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* HOMELAND SECURITY AGENT ARRESTED FOR SEDUCING 14-YR-OLD GIRL - 2 messages, 2
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TOPIC: The New White Roses
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/417e81cb1c7fba0d
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 5:55 am
From: "DoD"

<flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:wXmZf.18947$Py4.10280@trnddc06...
> Thanks.
> This one's a keeper.

Glad you liked it. I would like to read more stories like this.....
Hopefully we can .......

> On 6-Apr-2006, "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote:
>
>> While Palestinian terrorism rages on, a new Arab "White Rose" - much like
>> the World War II German student Nazi resistance of that name - has been
>> sprouting. Not many Israelis have acknowledged its existence. But it is
>> high
>> time we did our bit to help this brave flower blossom.
>>
>> In my eighteen years living in Israel, two encounters with Arabs left me
>> with indelible impressions.
>>
>> The first was a decade ago when my developmentally delayed daughter, a
>> year
>> old, was hospitalized. She had pneumonia and uncontrollable seizures and
>> I
>> was simply overwhelmed. Nurses would pop in to administer drugs and then
>> vanish into thin air. The remainder of the care was up to us parents.
>>
>> Souaid, a university-educated Israeli Arab whose mildly epileptic baby
>> shared the room, took me under her wing. Behind the scenes, she urged the
>> nurses to help me out. She was direct and commanded their respect. And
>> they
>> obliged her. Souaid was a kind friend to me throughout her baby's
>> hospitalization.
>>
>> On Friday evening, she and her baby disappeared from our room after
>> candle-lighting. I searched the ward to no avail. Several hours later,
>> they
>> reappeared. Souaid explained that they'd gone to an empty room in
>> deference
>> to the Shabbat atmosphere and the religious fathers who were visiting
>> with
>> their children. By the time her baby was released, Souaid had shared many
>> long, intimate chats with me as well as with Chavi, an ultra-orthodox
>> woman
>> in our room. After they had bid one another farewell, Souaid took me
>> aside
>> and said: "I can't believe it; Chavi told me I am a righteous gentile."
>> "Chavi was right," I told her.
>>
>> Six years later, two other Arabs impacted on my life. On a hot August
>> afternoon in 2001, Izzadin Al Masri brutally murdered my fifteen year old
>> daughter, Malki, along with fourteen other innocent Jews. Eight children
>> and
>> one entire family were among the dead.
>>
>> Ahlam Tamimi, a Palestinian journalist, disguised herself as a secular
>> Jewish tourist and escorted Al Masri through central Jerusalem while
>> chatting in fluent English to dispel the suspicions of a police force on
>> high alert.
>>
>> From an Israeli prison cell where she is now serving 16 life terms,
>> Tamimi
>> spoke a day before last week's Israeli elections. "I am not sorry for
>> what
>> I
>> did," she declared. "I will get out of prison and I refuse to recognize
>> Israel's existence," she added. "Discussions will only take place after
>> Israel recognizes that this is Islamic land," she predicted.
>>
>> Several years ago Tamimi spoke with Barbara Victor, author of "Shahidas:
>> The
>> Female Kamikazie of Palestine" In her book, Victor writes that Tamimi who
>> "didn't regret the deaths of all these children added 'They should have
>> returned to Poland, Russia or the United States, to the countries their
>> parents came from.'"
>>
>> In ending Malki's beautiful life, Al Masri and Tamimi condemned me to
>> never-ending pain and longing. So I think I would be forgiven for keeping
>> my
>> distance from Arabs as long as I live.
>>
>> But the fact is I would never consider doing that. Today I hear many
>> compelling Arab voices rising above the fundamentalist Islamic din. More
>> and
>> more courageous Arabs, both Muslim and Christian, are outspoken defenders
>> of
>> the United States, Israel and the Jews. After a steady diet of Muslim
>> bloodshed, their messages have been pure ambrosia.
>>
>> The latest one of these "Souaids" - righteous gentiles all - to step into
>> the spotlight is psychiatrist, Dr. Wafa Sultan. Her February debut on Al
>> Jazeera has attracted over one million listeners on the internet. Sultan
>> doesn't mince words. Pitted for the Al Jazeera interview against an
>> Algerian
>> cleric and an Egyptian professor of religious studies, she opened on the
>> offensive: "The clash we are witnessing around the world is not a clash
>> of
>> religions, or a clash of civilizations. .. It is a clash between
>> civilization and back­wardness. between barbarity and rationality,
>> between
>> freedom and oppression. Civilizations do not clash, but compete."
>>
>> Dr. Sultan was born and raised in a traditional Muslim home in Syria.
>> From
>> grade-school on she was indoctrinated, by her own account, to hate Jews
>> and
>> Israel. After witnessing the brutal murder of her respected medical
>> school
>> professor by two Muslim Brotherhood terrorists, she abandoned her
>> religious
>> beliefs. Soon afterwards, she immigrated to the United States with her
>> husband and children. There, studying in a California hospital, she met
>> Jews
>> for the first time. Before long she embarked on her fight against the
>> anti-Semitism endemic in Muslim society.
>>
>> Sultan incensed her Al Jazeera opponents with a striking observation:
>> "The
>> Jews have come from the tragedy and forced the world to respect them,
>> with
>> their knowledge, not with their terror; with their work, not with their
>> crying and yelling."
>>
>> Dr. Sultan joins the ranks of other Arab heroines like Noni Darwish, a
>> Palestinian who moved to the United States after completing her
>> university
>> studies.
>>
>> Ms Darwish relates memories of her pre-school education: "A Jewish person
>> was portrayed like less than human, a dog, an evil alien from outer
>> space.cursed by G-d and the main mission of Islam was to get rid of
>> Jews."
>>
>> Her father, a prominent military officer mobilized Palestinian forces
>> into
>> Israeli territory and was killed by the Israelis in retaliation.
>> Nevertheless Darwish says, "I blame the Middle Eastern Islamic culture
>> and
>> the propaganda of hatred taught to children from birth." for his death.
>>
>> Brigitte Gabriel, a Christian Lebanese, was ten years old when her home
>> was
>> bombed by Muslims. By the age of twenty, she says, most of her friends
>> had
>> died at the hands of Islamic terrorists. Her first personal encounter
>> with
>> Jews and their compassion was when she rushed her seriously injured
>> mother
>> over the border into Israel for life-saving medical treatment.
>>
>> She says she was "amazed when I saw Americans waking up on September 12,
>> 2001, and asking themselves "Why do they hate us?".they hate us because
>> we
>> are defined in their eyes by one simple word: "infidels" Under the banner
>> of
>> Islam.they murdered Jewish children in Israel, massacred Christians in
>> Lebanon, killed Copts in Egypt, Assyrians in Syria, Hindus in India, and
>> expelled almost 900,000 Jews from Muslim lands. We Middle Eastern
>> infidels
>> paid the price then. Now infidels worldwide are paying the price for
>> indifference and shortsightedness."
>>
>> Gabriel defends Israel and warns of the dangers of "Islamic
>> totalitarianism"
>> by lecturing on American college campuses and through her organization,
>> American Congress for Truth.
>>
>> Last month the New York Times published an op-ed by a Muslim academic at
>> Yale University, Irshad Manji. Entitled: "How I Learned to Love the
>> Wall",
>> it defends the barrier's construction in much the same way as the Israeli
>> government does. "Since the barrier went up", writes Manji, "suicide
>> attacks
>> have plunged, which means innocent Arab lives have been spared along with
>> Jewish ones. Does a concrete effort to save civilian lives justify the
>> hardship posed by this structure? The humanitarian in me bristles, but
>> ultimately answers yes."
>>
>> Ms. Manji is the best-selling author of "The Trouble with Islam Today: A
>> Muslim's Call for Reform in Her Faith" published in 2004. There, on her
>> web-site and in international TV and radio interviews Manji crusades for
>> the
>> emergence of moderate Islam to counter terrorist Islam. She asserts that
>> mainstream Muslims, those who do not actually engage in terrorism, are in
>> denial about the role their religion plays in encouraging the bloodshed.
>> She
>> challenges those who "assure us that Islam is an innocent bystander in
>> today
>> 's terrorism" and points to the video legacies of the terrorists
>> themselves - replete with Koranic quotes - as proof in point.
>>
>> These Christian and Muslim Arabs are more courageous and honest than many
>> of
>> my compatriots. Israeli reserves of these traits are sorely depleted. Too
>> many of us have been, to borrow an image brought by Manji describe her
>> own
>> people, "sticking fingers in our ears and chanting 'Islam means peace'".
>>
>> And if one can judge from our newly elected Prime Minister, then even
>> Israel
>> 's leaders lack the mettle and morals of our tenacious foreign allies.
>> Imagine how uplifted our enemies must have been by Ehud Olmert words
>> several
>> months ago. In an alarming speech to the Israel Policy Forum he conceded:
>> "We are tired of fighting, we are tired of being courageous, we are tired
>> of
>> winning, we are tired of defeating our enemies."
>>
>> He is not far behind another veteran Israeli politician, Shulamit Aloni,
>> who
>> announced in a pre-election interview on national radio "My shame over
>> being
>> an Israeli grows constantly." And a Haaretz columnist, Benny Tzifir, in
>> critiquing the chase, capture and arrest of a Palestinian carrying an
>> explosive belt wrote "We are the ones losing our humanity".
>>
>> We need to extend a supportive hand to these inspirational Arab activists
>> who, unlike Olmert and his cohorts, are wide awake, energetic and proud
>> of
>> Israel. We owe it both to ourselves and to them. Every one of them lives
>> in
>> the shadows of phone and e-mail death threats or "fatwas" from the
>> Muslims
>> they challenge. A New York Times article carelessly revealed the location
>> of
>> Dr. Sultan's residence. Consequently, her supporters have been canvassing
>> private security firms to donate equipment and services for her
>> protection.
>> This is where we Jews could make a concrete donation. We can also support
>> them by arranging radio and TV appearances and live speaking engagements.
>>
>> Representatives of Palestinian terror organizations are routinely hosted
>> on
>> radio and TV. But during the visit to the region that inspired her New
>> York
>> Times op-ed about the security fence, Manji was not interviewed even once
>> by
>> Israeli journalists. Is there no spare air-time for Arabs who are not
>> intent
>> on murdering us?
>>
>> The three leaders of the German White Rose, a brother and sister and
>> friend,
>> were arrested, tried and summarily beheaded by the Nazis in 1943. Their
>> supporters were all subsequently caught and either executed or sent to
>> concentration camps. Their movement's year-long struggle against
>> barbarism
>> (1942-43) never progressed beyond the hand-printing and distribution of
>> anti-Nazi leaflets.
>>
>> We must not allow the latter-day "White Rose" to suffer the same fate.
>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21911

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TOPIC: LA TUMBA OLVIDADA
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Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 1:40 am
From: "PM"

LA TUMBA OLVIDADA

Desde la asunción del gobierno vigente, la motivación central de su política
ha sido la exaltación de los DERECHOS HUMANOS. Loable propósito que
comparto. Se dispuso, a esos efectos, informes de los Comandos de las tres
Fuerzas, en procura de la localización de sepulturas, en predios militares,
de terroristas muertos en esas dependencias, durante el estado de guerra
interna que se vivía.

Informes secretos, que pocos días después de producidos se transcribieran
textualmente en la prensa, además de ser mofa y desconsideración a los
Comandos que los produjeron, llevaron a la localización de enterramientos de
restos humanos. Ello ha motivado un inusitado despliegue publicitario que ya
ha sobresaturado el interés de la opinión pública, aunque aparentemente ha
robustecido la posición de este gobierno marxista.

Es paradójico que quienes violaron sistemáticamente los Derechos Humanos,
mediante secuestros extorsivos, asesinatos, robos, asonadas, atentados, etc.
como método terrorista empleado cuando se levantaron en armas contra un
gobierno democrático, legalmente constituido, tengan por estandarte esa
argumentación.

Es paradójico -pero además parcial- porque se aplica exclusivamente al
sector militar que, en cumplimiento de la situación de guerra interna
declarada por los órganos competentes del Estado, los combatiera y los
venciera, dando pie a fundadas sospechas de venganza y revanchismo. Estas
fundadas sospechas, que empañan los buenos propósitos del gobierno, se
disiparían si, haciendo una revisión total del pasado, se investigara y se
sometiera a la justicia a los sediciosos que, habiendo participado en hechos
de sangre aún no aclarados, no han sido procesados por esos delitos.

También tendría gran significación por la similitud con los enterramientos
recientemente descubiertos aplicar los mismos conceptos y parecido
despliegue publicitario por el enterramiento clandestino de RAMÓN PASCASIO
BAEZ MENA, ocurrido en diciembre de 1971 y descubierto meses después sin la
espectacularidad periodística ni la explotación política del presente.

RAMÓN PASCASIO BAEZ MENA fue asesinado por el terrorista Doctor ISMAEL
BASSINI CAMPIGLIA, MEDIANTE APLICACIÓN INTENCIONAL DE UNA SOBREDOSIS DE
PENTOTAL, previo traicionero engaño y enterrado en el lugar, con complicidad
de varios.

Era un peón rural totalmente ajeno a la lucha que se libraba que, buscando
un caballo, encontró accidentalmente "la tatucera Caraguatá" en la estancia
Spartaco, en la zona de Pan de Azúcar, propiedad de la familia Sclavo. Fue
esa localización involuntaria de este peón rural lo que determinó que se le
asesinara para evitar que comentara su hallazgo, aunque no fuera enemigo en
la lucha que se libraba.

Ese era el respeto a los DERECHOS HUMANOS que tenían los subversivos
terroristas, ahora jueces impolutos que lo mataran y enterraran
clandestinamente.

Esa era la ética médica del terrorista que, aplicando sus conocimientos,
mató intencionalmente a un inocente.

Estos antecedentes, extraídos de documentos oficiales de la época, procuran
ayudar al Gobierno en su loable propósito de defender los DERECHOS HUMANOS
en toda su amplitud y disipar las sospechas de venganza y revanchismo.

Gral. Iván S. Paulós

FLASHESCulturales evoca, desagravia y tributa homenaje

a la memoria de las

VÍCTIMAS INOCENTES -y HOY OLVIDADAS-

DE LA GUERRILLA CRIMINAL

Si todavía hoy no somos otra Cuba es gracias a quienes arriesgaron y
entregaron sus vidas en la lucha contra la guerrilla criminal que intentó
imponernos por la fuerza un modelo de país diametralmente opuesto al que la
mayoría siempre ha deseado. Ese modelo totalitario, radicalmente contrario a
la democracia auténtica, merece ser rechazado tanto cuando se le pretende
imponer a través de la violencia guerrillera como cuando se intenta una vía
incruenta, pacífica y gradual.

Nuestra repulsa al marxismo-leninismo no solo está motivada en la
metodología violenta que utiliza, sino también en su doctrina antinatural e
injusta y en la perversa finalidad perseguida.

Por la MEMORIA TOTAL y la VERDAD COMPLETA

NO a la amnesia deliberadamente parcial y tramposamente hemipléjica para
ocultar las brutalidades de la guerrilla sanguinaria que aterrorizó a la
población.

Recordamos con emoción a los civiles, policías y militares que cayeron
asesinados por la guerrilla criminal. A cada uno de ellos nuestro
reconocimiento, nuestra gratitud y nuestro homenaje.-

Prof. Alexander TORRES MEGA - Dir. Resp. de FLASHES Culturales

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Pese a que, en las últimas elecciones nacionales, la mitad de la población
resistió las maniobras propagandísticas del marxismo y rechazó a la
izquierda en las urnas, hoy tenemos instalado en Uruguay un gobierno que
procura consolidarse para ir haciendo, progresivamente, más nítido su signo
socialista, autoritario y procastrista.

La oscuridad de la noche está cayendo sobre nuestro país.

Es previsible que pronto sea mucho más espesa.

Debemos contribuir a que un nuevo amanecer llegue cuanto antes.

Para ello, hay que influir en la "opinión pública" y actuar, -siempre
respetando el marco jurídico vigente- para encauzar a los sectores sanos de
la población por la senda de la

R E S I S T E N C I A

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AÑO 2006, ALERTA Y RESISTENCIA: DOCUMENTAR y DENUNCIAR

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TOPIC: HOMELAND SECURITY AGENT ARRESTED FOR SEDUCING 14-YR-OLD GIRL
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Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 10:58 pm
From: "0:->"

Greegor wrote:
> Greegor wrote:
>> Do they have a vaginal plesythmograph to weed out
>> pervert women caseworkers?
>
> Kane wrote
>> If they were charged with molesting a child I presume
>> that would be possible. Such a device exists I've been told.
>
> Greg wrote
>> The device exists in a female version?
>
> Greg wrote
>> Oh wait! I forgot caseworkers never even have to
>> get any sort of psych eval!

Why should they? Have they been accused of something by the state?

> Kane wrote
>> Oh? If they are charged with something and they wish
>> to keep their job and are ordered to get one, you are dead wrong.
>
> Um, Kane, CHARGED? Criminally ?
> What if it's just a CPS agency intuition?

CPS doesn't use "intuition." So if there was an accusation based on an
"intuition" there would be on psych eval.

> And.. If they're criminally charged, do you think
> a psych eval is necessary from CPS?

You seem to have noticed what I wrote and instead are substituting thing
you'd like me to have said so you have an argument.

I said "keep their job," so it would be job related. If they were
charged with a crime then CPS would have nothing to do with it, and the
court would, if appropriate, order a psych eval.

You seem perpetually confused, Greg.

> With such an opportunity for child molestors,
> why aren't caseworkers SCREENED AUTOMATICALLY?

That's really funny. Do you have even the faintest notion of how little
a caseworker interacts one to one with a child?

And how much oversight, constantly, all cases undergo from a raft of
people?

Man you are stupid. A parent who is NOT involved with CPS has their
children in the utmost of privacy. A worker has to record every visit
with a child..and they have very few as there are other people covering
contact related issues. The worker does a monthly safety check, usually
IN the foster home placement....OR dummy, in the biological parent's
home for clients NOT placed OUT OF HOME.

Did I mention how stupid you are?

Want a job as a caseworker, Greg. Seems like they run into a lot of
folks with sentiments like yours...or not, depending on your viewpoints
on the use of lethal force against them:

http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/news/texassouthwest/stories/DN-cps_18tex.ART.State.Edition1.22cef27c.html

Can you imagine, Greg, these caseworkers are such cowards. They work
with the same people the police to, but their are armed with words,
unlike the cops who carry guns.

Should be fair, eh?

"CPS caseworkers re-evaluating safety

Woman's death raises concerns about training, self-defense

12:00 AM CST on Saturday, March 18, 2006

/ Associated Press

AUSTIN – In her six years with Child Protective Services, social worker
Holly Jones has been cursed, chased by dogs and run out of homes by
angry parents.

Daily threats are part of the job for caseworkers, who investigate
allegations of child abuse and neglect and often remove children from
their homes.

But the slaying of a social worker in South Texas this week has prompted
Ms. Jones and her colleagues to re-evaluate the steps they take to keep
themselves safe and raise questions about what the state agency can do
to better protect its employees.

Sally Blackwell, 53, was found strangled to death Wednesday, a day after
she failed to show up for work. Her family said she had received threats
in her position as program director, overseeing several offices of
caseworkers. But authorities are still investigating whether her death,
considered a homicide, was related to her job.

The killing comes a year after a woman fired a shotgun at two
caseworkers who had come to her home near Alice after receiving a child
abuse complaint. The caseworkers fled on foot, hiding in a ditch before
walking through darkness to a store a mile away. The woman was convicted
in December of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

Ms. Jones, 28, who recently became a supervisor for a CPS unit in
suburban Austin, said caseworkers need to know how to protect themselves.

"We don't have weapons, we don't have training in self defense, we
didn't go through a police academy, and we're dealing with the same
people they are," Ms. Jones said.

A study released last week by the National Association of Social Workers
found that 55 percent of 5,000 licensed social workers surveyed said
they face personal safety issues on the job. Sixty-eight percent of them
said their employers had not adequately addressed their concerns.

A 2002 association survey of 800 child welfare specialists found 19
percent had been victims of violence; 63 percent had been threatened at
some point in their careers.

In Texas, newly hired caseworkers receive half a day of safety training,
and the issue frequently comes up during the 12-week course as
instructors cover other topics, such as how to conduct a home visit, CPS
spokesman Chris Van Deusen said.

CPS has no way of tracking how many threats its roughly 3,000
caseworkers receive, said Patrick Crimmins, spokesman for the state
Department of Family and Protective Services. But even people who have
spent their entire careers with the agency can remember only a few
instances where threats escalated to violence, he said.

Mr. Crimmins said a couple that visited Ms. Blackwell's office on March
8 raised their voices and made some disparaging remarks, but he didn't
know if it "could be actually described as a threat."

Ms. Jones said caseworkers should be able to run criminal background
checks on family members before they visit a home for the first time.
Instead, they have to call local police officers.

And self-defense training would help, said Ms. Jones, noting that she is
an avid kickboxer and keeps a gun at home for protection.

She wonders if newer employees are as cautious.

"You can tell someone to be alert all the time, but does that really
sink in?" she said."

Here, just for you, little dipwad, to help you and other fools
understand your LIES and bullshit...bit nice informational bit on what a
caseworker is and does:

http://www.naswdc.org/advocacy/updates/2003/082003_a.asp

> Greg wrote
>> Not even that psycho one that claimed hollywood
>> movies were projecting some sort of evil vibes.
>> (You know, the one who broke into the homes
>> of some hollywood movie folks..)
>
> Kane wrote
>> Please prove your allegation.
>
> Greg wrote
>> Um, Kane, Did you forget the caseworker nutcase
>> who became famous for seeing ritual satanic abuse
>> everywhere and broke into hollywood homes?
>> Are you having convenient memory lapses?
>
> Greg wrote
>> Kane, You and I BOTH know there are dozens
>> of pedophiles working in CPS agencies and as
>> contractors, but even if it was only those THREE,
>> have you figured out HOW MANY VICTIMS they
>> violated in such a position?
>
> Kane wrote
>> One, you and I "BOTH" do not know that to
>> be the case. Or you could prove it.
>> Rather than try, you simply post yet another unfounded claim.
>
> Greg wrote
>> Geoffrey Rantz, CPS caseworker Colorado Springs Colorado, now in prison.
>
> Greg wrote
>> Even just one
>> Brian J. Doyle at age 55, could have buggered
>> HUNDREDS of kids in a position of trust.
>
>
> Kane wrote
>> It is highly possible. How does this differ from
>> pedophiles in the general population?
>
> Kane wrote
>> During my practicum to CPS Oregon in 1980-81,
>> I was also employed part time on a student work
>> study grant. (I've discussed this repeatedly
>> here). The reason was they wished to use my
>> professional experience from another field.
>> I was asked to visit women clients with children
>> in the home, single women clients, help them
>> with taking better care of themselves so they
>> could do a better job of keeping their children safe.
>> I don't hate people in trouble with CPS, contrary to
>> lies in this newsgroup claiming I do...I HATE
>> CHILD ABUSE...regardless of the role of
>> the perp.
>> In one of those cases I covered, with a once
>> a week visit and support role to the client a
>> "friend" of the family showed up. My prior
>> work told me that the things I was seeing
>> indicated the likelihood something was
>> going on that was NOT in the best interests
>> of the family and the boy in the family.
>> An investigation ended with charges to only
>> 15 boys involved with the man. There were
>> literally hundreds, but many would not
>> press charges.
>> He was NOT a CPS worker. He was an
>> accountant, and boy scout leader.
>> Does that prove that accountants who
>> are boyscout leaders are predisposed
>> to molest children? No, it does not.
>> There are plenty in any field you can
>> think of, and YOU posted mention of
>> it in this thread earlier.
>
> Greg wrote
>> Actually, Scout Leaders are a notorious position
>> for gay child molestors. Hadn't you ever noticed that?
>
> Greg wrote
>> Then again, NO WONDER so many Child Protection
>> caseworkers imagine pedophilia around every corner,
>> maybe they KNOW their coworker is one!
>
> Kane wrote > More innuendo. Care to show some proof?
>
> Greg ALREADY wrote
>> The Iowa DHS caseworker, Kevin Ray Swartzendruber,
>> who deliberately lied about me having a sex abuse
>> history, had in fact worked with Geoffrey Rantz at a
>> local contractor.
>
> Kane wrote > And that proved ... ?
>
> Greg wrote
>> Possible explanation of caseworker
>> hysteria about sexual abuse, that's all.
>
> Greg wrote
>> Jai, I don't embrace your religious hatred, but
>> your perspective is thought provoking and serves
>> to partly balance other religious hate perspectives.
>
> Kane wrote
>> Ah, just what he fishes for.
>> Enjoy your conversation with a nut case.
>
> Greg wrote
>> Kane, I've been conversing with you haven't I?

I'm kind and considerate. I'll talk to just about anyone.

> Greg wrote
>> I am confused, however, because your religious
>> hostility doesn't seem compatible with Hindu beliefs
>> as my neighbors practice them here.
>
> Kane wrote
>> You can bet on that. For ONCE YOU GOT ONE
>> RIGHT, Greg. He's a phony. And he won't mention
>> to you that what we call molestation here is a
>> cultural given (even though illegal) in some countries
>> where Hindus are in abundance. They "marry" 8 year
>> old little girls to old man. And that includes
>> conjugal activities, Greg.
>>
>> I'm not happy with SOME Hindus,
>
> Greg wrote
>> Who cares if YOU'RE HAPPY with them??

I can't imagine anyone in particular does..since I was discussing my
thoughts, not seeking your approval.
>
> Kane wrote
>> but not ALL adhere to this village practice.
>
> Greg wrote
>> How magnanimous of you not to condemn them all!

I'm not Greg Hanson. Thanks for mentioning that.

It's not magnanimous. It's called decency, the truth, and sticking to
facts. Try it.

> Kane wrote
>> I've asked Jai, who affects an Indian name to
>> chat with some of MY Indian friends, to see if
>> he is in fact, Indian as claimed. He seems to
>> drop the the conversation quickly.
>> Why don't YOU do something useful for a
>> change, and ask YOUR Hindu friends to
>> chat with him about his very 'interesting' beliefs.
>> Be the way, Hinduism includes various sects
>> as Christianity does. Not all are kind and merciful
>> etc. as you believe your neighbors to be.
>
> Greg wrote
>> Yeah, I kinda was wondering if he isn't YOU, Kane,
>> just begging to give your big presentation
>> about Hindu child abuse.

Now you are being your usual stupid self, and saying things will make
people think you are a deliberately harassing twit.

> Greg wrote
>> Is your apparent religious hatred based on some
>> especially strong religious persecution you have suffered?

I have not religious hatred. I hate FOOLS and dangerous thugs.

> Kane wrote
>> No, it's about his blazing ego, nothing more. He's
>> an elaborate self deluding troll.
>
> Kane said this about somebody? :) Bwahahaaha! ROFL

You and Jai.

> Greg wrote
>> Were you born to Hinduism or did you choose it
>> later in life?
>
> Kane wrote
>> R R R R ...where you born with Lisa attached?
>> He's found a niche. Likely he does some phishing
>> for money along the way. Maybe he'll spring
>> it on you at some point.
>
> Greg wrote
>> It'll remind me of dinner with the moonies or
>> the universalist pitch, or all of the MLM pitches!

Such folks are much more sophisticated these days.

> Greg wrote
>> Is there any solution to your personal motivation/anger?
>> What would resolve your religious hatred?
>
> Kane wrote
>> What makes you think he has any?
>> He posts for affect, not facts. Or causes.
>> Are you thinking of joining his sect?
>
> Jai seems to carry anti-christian venom not
> too dissimilar from your own, Kane.

I am not an anti-christian. I'm anti SOME christians. I especially do
not like the Recontructionists variety. You would be a slave under their
system or simply killed out of hand.

> You should turn him on to your rage about
> the "reconstructionists",

They are not your father's Christians, Greg. You need to read their
manifesto. They believe that everyone NOT of their faith (and that
includes CHRISTIANS that are RECONSTRUCTIONISTS) are cattle, used for
slavery and killed out of hand if they are an annoyance.

> you and Mr. Stevens
> could share some common cause on that
> religious hatred!

Would you like me to put you in contact with the only 'Christians' (who
I do not consider Christians at all) I hate, the Reconstructionists?

Before you answer, be sure and read up on them:

[[[ It never occurred to me but YOU might actually like these people..I
shall continue to be a bigot about them. See if you can figure out why.
Frankly pal, I have information that strongly supports that these
weirdos have put on suit, gone undercover and are out to make this
country a Theocracy....via taking over our government. Beware, child. ]]]

http://www.reason.com/9811/col.olson.shtml
..."
Ah, yes, accuracy does count. In a world run by Rushdoony followers,
sots would escape capital punishment--which would make them happy
exceptions indeed. Those who would face execution include not only gays
but a very long list of others: blasphemers, heretics, apostate
Christians, people who cursed or struck their parents, females guilty of
"unchastity before marriage," "incorrigible" juvenile delinquents,
adulterers, and (probably) telephone psychics. And that's to say nothing
of murderers and those guilty of raping married women or "betrothed
virgins." Adulterers, among others, might meet their doom by being
publicly stoned--a rather abrupt way for the Clinton presidency to end.

Mainstream outlets like the Los Angeles Times and The Washington Post
are finally starting to take note of the influence Rushdoony and his
followers have exerted for years in American conservative circles.
"...

http://www.religion-online.org/showarticle.asp?title=234
[[[ Read up, get back to me. I'm curious if this is attractive to you
and you'll defend it. Somehow when I consider your posts, and this
crappola I hear an harmonious chorus. ]]]

"Christian Reconstructionists are unabashedly postmillennial. They
believe the millennium will occur before Christ’s Second Advent. The
movement aims at nothing less than total world transformation. Its basic
creed can be summarized in six points:

l Christ’s kingdom was ushered in almost 2,000 years ago and will
culminate at his Second Coming, a far-off event.

l Meanwhile, every institution of every nation—starting with the
U.S.—needs to be reclaimed for Christ from the grip of Satan and his
humanist minions.

l The Bible—particularly Mosaic Law—offers a perfect blueprint for the
shape such a "reconstructed" society must take. Reconstructionists
believe that an absolute God creates consistent ethical principles for
all time, not just for one people.

l Christian Reconstructionism is a grassroots movement emphasizing
conversion and self-regeneration rather than a top-down revolution
imposed by an ecclesiocracy. Thus the transformation will be a
majoritarian, nonviolent effort, and will likely require centuries to
complete. Followers are prepared for the long haul.

l Politics is one important—but only one—mechanism of reconstructing
society. Christians have a duty to engage in and reform the political
process. "Christians should be involved in politics even if it is
dirty," writes a Reconstructionist author. "Who else has the means to
clean up politics?"

l God has entered into a covenant with America and will shower blessings
on it only so long as some unknown remnant of Americans honors the
covenant by obedience to the Law. Disregard the covenant, and America’s
blessings will be given to others as God renders his judgment. As Gary
North writes in Liberating Planet Earth, "The United States is only one
of several ‘authorized distributors’ of Christianity, and if its people
cease to be faithful, this ‘distributorship’ will pass to others entirely."

Reconstructionism’s scope of time and change is vast. A society so
reconstructed is not merely amended but rather razed and rebuilt. For
example, Reconstructionist books and newsletters reveal that in a
Reconstructed America minimum-wage laws and Social Security for younger
workers would be eliminated; most old-age security would be covered by
personal retirement plans or by care from adult children; and the
federal government would play absolutely no part in regulating
businesses, public education or welfare. In this brave new world of
radical libertarian economics, all inheritance and gift taxes would be
abolished, while income taxes would be no more than 10 percent of gross
income (and then only until government was shrunk further). Gleaning for
the poor on private farms after harvesting would be encouraged. All
banks would be required to hold 100 percent reserves, and America would
return to a gold and silver standard. Because of biblical injunctions
against usury, no loans—including home mortgages—would be given for
longer than seven years.

Various social customs would change under the appropriated Law of the
ancient Israelites. Strict patriarchy would return to the family, and
the practice of indentured servitude would turn prisons into temporary
holding places, end unemployment and keep problem teenagers busy.
Following Old Testament law, the criminal-justice system would get
tougher on homosexuals, blasphemers, career criminals, Sabbath-breakers,
adulterers, incorrigibly misbehaving older children and nonbelievers.

Since Reconstructionists maintain that God’s blessings flow to a nation
that honors its covenant, they foresee practical benefits to a
Reconstructed America. People would enjoy longevity (a foretaste of
eternal life), sustained population growth over many generations
(Reconstructionists believe that world overpopulation is a myth), and
material prosperity under their dominion. To be fair, Reconstructionist
authors do not posit a guaranteed cause-and-effect relationship between
obedience and prosperity, but it is easy to see in their writings an
easy slide into the health-and-wealth gospel.

As radical as the Reconstruction vision is, most liberal and mainstream
Christians are unaware of Christian Reconstructionism unless they keep
their fingers close to the pulse of evangelicalism. And even among
evangelicals many would not recognize the movement’s name, though most
likely they have heard terms like "dominion" thrown around. But many
others will be familiar with the hundred-plus Reconstructionist books
written by Gary North, Gary DeMar, David Chilton, Greg Bahnsen and
others available in Christian bookstores across America.

The Reconstructionist movement began in the 1960s under the influence of
Cornelius Van Til, the Dutch-American Calvinist philosopher now retired
from Westminster Theological Seminary in Philadelphia. North refers to
Van Til as the "patron philosopher" of Christian Reconstructionism. (Van
Til himself has always denied that he is a Reconstructionist.)

However, the movement gained no intellectual foothold until the 1973
publication of Rousas John Rushdoony’s Institutes of Biblical Law, a
900-page two-volume tome expounding the implications of the Bible for
every sphere of life. Rushdoony (of Armenian heritage) studied at the
University of California at Berkeley during the 1940s where he was
influenced by the great medievalist Ernst Kantorowicz. He received his
doctorate in educational philosophy and subsequently developed rather
grandiose expectations about his contributions to Christian theology. An
avowed Calvinist (though he reportedly considers Calvin a minor
intellect), Rushdoony transparently patterned the title of his seminal
work after Calvin’s Institutes of the Christian Religion.

Rushdoony, now in his 70s, has written more than 30 books on such topics
as education, law and population while serving as director of the
Chalcedon Foundation in Vallecito, California. He has influenced a
generation of Reconstructionist authors now entering middle age, such as
North, his son-in-law and president of the Institute for Christian
Economics in Tyler, Texas, and DeMar, president of American Vision in
Atlanta. There are currently five think-tank ministries for Christian
Reconstructionism in Texas, Georgia and California. Along with Dominion
Press in Fort Worth, Texas, they churn out newsletters, special reports
and monographs that spell out the details of the biblical outline of
society.

Needless to say, Christian Reconstructionism upsets many
premillennialist and dispensationalist Christians with its eschatology.
The movement assumes an optimistic reading of history more
characteristic of 19th-century Christianity. One common idea among its
promoters, for example, is that of social sanctification or "the
leavening influences on the entire culture" spilling over from personal
regeneration along Reconstructionist lines. Reconstructionists leave
little doubt that they are consciously imitating the Puritans of the
early 17th century in establishing "a city on a hill" and calling on the
New Testament (e.g., Matt. 5:14; 28:18) for justification.

Many premillennialists condemn this notion. In March the Assemblies of
God, the largest Pentecostal denomination, responding in large part to
the spread of Reconstructionism, denounced postmillennialism as heresy.
Evangelical speaker Dave Hunt, coauthor of the evangelical potboiler The
Seduction of Christianity, has even tried to link the movement to New
Age phenomena. For their part, Reconstructionists accuse the
premillennialists of "leaving the battlefield" and abandoning society to
the humanists.

Mainline Christians who follow the movement are no less disturbed. Not
only would Reconstructionists roll back painfully won civil and
political reforms, but religious liberty itself would be at risk.
Rushdoony, for example, sees no place in a Reconstructed society for the
panoply of Jews, Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, Baha’is, humanists,
atheists and non- Reconstructionist Christians that make up American
religious pluralism. Were it to be otherwise, he maintains, "in the name
of toleration, the believer is asked to associate on a common level of
total acceptance with the atheist, the pervert, the criminal and the
adherents of other religions." The Reconstructionist call is not for a
republic neutral toward religion. The First Amendment’s establishment
clause would be an early casualty.

Rushdoony has made the rather absurd claim that there are currently 20
million Reconstructionists in America. More cautious, North estimates
that between 25,000 and 40,000 names are on subscription lists for
various movement materials. But the spread of Christian
Reconstructionism is not limited to mailing lists, the shelves of
religious bookstores or small discussion sessions in evangelical
churches. There is reason to suspect that Christian Reconstructionists
influenced Pat Robertson to consider throwing off the fatalism of his
former premillennialism and run for president. At Robertson’s CBN
University, Joseph Kickasola, a faculty member in the School of Public
Policy, and Herbert Titus, dean of its School of Law, are both
Reconstructionist writers. Robertson’s best-selling 1982 book The Secret
Kingdom, written after the first Washington for Jesus rally and while he
was beginning seriously to consider running for public office, could
qualify as a primer on dominion theology.

However, a major tactical problem of Christian Reconstructionism is the
quality of its intellectual fruits. Rushdoony’s prose is ponderous;
probably even most Reconstructionists have never read Institutes of
Biblical Law. North’s Biblical Blueprint series is easy to read, but
North, DeMar and other writers are often redundant, and they dance
around the specifics of actualizing Reconstruction by appealing to
simplistic Manichaean thinking. Assertions such as "The humanists have
brainwashed Christians when it comes to the Biblical meaning of
theocracy" or "Men will be ruled by God, or else they will be ruled by
men who imitate God" (from the foreward to DeMar’s Ruler of the Nations)
remind one of the caricatures of the good-guy Christians versus bad-guy
secular humanists found in pop-evangelical books such as Tim LaHaye’s
Battle for the Mind.

Christian Reconstructionism offers a formula for reinstituting moral
authority and control in a society supposedly faced with chaos and
lawlessness. Therein doubtlessly lies part of its appeal. And the
history of American religion demonstrates that a segment of Christianity
has always wished to equate America with the epicenter of the
millennium. But increasing numbers of evangelical as well as liberal
Christians realize that the price required to build Reconstructionism’s
"city on a hill" is too high: it would mean the scrapping of their own
hard-won religious and civil freedoms.

"

R R R ...try looking for any religious hatred from me. I in fact am a
supporter of religions of all kinds, including the on Jai insults.

I simply am not a theist myself. I don't have to love someone to accept
them, and I accept religious people.

It's only the madmen extremists I don't like, from any sect or religion.

And I sure as hell don't accept the extremist varieties of religion.

Do YOU?

The ones that are fueled by racism? The ones that base their religion on
anti government rhetoric?

enjoy.....0:->

--
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what
to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 11:23 pm
From: lvr_phnx@some.bar (Maitake)

"0:->" <pohaku.kane@gmail.com>Jagged off:
<skirtpissoff>
When are you going to decide that you are a lost cause shitface? Hey who's
fucking your wife? Slurrpie me.
Li]

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TOPIC: Hu's visit to the USA ....to be cancelled or postponed ?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/dc57d1554f400f9c
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 10:59 pm
From: bmoore@nyx.net

Bad boy wrote:
> <bmoore@nyx.net> wrote in message
> news:1143262569.273599.274910@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >............. Like, it was going to be a state visit
> >and then something changed. There was no "downgrading". That's the
> >point.
>
> You are full of shit.
> Now Hu's visit is "downgraded". The USA will NOT
> treat Hu as the head of China, the leader of 1.3 billion
> Chinese.

No, not quite. An idiot who calls himself "bad boy" says without any
kind of evidence at all that the visit was "downgraded". I will
continue to treat you as an ignorant, angry 3 year old.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 11:07 pm
From: bmoore@nyx.net

Bad boy wrote:
> <bmoore@nyx.net> wrote in message
> news:1143504356.677991.102260@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> garbage is dumped, deleted.
> >
> > A change requires a before and an after. No change was announced. This
> > is your last chance, I've been more than patient regarding this idiocy.
> >
>
> Garbage deleted.

You're a dumb little boy, and sadly, you haven't figured that out.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 2:10 pm
From: "Bad boy"

<bmoore@nyx.net> wrote in message
news:1144389570.958882.192000@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Garbage deleted.

Bad boy.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 2:10 pm
From: "Bad boy"

<bmoore@nyx.net> wrote in message
news:1144390069.547461.93250@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...S

Smelly shit deleted.

Bad boy

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TOPIC: Carta de una abuela a su nieto / Efrén Barazarte
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/57acf36fda99e889
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 1:46 am
From: "PM"

RV:

Carta de una abuela a su nieto bolivariano

Efrén Barazarte

Mire mijito, compatriota de la República de los Huecos Bolivarianos, hágale
caso a su viejita. Cuando vaya a votar y esté con el lapicero en la mano o
frente a la computadora, recuerde que su voto es importante y que estará
ejerciendo una decisión propia, un verdadero ejercicio de libertad. Cuando
elija al futuro presidente de Huecolandia, si existen condiciones
electorales, recuerde por el amor de Dios que a Venezuela le duelen los
siguientes guisos aliñados: Despilfarro Cívico-Militar, Caez (Central
Azucarero Ezequiel Zamora) monto: Tres millardos de bolívares. Denuncia de
compra de una finca por 1,3 millardos realizados por un ex ministro de
Interior y Justicia. Y toma tu tomate: Pérdida por 800 millones de bolívares
invertidos en una planta procesadora de tomates entregados por comodato a la
Caja de Ahorros de la Guardia Nacional que invirtió 370 millones junto a un
crédito especial por 947 millones de Fonzenes. En el estado Yaracuy, quieren
establecer una industria maderera, en las adyacencias del río Guama. Talan y
matan al río. Y el Ministerio de Ambiente=Misterio de Ambiente junto al
Ministerio Público, bien gracias. Recuerde mijo, que lo que empieza mal,
termina mal. ¿Qué más ejemplo que el viaducto Caracas-La Guaira? Al menos
que usted crea que Bush llamó a ese que llaman Rambo para que dinamitara en
persona, cara pintada y camuflajeada, las bases del viaducto. Cuando vaya a
votar, recuerde desde cuándo no ve en su mesa una latica de sardina, esas
sardinitas que ponen loco a más de uno, acompañadas un domingo por la mañana
con arepas calientes. Recuerde que jamás en la historia de este país hemos
visto tanto billete junto y es precisamente en ese momento donde hay más
huecos en las calles y más pobreza endógena. Niños en la calle, indigentes y
vendedores de estampitas. ¿Recuerda que en Venezuela hay más muertos cada
día que en Irak, y pensar que el Gobierno se entretiene, cuestionando
aquella guerra, y que mueren un promedio de un preso por día en nuestras
cárceles? ¿Y los atracos? En siete años de gobierno, bien gracias, sin un
plan de contingencia para la delincuencia. Vea bien la vaina mijito cuando
vaya a votar. ¿Usted cree que el Mercal hace de Venezuela un país en vías de
desarrollo? ¿Usted se imagina en el futuro a su hijo, comprando en el Mercal
productos importados? ¿Usted no recuerda la promesa del llamado Milagro
Agrícola? La verdad mijo, que en este país la gata no puede sentarse en la
betea, porque ya no hay batea.. Usted sabía que mientras en el barrio no hay
luz eléctrica, el gobierno venezolano dio 20 millones de dólares para el
alumbrado eléctrico de La Habana? Seguramente su hijo le haría falta una
computadora para las tareas... y... Epa, piense que va a votar y cuando esté
en la cola puede pensar en el despilfarro del Bolívar de yeso, de más de 900
millones de bolívares que el Gobierno patrocinó en el Carnaval burdelero de
Brasil. Ay mijito, antes de sufragar, piense que el 70% de los puentes del
país no tienen buena salud y que sólo el 36% de las carreteras de Venezuela
están asfaltadas y eso que han pasado siete años con opulencia petrolera.
Pero hay algo, más endocrino que endógeno. Si usted emite una opinión
contraria, es traidor a la patria. Es ahijado de Bush o del conde Drácula.
Mi abuelo que en paz descanse no se equivocó cuando decía que es más fácil
echarle la culpa a los otros, de nuestros errores. Por eso es más fácil
llamarse revolucionario azucarero y zamorano, que tener la libertad del
pensamiento propio, comandado no por un comandante, sino por la propia
conciencia. Que Dios te bendiga...-

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que piensa, no es un hombre honrado. Un hombre que obedece a un mal
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Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 1:47 am
From: "PM"

EL OBSERVANTE
... un espacio abierto a la libertad de expresión

Decálogo del populismo iberoamericano, por Enrique Krauze
2006-02-22 00:00:00

Redacción

El populismo en Iberoamérica ha adoptado una desconcertante amalgama de
posturas ideológicas. Izquierdas y derechas podrían reivindicar para sí la
paternidad del populismo, todas al conjuro de la palabra mágica: "pueblo".
Populista quintaesencial fue el general Juan Domingo Perón, quien había
atestiguado directamente el ascenso del fascismo italiano y admiraba a
Mussolini al grado de querer "erigirle un monumento en cada esquina".
Populista posmoderno es el comandante Hugo Chávez, quien venera a Castro
hasta buscar convertir a Venezuela en una colonia experimental del "nuevo
socialismo". Los extremos se tocan, son cara y cruz de un mismo fenómeno
político cuya caracterización, por tanto, no debe intentarse por la vía de
su contenido ideológico, sino de su funcionamiento. Propongo 10 rasgos
específicos.

1) El populismo exalta al líder carismático. No hay populismo sin la figura
del hombre providencial que resolverá, de una buena vez y para siempre, los
problemas del pueblo. "La entrega al carisma del profeta, del caudillo en la
guerra o del gran demagogo", recuerda Max Weber, "no ocurre porque lo mande
la costumbre o la norma legal, sino porque los hombres creen en él. Y él
mismo, si no es un mezquino advenedizo efímero y presuntuoso, 'vive para su
obra'. Pero es a su persona y a sus cualidades a las que se entrega el
discipulado, el séquito, el partido".

2) El populista no sólo usa y abusa de la palabra: se apodera de ella. La
palabra es el vehículo específico de su carisma. El populista se siente el
intérprete supremo de la verdad general y también la agencia de noticias del
pueblo. Habla con el público de manera constante, atiza sus pasiones,
"alumbra el camino", y hace todo ello sin limitaciones ni intermediarios.
Weber apunta que el caudillaje político surge primero en los Estado-ciudad
del Mediterráneo en la figura del "demagogo". Aristóteles (Política, V)
sostiene que la demagogia es la causa principal de "las revoluciones en las
democracias" y advierte una convergencia entre el poder militar y el poder
de la retórica que parece una prefiguración de Perón y Chávez: "En los
tiempos antiguos, cuando el demagogo era también general, la democracia se
transformaba en tiranía; la mayoría de los antiguos tiranos fueron
demagogos". Más tarde se desarrolló la habilidad retórica y llegó la hora de
los demagogos puros: "Ahora quienes dirigen al pueblo son los que saben
hablar". Hace veinticinco siglos esa distorsión de la verdad pública (tan
lejana a la democracia como la sofística de la filosofía) se desplegaba en
el Ágora real; en el siglo XX lo hace en el Ágora virtual de las ondas
sonoras y visuales: de Mussolini (y de Goebbels) Perón aprendió la
importancia política de la radio, que Evita y él utilizarían para hipnotizar
a las masas. Chávez, por su parte, ha superado a su mentor Castro en
utilizar hasta el paroxismo la oratoria televisiva.

3) El populismo fabrica la verdad. Los populistas llevan hasta sus últimas
consecuencias el proverbio latino "Vox populi, Vox dei". Pero como Dios no
se manifiesta todos los días y el pueblo no tiene una sola voz, el gobierno
"popular" interpreta la voz del pueblo, eleva esa versión al rango de verdad
oficial, y sueña con decretar la verdad única. Como es natural, los
populistas abominan de la libertad de expresión. Confunden la crítica con la
enemistad militante, por eso buscan desprestigiarla, controlarla, acallarla.
En la Argentina peronista, los diarios oficiales y nacionalistas -incluido
un órgano nazi- contaban con generosas franquicias, pero la prensa libre
estuvo a un paso de desaparecer. La situación venezolana, con la "ley
mordaza" pendiendo como una espada sobre la libertad de expresión, apunta en
el mismo sentido: terminará aplastándola.

4) El populista utiliza de modo discrecional los fondos públicos. No tiene
paciencia con las sutilezas de la economía y las finanzas. El erario es su
patrimonio privado que puede utilizar para enriquecerse y/o para embarcarse
en proyectos que considere importantes o gloriosos, sin tomar en cuenta los
costos. El populista tiene un concepto mágico de la economía: para él, todo
gasto es inversión. La ignorancia o incomprensión de los gobiernos
populistas en materia económica se ha traducido en desastres descomunales de
los que los países tardan decenios en recobrarse.

5) El populista reparte directamente la riqueza. Lo cual no es criticable en
sí mismo (sobre todo en países pobres hay argumentos sumamente serios para
repartir en efectivo una parte del ingreso, al margen de las costosas
burocracias estatales y previniendo efectos inflacionarios), pero el
populista no reparte gratis: focaliza su ayuda, la cobra en obediencia.

"¡Ustedes tienen el deber de pedir!", exclamaba Evita a sus beneficiarios.

Se creó así una idea ficticia de la realidad económica y se entronizó una
mentalidad becaria. Y al final, ¿quién pagaba la cuenta? No la propia Evita
(que cobró sus servicios con creces y resguardó en Suiza sus cuentas
multimillonarias), sino las reservas acumuladas en décadas, los propios
obreros con sus donaciones "voluntarias" y, sobre todo, la posteridad
endeudada, devorada por la inflación. En cuanto a Venezuela (cuyo caudillo
parte y reparte los beneficios del petróleo), hasta las estadísticas
oficiales admiten que la pobreza se ha incrementado, pero la improductividad
del asistencialismo (tal como Chávez lo practica) sólo se sentirá en el
futuro, cuando los precios se desplomen o el régimen lleve hasta sus últimas
consecuencias su designio dictatorial.

6) El populista alienta el odio de clases. "Las revoluciones en las
democracias", explica Aristóteles, citando "multitud de casos", "son
causadas sobre todo por la intemperancia de los demagogos". El contenido de
esa "intemperancia" fue el odio contra los ricos: "Unas veces por su
política de delaciones... y otras atacándolos como clase (los demagogos)
concitan contra ellos al pueblo". Los populistas latinoamericanos
corresponden a la definición clásica, con un matiz: hostigan a "los ricos"
(a quienes acusan a menudo de ser "antinacionales"), pero atraen a los
"empresarios patrióticos" que apoyan al régimen. El populista no busca por
fuerza abolir el mercado: supedita a sus agentes y los manipula a su favor.

7) El populista moviliza permanentemente a los grupos sociales. El populismo
apela, organiza, enardece a las masas. La plaza pública es un teatro donde
aparece "Su Majestad El Pueblo" para demostrar su fuerza y escuchar las
invectivas contra "los malos" de dentro y fuera. "El pueblo", claro, no es
la suma de voluntades individuales expresadas en un voto y representadas por
un Parlamento; ni siquiera la encarnación de la "voluntad general" de
Rousseau, sino una masa selectiva y vociferante que caracterizó otro clásico
(Marx, no Carlos, sino Groucho): "El poder para los que gritan el poder para
el pueblo".

8) El populismo fustiga por sistema al "enemigo exterior". Inmune a la
crítica y alérgico a la autocrítica, necesitado de señalar chivos
expiatorios para los fracasos, el régimen populista (más nacionalista que
patriota) requiere desviar la atención interna hacia el adversario de fuera.
La Argentina peronista reavivó las viejas (y explicables) pasiones
antiestadounidenses que hervían en Iberoamérica desde la guerra del 98, pero
Castro convirtió esa pasión en la esencia de su régimen, un triste régimen
definido por lo que odia, no por lo que ama, aspira o logra. Por su parte,
Chávez ha llevado la retórica antiestadounidense a expresiones de bajeza que
aun Castro consideraría (tal vez) de mal gusto. Al mismo tiempo hace
representar en las calles de Caracas simulacros de defensa contra una
invasión que sólo existe en su imaginación, pero que un sector importante de
la población venezolana (adversa, en general, al modelo cubano) termina por
creer.

9) El populismo desprecia el orden legal. Hay en la cultura política
iberoamericana un apego atávico a la "ley natural" y una desconfianza a las
leyes hechas por el hombre. Por eso, una vez en el poder (como Chávez) el
caudillo tiende a apoderarse del Congreso e inducir la "justicia directa"
("popular, bolivariana"), remedo de Fuenteovejuna que, para los efectos
prácticos, es la justicia que el propio líder decreta. Hoy por hoy, el
Congreso y la Judicatura son un apéndice de Chávez, igual que en Argentina
lo eran de Perón y Evita, quienes suprimieron la inmunidad parlamentaria y
depuraron, a su conveniencia, al Poder Judicial.

10) El populismo mina, domina y, en último término, domestica o cancela las
instituciones de la democracia liberal. El populismo abomina de los límites
a su poder, los considera aristocráticos, oligárquicos, contrarios a la
"voluntad popular". En el límite de su carrera, Evita buscó la candidatura a
la vicepresidencia de la República. Perón se negó a apoyarla. De haber
sobrevivido, ¿es impensable imaginarla tramando el derrocamiento de su
marido? No por casualidad, en sus aciagos tiempos de actriz radiofónica,
había representado a Catalina la Grande. En cuanto a Chávez, ha declarado
que su horizonte mínimo es el año 2020.

¿Por qué renace una y otra vez en Iberoamérica la mala yerba del populismo?
Las razones son diversas y complejas, pero apunto dos. En primer lugar,
porque sus raíces se hunden en una noción muy antigua de "soberanía popular"
que los neoescolásticos del siglo XVI y XVII propagaron en los dominios
españoles y que tuvo una influencia decisiva en las guerras de Independencia
desde Buenos Aires hasta México. El populismo tiene, por añadidura, una
naturaleza perversamente "moderada" o "provisional": no termina por ser
plenamente dictatorial ni totalitario; por eso alimenta sin cesar la
engañosa ilusión de un futuro mejor, enmascara los desastres que provoca,
posterga el examen objetivo de sus actos, doblega la crítica, adultera la
verdad, adormece, corrompe y degrada el espíritu público.

Para calibrar los peligros que se ciernen sobre la región, los líderes
iberoamericanos y sus contrapartes españolas, reunidos todos en Salamanca,
harían muy bien en releer a Aristóteles, nuestro contemporáneo. Desde los
griegos hasta el siglo XXI, pasando por el aterrador siglo XX, la lección es
clara: el inevitable efecto de la demagogia es "subvertir a la democracia".

Enrique Krauze es escritor mexicano, director de la revista Letras Libres y
autor, entre otros libros, de Travesía liberal.
Fuente: El País

Colaborción de Inÿffffe9s Betancourt

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Solo la opresión debe temer al pleno ejercicio de la libertad. Libertad es
el derecho que todo hombre tiene a ser honrado, y a pensar y a hablar sin
hipocresía. Un hombre que oculta lo que piensa, o no se atreve a decir lo
que piensa, no es un hombre honrado. Un hombre que obedece a un mal
gobierno, sin trabajar para que el gobierno sea bueno, no es un hombre
honrado.

José Martí

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Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 2:03 am
From: "Geoff"

*plonk*

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TOPIC: COMUNICADO DE PRENSA DE M.A.R. POR CUBA: Paris, Francia / REUNION DE
TRABAJO CON EL VICE PRESIDENTE DE LA ASAMBLEA NACIONAL FRANCESA
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Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 1:49 am
From: "PM"

Date: 6 avril, 2006 10:57

COMUNICADO DE PRENSA DE M.A.R. POR CUBA

REUNION DE TRABAJO CON EL VICE PRESIDENTE DE LA ASAMBLEA NACIONAL FRANCESA

Paris , Francia - 5 de abril del 2006 - Una delegacion compuesta por
representantes de M .A.R. POR CUBA, Plantados Hasta la Libertad y la
Democracia , familiares de prisioneros politicos cubanos , Damas de Blanco y
periodistas fue recibida en la mañana de hoy por el Vice Presidente de la
Asamblea Nacional Francesa y Diputado, Sr . Yves Bur , en la sede de la
institucion .

La ex Ministra francesa , Francoise Hostalier, en su intervencion especial a
nombre del Colectivo Solidaridad Cuba Libre y la Asociacion de Derechos del
Hombre , expuso la importancia de la solidaridad francesa e internacional
con los prisioneros politicos cubanos, y la lucha por la democracia en Cuba.

Sylvia Iriondo hablo sobre la realidad cubana , el hostigamiento desatado
contra la oposicion democratica, las condiciones infrahumanas en que
extinguen sus condenas los prisioneros politicos cubanos y la importancia de
negar el ingreso del regimen castrista al recien creado Consejo de Derechos
Humanos de las Naciones Unidas.

Blanca Gonzalez, madre del prisionero politico Normando Hernandez Gonzalez,
recabo la solidaridad internacional para obtener la libertad de su hijo y el
resto de los prisioneros politicos.

Sonia Barge, representante de Plantados, hizo un resumen de los modos en que
puede ayudarse a los prisioneros politicos y sus familiares.

El representante de Reporteros Sin Fronteras , Benoit Herviu , destaco las
campanas realizadas por su organizacion y las proyectadas para un futuro
inmediato a favor de los periodistas independientes encarcelados en Cuba.

Yolanda Huerga pidio el apoyo de la comunidad internacional para las Damas
de Blanco que cada Domingo desfilan en La Habana reclamando la libertad de
sus familiares :

El ex prisionero politico y periodista cubano, Manuel Vazquez Portal, abogo
por la liberacion de los 333 prisioneros de conciencia que languidecen en
las carceles cubanas e hizo una peticion especial a favor de Normando
Hernandez , Juan Carlos Herrera y Oscar Elias Biscet , en representacion del
presidio politico cubano :

Durante la reunion, los diputados franceses que apadrinan a los presos
politicos reiteraron su compromiso de continuar las gestiones necesarias
para la liberacion de todos.

Los medios de prensa cubrieron la reunion y entrevistaron a los
participantes, destacando la importancia del encuentro.

El tema de la alianza de los gobiernos de La Habana y Caracas fue presentado
por los activistas exiliados como una amenaza a la estabilidad y seguridad
del Hemisferio Occidental.

Tanto los funcionarios del gobierno frances, como los participantes cubanos
exiliados se sintieron satisfechos con los resultados de la reunion.

Para mayor información:
Sylvia G. Iriondo
marporcuba@aol.com
www.marporcuba.org

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LLAMADO URGENTE POR LA VIDA DEL DOCTOR GUILLERMO FARIÑAS EN CUBA

Puente Informativo Cuba Miami y Net for Cuba International, alertan:

Guillermo Fariñas Hernández, Psicólogo y Director de la Agencia
Independiente Cubanacán Press, se declaró en huelga de hambre y sed el
pasado
31 de enero del presente año, en la ciudad de Santa Clara, Cuba,
demandando a que el gobierno de Castro le instale libre acceso a Internet
desde su hogar. Hasta el momento, el régimen se ha negado a cumplir esta
demanda y el Dr. Fariñas, está a punto de morir. Apelamos a la
conciencia de todas las personas de buena voluntad que reciban este llamado
urgente, para que se exija al régimen de Fidel Castro, se le permita al Dr.
Fariñas acceso libre a Internet. ¡No queremos otro mártir más por la
libertad y la justicia en Cuba! ¡Ya suman decenas de miles! ¡Basta ya!

Por la vida del Dr. Guillermo Fariñas y su justo reclamo,
dirija su comunicación a:

Fidel Castro Ruz
Presidente de los Consejos de Estados y de Ministros,
La Habana, Cuba.
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hipocresía. Un hombre que oculta lo que piensa, o no se atreve a decir lo
que piensa, no es un hombre honrado. Un hombre que obedece a un mal
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José Martí

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Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 1:50 am
From: "PM"

Objet: Date: 6 avril, 2006 22:55

La Habana, 6 de marzo del 2006

Sra. Teresa Heinz-Kerry

Fundación Tide

Directivos, accionistas y personas relacionadas con I.G.C y A.P.C.

TODA PERSONA QUE SIENTA QUE UN HOMBRE MUERA POR PROTESTAR POR SU PRIVACION
DE DERECHOS:

Me dirijo primeramente a la Sra. Heinz-Kerry y a las entidades mencionadas
porque por fines benéficos o lucrativos, ustedes conectaron a Internet al
gobierno de Cuba y ello permite a éste privilegiar a unos pocos y
discriminar a la mayoría de los cubanos con permisos estatales para
comunicar por Internet. Efectuar propaganda internacionalmente para engañar
a la opinión pública mundial sobre los problemas y violaciones de los
derechos humanos imperantes en Cuba. Influir con su propaganda para sus
fines reconocidos de exportar el "modelo" cubano para que haga metástasis
por América y el mundo.

También esta conexión a Internet permite que luchadores por los derechos
humanos y periodistas independientes puedan transmitir noticias sobre la
realidad cubana comunicándose a través de embajadas extranjeras, lo que
aprovecha el Estado para acusarnos de "mercenarios al servicio de potencia
extranjera y encarcelarnos con ese pretexto.

Un preso de conciencia, bajo licencia extrapenal periodista independiente,
está próximo a morir por una huelga de hambre en que reclama libre acceso a
Internet para su labor y el cumplimiento del derecho humano a la
información. Derecho del que goza cualquier escolar en otros países. Su
huelga de hambre data de 62 días, por lo que puede morir en cualquier
instante, incluso si abandona su huelga. Ya sufría parálisis por la
extenuación que le produjeron las condiciones del presidio en Cuba y otras
huelgas, ahora sufre, ya daños irreversibles, para su salud y calidad de
vida. Se llama Guillermo Fariñas Hernández.

Los maltratos y vejaciones empujan a estas protestas extremas.

Juan Carlos Herrera Acosta, otro periodista condenado a 20 años de prisión
por ejercer la libertad de prensa, se sumó a esta protesta y golpeado por
sus carceleros, se cosió la boca el 23 de marzo. El 30 de marzo llevaba 25
días en huelga de hambre.

Amnistía Internacional conoce de sus casos y los calificó de presos de
conciencia, Reporteros sin Fronteras informó sobre esta tragedia, hizo un
llamado al régimen de Castro para que muestre clemencia.

Ustedes están involucrados en el uso político y discriminatorio que el
Estado cubano hace de la Internet. Depende de ustedes para ese uso.

Ustedes pueden y los creo en tal obligación moral, sumarse al pedido de
clemencia e impedir que sus redes informáticas sirvan a la violación de
derechos humanos elementales y sean mecanismo de acoso en manos de la
policía política lo cual cuesta la vida ahora a Guillermo Fariñas por su
rebelión.

Hagan por Fariñas, Herrera Acosta y los cubanos lo que harían por cualquier
animal en peligro de extinción.

Pongo este ejemplo porque parece que los siglos de legalidad y el actual
disfrute de derechos y bienestar material hace a personas de ciertos países
como Canadá excesivamente neutrales ante estas miserias.

Así, por favor, imagínense que los cubanos no somos seres humanos, sino
animales cuyas muertes por hambre y maltratos pueden inspirarles simpatías a
ustedes.

Aun pueden ustedes salvar estas vidas, abogar por derechos en Cuba o lavarse
las manos como aquellos banqueros suizos que, muy neutrales guardaban en las
bóvedas de sus bancos los dientes de oro que el Tercer Reich arrancaba a los
judíos en sus campos de concentración.

Jaime Leygonier Fernández
Periodista Independiente

(Documento original en file adjunto)

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LLAMADO URGENTE POR LA VIDA DEL DOCTOR GUILLERMO FARIÑAS EN CUBA

Puente Informativo Cuba Miami y Net for Cuba International, alertan:

Guillermo Fariñas Hernández, Psicólogo y Director de la Agencia
Independiente Cubanacán Press, se declaró en huelga de hambre y sed el
pasado
31 de enero del presente año, en la ciudad de Santa Clara, Cuba,
demandando a que el gobierno de Castro le instale libre acceso a Internet
desde su hogar. Hasta el momento, el régimen se ha negado a cumplir esta
demanda y el Dr. Fariñas, está a punto de morir. Apelamos a la
conciencia de todas las personas de buena voluntad que reciban este llamado
urgente, para que se exija al régimen de Fidel Castro, se le permita al Dr.
Fariñas acceso libre a Internet. ¡No queremos otro mártir más por la
libertad y la justicia en Cuba! ¡Ya suman decenas de miles! ¡Basta ya!

Por la vida del Dr. Guillermo Fariñas y su justo reclamo,
dirija su comunicación a:

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TOPIC: ANazit@hotmail.com Makes Nazis Look Like Saints
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 6:06 am
From: flaviaR@verizon.net

On 6-Apr-2006, "docremington" <docremington@safe-mail.net> wrote:

> Theodore Herzl wrote:

[snip lies]

> According to the Guardian, they were "making a documentary about the
> suffering of Palestinian children.". What "children" did they,
> possibly, hope to find on a dark moonless night, with a night-vision
> device, "suffering" around an APC?

Now, do you think NaziTed is going to make a completely non
sequitur reply, lie flat-out, or just run like the coward that he is?

Susan

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 6:07 am
From: flaviaR@verizon.net

I see that he chose the non sequitur option, and will
contuinue to avoid unpleasant facts about his lies.

Susan

On 6-Apr-2006, "docremington" <docremington@safe-mail.net> wrote:

> Theodore Herzl wrote:
> > Like the Nazis you idolize, you struggle to find a way to blame the
> > victim of the crime when what needs to be asked is why the IDF thug
> > shot him.
> >
>
>
> There is a nice sketch here:
> http://www.fmft.net/archives/gazaplan/gazasketch.gif
> Why did they left the building and set out toward an active APC,
> positioned in about 100 m from the building at the border with Egypt,
> in an area, known to erupt into gunfire at any time, and were filming
> it too? It is evident that, if they wanted to leave, all they should
> have done for it was turning the corner and getting lost between
> buildings 5 and 6 into the palisimian area. When this is answered, then
> there will be something to talk about, Thermodore.
>
> > Questions Like:
> > - What was the official reason for shooting James Miller?
>
> His dumb behavior may not be an official reason, but I can see no
> problem, if it becomes one.
>
> > - Who authorized the IDF thugs to shoot at civilians that night?
>
> Palisimian terrorist gangsters are, technically, civilians too.
>
> > - Is it a crime punishable by death to film children under the illegal
> > Israeli occupation?
>
> So, what "children" did they, possibly, hope to find on a dark moonless
> night, with a night-vision device, "suffering" around an APC in a
> restricted access zone?
>
> > - Is it a crime punishable by death to be a photo journalist under the
> > illegal Israeli occupation?
>
> Evidently, being dumb in a hot zone does not pay, does it?
>
> > - Is it a crime punishable by death under the illegal Israeli
> > occupation to carry a camera?
>
> Time and again, when journos put themselves in the dangerous situations
> and get shot, they blame everyone, never themselves.
>
> > - Why did the Apartheid Israeli regimes obstruct the investigation and
> > deny investigators access to the scene and witnesses?
>
> I do not blame them.
>
> > - Why did the Israeli regime destroy the evidence at the scene by
> > bulldozing the area the next day?
>
> Maybe because it was slated to become bulldozed, no, Thermodore?
> Bth, there is no occupation and palisimian fantasies on the subject do
> not count.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 1:57 am
From: "PM"

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de los Presidentes
Rancho http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/rancho/index.htm
Boyeros
Monserrate
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Empedrado http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/empedrado/index.htm
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Puerto
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www.chileblog.com.
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TOPIC: Nº 749. 2 de abril de 200 6Newsletter de ElDiarioExterior.com
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 1:58 am
From: "PM"

La ONU insta a Irán a acabar con las torturas, ejecuciones y la
discriminación contra las mujeres
Irán una vida bajo el velo y el terror del régimen fundamentalista de
Ahmadinejad
La prisión de muchas mujeres que celebraron el Día Internacional de la
Mujeren Teherán no detuvo la batalla de las iraníes por equidad y
democracia, en un país que aplica algunas de las leyes más represivas y
discriminatorias del mundo. Bajo la sharia (ley islámica) que rige al país,
las mujeres tienen prohibido postularse a la presidencia, carecen de igual
derecho que los hombres para divorciarse y, tras el divorcio, pueden tener
la custodia de sus hijos solamente hasta que éstos tengan 7 años.

Zapatero pasará a la Historia como el presidente que rompió el
consenso constitucional
Acebes cree que Zapatero evitará el referéndum nacional porque "sabe
que perdería"
El secretario general del Partido Popular ha acusado este sábado al
PSOE de votar a favor de que España "deje de ser una única nación", en
referencia al sí que los socialistas han dado al Estatuto de Cataluña.

Las víctimas tenemos poca confianza en la tregua de ETA y en Zapatero
Alcaraz defiende el Pacto Antiterrorista "porque es la mayor garantía
de que no se pagará ningún precio
El presidente de la Asociación de Víctimas del Terrorismo, Francisco
José Alcaraz, destacó la importancia de que "se active de nuevo" el Pacto
por las Libertades y contra el Terrorismo porque es "la mayor garantía",
dado que en él queda patente que la libertad, la Paz y los Derechos Humanos
son valores "innegociables".

Revisará la legislación de los 25 estados miembros
La CE pide a la UE garantizar los derechos laborales de los
trabajadores desplazados
La Comisión Europea presentará una comunicación sobre el régimen
laboral de los trabajadores europeos desplazados temporalmente para ofrecer
un servicio en otro Estado miembro y abrirá un periodo de un año en el que
quiere asegurarse de que los países de la UE cumplen la ley que les obliga a
otorgarles similares derechos laborales que a sus propios ciudadanos.

Temen que las protestas puedan dañar la imagen de Francia y golpear la
inversión y el turismo
Los líderes franceses instan al diálogo sobre la ley laboral ante la
escalada de violencia
Los asediados líderes franceses instaron el sábado a los estudiantes y
sindicatos a negociar después de que el anuncio del presidente Jacques
Chirac de presentar enmiendas para modificar la controvertida ley laboral
juvenil no pusiera fin a semanas de manifestaciones y violencia.

Wenceslao Cruz Blanco
El líder religioso que adoran Chávez y Castro
El controvertido líder, un fanático y reconocido antisemita, ya
en el año 1997 en Harlem declaró: «Se ha decretado la pena de muerte contra
EE.UU.: el juicio de Dios se ha hecho y EE.UU. debe ser destruido», y
durante su visita a Irán aseguró que «Dios destruirá EE.UU. por mano de los
musulmanes. Dios no dará este honor al Japón ni a Europa. Es un honor que
reservará a los musulmanes».

Santi Lucas
El Apoyo Internacional para la Paz
Seguramente, Rodríguez Zapatero ha buscado una primera reválida
testimonial fuera de España, desde donde se puede siempre mejorar la
cooperación contra el terrorismo, pero desde donde no se puede sustituir la
prudencia, la idoneidad de los pasos que se van a dar, ni se pueden importar
tampoco de forma mimética otros procesos que guardan tantas similitudes como
diferencias esenciales con la situación del terrorismo en nuestro país.

Pablo de San Román
El sentido de la democracia en América Latina
Sartori dice que, antes que nada, la democracia consiste en una
limitación del Estado con respecto al individuo. O mejor dicho, en la
posibilidad de los ciudadanos de ejercer una limitación sobre una estructura
superior, que tiende, si no se la limita, a concentrar poder. Dicha
concentración constituye la principal desgracia de toda sociedad y el
principal obstáculo para una verdadera experimentación democrática.

Carlos Alberto Montaner
España y el costo de la paz
Los acuerdos entre el gobierno de Zapatero y los nacionalistas
catalanes, refrendados por el parlamento español apenas unas horas antes de
la tregua decretada por los terroristas vascos, le abren la puerta a una
eventual secesión política del territorio. Nunca como ahora ha sido tan
clara la posibilidad que tienen catalanes y vascos nacionalistas de alcanzar
a medio plazo la independencia por vías pacíficas.

Israel se cita con las urnas bajo la sombra de Sharón y las amenazas de
Hamás e Irán

Rajoy pedirá a Zapatero que las víctimas sean protagonistas en
el proceso de paz

Los terroristas de Hamás están dispuestos a dialogar con el
Cuarteto para solucionar el conflicto en Oriente Medio

El Partido Popular avisa que exigirá a Zapatero el cumplimiento
del Pacto Antiterrorista

Straw se muestra confiado de que EEUU, Europa y China llegarán a
un acuerdo sobre Irán en Berlín

Zapatero destaca que la reunión es "un buen primer paso" para
recuperar la confianza entre el Gobierno y el PP

La Unión Europea está dispuesta a trabajar con el nuevo Gobierno
israelí hacia la paz

Aznar: para vencer el terrorismo Europa debe defender sus
valores "sin complejos"

El Cuarteto amenaza al Gobierno de Hamás con cortar las ayudas

El Consejo de Seguridad de la ONU da 30 días a Irán para que
suspenda el enriquecimiento de uranio

El desinformado electorado de Israel
Caroline Glick
Primero fueron a por los judíos...
Mark Steyn

¿Irán? Ni de lejos problema de Israel exclusivamente
Amir Taheri
¿Comida por bombas atómicas?
Claudia Rosett

¿Estamos ganando la Guerra contra el Terror?
Phyllis Chesler
¿La democracia pone fin a la tiranía?
Natan Sharansky

Daniel Pipes
La indiferencia de la Casa Blanca
Cuente con que la administración Bush continúe haciendo de Oriente
Medio el centro de su política exterior. También cuente con que sus
estrategias continúen básicamente sin cambios – a pesar de su variado
historial hasta la fecha. El informe minimiza la amenaza del islam radical a
través de la ficción de que "una religión orgullosa" ha sido "retorcida y
modificada para servir a un mal".

Andrés Mejía Vergnaud
¿Problemas de salud? Pruebe el libre comercio
El libre comercio estimula en gran medida el crecimiento económico, el
cual es a su vez indispensable para crear riqueza. Y a mayor riqueza,
mejores condiciones de salud. De hecho, los más grandes avances en salud que
ha hecho la humanidad han venido de la mano con el progreso económico.

Los periodistas son valientes (a menos que el tema sea el islam)
James Lileks

La supresión de la libertad de Beijing
Robert T. McLean

Si el rey del pop se convierte el islam
Daniel Pipes

Sueños Americanos, Banderas Extranjeras
Linda Chávez/New York Times

Tres musulmanes, que entran en un puerto...
Ann Coulter

Imagina ser una mujer...
Badria al Bisher

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TOPIC: Condoleezza Rice y Jack Straw pedirán a los líderes iraquíes que
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 1:59 am
From: "PM"

Newsletter de ElDiarioExterior.com

Nº 720. 3 de abril de 2006

Zebari dice que un fracaso en la formación de gobierno provocará un
baño de sangre
Condoleezza Rice y Jack Straw pedirán a los líderes iraquíes que
culminen las negociaciones para formar Gobierno

Los jefes de la diplomacia estadounidense y británica, Condoleezza Rice
y Jack Straw, iniciaron en Bagdad una visita sorpresa para apurar a los
dirigentes iraquíes a formar ràpidamente gobierno, en gestación desde hace
más de tres meses.El principal escollo para el consenso entre los distintos
grupos iraquíes es Yafari, que cuenta con el apoyo de Alianza Unida Iraquí,
el grupo chií que tiene mayoría en el Parlamento, pero al que se oponen
todos los demás grupos parlamentarios.

Aumenta la denuncias de corrupción en Andalucía, bajo el gobierno del
socialista Chaves
El PP exige la disolución del Ayuntamiento de Marbella y la
convocatoria de elecciones
El Partido Popular ha pedido la disolución del Ayuntamiento de
Marbella, por ser ésta "la única posibilidad de recuperar la normalidad", y
la convocatoria de elecciones.

Esperanza Aguirre potenciará el intercambio con las 365 empresas
españolas en el Estado de Florida
La presidenta de la Comunidad de Madrid viaja a Miami en busca turismo
e inversiones
La presidenta madrileña, Esperanza Aguirre, inicia este lunes su
cuarto viaje oficial de la legislatura que le llevará a Miami, capital de
Florida -uno de los estados más ricos del mundo-, para promocionar el
atractivo turístico de la Comunidad de Madrid y buscar inversiones
norteamericanas para la región.

La Nación argentina ratifica su legítima soberanía sobre las islas
Malvinas
Néstor Kirchner: "Recuperar las Malvinas es un objetivo permanente"
El Presidente encabezó la ceremonia en El Palomar en la que rindió
homenaje a los caídos y pidió perdón a los ex combatientes; criticó a los
jefes de la dictadura por haber utilizado la gesta "para salvarse.

Lula, por su parte, aún no ha anunciado si se presentará para la
reelección
Brasil: más cambios en el gabinete de cara a las próximas elecciones
de octubre
Cuatro días después de haber reemplazado a su ministro de Economía, el
presidente de Brasil, ha tenido que nombrar nueve nuevos ministros. Genro,
reemplazará a Jaques Wagner como ministro de Relaciones Institucionales, un
cargo clave en la relación con el Congreso y los partidos políticos.

Un nuevo récord mundial
Inmigrantes latinoamericanos enviaron a sus países de origen más de
53.000 millones de dólares

Según el senador republicano Mel Martínez
La inmigración dominará la campaña en las próximas elecciones de los
Estados Unidos

El Kadima ofrecería el Ministerio de Defensa a los laboristas
Los partidos israelíes inician las conversaciones para la formación de
una coalición de Gobierno

Las modificaciones del contrato laboral no aplaca la ira de los
estudiantes franceses
El Contrato de Primer Empleo entra en vigor en Francia a pesar del
incremento en las protestas

OPINIÓN: GONZALO ROBLES OROZCO
'¿Repatriación de inmigrantes como política de cooperación?
En sus días de oposición, el PSOE criticó durante al gobierno del PP
por el uso del ejército en las acciones de la cooperación española. Pero en
dos años de gobierno socialista vemos como el peso del ejército en dichas
acciones, lejos de disminuir, ha aumentado como ha quedado demostrado en la
catástrofe del tsunami, en el terremoto de Pakistán o, ahora, con el drama
de los inmigrantes en Mauritania. '

ROBERTO SALINAS LEÓN
El fantasma de Phillips
Roberto Salinas León dice que en México el fantasma de la curva de
Phillips parece estar presente ahora que el gobierno busca depreciar el peso
de manera controlada con el fin claro de estimular el crecimiento de las
exportaciones. Él cree que esto solo resultará en una inflación futura y que
lo que necesita no es más dinero sino dinero que compre más.

DANIEL PIPES
Si el rey del pop se convierte el islam
Cada figura pública negra que se convierte al islam o acepta el apoyo
de Nación del Islam ayuda a generar una corriente añadida a cambiar de
religión para otros negros, un patrón que también ha emergido en otros
países occidentales.

PORTMAN: ES UNA OPORTUNIDAD ÚNICA PARA REDUCIR GLOBALMENTE LAS BARRERAS
AL COMERCIO
'La Unión Europea, Estados Unidos, y Brasil acuerdan evaluar los
efectos de reducir las barreras comerciales
La Unión Europea (UE), Estados Unidos, y Brasil alcanzaron un
acuerdo esta sábado para hacer una evaluación de las consecuencias que
podrían sufrir los países ricos en caso de aceptar la exigencia de las
naciones pobres de reducir las barreras comerciales y los subsidios.

LOS PAÍSES CON UNA TASA MÁS BAJA DE DESEMPLEO FEMENINO SON
IRLANDA Y REINO UNIDO
'España es el cuarto país de la UE con mayor tasa de desempleo
femenino
España es el cuarto país te la UE-25 con mayor tasa de desempleo
femenino, concretamente el 12,2%, según los datos publicados por la oficina
estadística europea Eurostat.

Dinamismo y modernización
La Prensa - El Salvador

Las reglas claras
El Nacional - Venezuela

Las expectativas y el buen momento económico
La Tercera - Chile

¿Dónde está el programa?
El País - Uruguay

El mensaje presidencial
La Nación - Argentina

Cuba y la transición en Africa
El Nuevo Herald - USA

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TOPIC: Croatia's Pliva Rejects $1.6bn Takeover Bid
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 11:16 pm
From: "bmarjanovich@iprimus.ca"

Friday 7 April 2006
Telegraph
Pliva rejects offer by Icelandic drugs firm
By Katherine Griffiths (Filed: 07/04/2006)

The Croatian drugs company Pliva has started an auction of its business
after rejecting a $1.6bn (£910m) offer from Iceland's Actavis,
prompting speculation that there could be a round of consolidation in
the generic drugs sector.

Pliva, which sold its proprietary research and development arm to Glaxo
Smithkline in February in a deal worth up to $50m, yesterday said it
had appointed Deutsche Bank to "explore strategic options".

The move came after Actavis said last month it wanted to buy Pliva in a
deal which would have created the third biggest generic drugs company
in the world.

The offer valued the Croatian company at $18.90 per global depositary
receipt (GDR). Pliva's GDRs are traded in London.

Yesterday Actavis said it might walk away from its offer, prompting
Pliva's GDRs to fall 3pc to $18.20.

Other companies might want to snap up Pliva, including Israel's Teva
Pharmaceutical Industries and Switzerland's Novartis, the two largest
generic drug producers in the world.

Hikma, a Jordanian company listed in London, is another major player
but worth slightly less than Pliva at £730m. Hikma has also made it
clear it wants to make acquisitions in the Middle East.

Actavis's bid is being funded by HSBC and JP Morgan. It is not clear
whether the two would back Actavis if it decided to launch a hostile
offer for Pliva.

Pliva said that "the indicative proposal from Actavis inadequately
reflects the fundamental value and prospects of the company."

Pliva has been through considerable restructuring in the past year.
Prior to becoming a pure generics company last month, it had in
November lost patent protection on its popular antibiotic azithromycin.

http://www.pliva.com/en

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 2:04 am
From: "PM"

VENTANA A CUBA

Marzo 28, 2006

NOTA DE SOLIDARIDAD

Por este medio la organización ALPHA 66 desea hacer llegar
al valeroso periodista independiente Guillermo Fariñas Hernández, licenciado
en psicología, director de la Agencia "Cubanacán Press" y del "Foro de
Estudios Sociales Marta Abreu", el más amplio mensaje de solidaridad, junto
a nuestra ferviente admiración por su heroismo al sostener tan prolongada
huelga de hambre en defensa de sus principios y de sus derechos, vilmente
ultrajados por la dictadura comunista de Cuba.

Responsabilizamos directamente al tirano Fidel Castro y a su
Ministro del Interior por la insensibilidad ante los justos reclamos de
Fariñas Hernández, quien comenzó su histórico ayuno el pasado 31 de enero y
en la actualidad sufre de deshidratación severa y la agudización de su ya
deteriorada salud a consecuencia de anteriores huelgas de hambre. A un mismo
tiempo los hacemos responsables por las consecuencias mayores, incluyendo la
irreparable muerte, si llegara a ocurrir, de esta nueva víctima del sistema
de apartheid informativo, ideológico y político, entre otros, que desde hace
más de 47 años afecta sensiblemente a la población cubana.

Juntos en solidaridad a los que dentro de la Isla defienden sus
derechos y se enfrentan con valor y dignidad a la maquinaria represiva de la
tiranía castrista. Juntos a los que en el exilio mantienen, a pesar de la
distancia y las adversidades de tan prolongado destierro, la intransigencia
necesaria en aras de una Cuba que para ser libre, próspera y democrática ha
de resurgir con el esfuerzo de todos los cubanos bien intencionados, sin
claudicaciones y sin componendas viles con el enemigo que esclaviza la
Patria.

Reiteramos nuestro apoyo total y gratitud por su heroismo a
Guillermo Fariñas Hernández, a la prensa independiente y a los prisioneros
políticos cubanos. Por la Libertad de Cuba. ALPHA 66.

Ernesto Díaz Rodríguez, Secretario General; Osiel González
Rodríguez, Vice-Secretario General y Sara Martínez Castro, Secretaria de
Cultura

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Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 2:07 am
From: "PM"

Topics in this digest:

1. La Embajada niega que diplomaticos cubanos participasen en el
boicot al acto de Raul Rivero en Sevilla
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
2. Madrid acogera en mayo la II Conferencia sobre la Responsabilidad
Social Corporativa en Cuba
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
3. Preveen triplicar linea de credito con Cuba
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
4. Recogida de libros para Cuba
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
5. COSUDE decide prolongar actividades en Cuba
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
6. Acontecimientos religiosos en Cuba
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
7. Castro anuncia la compra a China de 100 locomotoras y mas de 7000
omnibus
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
8. Un grupo de exiliados pide ayuda a Francia para liberar a presos de
conciencia
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
9. Wendy Guerra retrata en forma diario vida cotidiana Cuba actual
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
10. El embajador de Cuba en Espana dice que Aguirre se reunio con la
contrarrevolucion cubana
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
11. Un muerto y un herido guardafronteras disparan contra una
embarcacion de contrabando humano
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
12. Madrid llama la atencion al embajador cubano por sus criticas
contra Esperanza Aguirre
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
13. Washington demora la ayuda a los disidentes
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
14. Castro could drill off Florida coast
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
15. Castro article raises authenticity issues
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
16. Chaos As AirZim Cancels Yet Another Flight
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
17. Cuba breaks up people smuggling attempt 1 dead
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
18. Cuba buys train engines buses from China
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
19. Snafu delays US funding for Cuban American groups
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
20. Cuban Coast Guard shoots 2 suspected migrant smugglers from US
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
21. Cuban coast guard kills migrant smuggler suspect
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:15:32 +0200
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
Subject: La Embajada niega que diplomaticos cubanos participasen en el
boicot al acto de Raul Rivero en Sevilla

Miércoles 5 de abril, 9:14 AM

Cuba: La Embajada niega que diplomáticos cubanos participasen en el
'boicot' al acto de Raúl Rivero en Sevilla

La Embajada de Cuba en España negó hoy que funcionarios de la legación
diplomática o de sus consulados participasen el lunes en el boicot al
acto en el que tenía previsto participar el poeta cubano Raúl Rivero,
excarcelado el año pasado por las autoridades de la isla gracias a la
mediación del Gobierno de José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero.

"Los funcionarios de nuestros consulados y Embajada en España no asisten
a actividades que no sean invitados, y menos a las que mercenarios al
servicio de Estados Unidos agreden a la Revolución Cubana, apoyada por
la gran mayoría de nuestro pueblo", afirmó el consejero de prensa de la
Embajada Carta al Director de 'El Mundo'.

Así, afirmó que "una vez más" Rivero "miente" al decir que en el acto de
la Universidad de Sevilla había representantes del Consulado de Cuba en
Andalucía. "Estamos acostumbrados a escuchar mentir una y otra vez al
señor Rivero, como lo hacen cotidianamente quienes desean convertir a
Cuba en un apéndice de Estados Unidos", añadió.

La Universidad de Sevilla expresó ayer su "más enérgica condena" al
grupo de boicoteadores "ajenos a la Comunidad Universitaria" que el
lunes impidió la celebración de una conferencia de Raúl Rivero sobre
'Periodismo, poesía y compromiso político', que iba a tener lugar en el
Paraninfo de la Hispalense.

Además, ante este lamentable suceso la universidad quiso hacer saber
que, "con independencia de cualquier posicionamiento ideológico
concreto, hechos como éste son contrarios a la esencia de la Universidad
como ámbito de libertad y que, por tanto, merecen la más enérgica
condena de la Comunidad Universitaria".

Un grupo de unas 20 personas impidió hablar a Raúl Rivero en un acto
organizado por el Council on International Educational Exchange (CIEE)
de Sevilla a celebrar en el Paraninfo de la institución académica. Raúl
Rivero fue condenado en 2003, tras un juicio sumarísimo, a más de 20
años de prisión por un delito de opinión.

http://ar.news.yahoo.com/060405/11/pyn2.html

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:16:20 +0200
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
Subject: Madrid acogera en mayo la II Conferencia sobre la Responsabilidad
Social Corporativa en Cuba

6 de abril de 2006, 11h29

RSC.- Madrid acogerá en mayo la II Conferencia sobre la Responsabilidad
Social Corporativa en Cuba

MADRID, 6 (EUROPA PRESS)

Madrid acogerá los días 3 y 4 de mayo la II Conferencia sobre
Responsabilidad Social en Cuba organizada por el Grupo Internacional
para la Responsabilidad Social Cooperativa en Cuba (GIRSCC), donde se
pondrá de manifiesto "la realidad laboral en la isla".

Según señala la convocatoria del GIRSCC, las condiciones laborales y las
libertades colectivas e individuales de los trabajadores cubanos se
mantienen "con los más bajos estándares mundiales". "La represión
se acentúa y los capitales siguen apoyando su tasa de retorno en esas
condiciones, violando los principios más elementales de ética y
responsabilidad empresarial", agrega.

El objetivo de este encuentro es consolidar el proceso de
institucionalización del GIRSCC y, en base a las experiencias
acumuladas, fijar las estrategias para el mejor desarrollo de sus
actividades.

Podrán participar en esta II Conferencia organizaciones de carácter
sectorial, nacional, regional o mundial, sindicales, empresariales,
académicas y no gubernamentales relacionadas con la responsabilidad
social corporativa, la promoción y defensa de los Derechos Humanos y
laborales y el fortalecimiento de la democracia.

En el temario que se tratará en el evento, figura la realidad laboral de
la isla, la RSC de los inversores extranjeros y las normas laborales
internacionales. También se abordará el tema de la RSC "como instrumento
político en la lucha por la democracia", añade.

Se promoverá además la presentación de casos y ponencias de los
participantes que contribuyan al fortalecimiento de la estructura y
objetivos del Grupo, para luego presentar un balance de actividades y
llegar a resoluciones que definan la orientación de las acciones del
GIRSCC.

http://es.biz.yahoo.com/06042006/4/rsc-madrid-acogera-mayo-ii-conferencia-re
sponsabilidad-social-corporativa-cuba.html

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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:17:12 +0200
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
Subject: Prevan triplicar linea de credito con Cuba

Prevén triplicar línea de crédito con Cuba
yosselyn navarro

CARACAS.- Para facilitar las negociaciones binacionales podrían
incrementarse de 100 a 300 millones de dólares la línea de crédito con
Cuba desde el Banco Exterior (Bancoex), brindándole apoyo financiero
tanto a importadores como a exportadores.

El vicepresidente de este organismo, Luis Hernández, explicó que han
conversado con funcionarios cubanos de alto nivel y existe la intención
de aumentar los préstamos de Bs 215 millardos a Bs 645 millardos.

Asimismo apuntó que este intercambio comercial se realiza en las áreas
de metalúrgica, construcción, alimentos, muebles, textiles y calzados,
entre otros.

De la línea de crédito actual que posee Bancoex con Cuba, se han
empleado 88 millones de dólares.

http://www.eltiempo.com.ve/noticias/default.asp?id=69018

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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:18:08 +0200
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
Subject: Recogida de libros para Cuba

Recogida de libros para Cuba

La biblioteca municipal de Iurreta se ha adherido a la campaña de
recogida de libros para enviarlos a Cuba. La petición realizada por la
fundación Euskadi-Cuba pretende proveer de ejemplares al autobús que
funcionará como una biblioteca rodante para las personas con
discapacidades. Las personas interesadas en colaborar con la aportación
de libros sobre literatura y traducciones vascas, temas más reclamados,
pueden acudir a la biblioteca de 10.00 a 13.00 horas y de 16.00 a 20.00
horas, de lunes a viernes. El plazo de entrega finalizará el 4 de mayo.

http://www.elcorreodigital.com/vizcaya/pg060406/prensa/noticias/Duranguesado
/200604/06/VIZ-DUR-192.html

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:19:31 +0200
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
Subject: COSUDE decide prolongar actividades en Cuba

COSUDE decide prolongar actividades en Cuba

swissinfo

13 de noviembre de 2003 17:15

COSUDE en la rehabilitación de La Habana Vieja.

El alto nivel educativo de la población y la existencia y continuidad de
políticas estatales de desarrollo coadyuvan al éxito de la agencia suiza.

En contra: centralización y burocracia y el reto de mostrar una
estrategia de cooperación diferente a la del bloque socialista.

La Agencia Suiza para el Desarrollo y la Cooperación (COSUDE) determinó
implementar en Cuba un programa a largo plazo cuyo objetivo es acompañar
a la sociedad local en su proceso de desarrollo. La decisión se tomó
luego de una fase piloto de tres años (2000-2003) y al término de una
positiva evaluación externa.

La estrategia de COSUDE en Cuba obedece una lógica diferente a aquella
aplicada en América Latina toda vez que la situación social cubana
escapa a la extrema desigualdad socio-económica y a la pobreza de gran
parte de la población que caracterizan al resto de los países de la región.

Cuba es un país muy atípico para desarrollar un programa de cooperación
en el sentido de que tiene un nivel de desarrollo humano bastante bueno,
asegura el director de COSUDE en ese país, Olivier Berthoud y, en
referencia a las estrategias de la agencia suiza en el campo cubano,
destaca:

"Después de haber trabajado muchos años en áreas rurales de América
Latina, es muy sorprendente constatar que, efectivamente, el nivel
educativo es muy alto en el campo cubano y ese factor ha sido muy
favorable".

Resultados notables

El otro factor que, en opinión de Berthoud, incide en la exitosa labor
de COSUDE tiene que ver con la permanencia de las políticas estatales.

"Primero, que hay políticas estatales en relación con el desarrollo, lo
que no es el caso en todos los países de la región y, por otra parte,
existe una continuidad muy grande en esas políticas que hace que en el
largo plazo los esfuerzos de desarrollo han tenido resultados notables".

Pero en Cuba, como en todas partes, no todo es miel sobre hojuelas.
Añade el directivo de COSUDE que "esa permanencia o esa constancia tiene
otra cara que es quizá la burocracia, la lentitud en la toma de
decisiones y otros aspectos que hacen difícil la cooperación".

Inquirido sobre los retos que la cooperación de COSUDE enfrenta en Cuba,
nuestro entrevistado señala que quizá el principal es el de dar hacerse
aceptar como una contraparte posible y confiable por los interlocutores
cubanos.

Una cooperación participativa

Explica que la cooperación tal como se concibe en los países
occidentales, es muy poco conocida y de muy poca amplitud en Cuba merced
a que la isla conoció una cooperación de los antiguos países socialistas
muy masiva, muy importante, pero con características muy diferentes a
las de occidente.

Sobre esas diferencias explica Berthoud que los grandes proyectos o el
modelo de desarrollo que resultó de la cooperación de los países del
Este europeo promovía soluciones únicas a problemas muy complejos que
requerían quizás más matices en el tipo de solución aportada.

El tipo de enfoque de la cooperación de COSUDE busca resolver problemas
económicos o sociales a un nivel local y con actores que trabajen en el
tema.

"Se trata de trabajar con instituciones que a su vez estén buscando
soluciones adaptadas a un contexto local y creo que es un cambio de
mentalidad en Cuba, y en relación con la cooperación, relativamente
importante".

Acercar a la isla

Otro de los propósitos de la estrategia de COSUDE en Cuba es apoyar las
investigaciones y el intercambio de experiencias, así como el acceso a
la información y al conocimiento a escala nacional e internacional.

Es un elemento muy importante del programa, subraya el responsable de
COSUDE para referirse al aislamiento de Cuba como resultado de su
situación de isla, por el embargo y en virtud de su sistema político
único en la región, "que no facilita un proceso de desarrollo a largo
plazo pacífico, con equidad y participativo".

Dentro de ese marco, el equipo de Berthoud busca facilitar la salida de
cubanos para participar en seminarios, conocer otra experiencia y que
personas de otros países de la región, pero sobre todo de Suiza, vengan
a Cuba a compartir su experiencia, su manera de ser.

"No se trata simplemente que la gente haga turismo ni se trata de
importar o exporta soluciones sino de que el intercambio permita
encontrar soluciones con diferentes aportaciones".

""El aislamiento no facilita un desarrollo a largo plazo""
Olivier Berthoud, COSUDE

El precio de los grandes logros

En relación con la situación general de Cuba, Olivier Berthoud destaca
que los niveles alcanzados en los servicios básicos, educación y salud
enfrentan problemas de sostenibilidad y viabilidad, de falta de una base
económica suficientemente sólida. Para darles continuidad, el gobierno
ha tenido que mantener, por ejemplo, muy bajos los sueldos en los
sectores sociales.

"El gran reto es buscar soluciones a los dos niveles. Quizás ajustes en
el sistema social, ajustes en el sistema económico que permitan, a
mediano plazo, mantener estos logros fantásticos que se ha alcanzado en
el campo social pero darle más sostenibilidad en la vida económica del
país y la creación de riquezas en el país".

Para Berthoud, el de la vivienda es quizá el problema social más grave
del país considerando que las necesidades elementales de educación y
salud están relativamente cubiertas.

"Aunque ha habido esfuerzos tremendos por parte del gobierno -en los
últimos cuarenta años se han construido cientos de miles de viviendas
nuevas-, el problema persiste por el crecimiento, pero sobre todo por el
envejecimiento de la población".

Refiere que la eficiencia del sistema de salud cubano ha generado para
la población una esperanza de vida de 76 años, más o menos en las normas
suizas, pero sin la estructura económica de Suiza que, sin embargo,
enfrenta graves problemas en la materia, como los de las jubilaciones.

El impacto de esa situación en materia de casas-habitación se traduce en
que como no hay viviendas suficientes, en las existentes conviven no
sólo dos o tres generaciones, sino hasta cuatro.

Un granito de arena

Entre sus actividades en Cuba, COSUDE trabaja con una institución de la
Universidad de Villa Clara que ha desarrollado una serie de
investigaciones y de materiales de construcción que se pueden fabricar
de manera más barata, con más mano de obra a pequeña escala.

Es una temática que en otros países de América Latina está fuera de la
preocupación de COSUDE porque se trata de un programa social secundario
(después de aquellos de agua potable, salud y educación).

"En este país es el problema social más grave y que afecta mucho a la
emigración de los jóvenes que buscan salir del país, como el resto de
América Latina, para buscar una vida diferente en el exterior", concluye
Berthoud.

swissinfo, Marcela Águila Rubín, La Habana

http://www.swissinfo.org/ses/swissinfo.html?siteSect=105&sid=4445447

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:20:12 +0200
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
Subject: Acontecimientos religiosos en Cuba

Posted on Thu, Apr. 06, 2006

Acontecimientos religiosos en Cuba
DORA AMADOR

1 Musulmanes en La Habana: Parece que algunos cubanos se está
convirtiendo al islam. De acuerdo con el periodista independiente Juan
González Febles, la Unión Arabe de Cuba se ha vuelto un lugar
frecuentado por jóvenes que desean hacerse musulmanes. Van también
asiduamente a la mezquita situada en los altos del restaurante Al
Medina, en la capital cubana. Musulmanes en La Habana titula González
Febles su artículo publicado en el interesante blog Religión en
Revolución. Como católica, es decir creyente y promotora del ecumenismo
y el diálogo interreligioso, no critico a los cubanos que acojan con fe
el Corán y centren su vida en Alá. Lo que me preocupa es que estos
''nuevos conversos'' es que están siendo alentados a viajar a Irán por
la embajada de ese país en Cuba. ¿Serán instruidos también en el
yihadismo? Imposible. Pero sí puede ser que se estén uniendo con
obediencia fundamentalista a Castro, al terrorismo islamista que busca
la destrucción total de Estados Unidos. Qué mala impresión me causó ver
desfilar al nieto del ayatolá Jomeini junto a Fidel Castro el 26 de
julio de 2001 por las calles de La Habana, tres meses antes del 11 de
septiembre. En mayo el dictador cubano había hecho un viaje a Irán en
donde aseguró que Cuba e Irán juntos destruirían a Estados Unidos.

Gholam Ali Addad Adel, presidente del Parlamento de la República
Islámica de Irán, estuvo de visita en Cuba a mediados de febrero
acompañado de una nutrida delegación de diputados y funcionarios de
varios ministerios iraníes. ``Cuba e Irán son dos países que estamos en
la primera línea en la lucha contra el imperialismo, expresó en esa
ocasión Ricardo Alarcón, presidente de la Asamblea Nacional del Poder
Popular. La agenda de trabajo que se desplegó en Cuba incluyó
conversaciones con dirigentes de la revolución, así como visitas al
Centro de Ingeniería Genética y Biotecnología, la Universidad de La
Habana y otros centros, informó Granma.

2. Preocupados los protestantes comunistas. Es una contradicción de
términos --ser cristiano y pertenecer al Partido Comunista cubano--,
pero así sucede en nuestro país en ruinas.

En un acto sin precedentes El Consejo Mundial de Iglesias (CMI) pidió
una mejora de los derechos civiles y políticos en Cuba mediante la
creación de espacios para el diálogo entre el gobierno y los diferentes
sectores de la sociedad. La declaración, que dejó atónita a la
delegación ''protestante'' cubana, se hizo en el marco de la IX Asamblea
del CMI celebrada en Porto Alegre, Brasil, del 14 al 23 de febrero. El
CMI agrupa a más de 340 iglesias, denominaciones y comunidades de
iglesias en más de 100 países y territorios de todo el mundo que
representan a unos 550 millones de cristianos, incluidas la mayoría de
las iglesias ortodoxas y protestantes. El CMI es la única organización
con la que el Vaticano trabaja en una comisión mixta en la promoción del
movimiento ecuménico para lograr la unión de los cristianos.

La pastora Rodhe González, afín al régimen de Castro y presidenta del
Consejo de Iglesias de Cuba, lamentó que la declaración no pidiera el
levantamiento inmediato e incondicional del embargo contra la isla. El
profesor del Seminario Teológico de Matanzas y diputado al Parlamento de
Cuba, Pablo Odén Marichal, cuestionó la declaración porque, indicó,
repite el discurso ''imperialista'' contra Cuba y ''se sitúa a la zaga
de la historia, porque no comprende el kairós (tiempo) de Dios''. ¿El
kairós de Dios? Marichal sabe que el tiempo que impera en Cuba es el del
mal, instaurado por el Maestro de la Mentira a quien él le es fiel, no a
Cristo. Porque no se puede ser fiel a Cristo y a la mentira. ''El que no
está conmigo está contra mí'' (Lucas 11; 23). Palabras de Jesús que me
mueven a preguntarles a otros dos farsantes religiosos: Louis Farrakhan,
líder de la Nación del Islam, que recién estuvo en Cuba con una
delegación de 20 líderes musulmanes afroamericanos, y al pastor bautista
y diputado a la Asamblea Nacional del Poder popular, Raúl Suárez Ramos,
director del Centro Martín Luther King Jr, en La Habana, por qué no
fueron a visitar a sus celdas inmundas a los dos presos de conciencia
negros Oscar Elías Biscet y Jorge Luis García Pérez Antúnez, ambos
cristianos que luchan por la paz y la justicia. Farrakhan y Suárez no
cesan de predicar sobre la justicia y la paz verdaderas, la eliminación
de las desigualdades y el racismo dentro de un marco supuestamente
religioso. ¿Por qué se alían con el maligno dictador cubano que instauró
el ateísmo y persiguió a todo el que practicaba su fe en Dios?

La cúpula protestante castrista es pequeñísima y no representa a la
inmensa mayoría de los protestantes cubanos. La semana pasada 11
pastores fueron encarcelados, varios templos fueron derribados y le han
puesto fuertes restricciones a los protestantes que quieran formar en su
hogar una casa culto donde leer y meditar la Palabra de Dios.

No fue por ignorancia que Caridad Diego, encargada de asuntos religiosos
del Comité Central del Partido Comunista, declarara como ''muy
peligroso'' el evangelio de San Juan decomisado por agentes de Seguridad
del Estado en la casa del pastor Eliseo Rodríguez Matos, director de
Asambleas de Dios en la ciudad de Colón, el 9 de octubre de 2005.

Los demonios saben el poder liberador de Jesucristo, por eso tiemblan.

http://www.miami.com/mld/elnuevo/news/world/cuba/14272217.htm

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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:26:51 +0200
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
Subject: Castro anuncia la compra a China de 100 locomotoras y mas de 7000
omnibus

Economía
Castro anuncia la compra a China de 100 locomotoras y más de 7.000 ómnibus

El mandatario señaló que esa compra es parte de su denominada
'revolución energética'.
Agencias

miércoles 5 de abril de 2006 12:23:00

AFP/ La Habana. Fidel Castro anunció este martes la compra a China de
100 locomotoras, así como más de 7.000 ómnibus que deben llegar este año
a la Isla, como parte de su plan de ahorro de combustible y a fin de
paliar el grave problema del transporte.

"Cien locomotoras, 80% de 2.500 caballos de fuerza, 20% de 1.800. Se han
suscrito contratos a la vez por 1.000 camiones de 20 toneladas", dijo
Castro, en un acto de celebración del aniversario 45 de la Organización
de Pioneros y de los 44 años de la Unión de Jóvenes Comunistas (UJC).

En su discurso, en el Teatro Karl Marx, Castro precisó que también serán
comprados a China más de 7.000 ómnibus y que "se están reparando miles
de vagones".

"Los ómnibus son miles, más de 5.000, de 6.000, de 7.000, que deben ir
llegando este mismo año, no es para las calendas griegas. Que nadie se
apure, no se va a hacer nada irracional. Lo irracional no tendrá
perspectiva", subrayó.

Durante su discurso, de dos horas y 20 minutos, Castro señaló que esa
compra a China es parte de su denominada "revolución energética", un
plan de ahorro de combustible y de energía, porque es necesario poner
fin al despilfarro, advirtió.

A mediados de enero pasado, el gobierno de Castro recibió 12 locomotoras
modelo DF7G-C, con una potencia de 2.500 caballos de fuerza cada una, y
cuyo costo y traslado superaron los 15 millones de dólares.

Un mes después, Castro presidió el acto de entrega de 1.000 autobuses de
la fábrica Yutong, ómnibus que elogia por su bajo consumo de
combustible, comodidad y relación calidad-precio.

Castro, de 79 años -de ellos 47 en el poder-, ha reconocido que el
transporte estatal "ha estado muy deprimido", tras la crisis económica
surgida en los años noventa, a raíz de la caída del bloque socialista.

China es el segundo socio comercial del gobierno cubano después de
Venezuela y mantiene con La Habana un intercambio comercial que superaba
en septiembre pasado los 550 millones de dólares, con una tendencia de
crecimiento del 48,2%, según datos oficiales.

En febrero y dada la intensa relación económica y comercial con el país
asiático, Castro refrendó un acuerdo financiero que garantiza el
cumplimiento de los compromisos en el creciente intercambio con China.

Los gobierno de Cuba y China mantienen colaboración en las esferas del
níquel, transporte, electrónica, biotecnología, turismo y astilleros
navales.

URL:
http://www.cubaencuentro.com/es/encuentro_en_la_red/cuba/noticias/castro_anu
ncia_la_compra_a_china_de_100_locomotoras_y_mas_de_7_000_omnibus

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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:27:35 +0200
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
Subject: Un grupo de exiliados pide ayuda a Francia para liberar a presos de
conciencia

Un grupo de exiliados pide ayuda a Francia para liberar a presos de
conciencia

'Los diputados franceses llevan a cabo esta lucha junto a ustedes con
total convicción', dijo el diputado Yves Bur.

Agencias

miércoles 5 de abril de 2006 14:14:00

AFP/ París. Un grupo de exiliados y familiares de presos políticos se
reunió este miércoles en París con el diputado Yves Bur, vicepresidente
de la Asamblea Nacional francesa, para solicitar que Francia presione
con más fuerza al régimen de Fidel Castro para que libere a los presos
de conciencia.

El periodista Manuel Vázquez Portal, que fue condenado en 2003 a 20 años
de cárcel y fue recientemente liberado; Blanca González, madre del
periodista independiente Normando Hernández González, que cumple una
condena de 25 años de cárcel, y Silvia Iriondo, presidenta de la
organización M.A.R. por Cuba, se reunieron con el parlamentario para
explicarle la situación humanitaria en la Isla.

El grupo hizo una escala en París de camino a Ginebra, donde los
exiliados participarán esta semana en un Foro sobre derechos humanos en
el que explicarán la situación en Cuba.

"Si yo estoy aquí hoy es gracias a la presión de la Unión Europea al
régimen de Castro", aseguró Vázquez Portal, que desde hace algunos meses
vive en Miami.

Según él, "el régimen cubano responde a dos formas de presión: la
publicidad que atente contra la imagen idílica de la revolución cubana y
los ataques contra su economía que se tambalea pese a la ayuda del
presidente venezolano Hugo Chávez".

A las peticiones de ayuda, Bur, que apadrinó a dos presos de conciencia
cubanos, al igual que otros diputados, respondió que Francia desea ser
más activa y creativa en esta "batalla por la liberación de los
disidentes cubanos" encarcelados.

"Los diputados franceses llevan a cabo esta lucha junto a ustedes con
total convicción. Nuestra arma política más eficaz será la lucha contra
el olvido y la indiferencia, aliados de las dictaduras", les garantizó
el diputado de la UMP, partido conservador en el poder en Francia.

Según la organización de defensa de la libertad de expresión Reporteros
Sin Fronteras, hay más de 300 cubanos, 23 de ellos periodistas, que
cumplen actualmente condenas que llegan hasta los 30 años de cárcel, por
"haberse atrevido a pensar de manera diferente que el poder".

URL:
http://www.cubaencuentro.com/es/encuentro_en_la_red/cuba/noticias/un_grupo_d
e_exiliados_pide_ayuda_a_francia_para_liberar_a_presos_de_conciencia

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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:21:41 +0200
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
Subject: Wendy Guerra retrata en forma diario vida cotidiana Cuba actual

literatura-cuba 06-04-2006

Wendy Guerra retrata en forma diario vida cotidiana Cuba actual

La escritora cubana Wendy Guerra ha presentado hoy en Barcelona su
primera obra narrativa, 'Todos se van', que ha obtenido el premio
Bruguera y que retrata, en forma de diario personal, la vida cotidiana
de la Cuba actual.

El único integrante del jurado del premio, el escritor Eduardo Mendoza,
ha destacado que el libro de Guerra es un diario 'tremendamente duro',
que da una imagen de Cuba 'vista desde la calle' y totalmente libre de
interpretaciones políticas.

Wendy Guerra ha justificado el título de la obra porque 'no hay ninguna
duda de que en Cuba muchos se van', en su mayoría por cuestiones
políticas, aunque ha matizado que el libro se centra en 'adioses
afectivos', en un país en el que resulta una 'locura' comprometerse.

El personaje del libro, Nieve Guerra, relata en su diario los avatares
por los que atraviesa su vida y la de su familia, formada por un padre
alcohólico y una madre que se fuga con un sueco llegado a Cuba para
participar en trabajos de naturaleza nuclear.

La escritora cubana, diplomada en dirección de cine, radio y televisión
por la facultad de Medios de la Comunicación del Instituto Superior de
Arte (ISA) de Cuba, es conocida en su país por sus obras poéticas, como
'Platea a oscuras' y 'Cabeza rapada', aunque su libro más destacado es
'Posar desnuda en La Habana. Diario Apócrifo de Anais'.

La autora ha lamentado que a Cuba no lleguen los autores españoles
jóvenes y ha revelado que desea publicar un libro titulado 'Alguien me
habló de las europas', que trata de su madre, una extraordinaria
escritora que, lamentablemente, nunca quiso publicar, ha destacado Guerra.

Terra Actualidad - EFE
http://actualidad.terra.es/cultura/articulo/wendy_guerra_cuba_822040.htm

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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:29:17 +0200
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
Subject: El embajador de Cuba en Espana dice que Aguirre se reunio con la
contrarrevolucion cubana

El embajador de Cuba en España dice que Aguirre se reunió con 'la
contrarrevolución cubana'

Velazco afirma en un comunicado que la funcionaria española 'seguramente
no se reunió con los miles de cubanos' a los que EE UU 'no permite
viajar a Cuba para visitar a sus familiares'.

Agencias

miércoles 5 de abril de 2006 15:07:00

El embajador de Cuba en España, Alberto Velazco, dijo este martes en un
comunicado que la presidenta de la Comunidad de Madrid, Esperanza
Aguirre, brindó en Miami "junto a los asesinos y torturadores del
régimen de Batista" y "se rodeó de la flor y nata de la
contrarrevolución cubana", informó EFE.

Velazco respondió así a las declaraciones de Aguirre de que "constituye
un insoportable escándalo que Cuba siga siendo una dictadura estalinista".

El embajador cubano dice que la funcionaria española, que se reunió este
martes con académicos y representantes del exilio cubano en el Instituto
de Estudios Cubanos y Cubano-Americanos de la Universidad de Miami, es
una "fiel seguidora" de la política del ex presidente del gobierno
español José María Aznar contra el gobierno de Castro.

Añade asimismo que Aguirre "seguramente no se reunió con los miles de
cubanos" a los que el gobierno estadounidense "no permite viajar a Cuba
para visitar a sus familiares".

"La imaginamos brindando junto a los asesinos y torturadores del régimen
de Batista, que allí recibieron refugio al triunfo de la revolución
cubana, o junto a los mercenarios reclutados en Miami para lanzar la
fracasada invasión a Playa Girón", señala Velazco en su comunicado.

Según el embajador, la presidenta de la Comunidad de Madrid estuvo en
Miami con "los que se han pasado cuatro décadas planeando asesinatos" u
"organizando actos terroristas" en la Isla y que "han causado la muerte
a miles de ciudadanos cubanos", y junto a "los que buscaron refugio para
asesinos como Luis Posada Carriles" y "organizaron el fraude electoral
que llevó" a George Bush a la Casa Blanca.

A la afirmación de Aguirre de que en España se considera Cuba como la
"provincia número 51", aunque "la número uno" en sus "preocupaciones",
Velazco responde que ella no "conoce" la historia y "no sabe" que Cuba
dejó de ser "colonia" de España "debido al titánico esfuerzo de su pueblo".

"Lo que sí es cierto es que estamos en el número uno en el corazón de
los españoles, por el cariño que sienten hacia nuestro pueblo, por los
lazos históricos que nos unen y por la defensa de los principios de
soberanía e independencia que representa la revolución cubana", concluye
el comunicado.

URL:
http://www.cubaencuentro.com/es/encuentro_en_la_red/cuba/noticias/el_embajad
or_de_cuba_en_espana_dice_que_aguirre_se_reunio_con_la_contrarrevolucion_cub
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:30:25 +0200
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
Subject: Un muerto y un herido guardafronteras disparan contra una
embarcacion de contrabando humano

Emigración
Un muerto y un herido: guardafronteras disparan contra una embarcación
de 'contrabando humano'

Retenidas 39 personas: 20 hombres, 12 mujeres y 7 niños, en la zona
costera de Bacunagua, señala una nota del diario oficial 'Granma'.

Redacción EER

jueves 6 de abril de 2006 12:17:00

Uno de los tripulantes de una lancha ha resultado muerto y otro herido
cuando la madrugada del miércoles una patrulla guardafrontera abrió
fuego contra una embarcación que se hallaba en aguas territoriales,
según publica este jueves el diario oficialista Granma.

El órgano oficial afirma que "el Jefe de la Operación ordenó abrir fuego
contra la lancha agresora. Ésta fue paralizada y ocupada de inmediato.
Dos de los tres tripulantes de la misma estaban heridos y uno de ellos
grave, evacuándose hacia el poblado de San Diego y desde allí al
Hospital Provincial de Pinar del Río, donde, a pesar de los esfuerzos de
los médicos, el más grave falleció en horas de la tarde".

La nota refiere que "las pesquisas han permitido identificar a dos de
los contrabandistas, ambos ciudadanos cubanos con pasaportes
norteamericanos, nombrados Rafael Mesa Fariñas y Rosendo Salgado Castro.
El nombre del lanchero fallecido no ha podido ser precisado hasta el
momento, pues no posee documentos de identificación".

Según informa el periódico, en una extensa nota en primera plana, el
hecho "tuvo lugar en la madrugada" del miércoles 5 de abril "en la costa
sur de la provincia Pinar del Río cuando una lancha rápida con matrícula
de Estados Unidos penetró en aguas territoriales".

"A las 03:45 a.m. del 5 de abril la tripulación de una pequeña lancha
patrullera desplegada al este de los cayos de San Felipe detectó la
presencia de una lancha rápida que viajaba en dirección noreste,
adentrándose en las aguas interiores cubanas".

Más adelante, el rotativo agrega que, "ante la orden de las unidades
guardafronteras a los tripulantes de la lancha de detener la marcha, los
traficantes respondieron con actitud desafiante y con acciones
agresivas, que incluyeron violentas embestidas contra una de las
embarcaciones de las Tropas Guardafronteras, la cual sufrió daños
múltiples y estuvo en peligro de volcarse, poniendo en serio peligro la
vida de los combatientes".

Granma afirma que "el pasado mes de marzo, en la última incursión
registrada, esta misma embarcación embistió y averió una lancha rápida
de Tropas Guardafronteras durante una de sus habituales operaciones de
tráfico humano".

"Antecedentes conocidos indican que la embarcación ocupada, con
matrícula de la Florida, pertenece a un ciudadano norteamericano de
origen cubano nombrado John Roberto (quien se hace llamar "Tiburón
Azul"), vinculado al tráfico de cubanos hacia México desde el sur de
Pinar del Río", añade el diario.

Asimismo, especifica que "en los pasaportes ocupados a los traficantes
constan autorizaciones de entrada a Quintana Roo, México, el 13 de marzo
del 2006 (Rosendo Salgado) y el 29 de marzo del 2006 (Rafael Mesa)".

Como resultado de la operación, Granma precisa que "fueron retenidas en
la zona costera de Bacunagua 39 personas: 20 hombres, 12 mujeres y 7
niños; una parte de los cuales (.) ha sido restituida a sus hogares tras
habérseles tomado declaraciones. El resto de los participantes (.)
permanece detenido mientras se esclarecen los hechos y se definen
responsabilidades".

URL:
http://www.cubaencuentro.com/es/encuentro_en_la_red/cuba/noticias/un_muerto_
y_un_herido_guardafronteras_disparan_contra_una_embarcacion_de_contrabando_h
umano

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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:31:41 +0200
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
Subject: Madrid llama la atencion al embajador cubano por sus criticas
contra Esperanza Aguirre

Madrid llama la atención al embajador cubano por sus críticas contra
Esperanza Aguirre

Un representante del gobierno telefoneó a Alberto Velazco San José para
indicarle que sus palabras 'no se corresponden con el trabajo que debe
tener un jefe de misión'.

Agencias

jueves 6 de abril de 2006 13:09:00

El Ministerio de Asuntos Exteriores de España llamó la atención al
embajador cubano en Madrid, Alberto Velazco San José, por sus críticas
vertidas contra la presidenta de la Comunidad de Madrid, Esperanza
Aguirre, tras reunirse con opositores cubanos en Miami, según
confirmaron fuentes diplomáticas.

El director general para Asuntos de Iberoamérica, Javier Sandomingo,
telefoneó al embajador cubano para indicarle que sus palabras contra una
representante de la institución pública española "no se corresponden con
el trabajo que debe tener un jefe de misión".

Según Europa Press, la Cancillería prefirió llamarle la atención por vía
telefónica antes que convocarle personalmente, lo que hubiera supuesto
un grado más en la protesta diplomática.

Velazco San José criticó este miércoles a Aguirre por sus declaraciones
en Miami, de quien dijo que es una "fiel seguidora de la política
aznarista" en contra de Cuba, por reunirse con la "flor y nata de la
contrarrevolución" y brindar "junto a los asesinos y torturadores del
régimen de Batista".

La presidenta regional madrileña expresó el martes a un grupo de
exiliados en Miami su "total apoyo y adhesión" a la causa de lograr "una
Cuba libre y democrática" y acabar con un régimen como el de Fidel
Castro que, para ella, "no es más que un trágico anacronismo donde la
gente vive atemorizada y condenada a la miseria y el silencio".

URL:
http://www.cubaencuentro.com/es/encuentro_en_la_red/cuba/noticias/madrid_lla
ma_la_atencion_al_embajador_cubano_por_sus_criticas_contra_esperanza_aguirre

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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:34:00 +0200
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
Subject: Washington demora la ayuda a los disidentes

Posted on Thu, Apr. 06, 2006

Washington demora la ayuda a los disidentes
P. BACHELET / The Miami Herald
WASHINGTON

Una serie de obstáculos administrativos están demorando la ayuda del
gobierno a diversos grupos con sede en Estados Unidos que respaldan a
las organizaciones a favor de la democracia y a los disidentes en Cuba,
dijeron ayer varios funcionarios y beneficiarios.

Aunque se afirma que las demoras son habituales debido a diferentes
labores que en la actualidad realiza el gobierno de EEUU, lo cierto es
que ocurren en un momento en que la administración del presidente Bush
está siendo sometida a una gran presión para que recorte gastos, algo
que provoca gran nerviosismo entre los que reciben donaciones.

Por ejemplo, el Informe para la Transición en Cuba, de la Universidad de
Miami (UM), aguarda un pago de $400,000 por parte de la Agencia
Norteamericana para el Desarrollo Internacional (USAID) que se debía
haber recibido el 1ro. de enero. ''Me imagino que deberá llegar dentro
de poco'', dijo Jaime Suchlicki, director del proyecto.

Teniendo en cuenta que la universidad entrega un adelanto del dinero
para el programa de dos años que comenzó el año pasado, financiar el
programa está garantizado, agregó Suchlicki, pero pueden haber trabas
antes de recibir los fondos.

Por su parte, Javier de Céspedes, director del Directorio Democrático
Cuban (DDC), un grupo que busca apoyo para organizaciones prodemocracia
que trabajan dentro de Cuba, dijo que está utilizando temporalmente
otras fuentes de financiamiento para cubrir el dinero que la USAID se ha
demorado en entregar. ''Simplemente, estamos utilizando fondos de otras
áreas'', dijo.

La representante Ileana Ros--Lehtinen, republicana de Miami, le planteó
el problema a la secretaria de Estado Condoleezza Rice poco después de
una audiencia que se celebró ayer en la Cámara, dijo su oficina.

Funcionarios del gobierno de Bush dicen que las demoras son el resultado
del lento trabajo del Congreso para aprobar el proyecto de ley para
gastos que autorizó las entregas a través del Fondo de Apoyo Económico
(ESF), del Departamento de Estado. El dinero entonces se distribuye a
través de la USAID, y los funcionarios tienen ahora que decidir cuánto
se le otorga a cada programa de ayuda a Cuba, algo que deberá concluir
en las próximas semanas.

''Los problemas de la política no han permitido que la ESF haga las
entregas'', dijo en un correo electrónico Jessica García, portavoz de la
USAID. En el año fiscal 2004, la USAID distribuyó $21.3 millones para
programas sobre Cuba, gracias a una gran asignación que el presidente
Bush le solicitó a la Comisión de Asistencia para una Cuba Libre.

La cifra disminuyó a $9 millones en el año fiscal 2006, aunque el
Departamento de Estado dice que le agregó$2 millones para que se
entreguen a través de su Programa de Asistencia para el Desarrollo.

El pasado 16 de marzo, los representantes republicanos Lincoln y Mario
Díaz-Balart, así como Ros-Lehtinen y otros siete legisladores enviaron
una carta al representante Jim Kolbe, republicano por Arizona y director
del subcomité sobre operaciones extranjeras del Comité de Apropiaciones
de la Cámara, solicitándole que los programas que apoyan la democracia
en Cuba deben aumentar sus fondos a $23 millones para el presupuesto del
año fiscal 2007 que se inicia el 1ro. de octubre. Hasta el momento, no
se ha tomado ninguna decisión.

http://www.miami.com/mld/elnuevo/14273048.htm

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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:41:12 +0200
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
Subject: Castro could drill off Florida coast

Posted on Thu, Apr. 06, 2006

Castro could drill off Florida coast

U.S. lawmakers aren't the only ones who, because of spiraling oil and
gas prices and an unstable commodities market, have been studying the
possibility of producing more domestic energy. Fidel Castro has also
taken an interest, and his ambitions will, in a surprisingly short
period of time, bring the Cuban drilling program much closer to the
Florida coast.

Who can blame him? Castro has for years looked for new opportunities to
develop his economy in the face of our trade embargo. He could only
expect to rely on Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez's oil and gas
giveaway for so long. So, with the intention of claiming billions of
dollars in new revenues and reducing his country's dependence on foreign
energy, Castro has taken to the high seas in an effort to acquire and
produce as much oil and gas as he can.

But there's a rub: Cuba has neither the capacity nor the technical
capability to produce this energy by itself. Castro has called in
contractors from Canada, Spain, Norway -- even China -- to do it for him.

And not only has Cuba convened its own little United Nations to help get
at vital and abundant supplies of offshore energy, it has chosen tracts
of real estate in the Gulf of Mexico as close as 45 miles from Florida.
Forty-five miles is just a bit farther than the distance between the
University of Miami and Fort Lauderdale.

Imagine what Castro is thinking as we spend our time quarreling over
whether we should produce American energy 100, 150 or 250 miles from the
Florida coast while he makes arrangements to set up shop hundreds of
miles closer. He must love that we've allowed emotion to win out over
reason, facts to be dwarfed by fear and our nation's energy policy to be
driven by unreasonable environmental concerns.

JOHN E. PETERSON, representative, 5th Congressional District, Penn.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/opinion/14273915.htm

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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:40:30 +0200
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
Subject: Castro article raises authenticity issues

Posted on Wed, Apr. 05, 2006

Castro article raises authenticity issues
NEWSPAPER, PUBLISHER INSIST AUTHOR INTERVIEWED CUBAN LEADER
By Frances Robles
Knight Ridder

MIAMI - It was supposed to be a big scoop, one of those rare tell-all
interviews with Fidel Castro that fills books and sells papers.

But the interview published Sunday in the prominent Spanish daily El
País has some apparent problems: Several quotes are verbatim from public
speeches the Cuban leader gave.

``When I read it, it sounded familiar,'' said Ernesto Hernández-Busto, a
Cuban writer based in Spain who discovered the similarities. ``It wound
up being a cut-and-paste operation.''

El País on Sunday published an excerpt from ``Fidel Castro: biografía a
dos voces'' (``Fidel Castro: A Two-Voiced Biography'') written by French
leftist intellectual Ignacio Ramonet and published by Debate, a division
of Random House Mondadori. The headline said Ramonet, the editor of Le
Monde Diplomatique, a Paris scholarly review, got an unprecedented 100
hours of conversations with Castro. His is only the fifth such book
based on conversations with Castro in 50 years, according to the Spanish
newspaper.

Close to government

Begun January 2003, the last interview was in December, El País said.
Ramonet is known to be close to the Cuban government and has written a
prior book on Castro.

In the excerpt of the book published by El País, Castro goes into great
detail about the time he slipped and fell in 2004, but is circumspect
about his brother Raúl's role in an eventual transition government.

``When I reached the concrete area, about 15 or 20 meters from the first
row of chairs, I did not realize that there was a relatively high curb
from the pavement to the crowd. My left foot came down into the air,
because of the difference in height. The momentum, and the law of
gravity discovered some time ago by Newton, caused me, when I took that
false step, to plunge forward until I fell, in a fraction of a second,
onto the pavement,'' Ramonet quoted Castro.

That's exactly what he told the Cuban people in a letter explaining his
fall published Oct. 21, 2004, in the government newspaper Granma.

Ramonet wrote that when he asked whether Cuba's socialist revolution
could dissolve, the excerpts have Castro saying: ``This country can
self-destruct; this revolution can destroy itself, but they can never
destroy us; we can destroy ourselves, and it would be our fault.''

An English language transcript provided to the Miami Herald by the Cuban
government of a Nov. 17 Castro speech states: ``This country can
self-destruct; this Revolution can destroy itself, but they can never
destroy us; we can destroy ourselves, and it would be our fault.''

Publisher responds

Random House Mondadori insists that Ramonet did interview Castro, and
defends the writer with a simple explanation: The Cuban leader is
nothing if not repetitive.

``Fidel Castro is an older man who has been saying the same things for
years,'' spokeswoman Carlota del Amo said by phone from Barcelona. ``We
believe in Ignacio Ramonet 100 percent. He says it was an interview,
then of course it was an interview.''

She said the book is based on a documentary that shows Ramonet
interviewing the Cuban leader.

Ramonet could not be reached for comment. His office in Paris said he
was out of town until next week, and he did not respond to an e-mail
from the Miami Herald.

In 2002, Ramonet was involved in another flap when an article he
purportedly wrote criticizing Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez appeared
in a Caracas newspaper. Ramonet first denied writing the article and
accused the paper of publishing it without verifying it with him.

He later admitted writing it as a spoof to illustrate what he said was
the unreliability of the Venezuelan media.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/14267424.htm

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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:41:55 +0200
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
Subject: Chaos As AirZim Cancels Yet Another Flight

Chaos As AirZim Cancels Yet Another Flight

Financial Gazette (Harare)
NEWS
April 5, 2006
Posted to the web April 6, 2006

By Kumbirai Mafunda Senior Business Reporter
Harare

ZIMBABWE'S national airline, Air Zimbabwe, has slipped further into
chaos amid revelations that it once again cancelled a chartered flight
to Cuba last Tuesday after failing to secure adequate fuel supplies.

Sources said the national passenger carrier, which was once voted the
best airline in Africa by a United Kingdom-based institute in 1998,
failed to secure fuel supplies from BP & Shell, its supplier of Jet A1.

BP & Shell is alleged to have asked Air Zimbabwe to settle its energy
debt first, estimated at $30 billion, before it could release any
supplies to the debt-ridden AirZim.

Air Zimbabwe gets fuel from private operators such as BP and Total
because it doesn't have equipment recommended for dispensing fuel from
tankers to the aircraft.

Presently, the national carrier requires about 450 000 litres of Jet A1
per week. But there is pressure to increase consumption after the recent
launch of a summer schedule that added more routes for the airline.

The Cuba flight was scheduled to leave Harare last Tuesday morning and
to make a brief stopover in London before proceedings to Havana.

The aircraft, chartered by the Ministry of Health and Child Welfare, was
supposed to fly Cuban doctors who had finished their attachments at
government hospitals back to their country.

But as a result of the fuel crisis, the Havana flight had to be
rescheduled and only left Harare last Wednesday morning via Lusaka,
where it refuelled after the airline managed to secure some foreign
currency.

Three weeks ago the national airline was forced to cancel its
Bulawayo-Harare flight after its aircraft failed to refuel in Bulawayo
because of a power outage imposed by the ZESA Holdings at Joshua Mqabuko
Nkomo International Airport.

Early last month, Air Zimbabwe cancelled a Harare-Beijing via Singapore
flight after it failed to release an aircraft, a B767, which was
undergoing a crucial check.

And just recently, a Johannesburg-bound plane aborted its trip because
of a technical fault after take off.

Air Zimbabwe spokesperson David Mwenga confirmed last Tuesday's flight
disruption, attributing it to the delay by a client in processing payment.

"Our client was not able to have the funds we required processed quickly
and we also needed the money to pay for onward movement," Mwenga said.

Apart from inflicting fuel shortages, Zimbabwe's six-year foreign
currency crisis posed problems for the airline in procuring replacement
parts, causing one of the airline's aeroplanes, a Boeing 737, to be
grounded.

Air Zimbabwe insiders also say that a Morden Ark (MA60) aircraft that
was donated by China after Harare bought two similar planes to service
some domestic and regional routes has been grounded for the past three
weeks after it developed some engine problems.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200604060326.html

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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:43:11 +0200
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
Subject: Cuba breaks up people smuggling attempt 1 dead

Cuba breaks up people smuggling attempt; 1 dead
Thu Apr 6, 2006 10:51 AM ET

HAVANA (Reuters) - Cuban coast guards opened fire on smugglers in a
U.S.-registered speedboat, killing one smuggler and arresting 39 people
who were waiting to slip out of the country, Granma newspaper said on
Thursday.

Two smugglers also were wounded when they refused to stop their 40-foot
launch and came under fire from a Cuban coast guard patrol boat.

The smuggler's boat, which is owned by a Cuban-American based in
Florida, was intercepted on Wednesday morning off the south coast of the
western province of Pinar del Rio, Granma said.

The newspaper identified the owner of the speedboat as John Roberto,
known as Blue Shark, of Florida and said the smugglers had planned to
ferry the Cubans to Mexico.

Two Cuban-Americans named Rafael Mesa Farinas and Rosendo Salgado Castro
were wounded. A third man who was not immediately identified died later
in hospital, the ruling Communist Party newspaper said.

Police arrested 39 people, including 12 women and seven children, in
connection with the attempt to leave Cuba illegally, Granma said. The
women and children were later taken to their homes, it said.

Hundreds of Cubans leave their country every year by sea, increasingly
paying smugglers about $8,000 to take them across the Florida Straits to
the United States.

Some smugglers have turned their operations to Mexico and Central
America to avoid interception by the U.S. Coast Guard.

Cuba blames the U.S. government for encouraging illegal emigration from
the island by granting almost automatic residence to Cubans who make it
across to dry land in the United States.

Under Washington's controversial "dry-foot, wet-foot" policy adopted
after a mass exodus of Cubans in 1994, boat people intercepted at sea
are returned to Cuba.

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=domesticNews&storyID=200
6-04-06T145136Z_01_N06273259_RTRUKOC_0_US-CUBA-SMUGGLERS.xml&archived=False

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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:46:16 +0200
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
Subject: Cuba buys train engines buses from China

Cuba buys train engines, buses from China

HAVANA (AFP) -- President Fidel Castro said Cuba has bought from China
100 train engines and more than 7,000 buses for delivery this year, as
part of his "energy revolution" to save fuel and improve public
transport on the communist island.

"One hundred train engines ... we've also signed contracts for 1,000
20-ton trucks," Castro, 79, said Tuesday at the Karl Marx Theater, on
the anniversary of two communist youth organizations.

Castro said more than 7,000 buses would be delivered by China this year,
and "thousands of passenger railroad cars are being repaired" for future
service in Cuba.

He said the purchases were part of his "energy revolution" for
nationwide fuel conservation. He said Cuba's public transport sector
also needed upgrading after the deterioration that set in following the
demise of the Soviet Union in 1991.

Cuba in January received 12 Chinese train engines valued at 15 million
dollars (12 million euros). In February, it received 1,000
fuel-efficient buses from the Yutong company.

China is Cuba's second largest trading partner after Venezuela. They
exchanged goods of more than 550 million dollars last year.

Cuba-China bilateral trade is expected to grow 48 percent this year
focusing on transportation, mineral extraction (nickel), electronic
goods, biotechnology, tourism and shipbuilding.

http://www.tehrantimes.com/Description.asp?Da=4/6/2006&Cat=9&Num=12

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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:47:03 +0200
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
Subject: Snafu delays US funding for Cuban American groups

Posted on Wed, Apr. 05, 2006

Snafu delays U.S. funding for Cuban-American groups
BY PABLO BACHELET
Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON - Administrative snags are delaying government aid to
U.S.-based groups that support pro-democracy organizations and
dissidents in Cuba, several U.S. officials and recipients said Wednesday.

The delays, though said to be a routine result of U.S. government
operations, come at a time that the Bush administration is under
pressure to cut spending, fueling nervousness among grant recipients.

The University of Miami's Cuba Transition Report, for example, is
awaiting a payment of $400,000 from the U.S. Agency for International
Development (USAID) that was due Jan. 1. "I presume that it's going to
come in," said Jaime Suchlicki, who heads the project.

Since the university advances the money for the two-year program, which
began last year, financing for the program is guaranteed, Suchlicki
added, but smaller operations will feel the pinch.

Javier de Cespedes, who heads the Cuban Democratic Directorate, a group
that seeks to provide support for pro-democracy organizations in Cuba,
said he is temporarily using other funding sources to cover what USAID
is late in delivering. "We just shift funds from other areas," he said.

Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, a Florida Republican, raised the issue with
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice shortly before a congressional
hearing Wednesday, her office said.

Administration officials say the delays are the result of Congress' slow
work in approving the spending bill that authorized the outlays through
the State Department's Economic Support Fund (ESF). The money is then
disbursed through USAID, and officials are now deciding how much to
allocate to each Cuba program.

"Policy issues are not holding up ESF allocations," Jessica Garcia, a
spokeswoman for USAID, said in an e-mail.

In the 2004 fiscal year, USAID disbursed $21.3 million for Cuba
programs, thanks to a big one-time allotment called for by President
Bush's Commission for Assistance to a Free Cuba.

The amount decreased to $9 million in fiscal 2006, although the State
Department says it is adding $2 million to be allotted through its
Development Assistance program.

On March 16, Florida Republican Reps. Lincoln Diaz-Balart, Mario
Diaz-Balart and Ros-Lehtinen and seven other lawmakers wrote to Rep. Jim
Kolbe, R-Ariz., chairman of the subcommittee on foreign operations of
the House Appropriations Committee, asking that funding for Cuba
democracy programs be increased to $23 million for the 2007 fiscal year
that begins Oct. 1. No action has been taken to date.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/politics/14272748.htm

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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:48:08 +0200
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
Subject: Cuban Coast Guard shoots 2 suspected migrant smugglers from US

Posted on Thu, Apr. 06, 2006

Cuban Coast Guard shoots 2 suspected migrant smugglers from U.S.
ANITA SNOW
Associated Press

HAVANA - The Cuban Coast Guard shot two suspected migrant smugglers from
the United States, killing one, when they and a third man refused orders
to halt their speed boat as it neared the island, official media said
Thursday.

The Communist Party daily Granma said the confrontation occurred
Wednesday morning near Cuba's southern coast in the western province of
Pinar del Rio.

The Coast Guard official in charge ordered officers to open fire after
the three-man crew aboard the 40-foot boat failed to stop as ordered and
launched "violent sudden attacks" on a Coast Guard vessel, damaging the
craft and almost causing it to overturn, the report said.

It said that two men aboard the U.S.-based boat were wounded by gunfire
and taken to a local hospital, where one died Wednesday afternoon, the
report said.

Cuban authorities said the identity of the dead man was not immediately
known because he did not have any documents and the other two men were
not cooperating.

The other two men carried U.S. passports identifying them as Rafael Mesa
Farinas and Rosendo Salgado Castro. It was unclear which of those two
was wounded, or how seriously.

A spokesman for the U.S. Interests Section in Havana said American
authorities were investigating the incident but had not yet released any
information.

The shooting death of a suspected migrant smuggler by Cuban authorities
was unusual. Most violence during migration attempts has occurred in
confrontations between Cuban authorities and would-be migrants who
hijacked boats or planes.

Cuban authorities blamed Wednesday's confrontation on U.S. migration
policies they say encourage its citizens to undertake risky journeys to
get to the United States.

But Ninoska Perez Castellon, spokeswoman for the Miami-based Cuban
Liberty Council, blamed the island's communist government, accusing it
of tolerating migrant smuggling.

"The Cuban government has the authority to let them go in and out," she
said. "For anybody to believe that all those people are coming in and
out without the government getting a cut is ridiculous."

But she also blamed the smugglers, saying they often bring 30 or 40
people on a boat made for six, charging them around $10,000 each.

"That's why you see these terrible accidents," she said. "In the exile
community, people are desperate to bring in their family here."

The passports of two suspected smugglers involved in Wednesday's
confrontation showed they recently visited the Mexican southeastern
state of Quintana Roo, where Cuban authorities believe they had planned
to take a boatload of illegal migrants.

Cuban authorities later temporarily took into custody 39 people they
believe had been scheduled to leave the island on the speedboat: 20 men,
12 women and seven children.

After giving statements to authorities, most were later sent home.
Several, however, remained in custody pending further questioning.

The speed boat, named the "Tiburon Azul," or "Blue Shark" in English, is
registered to an American man of Cuban origin named John Roberto and has
traveled to Cuba numerous times on migrant smuggling trips in the past,
many of them through Mexico, the report said.

"The events in the pre-dawn hours of yesterday in the waters south of
Pinar del Rio confirm the irresponsible, criminal and aggressive
character of United States policy toward Cuba, especial the deliberate
use of the issue of migration against the Revolution," Granma said in
the front page report.

It went on to criticize as "cynical" the Cuban Adjustment Act, a 1966
law that grants U.S. residency to most Cubans one year after reaching
American soil. That privilege does not apply to apply to immigrants from
most other nations.

Under current American policy, most would-be Cuban migrants the U.S.
Coast Guard picks up at sea are returned to the island, but most who
reach American soil are allowed to stay.

Mexico is among several routes migrant smugglers use to get Cuban
migrants into the United States, and Quintana Roo, home to the Caribbean
resorts of Cancun, Cozumel and Isla Mujeres, has become an increasingly
popular transshipment point.

From there, the migrants travel to the U.S. border with Mexico, where
they identify themselves as Cubans to American officials and are often
allowed to stay.

Associated Press writer Laura Wides-Munoz in Miami contributed to this
report.
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/14278486.htm

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Message: 21
Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:42:34 +0200
From: PL <pl.nospam@pandora.be>
Subject: Cuban coast guard kills migrant smuggler suspect

Report: Cuban coast guard kills migrant smuggler suspect

HAVANA, Cuba (AP) -- The Cuban coast guard shot two suspected migrant
smugglers from the United States, killing one, when they and a third man
refused orders to halt their speed boat as it neared the island,
official media said Thursday.

The Communist Party daily Granma said the confrontation occurred
Wednesday morning near Cuba's southern coast in the western province of
Pinar del Rio.

The ranking Coast Guard officer ordered officers to open fire after the
three-man crew aboard the 40-foot (12-meter) boat failed to stop as
ordered and launched "violent sudden attacks" on a coast guard vessel,
damaging the craft and almost causing it to overturn, the newspaper said.

It said that two men aboard the U.S.-based boat were wounded by gunfire
and taken to a local hospital, where one died Wednesday afternoon, the
report said.

Cuban authorities said the identity of the dead man was not immediately
known because he did not have any documents and the other two men were
not cooperating.

The other two men carried U.S. passports identifying them as Rafael Mesa
Farinas and Rosendo Salgado Castro. It was unclear which of those two
was wounded, or how seriously.

The passports showed the men recently had visited the Mexican
southeastern state of Quintana Roo, where Cuban authorities believe they
had planned to take a boatload of illegal migrants.

Cuban authorities later temporarily took into custody 39 people they
believe had been scheduled to leave the island on the speedboat: 20 men,
12 women and seven children.

After giving statements to authorities, most were later sent home.
Several, however, remained in custody pending further questioning.

The speed boat, named the "Tiburon Azul," is registered to an American
man of Cuban origin named John Roberto and has traveled to Cuba numerous
times on migrant smuggling trips in the past, many of them through
Mexico, the report said.

"The events in the pre-dawn hours of yesterday in the waters south of
Pinar del Rio confirm the irresponsible, criminal and aggressive
character of United States policy toward Cuba, especially the deliberate
use of the issue of migration against the Revolution," Granma said in
the front-page report.

It went on to criticize as "cynical" the Cuban Adjustment Act, a 1966
law that grants U.S. residency to most Cubans one year after reaching
American soil. That privilege does not apply to apply to immigrants from
most other nations.

Under American policy, most would-be Cuban migrants the U.S. Coast Guard
picks up at sea are returned to the island, but most who reach American
soil are allowed to stay.

Mexico is among several routes migrant smugglers use to get Cuban
migrants into the United States, and Quintana Roo, home to the Caribbean
resorts of Cancun, Cozumel and Isla Mujeres, has become an increasingly
popular transshipment point.

From there, the migrants travel to the U.S. border with Mexico, where
they identify themselves as Cubans to American officials and are often
allowed to stay.

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press.

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/04/06/cuba.smuggling.ap/

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 11:17 pm
From: "PM"

The Institute for Cuban and Cuban-American Studies

Invites you to

"A Conversation with Lucie Arnaz"

INTRODUCTION: Jaime Suchlicki, Director, ICCAS

INTERVIEWER: Olga Connor, distinguished scholar and columnist at el
Nuevo Herald

DATE: Tuesday, April 11, 2006, 7:00 pm - 9:00 p.m.

WHERE: Casa Bacardi/Olga-Carlos Saladrigas Hall
University of Miami, 1531 Brescia Avenue, Coral Gables, Fl

RSVP: The Institute for Cuban and Cuban-American
Studies

(305) 284-CUBA (2822). Free and open to the public. Seating capacity
limited, reservations strongly suggested.

Lucie Arnaz, daughter of Lucille Ball and Desi Arnaz, will be in Miami as
the feature star in "Sonia Flew" a play inspired by the exodus of more than
14,000 Cuban children who found themselves separated from their parents to
escape Fidel Castro in what became known in the 1960s as the "Pedro Pan"
movement. It recalls the impact of those years on a Pedro Pan who has now
reached maturity and the effect the separation had on her life. Faced with
the thought of losing her own child, Sonia, played by Lucie Arnaz, and
costarring her daughter Katharine Luckinbill, a Theatre Major at the
University of Miami, must come to terms with her past, her family's present
and her son's future.

Author Melinda Lopez has written this dramatic story of a family's struggle
between love and separation. The play will be shown at the Coconut Grove
Playhouse from April 21 to May 14.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 11:18 pm
From: "PM"

CARACAS.- El fotógrafo venezolano Jorge Aguirre salió a cubrir el miércoles
por la mañana una protesta contra la muerte de los hermanos Faddoul, tres
chicos asesinados después de permanecer secuestrados un mes y medio.
Mientras trabajaba, fue disparado en el pecho por un efectivo de la Policía
Metropolitana. Antes de caer herido de muerte, Aguirre también disparó, con
su cámara, a su asesino.

El fotógrafo Jorge Aguirre. (Foto: EL MUNDO)

El fotógrafo, de 59 años, trabajaba para el diario venezolano 'El Mundo'.
Este rotativo señala que el agente policial interceptó a Aguirre mientras se
desplazaba cerca de la Universidad Central de Venezuela, en un vehículo
identificado con el nombre del periódico.

Según el relato del conductor del vehículo, se encontraban en un atasco en
la autopista Francisco Fajardo, a la altura del mural de Pedro León Zapata,
cuando un hombre que vestía chaqueta negra, gafas oscuras y que conducía una
moto marca Yamaha sin matrícula (que se ve en la foto tomada por Aguirre) se
colocó al lado del conductor. Con una pistola en la mano les ordenó que se
detuvieran, diciendo «soy una autoridad», pese a que no mostro ningún
documento que así lo acreditara.

'El Mundo' informa de que "al no obedecer este mandato, el presunto policía
rodeó el carro y disparó en dos ocasiones contra la puerta trasera del lado
del copiloto". Después, el conductor paró el coche, Aguirre se bajó y en ese
momento recibió un disparo en el tórax de una pistola 9 milímetros.

El asesino huyó. Pero, arrodillado en el suelo, junto al vehículo, el
fotógrafo apuntó con su cámara al agresor y lo atrapó en una instantánea
durante su huida (en el centro de la imagen). En la fotografía puede verse
cómo varias personas lo señalan cuando escapaba. Después, Jorge Aguirre fue
trasladado al Hospital Clínico Universitario, donde falleció en el
quirófano.

Una hija del fotógrafo trabaja en España.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 11:20 pm
From: "PM"

CARACAS.- El fotógrafo venezolano Jorge Aguirre salió a cubrir el miércoles
por la mañana una protesta contra la muerte de los hermanos Faddoul, tres
chicos asesinados después de permanecer secuestrados un mes y medio.
Mientras trabajaba, fue disparado en el pecho por un efectivo de la Policía
Metropolitana. Antes de caer herido de muerte, Aguirre también disparó, con
su cámara, a su asesino.

El fotógrafo Jorge Aguirre. (Foto: EL MUNDO)

El fotógrafo, de 59 años, trabajaba para el diario venezolano 'El Mundo'.
Este rotativo señala que el agente policial interceptó a Aguirre mientras se
desplazaba cerca de la Universidad Central de Venezuela, en un vehículo
identificado con el nombre del periódico.

Según el relato del conductor del vehículo, se encontraban en un atasco en
la autopista Francisco Fajardo, a la altura del mural de Pedro León Zapata,
cuando un hombre que vestía chaqueta negra, gafas oscuras y que conducía una
moto marca Yamaha sin matrícula (que se ve en la foto tomada por Aguirre) se
colocó al lado del conductor. Con una pistola en la mano les ordenó que se
detuvieran, diciendo «soy una autoridad», pese a que no mostro ningún
documento que así lo acreditara.

'El Mundo' informa de que "al no obedecer este mandato, el presunto policía
rodeó el carro y disparó en dos ocasiones contra la puerta trasera del lado
del copiloto". Después, el conductor paró el coche, Aguirre se bajó y en ese
momento recibió un disparo en el tórax de una pistola 9 milímetros.

El asesino huyó. Pero, arrodillado en el suelo, junto al vehículo, el
fotógrafo apuntó con su cámara al agresor y lo atrapó en una instantánea
durante su huida (en el centro de la imagen). En la fotografía puede verse
cómo varias personas lo señalan cuando escapaba. Después, Jorge Aguirre fue
trasladado al Hospital Clínico Universitario, donde falleció en el
quirófano.

Una hija del fotógrafo trabaja en España.

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TOPIC: WITH FRIENDS LIKE KIKES, AMERICA NEEDS NO ENEMIES!
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 9:54 pm
From: jsp722@gmail.com

I understand yor point, dear AnonMoos, but the fact remains that the
correct pronunciation of YOCHAI is only possible with a cock deeply
buried in your mouth.

Please do note that it is not enough to have it a cock in your anus, as
you do right now. Kabbalah is a serious science, and any deviation from
the sacred formulas can bring serious mishaps.

But if you carefully follow the instructions, which come from learned
rabbis, the word YOCHAI will resound corectly, and as powerful as the
tetragrammaton, IHVH, which means

I tching asshole
H ebrews enjoy eating
V ermins while sucking
H emorroids

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 12:55 am
From: "serwad"

"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
news:4435E977.ED6DC69E@io.com...
> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
>>news:4435D48A.9D4F26DA@io.com...
>
>>> You're confused about the pronunciation of "Yochai"!
>
>> ASK MOOSE, HE KNOWS KIKE LINGUO!
>
> Yep, I have some knowledge of French, Latin, Hebrew, and Arabic --
> while you know Serbian, bad English, and quaint antiquated 30-year-old
> Aussie slang...
Wa ana kelem arabi bardu!
Ya ponimayu po nashemu toze
Y no olvido espagnol tambien
Razumem naski isto
Pansku movu tezh rozume
Ich verstehn Deutch auch!

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 12:58 am
From: "serwad"

Niddah 13b
but from the corona upwards1 it is forbidden.
Rab stated: 'A man who wilfully causes erection should be placed2 under the
ban'. But why did he3 not say, 'This is forbidden'? Because the man4
merely incites his evil inclination against himself.5 R. Ammi, however,
stated: He4 is called a renegade, because such is the art of the evil
inclination: To-day it incites man to do one wrong thing,6 and to-morrow7
it incites him to worship idols and he proceeds to worship them.

There are others who read: R. Ammi8 stated, He who excites himself by
lustful thoughts will not be allowed to enter the division of the Holy One,
blessed be He. For here it is written, Was evil in the sight of the Lord,9
and elsewhere it is written, For Thou art not a God that hath pleasure in
wickedness; evil shall not sojourn with Thee.10

R.11 Eleazar stated: Who are referred to12 in the Scriptural text, Your
hands are full of blood?13 Those that commit masturbation with their hands.

It was taught at the school of R. Ishmael, Thou shalt not commit adultery14
implies, Thou shalt not practise masturbation either with hand or with foot.

Our Rabbis taught: 'proselytes and those that play with children delay the
advent of the Messiah'. The statement about proselytes may be understood on
the lines of the view of R. Helbo, for R. Helbo said, 'proselytes are as
hard for Israel to endure as a sore',15 what, however, could be meant by
'those that play with children'?16 If it be suggested: Those that practise
pederasty [it could well be objected]: Are not such people subject to
stoning?17 If, however, it be suggested: Those that practise onanism
through external contact18 [it could be objected]: Are not such deserving
destruction by flood?17 - The meaning rather is: Those that marry minors
who are not capable of bearing children, for R. Jose19 stated: The Son of
David20 will not come before all the souls in Guf21 will have been
disposed of, since it is said, For the spirit that enwrappeth itself is from
Me, and the souls which I have made.22

BUT IN THE CASE OF MEN IT OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF. The question was raised: Have
we here23 learnt a law or merely an execration? 'Have we here learnt a law'
as in the case where R. Huna cut off one's hand;24 'or merely an
execration'? - Come and hear what was taught: R. Tarfon said, 'If his hand
touched the membrum let his hand be cut off upon his belly'. 'But', they
said to him,25 'would not his belly be split'? 'It is preferable', he
replied, 'that his belly shall be split rather than that he should go down
into the pit of destruction'.26 Now if you concede that we have here27
learnt a law28 one can well understand why they said, 'Would not his belly
be split'; but if you maintain that we have only learnt of an execration,29
what could be meant by [the question] 'His belly be split'? - What then
would you suggest, that we have learnt here a law, would it not suffice, [it
may be objected, that the cutting off shall] not be done on his belly? - The
fact, however, is that it was this that R. Tarfon meant: Whosoever puts his
hand below his belly that hand shall be cut off. They said to R. Tarfon, 'If
a thorn stuck in his belly, should he not remove it'? 'No', he replied. 'But
[they said] would not his belly be split'?30 'It is preferable', he
replied, 'that his belly shall be split rather than that he should go down
to the pit of destruction'.26

MISHNAH. IN THE CASE OF A DEAF,31 AN IMBECILE, A BLIND OR AN INSANE32
WOMAN, IF OTHER WOMEN OF SOUND SENSES ARE AVAILABLE33 THEY ATTEND TO HER,34
AND SHE MAY THEN EAT TERUMAH.

GEMARA. Why should not a DEAF woman make her own examination, seeing that it
was taught: Rabbi stated, A deaf woman was living in our neighbourhood and
not only35 did she examine herself but her friends also on observing a
discharge would show it to her?36 - There it was a woman who could speak
but not hear while here the reference is to one who can neither speak nor
hear; as we have learnt: The deaf person of whom the Sages spoke is always37
one who can neither hear nor speak.38

A BLIND. Why should she not make her own examination and show the
testing-rag to her friend? - R. Jose son of R. Hanina replied: The 'blind'
is no part of the Mishnah.39

OR AN INSANE WOMAN. Is not this exactly the same as IMBECILE?40 This refers
to one whose mind was deranged owing to a disease.

Our Rabbis taught: A priest who is an imbecile may be ritually immersed and
then fed with terumah41 in the evening.42 He must also be watched that he
does not fall asleep.43 If he falls asleep he is deemed unclean44 and if
he does not fall asleep he remains clean. R. Eliezer son of R. Zadok ruled:
He should be provided with a leather bag.45 The Rabbis said to him: 'Would
not this cause heat all the more'? 'According to your view', he replied,
'should an imbecile have no remedy'? 'According to our view', they retorted,
'only if he falls asleep46 is he deemed unclean but if he does not fall
asleep he remains clean, while according to your view there is the
possibility that he might discharge a drop of blood of the size of a mustard
seed and this would be absorbed in the bag'.47

A Tanna taught: It was stated in the name of R. Eleazar, The imbecile is to
be provided with a metal bag. Abaye explained: It must be one of copper, as
we have learnt:48 R. Judah ruled, Those buds of hyssop49 are regarded50
as if they had been made of copper.51

R. Papa remarked: From this52 it may be inferred that breeches53 are
forbidden. But is it not written in Scripture, And thou shalt make them
linen breeches to cover the flesh of their nakedness?54 - That may be
explained as it was taught: To what were the breeches of the priests like?
They were like the knee breeches of horsemen, reaching upwards to the loins
and downwards to the thighs. They also had laces but had no padding either
back or front.55

Abaye stated:

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Original footnotes renumbered. See Structure of the Talmud Files
1.. In the direction of the body.
2.. Cf. Tosaf.
3.. Rab.
4.. Who indulges in the reprehensible practice.
5.. The practice, therefore, could only be condemned but not forbidden.
6.. Lit.,'tells him: Do so'.
7.. Lit., 'and on the morrow'.
8.. MS.M., 'Assi'.
9.. Gen. XXXVIII, 10.
10.. Ps. V, 5. analogy between the two expressions of 'evil'. Alfasi
(Shab. XIV) inserts, 'R. Eleazar said, What is meant by evil shall not
sojourn with thee? The evil (minded) man shall not sojourn in Thy dwelling'.
11.. So MS.M. and BaH. Cur. edd. and Alfasi, 'and R.'
12.. Lit., 'what'.
13.. Isa. I, 15.
14.. Ex. XX, 13.
15.. V. Yeb. 47b.
16.. Who apparently commit no crime at all.
17.. They are; while here they are merely described as delaying the advent
of the Messiah.
18.. Lit., 'by way of limbs'.
19.. Var. lec. 'Assi' (Yeb. 62a) 'Joseph' (MS.M.).
20.. The Messiah.
21.. Lit., 'Body', the region inhabited by the souls of the unborn.
22.. Isa. LVII, 16.
23.. In the expression of 'OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF'.
24.. Though the same expression (cf. prev. n.) was used. Sanh. 58b.
25.. Cur. edd. in parenthesis, 'If a thorn stuck in his belly should he
not remove it? He said to them: No'.
26.. Gehenna.
27.. In the expression of 'OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF.
28.. So that R. Tarfon's statement is to be taken literally.
29.. The 'cutting off' being a mere figure of speech.
30.. By the thorn.
31.. I.e., deaf-mute (v. Gemara infra).
32.. Lit., 'whose mind was deranged'.
33.. Lit., 'they have'.
34.. Lit., 'they prepare them', i.e., make the necessary examination and
supervise the prescribed ritual immersion.
35.. Lit., 'it was not enough'.
36.. Who was an authority on the subject, in order to obtain her opinion
on the colour whether it was that of clean or of unclean blood.
37.. Lit., 'in every place'.
38.. Hag. 2b.
39.. It is a spurious addition.
40.. Apparently it is; why then the repetition?
41.. Which is forbidden to an unclean priest.
42.. Since after due immersion one attains to cleanness at nightfall.
43.. In his sleep under his bedclothes heat might be engendered and this
would cause him to emit semen which would render him unclean and, therefore,
unfit to eat terumah.
44.. Cf. prev. n.
45.. Which can be examined for traces of semen before any terumah is given
to him.
46.. After immersion and after nightfall.
47.. Tosef. Nid. II. As it would thus be lost to sight the priest would be
regarded as clean and terumah would, as a result, be eaten by one who is in
fact unclean; and consequently an offence that is punishable by death (at
the hand of God) would unconsciously be committed.
48.. MS.M. and marg. n. Cur. edd., 'as it was taught'.
49.. Used in connection with the water of purification.
50.. When the water is measured to ascertain whether it contained
sufficient for a sprinkling (cf. supra 9a).
51.. Parah Xli, 5. Sc. as if they did not absorb any water at all; from
which it follows, in support of Abaye's explanation, that copper is a
non-absorbent.
52.. The prohibition of a bag supra on account of the heat it engenders.
53.. Such as engender heat, v. infra.
54.. Ex. XXVIII, 42.
55.. Hanging loosely round the organ the breeches could engender no heat.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 12:59 am
From: "serwad"

Niddah 13b
but from the corona upwards1 it is forbidden.
Rab stated: 'A man who wilfully causes erection should be placed2 under the
ban'. But why did he3 not say, 'This is forbidden'? Because the man4
merely incites his evil inclination against himself.5 R. Ammi, however,
stated: He4 is called a renegade, because such is the art of the evil
inclination: To-day it incites man to do one wrong thing,6 and to-morrow7
it incites him to worship idols and he proceeds to worship them.

There are others who read: R. Ammi8 stated, He who excites himself by
lustful thoughts will not be allowed to enter the division of the Holy One,
blessed be He. For here it is written, Was evil in the sight of the Lord,9
and elsewhere it is written, For Thou art not a God that hath pleasure in
wickedness; evil shall not sojourn with Thee.10

R.11 Eleazar stated: Who are referred to12 in the Scriptural text, Your
hands are full of blood?13 Those that commit masturbation with their hands.

It was taught at the school of R. Ishmael, Thou shalt not commit adultery14
implies, Thou shalt not practise masturbation either with hand or with foot.

Our Rabbis taught: 'proselytes and those that play with children delay the
advent of the Messiah'. The statement about proselytes may be understood on
the lines of the view of R. Helbo, for R. Helbo said, 'proselytes are as
hard for Israel to endure as a sore',15 what, however, could be meant by
'those that play with children'?16 If it be suggested: Those that practise
pederasty [it could well be objected]: Are not such people subject to
stoning?17 If, however, it be suggested: Those that practise onanism
through external contact18 [it could be objected]: Are not such deserving
destruction by flood?17 - The meaning rather is: Those that marry minors
who are not capable of bearing children, for R. Jose19 stated: The Son of
David20 will not come before all the souls in Guf21 will have been
disposed of, since it is said, For the spirit that enwrappeth itself is from
Me, and the souls which I have made.22

BUT IN THE CASE OF MEN IT OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF. The question was raised: Have
we here23 learnt a law or merely an execration? 'Have we here learnt a law'
as in the case where R. Huna cut off one's hand;24 'or merely an
execration'? - Come and hear what was taught: R. Tarfon said, 'If his hand
touched the membrum let his hand be cut off upon his belly'. 'But', they
said to him,25 'would not his belly be split'? 'It is preferable', he
replied, 'that his belly shall be split rather than that he should go down
into the pit of destruction'.26 Now if you concede that we have here27
learnt a law28 one can well understand why they said, 'Would not his belly
be split'; but if you maintain that we have only learnt of an execration,29
what could be meant by [the question] 'His belly be split'? - What then
would you suggest, that we have learnt here a law, would it not suffice, [it
may be objected, that the cutting off shall] not be done on his belly? - The
fact, however, is that it was this that R. Tarfon meant: Whosoever puts his
hand below his belly that hand shall be cut off. They said to R. Tarfon, 'If
a thorn stuck in his belly, should he not remove it'? 'No', he replied. 'But
[they said] would not his belly be split'?30 'It is preferable', he
replied, 'that his belly shall be split rather than that he should go down
to the pit of destruction'.26

MISHNAH. IN THE CASE OF A DEAF,31 AN IMBECILE, A BLIND OR AN INSANE32
WOMAN, IF OTHER WOMEN OF SOUND SENSES ARE AVAILABLE33 THEY ATTEND TO HER,34
AND SHE MAY THEN EAT TERUMAH.

GEMARA. Why should not a DEAF woman make her own examination, seeing that it
was taught: Rabbi stated, A deaf woman was living in our neighbourhood and
not only35 did she examine herself but her friends also on observing a
discharge would show it to her?36 - There it was a woman who could speak
but not hear while here the reference is to one who can neither speak nor
hear; as we have learnt: The deaf person of whom the Sages spoke is always37
one who can neither hear nor speak.38

A BLIND. Why should she not make her own examination and show the
testing-rag to her friend? - R. Jose son of R. Hanina replied: The 'blind'
is no part of the Mishnah.39

OR AN INSANE WOMAN. Is not this exactly the same as IMBECILE?40 This refers
to one whose mind was deranged owing to a disease.

Our Rabbis taught: A priest who is an imbecile may be ritually immersed and
then fed with terumah41 in the evening.42 He must also be watched that he
does not fall asleep.43 If he falls asleep he is deemed unclean44 and if
he does not fall asleep he remains clean. R. Eliezer son of R. Zadok ruled:
He should be provided with a leather bag.45 The Rabbis said to him: 'Would
not this cause heat all the more'? 'According to your view', he replied,
'should an imbecile have no remedy'? 'According to our view', they retorted,
'only if he falls asleep46 is he deemed unclean but if he does not fall
asleep he remains clean, while according to your view there is the
possibility that he might discharge a drop of blood of the size of a mustard
seed and this would be absorbed in the bag'.47

A Tanna taught: It was stated in the name of R. Eleazar, The imbecile is to
be provided with a metal bag. Abaye explained: It must be one of copper, as
we have learnt:48 R. Judah ruled, Those buds of hyssop49 are regarded50
as if they had been made of copper.51

R. Papa remarked: From this52 it may be inferred that breeches53 are
forbidden. But is it not written in Scripture, And thou shalt make them
linen breeches to cover the flesh of their nakedness?54 - That may be
explained as it was taught: To what were the breeches of the priests like?
They were like the knee breeches of horsemen, reaching upwards to the loins
and downwards to the thighs. They also had laces but had no padding either
back or front.55

Abaye stated:

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Original footnotes renumbered. See Structure of the Talmud Files
1.. In the direction of the body.
2.. Cf. Tosaf.
3.. Rab.
4.. Who indulges in the reprehensible practice.
5.. The practice, therefore, could only be condemned but not forbidden.
6.. Lit.,'tells him: Do so'.
7.. Lit., 'and on the morrow'.
8.. MS.M., 'Assi'.
9.. Gen. XXXVIII, 10.
10.. Ps. V, 5. analogy between the two expressions of 'evil'. Alfasi
(Shab. XIV) inserts, 'R. Eleazar said, What is meant by evil shall not
sojourn with thee? The evil (minded) man shall not sojourn in Thy dwelling'.
11.. So MS.M. and BaH. Cur. edd. and Alfasi, 'and R.'
12.. Lit., 'what'.
13.. Isa. I, 15.
14.. Ex. XX, 13.
15.. V. Yeb. 47b.
16.. Who apparently commit no crime at all.
17.. They are; while here they are merely described as delaying the advent
of the Messiah.
18.. Lit., 'by way of limbs'.
19.. Var. lec. 'Assi' (Yeb. 62a) 'Joseph' (MS.M.).
20.. The Messiah.
21.. Lit., 'Body', the region inhabited by the souls of the unborn.
22.. Isa. LVII, 16.
23.. In the expression of 'OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF'.
24.. Though the same expression (cf. prev. n.) was used. Sanh. 58b.
25.. Cur. edd. in parenthesis, 'If a thorn stuck in his belly should he
not remove it? He said to them: No'.
26.. Gehenna.
27.. In the expression of 'OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF.
28.. So that R. Tarfon's statement is to be taken literally.
29.. The 'cutting off' being a mere figure of speech.
30.. By the thorn.
31.. I.e., deaf-mute (v. Gemara infra).
32.. Lit., 'whose mind was deranged'.
33.. Lit., 'they have'.
34.. Lit., 'they prepare them', i.e., make the necessary examination and
supervise the prescribed ritual immersion.
35.. Lit., 'it was not enough'.
36.. Who was an authority on the subject, in order to obtain her opinion
on the colour whether it was that of clean or of unclean blood.
37.. Lit., 'in every place'.
38.. Hag. 2b.
39.. It is a spurious addition.
40.. Apparently it is; why then the repetition?
41.. Which is forbidden to an unclean priest.
42.. Since after due immersion one attains to cleanness at nightfall.
43.. In his sleep under his bedclothes heat might be engendered and this
would cause him to emit semen which would render him unclean and, therefore,
unfit to eat terumah.
44.. Cf. prev. n.
45.. Which can be examined for traces of semen before any terumah is given
to him.
46.. After immersion and after nightfall.
47.. Tosef. Nid. II. As it would thus be lost to sight the priest would be
regarded as clean and terumah would, as a result, be eaten by one who is in
fact unclean; and consequently an offence that is punishable by death (at
the hand of God) would unconsciously be committed.
48.. MS.M. and marg. n. Cur. edd., 'as it was taught'.
49.. Used in connection with the water of purification.
50.. When the water is measured to ascertain whether it contained
sufficient for a sprinkling (cf. supra 9a).
51.. Parah Xli, 5. Sc. as if they did not absorb any water at all; from
which it follows, in support of Abaye's explanation, that copper is a
non-absorbent.
52.. The prohibition of a bag supra on account of the heat it engenders.
53.. Such as engender heat, v. infra.
54.. Ex. XXVIII, 42.
55.. Hanging loosely round the organ the breeches could engender no heat.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 12:59 am
From: "serwad"

Niddah 13b
but from the corona upwards1 it is forbidden.
Rab stated: 'A man who wilfully causes erection should be placed2 under the
ban'. But why did he3 not say, 'This is forbidden'? Because the man4
merely incites his evil inclination against himself.5 R. Ammi, however,
stated: He4 is called a renegade, because such is the art of the evil
inclination: To-day it incites man to do one wrong thing,6 and to-morrow7
it incites him to worship idols and he proceeds to worship them.

There are others who read: R. Ammi8 stated, He who excites himself by
lustful thoughts will not be allowed to enter the division of the Holy One,
blessed be He. For here it is written, Was evil in the sight of the Lord,9
and elsewhere it is written, For Thou art not a God that hath pleasure in
wickedness; evil shall not sojourn with Thee.10

R.11 Eleazar stated: Who are referred to12 in the Scriptural text, Your
hands are full of blood?13 Those that commit masturbation with their hands.

It was taught at the school of R. Ishmael, Thou shalt not commit adultery14
implies, Thou shalt not practise masturbation either with hand or with foot.

Our Rabbis taught: 'proselytes and those that play with children delay the
advent of the Messiah'. The statement about proselytes may be understood on
the lines of the view of R. Helbo, for R. Helbo said, 'proselytes are as
hard for Israel to endure as a sore',15 what, however, could be meant by
'those that play with children'?16 If it be suggested: Those that practise
pederasty [it could well be objected]: Are not such people subject to
stoning?17 If, however, it be suggested: Those that practise onanism
through external contact18 [it could be objected]: Are not such deserving
destruction by flood?17 - The meaning rather is: Those that marry minors
who are not capable of bearing children, for R. Jose19 stated: The Son of
David20 will not come before all the souls in Guf21 will have been
disposed of, since it is said, For the spirit that enwrappeth itself is from
Me, and the souls which I have made.22

BUT IN THE CASE OF MEN IT OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF. The question was raised: Have
we here23 learnt a law or merely an execration? 'Have we here learnt a law'
as in the case where R. Huna cut off one's hand;24 'or merely an
execration'? - Come and hear what was taught: R. Tarfon said, 'If his hand
touched the membrum let his hand be cut off upon his belly'. 'But', they
said to him,25 'would not his belly be split'? 'It is preferable', he
replied, 'that his belly shall be split rather than that he should go down
into the pit of destruction'.26 Now if you concede that we have here27
learnt a law28 one can well understand why they said, 'Would not his belly
be split'; but if you maintain that we have only learnt of an execration,29
what could be meant by [the question] 'His belly be split'? - What then
would you suggest, that we have learnt here a law, would it not suffice, [it
may be objected, that the cutting off shall] not be done on his belly? - The
fact, however, is that it was this that R. Tarfon meant: Whosoever puts his
hand below his belly that hand shall be cut off. They said to R. Tarfon, 'If
a thorn stuck in his belly, should he not remove it'? 'No', he replied. 'But
[they said] would not his belly be split'?30 'It is preferable', he
replied, 'that his belly shall be split rather than that he should go down
to the pit of destruction'.26

MISHNAH. IN THE CASE OF A DEAF,31 AN IMBECILE, A BLIND OR AN INSANE32
WOMAN, IF OTHER WOMEN OF SOUND SENSES ARE AVAILABLE33 THEY ATTEND TO HER,34
AND SHE MAY THEN EAT TERUMAH.

GEMARA. Why should not a DEAF woman make her own examination, seeing that it
was taught: Rabbi stated, A deaf woman was living in our neighbourhood and
not only35 did she examine herself but her friends also on observing a
discharge would show it to her?36 - There it was a woman who could speak
but not hear while here the reference is to one who can neither speak nor
hear; as we have learnt: The deaf person of whom the Sages spoke is always37
one who can neither hear nor speak.38

A BLIND. Why should she not make her own examination and show the
testing-rag to her friend? - R. Jose son of R. Hanina replied: The 'blind'
is no part of the Mishnah.39

OR AN INSANE WOMAN. Is not this exactly the same as IMBECILE?40 This refers
to one whose mind was deranged owing to a disease.

Our Rabbis taught: A priest who is an imbecile may be ritually immersed and
then fed with terumah41 in the evening.42 He must also be watched that he
does not fall asleep.43 If he falls asleep he is deemed unclean44 and if
he does not fall asleep he remains clean. R. Eliezer son of R. Zadok ruled:
He should be provided with a leather bag.45 The Rabbis said to him: 'Would
not this cause heat all the more'? 'According to your view', he replied,
'should an imbecile have no remedy'? 'According to our view', they retorted,
'only if he falls asleep46 is he deemed unclean but if he does not fall
asleep he remains clean, while according to your view there is the
possibility that he might discharge a drop of blood of the size of a mustard
seed and this would be absorbed in the bag'.47

A Tanna taught: It was stated in the name of R. Eleazar, The imbecile is to
be provided with a metal bag. Abaye explained: It must be one of copper, as
we have learnt:48 R. Judah ruled, Those buds of hyssop49 are regarded50
as if they had been made of copper.51

R. Papa remarked: From this52 it may be inferred that breeches53 are
forbidden. But is it not written in Scripture, And thou shalt make them
linen breeches to cover the flesh of their nakedness?54 - That may be
explained as it was taught: To what were the breeches of the priests like?
They were like the knee breeches of horsemen, reaching upwards to the loins
and downwards to the thighs. They also had laces but had no padding either
back or front.55

Abaye stated:

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--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Original footnotes renumbered. See Structure of the Talmud Files
1.. In the direction of the body.
2.. Cf. Tosaf.
3.. Rab.
4.. Who indulges in the reprehensible practice.
5.. The practice, therefore, could only be condemned but not forbidden.
6.. Lit.,'tells him: Do so'.
7.. Lit., 'and on the morrow'.
8.. MS.M., 'Assi'.
9.. Gen. XXXVIII, 10.
10.. Ps. V, 5. analogy between the two expressions of 'evil'. Alfasi
(Shab. XIV) inserts, 'R. Eleazar said, What is meant by evil shall not
sojourn with thee? The evil (minded) man shall not sojourn in Thy dwelling'.
11.. So MS.M. and BaH. Cur. edd. and Alfasi, 'and R.'
12.. Lit., 'what'.
13.. Isa. I, 15.
14.. Ex. XX, 13.
15.. V. Yeb. 47b.
16.. Who apparently commit no crime at all.
17.. They are; while here they are merely described as delaying the advent
of the Messiah.
18.. Lit., 'by way of limbs'.
19.. Var. lec. 'Assi' (Yeb. 62a) 'Joseph' (MS.M.).
20.. The Messiah.
21.. Lit., 'Body', the region inhabited by the souls of the unborn.
22.. Isa. LVII, 16.
23.. In the expression of 'OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF'.
24.. Though the same expression (cf. prev. n.) was used. Sanh. 58b.
25.. Cur. edd. in parenthesis, 'If a thorn stuck in his belly should he
not remove it? He said to them: No'.
26.. Gehenna.
27.. In the expression of 'OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF.
28.. So that R. Tarfon's statement is to be taken literally.
29.. The 'cutting off' being a mere figure of speech.
30.. By the thorn.
31.. I.e., deaf-mute (v. Gemara infra).
32.. Lit., 'whose mind was deranged'.
33.. Lit., 'they have'.
34.. Lit., 'they prepare them', i.e., make the necessary examination and
supervise the prescribed ritual immersion.
35.. Lit., 'it was not enough'.
36.. Who was an authority on the subject, in order to obtain her opinion
on the colour whether it was that of clean or of unclean blood.
37.. Lit., 'in every place'.
38.. Hag. 2b.
39.. It is a spurious addition.
40.. Apparently it is; why then the repetition?
41.. Which is forbidden to an unclean priest.
42.. Since after due immersion one attains to cleanness at nightfall.
43.. In his sleep under his bedclothes heat might be engendered and this
would cause him to emit semen which would render him unclean and, therefore,
unfit to eat terumah.
44.. Cf. prev. n.
45.. Which can be examined for traces of semen before any terumah is given
to him.
46.. After immersion and after nightfall.
47.. Tosef. Nid. II. As it would thus be lost to sight the priest would be
regarded as clean and terumah would, as a result, be eaten by one who is in
fact unclean; and consequently an offence that is punishable by death (at
the hand of God) would unconsciously be committed.
48.. MS.M. and marg. n. Cur. edd., 'as it was taught'.
49.. Used in connection with the water of purification.
50.. When the water is measured to ascertain whether it contained
sufficient for a sprinkling (cf. supra 9a).
51.. Parah Xli, 5. Sc. as if they did not absorb any water at all; from
which it follows, in support of Abaye's explanation, that copper is a
non-absorbent.
52.. The prohibition of a bag supra on account of the heat it engenders.
53.. Such as engender heat, v. infra.
54.. Ex. XXVIII, 42.
55.. Hanging loosely round the organ the breeches could engender no heat.

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TOPIC: Mexico is Rich- They play American taxpayers for suckers
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/8283a66903ae7188
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 10:05 pm
From: "Stan de SD"

"Yez" <yezelel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns979C88DB2C7B3yezelel@127.0.0.1...
> Stan de SD flip flopped and wrote on alt.california:
>
> > "Yez" <yezelel@yahoo.com> wrote
> >> Stan de SD wrote on alt.california:
> >>
> >> > "Yez" <yezelel@yahoo.com> wrote...
> >> >> Just another American wrote on alt.california:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Mexican wealthy play American taxpayers for suckers
> >> >>
> >> >> So do America's wealthy, multi-national corporations and the
> >> >> military industrial machine, greed doesn't know boundries and the
> >> >> language is universal.
> >> >
> >> > America's multi-national corporations provide jobs for millions
> >> > and pay taxes. They provide something that people willingly pay
> >> > for, and pay real salaries to workers.
> >>
> >> Tish-tosh, real salaries would allow workers to buy health insurance
> >> instead of relying on the state. Further, Tyson, Halliburton,
> >> Wal-Mart are just a few of the big multi-nationals in recent memory
> >> that have had their hands slapped for exploiting undocumented
> >> workers.
> >
> > Real productive people can earn real salaries, and pay for their own
> > health care. Wal-Mart provides jobs to those who would otherwise be
> > unemployable
>
> Huh? Make up your mind dear, while you skip over the fact that they
> have been busted for hiring undocumented workers...

Where is that contradictory?

> we hear from one
> side of your face that they provide jobs that pay real salaries to
> workers

They are real salaries, paid in real money - the fact that you personally
don't think they are enough really doesn't matter.

> then out of the other side you make the patently absurd
> statement that they hire the otherwise unemployable, which is it?

You're way too ignorant to engage in such discussions, Yezelel. Better go
back to chanting your mantra of "Democrats good, Republican's bad" - it
doesn't require any thinking on your part.

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TOPIC: IRAQIS ARE UNITING IN THEIR FAITH OF ISLAM
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/4f10fffd54f245dd
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 1:08 am
From: "serwad"

The Iraqis aren't fools.
Faiza Al-Arji

Published Thursday, April 06, 2006

Friday, March 31st , 2006
Good evening...
I am still in America, for about a month now, very tired of traveling
around, moving from state to state, carrying bags, the uncomfortable sleep
during journeys, and the time-lag between the farther eastern states and the
farther western. My body is very exhausted, but the blood stained, sad news
from Iraq makes me forget my aches, and strengthen my resolve to move from
city to city, to talk about the pain and suffering of the Iraqis, for three
years now.

I can no longer remember all the details, because of the multitude of
cities, faces, activities, and the packed schedule, but I do remember our
meetings with people in churches, universities, houses, and small gatherings
in various non-governmental organizations. And I found the people
sympathetic and understanding towards the suffering of the Iraqi families;
of the bad security conditions, and the crippled daily life, for it is at
risk and with difficulty that people go about their business, send their
children to schools, go shopping, or go to a doctor. As for family visiting
or going out to a restaurant, well, those became memories of the past; for
who would take the risk of going out to visit a friend, or have a meal in a
restaurant?
The families suffer from the daily shortages of services; water,
electricity, and fuel. There aren't any rebuilding programs. There are daily
stories of millions of dollars' funds thefts, and the administrational
corruption of the government. There is a shortage in employment
opportunities, which created a high unemployment percentage among the
population, and that caused the immigration of the rich and middle class
young people from Iraq. The poor families' sons remained, to choose either
joining the Iraqi Army or Police Force, and thus become a target and a
victim to those who suspect them of being in collaboration with the
occupation, become murdering thieves and drug addicts, or become members in
the death and killing squads, or the dirty sectarian militia that is ripping
Iraq apart, aided by some who train and pay them. The Iraqis know who is
doing all that to them, but the people here do not know..
The people in the various Iraqi cities are hurting because of what is
happening in their country, being ripped apart, while they cannot do
anything to stop it. And they wonder: where is the key to solve the dilemma
of Iraq?
Is it in Washington? Or in the hands of the warring militias?
Both ways, the key is not in the hands of the Iraqi people.
Is there a catastrophe more grave than this??
After three years of the destruction and the ruin that befell our
country, the key to solve the problem is not in our hands?
Who is responsible for this; isn't it the stupid policy followed by
the American administration in Iraq?
They made the planning, and we are being destroyed, paying the price.
This is the way things are, in Iraq today.

People in Iraq usually live in mixed cities, and mixed neighborhoods.
There are some cities in which there is a bigger concentration of a sect
more than another, because of the presence of a religious shrine of that
sect, for example. The Iraqis have a historical and traditional culture
bearing a lot of tolerance and accepting the Other; marriages are mixed,
neighborhoods are mixed, schools and work locations are mixed, whether
official or private companies. Before the war, we used to tell jokes about
each other, and laugh. We say, for example:
A man went to a dentist and said: Doctor, my tooth is decayed, ((the
word ' My tooth' is written and pronounced = Sennie= Sunnie)), and the
doctor says: And is their a Sunnie who isn't decayed? Ha,ha,ha, we used to
laugh.
And in a joke about the Day of Judgment: In a graveyard, a Sunnie and
a Shia'at lay side by side, and on the Judgment Day, the Sunnie arose, but
the Shia'at said: No, not today, the Judgment Day is tomorrow for us.
Ha,ha,ha. Because it is their custom to differ from the Feast days and
Ramadan, and delay beginning them till the next day.
And we used to say: An Arab and a Kurd were sentenced to death, and
the guard came to ask them for a last request, the Kurd said: I want to see
my mother. And the Arab said: I do not want the Kurd to see his mother.
Ha,ha,ha, we used to laugh; the Arab in the joke is mean, and the Kurd
is wronged. And I used to accept that joke, tell it, we used to laugh about
it, and we are Arabs.
We all used to laugh; Sunnies and Shia'ats, Arabs and Kurds, we used
to laugh and accept one another; I am a Shia'at, my husband is a Sunnie. We
raised our children to love all the people, respect all the people, do not
discriminate between people, and hold no grudge against anyone.
Our neighbors were Arabs and Kurds, Muslims and Christians; we love
and respect them, and they love and respect us.this is how we used to live.
But Iraq today lives in a big dilemma, there isn't a place for the
neutral logicals, like us. There are some who support and finance the ugly
sectarian call, spiteful of the Other, to destroy the country.
And there are some who assassinate the voice of the logical neutrals.
All who speak with the sectarianism spirit, or say it was present
before the war, is just a fool who is destroying Iraq, knowingly, or not.
When I met Iraqi women and men here, those who are against the war and
the occupation, all were from various sorts- Muslims and Christians, Sunnies
and Shia'ats, Arabs, Kurds, and Turkman, men and women, they all spoke like
me, all their hearts burned in sadness for Iraq. We asked each other: Didn't
we live together, weren't our parents friends and neighbors, weren't we
childhood and school mates, did we ever ask: are you a Sunnie or a Shia'at?
A Kurd or an Arab?
But now, who tore Iraq apart but this ugly occupation?
The picture gets clearer when we all meet, feel that our hearts are
united, and there is one enemy targeting us, wanting to tear our unity
apart, and divide our country.
The Iraqis aren't fools, these calamities strengthen our unity and
solidarity. People in Baghdad collect donations, from all families, from all
sects and ethnics, building the demolished mosques, so that Al-Athan (= the
Islamic call for prayer) should rise and call in the Iraqi cities: Allahu
Akhbar..GOD IS Great.
This is what they want to deprive the Iraqis from hearing..
Someone out there is targeting our identity and religion, to shred
them.
The Iraqis aren't fools.

The Americans usually ask, at the end of each meeting: What can we do
to help the Iraqis?
And I usually say: Tell your friends and neighbors the truth of what
is happening in Iraq, this isn't a noble mission, do not send your sons to
war, put pressure on your government to pull the armies out of Iraq, and
stop building the bases. Do not interfere with the future of Iraq, leave
Iraq for the Iraqis.
The last time, we had two days of joint activities in various
neighborhoods inside San Francisco, we had many participants, one of them
was Scott Ritter, the Weapons Inspector in Iraq during the embargo. He spoke
to the audience about his rejection of the war since the beginning, that
Iraq had no Weapons of Mass Destruction, that this American administration
is practicing an incorrect policy in Iraq; they waged the war for false
reasons, and until now they are justifying their staying in Iraq with false
justifications.
And when people asked him-What should they do, he got angry, and
answered harshly: Don't be fools, you put this administration as a
government, don't say -someone forged the elections. You should open your
eyes and change your lives. Change your life style from relying on Oil and
its revenues that come from occupying other countries, tell your government
that you can live in austerity on your resources only, there is no need for
wars and steeling the revenues of others.
I sat in amazement, watching this angry, frank debate.
He accused them, and they refused these accusations..
I knew the truth of America here, during this month.
People here are weak, submissive, their will taken from them.
They want the change, but do not know how, or else, they are yielding
people, who lost hope in their ability to cause change. The decision in this
country is in the hands of the wealthy, who own the money, the banks, and
the giant companies, and of course- the Media, that controls the minds of
simple people.
Even the election system is controlled by money; the Candidate needs
millions of dollars for the election campaign, meaning- who would care for a
Candidate of principals, humanity, justice, and peace, who shall take care
of him, or finance his campaign?
But that who is ready to market the ideas of the rich class, the class
that loves wars and investments, will find someone to spend millions on his
campaign, will tell people all the nice promises and glamorous slogans. They
will elect him, and when he gets to the chair, and sits in the position of
decision- making, he will carry out the instructions of the major companies
that financed his campaign, not the poor Americans who elected him.
And so, people would live in one realm, and the decision- maker,
having abandoned them, would live in another.
This is the reality of things in America.
And the Iraq war is the most evident example.
There is a huge popular anger, from before the war, till now, but
people's opinion is marginalized, no one sees that opinion in the newspapers
or the media, not even give a hint about it in a petty way. It gets lost
with the tide of news, with different features about actors and athletes,
then the commercials, the weather broadcast, the financial and ecological
news. And the issue of Iraq gets lost in the jam of stories, commercials,
and empty talk.
I keep asking myself, when I see the American's sorrow and their
inability to change decisions, or influence its makers in the country: Is
this the democracy that Bush and Gondalisa Rice brag about? For which they
destroyed Iraq in order to implement?
The government is strong, rich, and opinionated about decision and
opinion, the people are poor, weak, and no one cares about them, they walk
out in demonstrations, they shout, some of them are arrested and go to jail,
others make documentary films, and talk against the government's policies.
But in result, who cares?
How many of the 350 million Americans will hear him?
And where is the decision?
The decision is in the hands of those who sit in the White House, the
Pentagon, and the Congress.
And they are as far off as can be from the ordinary citizen and his
opinion.
As far off as can be.
I felt sorry for these people.
This country is definitely living in a crisis, and the Iraq war is the
issue that revealed everything as it truly is .

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TOPIC: DO NOT MESS WITH IRAN, KIKE!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c6d79a4043be4c6e
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 1:09 am
From: "serwad"

The Iraqis aren't fools.
Faiza Al-Arji

Published Thursday, April 06, 2006

Friday, March 31st , 2006
Good evening...
I am still in America, for about a month now, very tired of traveling
around, moving from state to state, carrying bags, the uncomfortable sleep
during journeys, and the time-lag between the farther eastern states and the
farther western. My body is very exhausted, but the blood stained, sad news
from Iraq makes me forget my aches, and strengthen my resolve to move from
city to city, to talk about the pain and suffering of the Iraqis, for three
years now.

I can no longer remember all the details, because of the multitude of
cities, faces, activities, and the packed schedule, but I do remember our
meetings with people in churches, universities, houses, and small gatherings
in various non-governmental organizations. And I found the people
sympathetic and understanding towards the suffering of the Iraqi families;
of the bad security conditions, and the crippled daily life, for it is at
risk and with difficulty that people go about their business, send their
children to schools, go shopping, or go to a doctor. As for family visiting
or going out to a restaurant, well, those became memories of the past; for
who would take the risk of going out to visit a friend, or have a meal in a
restaurant?
The families suffer from the daily shortages of services; water,
electricity, and fuel. There aren't any rebuilding programs. There are daily
stories of millions of dollars' funds thefts, and the administrational
corruption of the government. There is a shortage in employment
opportunities, which created a high unemployment percentage among the
population, and that caused the immigration of the rich and middle class
young people from Iraq. The poor families' sons remained, to choose either
joining the Iraqi Army or Police Force, and thus become a target and a
victim to those who suspect them of being in collaboration with the
occupation, become murdering thieves and drug addicts, or become members in
the death and killing squads, or the dirty sectarian militia that is ripping
Iraq apart, aided by some who train and pay them. The Iraqis know who is
doing all that to them, but the people here do not know..
The people in the various Iraqi cities are hurting because of what is
happening in their country, being ripped apart, while they cannot do
anything to stop it. And they wonder: where is the key to solve the dilemma
of Iraq?
Is it in Washington? Or in the hands of the warring militias?
Both ways, the key is not in the hands of the Iraqi people.
Is there a catastrophe more grave than this??
After three years of the destruction and the ruin that befell our
country, the key to solve the problem is not in our hands?
Who is responsible for this; isn't it the stupid policy followed by
the American administration in Iraq?
They made the planning, and we are being destroyed, paying the price.
This is the way things are, in Iraq today.

People in Iraq usually live in mixed cities, and mixed neighborhoods.
There are some cities in which there is a bigger concentration of a sect
more than another, because of the presence of a religious shrine of that
sect, for example. The Iraqis have a historical and traditional culture
bearing a lot of tolerance and accepting the Other; marriages are mixed,
neighborhoods are mixed, schools and work locations are mixed, whether
official or private companies. Before the war, we used to tell jokes about
each other, and laugh. We say, for example:
A man went to a dentist and said: Doctor, my tooth is decayed, ((the
word ' My tooth' is written and pronounced = Sennie= Sunnie)), and the
doctor says: And is their a Sunnie who isn't decayed? Ha,ha,ha, we used to
laugh.
And in a joke about the Day of Judgment: In a graveyard, a Sunnie and
a Shia'at lay side by side, and on the Judgment Day, the Sunnie arose, but
the Shia'at said: No, not today, the Judgment Day is tomorrow for us.
Ha,ha,ha. Because it is their custom to differ from the Feast days and
Ramadan, and delay beginning them till the next day.
And we used to say: An Arab and a Kurd were sentenced to death, and
the guard came to ask them for a last request, the Kurd said: I want to see
my mother. And the Arab said: I do not want the Kurd to see his mother.
Ha,ha,ha, we used to laugh; the Arab in the joke is mean, and the Kurd
is wronged. And I used to accept that joke, tell it, we used to laugh about
it, and we are Arabs.
We all used to laugh; Sunnies and Shia'ats, Arabs and Kurds, we used
to laugh and accept one another; I am a Shia'at, my husband is a Sunnie. We
raised our children to love all the people, respect all the people, do not
discriminate between people, and hold no grudge against anyone.
Our neighbors were Arabs and Kurds, Muslims and Christians; we love
and respect them, and they love and respect us.this is how we used to live.
But Iraq today lives in a big dilemma, there isn't a place for the
neutral logicals, like us. There are some who support and finance the ugly
sectarian call, spiteful of the Other, to destroy the country.
And there are some who assassinate the voice of the logical neutrals.
All who speak with the sectarianism spirit, or say it was present
before the war, is just a fool who is destroying Iraq, knowingly, or not.
When I met Iraqi women and men here, those who are against the war and
the occupation, all were from various sorts- Muslims and Christians, Sunnies
and Shia'ats, Arabs, Kurds, and Turkman, men and women, they all spoke like
me, all their hearts burned in sadness for Iraq. We asked each other: Didn't
we live together, weren't our parents friends and neighbors, weren't we
childhood and school mates, did we ever ask: are you a Sunnie or a Shia'at?
A Kurd or an Arab?
But now, who tore Iraq apart but this ugly occupation?
The picture gets clearer when we all meet, feel that our hearts are
united, and there is one enemy targeting us, wanting to tear our unity
apart, and divide our country.
The Iraqis aren't fools, these calamities strengthen our unity and
solidarity. People in Baghdad collect donations, from all families, from all
sects and ethnics, building the demolished mosques, so that Al-Athan (= the
Islamic call for prayer) should rise and call in the Iraqi cities: Allahu
Akhbar..GOD IS Great.
This is what they want to deprive the Iraqis from hearing..
Someone out there is targeting our identity and religion, to shred
them.
The Iraqis aren't fools.

The Americans usually ask, at the end of each meeting: What can we do
to help the Iraqis?
And I usually say: Tell your friends and neighbors the truth of what
is happening in Iraq, this isn't a noble mission, do not send your sons to
war, put pressure on your government to pull the armies out of Iraq, and
stop building the bases. Do not interfere with the future of Iraq, leave
Iraq for the Iraqis.
The last time, we had two days of joint activities in various
neighborhoods inside San Francisco, we had many participants, one of them
was Scott Ritter, the Weapons Inspector in Iraq during the embargo. He spoke
to the audience about his rejection of the war since the beginning, that
Iraq had no Weapons of Mass Destruction, that this American administration
is practicing an incorrect policy in Iraq; they waged the war for false
reasons, and until now they are justifying their staying in Iraq with false
justifications.
And when people asked him-What should they do, he got angry, and
answered harshly: Don't be fools, you put this administration as a
government, don't say -someone forged the elections. You should open your
eyes and change your lives. Change your life style from relying on Oil and
its revenues that come from occupying other countries, tell your government
that you can live in austerity on your resources only, there is no need for
wars and steeling the revenues of others.
I sat in amazement, watching this angry, frank debate.
He accused them, and they refused these accusations..
I knew the truth of America here, during this month.
People here are weak, submissive, their will taken from them.
They want the change, but do not know how, or else, they are yielding
people, who lost hope in their ability to cause change. The decision in this
country is in the hands of the wealthy, who own the money, the banks, and
the giant companies, and of course- the Media, that controls the minds of
simple people.
Even the election system is controlled by money; the Candidate needs
millions of dollars for the election campaign, meaning- who would care for a
Candidate of principals, humanity, justice, and peace, who shall take care
of him, or finance his campaign?
But that who is ready to market the ideas of the rich class, the class
that loves wars and investments, will find someone to spend millions on his
campaign, will tell people all the nice promises and glamorous slogans. They
will elect him, and when he gets to the chair, and sits in the position of
decision- making, he will carry out the instructions of the major companies
that financed his campaign, not the poor Americans who elected him.
And so, people would live in one realm, and the decision- maker,
having abandoned them, would live in another.
This is the reality of things in America.
And the Iraq war is the most evident example.
There is a huge popular anger, from before the war, till now, but
people's opinion is marginalized, no one sees that opinion in the newspapers
or the media, not even give a hint about it in a petty way. It gets lost
with the tide of news, with different features about actors and athletes,
then the commercials, the weather broadcast, the financial and ecological
news. And the issue of Iraq gets lost in the jam of stories, commercials,
and empty talk.
I keep asking myself, when I see the American's sorrow and their
inability to change decisions, or influence its makers in the country: Is
this the democracy that Bush and Gondalisa Rice brag about? For which they
destroyed Iraq in order to implement?
The government is strong, rich, and opinionated about decision and
opinion, the people are poor, weak, and no one cares about them, they walk
out in demonstrations, they shout, some of them are arrested and go to jail,
others make documentary films, and talk against the government's policies.
But in result, who cares?
How many of the 350 million Americans will hear him?
And where is the decision?
The decision is in the hands of those who sit in the White House, the
Pentagon, and the Congress.
And they are as far off as can be from the ordinary citizen and his
opinion.
As far off as can be.
I felt sorry for these people.
This country is definitely living in a crisis, and the Iraq war is the
issue that revealed everything as it truly is .

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TOPIC: MURDERING FOR FUN
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/cb5ff12b53335f74
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 1:09 am
From: "serwad"

The Iraqis aren't fools.
Faiza Al-Arji

Published Thursday, April 06, 2006

Friday, March 31st , 2006
Good evening...
I am still in America, for about a month now, very tired of traveling
around, moving from state to state, carrying bags, the uncomfortable sleep
during journeys, and the time-lag between the farther eastern states and the
farther western. My body is very exhausted, but the blood stained, sad news
from Iraq makes me forget my aches, and strengthen my resolve to move from
city to city, to talk about the pain and suffering of the Iraqis, for three
years now.

I can no longer remember all the details, because of the multitude of
cities, faces, activities, and the packed schedule, but I do remember our
meetings with people in churches, universities, houses, and small gatherings
in various non-governmental organizations. And I found the people
sympathetic and understanding towards the suffering of the Iraqi families;
of the bad security conditions, and the crippled daily life, for it is at
risk and with difficulty that people go about their business, send their
children to schools, go shopping, or go to a doctor. As for family visiting
or going out to a restaurant, well, those became memories of the past; for
who would take the risk of going out to visit a friend, or have a meal in a
restaurant?
The families suffer from the daily shortages of services; water,
electricity, and fuel. There aren't any rebuilding programs. There are daily
stories of millions of dollars' funds thefts, and the administrational
corruption of the government. There is a shortage in employment
opportunities, which created a high unemployment percentage among the
population, and that caused the immigration of the rich and middle class
young people from Iraq. The poor families' sons remained, to choose either
joining the Iraqi Army or Police Force, and thus become a target and a
victim to those who suspect them of being in collaboration with the
occupation, become murdering thieves and drug addicts, or become members in
the death and killing squads, or the dirty sectarian militia that is ripping
Iraq apart, aided by some who train and pay them. The Iraqis know who is
doing all that to them, but the people here do not know..
The people in the various Iraqi cities are hurting because of what is
happening in their country, being ripped apart, while they cannot do
anything to stop it. And they wonder: where is the key to solve the dilemma
of Iraq?
Is it in Washington? Or in the hands of the warring militias?
Both ways, the key is not in the hands of the Iraqi people.
Is there a catastrophe more grave than this??
After three years of the destruction and the ruin that befell our
country, the key to solve the problem is not in our hands?
Who is responsible for this; isn't it the stupid policy followed by
the American administration in Iraq?
They made the planning, and we are being destroyed, paying the price.
This is the way things are, in Iraq today.

People in Iraq usually live in mixed cities, and mixed neighborhoods.
There are some cities in which there is a bigger concentration of a sect
more than another, because of the presence of a religious shrine of that
sect, for example. The Iraqis have a historical and traditional culture
bearing a lot of tolerance and accepting the Other; marriages are mixed,
neighborhoods are mixed, schools and work locations are mixed, whether
official or private companies. Before the war, we used to tell jokes about
each other, and laugh. We say, for example:
A man went to a dentist and said: Doctor, my tooth is decayed, ((the
word ' My tooth' is written and pronounced = Sennie= Sunnie)), and the
doctor says: And is their a Sunnie who isn't decayed? Ha,ha,ha, we used to
laugh.
And in a joke about the Day of Judgment: In a graveyard, a Sunnie and
a Shia'at lay side by side, and on the Judgment Day, the Sunnie arose, but
the Shia'at said: No, not today, the Judgment Day is tomorrow for us.
Ha,ha,ha. Because it is their custom to differ from the Feast days and
Ramadan, and delay beginning them till the next day.
And we used to say: An Arab and a Kurd were sentenced to death, and
the guard came to ask them for a last request, the Kurd said: I want to see
my mother. And the Arab said: I do not want the Kurd to see his mother.
Ha,ha,ha, we used to laugh; the Arab in the joke is mean, and the Kurd
is wronged. And I used to accept that joke, tell it, we used to laugh about
it, and we are Arabs.
We all used to laugh; Sunnies and Shia'ats, Arabs and Kurds, we used
to laugh and accept one another; I am a Shia'at, my husband is a Sunnie. We
raised our children to love all the people, respect all the people, do not
discriminate between people, and hold no grudge against anyone.
Our neighbors were Arabs and Kurds, Muslims and Christians; we love
and respect them, and they love and respect us.this is how we used to live.
But Iraq today lives in a big dilemma, there isn't a place for the
neutral logicals, like us. There are some who support and finance the ugly
sectarian call, spiteful of the Other, to destroy the country.
And there are some who assassinate the voice of the logical neutrals.
All who speak with the sectarianism spirit, or say it was present
before the war, is just a fool who is destroying Iraq, knowingly, or not.
When I met Iraqi women and men here, those who are against the war and
the occupation, all were from various sorts- Muslims and Christians, Sunnies
and Shia'ats, Arabs, Kurds, and Turkman, men and women, they all spoke like
me, all their hearts burned in sadness for Iraq. We asked each other: Didn't
we live together, weren't our parents friends and neighbors, weren't we
childhood and school mates, did we ever ask: are you a Sunnie or a Shia'at?
A Kurd or an Arab?
But now, who tore Iraq apart but this ugly occupation?
The picture gets clearer when we all meet, feel that our hearts are
united, and there is one enemy targeting us, wanting to tear our unity
apart, and divide our country.
The Iraqis aren't fools, these calamities strengthen our unity and
solidarity. People in Baghdad collect donations, from all families, from all
sects and ethnics, building the demolished mosques, so that Al-Athan (= the
Islamic call for prayer) should rise and call in the Iraqi cities: Allahu
Akhbar..GOD IS Great.
This is what they want to deprive the Iraqis from hearing..
Someone out there is targeting our identity and religion, to shred
them.
The Iraqis aren't fools.

The Americans usually ask, at the end of each meeting: What can we do
to help the Iraqis?
And I usually say: Tell your friends and neighbors the truth of what
is happening in Iraq, this isn't a noble mission, do not send your sons to
war, put pressure on your government to pull the armies out of Iraq, and
stop building the bases. Do not interfere with the future of Iraq, leave
Iraq for the Iraqis.
The last time, we had two days of joint activities in various
neighborhoods inside San Francisco, we had many participants, one of them
was Scott Ritter, the Weapons Inspector in Iraq during the embargo. He spoke
to the audience about his rejection of the war since the beginning, that
Iraq had no Weapons of Mass Destruction, that this American administration
is practicing an incorrect policy in Iraq; they waged the war for false
reasons, and until now they are justifying their staying in Iraq with false
justifications.
And when people asked him-What should they do, he got angry, and
answered harshly: Don't be fools, you put this administration as a
government, don't say -someone forged the elections. You should open your
eyes and change your lives. Change your life style from relying on Oil and
its revenues that come from occupying other countries, tell your government
that you can live in austerity on your resources only, there is no need for
wars and steeling the revenues of others.
I sat in amazement, watching this angry, frank debate.
He accused them, and they refused these accusations..
I knew the truth of America here, during this month.
People here are weak, submissive, their will taken from them.
They want the change, but do not know how, or else, they are yielding
people, who lost hope in their ability to cause change. The decision in this
country is in the hands of the wealthy, who own the money, the banks, and
the giant companies, and of course- the Media, that controls the minds of
simple people.
Even the election system is controlled by money; the Candidate needs
millions of dollars for the election campaign, meaning- who would care for a
Candidate of principals, humanity, justice, and peace, who shall take care
of him, or finance his campaign?
But that who is ready to market the ideas of the rich class, the class
that loves wars and investments, will find someone to spend millions on his
campaign, will tell people all the nice promises and glamorous slogans. They
will elect him, and when he gets to the chair, and sits in the position of
decision- making, he will carry out the instructions of the major companies
that financed his campaign, not the poor Americans who elected him.
And so, people would live in one realm, and the decision- maker,
having abandoned them, would live in another.
This is the reality of things in America.
And the Iraq war is the most evident example.
There is a huge popular anger, from before the war, till now, but
people's opinion is marginalized, no one sees that opinion in the newspapers
or the media, not even give a hint about it in a petty way. It gets lost
with the tide of news, with different features about actors and athletes,
then the commercials, the weather broadcast, the financial and ecological
news. And the issue of Iraq gets lost in the jam of stories, commercials,
and empty talk.
I keep asking myself, when I see the American's sorrow and their
inability to change decisions, or influence its makers in the country: Is
this the democracy that Bush and Gondalisa Rice brag about? For which they
destroyed Iraq in order to implement?
The government is strong, rich, and opinionated about decision and
opinion, the people are poor, weak, and no one cares about them, they walk
out in demonstrations, they shout, some of them are arrested and go to jail,
others make documentary films, and talk against the government's policies.
But in result, who cares?
How many of the 350 million Americans will hear him?
And where is the decision?
The decision is in the hands of those who sit in the White House, the
Pentagon, and the Congress.
And they are as far off as can be from the ordinary citizen and his
opinion.
As far off as can be.
I felt sorry for these people.
This country is definitely living in a crisis, and the Iraq war is the
issue that revealed everything as it truly is .

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TOPIC: WAR ON ERROR!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d04fc17d7e6f23c3
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 1:12 am
From: "serwad"

Justifying the need for the 'war on terror'
Rabble News

When freedom of speech becomes the centre of the debate, other very
important questions fail to be asked: Who speaks? Who has the power and
resources not just to speak, but also to be heard, listened to, and even
followed? Who is silenced and by whom?

April 5, 2006

The following document was written as a response to the publication in
early March of Manifesto: Together Facing the New Totalitarianism authored
by Salman Rushdie, Irshad Manji and ten others. Even though the "cartoon
controversy" is not in the news or the editorials any more, we find it
important to circulate this response to the "manifesto."

We believe that the main assumptions behind the "manifesto" as well as
the dominant Western media interpretations of the controversy are based on a
"clash of civilizations" framework which has been seeping more and more
deeply into the way Western citizens are encouraged to interpret
international relations, foreign policy and the actions and speech of
Muslims.

This framework is serving to create and stir distrust and hatred of
Muslims in Western countries and is helping to convince the people of those
countries of the justifiability of continuing the wars in Iraq and
Afghanistan and possibly of starting new wars.

In addition to legitimating racism and warmongering, the assumptions
of the "manifesto" also contribute to an aura of self-congratulation and
self-delusion in Western states which allow them to present themselves as
beacons of democracy, human rights and freedom of speech, precisely in a
period when important decisions are made in non-democratic ways; civil
rights are being limited and violated; and increased censorship and limits
to information are carried out both by the state and by corporate media.

Ironically, when the ideological war to legitimize the invasion of
Iraq has clearly been lost, we find that Islamophobia is being kept alive
and thriving in attempts to convince the public of the need to continue a
so-called "war on terror."

Several specific developments in Canada in recent weeks convince us
that there is an urgent need to examine the dominant set of assumptions
surrounding Canada's foreign policy and relations with those with Muslim
backgrounds: Attacks on Muslim students at the University of Toronto -
including specific attacks on female students on International Women's Day;
the re-defined and intensified role of Canada in Afghanistan,
enthusiastically justified and sold to the Canadian public by daily media
reports as being about building Afghan democracy; and Canada's sudden
withdrawal of aid to Palestine following the election of Hamas, celebrated
by editorials in the mainstream media as the appropriate kind of action
against a "terrorist government."

Let us shift the frame of this debate

After a lot had already been written on the cartoon controversy, a
piece was published in The Star (Toronto) on March 2 by an international
group of mostly Muslim intellectuals. Declaring Islamism as the new
totalitarian threat facing the world, the authors declare that we are now
facing a global struggle between "democrats" and "theocrats."

The primary focus of these intellectuals and much of the Western media
has been to present the notion of free speech as an abstraction -
disregarding the inequalities and the double-standard in its application. We
are concerned that this "manifesto" as well as much writing on the cartoon
controversy has been one-sided and misleading in serious ways.

We are also writing to intervene as we think there may be a need to
shift the frame of this debate altogether. The presentation of the
controversy as one between religious extremists versus free speech advocates
serves to pigeonhole the protestors into one simple category - "theocrats"
according to the manifesto - denying a voice to the diversity and complexity
of concerns expressed.

Such simplification distorts reality, helping neither with an accurate
understanding of the problem, nor with easing any tensions around it. This
way of framing the issue rather contributes to the already prevalent
stereotyping and marginalization of Muslims and can be used to justify
aggression against them nationally and internationally.

We think that the cartoon controversy is not just about freedom of
speech - certainly not in the abstract and legalistic ways that freedom of
speech is generally conceptualized. It is rather about other issues that the
Western governments and most of the Western media would choose not to
address.

While both Muslim fundamentalists and right-wing Western commentators
have preferred to frame the issue as an issue of "Muslim rage" we find it
more accurate as well as more productive, to frame it as an issue of "human
outrage." For the great majority of people who have expressed frustration,
concern and anger over the cartoons, the context that surrounds the
controversy and the real issues are the increasingly anti-immigrant and
racist environment in many Western countries and imperialism, militarism and
Western double standards in international politics.

Framing the cartoon controversy as one solely about freedom of speech
poses three significant problems. First, it mystifies and distorts the
issues that are easily understandable in other terms by presenting them as
examples of a "culture clash." It leads to a simplistic and misconceived
juxtaposition of "Western values" versus "Muslim values." Reducing the
nature of the critical response to the cartoons to "Muslim values" and
defining these as opposed to and incompatible with "Western values" makes
them appear as irrational and incomprehensible - if not outright barbaric.

As such framing places Muslim reaction to the cartoons beyond
comprehension by what is assumed to be a modern, secular "Western" mindset,
it also conveniently absolves Western states and Western societies of any
responsibility in the developments. It completely externalizes the problem
to what gets interpreted as completely "foreign" values and sensibilities.

Ghassan Hage, an Australian sociologist, has expressed in a different
context that the fear that racists and war-mongerers experience is not a
fear of the "foreigner" - as the term xenophobia implies - but rather the
fear that the "foreigner" would be recognized and acknowledged as human
beings. While a "culture clash" perspective can easily lead to the denial of
the humanity of Muslims, identifying and understanding the issue as based in
the realities of national and international politics may help us realize
that there is nothing foreign, incomprehensible or even specifically
"Muslim" about the anger and outrage over the symbolism of the cartoons.

When we recognize the intense reaction to the cartoons as representing
reactions to experiences of imperialist intervention, military aggression,
racism and humiliation, it becomes difficult to even imagine how individuals
or collectivities with "Western" values would react differently to similar
conditions and similar treatment.

The second problem is that even as the issue is framed as one about
freedom of speech, it does not address these freedoms in substantive terms
as they are experienced by most people. Most contributors to this debate
have posed the issue simply in terms of whether or not there should be any
limits to freedom of speech.

When this question becomes the centre of debate, when freedom of
speech is conceptualized in purely abstract and legalistic ways, other, very
important questions fail to be asked - questions such as: Who speaks? Who
has the power and resources not just to speak, but also to be heard,
listened to, and even followed? Who is silenced and by whom?

Seeing extremists as the only threats to freedom of speech creates the
illusion that we otherwise enjoy full and equal freedoms. Living in
societies where there is heavy concentration of ownership of most forms of
media, we need to acknowledge that even when freedom of speech is legally
available, access to the means of dissemination of ideas is largely unequal.
Treating the illusion of free speech as an already existing reality does not
help improve the cause of freedom of speech. It rather makes it appear as
hypocrisy.

If we want to discuss freedom of expression, we also need to ask the
meaning of this freedom in different contexts. There is a world of
difference, for example, between using this freedom to "speak truth to
power" to powerful economic and political forces and to "speak power to
truth" - as Rick Salutin has put it. When freedom of speech is used by
American government and neo-conservative pundits in the media to "speak
power to truth," lying their way to declaring war against Iraq; when the
dominant majority in a society abuses its power to create and spread racist
images and myths, as we have seen in the long and dirty history of
anti-Semitism, or in the present anti-Muslim sentiments, we cannot celebrate
these "freedoms" as principled and brave acts of expression.

In the Canadian context, we do not believe that most of the silencing
is done by Muslim extremists. Those of us who have concerns over the
cartoons come from a diversity of political, ethnic and religious
backgrounds. In expressing these concerns and being heard and understood
about the nature of our concerns, we feel silenced not by intimidation by
extremists, but rather by those who pose the issue as based on differences
between "Muslim values" versus "Western values" or "democrats" versus
"theocrats."

A third and final problem with the framing of the cartoon controversy
is that the narrowly framed discussion on freedom of speech does not address
these most important and ubiquitous forms of silencing that Muslims in the
Canadian diaspora experience daily and over time.

Muslims in diaspora, as well as many anti-racist and anti-imperialist
non-Muslims feel concerned, but largely silenced and powerless on a number
of issues: the wars on Iraq, Afghanistan and the ongoing occupation of
Palestine; Canada's direct and indirect participation in or passive
acceptance of these; and an escalating anti-Muslim and anti-Arab environment
which prevails everywhere from daily discourses in the media to the
interpretation and enforcement of anti-terrorist legislation, the use of
security certificates and other limitations on civil liberties.

Some participating in the debate on freedom of expression have pleaded
for respect for and sensitivity to religious beliefs. We believe, however,
that unless the real issues and concerns, and the main forms of silencing
that takes place through foreign policy and national practices of racism are
addressed, gestures of "respect" and "sensitivity" to religious beliefs
would be considered tokenistic and superficial at best.

Let us change the frame of this debate. Instead of using categories
that help racialize and demonize a people, let us develop an understanding
that would help bring about justice and peace.

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Signed:

a.. Tariq Amin-Khan, Assistant Professor, Department of Politics and
Public Administration, Ryerson University

b.. Sedef Arat-Koc, Associate Professor, Department of Politics and
Public Administration, Ryerson University

c.. Feyzi Baban, Assistant Professor, Department of Political
Studies, Trent University

d.. Abigail Bakan, Professor, Department of Political Science,
Queen's University

e.. Malcolm Blincow, Associate Professor, Department of
Anthropology, York University

f.. Mike Burke, Associate Professor, Department of Politics and
Public Administration, Ryerson University

g.. Janet Conway, Associate Professor, Department of Politics and
Public Administration, Ryerson University

h.. Enakshi Dua, Associate Professor, Women's Studies, York
University

i.. Grace-Edward Galabuzi, Assistant Professor, Department of
Politics and Public Administration, Ryerson University

j.. Ratiba Hadj-Moussa, Associate Professor, Department of
Sociology, York University

k.. Amina Jamal, Post-Doctoral Fellow, Department of Sociology,
Concordia University

l.. Mustafa Koc, Associate Professor, Department of Sociology,
Ryerson University

m.. Colin Mooers, Professor, Department of Politics and Public
Administration, Ryerson University

n.. Sherene Razack, Professor, Sociology and Equity Studies, Ontario
Institute of Studies in Education, University of Toronto

o.. Judy Rebick, Sam Gindin chair of Social Justice, Ryerson
University

p.. Kim Rygiel, Doctoral Student, Department of Political Science,
York University

q.. Mitu Sengupta, Assistant Professor, Department of Politics and
Public Administration, Ryerson University

r.. Uzma Shakir, Executive Director, South Asian Legal Clinic of
Ontario

s.. Aparna Sundar, Assistant Professor, Department of Politics and
Public Administration, Ryerson University

t.. Sunera Thobani, Assistant Professor, Women's Studies, University
of British Columbia

u.. Cynthia Wright, Sessional professor, York University

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TOPIC: Whooooooooooooooooooooo-hoooooooooooooooooooooo !!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/bbf453dcdcfdb5ce
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 10:35 pm
From: "Freight Train Jones"

X-No-Archive: Yes

satan oscillate my metallic sonatas™ ♥ wrote:
> Kentucky Fried Gerbilfrickers, anyone ?!?!?
> The newspaper said that Ukraine had failed to return 250 warheads to
> Russia in the 1990s when the former Soviet republic declared itself a
> nuclear-free zone. The paper suggested the warheads could have been
> sold to a third country, including Iran.

that bunch always runs hot and cold

better to be hot and cold than lukewarm

but missing warheads?

shoot! this is small compared to other confirmed reports of missing
nuclear materials

money money money money monaaay!!!

power power power power poooweeerrr!!!

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TOPIC: Illegal Hispanic Immigration & rally in LA
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/965a78900803abba
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 5:35 am
From: flaviaR@verizon.net

On 5-Apr-2006, "drydem" <walter_lee@my-deja.com> wrote:

> flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
>
> > > My impression is that Susan was referring to a beauty contest
> > > or atleast some sort of job (like an fashion model) where looks do
> > > matter
> >
> > No, I was just discussing life in general.
>
> Oh, yes I suppose that's true.
> Some people in their 40s are going to be
> more attractive than other people in their 20s.

Yes, this is exactly what I meant.
>
> But I would think that the same person
> (given a uniform lifestyle and environment)
> is (in general) better looking (or healthier) in their 20s than in
> their 40s.
> because of the effects of aging.

True - but then we're not dicussing different people, just the
same person at different times.
>
> Which makes me wonder what
> those young and pretty gals like
> Jessica Alba and Paris Hilton are going to look
> like in 20 years (if I should live so long to see it)?

Considering that I think Hilton is fairly unattractive *now*, I'm
*really* not looking foward to seeing her even in 10 years.
>
> Even when you're travelling at warp speed
> -- gravity has a way pulling you down ....
> Which makes me think of something I heard before...
>
> "I'm not flying, I'm falling with style." - Bud Lightspeed. :-P
>
> >
> > > but it seems to me that ZuoTung is thinking about something
> > > much different and substantially more degrading. (9_9)
> >
> > Define "substantially". :-)
> >
> > Susan
>
> Oh let's not go there shall we? (9_9)
> I want to keep my posting at a PG-13 rating. :-)

I can do explain what I was thinking & still keep it (G.
With prostitutes, where prositution is legal, at least you have an *honest*
lifestyle. Beauty contests, OTOH, pretend (and that's the most polite
word for it) that they *aren't* sexually expoitative. Part of the pretense
is the by now insane requirement that a girl entrant not have a boyfriend.

Susan, playing Devil's Advocate

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 5:36 am
From: flaviaR@verizon.net

On 5-Apr-2006, Zuo Tung <ztjt@newdeal.org> wrote:

> I can read. However, I doubt that you can. I know I'm not going to
> understand women. I'll never understand how you can take boiling hot
> wax, pour it onto your upper thigh, rip the hair out by the roots, and
> still be afraid of a spider.

If you can read, why do none of your posts

a) make any sense
b) have any bearing on what is actually being discussed
c) expose you for a childish buffoon?

well, I suppose the 3rd would happen even if you could read for content....

Susan
>
>
> flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> > On 4-Apr-2006, Zuo Tung <ztjt@newdeal.org> wrote:
> >
> >> True, but spreading your legs to anyone whose willing to pay for it has
> >> it's own definition.
> >
> > So you can't read, either, is that it?
> >
> > Susan
> >> flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> >>> On 3-Apr-2006, Zuo Tung <ztjt@newdeal.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Only if the 30 year old is a whore or a freak...
> >>> A bit of advice: advertising low standards doesn't show that you
> >>> are open-minded; it only shows that you are desperate.
> >>>
> >>> Susan
> >>>> drydem wrote:
> >>>>> flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> >>>>>> On 1-Apr-2006, "drydem" <walter_lee@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I like you already (errr, actually, not that much). You're a very
> >>>>>>>> open
> >>>>>>>> guy. Bestiality - i.e. pansexualism - is not that hip yet. I
> >>>>>>>> mentioned
> >>>>>>>> this in another thread earlier.
> >>>>>>> LOL.
> >>>>>>> "Esthetically" not "Sexually"
> >>>>>>> In your effort to be clever, your comprehension skill takes a nose
> >>>>>>> dive.
> >>>>>>> My point is that not all
> >>>>>>> not all attraction is sexual in nature.
> >>>>>> And not all 20 year old girls can beat out 30 year old women.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Susan
> >>>>> That is true also.
> >>>>>

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 10:47 pm
From: Miriam Cohen

http://www.markfiore.com/animation/phobia.html

Zuo Tung wrote:
> respect is earned, not given freely to those who do not deserve it
> because of their behavior.
>
> drydem wrote:
>
>> respect.
>>
>> Zuo Tung wrote:
>>
>>> What is the difference?
>>>
>>> drydem wrote:
>>>
>>>> Zuo Tung wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Only if the 30 year old is a whore or a freak...
>>>>
>>>> My impression is that Susan was referring to a beauty contest
>>>> or atleast some sort of job (like an fashion model) where looks do
>>>> matter
>>>> but it seems to me that ZuoTung is thinking about something
>>>> much different and substantially more degrading. (9_9)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> drydem wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1-Apr-2006, "drydem" <walter_lee@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I like you already (errr, actually, not that much). You're a
>>>>>>>>> very open
>>>>>>>>> guy. Bestiality - i.e. pansexualism - is not that hip yet. I
>>>>>>>>> mentioned
>>>>>>>>> this in another thread earlier.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LOL.
>>>>>>>> "Esthetically" not "Sexually"
>>>>>>>> In your effort to be clever, your comprehension skill takes a nose
>>>>>>>> dive.
>>>>>>>> My point is that not all
>>>>>>>> not all attraction is sexual in nature.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And not all 20 year old girls can beat out 30 year old women.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Susan
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is true also.
>>>>>>
>>

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 10:48 pm
From: Miriam Cohen

http://www.markfiore.com/animation/phobia.html

flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> On 5-Apr-2006, "drydem" <walter_lee@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>
>>flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>My impression is that Susan was referring to a beauty contest
>>>>or atleast some sort of job (like an fashion model) where looks do
>>>>matter
>>>
>>>No, I was just discussing life in general.
>>
>>Oh, yes I suppose that's true.
>> Some people in their 40s are going to be
>> more attractive than other people in their 20s.
>
>
> Yes, this is exactly what I meant.
>
>>But I would think that the same person
>> (given a uniform lifestyle and environment)
>>is (in general) better looking (or healthier) in their 20s than in
>>their 40s.
>> because of the effects of aging.
>
>
> True - but then we're not dicussing different people, just the
> same person at different times.
>
>>Which makes me wonder what
>> those young and pretty gals like
>> Jessica Alba and Paris Hilton are going to look
>> like in 20 years (if I should live so long to see it)?
>
>
> Considering that I think Hilton is fairly unattractive *now*, I'm
> *really* not looking foward to seeing her even in 10 years.
>
>>Even when you're travelling at warp speed
>> -- gravity has a way pulling you down ....
>>Which makes me think of something I heard before...
>>
>> "I'm not flying, I'm falling with style." - Bud Lightspeed. :-P
>>
>>
>>>>but it seems to me that ZuoTung is thinking about something
>>>> much different and substantially more degrading. (9_9)
>>>
>>>Define "substantially". :-)
>>>
>>>Susan
>>
>>Oh let's not go there shall we? (9_9)
>>I want to keep my posting at a PG-13 rating. :-)
>
>
> I can do explain what I was thinking & still keep it (G.
> With prostitutes, where prositution is legal, at least you have an *honest*
> lifestyle. Beauty contests, OTOH, pretend (and that's the most polite
> word for it) that they *aren't* sexually expoitative. Part of the pretense
> is the by now insane requirement that a girl entrant not have a boyfriend.
>
> Susan, playing Devil's Advocate

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 10:48 pm
From: Miriam Cohen

http://www.markfiore.com/animation/phobia.html

flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
> On 5-Apr-2006, Zuo Tung <ztjt@newdeal.org> wrote:
>
>
>>I can read. However, I doubt that you can. I know I'm not going to
>>understand women. I'll never understand how you can take boiling hot
>>wax, pour it onto your upper thigh, rip the hair out by the roots, and
>>still be afraid of a spider.
>
>
> If you can read, why do none of your posts
>
> a) make any sense
> b) have any bearing on what is actually being discussed
> c) expose you for a childish buffoon?
>
> well, I suppose the 3rd would happen even if you could read for content....
>
> Susan
>
>>
>>flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
>>
>>>On 4-Apr-2006, Zuo Tung <ztjt@newdeal.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>True, but spreading your legs to anyone whose willing to pay for it has
>>>>it's own definition.
>>>
>>>So you can't read, either, is that it?
>>>
>>>Susan
>>>
>>>>flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 3-Apr-2006, Zuo Tung <ztjt@newdeal.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Only if the 30 year old is a whore or a freak...
>>>>>
>>>>>A bit of advice: advertising low standards doesn't show that you
>>>>>are open-minded; it only shows that you are desperate.
>>>>>
>>>>>Susan
>>>>>
>>>>>>drydem wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>flaviaR@verizon.net wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 1-Apr-2006, "drydem" <walter_lee@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I like you already (errr, actually, not that much). You're a very
>>>>>>>>>>open
>>>>>>>>>>guy. Bestiality - i.e. pansexualism - is not that hip yet. I
>>>>>>>>>>mentioned
>>>>>>>>>>this in another thread earlier.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>LOL.
>>>>>>>>>"Esthetically" not "Sexually"
>>>>>>>>>In your effort to be clever, your comprehension skill takes a nose
>>>>>>>>>dive.
>>>>>>>>>My point is that not all
>>>>>>>>> not all attraction is sexual in nature.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And not all 20 year old girls can beat out 30 year old women.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Susan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That is true also.
>>>>>>>

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TOPIC: Yes-I Jew Jews,CRA,IRS-GanivGoy McVAY!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/45fce5d5bc543c30
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 5:37 am
From: flaviaR@verizon.net

On 6-Apr-2006, Harry Mazal <hmazal@txdirect.net> wrote:

> Time for someone like the "Stern Gang" to take care
> of the ganiv Scum Fatbury!!!

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TOPIC: Kerry: Two deadlines and an exit
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/71fe988e4d3d854b
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 5:38 am
From: "What Me Worry?" <__@____.___>

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> Kerry: Two deadlines and an exit
>
> Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit
>
> The International Herald Tribune - Apr 6, 2006
> http://www.iht.com/bin/print_ipub.php?file=/articles/2006/04/05/opinion/edkerry.php
>
> Op Ed:
>
> Two deadlines and an exit
>
> by John F. Kerry
> The New York Times
>
> WASHINGTON--We are now in the third war in Iraq in as many years. The
> first
> was against Saddam Hussein and his supposed weapons of mass destruction.
> The
> second was against terrorists whom, the administration said, it was better
> to fight over there than here. Now we find our troops in the middle of an
> escalating civil war.
>
> Half of the service members listed on the Vietnam Memorial Wall died after
> America's leaders knew our strategy would not work. It was immoral then
> and
> it would be immoral now to engage in the same delusion. We want democracy
> in
> Iraq, but Iraqis must want it as much as we do. Our valiant soldiers can't
> bring democracy to Iraq if Iraq's leaders are unwilling themselves to make
> the compromises that democracy requires.
>
> As our generals have said, the war cannot be won militarily. It must be
> won
> politically. No American soldier should be sacrificed because Iraqi
> politicians refuse to resolve their ethnic and political differences.
>
> So far, Iraqi leaders have responded only to deadlines - a deadline to
> transfer authority to a provisional government, and a deadline to hold
> three
> elections. Now we must set another deadline to extricate our troops and
> get
> Iraq up on its own two feet.
>
> Iraqi politicians should be told that they have until May 15 to put
> together
> an effective unity government or we will immediately withdraw our
> military.
> If Iraqis aren't willing to build a unity government in the five months
> since the election, they're probably not willing to build one at all. The
> civil war will only get worse, and we will have no choice anyway but to
> leave.
>
> If Iraq's leaders succeed in putting together a government, then we must
> agree on another deadline: a schedule for withdrawing American combat
> forces
> by year's end. Doing so will empower the new Iraqi leadership, put Iraqis
> in
> the position of running their own country and undermine support for the
> insurgency, which is fueled in large measure by the majority of Iraqis who
> want us to leave their country. Only troops essential to finishing the job
> of training Iraqi forces should remain.
>
> For this transition to work, we must finally begin to engage in genuine
> diplomacy. We must immediately bring the leaders of the Iraqi factions
> together at a Dayton accords-like summit meeting. In a neutral setting,
> Iraqis, working with our allies, the Arab League and the United Nations,
> would be compelled to reach a political agreement that includes security
> guarantees, the dismantling of the militias and shared goals for
> reconstruction.
>
> To increase the pressure on Iraq's leaders, we must redeploy American
> forces
> to garrisoned status. Troops should be used for security backup, training
> and emergency response; we should leave routine patrols to Iraqi forces.
> Special operations against Al Qaeda and other foreign terrorists in Iraq
> should be initiated only on hard intelligence leads.
>
> We will defeat Al Qaeda faster when we stop serving as its best
> recruitment
> tool. Iraqis ultimately will not tolerate foreign jihadists on their soil,
> and the United States will be able to maintain an over- the-horizon troop
> presence with rapid response capacity. An exit from Iraq will also
> strengthen our hand in dealing with the Iranian nuclear threat and allow
> us
> to repair the damage of repeated deployments, which flag officers believe
> has strained military readiness and morale.
>
> For three years now, the administration has told us that terrible things
> will happen if we get tough with the Iraqis. In fact, terrible things are
> happening now because we haven't gotten tough enough. With two deadlines,
> we
> can change all that. We can put the American leadership on the side of our
> soldiers and push the Iraqi leadership to do what only it can do: Build a
> democracy.
>
> John F. Kerry, a senator from Massachusetts, was the Democratic nominee
> for
> president in 2004.

This intelligent, sensible leader should be POTUS right now.

Diebold/ES&S/Sequoia + Corrupt Republican Machine = Public Enemy #1

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TOPIC: The New White Roses
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/417e81cb1c7fba0d
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 5:40 am
From: flaviaR@verizon.net

Thanks.
This one's a keeper.

Susan

On 6-Apr-2006, "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote:

> While Palestinian terrorism rages on, a new Arab "White Rose" - much like
> the World War II German student Nazi resistance of that name - has been
> sprouting. Not many Israelis have acknowledged its existence. But it is
> high
> time we did our bit to help this brave flower blossom.
>
> In my eighteen years living in Israel, two encounters with Arabs left me
> with indelible impressions.
>
> The first was a decade ago when my developmentally delayed daughter, a
> year
> old, was hospitalized. She had pneumonia and uncontrollable seizures and I
> was simply overwhelmed. Nurses would pop in to administer drugs and then
> vanish into thin air. The remainder of the care was up to us parents.
>
> Souaid, a university-educated Israeli Arab whose mildly epileptic baby
> shared the room, took me under her wing. Behind the scenes, she urged the
> nurses to help me out. She was direct and commanded their respect. And
> they
> obliged her. Souaid was a kind friend to me throughout her baby's
> hospitalization.
>
> On Friday evening, she and her baby disappeared from our room after
> candle-lighting. I searched the ward to no avail. Several hours later,
> they
> reappeared. Souaid explained that they'd gone to an empty room in
> deference
> to the Shabbat atmosphere and the religious fathers who were visiting with
> their children. By the time her baby was released, Souaid had shared many
> long, intimate chats with me as well as with Chavi, an ultra-orthodox
> woman
> in our room. After they had bid one another farewell, Souaid took me aside
> and said: "I can't believe it; Chavi told me I am a righteous gentile."
> "Chavi was right," I told her.
>
> Six years later, two other Arabs impacted on my life. On a hot August
> afternoon in 2001, Izzadin Al Masri brutally murdered my fifteen year old
> daughter, Malki, along with fourteen other innocent Jews. Eight children
> and
> one entire family were among the dead.
>
> Ahlam Tamimi, a Palestinian journalist, disguised herself as a secular
> Jewish tourist and escorted Al Masri through central Jerusalem while
> chatting in fluent English to dispel the suspicions of a police force on
> high alert.
>
> From an Israeli prison cell where she is now serving 16 life terms, Tamimi
> spoke a day before last week's Israeli elections. "I am not sorry for what
> I
> did," she declared. "I will get out of prison and I refuse to recognize
> Israel's existence," she added. "Discussions will only take place after
> Israel recognizes that this is Islamic land," she predicted.
>
> Several years ago Tamimi spoke with Barbara Victor, author of "Shahidas:
> The
> Female Kamikazie of Palestine" In her book, Victor writes that Tamimi who
> "didn't regret the deaths of all these children added 'They should have
> returned to Poland, Russia or the United States, to the countries their
> parents came from.'"
>
> In ending Malki's beautiful life, Al Masri and Tamimi condemned me to
> never-ending pain and longing. So I think I would be forgiven for keeping
> my
> distance from Arabs as long as I live.
>
> But the fact is I would never consider doing that. Today I hear many
> compelling Arab voices rising above the fundamentalist Islamic din. More
> and
> more courageous Arabs, both Muslim and Christian, are outspoken defenders
> of
> the United States, Israel and the Jews. After a steady diet of Muslim
> bloodshed, their messages have been pure ambrosia.
>
> The latest one of these "Souaids" - righteous gentiles all - to step into
> the spotlight is psychiatrist, Dr. Wafa Sultan. Her February debut on Al
> Jazeera has attracted over one million listeners on the internet. Sultan
> doesn't mince words. Pitted for the Al Jazeera interview against an
> Algerian
> cleric and an Egyptian professor of religious studies, she opened on the
> offensive: "The clash we are witnessing around the world is not a clash of
> religions, or a clash of civilizations. .. It is a clash between
> civilization and back­wardness. between barbarity and rationality, between
> freedom and oppression. Civilizations do not clash, but compete."
>
> Dr. Sultan was born and raised in a traditional Muslim home in Syria. From
> grade-school on she was indoctrinated, by her own account, to hate Jews
> and
> Israel. After witnessing the brutal murder of her respected medical school
> professor by two Muslim Brotherhood terrorists, she abandoned her
> religious
> beliefs. Soon afterwards, she immigrated to the United States with her
> husband and children. There, studying in a California hospital, she met
> Jews
> for the first time. Before long she embarked on her fight against the
> anti-Semitism endemic in Muslim society.
>
> Sultan incensed her Al Jazeera opponents with a striking observation: "The
> Jews have come from the tragedy and forced the world to respect them, with
> their knowledge, not with their terror; with their work, not with their
> crying and yelling."
>
> Dr. Sultan joins the ranks of other Arab heroines like Noni Darwish, a
> Palestinian who moved to the United States after completing her university
> studies.
>
> Ms Darwish relates memories of her pre-school education: "A Jewish person
> was portrayed like less than human, a dog, an evil alien from outer
> space.cursed by G-d and the main mission of Islam was to get rid of Jews."
>
> Her father, a prominent military officer mobilized Palestinian forces into
> Israeli territory and was killed by the Israelis in retaliation.
> Nevertheless Darwish says, "I blame the Middle Eastern Islamic culture and
> the propaganda of hatred taught to children from birth." for his death.
>
> Brigitte Gabriel, a Christian Lebanese, was ten years old when her home
> was
> bombed by Muslims. By the age of twenty, she says, most of her friends had
> died at the hands of Islamic terrorists. Her first personal encounter with
> Jews and their compassion was when she rushed her seriously injured mother
> over the border into Israel for life-saving medical treatment.
>
> She says she was "amazed when I saw Americans waking up on September 12,
> 2001, and asking themselves "Why do they hate us?".they hate us because we
> are defined in their eyes by one simple word: "infidels" Under the banner
> of
> Islam.they murdered Jewish children in Israel, massacred Christians in
> Lebanon, killed Copts in Egypt, Assyrians in Syria, Hindus in India, and
> expelled almost 900,000 Jews from Muslim lands. We Middle Eastern infidels
> paid the price then. Now infidels worldwide are paying the price for
> indifference and shortsightedness."
>
> Gabriel defends Israel and warns of the dangers of "Islamic
> totalitarianism"
> by lecturing on American college campuses and through her organization,
> American Congress for Truth.
>
> Last month the New York Times published an op-ed by a Muslim academic at
> Yale University, Irshad Manji. Entitled: "How I Learned to Love the Wall",
> it defends the barrier's construction in much the same way as the Israeli
> government does. "Since the barrier went up", writes Manji, "suicide
> attacks
> have plunged, which means innocent Arab lives have been spared along with
> Jewish ones. Does a concrete effort to save civilian lives justify the
> hardship posed by this structure? The humanitarian in me bristles, but
> ultimately answers yes."
>
> Ms. Manji is the best-selling author of "The Trouble with Islam Today: A
> Muslim's Call for Reform in Her Faith" published in 2004. There, on her
> web-site and in international TV and radio interviews Manji crusades for
> the
> emergence of moderate Islam to counter terrorist Islam. She asserts that
> mainstream Muslims, those who do not actually engage in terrorism, are in
> denial about the role their religion plays in encouraging the bloodshed.
> She
> challenges those who "assure us that Islam is an innocent bystander in
> today
> 's terrorism" and points to the video legacies of the terrorists
> themselves - replete with Koranic quotes - as proof in point.
>
> These Christian and Muslim Arabs are more courageous and honest than many
> of
> my compatriots. Israeli reserves of these traits are sorely depleted. Too
> many of us have been, to borrow an image brought by Manji describe her own
> people, "sticking fingers in our ears and chanting 'Islam means peace'".
>
> And if one can judge from our newly elected Prime Minister, then even
> Israel
> 's leaders lack the mettle and morals of our tenacious foreign allies.
> Imagine how uplifted our enemies must have been by Ehud Olmert words
> several
> months ago. In an alarming speech to the Israel Policy Forum he conceded:
> "We are tired of fighting, we are tired of being courageous, we are tired
> of
> winning, we are tired of defeating our enemies."
>
> He is not far behind another veteran Israeli politician, Shulamit Aloni,
> who
> announced in a pre-election interview on national radio "My shame over
> being
> an Israeli grows constantly." And a Haaretz columnist, Benny Tzifir, in
> critiquing the chase, capture and arrest of a Palestinian carrying an
> explosive belt wrote "We are the ones losing our humanity".
>
> We need to extend a supportive hand to these inspirational Arab activists
> who, unlike Olmert and his cohorts, are wide awake, energetic and proud of
> Israel. We owe it both to ourselves and to them. Every one of them lives
> in
> the shadows of phone and e-mail death threats or "fatwas" from the Muslims
> they challenge. A New York Times article carelessly revealed the location
> of
> Dr. Sultan's residence. Consequently, her supporters have been canvassing
> private security firms to donate equipment and services for her
> protection.
> This is where we Jews could make a concrete donation. We can also support
> them by arranging radio and TV appearances and live speaking engagements.
>
> Representatives of Palestinian terror organizations are routinely hosted
> on
> radio and TV. But during the visit to the region that inspired her New
> York
> Times op-ed about the security fence, Manji was not interviewed even once
> by
> Israeli journalists. Is there no spare air-time for Arabs who are not
> intent
> on murdering us?
>
> The three leaders of the German White Rose, a brother and sister and
> friend,
> were arrested, tried and summarily beheaded by the Nazis in 1943. Their
> supporters were all subsequently caught and either executed or sent to
> concentration camps. Their movement's year-long struggle against barbarism
> (1942-43) never progressed beyond the hand-printing and distribution of
> anti-Nazi leaflets.
>
> We must not allow the latter-day "White Rose" to suffer the same fate.
> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21911

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TOPIC: Ataques contra rebeldes en frontera paquistaní Internacional Caracas,
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http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/4b87ebdb232e3c7d
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 1:31 am
From: "PM"

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EEUU dice que corrupción anima a grupos indígenas
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TOPIC: Ecuador descarta acuerdo con Pdvsa en su estrategia petrolera Economía
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 1:31 am
From: "PM"

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mercado financiero _antiguos fondos de activos líquidos_ entre las
instituciones financieras que deben mantener un encaje mínimo en el
instituto emisor.
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TOPIC: El autor describe un problema real de 'entendimientos y mensajes' entre
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http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9337fb99edad71d0
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 1:36 am
From: "PM"

U.S.Cuba Policy; Will we get it right this time? By Alberto Luzarraga

El Cuento Chino de la Transición y la Guantanamera de la Sucesión.

Eugenio Yáñez.

El autor describe un problema real de 'entendimientos y mensajes' entre las
fuerzas armadas cubanas y los militares americanos. En ese intercambio la
ingenuidad lucha con la maldad. Después del caso Ana Belén Montes es
razonable desconfiar de la capacidad de los interlocutores del lado de los
U.S. para captar la realidad. Les han tomado el pelo por 20 años. ¿Por que
no uno más? El artículo que sigue escrito en inglés estaba dirigido a los
nativos de este país. Algunos entienden y desconfían. Nuestra misión:
Difundir ideas, informar y oponernos a MAS estupideces. Ya hemos sufrido
bastantes. Si vive en los U.S. escriba a su congresista y dígale lo que el
título del artículo que sigue:
U.S.Cuba Policy; Will we get it right this time? By Alberto Luzarraga

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TOPIC: OLOR A CUBA
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 10:37 pm
From: "PM"

OLOR A CUBA

OLOR A CUBA

¡¡Para todos los que se, tienen aún el "olor a Cuba" en su corazóon!!

En la novela de Francisco Umbral -- Trilogía de Madrid, el protagonista
el autor, mejor dicho, porque Umbral es sin duda ambos--,

habla todo el tiempo del olor que percibe, que parece perseguirlo por la
ciudad,

el olor del "arroz a la cubana". ¿Un plato típico de Cuba que no conocemos?

¡Pues no!, Umbral esta hablando del casero arroz blanco,

con huevos fritos y plátanos maduros.

¿Lo están ustedes también oliendo ahora?

Pues según él, Madrid estaba inundado en una epoca de "arroz a la cubana",
esa maravillosa combinación que en parte les debe el mérito a los
esclavos africanos, quiénes fueron, se dice, los que trajeron de su tierra
el hábito de freir los plátanos maduros.

¿Puede haber olor más cubano? Es tan dulce como su sabor mismo, y va
dejando una grata estela de recuerdos. No se equivocaba Umbral al hablar de
la intensidad de este olor esparciandose por todo Madrid en una época en que
los cubanos exiliados traían tambien en sus valijas sus olores mas queridos.

Los familiares y humanos. Como el rico olor a café recién colado, o el del
humo del tabaco en la sobremesa.

¿Olores cubanos?...

El de la tierra colorada húmeda tras un aguacero...
El del viento que arrastra los residuos de los cañaverales quemados...
El del jazmón del cabo en la noche...
El del rocío oliendo a esencia del alma...
El del frijol "colorao" y el frijol negro humeando en la cocina...
El de la carne de cerdo asándose entre hojas de guayaba o plátano...
El del mar salpicando la piel en el Malecón de La Habana...
El del agua de violeta de los bebés...
El de las sábanas almidonadas, azuleadas y planchadas de Nuestras abuelas...
El del limonero junto a la ventana, ah, en el patio...
El de la suave ternura del agua de coco...
El de los deliciosos postres que asocio a encajes, canela y vainilla...
Arroz con leche, natilla, flanes, mantecados, boniatillos, toronja en
almíbar.
El de las frituras de bacalao...
El de los moros y cristianos con un apelativo tan ajeno a la cruenta
historia...

Los niños de Cuba, ahora en tierras del exilio, no han olvidado sus olores,
sabores. Paula, mi nieta, llego a mi casa hace unos días con una botellita
escondida en su mochila, y un ruego: "Abuela, quiero que me hagas
arroz con leche como el de la señora López. Te traje la vainilla".
La señora López, la vecina de mi nieta, se alimenta todavía con los olores
traidos de Cuba, y a su vez alimenta a Paula con el espíritu de la isla.

¿A que huele Cuba? , huele diferente, supongo.
Huele distinta al resto del Caribe y, por supuesto, al resto del mundo.
Cuba huele...a Cuba. A sol y arena.

Huele a sus versos, a sus canciones.
Huele a lo que huelen los colores de la vida.
Huele a energía buena, a energía radiante.
Huele a tierra negra y tierra colorada.
Huele a sazón con ajo y cebolla y ají.
Huele a perejil sobre el pargo.

Pero sobre todo, huele a recuerdos, a tafetanes y tules, a rosas disecadas
entre los libros. Huele a Colonia 1800, a lavanda, a talcos, a romero
para ennegrecer el pelo; huele a brillantina (¿Tres flores o Palmolive?)
en el cabello de los hombres; huele a jabón Candado, huele a añil, que es
el color del cielo. Al menos a todo eso olía hace muchos años, ahora, no
se, ...pero en Madrid, en Miami, en Nueva Jersey, y en todas las casas de
cubanos exiliados por todo el mundo huele a Cuba, a la Cuba de Ayer.

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TOPIC: ABorted Fetus - OK for Stem Cell research?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 10:53 pm
From: "Non scrivetemi"

Do you consider it would be OK to use the aborted fetus' for Stem Cell
research purposes?

We would not be killing them just for that reason and it would help
mankind.

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http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/cd9b460263d94174
* NO ERECTION ALLOWED: TALMUD - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/385775098c0645e5
* DO NOT MESS WITH IRAN, KIKE! - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/c6d79a4043be4c6e
* ETHNIC CLEANSING PARTY OF KIKELAND - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/0eaa2aaa60fc5bfa
* MURDERING FOR FUN - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/cb5ff12b53335f74

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TOPIC: MURDER OF RACHEL CORRIE, AN AMERICAN HEROINE
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/230b20b958a3d3ba
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 11:35 pm
From: AnonMoos

"Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote:

>> racist hate-bigots!

> WTF is a "hate-bigot"? A person who hates bigots?

Yeah, just like a redneck is someone who necks Reds! Go away, bigot-boy...

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Murderers are not martyrs! http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 11:43 pm
From: AnonMoos

Daniel Bernard <bad@bad.one> wrote:
>On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 12:28:46 +1200, "Tilly" <TillyGr@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>Daniel Bernard wrote:
>>> On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 16:27:05 +1200, "Tilly" <TillyGr@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>> Yes that was all very interesting but everyone makes incorrect posts,
>>> either intentionally or unintentionally, at one time or another.

>> Alex's are all intentional.

> Maybe he is confused or just being obstinate.

No excuse is too lame for Danny to try to use to justify the nonsense
spewed by his friends, the racist hate-bigots!

> People do dig their heels in rather than admit they are wrong.

Yeah, StriderCabal has a consistent problem with ever admitting that
he's wrong in the slightest degree, no matter how blatantly crudely
wrong his mistake is, or even if the error is a hightly tangential or
trivial one which doesn't really affect his main point. But I'm
afraid that this "infallibility complex" is really part of the
problem, not any kind of valid excuse for anything. As I've told
StriderCabal several times, even the Pope only claims infallibility
for his most solemn "ex cathedra" pronouncements, while Seredin
claims infallibility for any random nonsense that he puts in a Usenet
message!

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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 2:37 pm
From: "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com>

"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
news:4435EC11.4AFB8A52@io.com...
> "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> racist hate-bigots!
>
>> WTF is a "hate-bigot"? A person who hates bigots?
>
> Yeah, just like a redneck is someone who necks Reds! Go away,
> bigot-boy...

Fuck off, swamp hun.

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TOPIC: Whooooooooooooooooooooo-hoooooooooooooooooooooo !!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/bbf453dcdcfdb5ce
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 9:32 pm
From: "satan oscillate my metallic sonatas™ ♥"

Kentucky Fried Gerbilfrickers, anyone ?!?!?

http://www.bw.lehigh.edu/story.asp?ID=19708

HOOROO

UNCLE WALLY

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Russian military stalls on reports Ukraine sold warheads to Iran
12:25 | 03/ 04/ 2006

MOSCOW, April 3 (RIA Novosti) - The chief of Russia's General Staff
said Monday he could neither confirm nor deny reports that Ukraine had
sold 250 nuclear warheads to Iran.

"Russia's General Staff has no information about whether Ukraine has
given 250 nuclear warheads to Iran or not," General Yury Baluyevsky,
also deputy defense minister, said in response to an article in Novaya
Gazeta newspaper Monday. "I do not comment on unsubstantiated reports."

The newspaper said that Ukraine had failed to return 250 warheads to
Russia in the 1990s when the former Soviet republic declared itself a
nuclear-free zone. The paper suggested the warheads could have been
sold to a third country, including Iran.

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TOPIC: YA OPERAN EN LA CAPITAL MEXICANA 10 CENTROS OPERATIVOS BOLIVARIANOS
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2833ae09726c2a0b
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 9:32 pm
From: Seneca

Gracias a Jesus por los Bolivarianos, gracias por la sbuenas noticias.

Viva Hugo Chavez!

On Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:56:11 -0700, PM <pedro1940@progression.net> wrote:

> Objet:
> Date: 2 avril, 2006 00:24
>
> YA OPERAN EN LA CAPITAL MEXICANA 10 CENTROS OPERATIVOS BOLIVARIANOS
> Por Francisco Reséndiz - La Cronica - México D.F.
>
> Anochece en Ciudad Universitaria. Falta una semana para que inicien las
> clases... pero hay mucho movimiento. En Economía, Filosofía y Ciencias
> Políticas grupos de estudiantes, apoyados por agentes venezolanos, se
> apresuran a imprimir propaganda bolivariana pro Andrés Manuel López
> Obrador
> que repartirán de inmediato en pueblos y comunidades de Oaxaca, Morelos y
> Guerrero.
>
> La lluvia, extraña en febrero, y el frío, me hacen recordar que durante
> los
> últimos tres meses he participado en uno de los círculos bolivarianos que
> reciben apoyo económico, asesoría logística e instrucción ideológica de
> activistas capacitados por el gobierno de Venezuela: El José Revueltas.
>
> Estos meses integré una agenda que ubica a líderes de los grupos
> bolivarianos, sus direcciones particulares y laborales. Además, de
> acuerdo
> con integrantes de sus propias grupaciones e información de inteligencia
> mexicana y venezolana se configuró su perfil, muchos vinculados a
> expresiones del EPR y el ERPI.
>
> La propaganda son carteles que rezan "bolivarianos van por Andrés Manuel
> López Obrador"; algunos volantes con una fotografía del tabasqueño tomada
> durante el juicio que se llevó a cabo en la Cámara de Diputados reza:
> "por
> la unidad de América Latina AMLO", y unos folletos que hablan de la
> necesidad de unión de los países latinos proclama: "El Eje Caracas-La
> Habana-México con López Obrador".
>
> Los estudiantes e integrantes de organizaciones civiles reparten los
> volantes, folletos, en las colonias pobres de diversas zonas
> metropolitanas,
> principalmente la de la Cuidad de México, y en poblaciones o comunidades
> pequeñas de diversos estados cuando realizan acciones comunitarias como
> consultas médicas, cortes de cabello, así como de alfabetización.
>
> Cuando pregunto a los estudiantes sobre la elección presidencial dicen
> con
> desgano que López Obrador y el PRD "son la única forma de impedir el
> expansionismo del imperio stadunidense"; no se ven convencidos pero
> mantienen estrechos vínculos con las Redes Ciudadanas que empujan la
> candidatura presidencial perredista.
>
> Supe que tenían acercamientos con líderes del PRD capitalino, pero no
> alcancé a conocer sus nombres, pero los propios activistas me comentaban
> que
> no eran bien recibidos a pesar de que daban su apoyo a López Obrador.
> "No nos querían cerca de ellos pero agradecían el trabajo comunitario que
> hacemos para empujar a su candidato", me dijo un día uno de los líderes
> estudiantiles.
>
> Los grupos bolivarianos pro López Obrador se organizan en las facultades
> de
> Filosofía y Letras, Economía, Trabajo Social y Ciencias Políticas y en
> los
> campus Aragón, Acatlán y Cuautitlán de la UNAM, así como en
> instalaciones de
> las universidades de Chapingo, de la Ciudad de México, UAM-Iztapalapa,
> Benito Juárez de Oaxaca y la UAEM y en diversas casas particulares.
>
> Ayer, al concluir este reportaje, recibí un correo electrónico a través
> de
> nacional@cronica.com.mx en el que se dice:
>
> "Sé de primera mano que al eterno sindicalista de la UAM, Edur Velasco,
> los
> venezolanos le pagaron boleto de avión y estancia en Caracas para que
> estuviera presente en la marcha ontra el gobierno mexicano (la misma a la
> que asistieron, "a título personal", dos legisladores perredistas)".
>
> En fin, el 23 de febrero, viernes, fue la última vez que asistí a una de
> sus
> reuniones en la Facultad de Filosofía, había 15 activistas. La discusión,
> como todas, siempre desordenada, partió del análisis político coyuntural
> que
> detonó el caso Mario Marín, hablaron del ataque a Lydia Cacho y de la
> necesidad de impulsar un mayor apoyo a la mujer.
>
> Entonces alguien fue al fondo del cubículo y tomó un ejemplar maltratado
> del
> "Proyecto Alternativo de Nación" e iniciaron una rigurosa comparación con
> los proyectos de Felipe Calderón y de Roberto Madrazo en el sentido
> estricto
> de igualdad de género.
>
> Su forma de vestir igual a la de cualquier chico clasemediero de la
> Ciudad
> de México. Usan pantalones de mezclilla y camisas de algodón o franela,
> chamarras de piel o igual de mezclilla.
>
> Sentada en una mesa del cubículo, Laura "N" hablaba casi a gritos,
> discernía
> y los demás, algunos sentados en bancas y otros en el piso, no hablaban
> de
> López Obrador ni de Madrazo ni de Calderón pero insistían en que "se debe
> lograr la unidad latinoamericana".
>
> Soy el más viejo de mi círculo. Los primeros encuentros fueron en casas
> de
> activistas y líderes que, según informes de inteligencia, están
> vinculados
> al EPR y las FARC-EP; luego nos reunimos en cubículos de círculos
> bolivarianos, tanto en la Facultad de Filosofía y Letras como en la de
> Ciencias Políticas y Sociales.
>
> Ese viernes acompañé a uno de los líderes, sólo sé que se llama
> "Fernando".
> Es un chico simpático, siempre con boina, barba desarreglada, fachoso y
> sucio. Usa camisas de algodón con imágenes del Che, de Cristo o de
> Marcos.
> Esperamos a un costado de un puesto de dulces a las afueras de la
> Facultad
> de Filosofía.
>
> En un rato llega un hombre con acento sudamericano, luego Fernando me
> diría
> que es un estudiante venezolano de la Facultad de Medicina, quizá me
> mintió.
> Se alejan un poco de mí. Le da un pequeño paquete forrado de papel
> periódico. Son 25 mil pesos. Un rato después el propio activista me diría
> que se trata de una gente de toda la confianza del ex embajador Vladimir
> Villegas.
>
> El dinero lo emplea de inmediato. No me dice nada. Vamos aprisa a
> Copilco y
> compramos cigarros, cervezas y comida. Regresamos al cubículo de la
> Facultad
> y al resto del grupo les rinde cuentas... 24 mil 500 pesos "para las
> actividades de lo que resta de febrero".
>
> Hay otros grupos bolivarianos, con apoyo venezolano, que realizan
> actividades políticas en oficinas ubicadas en Jalapa 213, Colonia Roma,
> instalaciones del Movimiento Bolivariano de los pueblos que comparten con
> organizaciones de izquierda como el Frente del Pueblo y la Unión de
> Vecinos
> y Damnificados 19 de Septiembre.
>
> En el parque de Santa María la Ribera se juntan los que pertenecen al
> Movimiento Mexicano Juarista Bolivariano de Cuauhtémoc Amezcua Dromundo,
> el
> cual cuenta con instalaciones en Insurgentes Sur 216, colonia Roma, que
> comparte con la AC "Sociedad Mexicana de Estudios Legislativos".
>
> Las casas de los principales líderes bolivarianos en México se convierten
> como centros logísticos y se ubican principalmente en colonias de la zona
> metropolitana de la Ciudad de México como Valle de Aragón, Polígonos II,
> además de colonias céntricas como Tlatelolco, Roma, y del oriente del DF
> como Iztapalapa.
> Todas las direcciones están confirmadas y algunas se guardarán como
> medida
> de seguridad.
>
> LA AGENDA Y LOS LÍDERES.
>
>
> El Movimiento Bolivariano de los Pueblos
> (Movimiento de Lucha Popular), es liderado por Ángel Fermín García Luna y
> Margarita Irasema Villanueva Gallegos. Él es empleado en el Hospital 1 de
> Octubre. Mantiene un discurso radical que pugna por la instauración del
> socialismo como único instrumento de cambio de poderes.
>
> Se le vincula con Efrén Cortés Chávez y Erika Zamora Pardo, ex
> integrantes
> del Ejército Revolucionario del Pueblo Insurgente; además, con otros
> activistas de izquierda y pro PRD. Es integrante de la Promotora por la
> Unidad Nacional contra el Neoliberalismo.
>
> Su esposa, Margarita Irasema, se desempeñaba hasta agosto del año pasado
> como gestora de vivienda en Ecatepec y forma parte del Frente Sindical
> Campesino, Indígena, Social y Popular y Movimiento Bolivariano de los
> Pueblos.
> Es una mujer que considera la vía armada como único recursos "para
> derrocar
> al imperialismo y consolidar el comunismo". En Guerrero se le relaciona
> con
> el abogado defensor de integrantes del ERPI, Félix Rodríguez Navarrete y
> también se le relaciona con integrantes del Comité Digna Ochoa, la
> Coordinadora Nacional por la Libertad de Presos Políticos y de
> Conciencia.
>
> Otro integrante de esta organización es Alejandro de Jesús Veras Orozco,
> dirigente del Frente del Pueblo e importante activista del Movimiento
> Urbano
> Popular. Empuja en la ciudad de México al Movimiento Bolivariano de los
> Pueblos.
>
> El personaje con mayor presencia pública es Cuauhtémoc Amezcua Dromundo,
> dirigente del Movimiento Mexicano Juarista Bolivariano, quien fue
> diputado
> federal por el PPS y es presidente de la APN "Nueva Democracia".
>
> Impulsa el Proyecto Alternativo de Nación que promueve el Frente Sindical
> Campesino, Indígena, Social y Popular y la Promotora por la Unidad
> Nacional
> contra el Neoliberalismo. Es escritor, impulsor del Movimiento de
> Solidaridad con Cuba, Comité Mexicano contra el ALCA, investigador de la
> UAM.
>
> Respecto a la Coordinadora Continental Bolivariana Capítulo México
> (Núcleo
> Mexicano de Apoyo a las Fuerzas Armadas Revolucionarias de
> Colombia-Ejército
> del Pueblo), ésta concentra su principal centro de acción en la UNAM,
> donde
> se relacionó con el CGH.
>
> Los activistas Luisa Malinalli Rebollar Flores, Desireé Robledo Torrano,
> Sonia Moret Álvarez, Arlene Serna Espadas, Fernando "N", Edgardo "N",
> Estela
> "N" y Berenice "N" se ubican como los principales promotores de las
> FARC-EP
> en México, participando en diversos foros sociales donde expenden
> productos
> alusivos a las FARC-Mantienen relación estrecha con el Movimiento
> Mexicano
> de Solidaridad con Cuba, el Frente de Lucha Estudiantil Juan Antonio
> Mella y
> el Partido Revolucionario de los Trabajadores. Esta agrupación tiene su
> domicilio en
> Xola 181-A, colonia Álamos, inmueble propiedad del PRT, donde convergen
> organizaciones como la Coordinadora Continental Bolivariana, Convergencia
> Socialista y los Talleres Gráficos del FMLN.
> El proyecto bolivariano y la integración del eje Caracas-la
> Habana-México lo
> tienen en la mente. Van y ofrecen consultas médicas, enseñan a la gente a
> leer y escribir, se hacen sus amigos. Tienen claro su único objetivo y
> para
> alcanzarlo, dicen "vamos a empujar a López Obrador".
>
> Las direcciones
> Informes de inteligencia de México y Venezuela revelan que los centros de
> reunión bolivarianos se localizan en los siguientes puntos del DF y zona
> metropolitana:
> w Jalapa 213, colonia Roma
> w Insurgentes Sur 216
> w Santa María la Ribera 27
> w Xola 181-A, colonia Álamos
> w Monterrey 15, colonia Roma
> w Mina 62, colonia Barrio San Miguel, Iztapalapa
> w Pejelagarto Manzana 17 lote 21, fraccionamiento PROFEOEC Polígono II
> w Calle del Pozo 8, colonia Santa Cruz, Toluca
>
> En Jalisco
> w Cipriano Campos 1263, colonia Villas del Nilo
> w Av. Constituyente 1094, Zapopan
> w Av. Hidalgo 1730, Guadalajara
>
> En Oaxaca
> w En el interior del edificio de la Sección XXI del Sindicato Nacional de
> Trabajadores de la Educación, sito Armenta y López 221, Centro
> w Francisco Villa 207-A, colonia Reforma Agraria
> Quieren en Venezuela venir como observadores
>
> [ José Alejandro Sánchez ]
>
> William Lara, brazo derecho del presidente de Venezuela, Hugo Chávez,
> manifestó su interés de ser observador del proceso electoral mexicano
> para
> renovar Presidente el 2 de julio próximo.
>
> Por teléfono se le preguntaba a Lara su opinión sobre la investigación
> que
> demuestra que células chavistas apoyan aquí un eje Caracas-La
> Habana-México,
> cuando expresó que les gustaría estar en el país el día de las
> elecciones.
>
> "Nosotros apostamos a que el proceso de campaña mexicano y las
> elecciones se
> realicen en un clima cívico y de paz como es característica de la
> conducta
> colectiva del pueblo mexicano, arraigada profundamente en la democracia.
> De
> ninguna manera habrá injerencia de Venezuela, pero si somos invitados
> como
> observadores ahí estaremos", dijo.
>
> Y agregó: "Invitados como Movimiento Quinta República (partido que llevó
> a
> Chávez al poder) ahí estaremos. Y si no, esperaremos las elecciones por
> transmisión radial y televisión".
>
> William Lara, quien además ha sido coordinador de los Círculos
> Bolivarianos
> en Venezuela, dijo que aún no hay invitación formal pero que sí "alguna
> fuerza política" los llega a invitar, responderán puntualmente .
>
> Sobre la participación activa del ex embajador Vladimir Villegas a
> reuniones
> que sostuvo con universitarios en distintas casas de estudios, como la
> UNAM,
> argumentó que su correligionario se acercó a divulgar propaganda política
> como una manera de dar a conocer el proyecto venezolano.
>
> "No se interviene en política interna. Cuando el embajador divulgó la
> información no hace otra cosa que dar a conocer nuestro proyecto. Por eso
> consideramos que la información publicada en Crónica corresponde a una
> campaña estadunidense que busca aislar a Venezuela", aseguró.
>
> Y señaló que el acercamiento de su partido con legisladores del PRD no
> significa que Venezuela esté interesado en que una fuerza política de
> izquierda asuma el poder como sucedió en Brasil, Argentina y
> recientemente
> Bolivia, con cuyos países Hugo Chávez tiene proyectos de inversión.
>
> ----------------------------------------------
> COORDINADORA CONTINENTAL BOLIVARIANA CAPITULOS EN MEXICO
> Guerrero
> Oaxaca
> Baja California
> Chiapas
> Chihuahua
> Coahuila
> Colima
> Distrito Federal
> Hidalgo
> Puebla
> Veracruz
> Estado de México
>
> ---------------------------------
> ORGANIZACIONES CIVILES FINANCIADAS POR VENEZUELA
>
> ---------------------------------
> *Movimiento Mexicano Juarista Bolivariano
> *Movimiento Bolivariano de los Pueblos
> *Núcleo Mexicano de Apoyo a las FARC-EP
> *Coordinadora Nacional de Trabajadores de la Educación
> *Unión de Trabajadores de la Industria Petrolera
> *Movimiento Sindicalismo Revolucionario
> *Movimiento de Izquierda Social
> *Movimiento Nacional de la Juventud Mexicana
> *Centro de Estudios Sociales
> *Estudiantes de la Facultad de Ciencias Políticas de la UNAM
> *Consejo Latinoamericano de Artes Visuales
> *Sociedad Mexicana de Autores de Artes Plásticas *Coordinadora
> Continental
> Bolivariana
> *Sindicato de Trabajadores Académicos de la Universidad de Guadalajara
> *Asociación por la Unidad Nuestra América de México
> *Movimiento Pueblo Mexicano
> *Comité Amigos de Puerto Rico
> *Círculo bolivariano Ricardo Flores Magón
> *Círculo bolivariano José Revueltas
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> GRUPOS VIOLENTOS CON VINCULOS A "CELULAS BOLIVARIANAS"
>
> * Ejército de Ajusticiamiento Genaro Vázquez
> * Ejército Revolucionario Insurgente Popular
> * Ejército Clandestino Indígena de Liberación Nacional
> * Ejército Indígena Revolucionario de Liberación Nacional
> * Fuerzas Armadas Clandestinas de Liberación Nacional
> * Movimiento Insurgente del Sureste y el Movimiento Veracruzano de
> Liberación
> * Con el Ejército Popular Revolucionario y su escisión Ejército
> Revolucionario del Pueblo Insurgente sólo han conseguido el apoyo de
> grupos
> que, aunque pequeños, "tienen significativa influencia" hacia su
> interior.
>
> LA NUEVA CUBA
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> que piensa, no es un hombre honrado. Un hombre que obedece a un mal
> gobierno, sin trabajar para que el gobierno sea bueno, no es un hombre
> honrado.
>
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TOPIC: $10,000 Reward for Thai Air Force Commander Akkavibul
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/416ef42277b367dc
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 4 2006 3:13 pm
From: Anonymous

Reward paid on conviction of Suchart and Yuwadee Akkavibul.

http://thailand.ahrchk.net/mainfile.php/general/29/

http://www.ahrchk.net/ua/mainfile.php/2004/886/

UPDATE (Thailand): Case of the killing of a migrant worker dragged on
by apparent delay of trial; Public prosecutor must speed up the case

UPDATE ON URGENT APPEAL UPDATE ON URGENT APPEAL UPDATE ON URGENT
APPEAL

ASIAN HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION - URGENT APPEALS PROGRAMME

Update on Urgent Appeal
10 December 2004

[RE: UA-91-2004: THAILAND: Transparency in trial of the killers of a
migrant worker demanded on 23 July 2004]

UP-80-2004: THAILAND: Case of the killing of a migrant worker dragged
on by apparent delay of trial; Public prosecutor must speed up the
case

THAILAND: Impunity; violence against women; rule of law

Dear friends,

The Asian Human Rights Commission is seriously concerned by the
apparent delay of a trial of Ma Suu, a Burmese migrant worker who died
after being beaten and set on fire by her employers, Suchart and
Yuwadee Akkavibul in July 2002. The accused Thai airforce officer and
his wife had escaped justice for two years, because of the officer's
influence and position of authority. (See further: UA-91-2004)

According to the information we have received, hearings were held to
take evidence two times on July 26 and August 4 2004. After hearing a
number of witnesses and obtaining strong evidence, the public
prosecutor charged the accused, Suchart and Yuwadee, with murder,
confinement and harbouring an illegal alien, and the case went to the
full court on November 1, 2004 (Black No. 1089/2547 at Uthaithanee
Provincial Court).

However, the court delayed the trial by setting the next hearing in
January 2006 saying that the court needed to handle pending cases
before new ones, under a new procedure. Local human rights groups say
that some new cases will be delayed for about three or four years
under these circumstances. Ma Suu's lawyer worries that the case will
be weakened by this delay as it is not certain that witnesses will be
available at the convenience of the court over a year from now.

The AHRC calls for your urgent intervention into this matter. Please
send a letter to Mr Kampree Kaocharern, the Attorney General of
Thailand, and urge him to take prompt steps to speed up the case,
considering the brutality and urgency and the fact that the case has
already been considerably delayed before the accused is an airforce
officer. Please also urge him to take evidence from witnesses prior to
the next hearing in 2006 in order to prevent damage to the prosecution
case.

Urgent Appeals Desk
Asian Human Rights Commission (AHRC)

UPDATED INFORMATION:

An 18-year-old Burmese migrant worker, Ma Suu, was brutally murdered
by her employees, Suchart Akkavibul and his wife Yuwadee, who set her
on fire alleging theft in Lop Buri Province, Thailand, in early July
2002. Two years after the incident on June 25, 2004, Suchart and his
wife finally appeared before the Uthaithanee Provincial Court.
However, they were given bail on the grounds that Suchart is a state
officer, although the prosecutor opposed bail. Suchart Akkavibul is a
special group commander in the Royal Thai Airforce.

The public prosecutor then applied to the court in order to take
testimony from the witnesses before the entry of the charge in the
court under Section 237 of the Criminal Procedure Code B.E.2477
[1928]. According to Section 237, when there are reasonable grounds to
believe that it is difficult for the witness to give testimony in the
future, the public prosecutor can apply motion to the court to take
his testimony promptly before the entry of the charge in the court.
The court received this application and hearings were held two times
on July 26 and August 4, 2004. Five Burmese workers who were employed
by Suchart gave their testimony at the hearings. Their names were
recorded as Mr Janai, Mr Chid, Mr Chai, Mr Nai and Mr Sang. At the
hearings, they testified that they saw that Ma Suu was severely beaten
by the employers. Some of them also testified that they saw her burn
injuries after the incident. Another Thai employer named Samrueng
Ponnikorn, who had been involved in the incident, also testified
against the two accused with the agreement that he would be escape
from prosecution. His elder brother, Kamron Ponnikorn has also already
agreed to testify in next hearing on the same condition.
Finally, the Public Prosecutor charged Suchart and his wife with
murder, confinement and harbouring an illegal alien under Sections 289
and 310 of the Penal Code of Thailand and Section 64 of the
Immigration Act B.E.2522 [1979]. The first hearing of the case was
held at Uthaithanee Provincial Court on November 1. Although the
initial progress looked good, the court set the next hearing for
January 2006. As a new hearing system was enforced a year ago, the
court needs time to handle pending cases filed in the old hearing
system prior to hearing new cases. However, local human rights groups
argue that enforcing the new hearing system is being used as an excuse
to drag on trial in some cases, and this case must be heard without
further delay due to its brutality and urgency. The accused Thai
airforce officer and his wife had already escaped justice for two
years, apparently because of the officer's influence and position of
authority.

A journalist working for the Voice of America is also scheduled to
give a statement in the next hearing. He is the person who recorded Ma
Suu's statement about the incident and took her photos when he visited
her at the hospital in July 2004.

Ma Suu's lawyer worries that the delay will weaken the case and the
accused will enjoy impunity in the end, as most of these witnesses may
not be expected to be available at the convenience of the court over a
year from now. The lawyer is also concerned that even though some
witnesses may appear in the court in 2006, the evidence of the case
will be destroyed because the accused is an influential state officer.

BREIF REMINDER OF THE CASE:

Ma Suu was brutally murdered by her employers, Suchart and Yuwadee
Akkavibul, who set her on fire alleging theft in Lop Buri Province,
Thailand, in early July 2002. Although Ma Suu sustained fatal burn
injuries, her employers abandoned her in a room without treatment or
food for three days and then dumped her by a roadside. On the early
morning of July 7, 2002, a man found Ma Suu on the road and sent her
to a hospital in town. However, she died nine days later, after
implicating the accused three persons;, Suchart his wife and Kamron
Ponnikorn.
SUGGESTED ACTION:

Please send a letter to the Attorney General of Thailand and urge him
to take prompt steps to speed up the case. Please also urge the
Attorney General to file the motion to the Court under Section 237 of
the Criminal Procedure Code B.E.2477 [1928], and take evidences from
the witnesses concerned prior to the next hearing in 2006 in order to
prevent loss of evidence.

Sample letter:

Dear Mr Kampree,

THAILAND: Case of the killing of a migrant worker dragged on by
apparent delay of trial; Public prosecutor must speed up the case;
(Black No. 1089/2547 at Uthaithanee Provincial Court)

Name of Victim: Ma Suu, 18, a Burmese migrant worker
The Accused:
1) Suchart Akkavibul, a special group commander in the Royal Thai
Airforce
2) Yuwadee Akkavibul, wife of Suchart Akkavibul
Case Number: Black Number 1089/2547 at Uthaithanee Province Court

It is with grave concern that I write to you regarding the apparent
delay of a trial of Ma Suu, a Burmese migrant worker brutally murdered
by her employers, Suchart and Yuwadee Akkavibul in July 2002.

According to the information I have received, at the first case
hearing on 1 November 2004, the Uthaithanee Provincial Court delayed
the trial by setting the next hearing for January 2006 despite the
presence of a number of witnesses and strong evidence ensured through
preliminary hearings.

This delay will weaken the case, as the witnesses concerned may not be
expected to be available at the convenience of the court over a year
from now. I am also concerned that the case evidence may be harmed due
to the delay by giving enough time and chance to the accused to
manipulate it. I would like to remind you that one of the accused,
Suchart Akkavibul, is an influential officer in the Royal Thai
Airforce, and he and his wife have so far escaped justice for two
years because of this.

I therefore urge you to take prompt action to speed up the case in
court. I also urge you to take appropriate steps to take evidence from
the witnesses concerned, with the permission of the court, prior to
the next hearing in 2006, in order to prevent loss of evidence.

Yours truly,

SEND A LETTER TO:

Mr Kampree Kaocharern
Attorney General
Office of the Attorney General
Lukmuang Building
Nahuppei Road
Prabraromrachawang, Pranakorn
THAILAND
Fax: +66 2 224 1448 / 221 0858

SEND A COPY OF THE LETTER TO:

1. Mr Pongthep Thepkanjana
Minister of Justice
Office of the Ministry of Justice
Ministry of Justice Building
22nd Floor
Chaeng Wattana Road
Pakkred, Nonthaburi
Bangkok 11120
THAILAND
Tel: +66 2 502 6776/ 8223
Fax: +66 2 502 6699/ 6734/ 6884

2. Ms Yakin Erturk
Special Rapporteur on Violence against Women
OHCHR-UNOG
Palais Wilson, 8-14 Avenue de la Paix
1211 Geneva 10
SWITZERLAND
Fax: +41 22 917 9022

3. Ms Gabriela Rodr?uez Pizarro
Special Rapporteur on the human rights of migrants
Att: Ms. Veronica Birga
Room: 3-040
8-14 Avenue de la Paix
1211 Geneva 10
Switzerland
Tel: +41 22 917 9336
Fax: +41 22 917 9006
E-mail: urgent-action@ohchr.org (please include in the subject box:
Special Rapporteur HR Migrants)

Thank you.

Urgent Appeals Programme
Asian Human Rights Commission (AHRC)

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 9:34 pm
From: "Max Muir"

Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:
> He's a self-admitted illegal narcotics user. Is he going into
> the dealing business?

What, like the Indian weight lifters?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4838968.stm
"Indian lifters fail doping test"

> Jai Maharaj
> http://tinyurl.com/a5ljc
> http://www.mantra.com/jai
> Om Shanti
>
> In article <OkcZf.9709$9h5.3209@dukeread09>,
> "harmony" <aka@hotmail.com> posted:
> > i think mummud muir is working to get a grant from british govt to find out
> > the english equivalents of milipede and centipedes.

Looks like I found the Indian equivalent of scorpion and rat too.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 4:34 am
From: salad

NY.Transfer.News@blythe.org wrote:
>
> Ga. Poised to Mandate Bible Study in Public Schools

This is something that will get shot down by the courts. It'd be
interesting to see what happens if it passes.

However, this action does indicate why Georgia has always been
considered an ignorant state.

And it also indicates how closely we resemble Iran and the other
fundamentalist nations.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 9:35 pm
From: "Seeker" <4not_listed_due_to_spam_bots_121101@dont.reply>

"rkusenet" <rkusenet@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1144319923.025580.300960@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> Seeker wrote:
> > More innocent Muslims targeted by the incompetent police of India.
Indian
> > police can't catch the real Hindu terrorists who carried out this attack
so
> > they frame harmless, defenseless Muslims.
>
> YUP. ONLY PAKIS AND KATUAS HAVE MONOPOLY OVER
> THE TRUTH. (Quran: 7:56)

Oh no, the gita gives the power of truth only to hindutvadi racists brahmins
like you.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 9:36 pm
From: "Seeker" <4not_listed_due_to_spam_bots_121101@dont.reply>

"Mirza Ghalib" <mghalib01@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1144339472.111955.175430@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Since you always complain about persecution of Muslims
> in "Hindu" India, I am proposing this deal. We take all of your
> (Paki) Hindus, and any Parsis, Christian and Buddhists.
> In return you take the bad Muslims out of India. Deal?

Once again, you express your desire to exterminate Muslims from India. I am
sure to you all Muslims are bad Muslims.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 12:37 am
From: "serwad"

CHAPTER II

MISHNAH. EVERY HAND THAT MAKES FREQUENT EXAMINATION IS IN THE CASE OF WOMEN
PRAISEWORTHY,1 BUT IN THE CASE OF MEN IT OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF.2

GEMARA. Wherein [in this respect]3 do women differ from men?4 - Women [in
this matter] are not sensitive,5 hence they are praiseworthy,1 but in the
case of men who are highly sensitive [their hands] ought to be cut off.2
But, if so,2 what was the point in saying 'MAKES FREQUENT' [seeing that the
same reason2 applies] also where [the examinations are] infrequent? - When
'MAKES FREQUENT' was mentioned it was intended to refer to women only.6

One taught: This7 applies only to the emission of semen but as regards
flux8 a man also is as praiseworthy as the women;9 and even in regard to
the emission of semen, if he desires to make the examination with a splinter
or with a potsherd10 he may do so. May he not, however, do it with a rag,
seeing that it was taught: A man may examine himself with a rag or with any
other thing he wishes? - As Abaye stated elsewhere: 'With a thick rag'.10
So also here11 it may be explained: With a thick rag.10 And in what
connection was Abaye's statement made? In connection with the following: If
a priest, while eating terumah, felt a shiver run through his body12 he
takes hold of his membrum13 and swallows the terumah.14 'Takes hold'! But
has it not been taught: R. Eliezer said, 'Whoever holds his membrum when he
makes water is as though he had brought a flood on the world'?15 To this
Abaye replied. 'With a thick rag'.16 Raba replied: It17 may even be said
to apply to a soft rag for once the semen has been detached the subsequent
touch does no longer matter.18 And Abaye?19 - He made provision against
the possibility of an additional discharge.20 And Raba? - He does not
consider the possibility of any additional discharges. But does he not,
seeing that it was taught, 'To what may this21 be compared? To the putting
of a finger upon the eye where, as long as the finger remains on it, the eye
continues to tear'?22 Now Raba?23 - It is quite uncommon for one to get
heated twice in immediate succession.24

[Reverting to] the main text: 'R. Eliezer said, Whoever holds his membrum
when he makes water is as though he had brought a flood on the world'. But,
they said to R. Eliezer, would not the spray bespatter his feet and he would
appear to be maimed in his privy parts so that he25 would be the cause of
casting upon his children the reflection of being illegitimate? - It is
preferable, he answered them, that a man should be the cause of casting upon
his children the reflection of being illegitimate than that he should make
himself a wicked man, even for a while, before the Omnipresent. Another
[Baraitha] taught: R. Eliezer replied to the Sages. It is possible for a man
to stand on a raised spot and to make water or to make water in loose earth
and thus to avoid making himself wicked, even for a while, before the
Omnipresent. Which26 did he27 tell them28 first? If it be suggested that
it was the first mentioned statement that he gave them first [is it likely,
it may be objected], that after he spoke to them of a prohibition29 he
would merely offer a remedy?30 - The fact is that it was the last mentioned
statement31 that he gave them first, and when they asked him, 'What is he
to do when he can find no raised spot or loose earth', he answered them, 'It
is preferable that a man should be the cause of casting upon his children
the reflection of being illegitimate than that he should make himself a
wicked man, even for a while, before the Omnipresent'.

But why all these precautions?32 - Because otherwise one might emit semen
in vain, and R. Johanan stated: Whosoever emits semen in vain deserves
death, for it is said in Scripture. And the thing33 which he did33 was
evil in the sight of the Lord, and He slew him also.34 R. Isaac and R. Ammi
said. He35 is as though he shed blood, for it is said in Scripture. Ye that
inflame yourselves among the terebinths, under every leafy tree, that slay
the children in the valleys under the clefts of the rocks;36 read not 'that
slay'37 but 'that press out'.38 R. Assi said: He39 is like one who
worships idols; for here36 it is written, 'Under every leafy tree' and
elsewhere40 it is written, upon the high mountains . and under every leafy
tree.41

Rab Judah and Samuel once stood upon the roof of the Synagogue of
Shaf-weyathib42 in Nehardea. Said Rab Judah to Samuel 'I must make water'.
'Shinena',43 the other replied, 'take hold of your membrum44 and make the
water outside [the roof]'. But how could he45 do so, seeing that it was
taught: R. Eliezer said, Whoever holds his membrum when he makes water is as
though he brought a flood on the world? - Abaye replied: He treated this
case as that of a reconnoitering troop, concerning which we learnt, 'If a
reconnoitering troop has entered a town in time of peace the open wine jars
are forbidden46 and the closed ones are permitted,47 but in times of war
the former as well as the latter are permitted because the troops have no
time to offer libations'.48 Thus it clearly follows that owing to their
being in a state of fear they do not think49 of offering libations, and so
also in this case, since he45 was in a state of fear he would not think of
lustful matters. But what fear could there be here? - If you wish I might
reply: The fear of the night and of the roof.50 If you prefer I might
reply: The fear of his Master.51 If you prefer I might say: The fear of the
Shechinah.52 If you prefer I might say: The fear of the Lord that was53
upon him,54 for Samuel once remarked of him55 'This man is no mortal
being'.55 If you prefer I might say: He was a married man, and concerning
such R. Nahman ruled, 'If a man was married, this is permitted'. If you
prefer I might say: It was this that he taught him, vis., that which R. Abba
the son of R. Benjamin b. Hiyya learnt: But he may support the testicles
from below. And if you prefer I might say: It was this that he taught them,
viz., that which R. Abbahu stated in the name of R. Johanan: It has a limit;
from the corona downward [touch] is permitted

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Original footnotes renumbered. See Structure of the Talmud Files
1.. Since both husband and wife are thereby saved either from doubtful
uncleanness or from certain transgression.
2.. Because of masturbation.
3.. FREQUENT EXAMINATION.
4.. Sc. why is the hand of the former PRAISEWORTHY while that of the
latter OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF?
5.. I.e., the examination does not unduly excite their passions.
6.. Cf. n. 1.
7.. The culpability of men who make such examinations.
8.. I.e., when a man is suffering from gonorrhoea and is desirous of
ascertaining the number of attacks he had (v. next n.).
9.. Since it is necessary to ascertain whether the attack occurred only
twice or three times. In the former case the man is only unclean while in
the latter he must also bring a sacrifice.
10.. Avoiding masturbation.
11.. In the Baraitha just cited.
12.. Lit., 'that his limbs trembled', an indication of the imminent
emission of semen.
13.. To restrain the emission. Uncleanness does not set in until the semen
has actually left the body.
14.. Infra 40a.
15.. Shab. 41a, infra 43a. The generation of the flood were guilty of such
offences (cf. R.H. 12a). Now how, in view of R. Eliezer's statement, could
one be allowed to commit an offence even for the sake of terumah?
16.. Avoiding masturbation.
17.. In the Baraitha just cited.
18.. Lit., 'since it was uprooted it was uprooted', no more semen would be
emitted despite the heat engendered.
19.. Why, in view of Raba's explanation, does he restrict the application
to a thick rag only?
20.. Of semen.
21.. The touching of the membrum after an emission.
22.. Infra 43a. Lit. 'tears and tears again'.
23.. How could he differ from this Baraitha?
24.. Lit., 'any being heated and being heated again in its time'. Hence
the ruling in the Mishnah infra 40a. The Baraitha infra 43a, on the other
hand, refers to one who practised self-abuse.
25.. Being assumed to be incapable of procreation.
26.. Of the two statements cited.
27.. R. Eliezer.
28.. The Sages.
29.. Which applies in all cases.
30.. Implying that where the remedy is inapplicable the prohibition may be
disregarded.
31.. Lit., 'that'.
32.. Lit., 'and all such, why'.
33.. 'He spilled it on the ground' (Gen. XXXVIII, 9).
34.. Gen. XXXVIII, 10.
35.. Who emits semen in vain.
36.. Isa. LVII, 5.
37.. [H].
38.. [H] interchange of the sibilants shin and sin.
39.. Who emits semen in vain.
40.. In reference to idolatry.
41.. Deut. XII, 2; an inference by analogy.
42.. The name of a man or place. v. Meg. (Sonc. ed.) p. 175, n. 5.
43.. 'Keen-witted', 'long-toothed' (denoting some facial characteristic)
or 'man of iron endurance', cf. B.B. (Sonc. ed.) p. 561, n. 14.
44.. To prevent the water from falling on the roof.
45.. Rab Judah.
46.. Because the troops may have offered them as libation to their idols.
47.. It being assumed that the troops who have at their disposal the open
jars would not meddle with the closed ones.
48.. Keth. 27a, A.Z., 70b.
49.. Lit., 'come'.
50.. Standing on its edge in the darkness of the night he is afraid of
falling off.
51.. Samuel.
52.. Which abides in the Synagogue.
53.. Always, even when not on a roof or in the darkness of night.
54.. So that no impure thoughts would occur to him even at any other time
or place.
55.. Lit., 'born of woman'.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 9:41 pm
From: "Ariadne"

Very vile, aren't you...

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 12:44 am
From: "serwad"

Niddah 13b
but from the corona upwards1 it is forbidden.
Rab stated: 'A man who wilfully causes erection should be placed2 under the
ban'. But why did he3 not say, 'This is forbidden'? Because the man4
merely incites his evil inclination against himself.5 R. Ammi, however,
stated: He4 is called a renegade, because such is the art of the evil
inclination: To-day it incites man to do one wrong thing,6 and to-morrow7
it incites him to worship idols and he proceeds to worship them.

There are others who read: R. Ammi8 stated, He who excites himself by
lustful thoughts will not be allowed to enter the division of the Holy One,
blessed be He. For here it is written, Was evil in the sight of the Lord,9
and elsewhere it is written, For Thou art not a God that hath pleasure in
wickedness; evil shall not sojourn with Thee.10

R.11 Eleazar stated: Who are referred to12 in the Scriptural text, Your
hands are full of blood?13 Those that commit masturbation with their hands.

It was taught at the school of R. Ishmael, Thou shalt not commit adultery14
implies, Thou shalt not practise masturbation either with hand or with foot.

Our Rabbis taught: 'proselytes and those that play with children delay the
advent of the Messiah'. The statement about proselytes may be understood on
the lines of the view of R. Helbo, for R. Helbo said, 'proselytes are as
hard for Israel to endure as a sore',15 what, however, could be meant by
'those that play with children'?16 If it be suggested: Those that practise
pederasty [it could well be objected]: Are not such people subject to
stoning?17 If, however, it be suggested: Those that practise onanism
through external contact18 [it could be objected]: Are not such deserving
destruction by flood?17 - The meaning rather is: Those that marry minors
who are not capable of bearing children, for R. Jose19 stated: The Son of
David20 will not come before all the souls in Guf21 will have been
disposed of, since it is said, For the spirit that enwrappeth itself is from
Me, and the souls which I have made.22

BUT IN THE CASE OF MEN IT OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF. The question was raised: Have
we here23 learnt a law or merely an execration? 'Have we here learnt a law'
as in the case where R. Huna cut off one's hand;24 'or merely an
execration'? - Come and hear what was taught: R. Tarfon said, 'If his hand
touched the membrum let his hand be cut off upon his belly'. 'But', they
said to him,25 'would not his belly be split'? 'It is preferable', he
replied, 'that his belly shall be split rather than that he should go down
into the pit of destruction'.26 Now if you concede that we have here27
learnt a law28 one can well understand why they said, 'Would not his belly
be split'; but if you maintain that we have only learnt of an execration,29
what could be meant by [the question] 'His belly be split'? - What then
would you suggest, that we have learnt here a law, would it not suffice, [it
may be objected, that the cutting off shall] not be done on his belly? - The
fact, however, is that it was this that R. Tarfon meant: Whosoever puts his
hand below his belly that hand shall be cut off. They said to R. Tarfon, 'If
a thorn stuck in his belly, should he not remove it'? 'No', he replied. 'But
[they said] would not his belly be split'?30 'It is preferable', he
replied, 'that his belly shall be split rather than that he should go down
to the pit of destruction'.26

MISHNAH. IN THE CASE OF A DEAF,31 AN IMBECILE, A BLIND OR AN INSANE32
WOMAN, IF OTHER WOMEN OF SOUND SENSES ARE AVAILABLE33 THEY ATTEND TO HER,34
AND SHE MAY THEN EAT TERUMAH.

GEMARA. Why should not a DEAF woman make her own examination, seeing that it
was taught: Rabbi stated, A deaf woman was living in our neighbourhood and
not only35 did she examine herself but her friends also on observing a
discharge would show it to her?36 - There it was a woman who could speak
but not hear while here the reference is to one who can neither speak nor
hear; as we have learnt: The deaf person of whom the Sages spoke is always37
one who can neither hear nor speak.38

A BLIND. Why should she not make her own examination and show the
testing-rag to her friend? - R. Jose son of R. Hanina replied: The 'blind'
is no part of the Mishnah.39

OR AN INSANE WOMAN. Is not this exactly the same as IMBECILE?40 This refers
to one whose mind was deranged owing to a disease.

Our Rabbis taught: A priest who is an imbecile may be ritually immersed and
then fed with terumah41 in the evening.42 He must also be watched that he
does not fall asleep.43 If he falls asleep he is deemed unclean44 and if
he does not fall asleep he remains clean. R. Eliezer son of R. Zadok ruled:
He should be provided with a leather bag.45 The Rabbis said to him: 'Would
not this cause heat all the more'? 'According to your view', he replied,
'should an imbecile have no remedy'? 'According to our view', they retorted,
'only if he falls asleep46 is he deemed unclean but if he does not fall
asleep he remains clean, while according to your view there is the
possibility that he might discharge a drop of blood of the size of a mustard
seed and this would be absorbed in the bag'.47

A Tanna taught: It was stated in the name of R. Eleazar, The imbecile is to
be provided with a metal bag. Abaye explained: It must be one of copper, as
we have learnt:48 R. Judah ruled, Those buds of hyssop49 are regarded50
as if they had been made of copper.51

R. Papa remarked: From this52 it may be inferred that breeches53 are
forbidden. But is it not written in Scripture, And thou shalt make them
linen breeches to cover the flesh of their nakedness?54 - That may be
explained as it was taught: To what were the breeches of the priests like?
They were like the knee breeches of horsemen, reaching upwards to the loins
and downwards to the thighs. They also had laces but had no padding either
back or front.55

Abaye stated:

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Original footnotes renumbered. See Structure of the Talmud Files
1.. In the direction of the body.
2.. Cf. Tosaf.
3.. Rab.
4.. Who indulges in the reprehensible practice.
5.. The practice, therefore, could only be condemned but not forbidden.
6.. Lit.,'tells him: Do so'.
7.. Lit., 'and on the morrow'.
8.. MS.M., 'Assi'.
9.. Gen. XXXVIII, 10.
10.. Ps. V, 5. analogy between the two expressions of 'evil'. Alfasi
(Shab. XIV) inserts, 'R. Eleazar said, What is meant by evil shall not
sojourn with thee? The evil (minded) man shall not sojourn in Thy dwelling'.
11.. So MS.M. and BaH. Cur. edd. and Alfasi, 'and R.'
12.. Lit., 'what'.
13.. Isa. I, 15.
14.. Ex. XX, 13.
15.. V. Yeb. 47b.
16.. Who apparently commit no crime at all.
17.. They are; while here they are merely described as delaying the advent
of the Messiah.
18.. Lit., 'by way of limbs'.
19.. Var. lec. 'Assi' (Yeb. 62a) 'Joseph' (MS.M.).
20.. The Messiah.
21.. Lit., 'Body', the region inhabited by the souls of the unborn.
22.. Isa. LVII, 16.
23.. In the expression of 'OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF'.
24.. Though the same expression (cf. prev. n.) was used. Sanh. 58b.
25.. Cur. edd. in parenthesis, 'If a thorn stuck in his belly should he
not remove it? He said to them: No'.
26.. Gehenna.
27.. In the expression of 'OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF.
28.. So that R. Tarfon's statement is to be taken literally.
29.. The 'cutting off' being a mere figure of speech.
30.. By the thorn.
31.. I.e., deaf-mute (v. Gemara infra).
32.. Lit., 'whose mind was deranged'.
33.. Lit., 'they have'.
34.. Lit., 'they prepare them', i.e., make the necessary examination and
supervise the prescribed ritual immersion.
35.. Lit., 'it was not enough'.
36.. Who was an authority on the subject, in order to obtain her opinion
on the colour whether it was that of clean or of unclean blood.
37.. Lit., 'in every place'.
38.. Hag. 2b.
39.. It is a spurious addition.
40.. Apparently it is; why then the repetition?
41.. Which is forbidden to an unclean priest.
42.. Since after due immersion one attains to cleanness at nightfall.
43.. In his sleep under his bedclothes heat might be engendered and this
would cause him to emit semen which would render him unclean and, therefore,
unfit to eat terumah.
44.. Cf. prev. n.
45.. Which can be examined for traces of semen before any terumah is given
to him.
46.. After immersion and after nightfall.
47.. Tosef. Nid. II. As it would thus be lost to sight the priest would be
regarded as clean and terumah would, as a result, be eaten by one who is in
fact unclean; and consequently an offence that is punishable by death (at
the hand of God) would unconsciously be committed.
48.. MS.M. and marg. n. Cur. edd., 'as it was taught'.
49.. Used in connection with the water of purification.
50.. When the water is measured to ascertain whether it contained
sufficient for a sprinkling (cf. supra 9a).
51.. Parah Xli, 5. Sc. as if they did not absorb any water at all; from
which it follows, in support of Abaye's explanation, that copper is a
non-absorbent.
52.. The prohibition of a bag supra on account of the heat it engenders.
53.. Such as engender heat, v. infra.
54.. Ex. XXVIII, 42.
55.. Hanging loosely round the organ the breeches could engender no heat.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 9:48 pm
From: "Jim E"

"serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Typical muzzy slime.

Adicted to sexual deviance above all else.
alex , you are way to old for these fantasies.

Jim E
>

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 12:39 am
From: "serwad"

Niddah 13b
but from the corona upwards1 it is forbidden.
Rab stated: 'A man who wilfully causes erection should be placed2 under the
ban'. But why did he3 not say, 'This is forbidden'? Because the man4
merely incites his evil inclination against himself.5 R. Ammi, however,
stated: He4 is called a renegade, because such is the art of the evil
inclination: To-day it incites man to do one wrong thing,6 and to-morrow7
it incites him to worship idols and he proceeds to worship them.

There are others who read: R. Ammi8 stated, He who excites himself by
lustful thoughts will not be allowed to enter the division of the Holy One,
blessed be He. For here it is written, Was evil in the sight of the Lord,9
and elsewhere it is written, For Thou art not a God that hath pleasure in
wickedness; evil shall not sojourn with Thee.10

R.11 Eleazar stated: Who are referred to12 in the Scriptural text, Your
hands are full of blood?13 Those that commit masturbation with their hands.

It was taught at the school of R. Ishmael, Thou shalt not commit adultery14
implies, Thou shalt not practise masturbation either with hand or with foot.

Our Rabbis taught: 'proselytes and those that play with children delay the
advent of the Messiah'. The statement about proselytes may be understood on
the lines of the view of R. Helbo, for R. Helbo said, 'proselytes are as
hard for Israel to endure as a sore',15 what, however, could be meant by
'those that play with children'?16 If it be suggested: Those that practise
pederasty [it could well be objected]: Are not such people subject to
stoning?17 If, however, it be suggested: Those that practise onanism
through external contact18 [it could be objected]: Are not such deserving
destruction by flood?17 - The meaning rather is: Those that marry minors
who are not capable of bearing children, for R. Jose19 stated: The Son of
David20 will not come before all the souls in Guf21 will have been
disposed of, since it is said, For the spirit that enwrappeth itself is from
Me, and the souls which I have made.22

BUT IN THE CASE OF MEN IT OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF. The question was raised: Have
we here23 learnt a law or merely an execration? 'Have we here learnt a law'
as in the case where R. Huna cut off one's hand;24 'or merely an
execration'? - Come and hear what was taught: R. Tarfon said, 'If his hand
touched the membrum let his hand be cut off upon his belly'. 'But', they
said to him,25 'would not his belly be split'? 'It is preferable', he
replied, 'that his belly shall be split rather than that he should go down
into the pit of destruction'.26 Now if you concede that we have here27
learnt a law28 one can well understand why they said, 'Would not his belly
be split'; but if you maintain that we have only learnt of an execration,29
what could be meant by [the question] 'His belly be split'? - What then
would you suggest, that we have learnt here a law, would it not suffice, [it
may be objected, that the cutting off shall] not be done on his belly? - The
fact, however, is that it was this that R. Tarfon meant: Whosoever puts his
hand below his belly that hand shall be cut off. They said to R. Tarfon, 'If
a thorn stuck in his belly, should he not remove it'? 'No', he replied. 'But
[they said] would not his belly be split'?30 'It is preferable', he
replied, 'that his belly shall be split rather than that he should go down
to the pit of destruction'.26

MISHNAH. IN THE CASE OF A DEAF,31 AN IMBECILE, A BLIND OR AN INSANE32
WOMAN, IF OTHER WOMEN OF SOUND SENSES ARE AVAILABLE33 THEY ATTEND TO HER,34
AND SHE MAY THEN EAT TERUMAH.

GEMARA. Why should not a DEAF woman make her own examination, seeing that it
was taught: Rabbi stated, A deaf woman was living in our neighbourhood and
not only35 did she examine herself but her friends also on observing a
discharge would show it to her?36 - There it was a woman who could speak
but not hear while here the reference is to one who can neither speak nor
hear; as we have learnt: The deaf person of whom the Sages spoke is always37
one who can neither hear nor speak.38

A BLIND. Why should she not make her own examination and show the
testing-rag to her friend? - R. Jose son of R. Hanina replied: The 'blind'
is no part of the Mishnah.39

OR AN INSANE WOMAN. Is not this exactly the same as IMBECILE?40 This refers
to one whose mind was deranged owing to a disease.

Our Rabbis taught: A priest who is an imbecile may be ritually immersed and
then fed with terumah41 in the evening.42 He must also be watched that he
does not fall asleep.43 If he falls asleep he is deemed unclean44 and if
he does not fall asleep he remains clean. R. Eliezer son of R. Zadok ruled:
He should be provided with a leather bag.45 The Rabbis said to him: 'Would
not this cause heat all the more'? 'According to your view', he replied,
'should an imbecile have no remedy'? 'According to our view', they retorted,
'only if he falls asleep46 is he deemed unclean but if he does not fall
asleep he remains clean, while according to your view there is the
possibility that he might discharge a drop of blood of the size of a mustard
seed and this would be absorbed in the bag'.47

A Tanna taught: It was stated in the name of R. Eleazar, The imbecile is to
be provided with a metal bag. Abaye explained: It must be one of copper, as
we have learnt:48 R. Judah ruled, Those buds of hyssop49 are regarded50
as if they had been made of copper.51

R. Papa remarked: From this52 it may be inferred that breeches53 are
forbidden. But is it not written in Scripture, And thou shalt make them
linen breeches to cover the flesh of their nakedness?54 - That may be
explained as it was taught: To what were the breeches of the priests like?
They were like the knee breeches of horsemen, reaching upwards to the loins
and downwards to the thighs. They also had laces but had no padding either
back or front.55

Abaye stated:

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--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Original footnotes renumbered. See Structure of the Talmud Files
1.. In the direction of the body.
2.. Cf. Tosaf.
3.. Rab.
4.. Who indulges in the reprehensible practice.
5.. The practice, therefore, could only be condemned but not forbidden.
6.. Lit.,'tells him: Do so'.
7.. Lit., 'and on the morrow'.
8.. MS.M., 'Assi'.
9.. Gen. XXXVIII, 10.
10.. Ps. V, 5. analogy between the two expressions of 'evil'. Alfasi
(Shab. XIV) inserts, 'R. Eleazar said, What is meant by evil shall not
sojourn with thee? The evil (minded) man shall not sojourn in Thy dwelling'.
11.. So MS.M. and BaH. Cur. edd. and Alfasi, 'and R.'
12.. Lit., 'what'.
13.. Isa. I, 15.
14.. Ex. XX, 13.
15.. V. Yeb. 47b.
16.. Who apparently commit no crime at all.
17.. They are; while here they are merely described as delaying the advent
of the Messiah.
18.. Lit., 'by way of limbs'.
19.. Var. lec. 'Assi' (Yeb. 62a) 'Joseph' (MS.M.).
20.. The Messiah.
21.. Lit., 'Body', the region inhabited by the souls of the unborn.
22.. Isa. LVII, 16.
23.. In the expression of 'OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF'.
24.. Though the same expression (cf. prev. n.) was used. Sanh. 58b.
25.. Cur. edd. in parenthesis, 'If a thorn stuck in his belly should he
not remove it? He said to them: No'.
26.. Gehenna.
27.. In the expression of 'OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF.
28.. So that R. Tarfon's statement is to be taken literally.
29.. The 'cutting off' being a mere figure of speech.
30.. By the thorn.
31.. I.e., deaf-mute (v. Gemara infra).
32.. Lit., 'whose mind was deranged'.
33.. Lit., 'they have'.
34.. Lit., 'they prepare them', i.e., make the necessary examination and
supervise the prescribed ritual immersion.
35.. Lit., 'it was not enough'.
36.. Who was an authority on the subject, in order to obtain her opinion
on the colour whether it was that of clean or of unclean blood.
37.. Lit., 'in every place'.
38.. Hag. 2b.
39.. It is a spurious addition.
40.. Apparently it is; why then the repetition?
41.. Which is forbidden to an unclean priest.
42.. Since after due immersion one attains to cleanness at nightfall.
43.. In his sleep under his bedclothes heat might be engendered and this
would cause him to emit semen which would render him unclean and, therefore,
unfit to eat terumah.
44.. Cf. prev. n.
45.. Which can be examined for traces of semen before any terumah is given
to him.
46.. After immersion and after nightfall.
47.. Tosef. Nid. II. As it would thus be lost to sight the priest would be
regarded as clean and terumah would, as a result, be eaten by one who is in
fact unclean; and consequently an offence that is punishable by death (at
the hand of God) would unconsciously be committed.
48.. MS.M. and marg. n. Cur. edd., 'as it was taught'.
49.. Used in connection with the water of purification.
50.. When the water is measured to ascertain whether it contained
sufficient for a sprinkling (cf. supra 9a).
51.. Parah Xli, 5. Sc. as if they did not absorb any water at all; from
which it follows, in support of Abaye's explanation, that copper is a
non-absorbent.
52.. The prohibition of a bag supra on account of the heat it engenders.
53.. Such as engender heat, v. infra.
54.. Ex. XXVIII, 42.
55.. Hanging loosely round the organ the breeches could engender no heat.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 9:49 pm
From: "Ariadne"

serwad wrote:

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TOPIC: talmud: masturbate on holohoax
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f2923bad9ecde52
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 12:41 am
From: "serwad"

Niddah 13b
but from the corona upwards1 it is forbidden.
Rab stated: 'A man who wilfully causes erection should be placed2 under the
ban'. But why did he3 not say, 'This is forbidden'? Because the man4
merely incites his evil inclination against himself.5 R. Ammi, however,
stated: He4 is called a renegade, because such is the art of the evil
inclination: To-day it incites man to do one wrong thing,6 and to-morrow7
it incites him to worship idols and he proceeds to worship them.

There are others who read: R. Ammi8 stated, He who excites himself by
lustful thoughts will not be allowed to enter the division of the Holy One,
blessed be He. For here it is written, Was evil in the sight of the Lord,9
and elsewhere it is written, For Thou art not a God that hath pleasure in
wickedness; evil shall not sojourn with Thee.10

R.11 Eleazar stated: Who are referred to12 in the Scriptural text, Your
hands are full of blood?13 Those that commit masturbation with their hands.

It was taught at the school of R. Ishmael, Thou shalt not commit adultery14
implies, Thou shalt not practise masturbation either with hand or with foot.

Our Rabbis taught: 'proselytes and those that play with children delay the
advent of the Messiah'. The statement about proselytes may be understood on
the lines of the view of R. Helbo, for R. Helbo said, 'proselytes are as
hard for Israel to endure as a sore',15 what, however, could be meant by
'those that play with children'?16 If it be suggested: Those that practise
pederasty [it could well be objected]: Are not such people subject to
stoning?17 If, however, it be suggested: Those that practise onanism
through external contact18 [it could be objected]: Are not such deserving
destruction by flood?17 - The meaning rather is: Those that marry minors
who are not capable of bearing children, for R. Jose19 stated: The Son of
David20 will not come before all the souls in Guf21 will have been
disposed of, since it is said, For the spirit that enwrappeth itself is from
Me, and the souls which I have made.22

BUT IN THE CASE OF MEN IT OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF. The question was raised: Have
we here23 learnt a law or merely an execration? 'Have we here learnt a law'
as in the case where R. Huna cut off one's hand;24 'or merely an
execration'? - Come and hear what was taught: R. Tarfon said, 'If his hand
touched the membrum let his hand be cut off upon his belly'. 'But', they
said to him,25 'would not his belly be split'? 'It is preferable', he
replied, 'that his belly shall be split rather than that he should go down
into the pit of destruction'.26 Now if you concede that we have here27
learnt a law28 one can well understand why they said, 'Would not his belly
be split'; but if you maintain that we have only learnt of an execration,29
what could be meant by [the question] 'His belly be split'? - What then
would you suggest, that we have learnt here a law, would it not suffice, [it
may be objected, that the cutting off shall] not be done on his belly? - The
fact, however, is that it was this that R. Tarfon meant: Whosoever puts his
hand below his belly that hand shall be cut off. They said to R. Tarfon, 'If
a thorn stuck in his belly, should he not remove it'? 'No', he replied. 'But
[they said] would not his belly be split'?30 'It is preferable', he
replied, 'that his belly shall be split rather than that he should go down
to the pit of destruction'.26

MISHNAH. IN THE CASE OF A DEAF,31 AN IMBECILE, A BLIND OR AN INSANE32
WOMAN, IF OTHER WOMEN OF SOUND SENSES ARE AVAILABLE33 THEY ATTEND TO HER,34
AND SHE MAY THEN EAT TERUMAH.

GEMARA. Why should not a DEAF woman make her own examination, seeing that it
was taught: Rabbi stated, A deaf woman was living in our neighbourhood and
not only35 did she examine herself but her friends also on observing a
discharge would show it to her?36 - There it was a woman who could speak
but not hear while here the reference is to one who can neither speak nor
hear; as we have learnt: The deaf person of whom the Sages spoke is always37
one who can neither hear nor speak.38

A BLIND. Why should she not make her own examination and show the
testing-rag to her friend? - R. Jose son of R. Hanina replied: The 'blind'
is no part of the Mishnah.39

OR AN INSANE WOMAN. Is not this exactly the same as IMBECILE?40 This refers
to one whose mind was deranged owing to a disease.

Our Rabbis taught: A priest who is an imbecile may be ritually immersed and
then fed with terumah41 in the evening.42 He must also be watched that he
does not fall asleep.43 If he falls asleep he is deemed unclean44 and if
he does not fall asleep he remains clean. R. Eliezer son of R. Zadok ruled:
He should be provided with a leather bag.45 The Rabbis said to him: 'Would
not this cause heat all the more'? 'According to your view', he replied,
'should an imbecile have no remedy'? 'According to our view', they retorted,
'only if he falls asleep46 is he deemed unclean but if he does not fall
asleep he remains clean, while according to your view there is the
possibility that he might discharge a drop of blood of the size of a mustard
seed and this would be absorbed in the bag'.47

A Tanna taught: It was stated in the name of R. Eleazar, The imbecile is to
be provided with a metal bag. Abaye explained: It must be one of copper, as
we have learnt:48 R. Judah ruled, Those buds of hyssop49 are regarded50
as if they had been made of copper.51

R. Papa remarked: From this52 it may be inferred that breeches53 are
forbidden. But is it not written in Scripture, And thou shalt make them
linen breeches to cover the flesh of their nakedness?54 - That may be
explained as it was taught: To what were the breeches of the priests like?
They were like the knee breeches of horsemen, reaching upwards to the loins
and downwards to the thighs. They also had laces but had no padding either
back or front.55

Abaye stated:

- To Next Folio -

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Original footnotes renumbered. See Structure of the Talmud Files
1.. In the direction of the body.
2.. Cf. Tosaf.
3.. Rab.
4.. Who indulges in the reprehensible practice.
5.. The practice, therefore, could only be condemned but not forbidden.
6.. Lit.,'tells him: Do so'.
7.. Lit., 'and on the morrow'.
8.. MS.M., 'Assi'.
9.. Gen. XXXVIII, 10.
10.. Ps. V, 5. analogy between the two expressions of 'evil'. Alfasi
(Shab. XIV) inserts, 'R. Eleazar said, What is meant by evil shall not
sojourn with thee? The evil (minded) man shall not sojourn in Thy dwelling'.
11.. So MS.M. and BaH. Cur. edd. and Alfasi, 'and R.'
12.. Lit., 'what'.
13.. Isa. I, 15.
14.. Ex. XX, 13.
15.. V. Yeb. 47b.
16.. Who apparently commit no crime at all.
17.. They are; while here they are merely described as delaying the advent
of the Messiah.
18.. Lit., 'by way of limbs'.
19.. Var. lec. 'Assi' (Yeb. 62a) 'Joseph' (MS.M.).
20.. The Messiah.
21.. Lit., 'Body', the region inhabited by the souls of the unborn.
22.. Isa. LVII, 16.
23.. In the expression of 'OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF'.
24.. Though the same expression (cf. prev. n.) was used. Sanh. 58b.
25.. Cur. edd. in parenthesis, 'If a thorn stuck in his belly should he
not remove it? He said to them: No'.
26.. Gehenna.
27.. In the expression of 'OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF.
28.. So that R. Tarfon's statement is to be taken literally.
29.. The 'cutting off' being a mere figure of speech.
30.. By the thorn.
31.. I.e., deaf-mute (v. Gemara infra).
32.. Lit., 'whose mind was deranged'.
33.. Lit., 'they have'.
34.. Lit., 'they prepare them', i.e., make the necessary examination and
supervise the prescribed ritual immersion.
35.. Lit., 'it was not enough'.
36.. Who was an authority on the subject, in order to obtain her opinion
on the colour whether it was that of clean or of unclean blood.
37.. Lit., 'in every place'.
38.. Hag. 2b.
39.. It is a spurious addition.
40.. Apparently it is; why then the repetition?
41.. Which is forbidden to an unclean priest.
42.. Since after due immersion one attains to cleanness at nightfall.
43.. In his sleep under his bedclothes heat might be engendered and this
would cause him to emit semen which would render him unclean and, therefore,
unfit to eat terumah.
44.. Cf. prev. n.
45.. Which can be examined for traces of semen before any terumah is given
to him.
46.. After immersion and after nightfall.
47.. Tosef. Nid. II. As it would thus be lost to sight the priest would be
regarded as clean and terumah would, as a result, be eaten by one who is in
fact unclean; and consequently an offence that is punishable by death (at
the hand of God) would unconsciously be committed.
48.. MS.M. and marg. n. Cur. edd., 'as it was taught'.
49.. Used in connection with the water of purification.
50.. When the water is measured to ascertain whether it contained
sufficient for a sprinkling (cf. supra 9a).
51.. Parah Xli, 5. Sc. as if they did not absorb any water at all; from
which it follows, in support of Abaye's explanation, that copper is a
non-absorbent.
52.. The prohibition of a bag supra on account of the heat it engenders.
53.. Such as engender heat, v. infra.
54.. Ex. XXVIII, 42.
55.. Hanging loosely round the organ the breeches could engender no heat.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 9:45 pm
From: "Ariadne"

serwad wrote:

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TOPIC: WITH FRIENDS LIKE KIKES, AMERICA NEEDS NO ENEMIES!
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 2:40 pm
From: "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com>

"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
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> jsp722@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> CHA nging his oil
>
> You're still confused about the pronunciation of "Yochai"...

Whereas you're totally confused, clog wog.

>
> --
> Hamas motto: &#1604;&#1575; &#1573;&#1604;&#1607; &#1604;&#1607;&#1605;
> &#1573;&#1604;&#1575; &#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1608;&#1578;&#1548;
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> &#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1608;&#1578; (The death-worshipping cult)
> Murderers are not martyrs! http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Apr 7 2006 2:41 pm
From: "Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com>

"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
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> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
>>news:4435D48A.9D4F26DA@io.com...
>
>>> You're confused about the pronunciation of "Yochai"!
>
>> ASK MOOSE, HE KNOWS KIKE LINGUO!
>
> Yep, I have some knowledge of French, Latin, Hebrew, and Arabic --

And none of honesty nor common sense.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 9:43 pm
From: "serwad"

Niddah 13b
but from the corona upwards1 it is forbidden.
Rab stated: 'A man who wilfully causes erection should be placed2 under the
ban'. But why did he3 not say, 'This is forbidden'? Because the man4
merely incites his evil inclination against himself.5 R. Ammi, however,
stated: He4 is called a renegade, because such is the art of the evil
inclination: To-day it incites man to do one wrong thing,6 and to-morrow7
it incites him to worship idols and he proceeds to worship them.

There are others who read: R. Ammi8 stated, He who excites himself by
lustful thoughts will not be allowed to enter the division of the Holy One,
blessed be He. For here it is written, Was evil in the sight of the Lord,9
and elsewhere it is written, For Thou art not a God that hath pleasure in
wickedness; evil shall not sojourn with Thee.10

R.11 Eleazar stated: Who are referred to12 in the Scriptural text, Your
hands are full of blood?13 Those that commit masturbation with their hands.

It was taught at the school of R. Ishmael, Thou shalt not commit adultery14
implies, Thou shalt not practise masturbation either with hand or with foot.

Our Rabbis taught: 'proselytes and those that play with children delay the
advent of the Messiah'. The statement about proselytes may be understood on
the lines of the view of R. Helbo, for R. Helbo said, 'proselytes are as
hard for Israel to endure as a sore',15 what, however, could be meant by
'those that play with children'?16 If it be suggested: Those that practise
pederasty [it could well be objected]: Are not such people subject to
stoning?17 If, however, it be suggested: Those that practise onanism
through external contact18 [it could be objected]: Are not such deserving
destruction by flood?17 - The meaning rather is: Those that marry minors
who are not capable of bearing children, for R. Jose19 stated: The Son of
David20 will not come before all the souls in Guf21 will have been
disposed of, since it is said, For the spirit that enwrappeth itself is from
Me, and the souls which I have made.22

BUT IN THE CASE OF MEN IT OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF. The question was raised: Have
we here23 learnt a law or merely an execration? 'Have we here learnt a law'
as in the case where R. Huna cut off one's hand;24 'or merely an
execration'? - Come and hear what was taught: R. Tarfon said, 'If his hand
touched the membrum let his hand be cut off upon his belly'. 'But', they
said to him,25 'would not his belly be split'? 'It is preferable', he
replied, 'that his belly shall be split rather than that he should go down
into the pit of destruction'.26 Now if you concede that we have here27
learnt a law28 one can well understand why they said, 'Would not his belly
be split'; but if you maintain that we have only learnt of an execration,29
what could be meant by [the question] 'His belly be split'? - What then
would you suggest, that we have learnt here a law, would it not suffice, [it
may be objected, that the cutting off shall] not be done on his belly? - The
fact, however, is that it was this that R. Tarfon meant: Whosoever puts his
hand below his belly that hand shall be cut off. They said to R. Tarfon, 'If
a thorn stuck in his belly, should he not remove it'? 'No', he replied. 'But
[they said] would not his belly be split'?30 'It is preferable', he
replied, 'that his belly shall be split rather than that he should go down
to the pit of destruction'.26

MISHNAH. IN THE CASE OF A DEAF,31 AN IMBECILE, A BLIND OR AN INSANE32
WOMAN, IF OTHER WOMEN OF SOUND SENSES ARE AVAILABLE33 THEY ATTEND TO HER,34
AND SHE MAY THEN EAT TERUMAH.

GEMARA. Why should not a DEAF woman make her own examination, seeing that it
was taught: Rabbi stated, A deaf woman was living in our neighbourhood and
not only35 did she examine herself but her friends also on observing a
discharge would show it to her?36 - There it was a woman who could speak
but not hear while here the reference is to one who can neither speak nor
hear; as we have learnt: The deaf person of whom the Sages spoke is always37
one who can neither hear nor speak.38

A BLIND. Why should she not make her own examination and show the
testing-rag to her friend? - R. Jose son of R. Hanina replied: The 'blind'
is no part of the Mishnah.39

OR AN INSANE WOMAN. Is not this exactly the same as IMBECILE?40 This refers
to one whose mind was deranged owing to a disease.

Our Rabbis taught: A priest who is an imbecile may be ritually immersed and
then fed with terumah41 in the evening.42 He must also be watched that he
does not fall asleep.43 If he falls asleep he is deemed unclean44 and if
he does not fall asleep he remains clean. R. Eliezer son of R. Zadok ruled:
He should be provided with a leather bag.45 The Rabbis said to him: 'Would
not this cause heat all the more'? 'According to your view', he replied,
'should an imbecile have no remedy'? 'According to our view', they retorted,
'only if he falls asleep46 is he deemed unclean but if he does not fall
asleep he remains clean, while according to your view there is the
possibility that he might discharge a drop of blood of the size of a mustard
seed and this would be absorbed in the bag'.47

A Tanna taught: It was stated in the name of R. Eleazar, The imbecile is to
be provided with a metal bag. Abaye explained: It must be one of copper, as
we have learnt:48 R. Judah ruled, Those buds of hyssop49 are regarded50
as if they had been made of copper.51

R. Papa remarked: From this52 it may be inferred that breeches53 are
forbidden. But is it not written in Scripture, And thou shalt make them
linen breeches to cover the flesh of their nakedness?54 - That may be
explained as it was taught: To what were the breeches of the priests like?
They were like the knee breeches of horsemen, reaching upwards to the loins
and downwards to the thighs. They also had laces but had no padding either
back or front.55

Abaye stated:

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Original footnotes renumbered. See Structure of the Talmud Files
1.. In the direction of the body.
2.. Cf. Tosaf.
3.. Rab.
4.. Who indulges in the reprehensible practice.
5.. The practice, therefore, could only be condemned but not forbidden.
6.. Lit.,'tells him: Do so'.
7.. Lit., 'and on the morrow'.
8.. MS.M., 'Assi'.
9.. Gen. XXXVIII, 10.
10.. Ps. V, 5. analogy between the two expressions of 'evil'. Alfasi
(Shab. XIV) inserts, 'R. Eleazar said, What is meant by evil shall not
sojourn with thee? The evil (minded) man shall not sojourn in Thy dwelling'.
11.. So MS.M. and BaH. Cur. edd. and Alfasi, 'and R.'
12.. Lit., 'what'.
13.. Isa. I, 15.
14.. Ex. XX, 13.
15.. V. Yeb. 47b.
16.. Who apparently commit no crime at all.
17.. They are; while here they are merely described as delaying the advent
of the Messiah.
18.. Lit., 'by way of limbs'.
19.. Var. lec. 'Assi' (Yeb. 62a) 'Joseph' (MS.M.).
20.. The Messiah.
21.. Lit., 'Body', the region inhabited by the souls of the unborn.
22.. Isa. LVII, 16.
23.. In the expression of 'OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF'.
24.. Though the same expression (cf. prev. n.) was used. Sanh. 58b.
25.. Cur. edd. in parenthesis, 'If a thorn stuck in his belly should he
not remove it? He said to them: No'.
26.. Gehenna.
27.. In the expression of 'OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF.
28.. So that R. Tarfon's statement is to be taken literally.
29.. The 'cutting off' being a mere figure of speech.
30.. By the thorn.
31.. I.e., deaf-mute (v. Gemara infra).
32.. Lit., 'whose mind was deranged'.
33.. Lit., 'they have'.
34.. Lit., 'they prepare them', i.e., make the necessary examination and
supervise the prescribed ritual immersion.
35.. Lit., 'it was not enough'.
36.. Who was an authority on the subject, in order to obtain her opinion
on the colour whether it was that of clean or of unclean blood.
37.. Lit., 'in every place'.
38.. Hag. 2b.
39.. It is a spurious addition.
40.. Apparently it is; why then the repetition?
41.. Which is forbidden to an unclean priest.
42.. Since after due immersion one attains to cleanness at nightfall.
43.. In his sleep under his bedclothes heat might be engendered and this
would cause him to emit semen which would render him unclean and, therefore,
unfit to eat terumah.
44.. Cf. prev. n.
45.. Which can be examined for traces of semen before any terumah is given
to him.
46.. After immersion and after nightfall.
47.. Tosef. Nid. II. As it would thus be lost to sight the priest would be
regarded as clean and terumah would, as a result, be eaten by one who is in
fact unclean; and consequently an offence that is punishable by death (at
the hand of God) would unconsciously be committed.
48.. MS.M. and marg. n. Cur. edd., 'as it was taught'.
49.. Used in connection with the water of purification.
50.. When the water is measured to ascertain whether it contained
sufficient for a sprinkling (cf. supra 9a).
51.. Parah Xli, 5. Sc. as if they did not absorb any water at all; from
which it follows, in support of Abaye's explanation, that copper is a
non-absorbent.
52.. The prohibition of a bag supra on account of the heat it engenders.
53.. Such as engender heat, v. infra.
54.. Ex. XXVIII, 42.
55.. Hanging loosely round the organ the breeches could engender no heat.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 9:47 pm
From: "Ariadne"

serwad wrote:

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 9:45 pm
From: "serwad"

Niddah 13b
but from the corona upwards1 it is forbidden.
Rab stated: 'A man who wilfully causes erection should be placed2 under the
ban'. But why did he3 not say, 'This is forbidden'? Because the man4
merely incites his evil inclination against himself.5 R. Ammi, however,
stated: He4 is called a renegade, because such is the art of the evil
inclination: To-day it incites man to do one wrong thing,6 and to-morrow7
it incites him to worship idols and he proceeds to worship them.

There are others who read: R. Ammi8 stated, He who excites himself by
lustful thoughts will not be allowed to enter the division of the Holy One,
blessed be He. For here it is written, Was evil in the sight of the Lord,9
and elsewhere it is written, For Thou art not a God that hath pleasure in
wickedness; evil shall not sojourn with Thee.10

R.11 Eleazar stated: Who are referred to12 in the Scriptural text, Your
hands are full of blood?13 Those that commit masturbation with their hands.

It was taught at the school of R. Ishmael, Thou shalt not commit adultery14
implies, Thou shalt not practise masturbation either with hand or with foot.

Our Rabbis taught: 'proselytes and those that play with children delay the
advent of the Messiah'. The statement about proselytes may be understood on
the lines of the view of R. Helbo, for R. Helbo said, 'proselytes are as
hard for Israel to endure as a sore',15 what, however, could be meant by
'those that play with children'?16 If it be suggested: Those that practise
pederasty [it could well be objected]: Are not such people subject to
stoning?17 If, however, it be suggested: Those that practise onanism
through external contact18 [it could be objected]: Are not such deserving
destruction by flood?17 - The meaning rather is: Those that marry minors
who are not capable of bearing children, for R. Jose19 stated: The Son of
David20 will not come before all the souls in Guf21 will have been
disposed of, since it is said, For the spirit that enwrappeth itself is from
Me, and the souls which I have made.22

BUT IN THE CASE OF MEN IT OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF. The question was raised: Have
we here23 learnt a law or merely an execration? 'Have we here learnt a law'
as in the case where R. Huna cut off one's hand;24 'or merely an
execration'? - Come and hear what was taught: R. Tarfon said, 'If his hand
touched the membrum let his hand be cut off upon his belly'. 'But', they
said to him,25 'would not his belly be split'? 'It is preferable', he
replied, 'that his belly shall be split rather than that he should go down
into the pit of destruction'.26 Now if you concede that we have here27
learnt a law28 one can well understand why they said, 'Would not his belly
be split'; but if you maintain that we have only learnt of an execration,29
what could be meant by [the question] 'His belly be split'? - What then
would you suggest, that we have learnt here a law, would it not suffice, [it
may be objected, that the cutting off shall] not be done on his belly? - The
fact, however, is that it was this that R. Tarfon meant: Whosoever puts his
hand below his belly that hand shall be cut off. They said to R. Tarfon, 'If
a thorn stuck in his belly, should he not remove it'? 'No', he replied. 'But
[they said] would not his belly be split'?30 'It is preferable', he
replied, 'that his belly shall be split rather than that he should go down
to the pit of destruction'.26

MISHNAH. IN THE CASE OF A DEAF,31 AN IMBECILE, A BLIND OR AN INSANE32
WOMAN, IF OTHER WOMEN OF SOUND SENSES ARE AVAILABLE33 THEY ATTEND TO HER,34
AND SHE MAY THEN EAT TERUMAH.

GEMARA. Why should not a DEAF woman make her own examination, seeing that it
was taught: Rabbi stated, A deaf woman was living in our neighbourhood and
not only35 did she examine herself but her friends also on observing a
discharge would show it to her?36 - There it was a woman who could speak
but not hear while here the reference is to one who can neither speak nor
hear; as we have learnt: The deaf person of whom the Sages spoke is always37
one who can neither hear nor speak.38

A BLIND. Why should she not make her own examination and show the
testing-rag to her friend? - R. Jose son of R. Hanina replied: The 'blind'
is no part of the Mishnah.39

OR AN INSANE WOMAN. Is not this exactly the same as IMBECILE?40 This refers
to one whose mind was deranged owing to a disease.

Our Rabbis taught: A priest who is an imbecile may be ritually immersed and
then fed with terumah41 in the evening.42 He must also be watched that he
does not fall asleep.43 If he falls asleep he is deemed unclean44 and if
he does not fall asleep he remains clean. R. Eliezer son of R. Zadok ruled:
He should be provided with a leather bag.45 The Rabbis said to him: 'Would
not this cause heat all the more'? 'According to your view', he replied,
'should an imbecile have no remedy'? 'According to our view', they retorted,
'only if he falls asleep46 is he deemed unclean but if he does not fall
asleep he remains clean, while according to your view there is the
possibility that he might discharge a drop of blood of the size of a mustard
seed and this would be absorbed in the bag'.47

A Tanna taught: It was stated in the name of R. Eleazar, The imbecile is to
be provided with a metal bag. Abaye explained: It must be one of copper, as
we have learnt:48 R. Judah ruled, Those buds of hyssop49 are regarded50
as if they had been made of copper.51

R. Papa remarked: From this52 it may be inferred that breeches53 are
forbidden. But is it not written in Scripture, And thou shalt make them
linen breeches to cover the flesh of their nakedness?54 - That may be
explained as it was taught: To what were the breeches of the priests like?
They were like the knee breeches of horsemen, reaching upwards to the loins
and downwards to the thighs. They also had laces but had no padding either
back or front.55

Abaye stated:

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Original footnotes renumbered. See Structure of the Talmud Files
1.. In the direction of the body.
2.. Cf. Tosaf.
3.. Rab.
4.. Who indulges in the reprehensible practice.
5.. The practice, therefore, could only be condemned but not forbidden.
6.. Lit.,'tells him: Do so'.
7.. Lit., 'and on the morrow'.
8.. MS.M., 'Assi'.
9.. Gen. XXXVIII, 10.
10.. Ps. V, 5. analogy between the two expressions of 'evil'. Alfasi
(Shab. XIV) inserts, 'R. Eleazar said, What is meant by evil shall not
sojourn with thee? The evil (minded) man shall not sojourn in Thy dwelling'.
11.. So MS.M. and BaH. Cur. edd. and Alfasi, 'and R.'
12.. Lit., 'what'.
13.. Isa. I, 15.
14.. Ex. XX, 13.
15.. V. Yeb. 47b.
16.. Who apparently commit no crime at all.
17.. They are; while here they are merely described as delaying the advent
of the Messiah.
18.. Lit., 'by way of limbs'.
19.. Var. lec. 'Assi' (Yeb. 62a) 'Joseph' (MS.M.).
20.. The Messiah.
21.. Lit., 'Body', the region inhabited by the souls of the unborn.
22.. Isa. LVII, 16.
23.. In the expression of 'OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF'.
24.. Though the same expression (cf. prev. n.) was used. Sanh. 58b.
25.. Cur. edd. in parenthesis, 'If a thorn stuck in his belly should he
not remove it? He said to them: No'.
26.. Gehenna.
27.. In the expression of 'OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF.
28.. So that R. Tarfon's statement is to be taken literally.
29.. The 'cutting off' being a mere figure of speech.
30.. By the thorn.
31.. I.e., deaf-mute (v. Gemara infra).
32.. Lit., 'whose mind was deranged'.
33.. Lit., 'they have'.
34.. Lit., 'they prepare them', i.e., make the necessary examination and
supervise the prescribed ritual immersion.
35.. Lit., 'it was not enough'.
36.. Who was an authority on the subject, in order to obtain her opinion
on the colour whether it was that of clean or of unclean blood.
37.. Lit., 'in every place'.
38.. Hag. 2b.
39.. It is a spurious addition.
40.. Apparently it is; why then the repetition?
41.. Which is forbidden to an unclean priest.
42.. Since after due immersion one attains to cleanness at nightfall.
43.. In his sleep under his bedclothes heat might be engendered and this
would cause him to emit semen which would render him unclean and, therefore,
unfit to eat terumah.
44.. Cf. prev. n.
45.. Which can be examined for traces of semen before any terumah is given
to him.
46.. After immersion and after nightfall.
47.. Tosef. Nid. II. As it would thus be lost to sight the priest would be
regarded as clean and terumah would, as a result, be eaten by one who is in
fact unclean; and consequently an offence that is punishable by death (at
the hand of God) would unconsciously be committed.
48.. MS.M. and marg. n. Cur. edd., 'as it was taught'.
49.. Used in connection with the water of purification.
50.. When the water is measured to ascertain whether it contained
sufficient for a sprinkling (cf. supra 9a).
51.. Parah Xli, 5. Sc. as if they did not absorb any water at all; from
which it follows, in support of Abaye's explanation, that copper is a
non-absorbent.
52.. The prohibition of a bag supra on account of the heat it engenders.
53.. Such as engender heat, v. infra.
54.. Ex. XXVIII, 42.
55.. Hanging loosely round the organ the breeches could engender no heat.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 6 2006 9:46 pm
From: "serwad"

MOOSE READ TALMUD:
Niddah 13b
but from the corona upwards1 it is forbidden.
Rab stated: 'A man who wilfully causes erection should be placed2 under the
ban'. But why did he3 not say, 'This is forbidden'? Because the man4
merely incites his evil inclination against himself.5 R. Ammi, however,
stated: He4 is called a renegade, because such is the art of the evil
inclination: To-day it incites man to do one wrong thing,6 and to-morrow7
it incites him to worship idols and he proceeds to worship them.

There are others who read: R. Ammi8 stated, He who excites himself by
lustful thoughts will not be allowed to enter the division of the Holy One,
blessed be He. For here it is written, Was evil in the sight of the Lord,9
and elsewhere it is written, For Thou art not a God that hath pleasure in
wickedness; evil shall not sojourn with Thee.10

R.11 Eleazar stated: Who are referred to12 in the Scriptural text, Your
hands are full of blood?13 Those that commit masturbation with their hands.

It was taught at the school of R. Ishmael, Thou shalt not commit adultery14
implies, Thou shalt not practise masturbation either with hand or with foot.

Our Rabbis taught: 'proselytes and those that play with children delay the
advent of the Messiah'. The statement about proselytes may be understood on
the lines of the view of R. Helbo, for R. Helbo said, 'proselytes are as
hard for Israel to endure as a sore',15 what, however, could be meant by
'those that play with children'?16 If it be suggested: Those that practise
pederasty [it could well be objected]: Are not such people subject to
stoning?17 If, however, it be suggested: Those that practise onanism
through external contact18 [it could be objected]: Are not such deserving
destruction by flood?17 - The meaning rather is: Those that marry minors
who are not capable of bearing children, for R. Jose19 stated: The Son of
David20 will not come before all the souls in Guf21 will have been
disposed of, since it is said, For the spirit that enwrappeth itself is from
Me, and the souls which I have made.22

BUT IN THE CASE OF MEN IT OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF. The question was raised: Have
we here23 learnt a law or merely an execration? 'Have we here learnt a law'
as in the case where R. Huna cut off one's hand;24 'or merely an
execration'? - Come and hear what was taught: R. Tarfon said, 'If his hand
touched the membrum let his hand be cut off upon his belly'. 'But', they
said to him,25 'would not his belly be split'? 'It is preferable', he
replied, 'that his belly shall be split rather than that he should go down
into the pit of destruction'.26 Now if you concede that we have here27
learnt a law28 one can well understand why they said, 'Would not his belly
be split'; but if you maintain that we have only learnt of an execration,29
what could be meant by [the question] 'His belly be split'? - What then
would you suggest, that we have learnt here a law, would it not suffice, [it
may be objected, that the cutting off shall] not be done on his belly? - The
fact, however, is that it was this that R. Tarfon meant: Whosoever puts his
hand below his belly that hand shall be cut off. They said to R. Tarfon, 'If
a thorn stuck in his belly, should he not remove it'? 'No', he replied. 'But
[they said] would not his belly be split'?30 'It is preferable', he
replied, 'that his belly shall be split rather than that he should go down
to the pit of destruction'.26

MISHNAH. IN THE CASE OF A DEAF,31 AN IMBECILE, A BLIND OR AN INSANE32
WOMAN, IF OTHER WOMEN OF SOUND SENSES ARE AVAILABLE33 THEY ATTEND TO HER,34
AND SHE MAY THEN EAT TERUMAH.

GEMARA. Why should not a DEAF woman make her own examination, seeing that it
was taught: Rabbi stated, A deaf woman was living in our neighbourhood and
not only35 did she examine herself but her friends also on observing a
discharge would show it to her?36 - There it was a woman who could speak
but not hear while here the reference is to one who can neither speak nor
hear; as we have learnt: The deaf person of whom the Sages spoke is always37
one who can neither hear nor speak.38

A BLIND. Why should she not make her own examination and show the
testing-rag to her friend? - R. Jose son of R. Hanina replied: The 'blind'
is no part of the Mishnah.39

OR AN INSANE WOMAN. Is not this exactly the same as IMBECILE?40 This refers
to one whose mind was deranged owing to a disease.

Our Rabbis taught: A priest who is an imbecile may be ritually immersed and
then fed with terumah41 in the evening.42 He must also be watched that he
does not fall asleep.43 If he falls asleep he is deemed unclean44 and if
he does not fall asleep he remains clean. R. Eliezer son of R. Zadok ruled:
He should be provided with a leather bag.45 The Rabbis said to him: 'Would
not this cause heat all the more'? 'According to your view', he replied,
'should an imbecile have no remedy'? 'According to our view', they retorted,
'only if he falls asleep46 is he deemed unclean but if he does not fall
asleep he remains clean, while according to your view there is the
possibility that he might discharge a drop of blood of the size of a mustard
seed and this would be absorbed in the bag'.47

A Tanna taught: It was stated in the name of R. Eleazar, The imbecile is to
be provided with a metal bag. Abaye explained: It must be one of copper, as
we have learnt:48 R. Judah ruled, Those buds of hyssop49 are regarded50
as if they had been made of copper.51

R. Papa remarked: From this52 it may be inferred that breeches53 are
forbidden. But is it not written in Scripture, And thou shalt make them
linen breeches to cover the flesh of their nakedness?54 - That may be
explained as it was taught: To what were the breeches of the priests like?
They were like the knee breeches of horsemen, reaching upwards to the loins
and downwards to the thighs. They also had laces but had no padding either
back or front.55

Abaye stated:

- To Next Folio -

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Original footnotes renumbered. See Structure of the Talmud Files
1.. In the direction of the body.
2.. Cf. Tosaf.
3.. Rab.
4.. Who indulges in the reprehensible practice.
5.. The practice, therefore, could only be condemned but not forbidden.
6.. Lit.,'tells him: Do so'.
7.. Lit., 'and on the morrow'.
8.. MS.M., 'Assi'.
9.. Gen. XXXVIII, 10.
10.. Ps. V, 5. analogy between the two expressions of 'evil'. Alfasi
(Shab. XIV) inserts, 'R. Eleazar said, What is meant by evil shall not
sojourn with thee? The evil (minded) man shall not sojourn in Thy dwelling'.
11.. So MS.M. and BaH. Cur. edd. and Alfasi, 'and R.'
12.. Lit., 'what'.
13.. Isa. I, 15.
14.. Ex. XX, 13.
15.. V. Yeb. 47b.
16.. Who apparently commit no crime at all.
17.. They are; while here they are merely described as delaying the advent
of the Messiah.
18.. Lit., 'by way of limbs'.
19.. Var. lec. 'Assi' (Yeb. 62a) 'Joseph' (MS.M.).
20.. The Messiah.
21.. Lit., 'Body', the region inhabited by the souls of the unborn.
22.. Isa. LVII, 16.
23.. In the expression of 'OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF'.
24.. Though the same expression (cf. prev. n.) was used. Sanh. 58b.
25.. Cur. edd. in parenthesis, 'If a thorn stuck in his belly should he
not remove it? He said to them: No'.
26.. Gehenna.
27.. In the expression of 'OUGHT TO BE CUT OFF.
28.. So that R. Tarfon's statement is to be taken literally.
29.. The 'cutting off' being a mere figure of speech.
30.. By the thorn.
31.. I.e., deaf-mute (v. Gemara infra).
32.. Lit., 'whose mind was deranged'.
33.. Lit., 'they have'.
34.. Lit., 'they prepare them', i.e., make the necessary examination and
supervise the prescribed ritual immersion.
35.. Lit., 'it was not enough'.
36.. Who was an authority on the subject, in order to obtain her opinion
on the colour whether it was that of clean or of unclean blood.
37.. Lit., 'in every place'.
38.. Hag. 2b.
39.. It is a spurious addition.
40.. Apparently it is; why then the repetition?
41.. Which is forbidden to an unclean priest.
42.. Since after due immersion one attains to cleanness at nightfall.
43.. In his sleep under his bedclothes heat might be engendered and this
would cause him to emit semen which would render him unclean and, therefore,
unfit to eat terumah.
44.. Cf. prev. n.
45.. Which can be examined for traces of semen before any terumah is given
to him.
46.. After immersion and after nightfall.
47.. Tosef. Nid. II. As it would thus be lost to sight the priest would be
regarded as clean and terumah would, as a result, be eaten by one who is in
fact unclean; and consequently an offence that is punishable by death (at
the hand of God) would unconsciously be committed.
48.. MS.M. and marg. n. Cur. edd., 'as it was taught'.
49.. Used in connection with the water of purification.
50.. When the water is measured to ascertain whether it contained
sufficient for a sprinkling (cf. supra 9a).
51.. Parah Xli, 5. Sc. as if they did not absorb any water at all; from
which it follows, in support of Abaye's explanation, that copper is a
non-absorbent.
52.. The prohibition of a bag supra on account of the heat it engenders.
53.. Such as engender heat, v. infra.
54.. Ex. XXVIII, 42.
55.. Hanging loosely round the organ the breeches could engender no heat.