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Tuesday, April 11, 2006

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Today's topics:

* ISRAELI FASCIST MURDERERS! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/951289ee396059d1
* Iran has A Nuke - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/958f1b76e584a34e
* How wet white liberals became the ultimate black joke - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f51fa80d532d1f8f
* EL PAYASO CAPITALISTA Y ASPIRANTE A DICTADOR ETERNO NO SE DARA CUENTA QUE AL
KAGALOSO EN JEFE LE QUEDA POCO ?? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9d5bafe3dec01584
* This Land is Their Land, and We Are the Illegal Aliens - 2 messages, 2
authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6f24ab2b39ff1401
* US considering using nukes on Iran - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/538c6dfffb40cb28
* 'Nobody Listened' to Human Rights Abuses in Cuba AND MANY STILL TRY TO COVER
UP THE DICTATOR OF CUBA... - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/bd26ab3357a4bbc2
* Another Jew Problem - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/53aa85609310a9ea
* Ali Asker, A PKK Terrorists Living Off British Taxpayers Goodwill In Befast,
UK - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a14268b2543e2627
* Ali Asker, A PKK Terrorists Living Off British Taxpayers Goodwill In Befast,
UK - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e68e4f7e0012c630
* Joe Garcia and NDN The new Advisory Board members of the Hispanic Strategy
Center are: - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/5de15c14f9a25f28
* Durante 2005 Venezuela compro $500 millones en bienes a Cuba - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c5da92c4daab11c0
* World War III NEWS, Tuesday, April 11th, 2006 AD....Bush's "Nuclear Option" -
1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e7dc73ae8d2b8475
* Jooz love for Hitler - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/817d8040767f1b2c
* $10,000 Reward for Thai Air Force Commander Akkavibul - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/416ef42277b367dc
* Black's lynch mob mentality over alleged Duke assault - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ea6745f7001a01c6
* INSANE BRUG ADDICT BUSH HAS HIS FINGERS ON THE NUCLEAR BUTTON! - 1 messages,
1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/afe8115549099091
* BUSH CRIMES SURPASS THOSE OF SADDAM - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c4545e951c39ad13
* India Most Likely Behind Pakistan Prayer Service Bombing ?? - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b4329c932ea6412e
* TRUE STORY: US Katrina workers told, 'The Mexicans have arrived. Go home' -
1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/1ed5c55c6457147d
* Independence of Chechnya in the Long Run - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/fecb303268ff2ba9
* Trouble at Islamic majority school - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f19cb290f14308a2

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TOPIC: ISRAELI FASCIST MURDERERS!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/951289ee396059d1
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 12 2006 3:40 am
From: flaviaR@verizon.net

On 11-Apr-2006, melchizedek_the_canaanite
<melchizedek_the_canaanite@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Michael Ejercito wrote:
> >
> > THE PEOPLE IN THE GAZA STRIP SHOULD GO BACK TO EGYPT; THAT IS THEIR
> > HOME COUNTRY!
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
> How about Canaan for the Canaanites ?

Sure.
You find one I will personally let him/her have it all.

Susan

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TOPIC: Iran has A Nuke
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/958f1b76e584a34e
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 12 2006 3:41 am
From: "Salah Jafar"

Hay stupid Nassar died in 1970, he was not around for the 73 war. Second Israel is not the most powerful nation, they can fight a war with the help of the United States. We have seen their performance in Lebanon. Got whipped and fucked in the Ass by Hizbollah. Dream on, SO most jooz will be in your nick of the wood as refugees. Help them out dickey
SJ

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 8:52 pm
From: "Jim E"

"Salah Jafar" <codeman@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BB__f.2549$7Z6.2241@trnddc06...
The German are ready to build one for you Parasite man.
SJ

How many goats are you paying them?
Hope you don't have to give up the one you sleep with.

Jim E

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 8:55 pm
From: "Jim E"

"Ed" <nesorde@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:D7adnXs4ptA28aHZnZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> "Jim E" <YD652126@sea.edu> wrote in message
> news:4a37imFrd9kqU1@individual.net...
>>
>> "ysidro" <ysidro_mcguffog@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:443c3f2d$0$6779$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>>> Al Nakba wrote:
>>>> Iran's asslifting goat buggering mullahs will soon be turbanated..
>>>>
>>> Best you lay is some public transport timetables or buy a bicycle,
>>> because if Iran is attacked the worlds oil price is going to go into
>>> orbit.
>>
>> Way cool, less traffic to compete with.
>> I get 55MPG.
>
> The company I work for is slowly converting to work-at-home. Five more in
> my office have been picked to begin work at home in the next few weeks.
> By the end of the year, all of us will be doing this.
>
> Just think.... one tank of gas to last at least a month, since 80% or more
> of most people's driving consists of the daily commute to and from work.
> My commute to work will be about 20 feet into my den. SWEET!!!
>
> And the best part is, that I will be doing my part to really stick it to
> the damn Arabs :-) EVERYONE should work at home. The technology is out
> there, and the pay off will be HUGE!!!
>
>

Not applicable to all jobs.
I work on an eight man crew that operates a machine five stories tall and
has a footprint larger than a football field.
Kind of hard to do that at home.

Jim E

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TOPIC: How wet white liberals became the ultimate black joke
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f51fa80d532d1f8f
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Apr 12 2006 3:41 am
From: "Alohacyberian"

"Antimulticulture" <Antimulticulture@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:443bad11$0$6813$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
> How wet white liberals became the ultimate black joke
> Politically correct do-gooders do more harm than they know, says
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-2124987_2,00.html
> Nirpal Singh Dhaliwal
> April 09, 2006
>
> Reading about the decision by the Crown Prosecution Service to
> prosecute a 10-year-old child for using the word "Paki" last week, got me
> thinking about the paranoia and confusion around the issue of race
> nowadays.
> When I was called a Paki at school, it was often by black kids who I'd
> cuss
> back at with racist barbs of my own. It was part of the ignorant
> ruck-and-maul of growing up working-class in multi-ethnic west London. But
> the strange logics that surround race aren't confined to the rough
> children
> of the lower orders.
>
> My friend Diane, a black single mother, lives next door to a
> lovely middle-class white family. She told me an interesting story. The
> neighbour had ticked off her adolescent son for using street slang rather
> than correct English; the boy then accused his mum of racism for disliking
> "black" argot. Given that Diane is scrupulous in ensuring her own son is
> well spoken and articulate, this provided food for thought. It shows how
> well-meaning white people, even the young, can have extremely misplaced
> ideas.
>
> The 14-year-old boy next door is a sweet kid, but had assumed
> that trash-talk is the way black people speak and is a valid language in
> its
> own right. Diane doesn't even let her six-year-old son watch MTV in case
> he
> imbibes retarded notions about how he should behave from rap videos made
> by
> multinational white-bread corporations.
>
> Gangsta rap makes millions by pandering to a middle-class
> fetish. It doesn't make money out of kids in the 'hood; they buy their
> music
> bootlegged or copy it from friends. But white suburbanites donate a
> fortune
> to crotch-grabbing dummies who prance around "keeping it real" for their
> delectation.
>
> Diane is rightly disgusted by the misogyny and homophobia that
> often make up the lyrics. She has high hopes for her children, and doesn't
> want them ruined by the music industry myth that the epitome of blackness
> is
> to be a scumbag who brags of abusing black women and killing black men.
>
> [ed. But mostly abusing white women and killing white men...]
>
> White people murder and peddle drugs, too, but those themes don't
> dominate the music white people make. Gangsta rap and its British
> equivalent, grime, take one sordid fact of human life and explode it out
> of
> all proportion, so it appears to be definitive. But the naive white kids
> who
> buy into it would never consider themselves to be racist. They see
> themselves as right-on hipsters who sympathise with the black experience.
>
> Groovy white liberals can pose serious problems to ethnic
> minorities in this country. They contributed to some of the most enjoyable
> and least productive moments of my childhood. I went to an all-boys
> comprehensive school in Ealing; the pupils were overwhelmingly black and
> Asian. Some, like me, were the children of Indian immigrants, others,
> refugees from Somalia, Iran, Armenia . . .
>
> We'd often get a fresh-faced, idealistic teacher who had no
> doubt read Marx and Malcolm X and done an elective in post-colonial theory
> at polytechnic. We ate those suckers alive.
>
> Desperate to empathise with our persecution, they were knocked
> dead by our indifference and rampant misbehaviour. At the first sniff of
> guilt-ridden middle-class weakness, the feral instincts of teenage boys
> were
> unleashed and the class descended into anarchy. They thought we'd been
> crazed by oppression, so didn't want to come down too hard on us. They
> wanted to understand instead. When it did get too much for them and they
> threatened to march one of us to the headmaster's office, our immediate
> protest would be: "You're a racist!"
>
> They'd cower behind their desks, mortified that we'd recognised
> some deeply suppressed prejudice within them, while we got back to hurling
> insults, beating the crap out of each other and rolling joints to smoke at
> lunchtime.
>
> The softest touches were always female. For many women, empathy
> and "emotional literacy" (whatever the hell that is) are a greater
> priority
> in the workplace than actually doing the job they're paid to do. We had a
> whale of a time whenever a liberal white female was in charge.
>
> A stalwart gang of diehard traditionalists prevented us from
> leaving school illiterate. Chief among them was Mr Garrett, my form tutor.
> He was an imposing behemoth of a man, who couldn't have cared less about
> our
> ethnicity and historical subjugation. He had high expectations of how we
> should behave and apply ourselves, and flew into thunderous, terrifying
> rages whenever we failed to meet them.
>
> He was the kind of guy who'd never get a job in education today.
> For some kids he was the most solid male presence they had in their lives.
> Whenever I bump into former classmates in my old neighbourhood, he's the
> teacher we remember most fondly, wondering how he's doing now. He didn't
> always have our affection, but he commanded our respect. He saw enough
> innate worth in us to set us standards and be bitterly disappointed when
> we
> fell short.
>
> Things are very different today. I have a friend who teaches,
> and he says it's normal for teachers not to reprimand badly behaved black
> kids because "they suffer enough oppression as it is". The soft bigotry of
> wet liberals is as insidious as the "racism of white supremacists".
> Lowering
> the bar for children because you consider them oppressed has the same
> effect
> as expecting little of them because you think them inferior.
>
> We could never pull our stunts on Mr Garrett. He was hard on us
> all - black, white and brown - but rigorously fair. I can still remember
> his
> face, purple with anger, as he folded and refolded a piece of paper,
> straining to control his temper after I'd been reported to him for a
> misdemeanour. He was the only teacher who ever inspired shame in me.
>
> It's 16 years since I left his care, and I'm now a writer who has
> just
> had his first novel published. If Mr Garrett is reading this, I'd like to
> thank him for myself and on behalf of all the other boys whose lives he
> impacted so furiously, and so positively upon.
>

What a priceless testimony and should be required reading for people
inclined toward "multicultural tolerance" which is only a coward's form of
"kindness". Instinctively kids want you to make them behave, especially if
they have parents and teachers who won't make them behave and achieve to the
best of their abilities. Those who demand excellence from their students
and children, get excellence, those who don't - sell their children and
pupils down the river. The one thing children want is recognition and if
they can't get it in an acceptable manner, they get it in other ways which
haunt them until they die. Kids could care less what race, religion or
ethnicity their peers are - they are taught separatism from adults - even
handwringing adults who want to expose the children to only politically
correct philosophies. Political correctness only serves to shift old
prejudices to newer, more trendy prejudices. To mollycoddle minorities is
to further convince them of their perceived inferiorities. KM
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TOPIC: EL PAYASO CAPITALISTA Y ASPIRANTE A DICTADOR ETERNO NO SE DARA CUENTA
QUE AL KAGALOSO EN JEFE LE QUEDA POCO ??
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9d5bafe3dec01584
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 11:29 pm
From: "PM"

Venezuela and Cuba agree oil link
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4901466.stm

Venezuela and Cuba have formed a joint venture to revamp a Cuban oil refinery, tightening ties between the countries.
The two sides will pump an initial $800m to $1bn (£460m-£570m) into the scheme which aims to completely reactivate the Cienfuegos refinery.

Under the agreement Venezuela's state oil firm PDVSA will hold a 49% share in the plant and Cuba the rest.

Venezuela has also agreed to supply 70,000 barrels per day of unrefined oil to the factory in south central Cuba.

The deal marks the latest loosening of ties between the US and Venezuela, which have been strained under President Hugo Chavez.

Weaker US links

By boosting ties with communist Cuba - also a long time opponent of the US - Venezuela is hoping to reduce its traditional dependence on the US.

The Cienfuegos refinery was built with aid from the former Soviet regime - but work on the almost completed site halted in 1991 when the Soviet Union collapsed.

Meanwhile, Venezuela - currently the world's number five crude exporter - has been trying to tighten its grip on its oil industry in recent years to raise additional funds to fight poverty in the country.

Earlier this month, the country took over control of two oil fields operated by French firm Total and Italy's Eni after the pair failed to agree a deal that would have given the government a majority stake in new ventures.

As well as demanding firms give up majority control of their Venezuelan oil ventures, the government is also demanding firms pay more taxes.

Last month, BP was slapped with a back tax bill of $61.4m (£35m) covering 2001 to 2004.

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TOPIC: This Land is Their Land, and We Are the Illegal Aliens
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6f24ab2b39ff1401
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 8:49 pm
From: "Joe Stiborik"

<gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1144806972.655713.280840@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>
> RAY S. ELIZONDO wrote:
>> <gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
>> news:1144795156.195167.38760@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
>> > Hehh, If we let the Jews keep Israel, it's only fair
>> > that American Indians get thier land back from the
>> > US of A!
>> >
>> Have you visited one of the many Indian Casinos?
>
> NO, but I hear tell they are the envy of those in Las Vegas.
>

With obsolutely no competition nearby, you bet!

Maybe the Palestinians should try this...

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 9:10 pm
From: gigo448@netscape.net

Joe Stiborik wrote:
> <gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:1144806972.655713.280840@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > RAY S. ELIZONDO wrote:
> >> <gigo448@netscape.net> wrote in message
> >> news:1144795156.195167.38760@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> >> > Hehh, If we let the Jews keep Israel, it's only fair
> >> > that American Indians get thier land back from the
> >> > US of A!
> >> >
> >> Have you visited one of the many Indian Casinos?
> >
> > NO, but I hear tell they are the envy of those in Las Vegas.
> >
>
> With obsolutely no competition nearby, you bet!

Nice theory, but I don't think supply and demand works quite that way!
With customers going out of thier way just to get to them instead.

>
> Maybe the Palestinians should try this...

Hehh, don't you first gotta put them all on a reservation in the middle
of the
desert?

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TOPIC: US considering using nukes on Iran
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/538c6dfffb40cb28
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 8:53 pm
From: "The Last 2443 Days™ ♥"

ass wrote:
> nuke them now!!!!!!!!!

That's exactly what's gonna happen !!

Though U might have to wait a few extra weeks
-- seems it has been postponed for a little while longer !! ;-)

Can U be patient, ass ?!?!?

http://www.joevialls.co.uk/myahudi/sunburn.html

HOOROO

UNCLE WALLY

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TOPIC: 'Nobody Listened' to Human Rights Abuses in Cuba AND MANY STILL TRY TO
COVER UP THE DICTATOR OF CUBA...
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/bd26ab3357a4bbc2
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 11:42 pm
From: "PM"

Reprinted from NewsMax.com

'Nobody Listened' to Human Rights Abuses in Cuba
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/4/3/121649.shtml
Jessica Rincon and Patrick White
Monday, April 3, 2006
Excerpted from a student paper by Jessica Rincon and Patrick White written
for the communication studies department, Concordia University, Montreal,
Quebec, Canada.

A documentary made by Nestor Almendros and Jorge Ulla, entitled "Nobody
Listened," touches on the extent of human rights abuses in Cuba. The film is
inspired by the book "Against all Hope," which describes the experiences
that author Armando Valladares and others went through as prisoners in Cuba.
"Nobody Listened" recounts experiences of priests, civilians and a former
comrade of Cuban President Fidel Castro.

It is easy to see why the film is censored in Cuba. Since Castro first
formed his government 47 years ago, thousands of political prisoners have
been accused of committing crimes. What are considered crimes include being
part of organizations defending human rights, sedition or possessing
counter-revolutionary or non-authorized materials. If a person has been
arrested previously, and is considered politically active, Castro will find
any pretext to harass or imprison that person, according to Valladares.

Castro censors people's freedom of expression by arbitrarily banning any
materials (book, film, or article) he feels threatens his government
principles, such as any declaration of human rights or a book written by a
Cuban exile, and labels these works as "counter-revolutionary."

"Nobody Listened" also covers the contrast of what Castro and his comrades
are saying is happening in Cuba and what is really going on through the
everyday experiences of many Cuban citizens. The film seeks the response of
the Cuban government regarding these issues, and not surprisingly, uncovers
that the government feels exiles are traitors, as are human rights
advocates.

It seems the documentary is not receiving the warm welcome it was thought
that it would in the United States. Agustin Blazquez, a filmmaker and friend
of Almendros, was interviewed and provided great insight through an article
entitled " Branded by Paradise and Maligned by Exile," which appeared in
"Tyrant Aficionado" in 1999. For years, intellectual Cuban exiles residing
in the United States have been discriminated against by the people who
control the media and the ones in charge of promoting and distributing
artists, filmmakers and writers' works, Blazquez says.

As an example, "Nobody Listened" was rejected in 1988 by the New York Film
Festival. The same festival rejected "Bitter Sugar" (Leon Ichazo) and "This
is Cuba" (Chris Hume), films that also contain controversial information
about Castro's regime. This trend did not go unnoticed as Cuban-American
filmmakers protested against this decision, and among these protesters was
Jorge Ulla.

PBS initially would not show the documentary, but in 1990 finally agreed to
broadcast it. However, the stations' producers cut out about an hour of the
two-hour film. Furthermore, immediately after it ended, PBS aired a
documentary entitled "The Uncompromising Revolution" by Saul Landau. This,
according to Blázquez, was something that Ulla and Almendros considered an
absolute offence to their work. They saw Landau's work as being pro-Castro.

Only when documentaries such as "Nobody Listened" can be shown in their
entirety will the issues on both sides be presented. That the material is
controversial and revealing is exactly why it should be aired. Only then
will the oppressed living in unspeakable conditions in Cuba be heard.

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Delray Beach, Florida U.S.A.
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CUBAN SUGAR MARKET & THE US GOV.- Learn the true reasons that keep Castro
in power. The "hidden" power manipulating the US Government, and the
resultant corruption of its institutions. Read Lieber's book: Rats In The
Grain, and watch the documentary: COVERING CUBA 4: The Rats Below. Film
exposes sugar price control by ADM, owners of Wash. DC. Order your DVD copy
at: www.CubaCollectibles.com

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TOPIC: Another Jew Problem
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/53aa85609310a9ea
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 8:58 pm
From: gigo448@netscape.net

Ephraim wrote:
> Andrew A. Nanton wrote:
> > If putting the state of Israel in the Middle East was a problem and is
> > causing all of the crap today.
> > Would we not be better off to find a land willing to host the Jews and move
> > them there?
> > This would create peace. The cost would be far cheaper than sustaining a
> > fight against terrorism.
> >
> >
>
> Or we could transfer all the resident of the US to Europe and give the
> US back to the Spaniards, French and et al.
>
> Why dismantle an legimate country for one that doesn't exist.

For the same reason one might dismantle the United States and give it
back to the American Indians instead. Cause the government that
currently
exists is about as corrupt as one can get!

>
> Israel has been in and on the same land since around 1200 BCE, only
> under different management. Let me see, that about 3206 years ago.
>
> The Arab only arrive on the seen in 638 AD and it drifted in and out of
> their hands until 1922, or so when the British took over.
>
> Don't forget the Crucades where the Papel emissary governed the land.
> About 25 years.
>
> Israel became a nation again in 1948.
>
> So lets look at the numbers.
>
> Jews have resided in the land of Israel for 3206 years.
> Arabs have managed the land periodically for about 1259 years.
>
> Jews have resided on the land of Israel 1947 years longer than the
> Arabs, and that is continuous.
>
> Check out: http://www.palestinefacts.org for the truth and then don't
> stress over a situation that you have no control over.
>
> Ephraim

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TOPIC: Ali Asker, A PKK Terrorists Living Off British Taxpayers Goodwill In
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Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 8:59 pm
From: "rick murphy"

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Ali Asker (pasa_asker@lycos.com, <pasa_as...@kurdistan.kd>) is a self
proclaimed PKK terrorist and proud of his murders living off british
taxpayers goodwill in Belfast, UK.

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"From: Ali Asker (pasa_asker@lycos.com)
Subject: Re: Kuwerdish contribution to Oscar 2005
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Date: 2004-10-02 04:55:12 PST

We are the TERRORISTS...

We will divide Iran, Turkey, Syria and Iraq in to the pieces until
ever single individual is free from thought control, torture and
brain-washing! Every nation should have their own land where they can
practice their own culture. Iran has consist of about 20 some
different nations and we will tore them in to 20 different countries
and give mollahs a small land where they can practice their barbaric
religion to themselves and only harm temselves.

WE WILL BREAK IRAN IN TO THE PIECES!!! "

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http://www.hurriyetim.com.tr/haber/0,,sid~381@nvid~607454,00.asp

Ereli: Our common interest is to stop the PKK

The U.S. State Department spokesman Adam Ereli in response to whether
the US would allow Turkey to enter the north of Iraq in order to
eliminate the terrorist organization, the Kurdistan Workers Party
(PKK), said that he was unaware that such a statement had been made and
that if it did become a question, the necessary military authorities
would deal with it.

Ereli reiterated that the US recognised the PKK as a terrorist
organization and would act with its common interest with Turkey in
preventing terrorism activities of the PKK.

"Both Turkey and the United States consider PKK a terrorist
organization. Both countries are active against PKK," Ereli indicated.
He noted that the two countries would continue to cooperate and work
together on this matter.

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http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=42380

Boucher: Ocalan Is A Terrorist Who Belongs In A Prison Cell

Published: 5/19/2005

WASHINGTON D.C. - The United States Department of State has announced
that Abdullah Ocalan is a terrorist who ''belongs in a prison cell.''

The U.S. Department of State has indicated that it took note of the
recent decision made by the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) on
Ocalan and that this topic will be best handled by Turkey.

Spokesman of the U.S. Department of State Richard Boucher has said that
the U.S. continues to regard the PKK as a terrorist organization.

Describing Ocalan as a terrorist who belongs in a prison cell, Boucher
said that they did take a note of the ECHR decision.

Yet we believe that this topic would most appropriately be handled by
Turkey itself, commented Boucher.

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http://www.turkses.com/index.asp

The Terror Organization KADEK

1. General

Historical Background

The initial activities regarding the terror organization PKK have
started with the intellectual activities of some students defending the
Marxist-Leninist ideology within the Ankara's Democratic Patriotic
Students Association (ADYÖD) under the leadership of Abdullah ÖCALAN
since 1973.

Abdullah ÖCALAN and his friends declared the setting up of the
Kurdistan's Workers Party (PKK) during an illegal meeting held in the
Diyarbakir province, Lice district, Fis village on November 27, 1978
which was called 1 st. Congress.

The inital documents stating PKK's aim were the "The Way Of
Kurdistan's Revolution-Manifesto" and party program published in 1978.
According to the said program, the aim of the terror organization is to
found initially an independent Marxist-Leninist Kurdistan state in the
East and Southeast Anatolian regions in Turkey by using the method of
armed propaganda and to achieve subsequently its final goal of
establishing an "Independent United Kurdistan" through the unification
of the Kurdish states to be founded in neighboring countries.

To this end, the terror organization PKK having officially declared
the commencement of its armed activities following the bloody attacks
on the districts Eruh and Þemdinli on August 15, 1984 has determined
four-stage strategy in order to divide and destroy Turkey by trying to
gather some part of the people, who have been living in peace within
the country for thousands of years, on a separate territory under a
different flag claiming that they have allegedly a different identity.

According to the above-mentioned strategy, it has been intended to;

- Obtain certain cultural and social rights at the first stage,

- Set up an autonomy or another administrative system of federation
type at the second stage,

- Establish the alleged North Kurdistan in our territory at the
third stage and

- Found an independent and united Kurdistan state in the region to
include some parts of Iranian, Iraqi and Syrian territories at the
final stage.

To this end, the terror organization PKK has adopted the method of
separatism-based, three-phased armed propaganda which was called the
war of people, and based on violence directed against the regional
people. Accordingly, the terror organization PKK has aimed at.

- Completing strategic defense stage through armed propaganda,
alleged guerilla war and mobile war operations under the control of its
leading staff within the framework of its ideological ideas in the
first phase,

- Partially completing the process of establishing fronts and an
army and thus, creating the strategic balance which will provide the
balance of power between the security forces and the terror
organization in the second phase and,

- Establishing saved areas in the region after triggering public
risings wherever possible by escalating the conflicts and passing into
strategic attack state when seizing the authority in the third phase,

The terror organization which has increased its armed force over 8
thousand men and raised the violence it has used against the people
regardless of their being women, elder or children to the highest level
from 1992 has not been able to achieve the above-mentioned stages until
today due to the measures taken in accordance with the "Area
Superiority Concept" put into practice from 1994, and the operations
successfully conducted by security forces. As a result, the separatist
terror organization was forced to take the decision of unilateral
ceasefire four times in 1993, 1995, 1998 and finally on September 01,
1999 in order to preserve its terrorist power.

The terror organization desiring to exploit the alleged cease-fire
as an opportunity of recovery for tactical purposes has tried to prove
that it still maintains its existence by continuing its acts and
violence against the civilians and security forces in rural, on the one
hand, carrying out sabotage and bomb attacks in the cities, on the
other hand.

The Turkish Armed Forces has gained an important success in pulling
down the terror organization and its activities to a marginal level
through a successful military operation it has conducted under the
Turkish constitution and legislation to destroy the internal threat, by
acting in a way that ensures the simultaneous implementation of a
series of administrative, social and economic measures taken to prevent
the support being provided to the terror organization.

The last achievement of the Turkish Armed Forces in struggling
against terrorism was that head of the terror organization A. ÖCALAN,
who was deported from Syria, was taken to Turkey following his capture
in Kenya/Nairobi on February 15, 1999 and brought before the
independent court.

The terror organization, tending to resort again to violence during
the period when the head of the terror organization has been taken to
Turkey and brought before the judge, has been able to adapt itself to
the new situation in a short time within the framework of the defense
that head of the terror organization has made in the court and has
tried to reach its goal by exploiting Turkey's EU goal and certain
values such as human rights and democratic rights widely accepted by
the international community. Within the framework of his defense in the
court, the head of the terrorist organization has changed his tactic
and begun to articulate such concepts as "Democratic Republic" and
"Democratic Middle Eastern Union" in its defense to save himself from
capital punishment.

At the VII. Congress of the terror organization held in the Kandil
Mountain region in Iraq on January 02-23, 2000 during which the new
strategy of the terror organization was agreed, it was decided that;

- The armed activities should be resumed in case of execution of
head of the terrorist organization and.

- The Kurdistan's National Liberation Army (ARGK), the alleged
military flank of the terror organization should maintain its existence
under the title of "People Defense Forces (Hezi Parastini Gel-HP) and
the Kurdistan's National Liberation Front (ERNK), the alleged political
flank of the terror organization, which mainly carries out activities
in European countries under the "Kurdish Democratic People Union
(Yekita Democratic A Gele Kurd-YDK) until appropriate legal
arrangements regarding recognition of the Kurdish identity in Turkey
and constitutional guarantees are provided.

The legalization plan that the terror organization has developed
according to its new strategy agreed during its congress, provides for
the followings:

- Giving the message that it is ready to make peace with the
government of Turkish Republic in order to obtain the status of being
recognized as a party in national and international public opinion,

- Handing over some terrorists to the security forces to convince
the public opinion that it is allegedly ready to make peace,

- Making political studies within the People's Democratic Party
(HADEP), which has political connection with the terror organization,
or a similar legal organization, and cooperating with other political
parties,

- Making guiding studies within the municipalities governed by
HADEP to broaden grass roots,

- Having contacts and cooperating with intellectuals from all
circles in Turkey's democratization to ensure the alleged cultural
rights of Kurds being recognized,

- Demanding that the Turkish government should make legal changes
to prove its goodwill through the human rights organizations,

- Bringing up the education in Kurdish language,

- Ensuring the Kurdish identity coming to the fore by focusing on
cultural activities,

- Organizing campaigns in order to ensure the scope of the law of
amnesty being extended,

The terror organization has attempted by its new plan to reach its
final goal that it could not achieve through its armed struggle it has
been carrying out for 16 years, through legalization efforts. To this
end, it has increased its activities it has conducted under the title
of the "Democratic Republic" at home and under "Political Settlement (
Solution ) To The Kurdish Problem" abroad,

In the plan the terror organization developed under the name of
"Peace Project" on March 07, 2000 following the VII. Congress,

- The alleged "Kurdish Problem" and PKK terror are identified with
the Irish, Palestinian, East Timor and Basque problems and it is
requested that the related "Political Solution" initiatives should also
be taken in Turkey and,

- It is put forward that the settlement of the alleged Kurdish
problem in Turkey in accordance with the predictions of head of the
terror organization, Öcalan would also serve the settlement of the
problems in the Middle Eastern countries, and the "Democratic Middle
Eastern Union" to be set up in regional countries would lead to
economic, social and cultural developments,

- Subsequently, in its 2nd "Party Assembly" meeting held in North
Iraq in September 2000, the terror organization decided to be
reorganized to conceal its terrorist identity and began to term its
former structure with innocent titles,

- Assuming that the new strategy of the terror organization could
not be well understood and adopted by its mountain members, the terror
organization held the III. "Party Assembly" meeting between 27 February
and 03 March 2001 and focused on restructuring activities in accordance
with the decisions it took during the said meeting. In addition, the
terror organization, having assessed that the people movement
activities could not achieve the desired level, has intensified its
efforts to ensure its new strategy being accepted by its members and
supporters through a series of meetings.

In this context;

* The "Centralized Propaganda and Media Conference" was held
between 29 May and 07 June 2001 in order for the efforts in the media
field, that the terror organization considers to be insufficient, and
to reach an organized structure,

* The "1st Public Movement Conference" was held between 20 June and
02 July 2001 for the purpose of carrying out the acts and activities
the terror organization has started under the name of alleged 2nd Peace
Efforts, in a more organized manner through its supporters and
sympathizers who are directed by the front organizations,

* The "1st Public Defense Forces (HPG), Conference" was held
between 28 June and 12 July 2001 in order to develop a new structure by
making radical changes in the armed flank of the terror organization
from the armed group order and discipline to war tactics and
techniques,

* The "3rd Free Women Party (PJA) Conference" was held on July
11-22, 2001 to make the women organizations conducting activities in
legal and illegal fields more active and organized,

* The "1st Culture, Art and Folklore Conference" was held on 11-22
July 2001 in order to indoctrinate wider parts of the people with
separatist ideas and,

* The "6th National Conference" was held on August 05-22, 2001
under the leadership of the alleged Supreme Council of the terror
organization in order to coordinate the conferences to be held in line
with the activities the terror organization carries out in various
fields and to direct all organizational efforts towards public
movements,

- The above-mentioned conferences have drawn special attention as
the ones which have been held within the framework of preparations for
the 8th Congress of the terror organization PKK. According to the
decisions taken during the said conferences, various campaigns have
been organized primarily in Europe and subsequently in Turkey for the
purpose of gaining support for the requests of constitutional
recognition of the Kurdish identity and the use of Kurdish language as
the language of education. However, the terror organization has not
been able to reach the desired level of participation by the people.

- On the other hand, the terror organization has focused on
re-establishment of the terrorist groups not directly affected by the
security forces and on their armed training in raid, laying ambush and
sabotage. The disagreements arising within the terror organization,
PKK-KPU conflict and escape of nearly five hundred Syrian terrorists
from the terror organization in particular have been the noticeable
problems that the terror organization has faced within the period under
review.

- In the meantime, the defense that head of the terror organization
has developed for his trial lasting in the European Court of Human
Rights has been printed by the terrorist organization in a two-volume
book under the title of "From the Sumerian Monastic State To The
Democratic Republic", accepted as the second manifesto and begun to be
used as a guide document for all activities carried out by the terror
organization and as a basic document in the ideological training of the
terrorist organization's members and supporters.

- The 8th Congress preparations which have lasted for a long time
in accordance with the outline of the said defense of head of the
terrorist organization was held in the Kandil Mountain region in
Northern Iraq on April 04-10, 2002 with the participation of 285
terrorist's 106 of whom were women and 179 men as well as about 100
audiences,

- In the said congress during which the activities the terror
organization PKK has conducted in the past and report developed
according to the defense of head of the terror organization and
submitted to the congress have also been evaluated, it has been pointed
out that;

* The terror organization PKK has obtained some advantages like
raising of the Kurdish problem in international area as a result of the
armed struggle it has conducted since 1977,

* However, the ideology and modus operandi adopted by the terror
organization at the beginning have failed due to the collapse of the
former Soviet system and the anti-terror environment arising following
the September 11, 2001 terrorist attack on the US and,

* It has been the time that PKK would be replaced by a completely
new formation in order not to be included in the list of terrorist
organizations, and it must undergo restructuring beginning from its
ideology to its lowest-level units, including a change in its
organizational title,

* The "3rd Free Women Party (PJA) Conference" was held on July
11-22, 2001 to make the women organizations conducting activities in
legal and illegal fields more active and organized,

* The "1st Culture, Art and Folklore Conference" was held on 11-22
July 2001 in order to indoctrinate wider parts of the people with
separatist ideas and,

* The terror organization PKK has obtained some advantages like
raising of the Kurdish problem in international area as a result of the
armed struggle it has conducted since 1977,

- During its 8th Congress, the terror organization has stated that
PKK's role has ended under current circumstances and decided that;

* It will not use the title "PKK" in the activities it carries out
in every field from April 04, 2002 when the birthday of head of the
terrorists is,

* It will conduct its activities under the title "Kurdistan's
Freedom and Democracy Congress-KADEK" from now on in accordance with a
new program, statute and organization based on the solution of Kurdish
problem in line with the main points of the defense that head of the
terrorists has submitted to the European Court of Human Rights within
the existing borders in four countries,

* PKK considers KADEK as its sole legal representative and disposes
of its moral and physical acquisitions to KADEK. The terror
organization made a press conference in Belgium/Brussels on April 16,
2000 and publicized its decisions.

- In the meantime, the fact that the inclusion of the PKK in the
list of terrorist organizations developed by the European Union member
nations which was issued on May 4, 2002 has led the members of the
terrorist organizations into great concern regarding the possible
inclusion of KADEK in the list of terrorist organizations. For this
reason, the terror organization has immediately begun to make protests
against such nations as Denmark, Spain, the UK who have had an effect
on the related decision-making,

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Date: Tues, Apr 11 2006 9:01 pm
From: "rick murphy"