Sony wanted happy team employees working together long term, and the VHS
model was for people who wanted money NOW and didn't figure they'd be
working at the store in 6 weeks. Guess which type FredRated employeed? So
you go into the store, and you know what the salesman is going to tell you
to buy.
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 7:07 pm
From: edonline
On 15 Apr 2006 12:09:42 -0700, "Joe Gillis"
<FloatingInThePool@hotmail.com> wrote:
>http://tvtechnology.com/features/news/2006.04.12-n_the_video_tape_02.shtml
>
>The Videotape Recorder Turns 50
>
>Routine NAB preview event showcased revolutionary technology
>
>by James E. O'Neal
>
>The Ampex video recorder is unveiled at the NARTB show in Chicago,
>April 14, 1956.
>
<snip>
And the first thing they probably did was look for some good porno to
record...
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 4:17 pm
From: ANIM8Rfsk
in article a4v2421q4dcqqof9j2c9co3mh3410pt9vr@4ax.com, edonline at
edonlineSPAMOUT!@comcast.net wrote on 4/15/06 4:07 PM:
> On 15 Apr 2006 12:09:42 -0700, "Joe Gillis"
> <FloatingInThePool@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> http://tvtechnology.com/features/news/2006.04.12-n_the_video_tape_02.shtml
>>
>> The Videotape Recorder Turns 50
>>
>> Routine NAB preview event showcased revolutionary technology
>>
>> by James E. O'Neal
>>
>> The Ampex video recorder is unveiled at the NARTB show in Chicago,
>> April 14, 1956.
>>
> <snip>
>
> And the first thing they probably did was look for some good porno to
> record...
Hmm. I suspect porn on a source you could record with a VCR was in short
supply in 1956.
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TOPIC: men in uniform in iraq
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/bf05dc1d5418122b
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 4:17 pm
From: "SHIT THE DUMB JURK"
BabaTurk-2 wrote:
> "Alistair Sim" wrote
> >
> > With all the soldiers serving in the Middle East, our resident
> <snip>
>
> Cool, man!
what ?
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TOPIC: Too late on global warming?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/4df8d16eee15557
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 4:18 pm
From: info@economicdemocracy.org
"up to 64 per cent of China's glaciers may be gone by 2050. If that
happens, the lives of 300 million Chinese, who depend on the glaciers
for water, will be at risk."
Too late on global warming?
Apr. 15, 2006. 01:00 AM
CAMERON SMITH
Has climate change pushed the world past its tipping point - the
stage at which melting of the Greenland ice cap becomes irreversible
and oceans eventually rise 6.5 metres?
Earlier this month, Time magazine announced on its cover that it had,
but the text of the story said only that it was near.
On the other hand, The Independent, one of England's major newspapers,
stated unequivocally two months ago that the tipping point had been
passed and "really dangerous climate change is likely to be
unstoppable." The Independent's position was based on research that it
had commissioned.
And then there's the opinion of James Hansen, NASA's chief climate
scientist, who courageously defied a White House attempt to gag him
earlier this year because his statements were contradicting positions
taken by President George W. Bush.
Hansen says: "We are getting close to the tipping point." The average
temperature has risen almost half a degree Celsius over the past 30
years, he says. Another half-a-degree rise is inevitable because of
greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, and the fossil-fuel burning
equipment already in place will add yet another half a degree.
This will make the world the warmest it has been in the past million
years, he says in a Time article. The world can adapt to the increase,
he adds, but unless emissions are slowed in this decade, and
substantially reduced in the next 45 years, the situation will become
impossible.
"Business as usual will yield warming of six to nine degrees Fahrenheit
(2.8C to 4.25C)," he says. "The last time it was five degrees
Fahrenheit warmer than now, the sea level was at least 80 feet (24.4
metres) higher."
Already, officials in other countries are expressing deep concern.
Agence France Presse quotes the director of the Institute of Tibetan
Plateau Research at the Chinese Academy of Sciences as noting that up
to 64 per cent of China's glaciers may be gone by 2050. If that
happens, the lives of 300 million Chinese, who depend on the glaciers
for water, will be at risk.
In England, the Labour government has announced that its policies for
fighting climate change have failed, and an all-party parliamentary
group is going to hold a climate change inquiry to examine proposals to
severely regulate carbon dioxide emissions.
Colin Challen, chairman of the parliamentary group, says that the
current concept of growth, which hasn't significantly changed since
Victorian times, needs to be radically altered. Growth should be
governed by how much CO{-2} society can afford to emit, he says.
Here at home, a different kind of alarm has been rung. Global warming
can be a greater threat than deforestation to species in some of the
world's most important habitats, according to a study led by professor
Jay R. Malcolm of the University of Toronto's Faculty of Forestry, and
published this week in Conservation Biology (Vol. 20, No. 2, pages
538-548). Unless curbed, climate change could eliminate up to 56,000
species of plants and 3,700 species of vertebrates, the study says.
Whether the tipping point is past, or simply near, is almost academic,
because it's clear that either way there'll be an enormous need to
avoid the worst - by curbing emissions and by learning to adapt to
what can't be avoided.
Unfortunately, Prime Minister Stephen Harper's laissez-faire approach
to coping - relying basically on voluntary efforts and technology
changes - doesn't inspire much confidence.
It's a Victorian concept, if there ever was one.
Cameron Smith can be reached at camsmith@kingston.net.
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1144965013472&call_pageid=968332188774&col=968350116467
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TOPIC: H O L O H O A X
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/4c8533fbeb4404a7
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 7:25 pm
From: "serwad"
"captain." <spammersmustdie@now.net> wrote in message
news:nle0g.55188$K11.49067@clgrps12...
> do you think that is funny?
>
I went through the Holohoax period and have personally suffered more than
any fucking Jew, and I am sick and tired of their moans and groans. Yes it
is funny!
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TOPIC: Anything That Could Possibly Go Wrong in Singapore!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6fff44b0b7af73c4
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 4:29 pm
From: "LDL"
<mettas_mother1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1145103721.945440.234270@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> It is a very popularly accepted concept in Science!! :
> Anything that could go wrong will one day will go wrong!
>
> Likewise is it possible for PAP to die? Yes it is!
> So is singapore willing to get caught off guard?
>
> Singaporeans should be smart and put in place at least
> a two party system or at least allow the existence of
> politicians in parliament! If not when PAP dies there
> would be no credible poiticians to take over!!!
>
> ------------------
> Singapore is full of evil laws!
> Capital and Corporal Punishments are examples of evil laws!
> Prostitution and Gambling are examples of evil laws!
> Extortion in the forms of unfair taxes, administration fees, fines
> and unpaid national service are examples of evil laws!
>
> That what happens when you vote for PAP!
> Vote for PAP and get only new LIFTS!
> But vote for opposition and get a NEW PRIME MINISTER!
> SYLVIA LIM for Prime Minister.
> It is about time that Singapore got a Female Prime Minister!
> Help get rid of EVIL Laws!
> Vote for the New Prime Minister!
> Vote for Sylvia Lim!
>
> Lee Kuan Yew promised the following in the Proclamation of Singapore
> which is registered with the United Nations:
>
> Now I LEE KUAN YEW Prime Minister of Singapore, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM AND
> DECLARE on behalf of the people and the Government of Singapore that as
>
>
> from today the ninth day of August in the year one thousand nine
> hundred and sixty-five Singapore shall be forever a sovereign
> democratic and independent nation, founded upon the principles of
> liberty and justice and ever seeking the welfare and happiness of her
> people in a more just and equal society.
>
> (Signed) LEE KUAN YEW Prime Minister of Singapore
> Dated the 9th day of August, 1965.
> _____________________
>
> Till now Singapore and the government is not ever seeking the welfare
> and happiness of singaporeans in a more just and equal society.
>
> I wonder where is Democracy?
> I wonder where is Liberty?
> I wonder where is Justice?
> I wonder where is Welfare?
> I wonder where is Happiness?
> I wonder where is Equality?
> I wonder where and when is Independence from PAP?
There is a place in Singapore called "Speaker's Corner" which on the corner
of Bridge Road and Havelock Street Chinatown district in Singapore. It is
always empty so instead in complaining to Australia about Singapore's
internal problems - go there with your soap box.
Speakers is supposed to be similar to London's Hyde Park.
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TOPIC: Wal Mart to stop gun sales in a third of it's US stores
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/3cb577d6ca5d903e
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 6:27 pm
From: "RD (The Sandman)"
"The Lone Weasel" <loneweasel@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1145125488.985137.165300@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
> Sandslurper said:
>
> People discuss self defense as if you have as much time to do it in as
> they have to discuss it. In reality, you have a flash to identify the
> threat and react. Whether or not you actually pull the trigger is
> something that you have a microsecond to decide and a lifetime
> to live with.
No, I didn't. Failing to read attributes again, eh, fat boy?
> The Lone Weasel said:
>
> You idiots can't even figure out the Second Amendment when you have all
> the historical and legal information freely available - why the hell
> should anybody trust you with split-second decisions?
Because under certain conditions one cannot wait all day. I realize that
speed is not one of your assets.......I am not even sure what is...
--
Sleep well tonight.........RD (The Sandman)
http://home.comcast.net/~rdsandman
People discuss self defense as if you have as much time to do it in as
they have to discuss it. In reality, you have a flash to identify the
threat and react. Whether or not you actually pull the trigger is
something that you have a microsecond to decide and a lifetime
to live with.
Mort.....2006
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TOPIC: Milan Prosecutor Presses Hunt for CIA Kidnappers
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/08df5ff85732e7a9
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 4:30 pm
From: NY.Transfer.News@blythe.org
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Milan Prosecutor Presses Hunt for CIA Kidnappers
Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit
[Last week, Berlusconi tried to quash the extradition requests for
the CIA agents who operated illegally in Italy, kidnapping people
and transporting them to be tortured in other countries. The Italian
prosecutor has announced he pressing ahead with the extradition case,
despite Berlusconi's last-minute attempt to close it down.-NY Transfer]
Prensa Latina, Havana
http://www.plenglish.com
Milan Wants CIA Agents Extradited
Rome, Apr 15 (Prensa Latina) The Milan, Italy prosecutor´s office said
it will press ahead for the extradition of Central Intelligence agents
that operated illegally in Italy.
The CIA agents were apparently involved in the 2003 kidnapping of
terror suspect Egyptian Iman Asan Mustafa Osama Nasr, alias Abu Omar,
from Milan and his transfer to Cairo through Germany.
The media gave the case broad coverage in 2005 amid denouncements of
secret CIA flights and prisons in third countries when Abu Omar
denounced that he was tortured by his guards.
Milan Prosecutor Armando Spataro, in charge of the probe into CIA
covert operations in Italy, said he will confirm the extradition
request to the government taking office in May.
The request, made last December along with 22 INTERPOL arrest
warrants, prompted the resignation of Justice Minister Roberto
Castelli.
The European Parliament is also investigating illegal CIA actions and
subversion in Europe.
Italian Intelligence Director Nicolo Pollari said he was unaware of
the CIA activities in Italy and that he learned of Abu Omar's
abduction through the press.
Pollari claimed that secret services from third countries, even the
US, circulate throughout Europe without supervision and absolute
impunity.
European Council General Secretary Terry Davis revealed in Strasbourg,
France, that one of its 46 member countries handed in terror suspects
to the CIA.
In November Davis set a three-month deadline to submit information on
the suspected CIA network of secret prisons in Europe for alleged
Al-Qaeda members.
Davis' spokesman Matjas Gruden said the information will be released
in two weeks.
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TOPIC: Berlusconi a Sore Loser in Italy
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Berlusconi a Sore Loser in Italy
Rome, Apr 15 (Prensa Latina) Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi
refuses to be defeated and pushed Saturday for a power-sharing deal
with his center-left rivals, the legislative election winner.
In a letter addressed to Corriere Della Sera newspaper, Berlusconi
questioned the triumph by Romano Prodi´s Union coalition, repeated
that the election had produced neither winner nor loser and insisted
on working together.
Wednesday, the Interior Ministry announced the official electoral
results, where the Union won 158 seats in the Senate and 342 at the
Chamber of Deputies while Berlusconi´s House of Freedoms alliance got
156 senators and 281 deputies.
The outgoing Prime Minister has been demanding vote recounts which
have not helped and Prodi, noting his majority, has asked Berlusconi
to recognize his victory and go home.
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TOPIC: Neil Young Records "Impeach Bush" song
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Neil Young: Music Against Bush
New York, Apr 14 (Prensa Latina) Neil Young, one of the mythical 1969
Woodstock Festival´s artists, has composed a critical song against US
President George W. Bush entitled "Impeach the President".
According to Editor and Publisher magazine, the former member of
"Crosby, Still, Nash and Young" recorded the theme accompanied by a
100-voice chorus and will include it in his next album "Living with
War", expected to be on sale in six or eight weeks.
Some participants described the recording sessions as "a 12-hour march
for peace"
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TOPIC: NonAligned Movement Mtg Preparations Underway
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Preparations Underway for Non Aligned Movement
United Nations, Apr 15 (Prensa Latina) The Coordination Bureau of the
Non Aligned Countries Movement (NAM) began a process of consultation
on Friday in preparation for the Ministerial Conference to be held in
Putrajaya, Malaysia, in May.
NAM sources indicated that the delegation of Malaysia, current
president of the movement grouping 114 underdeveloped countries,
presented the first version of the final document so that country
members can hold consultations to agree upon the text to be discussed
and approved at the Putrajaya meeting.
Malaysia spokespersons said Kuala Lumpur wants the final declaration
for the Foreign Ministerial Conference to be brief, concise,
action-oriented and not redundant, while reaffirming long-standing
positions.
The agenda of Putrajaya includes a meeting of experts May 27-28 and a
meeting of Foreign ministers May 29-30, which will be the last
gathering before the Summit of Heads of State and Government scheduled
to be held in Havana, Cuba, in September.
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TOPIC: Lebanon Wants Bush to Help Oust Israeli Occupation
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Lebanese PM to seek Bush's help
By Nadim Ladki
BEIRUT (Reuters) - Lebanon's prime minister said on Saturday he would ask
President George W. Bush next week to put pressure on Israel to pull out of
a border strip to enable his government to extend its authority over all
Lebanese land.
Fouad Siniora, a member of Lebanon's anti-Syrian majority coalition, will
meet Bush in Washington on Tuesday. He is expected to hold talks with other
U.S. officials before meeting U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan in New York.
"We would expect the United States to extend its real support to Lebanon and
this would help Lebanon to re-emphasize and reconfirm its sovereignty and
its independence," Siniora told Reuters in an interview at his office in
central Beirut.
"This would allow the government to maintain its role in the region as a
beacon of democracy."
Lebanon says the Israeli-occupied border area of Shebaa Farms is Lebanese
territory and Israel's 2000 pullout from south Lebanon was incomplete -- a
claim that has allowed Hizbollah guerrillas to continue to launch sporadic
attacks on Israeli forces there.
Israel and the United Nations say Shebaa is Syrian. Siniora said he would
push through Beirut's claim that it was Lebanese during his talks in
Washington and New York.
"I'm going to present to President Bush our case... Israel has to withdraw
from the Shebaa Farms and has to stop violating our airspace and water," the
prime minister said.
This was essential if the Lebanese government was "to become the sole
monopoly of holding weapons in the country" and would help Lebanese reach a
consensus on how to defend their country, he said.
U.S. SUPPORT
The United States played a pivotal role in pushing Syria into withdrawing
from Lebanon a year ago, two months after the assassination of former
Lebanese Prime Minister Rafik al-Hariri.
Washington has repeatedly expressed support for Siniora's government, formed
last year after the anti-Syrian coalition won the first general election in
30 years without direct Syrian meddling.
But in recent months the anti-Syrian forces in Lebanon appeared to be on the
back foot with international attention diverted to rising tension over
developments in Iraq and Iran.
"Very important as well is to seek the support of President Bush so that
Lebanon will not become in any way a ball in the courtyard of others or
Lebanon to become a courtyard for others' confrontations in the region,"
Siniora said.
Lebanon's rival leaders are engaged in a "national dialogue" aimed at
resolving the country's political crisis, the worst since the end of the
1975-1990 civil war.
One key issue is the disarming of Hizbollah, which is supported by Syria and
Iran. The Shi'ite Muslim group says its weapons are still required to
liberate Shebaa Farms and to defend Lebanon against any Israeli threats.
A U.N. Security Council resolution in 2004 demanded the disarming of all
militias in Lebanon. A U.N. envoy is following up the implementation of the
resolution and a U.N. inquiry is investigating Hariri's killing.
The Hariri inquiry has implicated Lebanese and Syrian officials in the
murder. Syria has denied any links.
Siniora said he would discuss with Annan the "real progress" being made on
setting up an international tribunal to try suspects in the Hariri murder
and how Lebanon could get the United Nations to recognize that Shebaa was
Lebanese.
U.N. officials say Syria must come forward and officially notify the United
Nations that Shebaa is Lebanese territory.
Siniora said Syrian officials had not yet set a date for him to visit
Damascus to discuss this and establish diplomatic ties, a step he said would
benefit both countries.
(Additional reporting by Alaa Shahine)
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TOPIC: Bolivia demands back taxes from oil companies
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Bolivia demands back taxes from oil corporations
MercoPress
Bolivia is claiming 40 million US dollars in back taxes from oil
corporations, a sum which could jump to 200 million US dollars if fines and
administrative costs are included, said Wednesday an official source from
the Bolivian government.
Lower courts have ruled favourably but oil corporations have appealed to the
Supreme Court, said Emigdio Caceres, head of the Bolivian Internal Revenue
Service. "Let's hope they are favourable to the government because it will
benefit the country. We're talking of 40 million US dollars", said Caceres
following a meeting with Hydrocarbons minister Andres Soliz Rada.
Caceres and Soliz Rada met to consider how the Internal Revenue Service is
to monitor oil corporations as part of the reforms being planned with the
ultimate goal of nationalizing the hydrocarbons industry. The idea is to
closely follow operations along the line from the oil and natural gas
deposits, distribution and end consumers.
Meantime a government spokesman advanced that "very soon" President Evo
Morales will reveal a national development plan with the purpose of
dismantling "colonialism and neo-liberalism" which will include
nationalization of hydrocarbons and a "drastic" reform of the mining regime.
Planning minister Carlos Villegas said that "on the one hand we want to
dismantle all the structure mounted since the arrival of the Spaniards in
Bolivia (five centuries ago) and which consolidated in the republic, a true
expression of colonialism. Furthermore we want to dismantle the neo liberal
(economic) architecture built over the last twenty years".
Regarding hydrocarbons, "President Morales very soon will be making a public
announcement with contents of the nationalization draft", added Mr.
Villegas.
International oil corporations which dominate the industry in Bolivia have
complained bitterly that the government hasn't announced or given clues as
to how "nationalization will work, which does not necessarily mean
expropriation", according to President Morales words.
"It'll be a gradual process. We don't want extreme or abrupt measures, or
shocks which only generate uncertainty", insisted Mr. Villegas who
underlined that the purpose of the new rules is "government control over
hydrocarbons plus recovering the financial surpluses".
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TOPIC: The Israeli Election & The "Demographic Problem"
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The Israeli election and the 'demographic problem'
by Ilan Pappe
April 7, 2006
From left to right, the manifestos of all the Zionist parties during the
recent Israeli election campaign contained policies which they claimed
would counter the b?~demographic problem' posed by the Palestinian
presence in Israel. Ariel Sharon proposed the pull-out from Gaza as the
best solution to it; the leaders of the Labour Party endorsed the wall
because they believed it was the best way of limiting the number of
Palestinians inside Israel. Extra-parliamentary groups, too, such as the
Geneva Accord movement, Peace Now, the Council for Peace and Security,
Ami Ayalon's Census group and the Mizrachi Democratic Rainbow all claim
to know how to tackle it.
Apart from the ten members of the Palestinian parties and two eccentric
Ashkenazi ultra-Orthodox Jews, all the members of the new Knesset (there
are 120 in all) arrived promising that their magic formulae would solve
the b?~demographic problem'. The means varied from reducing Israeli
control over the Occupied Territories -- in fact, the plans put forward
by Labour, Kadima, Shas (the Sephardic Orthodox party) and Gil (the
pensioners' party) would involve Israeli withdrawal from only 50 per cent
of these territories -- to more drastic action. Right-wing parties such
as Yisrael Beytenu, the Russian ethnic party of Avigdor Liberman, and the
religious parties argued for a voluntary transfer of Palestinians to the
West Bank. In short, the Zionist answer is to reduce the problem either
by giving up territory or by shrinking the b?~problematic' population
group.
None of this is new. The population problem was identified as the major
obstacle in the way of Zionist fulfilment in the late 19th century, and
David Ben- Gurion said in December 1947 that b?~there can be no stable
and strong Jewish state so long as it has a Jewish majority of only 60
per cent.' Israel, he warned on the same occasion, would have to deal
with this b?~severe' problem with b?~a new approach'. The following year,
ethnic cleansing meant that the number of Palestinians dropped below 20
per cent of the Jewish state's overall population (in the area allocated
to Israel by the UN plus the area it occupied in 1948, the Palestinians
would originally have made up around 60 per cent of the population).
Interestingly, but not surprisingly, in December 2003 Binyamin Netanyahu
recycled Ben-Gurion's magic number -- the undesirable 60 per cent. b?~If
the Arabs in Israel form 40 per cent of the population,' Netanyahu said,
b?~this is the end of the Jewish state.' b?~But 20 per cent is also a
problem,' he added. b?~If the relationship with these 20 per cent is
problematic, the state is entitled to employ extreme measures.' He did
not elaborate.
Israel boosted its population with two massive Jewish immigrations, each
of about a million people, in 1949 and in the 1980s. This kept the
Palestinian proportion of the population down and today Palestinians
account for nearly 20 per cent of the population of Israel (not counting
the Occupied Territories). Ehud Olmert, the leader of Kadima and acting
prime minister, thinks that if Israel stays in the Occupied Territories
and its inhabitants are included in the Israeli population, Palestinians
will outnumber Jews within 15 years. So he advocates hitkansut -- meaning
b?~convergence' or, better, b?~ingathering' -- a policy that would leave
several populous Palestinian areas outside direct Israeli control. But
even if this consolidation takes place, there will still be a very large
Palestinian population inside the 88 per cent of Palestine in which
Olmert hopes to build the future, stable Jewish state. How large exactly
we don't know: demographers in Israel belonging to the centre or the left
provide a low estimate, which makes disengagement seem a reasonable
solution, while those on the right tend to exaggerate the figure. But
they all seem to agree that the demographic balance will not stay the
same, given the higher birth-rate of Palestinians compared to Jews. Thus
Olmert may well come to the conclusion that pull- outs are not the
solution.
Once the b?~Arabs' in Israel and the Palestinians in the Occupied
Territories came to be thought of in the West as b?~Muslims' it was easy
to elicit support for Israel's demographic policies, at least where it
counted: on Capitol Hill. But even in Europe there was no need, after
9/11, to explain why Israel has a b?~demographic problem'. On 2 February
2003 the popular daily Maariv carried a typical headline: b?~A quarter of
the children in Israel are Muslims.' The piece went on to describe this
fact as Israel's next b?~ticking bomb'. The increase in the b?~Muslim'
population -- 2.4 per cent a year -- was not a problem anymore, but a
b?~danger'.
In the run-up to the election, pundits discussed this question using
language akin to that employed in Europe and the United States in debates
over immigration. Here, however, it is the immigrant community that
decides the future of the indigenous population, not vice versa. On 7
February 1948, after driving to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv and seeing the
first villages that had been emptied of Palestinians on the western
outskirts of Jerusalem, a jubilant Ben-Gurion reported to a gathering of
Zionist leaders: b?~When I come nowadays to Jerusalem I feel it is a
Hebrew city. This was a feeling I only had in farms and in Tel Aviv. Not
all Jerusalem is Hebraic but there is already a huge Hebraic bloc -- no
Arabs in it. One hundred per cent Jewish. If we can persevere,'
Ben-Gurion added, this miracle will happen elsewhere.
But despite their perseverance, a sizable community of Palestinians
remained. They are students at my university, where they attend lectures
by professors who talk about the grave demographic problem. Palestinian
law students -- the lucky ones who constitute an informal quota -- in the
Hebrew University may well come across Ruth Gabison, a former head of the
Association for Civil Rights and a candidate for the Supreme Court, who
has come out recently with strong views on the subject, views that
probably seem to her to reflect a consensus. b?~Israel has the right to
control Palestinian natural growth,' she has declared.
Away from the campuses, these students can't escape the knowledge that
they are seen as a problem. Whether from the Zionist left or the hard
right, they hear daily that Jewish society is longing to get rid of them.
And they will worry, and rightly so, whenever they hear they have become
a b?~danger'. While still only a problem they are protected by a certain
pretence to democracy and liberalism. Once they constitute a danger,
however, they could be faced with emergency policies based on the British
Mandate's emergency regulations. Houses could be demolished, newspapers
shut down and people expelled under such a regime.
The 2006 elections have brought to the Knesset a solid coalition
determined to deal with the demographic problem: first and foremost, by
disengaging from more of the West Bank; and second, by completing the
network of walls around the rest of the Palestinian areas. The border
between Israel and the West Bank is 370 kilometres long, but the
serpentine wall will be double that length, and will strangle large
Palestinian communities. In the Palestinian areas within Israel,
segregation is ensured by construction programmes approved when Sharon
was minister of national infrastructures: Jewish settlements overlook and
encircle large Palestinian areas such as Wadi Ara and Lower Galilee.
On 31 July 2003, the Knesset passed a law prohibiting Palestinians from
obtaining citizenship, permanent residency or even temporary residency
when they marry Israeli citizens. The initiator of the legislation was a
liberal Zionist, Avraham Poraz of the centrist party Shinui. He described
it as a b?~defence measure'. Only 25 members of the Knesset opposed it
and Poraz declared that those already married and with families b?~will
have to go to the West Bank', regardless of how long they had been living
in Israel.
The Arab members of the Knesset were among those who appealed to the
Supreme Court against this racist law. When the Supreme Court turned down
the appeal, their energy petered out. The Arab members come from three
parties: the Communist Party (Hadash), the National Party of Azmi Bishara
(Balad) and the United Arab List drawn up by the more pragmatic branch of
the Islamic movement. The Supreme Court ruling made clear their
irrelevance, in the eyes of both the parliamentary and judicial systems.
We're always told that Palestinians should be pleased to live in the only
democracy in the region, to have the right to vote, but that vote brings
no power.
In the dead of night on 24 January this year, an elite unit of the border
police seized the Israeli Palestinian village of Jaljulya. The troops
burst into houses, dragging out 36 women and eventually deporting eight
of them. The women were ordered to go to their old homes in the West
Bank. Some had been married for years to Palestinians in Jaljulya, some
were pregnant, many had children, but the soldiers were demonstrating to
the Israeli public that when a demographic problem becomes a danger, the
state will act swiftly and without hesitation. One Palestinian member of
the Knesset protested, but the action was backed by the government, the
courts and the media.
The ten members of the new Knesset from Palestinian parties will not be
included in any coalition and will probably be sidelined and forgotten,
as they were in the previous parliament (there are two other Arab members
and two Druze members from Labour and Kadima). Haaretz sent a journalist
to live for a few days in the b?~Arab areas' in order to write -- as an
anthropological tourist -- on the Palestinians' reaction to the
elections. Apart from this piece of reportage, the Israeli media had
nothing to say about how the Palestinians voted. After all, they are the
problem, not the solution. And if disengagement doesn't b?~stop' the
growth in their numbers the Jaljulya operation could show the future.
No wonder many Palestinians now want the international community to
intervene. But Israel ignored the ruling of the international court on
the wall, and is unlikely to be moved by what it will see as interference
in its internal affairs. There is another call coming, still hesitant,
although it will grow in volume: a call for the creation of an autonomous
parliament for the Palestinians in Israel. In a world that has
marginalised this community twice over -- both in the overall Palestinian
polity and within Jewish society -- the 1,300,000 Palestinian citizens of
Israel have very little to lose by shunning the Knesset and opting for
autonomy. Who knows, they may even convince the Jewish majority that they
are b?~only' a problem, not a danger.
7 April
[Ilan Pappe is a senior lecturer at the University of Haifa. His most
recent books are A History of Modern Palestine and The Modern MiddleEast.]
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TOPIC: What happened? Historic events for April 16-22
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What happened? Historic events, trivia, ephemera & milestones
for the week of April 16-22
April 16-22:
April 16, 1844: Anatole France born
April 16, 1862: District of Columbia abolishes slavery
April 16, 1889: Charles Chaplin born
April 16, 1917: Lenin returns to Russia, foments revolution
April 16, 1919: Merce Cunningham born
April 16, 1935: First radio broadcast of "Fibber McGee & Molly"
April 16, 1943: Albert Hofmann leaves work due to "a remarkable
restlessness" and "dizziness" and later experiences "a
"stream of fantastic pictures, extraordinary shapes" and
"intense...colors."
April 16, 1987: FCC imposes indecency doctrine
April 17, 1194: Richard the Lion Hearted returns to England
April 17, 1521: Martin Luther excommunicated
April 17, 1810: Pineapple cheese patented
April 17, 1894: Nikita Khrushchev born
April 17, 1947: Jackie Robinson gets his first major league hit, a bunt
April 17, 1953: Mickey Mantle hits a 565 foot home run
April 17, 1961: Bay of Pigs invasion
April 17, 1965: First mass demonstration against Vietnam War; 20,000+
gather in Washington
April 17, 1969: Alexander Dubcek deposed
April 17, 1974: Immanuel Kant appears on a West German postage stamp
April 17, 1975: Khmer Rouge captures Phnom Penh
April 18, 1480: Lucrezia Borgia born
April 18, 1775: "The British are coming." Concord is so forewarned
April 18, 1857: Clarence Darrow born
April 18, 1895: Free public baths established in New York
April 18, 1906: San Francisco earthquake
April 18, 1923: Yankee Stadium opens
April 18, 1937: Leon Trotsky calls for Stalin's ouster
April 18, 1946: League of Nations dissolves
April 18, 1949: Republic of Ireland proclaimed
April 18, 1955: Albert Einstein dies
April 18, 1968: London Bridge sold
April 18, 1989: Zimbabwe gains independence
April 19, 1774: First African American admitted to a mental institution
in North America
April 19, 1932: Jayne Mansfield born
April 19, 1933: Gold standard ends in US
April 19, 1943: Albert Hofmann does it again, to confirm his suspicions
April 19, 1943: Warsaw Ghetto uprising
April 19, 1993: FBI massacres 80 Branch Davidians
April 19, 1995: Oklahoma City federal building bombed
April 20, 1769: Chief Pontiac murdered
April 20, 1841: Poe's Murders in the Rue Morgue published
April 20, 1889: Adolf Hitler born
April 20, 1914: Ludlow Massacre
April 20, 1923: Tito Puente born
April 20, 1964: Cleveland school boycott
April 20, 1977: Annie Hall premieres
April 20, 1999: Columbine High School shooting
April 21, 753 BCE: Romulus and Remus found Rome
April 21, 1649: Toleration Act passed, Maryland
April 21, 1918: Ella Fitzgerald born
April 21, 1838: John Muir born
April 21, 1878: First US firehouse pole installed, NYC
April 21, 1892: Black longshoremen strike, St. Louis
April 21, 1898: Cuban-Spanish-American War begins
April 21, 1914: US invades Vera Cruz
April 21, 1960: Brasilia becomes capital of Brazil
April 21, 1961: French army revolts in Algeria
April 21, 1967: Military coup, Greece
April 21, 1975: Nguyen Van Thieu chickens out
April 21, 1997: Ashes of Timothy Leary and Gene Roddenberry blasted into
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April 22, 1707: Henry Fielding born
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April 22, 1823: Roller skates patented
April 22, 1870: V.I. Lenin born
April 22, 1897: Jewish Forward begins publication
April 22, 1898: US blockades Cuba
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April 22, 1954: Army-McCarthy hearings start
April 22, 1955: Congress orders all US coins bear motto "In God We
Trust"
April 22, 1969: First human eye transplant performed
April 22, 1970: First Earth Day celebration
April 22, 1989: Huey Newton murdered
April 22, 1994: Richard Nixon dies
April 22, 1922: Charles Mingus born
April 22, 2000: Elian Gonzalez liberated
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Today in Music History at http://www.musicorb.com/index.php
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"My fellow Americans, major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the
battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."
--George W. Bush, May 1, 2003
"...I told the American people that the road ahead would be difficult, and
that we would prevail. Well, it has been difficult--and we are
prevailing."
--George W. Bush, June 28, 2005
U.S. military fatalities through May 1, 2003: 140
U.S. military fatalities through June 28, 2005: 1743
U.S. military fatalities as of April 15, 2006: 2372
Iraqi civilian fatalities through May 1, 2003: 1982
Iraqi civilian fatalities through June 28, 2005: 22,563 25,560 (estimated)*
Iraqi civilian fatalities as of April 15, 2006: 34,139 38,280 (estimated)*
*These figures are based on the number of fatalities cited in various news
reports and have been criticized, with much justification, for not giving
an accurate assessment of the real civilian death count. A much more
rigorous and statistically-reliable study, conducted by teams from Johns
Hopkins University, Columbia University and Al-Mustansiriya University,
and published in The Lancet (the British medical journal) in the Fall of
2004, put the figure at around 100,000 civilians dead. However, that data
had been based on "conservative assumptions", according to research team
leader Les Roberts, and the actual count could be significantly higher.
Note also that the Lancet study's data greatly underestimated fatalities
in Falujah due to the surveying problems encountered there at that time.
If the full and true data from this town is included, the compiled studies
would point to about 250,000 excess civilian deaths since the outbreak of
the aggression and genocide committed by the United States against the
people of Iraq.
Sources: http://www.iraqbodycount.net/
http://icasualties.org/oif/
http://www.zmag.org/lancet.pdf
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1338749,00.html
http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/Iraq_war.html
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.php4?article_id=6271
http://olm.blythe-systems.com/pipermail/nytr/Week-of-Mon-20041025/008279.html
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TOPIC: Iraqi Shiite exodus from mixed towns
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Iraqi Shiite exodus from mixed towns
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Christian Science Monitor via Yahoo - Apr 13, 2006
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Shiite exodus from mixed towns
By David Enders
Contributor to The Christian Science Monitor
BAGHDAD - For the past nine weeks, Nabil Abdul Hassan has had more business
than he can handle. He's a home builder in Chikook, a western suburb of
cinder-block houses that is filling up with Shiite Iraqis who are
increasingly fleeing sectarian violence in religiously mixed villages.
."I've built 20 houses in the past two weeks, and it's been like that since
what happened in Samarra," he says, referring to the attack on the Askariya
shrine, one of Shiite Islam's holiest sites, on Feb. 22. "The other builders
in this neighborhood say the same. And it is like that in other
neighborhoods nearby."
The escalation of sectarian bloodshed that followed the bombing has driven
6,600 families from their homes, according to the Iraqi Red Crescent and the
Iraqi government. The houses mushrooming around this neighborhood are an
indication that the separation of Iraq's Arab Shiites and Sunnis is
accelerating, threatening the country's long-term unity.
Around Baghdad, Shiites coming in from outlying villages are living in tents
provided by the Iraqi Red Crescent Society. IRCS President Said Hakki says
the agency is preparing to aid some 50,000 families, and has requested aid
from the US military to build sanitation facilities for camps and provide
rations. Other Shiites are going south to predominantly Shiite cities such
as Basra, Najaf, and Karbala.
Most of the families in Chikook are from Haswa, a village southwest of
Baghdad. The men here say there was a progression - first they became afraid
to travel to Baghdad for work, which took them through largely Sunni suburbs
on the west side of the city where people were frequently attacked on the
road. Further west of Haswa is largely Sunni Abu Ghraib, a site of
consistent guerrilla activity for more than two years.
Abu Ali is asked why Shiites, the majority of the population of Haswa,
didn't fight back as they have in other areas. "Haswa is surrounded," he
says, asking to be identified only by his nickname which means, in Arabic,
father of Ali. He arrived in Chikook a little more than a week ago.
The people in Chikook say they have received no assistance from the Iraqi
government, which remains in a state of limbo. Iraq's Shiite politicians,
meeting Wednesday, failed to resolve the deadlock over their nominee for
prime minister, an issue that has stalled the formation of a government
following December's national elections. Instead, acting parliament speaker
Adnan Pachachi said that he would convene the parliament next week, hoping
to force the issue.
"It's my duty to the Iraqi people in order to preserve the credibility of
the democratic process," he told a press conference.
But few in Chikook are expecting much help; Fed up with security forces they
said were unable to make them feel secure in their homes. Umm Thair (meaning
mother of Thair) arrived in Chikook a year ago from Mosul after her husband
was assassinated for selling cars to the government, she says. Her house,
larger than most, overflows with families waiting for their own dwellings to
be built.
"The government does nothing! What should I say about the government? This
is the democracy. This is the freedom," she says, laughing bitterly. "The
freedom is that you must leave your house."
"Families are living in their cars," says Abu Ali. "It's like Shiites aren't
human beings."
IRCS president Mr. Hakki says his organization is expecting many more
refugees to come to Baghdad. "The whole scheme [of attacks] seems to be very
well-organized and well-executed," he says.
In Chikook, residents of the newly erected tent camp hold up letters from
Sunni Arab insurgent groups such as the Islamic Army of Iraq and Ansar
Al-Sunni. They variously accuse men of giving aid to Shiite militias or the
Iraqi National Guard and give them an amount of time to leave - a few days
or 24 hours - before "passing God's judgment," in the words of one of the
letters.
"Everyone just left," says Harmeet Hanoon, also from Haswa. "The violence is
increasing. More people are coming each day."
Filling the void left by the government, the Mahdi Army, the militia of
cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, has provided assistance to displaced families in
neighborhoods all over Baghdad.
Most of the neighborhoods like Chikook are proximal to Sadr City, the
northern suburb of more than 2 million that comprises Mr. Sadr's power base.
Chikook itself is on the south side of Shoala, a slightly smaller, poorer
neighborhood similar to Sadr City. The militia is also strong in Shoala, and
the residents of Chikook say the local Sadr office has been providing gas,
food, and protection for the residents and even pointed them to the vacant
land upon which to build houses or pitch tents.
"We ask the Iraqi government to find a solution for those who are suffering
instead of arguing about seats," says Abdullah al-Rikaby, a spokesman for
the Sadr office in Shoala.
Shiites are not the only ones being cleansed. Sunnis are also leaving areas
in which they are the minority, pushed out by Shiite militias. The Iraqi
Islamic Party in Baghdad says it has registered 1,500 displaced families
since the Samarra attack.
The migration of both Arab Sunni and Shiites seems to be fueling sectarian
tension. Naim Hussein lives in Imam al-Ridha, a neighborhood similar to
Chikook that borders Sadr City. After fleeing Taji, north of the capital,
two months ago after three of his cousins were killed by insurgents, he now
states his allegiance to Sadr's militia.
Though Sadr has called for calm, some of the young men are ready to fight.
"We are all Jeish al-Imam," says Mr. Hussein, giving the militia's alternate
name. "We are waiting for the green light from our leaders. If there were
really a civil war, there would be no Sunnis left."
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