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* Secondary factors why Eyeran wants nukes - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a6b2f655b2a3f198
* Queremos un gobierno que acabe con las divisiones y reconcilie a los
venezolanos. Queremos un gobierno que considere la honestidad - 1 messages, 1
author
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* Hersh vs. Bush: Who Would You Believe? - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ba628ff46dad22bc
* THE FIRST TERRORIST PEOPLE - 4 messages, 2 authors
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* WITH FRIENDS LIKE KIKES, AMERICA NEEDS NO ENEMIES! - 1 messages, 1 author
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* The Fateful Hour has Arrived . . . - 1 messages, 1 author
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* .............Y.................. ... CRISTO RESUCITÓ - 1 messages, 1 author
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* DEAD-END DEBATES - 4 messages, 2 authors
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* Islam has four times as many young men of fighting age as the west - 1
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* Bangla Terrorist Groups Involved In Varanasi Bomb Blats - 2 messages, 1
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* Refuting "commonsense" on love and experience - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Cuban-Americans and Cuban-American Supporters in the Bush Administration - 1
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* World War III NEWS, Tuesday, April 11th, 2006 AD....Bush's "Nuclear Option" -
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* Black Scholar Fearz Future of Young Black Men - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Pimping Da Oscarz - 1 messages, 1 author
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* UNA BIEN INTERESANTE DISCUSION DE OTRO FORO... - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Secondary factors why Eyeran wants nukes
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a6b2f655b2a3f198
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 4:51 am
From: Fred J. McCall

Vince <firelaw@firelaw.us> wrote:

:Andy Dingley wrote:
:> On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 06:28:49 -0400, Vince <firelaw@firelaw.us> wrote:
:>
:>> That is why you have a "reprocessing plant" it is designed to handle
:>> high level radioactive material and produce low level material suitable
:>> as feed stock
:>
:> Vince, get a clue or shut up and stop embarassing yourself.
:>
:> A reprocessing plant is a fiendish bit pf engineering, because its raw
:> material is high-level waste. If all you need is a bit of uranium
:> hexafluoride to stick in a centrifuge, then start from freshly mined
:> ore. It's just the same chemical problem, but you don't have the
:> radiological hazard to deal with.
:
:not the issue

No, the ISSUE is that it is easier to start with ore than with fuel
rods out of a reactor.

You are in denial about the issue AND the facts.

:> Waste isn't reprocessed to extract uranium, because it's just too cheap
:> and easy to buy it fresh from mines. Equally there's no market for
:> reprocessing Pu from reactor waste fuel because that's even more
:> expensive (you have to design a reactor capable of burning an awkward Pu
:> or MOX fuel, not just U). Japan does it to get rid of the stuff for
:> political reasons and because BNFL's monstrous pink elephant of THORP
:> offers bargain rates just to have _something_ to work on. The economics
:> of this are what embarassed the whole reprocessing industry in the '70s
:> - it's just not _worth_ reprocessing, let alone the disposal problems.
:>
:> If you want to enrich fuel for a low-enrichment U reactor, such asa
:> PWR, then go ahead and build a centrifuge plant. It's easy and IAEA
:> won't have a problem with it. For a centrifuge capable of getting to
:> weapons grade enrichments, you're into a whole new can of woms. Even the
:> raw steel and the right sort of bearing are seriously controlled trade
:> items.
:
:We are not talking about economics we are talking about making a bomb.
:Im not saying that reprocessing is the most efficient way of getting the
:fissile material. However if you have a reactor using partially enriched
:uranium extracting the U-235 is very straight forward

Except it is now U235 with significant U236 contamination, which
complicates your bomb design.

Again, it is easier to just start with uranium ore.

--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 4:51 am
From: Fred J. McCall

Vince <firelaw@firelaw.us> wrote:

:Fred J. McCall wrote:
:> Vince <firelaw@firelaw.us> wrote:
:>
:> :Fred J. McCall wrote:
:> :> Vince <firelaw@firelaw.us> wrote:
:> :>
:> :> :Fred J. McCall wrote:
:> :> :> Vince <firelaw@firelaw.us> wrote:
:> :> :>
:> :> :> :Fred J. McCall wrote: :> Vince <firelaw@firelaw.us> wrote: :> :>
:> :> :> :Fred J. McCall wrote: :> ianparker2@gmail.com wrote: :> :> :Yes but
:> :> :> :> if you have 10,000 centrfuges and a reprocessing facility :> :>
:> :> :> :everyone knows that one could be cobbled together fairly quickly if
:> :> :> :> :> :required. Perhaps that is all that is needed for the desired
:> :> :> :> political :> :pressure. :> :> If you have 10,000 centrifuges (and
:> :> :> a :> bunch of uranium) you don't need :> a reprocessing facility. :>
:> :> :> :> :> The centrifuges are used for enriching uranium. The
:> :> :> reprocessing :> :> facility is for separating plutonium from a
:> :> :> nuclear fuel burn. The :> :> former gives you material that can
:> :> :> probably "cobbled together :> fairly :> quickly" into a (gun-type)
:> :> :> bomb if required. The latter :> gives you :> plutonium, which is a
:> :> :> much harder problem to turn into a :> working :> weapon (and
:> :> :> "cobbling" just won't get it). :> :> Please :> learn something about
:> :> :> the technologies behind what you are :> talking :> about. :
:> :> :> :Reprocessing facilities also describes extracting uranium :> from
:> :> :> spent :reactor fuel elements :> :> Which has nothing to do with
:> :> :> making a bomb, which is what is being :> talked about. The uranium
:> :> :> from fuel rods would need to be further :> enriched (and there isn't
:> :> :> enough of it to do that, generally - you're :> better off just
:> :> :> starting from tons of ore). : :nonsense. spent Reactor fuel is
:> :> :> already enriched (3-5%), so it is the :best possible feedstock for
:> :> :> the Centrifuge.
:> :> :>
:> :> :> Nope. The nuclear burn process creates uranium isotopes (like U236,
:> :> :> I think - working from memory so that may not be right) that you
:> :> :> don't want in there.
:> :> :>
:> :> :> :"A PWR has fuel assemblies of 200-300 rods each, arranged vertically
:> :> :> in :the core, and a large reactor would have about 150-250 fuel
:> :> :> assemblies :with 80-100 tonnes of uranium. : :80-100 tons of uranium
:> :> :> enriched to 5% is a huge amount of U-235 :even partially spent fuel
:> :> :> rods can be about 3% u=235
:> :> :>
:> :> :> But it's hard to get out. Easier to start with ore unless you can
:> :> :> start with a brand new core. Even then, the metal may be locked up
:> :> :> in a form where it's difficult to get back out by design.
:> :> :>
:> :> :
:> :> :its not hard at all
:> :> :
:> :> : REX
:> :> :
:> :> : The PUREX process can be modified to make a UREX (URanium EXtraction)
:> :> :process which could be used to save space inside high level nuclear
:> :> :waste disposal sites, such as Yucca Mountain, by removing the uranium
:> :> :which makes up the vast majority of the mass and volume of used fuel and
:> :> :recycling it as reprocessed uranium.
:> :> :
:> :> : The UREX process is a PUREX process which has been modified to prevent
:> :> :the plutonium being extracted. This can be done by adding a plutonium
:> :> :reductant before the first metal extraction step. In the UREX process,
:> :> :~99.9% of the Uranium and >95% of Technetium are separated from each
:> :> :other and the other fission products and actinides. The key is the
:> :> :addition of acetohydroxamic acid (AHA) to the extraction and scrub
:> :> :sections of the process. The addition of AHA greatly diminishes the
:> :> :extractability of Plutonium and Neptunium, providing greater
:> :> :proliferation resistance than with the plutonium extraction stage of the
:> :> :PUREX process.
:> :> :
:> :> : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_reprocessing
:> :>
:> :> I said hard, not impossible. Fuel rod reprocessing is hard, Vinnie.
:> :> That's one reason that so few countries do it.
:> :>
:> :> The fact that there IS a process doesn't mean it is an EASY process.
:> :>
:> :> And after you do what is described above, you still have your U236
:> :> problem.
:> :>
:> :> You CAN make a weapon out of uranium extracted from spent reactor
:> :> fuel, but it's much harder to do than if you start from ore. DOE did
:> :> it once as a 'science project'. It's a much more complex design.
:> :>
:> :> But you will continue to argue about things that you know practically
:> :> nothing about, won't you?
:> :
:> :OFCS
:> :this is well understood as a problem when you are down blending
:> :
:> :Process Parameters
:> :
:> :HEU Feed Assay [wt-% U-235] · [wt-% U-234] · [wt-% U-236]
:> : Weight-percent of the fissile isotope uranium-235 and of the
:> :byproducts uranium-234 and uranium-236 in the uranium contained in the
:> :HEU feed (highly enriched uranium). U-235 assays are > 20% for HEU, by
:> :definition. The assays of HEU currently being downblended are in the 40%
:> :to 90% range. U-234 is a minor isotope contained in natural uranium;
:> :during the enrichment process, its concentration increases even more
:> :than that of U-235. Caution: Upon entry of a value for the U-235 assay,
:> :or the HEU Origin or Tails Assay (see below), the calculator
:> :automatically determines a value for the U-234 assay. In case the
:> :estimated value is inappropriate, it can be overwritten.
:> : U-236 is a byproduct from irradiation in a reactor and may be
:> :contained in the HEU, depending on its manufacturing history. HEU
:> :reprocessed from nuclear weapons material production reactors may
:> :contain U-236 concentrations as high as 25%.
:> :
:> :http://www.wise-uranium.org/nfcubh.html
:> :
:> :its a well understood problem
:> :You just adjust for it.
:>
:> You can't just "adjust for it" if you're building bombs, Vinnie. It's
:> more than a minor adjustment to bomb design if the uranium contains
:> any significant quantity of U236.
:>
:> Frankly, you've gone from merely ignorant (nothing wrong with that) to
:> obstinately ignorant (lots wrong with that).
:
:it just takes more u-235

Poppycock!

The bomb design has to be different.

--
"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
-- Thomas Jefferson

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TOPIC: Queremos un gobierno que acabe con las divisiones y reconcilie a los
venezolanos. Queremos un gobierno que considere la honestidad
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ea83de8344541731
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Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 12:38 am
From: "PM"

Queremos un gobierno que considere la honestidad una virtud indispensable y la corrupción un crimen por el cual deben pagar aquellos que se aprovechan del poder para beneficio propio.

Hay señales perturbadoras que obligan a pensar que un cambio tan radical como fatídico se ha operado en el clima represivo que asfixia al país desde hace 7 años y lo que destaca en la realidad son más y más espacios democráticos cerrados, donde "hombres de negro" merodean, rondan y circulan, anónimos y camuflados, a la caza de alguna víctima que le permita volcar la lava de su rabia, odio, resentimiento y deseos de venganza contra quienes piensa son enemigos impenitentes e irrescatables de la "revolución".

Porque los encargados de velar por el orden público fomentan el desorden y la violencia, y lo que podrían ser unos órganos policiales, se encuentran infiltrados por el crimen. Con una colombianización galopante y un crecimiento exponencial de la riqueza, como dicen los entendidos, ya la frontera se ha metido hasta Caracas.
A ojos vistas violencia e impunidad están totalmente enquistados en los tuétanos del Estado. Y esto es crimen organizado, descomposición criminal.
Queremos un gobierno que no acepte el autoritarismo, ni el abuso de poder, ni la impunidad. Un gobierno que nos permita decir con orgullo que los oprobiosos días en que el ciudadano se sentía indefenso frente a un Estado temerario ya son cosas del pasado.
Lo dice, lo grita y vocifera día y noche, en cadenas de radio y televisión que pueden durar hasta 8 horas diarias, un jefe que auspicia una práctica criminal: "el terrorismo mediático". La libertad de expresión es una enemiga intrínseca de la revolución, culpable del colapso del socialismo real y del fin del imperio soviético, y por tanto, tan culpable como los ejércitos, partidos y organizaciones de los enemigos de clase, por lo que debe ser denunciada, perseguida y controlada como forma de apartar un gran obstáculo, un siniestro impedimento.

El caos disolutivo del chavismo no debiera provocar otra reacción que no sea un profundo deseo de renovación, de apuntar exactamente a la meta contraria a la que ha aspirado esta faena de zapa, desintegración y aniquilamiento llevado a cabo por esta revolución pretendidamente socialista y pretendidamente de izquierdas. Un deseo de acabar con el pasado - incluido estos siete años de desastres y pesadillas - para dar vuelta la página y construir el futuro. En el aborrecible espejo de sus desastres, Chávez ha contribuido a perfilar la Venezuela que aspira a lo mejor: ser moderna, progresista, democrática, joven y decente. Ser, de una vez por todas, una nueva Venezuela.

Queremos un gobierno en el que todos los ciudadanos seamos iguales ante la ley y la justicia sea imparcial.
En Venezuela no hay ninguna revolución, sino un gobierno militar que tira zamarramente el anzuelo de su preocupación por lo pobres, mientras los somete a todo tipo de privaciones, de inequidades e injusticias que los convierte, a través de su vulnerabilidad, en el ejército de reserva de la dictadura.
El país quiere liberarse de esa visión malsana, enfermiza y neurótica de su pasado. Luego de abrir la caja de Pandora de nuestros más ominosos secretos, llevados al paroxismo durante estos siete años de oprobio y vergüenza, el país reacciona y comienza a sentir los efectos de una lavativa espiritual. Llegó la hora de quitarse las costras y lavar la casa.

Queremos un gobierno que acabe con las divisiones y reconcilie a los venezolanos.
¿Qué queremos? Una revolución modernizadora. Un sacudimiento espiritual que deseche las polillas y cucarachas de este subdesarrollo congénito. Abrir las ventanas del país y aspirar el aire renovador de las nuevas corrientes de la historia. Integrarnos a la globalización, propiciar la prosperidad y el crecimiento económico, ponernos a crear con todas nuestras fuerzas un nuevo espíritu nacional. Convertirnos en una nación del primer mundo, competitiva, avanzada, tecnológicamente al día, culturalmente a la vanguardia. Llegó la hora del siglo XXI. La nueva Venezuela espera por nosotros.
Queremos un gobierno que nos lleve a la paz y no a la guerra con el mundo.

Luis García Mora, Ana Julia Jatar, Manuel Malaver, Armando Durán, Antonio Sánchez García y Alberto Rodríguez Barrera

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TOPIC: Hersh vs. Bush: Who Would You Believe?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ba628ff46dad22bc
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Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 9:54 pm
From: "Möbius Pretzel"

NY.Transfer.News@blythe.org wrote:

> Hersh vs. Bush: Who Would You Believe?
>
> CounterPunch - Apr 14, 2006
> http://www.counterpunch.org/zeese04142006.html
>
> Attacking Iran
>
> Hersh vs. Bush: Who Would You Believe?
>
> By KEVIN ZEESE
>
> Seymour Hersh's extensive article describing plans to attack Iran, including
> the use of tactical nuclear weapons, has forced President Bush to respond.
> Two days after Hersh's article appeared, President Bush came forward to deny
> any intent to attack Iran--calling such claims 'wild speculation.'

The Bush Regime is planning another 9/11 style attack.

> Hersh begins his article in the New Yorker explaining the real purpose of
> attack on Iran: "There is a growing conviction among members of the United
> States military, and in the international community, that President Bush's
> ultimate goal in the nuclear confrontation with Iran is regime change."
>
> In response, President Bush said allegations that he plans to use force to
> halt Iran's nuclear program are "wild speculation." He went on to say that
> his focus is on diplomacy: "I know here in Washington prevention means
> force. It doesn't mean force necessarily. In this case it means diplomacy."
> When Donald Rumsfeld, the embattled Secretary of State, was asked about
> planning for Iran he was evasive saying "The last thing I'm going to do is
> to start telling you or anyone else in the press or the world at what point
> we refresh a plan or don't refresh a plan and why."
>
> Hersh seemed to expect this response writing before Bush spoke:
>
> "The Bush Administration, while publicly advocating diplomacy in order
> to stop Iran from pursuing a nuclear weapon, has increased clandestine
> activities inside Iran and intensified planning for a possible major air
> attack. Current and former American military and intelligence officials said
> that Air Force planning groups are drawing up lists of targets, and teams of
> American combat troops have been ordered into Iran, under cover, to collect
> targeting data and to establish contact with anti-government ethnic-minority
> groups."
>
> And when asked about Bush's comments, Hersh told Amy Goodman on Democracy
> Now: "It's simply a fact that the planning has gone beyond the contingency
> stage, and it's gone into what they call the operational stage, sort of an
> increment higher. And it's very serious planning, of course. And it's all
> being directed at the wish of the President of the United States. And I can
> understand why they don't want to talk about it, but that's just the
> reality."
>
>
>
> Pressure is Mounting to Attack Iran--a Long-Term Target of the Bush
> Administration
>
> Adding credibility to Hersh's claims is that removing those in power in Iran
> has been supported by many neo-cons since before Bush took office. It is
> consistent with the re-making of the Middle East, called for by the Project
> for a New American Century, as part of ensuring U.S. military and economic
> dominance of the world.
>
> In addition, a paper published by an Israeli think tank, the Institute for
> Advanced Strategic and Political Studies in 1996 entitled "A Clean Break: A
> New Strategy for Securing the Realm," written for Benjamin Netanyahu, set
> out a plan for Israel to "shape its strategic environment," beginning with
> the removal of Saddam Hussein and restoration of the Hashemites in Iraq.
> With Iraq transformed, they describe a strategic axis of Iraq, Jordan and
> Turkey that would weaken and "roll back" Syria and divide the Shia'a in Iraq
> with those in Iran and Syria.
>
> The Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA), another
> hard-line advocacy group, has advocated "regime change" by any means
> necessary in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia and the Palestinian Authority.
> JINSA's board of advisers has included many Bush administration leaders:
> Dick Cheney, John Bolton, Richard Perle, James Woolsey and Douglas Feith.
> JINSA now sees Iran as THE security threat saying in an April 12 JINSA
> Report entitled "Iran, Iran, Iran and Iran:"
>
> "Whatever we do in Iraq and whatever Iraqi politicians do; whatever we
> do to Hamas; however hard we look for Bin Laden or al-Zawahiri; whoever runs
> our port terminals; whatever the price of gasoline; however we secure our
> borders; whoever leaked Valerie Plame's name - under the shadow of a
> nuclear-capable Iran, American and allied options are reduced."
>
> Iran, they say, is "the whole list of national security priorities."
>
> The current pressure to attack Iran is building. The hard right Israeli
> lobby in the United States is advocating attacking Iran to stop the
> development of nuclear weapons. A full page advertisement in The New York
> Times on April 4 on page A-15 sponsored by the American Jewish Committee
> urged an attack on Iran drawing a map with Iran in the center showing how
> far it is from various countries in Asia, Europe and African asking: "Can
> anyone within range of Iran's missiles feel safe?"
>
> Just as the pro-Israel lobby beat the war drums for the invasion of Iraq,
> they are doing the same for Iran. AIPAC, the powerful pro-Israeli lobby has
> a special page on Iran's escalating threat. The concern of many has been
> heightened by reported comments by Iran's President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
> challenging the reality of the Holocaust and that Israel must be "wiped off
> the map."
>
> The recent announcement by Ahmadinejad that Iran has enriched uranium in a
> 164-centrifuge network to 3.5% has heightened the conflict further.
> Ahmadinejad says Iran must now be treated as a nuclear country and that it
> plans to continue to develop nuclear power. This is far from the level of
> enrichment needed for a nuclear weapon--requiring at least 80% enrichment
> and thousands of centrifuges. Iran says it plans to go ahead and construct a
> 3,000 centrifuge network at the Natanz facility within a year and eventually
> expand to 54,000 centrifuges. Developing enriched uranium for nuclear power
> is legal under the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty but the UN Security
> Council has given Iran until April 28 to suspend uranium enrichment.
>
> Further, much to the chagrin of the Bush administration, the Iraq invasion
> has strengthened Iran. Noted Middle East commentator, Juan Cole, has
> described Iran as the real victor in the Iraq War. Iran has been able to
> establish warm relations with the government in Iraq. To have a member of
> the axis of evil strengthened as result of U.S. policy is an unintended
> consequence the U.S cannot let stand.
>
> Problems mounting in Iraq are a two-edged sword. On one side the U.S.
> military is stretched thin and exhausted and opening another front in the
> Middle East--with a country four times the size of Iraq--would seem to be
> physically impossible. And, an air campaign would be a challenge with an
> estimated 400 sites that would need to be targeted. In addition, there are
> concerns about an alliance between the Shia community in Iraq and Shia
> dominated Iran making the difficult Iraq situation even more challenging.
> Then, there are the unpredictable economic impacts--oil prices, already high
> could jump higher and the reaction of Wall Street and the markets could also
> be
>
> But, the other edge of the Iraq-quagmire sword increases the chance of an
> attack on Iran. Certainly, the administration would prefer to have
> discussion of war strategy instead of the fighting in Iraq. And video of
> precision air attacks bombing alleged nuclear facilities in Iran will be
> preferred to civilian deaths in Iraq. As former national security adviser
> Norman Birnbaum recently said "I fear what the French term a fuite en
> avance, a flight in advance, and an attack on Iran."
>
>
> Is Diplomacy Possible? Is it Really Being Pursued?
>
> Pursuing diplomacy is complicated by President Bush's rhetoric. Four years
> ago Iran was labeled by President Bush as part of the "axis of evil." Since
> then the United States has surrounded the country with troops in Afghanistan
> on its western border, Iraq on its eastern border and the Persian Gulf in
> the south. And, the rhetoric is escalating.
>
> Since the Iranian Revolution the US has had no formal diplomatic ties with
> Iran. According to a report in the New York Times, in the lead-up to the
> 2003 Iraq War, Iran reportedly made an overture to U.S. officials to begin
> what former U.S. policymaker Flynt Leverett, a former national security
> adviser, State Department and CIA official says there was 'a diplomatic
> process intended to resolve on a comprehensive basis all the bilateral
> differences between the United States and Iran.' The United States did not
> take up the offer. Leverett says that Bush "is, on this issue, very, very
> resistant to the idea of doing a deal, even a deal that would solve the
> nuclear problem." So, is the administration serious about diplomacy?
>
> Leverett's view is consistent with one stated by Javad Zarif, the Iranian
> ambassador to the United Nations, in a NY Times op-ed on April 6. Zarif made
> the point that "A solution to the situation is possible and eminently within
> reach." And, he emphasized that Iran has complied with the Nuclear
> Nonproliferation Treaty, indeed, would like to see it strengthened and
> enhanced. Further, "Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the leader of the Islamic
> Republic, has issued a decree against the development, production,
> stockpiling and use of nuclear weapons."
>
> Further, he points out that Iran wants "stability" and "never initiated the
> use of force or resorted to the threat of force against a fellow member of
> the United Nations. Although chemical weapons have been used on us, we have
> never used them in retaliation - as United Nations reports have made clear.
> We have not invaded another country in 250 years." The article also
> highlights how Iran has gone above and beyond the inspection requirements of
> the UN. Zarif concludes saying: "Finding solutions requires political will
> and a readiness to engage in serious negotiations. Iran is ready."
>
> Not only is the President's rhetoric and record a problem for diplomacy, but
> so is modern U.S. history with Iran. In 1953, the Eisenhower administration
> engaged in public rhetorical attacks on Iran when they nationalized the oil
> industry, seizing a British oil company. The CIA overthrew the democratic
> government of Mohammed Mossadegh working with Great Britain and installed
> the Shah of Iran.
>
> The most recent Democratic Secretary of State, Madeline Albright, excused
> the U.S. overthrow of Mossadegh saying in 2000 that: "The Eisenhower
> administration believed its actions were justified for strategic reasons.
> But the coup was clearly a setback for Iran's political development and it
> is easy to see now why many Iranians continue to resent this intervention by
> America."
>
> Just as Albright excused the overthrow by a Republican president, there is
> essential silence by the Democrats in response to the Bush administration's
> talk of bombing Iran. While some Democrats have opposed the use of nuclear
> weapons, they have not opposed the idea of attacking Iran with non-nuclear
> weapons. Senator Hilary Clinton has said that a nuclear-armed Iran would be
> "unacceptable." Rep. Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic leader in the House
> describes Iran as "the greatest threat to Israel's right to exist." Senator
> John Kerry, told Meet the Press on April 10, that he favored keeping the
> option of air strikes against Iran on the table. The strongest opposition to
> attacking Iran has come from Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) who notes there is little
> resistance in Congress and it appears we have not learned anything from
> three years in Iraq.
>
> Hersh reports on a Member of the House of Representatives describing
> meetings where carefully selected Members have been briefed on Iran, he
> writes: "'There's no pressure from Congress' not to take military action,
> the House member added. 'The only political pressure is from the guys who
> want to do it.' Speaking of President Bush, the House member said, 'The most
> worrisome thing is that this guy has a messianic vision.'"
>
> If diplomacy means gaining international support then the Bush
> administration has problems. There is opposition to an attack on Iran around
> the world. The U.S. may only have Israel as a serious ally in a military
> attack. The Washington Post reports that the Russians and Chinese won't even
> go along with economic sanctions. And in the recent security council
> resolution Russia and China edited out the threat of sanctions if Iran did
> not stop its enrichment of uranium. Further, Saudi Arabia has asked Russia
> to use its position on the Security Council to prevent a U.S. military
> attack on Iran. Even Great Britain is unlikely to participate in an Iran
> attack.
>
> The consensus seems to be that while many would prefer Iran not to have a
> nuclear weapon, Iran is certainly not an immediate threat to the U.S. or
> surrounding countries. U.S. intelligence agencies and Hans Blix, chief UN
> weapons inspector have reported that Iran having a bomb is five to ten years
> away. As author Mike Whitney point out, "IAEA chief Mohammed Elbaradei has
> repeatedly stated that his team of inspectors, who've had the opportunity to
> "go anywhere and see anything," has found nothing to corroborate the
> assertions of the US or Israel."
>
> Further, would Iran use a nuclear weapon offensively? Iran does not have any
> modern history of attacking other countries. Certainly, with Israel having
> 250 nuclear bombs and the U.S. with its large arsenal, would leave Iran to
> recognize that the use of the bomb would result in the destruction of Iran.
> A nuclear response would be something that Israel and the U.S. could easily
> justify and the world would accept.
>
>
> Hersh is Not Alone Reporting on Iran Attack Planning, Including Nuclear
> Weapons
>
> Sy Hersh is not the only one reporting on military plans being developed.
> According to Philip Giraldi, writing in the American Conservative, last year
> Vice President Cheney ordered the Strategic Command to develop plans to
> attack Iran if there is another 9-11 type attack on the United States. These
> plans include a large-scale air assault on Iran employing both conventional
> and tactical nuclear weapons.
>
> Giraldi points out that within Iran there are more than 450 major strategic
> targets, including numerous suspected nuclear-weapons-program development
> sites. Many of the targets are hardened or are deep underground and could
> not be taken out by conventional weapons, hence the nuclear option. As in
> the case of Iraq, the response is not conditional on Iran actually being
> involved in the act of terrorism directed against the United States. Giraldi
> reports that several senior Air Force officers involved in the planning are
> appalled at the implications of what they are doing--that Iran is being set
> up for an unprovoked nuclear attack--but no one is prepared to damage his
> career by posing any objections.
>
> Further, the Washington Post also wrote that intense planning was underway
> including the nuclear option in an article published on April 9. The Post
> reports that while U.S. officials continue to pursue the diplomatic course
> they privately are increasingly skeptical that it will succeed. And, that
> last month the White House's new National Security Strategy labeled Iran the
> most serious challenge to the United States posed by any country. They
> described two levels of air attack--a quick and limited strike against
> nuclear-related facilities and a more ambitious campaign of bombing and
> cruise missiles leveling targets well beyond nuclear facilities. The White
> House is also considering 'nuclear penetrator munitions' to take out buried
> labs.
>
> Hersh describes specific plans using tactical nuclear weapons stating:
>
> "One of the military's initial option plans, as presented to the White
> House by the Pentagon this winter, calls for the use of a bunker-buster
> tactical nuclear weapon, such as the B61-11, against underground nuclear
> sites. One target is Iran's main centrifuge plant, at Natanz, nearly two
> hundred miles south of Tehran. Natanz, which is no longer under I.A.E.A.
> safeguards, reportedly has underground floor space to hold fifty thousand
> centrifuges, and laboratories and workspaces buried approximately
> seventy-five feet beneath the surface. That number of centrifuges could
> provide enough enriched uranium for about twenty nuclear warheads a year.
> (Iran has acknowledged that it initially kept the existence of its
> enrichment program hidden from I.A.E.A. inspectors, but claims that none of
> its current activity is barred by the Non-Proliferation Treaty.) The
> elimination of Natanz would be a major setback for Iran's nuclear ambitions,
> but the conventional weapons in the American arsenal could not insure the
> destruction of facilities under seventy-five feet of earth and rock,
> especially if they are reinforced with concrete."
>
> Hersh describes the nuclear option as creating "serious misgivings inside
> the offices of the Joint Chiefs of Staff," with "some officers have talked
> about resigning. Late this winter, the Joint Chiefs of Staff sought to
> remove the nuclear option from the evolving war plans for Iran-without
> success . . ." Further "some senior officers and officials were considering
> resigning over the issue" and "the Joint Chiefs had agreed to give President
> Bush a formal recommendation stating that they are strongly opposed to
> considering the nuclear option for Iran."
>
> Hersh also comments that the Defense Science board, chaired by William
> Schneider, Jr., an Under-Secretary of State in the Reagan Administration,
> which has urged the development of tactical nuclear weapons. Schneider
> served on an ad-hoc panel on nuclear forces sponsored by the National
> Institute for Public Policy, a conservative think tank in January 2001.
> Hersh states: "The panel's report recommended treating tactical nuclear
> weapons as an essential part of the U.S. arsenal and noted their suitability
> 'for those occasions when the certain and prompt destruction of high
> priority targets is essential and beyond the promise of conventional
> weapons.' Several signers of the report are now prominent members of the
> Bush Administration, including Stephen Hadley, the national-security
> adviser; Stephen Cambone, the Under-Secretary of Defense for Intelligence;
> and Robert Joseph, the Under-Secretary of State for Arms Control and
> International Security."
>
> While seeking to stop Iran, the Bush Administration has made upgrading US
> nuclear weapons a key goal. The Los Angles Times reported on April 6 that
> "The administration . . . wants the capability to turn out 125 new nuclear
> bombs per year by 2022, as the Pentagon retires older bombs that it claims
> will no longer be reliable or safe." The last nuclear bomb was built in 1989
> but the Bush plan also "calls for a modern complex to design a new nuclear
> bomb and have it ready in less than four years, allowing the nation to
> respond to changing military requirements."
>
> Thus, the Bush administration is moving to upgrade U.S. nuclear weapons,
> develop tactical nuclear weapons and even use nuclear weapons against
> Iran--in an effort to stop Iran from developing a nuclear weapon. The irony
> (or is it irany) of this hypocrisy will not be lost on the world and it is
> likely to further weaken U.S. alliances around the world.
>
>
> Who to Trust Hersh or Bush?
>
> So, back to the original question--who to believe the commander in chief or
> the investigative reporter. Sy Hersh is a Pulitzer Prize winning reporter
> who gained international fame for exposing the My Lai massacre in Vietnam
> and more recently the Abu Ghraib prison scandal.
>
> President Bush has most recently been tied to the leak of a CIA agents name
> in retaliation of her husband's report criticizing claims related to nuclear
> weapons in Iraq. He has been widely criticized for exaggerating the threat
> of Iraq regarding weapons of mass destruction. And he has claimed that the
> United States does not torture people it detains, when photographs and other
> evidence indicate that it does.
>
> Right now the U.S. public is divided on attacking Iran. The Los Angeles
> Times reports that 48% would support an attack if Iran continued to develop
> nuclear weapons, while 40% opposed. In January a Times/Bloomberg poll found
> 57% support so support is dropping. But, there is loss of trust in Bush,
> with 54% saying they do not expect him to make the right decision. Bloomberg
> reports that only 37% of Americans believe Bush when he claims progress is
> being made on Iraq. And, according to a Washington Post poll, 55% of
> Americans do not find Bush to be "honest and trustworthy." So, Bush has a
> lot to overcome to convince the public to believe him on Iraq.
>
> Hersh obviously struck a cord deep enough that the president felt he had to
> respond. Hopefully, shining the light on the plans to go to war will result
> in a more informed electorate and opposition in Congress that stops the
> expansion of the war in the Middle East.
>
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 10:07 pm
From: "Joseph Welch"

"Roedy Green" <my_email_is_posted_on_my_website@munged.invalid> wrote in
message news:8ji342569hj1n80l9piqkq9qdd54p8i4b0@4ax.com...

> I believe Hersh because of his track record.

Hersch predicted a U.S. attack in Iran for the summer of 2005. Hersch's
track record on predicting attacks on Iran are 0 for 0.

Look:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/16/hersh.iran/

--
JW
***************
"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html

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TOPIC: THE FIRST TERRORIST PEOPLE
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/904401dc574f729b
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 2:55 pm
From: "Bloggs"

"Evron" <mossad@ziontimes.com> wrote in message
news:1145155896.949997.122200@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> princeandy made a whiny attempt to write:
>> THEY HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY TERRORIST TRAINING
>>
>
> So fly over here and open your training facility.
>
>>
>> Arab labourers who wait on tables, pick vegetables, haul garbage, lay
>> bricks
>>
>
> And then they threw the bricks and broke out their AKs for effect.
>
> Quit apologizing for terrorists. Do you think they will remember your
> appeasing personality as they drop a Kassam rocket on your house. I
> doubt it.

Don't you think the Palestinians might behave better if they were given a
fair go?

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 5:01 am
From: "DoD"

"Bloggs" <Bloggs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4441ccad$0$15350$6d36acad@taz.nntpserver.com...
>
> "Evron" <mossad@ziontimes.com> wrote in message
> news:1145155896.949997.122200@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> princeandy made a whiny attempt to write:
>>> THEY HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY TERRORIST TRAINING
>>>
>>
>> So fly over here and open your training facility.
>>
>>>
>>> Arab labourers who wait on tables, pick vegetables, haul garbage, lay
>>> bricks
>>>
>>
>> And then they threw the bricks and broke out their AKs for effect.
>>
>> Quit apologizing for terrorists. Do you think they will remember your
>> appeasing personality as they drop a Kassam rocket on your house. I
>> doubt it.
>
> Don't you think the Palestinians might behave better if they were given a
> fair go?

So called Palestinians have been givin better than a fair share..... More so
than any group on this planet that is far more deserving.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 3:32 pm
From: "Bloggs"

"DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
news:Qck0g.17$k.7@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> "Bloggs" <Bloggs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4441ccad$0$15350$6d36acad@taz.nntpserver.com...
>>
>> "Evron" <mossad@ziontimes.com> wrote in message
>> news:1145155896.949997.122200@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> princeandy made a whiny attempt to write:
>>>> THEY HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY TERRORIST TRAINING
>>>>
>>>
>>> So fly over here and open your training facility.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Arab labourers who wait on tables, pick vegetables, haul garbage, lay
>>>> bricks
>>>>
>>>
>>> And then they threw the bricks and broke out their AKs for effect.
>>>
>>> Quit apologizing for terrorists. Do you think they will remember your
>>> appeasing personality as they drop a Kassam rocket on your house. I
>>> doubt it.
>>
>> Don't you think the Palestinians might behave better if they were given a
>> fair go?
>
> So called Palestinians have been givin better than a fair share..... More
> so than any group on this planet that is far more deserving.

You're really stupid.

>
>

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 5:36 am
From: "DoD"

"Bloggs" <Bloggs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
> news:Qck0g.17$k.7@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>
>> "Bloggs" <Bloggs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:4441ccad$0$15350$6d36acad@taz.nntpserver.com...
>>>
>>> "Evron" <mossad@ziontimes.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1145155896.949997.122200@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>> princeandy made a whiny attempt to write:
>>>>> THEY HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY TERRORIST TRAINING
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So fly over here and open your training facility.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Arab labourers who wait on tables, pick vegetables, haul garbage, lay
>>>>> bricks
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And then they threw the bricks and broke out their AKs for effect.
>>>>
>>>> Quit apologizing for terrorists. Do you think they will remember your
>>>> appeasing personality as they drop a Kassam rocket on your house. I
>>>> doubt it.
>>>
>>> Don't you think the Palestinians might behave better if they were given
>>> a fair go?
>>
>> So called Palestinians have been givin better than a fair share..... More
>> so than any group on this planet that is far more deserving.
>
> You're really stupid.

That was really effective...

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TOPIC: WITH FRIENDS LIKE KIKES, AMERICA NEEDS NO ENEMIES!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/cd9b460263d94174
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 2:56 pm
From: "Bloggs"

"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
news:4441967F.177DB321@io.com...
> jsp722@gmail.com wrote:
>>AnonMoos wrote:
>>>Ben Cramer wrote:
>>>>"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:443BF607.803CFFE9@io.com...
>>>>>"Ben Cramer" <[remove]bencramer7@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:44384A59.D7975A96@io.com...
>>>>>>>"serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>"AnonMoos" <anonmoos@io.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:4437AAD2.913BEE6B@io.com...
>>>>>>>>>jsp722@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>> I H V H
>
>>>>>>>>> You're confused about the pronunciation of the consonants of
>>>>>>>>> the Tetragrammaton.
>
>>>>>>>> Ask Moose!
>
>>>>>>> You should -- the Biblical Hebrew sound-system is one of my
>>>>>>> strongest areas...
>
>>>>>> Gosh! Such a significantly important skill to possess. Bet
>>>>>> you're headhunted constantly.
>
>>>>> It sometimes comes in handy when showing up the pretensions of
>>>>> ignoramus bigots...
>
>>>> And when does this venture of yours commence?
>
>>> "jsp722@gmail.com" is too pathetic to waste much effort on, but
>>> I've been correcting glaring errors for a long time -- see
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.palestine/browse_thread/thread/1eb6bb1deabe91e/
>>> or (from the other side), my very recent post
>>> URL:<news:443FB01E.34CF4DA5@io.com>
>
>> I understand your perplexity.
>
> I'm not in the slightest perplexed -- just contemptuous of your
> bigoted ignorance.
>
>> I H V H
>
> You're still confused about the pronunciation of the consonants of
> the Tetragrammaton.

It probably makes any difference to no more than a handful of people
worldwide. Totally insignificant.

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TOPIC: The Fateful Hour has Arrived . . .
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/68f9d71f4e6c36bb
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 9:57 pm
From: "fuckyourfakewarforoilcorporations"

that rhymes with fuck you arab piece of shit, fuck you in your wifes
berkad ass

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TOPIC: .............Y.................. ... CRISTO RESUCITÓ
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/1aec61be391c6dad
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 12:47 am
From: "PM"

Y CRISTO RESUCITÓ
Por José Ignacio Rivero

El domingo de Pascua de Resurrección del año 1960 publicábamos en La Habana una “Carta sin Sobre” dirigida al R.P. Vasco de Barra, O.F.M. (franciscano) en respuesta a una suya en la que se despedía de nosotros porque el régimen castrista lo obligaba a salir de Cuba en un plazo de breves horas por “enemigo del pueblo”.

El Padre Vasco de Barra escribía en nuestro Diario de la Marina sin pelos en la “pluma” y sin importarle las amenazas ni los insultos de los comunistas.

Vamos a continuación –por la oportunidad de la fecha—a traer a esta columna de hoy parte de nuestra respuesta en cuestión:

***

“Ayer, sábado Santo, día en que los hombres, hace dos mil años, sellaron la sepultura del Justo, del Hijo de Dios hecho Hombre, que murió para salvarnos, publiqué su carta de despedida. De despedida a Cuba y al Diario de la Marina, porque se le declara a usted “enemigo del pueblo”.

“Yo le respondo, más con el corazón que con la pluma, hoy, Domingo de Resurrección, día en que Cristo salió triunfante del sepulcro a donde lo llevaron el pecado y la ceguera de los hombres, a quienes El mismo vino a redimir.

“No importa estimado Padre que usted se despida o lo despidan por haber dicho la verdad que aquí tanto quieren deformar. Se marcha usted cumpliendo con Dios, con lo justo y con su conciencia. Y se marcha con un amago de dolor, con una tristeza seca, con un corazón que palpita ante los dolores y sufrimientos que ya no podrá aliviar, aminorar o evitar, según usted dice. Pero yo le digo, Padre, sin ser sacerdote, aunque sí humilde soldado de Cristo también, que alivie ese dolor y esa tristeza que le deja en su corazón esta despedida amarga, esta muerte que parece y no lo es; porque hoy Domingo de Resurrección los cristianos vemos más claro que el que está con El no se despide ni muere nunca: vive, aunque muera un poco cada día, por vivir entre los hombres.

“En efecto, a Cristo lo atormentaron y lo llevaron a la cruz haciendo el bien y señalando el camino de la verdad. Y luego sellaron su sepultura. Y pusieron guardias en ella. Pero el fin de las tinieblas llegó y de lo más obscuro brotó una nueva aurora, una aurora desconocida: la aurora de la Redención.

“¡Y Cristo resucitó!”

“Me asombra que mientras nuestra frontera está abierta de par en par a tantos indeseables y gentes sin patria, porque no aman a la propia, para servir al peor tirano de todos los tiranos, que se llama el imperialismo ruso, se les cierren las puertas de la Cuba que usted quiere tanto y a la que tanto bien ha hecho con sinceros artículos.

“Puede llevar usted la certeza de que Cuba no le echa. De que queda usted como un sacerdote benemérito, como un buen franciscano que ha cumplido ante Dios y ante todos los cubanos católicos con su sagrada obligación, exponiéndose a que se le tratase como a ‘enemigo del pueblo’... ¡Cuándo resulta usted todo lo contrario! Y eso, nuestro buen pueblo se lo demostrará algún día.

“Por eso debe marcharse usted tranquilo, aunque crea ‘morir un poco’ en su despedida. Así se marchó Cristo del Huerto después del beso de Judas, mientras dormían sus discípulos, hacia la muerte por nosotros para luego resucitar...

“Marche usted tranquilo, Padre Barra, y lleve la certeza de que usted queda en el corazón de los cubanos, que somos la inmensa mayoría. De nuestros corazones no le podrá echar nadie... En el mío quedará para siempre.

“Su también mal comprendido, por algunos hermanos, y afectísimo en Cristo, José Ignacio Rivero”

***

Algo más de cuatro décadas después de aquella despedida de Cuba le decimos al Padre Vasco de Barra donde quiera que se encuentre, aun en la tierra o ya en el Cielo: Gracias Padre, muchas gracias por habernos acompañado en la denuncia pública en Cuba contra las injusticias que se estaban cometiendo en nuestra patria.

***

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 3:04 pm
From: "Bloggs"

"DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
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>
> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:PwY%f.657$iB2.143@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "Evron" <mossad@ziontimes.com> wrote in message
>> news:1145063568.454118.270890@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> serwad wrote:
>>>> IF YOU GET RID OF ALL THE ARABS, THERE WOULD BE NO PROBLEMS
>>>> IN MIDDLE EAST!
>>
>> THAT WILL BE THE DAY, "CHOSEN" ARSEHOLE
>
> First all, there are a lot of Jews that don't like the concept of being
> considered chosen. That is an idea that came from Christianity, how in the
> world that happened is beyond me, since Europe has always been
> anti-Semitic. Over here in the U.S. the evan jellicals, and other
> Protestants have given it a favorable conotation Personally I don't like
> chosen, as that implies someone is better than me, and I don't see it that
> way.

A lot of the people posting here are better than you. You're rather stupid.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 5:11 am
From: "DoD"

"Bloggs" <Bloggs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
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>>
>> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Evron" <mossad@ziontimes.com> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> serwad wrote:
>>>>> IF YOU GET RID OF ALL THE ARABS, THERE WOULD BE NO PROBLEMS
>>>>> IN MIDDLE EAST!
>>>
>>> THAT WILL BE THE DAY, "CHOSEN" ARSEHOLE
>>
>> First all, there are a lot of Jews that don't like the concept of being
>> considered chosen. That is an idea that came from Christianity, how in
>> the world that happened is beyond me, since Europe has always been
>> anti-Semitic. Over here in the U.S. the evan jellicals, and other
>> Protestants have given it a favorable conotation Personally I don't like
>> chosen, as that implies someone is better than me, and I don't see it
>> that way.
>
> A lot of the people posting here are better than you.

Nope, I am the creme de la creme........

> You're rather stupid.

You are rather someone that is one of the ding dong regulars.... you are
definately not new.... Probably someone that finally everyone ignored so you
changed Nyms.... tisk tisk...

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 3:29 pm
From: "Bloggs"

"DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
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> "Bloggs" <Bloggs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
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>>> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> "Evron" <mossad@ziontimes.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1145063568.454118.270890@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> serwad wrote:
>>>>>> IF YOU GET RID OF ALL THE ARABS, THERE WOULD BE NO PROBLEMS
>>>>>> IN MIDDLE EAST!
>>>>
>>>> THAT WILL BE THE DAY, "CHOSEN" ARSEHOLE
>>>
>>> First all, there are a lot of Jews that don't like the concept of being
>>> considered chosen. That is an idea that came from Christianity, how in
>>> the world that happened is beyond me, since Europe has always been
>>> anti-Semitic. Over here in the U.S. the evan jellicals, and other
>>> Protestants have given it a favorable conotation Personally I don't
>>> like chosen, as that implies someone is better than me, and I don't see
>>> it that way.
>>
>> A lot of the people posting here are better than you.
>
> Nope, I am the creme de la creme........
>
>> You're rather stupid.
>
> You are rather someone that is one of the ding dong regulars.... you are
> definately not new.... Probably someone that finally everyone ignored so
> you changed Nyms.... tisk tisk...

You're partly right. I've been lurking for a few weeks.

>
>
>

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 5:37 am
From: "DoD"

"Bloggs" <Bloggs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
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>> "Bloggs" <Bloggs@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> "DoD" <thecats@ss.mil> wrote in message
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>>>> "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>>>>>
>>>>> "Evron" <mossad@ziontimes.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1145063568.454118.270890@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> serwad wrote:
>>>>>>> IF YOU GET RID OF ALL THE ARABS, THERE WOULD BE NO PROBLEMS
>>>>>>> IN MIDDLE EAST!
>>>>>
>>>>> THAT WILL BE THE DAY, "CHOSEN" ARSEHOLE
>>>>
>>>> First all, there are a lot of Jews that don't like the concept of being
>>>> considered chosen. That is an idea that came from Christianity, how in
>>>> the world that happened is beyond me, since Europe has always been
>>>> anti-Semitic. Over here in the U.S. the evan jellicals, and other
>>>> Protestants have given it a favorable conotation Personally I don't
>>>> like chosen, as that implies someone is better than me, and I don't see
>>>> it that way.
>>>
>>> A lot of the people posting here are better than you.
>>
>> Nope, I am the creme de la creme........
>>
>>> You're rather stupid.
>>
>> You are rather someone that is one of the ding dong regulars.... you are
>> definately not new.... Probably someone that finally everyone ignored so
>> you changed Nyms.... tisk tisk...
>
> You're partly right. I've been lurking for a few weeks.

Hardly.... You are nothing new.... just a redo on a handle...

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TOPIC: Islam has four times as many young men of fighting age as the west
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/224b0236d0f9929f
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 1:05 pm
From: "Peace"

The world has about 10 Million Jews vs. more than a billion Muslims. Who
rules? Its brains that count not numbers!

Mass production of cheap and inferior goods will be of no benefit to
humanity.

"habshi" <hi@anony> wrote in message
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> The west is doomed . its population is collapsing as women
> have just one child each . Britain will fall from 50m whites to just
> 5m by the end of this century. Hindus, Jews too have small families
> not replacing themselves. Evolution favours the prolfic and soon Islam
> will take over the planet as an aging west refuses to let its
> vanishing children to fight .
>
> excerpt telegraph.co.uk
>
> Last year, it was after another khalvat that Ahmadinejad announced his
> intention to stand for president. Now, he boasts that the Imam gave
> him the presidency for a single task: provoking a "clash of
> civilisations" in which the Muslim world, led by Iran, takes on the
> "infidel" West, led by the United States, and defeats it in a slow but
> prolonged contest that, in military jargon, sounds like a low
> intensity, asymmetrical war.
>
> In Ahmadinejad's analysis, the rising Islamic "superpower" has
> decisive advantages over the infidel. Islam has four times as many
> young men of fighting age as the West, with its ageing populations.
> Hundreds of millions of Muslim "ghazis" (holy raiders) are keen to
> become martyrs while the infidel youths, loving life and fearing
> death, hate to fight. Islam also has four-fifths of the world's oil
> reserves, and so controls the lifeblood of the infidel. More
> importantly, the US, the only infidel power still capable of fighting,
> is hated by most other nations.
>
> According to this analysis, spelled out in commentaries by
> Ahmadinejad's strategic guru, Hassan Abassi, known as the "Dr
> Kissinger of Islam", President George W Bush is an aberration, an
> exception to a rule under which all American presidents since Truman,
> when faced with serious setbacks abroad, have "run away". Iran's
> current strategy, therefore, is to wait Bush out. And that, by "divine
> coincidence", corresponds to the time Iran needs to develop its
> nuclear arsenal, thus matching the only advantage that the infidel
> enjoys.
>
> Moments after Ahmadinejad announced "the atomic miracle", the head of
> the Iranian nuclear project, Ghulamreza Aghazadeh, unveiled plans for
> manufacturing 54,000 centrifuges, to enrich enough uranium for
> hundreds of nuclear warheads. "We are going into mass production," he
> boasted.
>
> The Iranian plan is simple: playing the diplomatic game for another
> two years until Bush becomes a "lame-duck", unable to take military
> action against the mullahs, while continuing to develop nuclear
> weapons.
>
> Thus do not be surprised if, by the end of the 12 days still left of
> the United Nations' Security Council "deadline", Ahmadinejad announces
> a "temporary suspension" of uranium enrichment as a "confidence
> building measure". Also, don't be surprised if some time in June he
> agrees to ask the Majlis (the Islamic parliament) to consider signing
> the additional protocols of the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty
> (NPT).
>
>
>

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TOPIC: Bangla Terrorist Groups Involved In Varanasi Bomb Blats
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ee4fc3538a948b81
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 10:22 pm
From: "baani"

My response marked as $$$
Seeker wrote:

> "baani" <baani.t@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1145087408.277044.315110@e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
> > Response marked @@@
> > Seeker wrote:
> > > <baani.t@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1144998174.933930.325440@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > > > My response marked as #
> > > > Seeker wrote:
> > > > > "baani" <baani.t@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:1144910496.293902.314030@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > > > > > Seeker wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Accounting rules are different in every country. You can't learn
> all
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > > accounting by reading websites etc. It is a complicated matter
> > > because
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > the very reasons we are having this discussion.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Seeker,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1) Accounting principles for all countries remain the same in the
> > > > > > entire world . All countries publish their financial data as per
> the
> > > > > > International Accounting Standards ( IAS).
> > > > >
> > > > > In the US it is FASB. Trust me accounting is very difficult. It is
> one
> > > of
> > > > > the hardest business class. I am not talking about debits and
> credits.
> > > >
> > > > # In India it is AS issued by ICAI. But the basis will remain the
> same.
> > > > All the countries follow IAS while framing the accounting policies.
> > >
> > > Once again, it is not true for every country. As I stated before in the
> US
> > > FASB sets the standards and the compliance to its standards is
> voluntary.
> > >
> > @@@ Really!!! Implementation of all US GAAPs is voluntary or a few?
>
> Compliance to GAAP and FASB standards is voluntariy. FASB has no legal
> authority in the US.
>
> > Check it out .. And we are not discussing USA.. We were discussing
> > Pakistan..
>
> You said the whole world uses IAS, I just proved to you that the whole world
> does not. Is it hard to understand this for you?

$$$ Still hold my statement that before formulating their accounting
policies all the countries refer to IAS. Also if they are not adhereing
to the commonly accepted principles they will disclose it
> > > > > What will differ are the
> > > > > > rates i.e one country may charge interest @ 10% the other @ 4%
> > > >
> > > > > > 2) Any deviation from the commonly practiced norms is disclosed in
> the
> > > > > > Notes of Accounts. Now even for a single moment I do not doubt the
> > > fact
> > > > > > that Pakistan would be doing that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dude, you don't even know what you are talking about. There are so
> many
> > > > > complicated issues, you simply can't learn about accounting by
> reading
> > > > > wikipedia.
> > > >
> > > > # ok. So throw light on these complicated issues .
> > >
> > > I am not about to write a book on financial accounting.
> > >
> > @@@ Who asked you to write a book? State a few issues- 1 or 2 will even
> > do..
>
> No, that can't be done. It is a vast subject and one or two sentences will
> not do justice to it. If you want to learn about accounting, learn it at a
> university. I am not qualified to teach it, but I am qualified to understand
> it. You are basing your knowledge on newspapers who never claim to be
> accounting experts.

$$$ Seeker: I am qualified to both teach & learn accounting policies.
>
> News papers only offer snippets of news.
>
> > > > >
> > > > > > 3) While preparing comparative data- data is reworked upon-
> brought on
> > > > > > the same platform. So if you say that GDP of India includes
> Interest
> > > > > > earned on money kept in bank accounts & Pakistan's doesn't then in
> > > > > > that case to prepare comparative data- either the interest figures
> > > will
> > > > > > be removed from India's GDP or they will be calculated for
> Pakistan &
> > > > > > added to its GDP.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is a known fact that India and China oversate their GDP. The
> actual
> > > > > numbers are much lower.
> > > >
> > > > # Yeah & also a know fact that in Pakistan more of undocumented
> > > > economic activity happens than documented ones . Right!!!!... Infact
> > >
> > > Probably.
> > >
> > > > Paki govt encourages people not to document their income. The govt
> > >
> > > No, GOP encourages and infact requires people to document their income,
> but
> > > compliance is shoddy.
> > >
> > > > does'nt need the taxes. They are getting enough of donations from the
> > > > Arab world & offcourse not to forget Uncle Bush... Hahahahaha
> > > > >
> > > > > > 4) All this information is easily available if you read one
> newspaper
> > > > > > everyday.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hahahahaha. You are funny, a stand up comedian. You can't learn
> > > financial
> > > > > accounting by reading newspapers.
> > > >
> > > > # It really does'nt matter Seeker from where I learn my financial
> > > > accounting . What matters is that I know it right :-)
> > >
> > > You don't
> >
> > @@@ well till now you have not been able prove anything, pull out any
>
> I am not trying to prove anything it is you who is trying to prove that
> India is a better country than Pakistan. So far you have not proven that at
> all.
>
> > logical statement that the data published is wrong except for be a cry
> > baby & say YOU ARE WRONG . Either discuss this in rational form or
> > accept defeat
>
> What defeat? You don't even know the basics about the subject and you want
> to carry on a debate. If you show me some semblance that you have a little
> knowledge of the subject, I will discuss it with you, but so far you have
> shown no understanding of the subject.
>
> It would be like me discussing Swahili with you. I know nothing about
> Swahili just like you know nothing about financial accounting.

$$$ Atleast try to teach me Swahili. And so far you have shown zero
knowledge on the subject..

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 10:27 pm
From: "baani"

gunjan.ghai@gmail.com wrote:

Can you for once show us some neutral opinion in the world that
> bolsters your claim ? Or do you want to keep the discussion purely
> poetic ? If Pakistan has so much wealth, there must be something online
> to prove it.....can you please show us something ?
>

Gunjan,

I think its a good idea.. Lets start discussing poems with Seeker. Here
goes my first one:

Star Light,Star Bright,O Moon Light
I wish I May,I wish I might
I wish Seeker
May see some sense tonight

gunjan.ghai@gmail.com wrote:

> Seeker
>
> Exactly my point....I am waiting for you to present data...you are only
> diagreeing with everything...If you are so confident you are right,
> then show us SOME information which can prove that Pakistanis are
> richer and better off than Indians. Think of it as an attempt to teach
> the truth to your kaffir neighbours ;-)
>
> Also - on your SSG - I found information online....you disputed the
> wikipedia post....then I presented you pakdef.com (which is managed by
> Pakistani army/navy/airforce personnel and is full of jingoistic
> diatribes against India)....where they have accepted the failure of
> SSG....you have NOT RESPONDED to that either.
>
> Can you for once show us some neutral opinion in the world that
> bolsters your claim ? Or do you want to keep the discussion purely
> poetic ? If Pakistan has so much wealth, there must be something online
> to prove it.....can you please show us something ?
>
> I can predict your response now - 'I dont need to present data because
> its you and baani who are trying to prove a point and the onus of proof
> is on you'.....Well....to me...thats like sucking your thumb and
> sulking in a corner.....very paki like ;-)

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TOPIC: Refuting "commonsense" on love and experience
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/1fe0e4d99b5c5d2b
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 1:28 am
From: bob

On 11 Apr 2006 11:20:28 -0700, ibshambat2004@hotmail.com wrote:

>Second is the idea that one has to have one's life in order before he
>can do anything good for anyone else. In fact, a person with the
>highest variety of emotional states is going to find it hardest to have
>a stable existence (if he were even to want such a thing as a stable
>existence) - but, because of the variety of emotional states that he
>experiences, he has the most wisdom to offer others.

buhahahahahaha

Ilya, if you weren't such a freak I'd ask my 12 year old to work with
you for a while. My 17 year old daughter is on to bigger and better
things (she thinks you are a wacko) but my son might consider it
worthwhile to spend some time helping you figure a few things out.

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TOPIC: Cuban-Americans and Cuban-American Supporters in the Bush
Administration
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2c737350e20cd17b
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 1:12 am
From: "PM"

Cuban-Americans and Cuban-American Supporters in the Bush Administration
From: "Felix Varela" abajoconcastro@hotmail.com

(25 Mar 06) This was sent to us by a reader/supporter:

Cuban-Americans and Cuban-American Supporters in the Bush Administration and Washington, DC that may be involved in U.S./Cuba policy issues (in alphabetical order but last name).

We ask, with all these powerful, mostly Republicans in Washington, how can the Cuba issue not be resolved five years into a Republican Administration?

View the list at: http://westernhemispherepolicywatch.blogspot.com/

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Scanned by Norton Internet Security Professional.
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CUBA HOY, LA REALIDAD SIN PALABRAS:
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HOSPITALES EN CUBA:
http://www.netforcubaenespanol.org/Enfoque/0035-SaludPublica-Cuba.htm

Try living in a country controlled by a mad old man that is stuck in the
cold war:
www.cubaverdad.net

http://ctp.iccas.miami.edu/
http://galeon.hispavista.com/cienfuegoscuba/Fotos_2005.htm

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TOPIC: World War III NEWS, Tuesday, April 11th, 2006 AD....Bush's "Nuclear
Option"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e7dc73ae8d2b8475
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 12:27 am
From: "\(Arcanus - UOSanctuary.com\)"

"K Miller" <miller#k@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> Working towards the Final Act of the Play. (As has been written in
> the Stars many Years Ago).
>
> William Shakespeare would have 'Wished' that he could have written
> out a PLAY with such a Grand Finale !!!

So true. So very true. And yet people still believe that there is no GOD.

>
> I guess this might just 'secure' GWB's place in history (right up
> there with Hitler and Napoleon) !!!
> [But don't be hastily to Judge.]
>
> For the Demon of the Final Act is still "Yet Waiting In The Wings".
> [Waiting for Act Four to 'Unfold' before he makes his Grand
> Appearance.]
>
> All Great Venetian Plays always had an Act Four !!!
>
> There is still one more character to emerge before the Play is
> COMPLETE.
>
> This is not a speculation (but a PROMISE !!!)
>
> :-o
>
>

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TOPIC: Black Scholar Fearz Future of Young Black Men
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2e5f10360af7e066
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 10:41 pm
From: Voice Of Reason <>

On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 12:36:35 -0700, Von Bailey
<ovbailey@noneofyourbusiness.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 21:41:40 -0400, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:57:41 -0700, Von Bailey
>><ovbailey@noneofyourbusiness.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 23:05:52 -0400, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
>>>
>>>>gOn Sat, 08 Apr 2006 15:44:57 -0700, Von Bailey
>>>><ovbailey@noneofyourbusiness.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 11:20:38 -0400, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060326/FEATURES/603260683
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Scholar fears future of young black men
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Every time I see these young black men walking up and down the
>>>>>>streets with these funny clothes on, I could just scream. I feel so
>>>>>>bad. So bad," said Franklin in a telephone interview from his office
>>>>>>in North Carolina.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Imagine his reaction if he saw the lyrcis to a typical cRap song.
>>>>>
>>>>>Typical of you to take the man's words out of context for your pitiful
>>>>>war on Rap. He says what he blames for the condition that he
>>>>>observes.
>>>>>
>>>>>"...he faults millionaire sports and entertainment figures for not
>>>>>giving a hand to those struggling to make it -- and the white majority
>>>>>as well. The economy plays a huge role -- a minimum wage that supports
>>>>>no one -- as does a political system that continues to ignore the
>>>>>realities of black social and economic status. And the United States
>>>>>has a long history of exploiting not only its natural resources but
>>>>>its human resources as well."
>>>>>_________________________________
>>>>
>>>>Actually, it is YOU who is quoting him out of context (your typical MO
>>>>here). He does NOT suggest anywhere that young black men are wearing
>>>>"funny clothes" due to economics or millionaires or white folks at
>>>>all. He knows, what everyone except you seems to know, is they dress
>>>>themselves in the morning, no one else is responsible. He makes it
>>>>quite clear that the mere sight of that sickens him.
>>>>
>>>Your pitiful diatribe assumes that his issue was that they were
>>>wearing funny clothes instead of having no viable prospects in this
>>>country.
>>
>>No, it doesn't "assume" anything at all, since we have a *direct
>>quote* from Mr Franklin. We KNOW how he feels about the "funny"
>>fashions in the hood -- well, most of us except you do know.
>>
>Really? What part of his statement referenced rap? That's where you
>brought it with your comment on what HE would think about rap music if
>he saw the "lyrcis".

A hypothetical scenario. Did you notice the word "imagine" prefixing
the rest of the sentence?

>My quote about his feelings about the condition
>come from the article YOU posted. Where are his feeling about rap in
>the article? Or are you so in touch with black men that you know what
>he would feel?

It seems clear enough that since he agrees with many, many people
today (including many thoughtful blacks) that young black men do
indeed dress "funny", he would certainly recoil when asked about cRap
music, especially its lyrics.

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TOPIC: Pimping Da Oscarz
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f989acbec3d530be
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 10:44 pm
From: Voice Of Reason <>

On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 12:31:21 -0700, Von Bailey
<ovbailey@noneofyourbusiness.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 17:56:56 -0400, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:35:38 -0700, Von Bailey
>><ovbailey@noneofyourbusiness.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 12:14:48 -0400, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Thu, 02 Mar 2006 23:41:10 -0500, Voice Of Reason <> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, looks like the Oscar producers are going down to the `hood in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>miguided effort to pump up its ratings. Has ABC forgotten the Janet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jackson debacle so soon?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>That's where the white guy illegally tore off her clothes on national
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>televeision and got away with it. What about it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Geez, ya *really* are naive if ya don't think that stunt was scripted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in advance. Like pro wrestling. Nothing "illegal" about it (only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>unethical and immoral), so there was nothing for the "white guy" to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"get away with".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You have some evidence besides your bigotted assumpitons that it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>'scripted'?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Because these enterntainers are too disciplined after years of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>training to do something spontaneous on national TV, especially
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>something risque. Does the term "rehersal" mean anything to ya?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>None of which is evidence, just more of your stupid assumptions being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>paraded as facts by you, the factually handicapped.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I think yer talking to the mirror now, as I have already given you the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>most important *fact* you need to understand when dealing with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>entertainers who make those fabulous buck$ -- they don't jeopardize
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>their acts by doing something that hadn't been planned and rehearsed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>That isn't a fact, that's your opinion that you have decided referrs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to an entire group of people. The usual habit of bigots, generalizing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to support their stupid assumptions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You deny that entertainers reherse ahead of time what they are going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to do when the cameras are rolling?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Not relevant to whether something unrehersed could occur during the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>act, which is what everyone involved said. So whatever point you were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>attempting to make simply state it and back it up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Actually they claimed it was a "wardrobe malfunction", whatever THAT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is supposed to mean. Which is WHY entertainers always rehearse ahead
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of time, in an attempt to minimize the unexpected.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Which makes the stupid assumption that things cannot happen that you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>don't rehearse for. That would be WRONG, but you have no problem
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>making such stupid assumptions when black people are involved all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>time so why stop now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>No, of course the unexpected can happen. Which is precisely WHY good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>entertainers rehearse their acts frequently. Like hand movements,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>for example, like reaching out and grabbing one's singing partner.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>So the person who's job it was to grab the singing partner screwed up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>his part. She didn't have control over what his hands did HE did. So
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>if anyone did something purposely wrong in the live performance it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HIM.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Except that at rehersal time, she could have said "no".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Which is only relevent if you have evidence that it was rehersed. You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>don't. Just more stuff you 'believe' without a shred of evidence to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>back it up, as usual.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>You really persist in wallowing in ignorance. It's sad, but not
>>>>>>>>>>>>really surprising.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>So you don't have evidence to back up your claims. I didn't think so.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Wrong, the evidence is all over this thread. Open your eyes, and your
>>>>>>>>>>mind, read carefully all that I have said, and start thinking this
>>>>>>>>>>through.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You lying about evidence doesn't make it so. You haven't presented
>>>>>>>>>any evidence at all, just a bunch of assumptions based on your
>>>>>>>>>bigotted notions about a black woman.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What "bigotted assumptions" did I make here?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That she was responsible for the event and the white guy who actually
>>>>>>>tore off her clothing isn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In what way did I inject race into this? Specifics please.
>>>>>>
>>>>>I didn't say you did. Another one of your pitiful red herrings. But
>>>>>your inability to give the white guy responsibility for what his hands
>>>>>did (somehow Ms. Jackson controlled his hands in a way you can't
>>>>>explain) shows a bias.
>>>>
>>>>Because in the end Jackson had veto power and she evidently failed to
>>>>use it.
>>>>
>>>You still haven't explained how this 'veto power' was to control the
>>>white man's hands who actually tore off the clothing. Was she
>>>controling his mind? HE not she pulled the clothing off. HOW was she
>>>to stop him from doing it?
>>
>>Wrong, I have explained all this several times already. If you
>>haven't grasped this by now, I suggest you enroll in a reading
>>comprehension class at your local adult school. Pronto.
>>
>Saying that things are rehersed is not evidence that Janet Jackson had
>control over what Justin Timberlake did on that stage.

Did she ever claim that he did this without any warning?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Not when on national TV, in this case, the Super Bowl half time show,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>watched by possibly hundreds of millions world-wide.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>And you have still not presented a shred of evidence that it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>scripted. None. You assume and rant as usual.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Now if I told ya there were 24 hours to a day, you would probably want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>proof, even though you know it to be true.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Your irrelevant comparison has not changed the fact that you have not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>presented a shred of evidence that it was scripted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Can ya prove otherwise?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't have to. YOU are the one claiming specifics of which YOU have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>no evidence to back up. You are simply providing one of your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>pitifully sorry reflexive responses again when you have NOTHING to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>back up what you say, "CAN YOU PROVE OTHERWISE" as if not being able
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to demonstrate that your assumptions are wrong prove them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wrong I've provided all the evidence you need.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Liar. And what's so amazing is that all anyone has to do is read the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>thread and they will see that you haven't done anything except put
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>forth that you BELIEVE she purposely had HIM pull off a part of her
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>garment. NO EVIDENCE just what you believe.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wrong, I explained why all but the stupidest of performers would never
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>do anything without working it out in advance during rehersals, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is what they are for. Well, OK, maybe these 2 clowns aren't the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sharpest knives in the drawer, so maybe there is a long shot you might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>be right.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>You *claiming* you've 'explained' something is not "evidence". So we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>are back to your baseless assumptions again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Wrong, the evidence is in the explanation. Open your eyes, and your
>>>>>>>>>>>>mind too, and go back and read again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>An 'explanation' is not 'evidence'. Again you don't know the meaning
>>>>>>>>>>>of the words you use thus confusing conversation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>In this case it is, since no performer worth more than a dime would
>>>>>>>>>>ever go on national TV with rehearsing it beforehand. Ever.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Which doesn't in the least make Ms. Jackson culpable for the actions
>>>>>>>>>of another person tearing off her clothes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It does if she agreed to it ahead of time. And he *didn't* tear off
>>>>>>>>here clothes, only loosened one strap.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You have evidence that she agreed to it ahead of time? No, you don't,
>>>>>>>it's just another on of the many assumptions you base most of what you
>>>>>>>say on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I gave you plenty of evidence on this already.
>>>>>
>>>>>That's a lie. You have given your *opinion* about Ms. Jackson and the
>>>>>entertainment industry. You have given NO evidence related to the
>>>>>event at all.
>>>>
>>>>Wrong twice. There is plenty of well-documented evidence about the
>>>>kind of family that Ms Jackson comes from. And anyone who has even
>>>>done one show for TV will tell you about rehersals.
>>>>
>>>Neither of which is evidence towards the event in discussion, just
>>>stuff you wish to use to speculate. Speculation is not evidence.
>>
>>No, but facts *are*, and I just presented 2 of them.
>>
>That's a lie. Opinions are not facts and all you've offered are
>opinions based on your biased POV.

Wrong, I gave you 2 *facts*. What is an "opinion" about either?

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Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 10:31 pm
From: "PM"

El concepto de Izquierda surgió con los Jacobinos, porque se sentaban en el lado izquierdo del Parlamento Francés, y ellos fueron parte de lo que después se conoció como la burguesía, en ese tiempo era una clase revolucionaria y de cambios, pero hoy en día es una clase recalcitrante y atrasada. El termino volvió a ser usado por Lenin y los Bolcheviques en especial en su obra 'El infatilismo de izquierda........", pero Marx y Engels no pueden ser considerado como parte de la izquierda, porque el termino es sinónimo de reformismo, y ambos eran revolucionarios que abogaban por una nueva sociedad, que surgiría de las entrañas del capitalismo ( no del feudalismo ) sin estado, sin clases y sin sistema monetario, creada por la mayoría de la clase trabajadora, no por el líder, ni el partido, de por si los Bolcheviques y Sovieticos simplemente fueron reformadores del capitalismo, como hoy en dia los izquierdistas son reformadores, estatistas, seguidores de lideres, militares, y llaman socialismo al capitalismo de estado.La revolución Bolchevique fue una revolución anti-feudalista, no fue una revolución anti-capitalista, porque el capitalismo no prevalecia en Rusia, también no fue un movimiento total de los trabajadores, solo representaba un 5% de la clase trabajadora, y se impusieron por encima de la mayoría, aunque Lenin trato de demostrar en su obra el "Capitalismo en Rusia", que si existia, pero no era predominante, lo que predominaba en Rusia era la pequeña producción, y el campesinado, el proletariado industrial era una capa muy infima, aun mas, Rusia fue la ultima nacion Europa en tener una revolucion burguesa que tuvo lugar en el 1905, al igual que la revolucion Bolchevique fue una revolucion burguesa, pero sin la burguesia, la burguesia surgio despues, desde las esferas del estado.

On 4/15/06, Diego de Villaroel wrote:
Hola,

Qué fácil es hacer estudios y carnavales de opereta buscando antisemitismo entre los pensadores de la izquierda. Lo único cierto es que el antisemistsmo tiene raices cristianas y católicas muy profundas, y da la casualidad de que la izquierda no comulga con las ideas de la religión. La Iglesia Católica fue antisemita en el pasado. En la España de los Reyes Católicos se expulsó a los Judios, aunque no fue por antisemitismo sino porque los Reyes Católicos sabían que no conseguirían la Unidad de España con los judíos en connivencia con los árabes (cómo cambian los tiempos). Lutero, el gran reformador de la Iglesia protestante afirmaba que los Judios son la esencia del mal, y de este reformador religioso las ideas antisemitas se propagaraon por toda Europa. Para muestra una joya del pensamiento de Martin Lutero hablando de los judíos : "El sol nunca ha brillado en personas tan sanguinarias y vengativas que acarician la idea de asesinar y estrangular al pagano. Ningún otro hombre bajo el sol es más ávido de lo que ellos han sido, y siempre serán. Ahogan y destruyen al resto de la humanidad y se consideran, sobre esta base, ser el pueblo elegido de Dios"

Lutero no era de Izquierda, ni los Reyes Católicos. Más modernamente la principal función que los judios han tenido que asumir incrustados en las diferentes sociedades occidentales ha sido la de "Chivos Expiatorios". El caldo de cultivo antisemita de los años treinta fué el "crack" de la bolsa estadounidense de 1929 con la crisis que provocó a nivel económico y que como siempre los más habiles supieron canalizar todo ese malestar contra los judíos como últimos responsables, pero eso sucedía en sociedades capitalistas, no en sociedades donde gobernaba La Izquierda. La Derecha y su complicidad histórica con la Iglesia Católica deberían hacer un acto de contricción para ver hasta qué punto todo este antisemitismo del siglo pasado no fué debidamente propiciado por ellos mismos.

Saludos,

Diego

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El antisemitismo y la izquierda
(Agencias).- Es tal el volumen de pruebas que acreditan la relación entre el antisemitismo y la estrategia general de las izquierdas, a través de prácticamente todas sus «generaciones», que resulta difícil ordenar el trabajo intelectual y no quedar desbordado.
Fue Barcepundit quien nos alertó en su blog de la existencia en la Red de Eduardo Robredo, en cuyo blog -Una máquina de Coca-Cola en el Reichstag- aparece este artículo:

Uno de los autores más interesantes para rastrear la genealogía judeófoba de la izquierda es Roger Garaudy (1913-). Este ex militante de Acción Católica engrosó las filas del Partido Comunista Francés y llegó a doctorarse en la Universidad de Moscú con una tesis sobre la teoría materialista de la conciencia.

Tras pasar por Mayo del 68, aquella fábrica de suicidas y de registradores de la propiedad, en 1982 se convierte finalmente al Islam, «la más ecuménica de las religiones ».

Las ideas de Garaudy han llegado lejos, y su «diálogo de civilizaciones» ha sido transformado en la «alianza de las civilizaciones» que abandera hoy nuestro presidente Rodríguez.

Garaudy es un evocador de las «ocasiones perdidas» de la Historia:

«el genocidio de los indios americanos, la trata de negros que aniquiló a 100 millones de africanos, el colonialismo y sus secuelas, la ignorancia de las riquísimas culturas y civilizaciones no occidentales».

Imposible no encontrar aquí los mismos aires de familia que atraviesan las críticas anti-imperialistas y anti-capitalistas del presente.

Un nuevo yihadismo político invade Europa o, como asegura Orianna Fallaci : Eurabia.

Pese al respeto hacia las «religiones del libro» que invocan los musulmanes más tolerantes, no hay duda de que el antisemitismo y el antisionismo configura una parte esencial en el quehacer del nuevo Imperio Islamista; un imperio que, en España, pasará ante todo por la recuperación del «legado andalusí» y aquel en buena medida mítico pasado de las «tres culturas».

Alan Finkielkraut analiza en En el nombre del otro (Seix Barral) la evolución del antisemitismo europeo, señalando el cambio del proletario por el musulmán, en cuanto sujetos renovados de la opresión capitalista-sionista y de la lucha de clases.

Este planteamiento no es incoherente con la tradición de la izquierda comunista. El judaísmo ya había sido considerado, en el análisis marxista clásico, como una especie de antecedente religioso del capitalismo.

Carlos Marx habría sido el pensador judío «anti-judío» por excelencia, como apunta el historiador Paul Johnson.

Es cierto que los marxistas científicos nunca apelarían a la «fe de los pueblos», o a la «crítica del logocentrismo» occidental, ni rechazarían en bloque las estrategias del colonialismo (sobre todo cuando son ellos los colonos), pero no cabe duda de que existe una relación genética y esencial entre el pensamiento anti-capitalista marxista, las izquierdas y el antisemitismo.

El presente apunta, en efecto, hacia una «nueva forma de rechazo» del judío, por mucho que este antisemitismo de supuesto nuevo cuño se guarde mucho del estigma racista (Chomsky , Saramago...) al pretender concentrarse en la crítica del sionismo y del Estado de Israel.

En una tradición, por cierto, que no dejaría de suscribir el propio Lenin:

«Quien quiera que directa o indirectamente proponga el lema de una cultura nacional judía es un enemigo del proletariado, un partidario de lo antiguo y de la posición de casta de los judíos, un cómplice de los rabinos y de los burgueses».

Entre el comunismo, el izquierdismo y el antisemitismo existe un lazo difícil de romper.

El Socialismo Revolucionario no da comienzo ex novo con Marx y Engels como a los marxistas les agrada pensar. Por el contrario, arraiga en una prolongada y secular tradición que incluye no sólo a los « socialistas utópicos» contra los que tanta ira malgastara el propio Marx (como si él mismo no fuera un utópico), sino a los socialistas ricardianos (con los cuales Marx contraerá una deuda jamás pagada) o a los intelectuales radicales judíos al estilo de Heine para el que la «libertad es la nueva religión», «los franceses son el pueblo elegido» y «París es la nueva Jerusalén».

Uno de los jóvenes «judíos» que desarrollarán este socialismo revolucionario es Carlos Marx, que llega a París en 1843.

Marx, es verdad, carece de educación judía, y no sólo es que jamás se molestara en adquirirla, sino que no mostró la menor sensibilidad por los problemas sufridos por los judíos europeos de su tiempo:

«Los judíos de Polonia son la más sucia de todas las razas».

¡Menudas perlas! Ahora bien, pese a que Marx recoge y amplía la metáfora de Heine, en el sentido de que la religión vendría a ser una especie de «opio espiritual», en realidad sólo forzando mucho la historia podría considerarse al poeta judeo-alemán una especie de « Juan Bautista» del marxismo.

Parece que Marx reprochaba a Heine, con su característica delicadeza:

«Renuncia a esos eternos lamentos acerca del amor y muestra a los poetas líricos como debe hacerse: con el látigo».

Pues bien, Marx no sólo habría asumido plenamente la teoría hegeliana sobre el progreso del espíritu (si bien «dándole la vuelta del revés») sino que, en opinión de Paul Johnson , la propia teoría marxista no sería mucho más que un «astuto fragmento de superstición judía».

Sin duda esta es una exageración retórica, pero no tan falta de verdad como quisieran los partidarios del «corte epistemológico» al estilo de Althusser y socios. Y ello porque el marxismo no es; digámoslo claramente- ninguna « ciencia rigurosa» libre de ideología. Si hablamos de ideologías, ¿acaso el «obrerismo» no es también una ideología, como bien señalaba Schumpeter?

Aunque el recuerdo de estas relaciones y geneaologías resulta molesto para los afines al socialismo, hay que decir que dentro del marxismo «científico» laten no pocos elementos originarios de la apocalíptica y el mesianismo judíos (y cristianos). La propia doctrina marxiana sobre el gobierno descansa en una noción inequívocamente catedocrática, en la cual el partido aparece, sobre todo a partir de Lenin, como «vanguardia» del proletariado.

Además, la metodología de investigación que sigue Marx durante toda su vida es de estirpe claramente rabínica. El de Tréveris nunca visitó una fábrica e incluso llegó a considerarse a sí mismo una especie de « máquina condenada a devorar libros».

La ascendencia anti-judía del pensamiento marxiano no es ninguna casualidad.

Tampoco es esto cosa de la «petit historie» o del anecdotario biográfico, sino, en el análisis de Johnson, una clave fundamental para comprender el cuerpo teórico del marxismo y su evolución posterior hacia un socialismo presuntamente « científico» del cual se quiere deducir nada menos que una teoría emancipatoria para toda la humanidad. Es normal que, ante una iniciativa semejante, nos tomemos la molestia de someter la propuesta a la confrontación racional.

Muchos hemos comprendido ya que el comunismo marxiano es, en realidad, un subproducto filosófico del antisemitismo. El mismo Bruno Bauer, líder anti-semita de la izquierda hegeliana, predicó la renuncia de los judíos al judaísmo en nombre de la «liberación humana» de la religión y de la « tiranía estatal» (Marx era sólo «estatista» en la medida en que deseaba cargarse finalmente al Estado).

La «cuestión judía» ocupa, según esto, un lugar central dentro del análisis socialista «científico»:

«el judío determina el destino de todo el imperio (austríaco) con su poder monetario y decide el destino de Europa».

El Mal es, para Marx, de carácter esencialmente social y económico; y los judíos habrían sido nada menos que los principales culpables de contagiar esta religión « práctica» del dinero a toda la sociedad:

«El dinero es la esencia alienada del trabajo y la existencia del hombre».

Hay, pues, que «imposibilitar la existencia del judío» (como tal judío). La emancipación de la humanidad empieza por la emancipación de los judíos, es decir, del dinero.

El judío arquetípico es paulatinamente sustituído por el capitalista arquetípico; figura de contornos sombríos, encarnación humana del mal que roba la verdadera esencia del trabajo y el alma del mundo.

Junto con el reconocimiento del papel revolucionario de la burguesía, Marx siempre consideró el comercio y las finanzas «burguesas» como actividades más bien «parasitarias». De la misma forma, el arquetipo del usurero casaba a la perfección con el judío avaro y errante.

¿Constituye el marxismo una novedad absoluta? No. Este pensamiento no es nada extraño a la tradición romántica y de la sozialpolitik que consolida Bismark, cuyos ideales de «organización» serán retomados por el socialismo de guerra ( Ludendorff) y más tarde por la «planificación» comunista.

Un fino hilo conduce del socialismo al comunismo, y de este, al fascismo.

Otra prueba favorable a la relación entre izquierdismo (comunismo, en este caso) y antisemitismo la encontramos en el origen de la teoría leninista del imperialismo.

J. A. Hobson era un periodista de Manchester Guardian que escribió Estudio del imperialismo, en el que revelaba el papel del «capital financiero internacional» como agente principal del colonialismo y la guerra:

«¿Acaso alguien supone seriamente que es posible que un estado europeo libre emprenda una grn guerra o que emita un gran empréstito estatal si la casa Rotschild y sus relaciones se oponen?».

Estas teorías conspirativas y anti-colonialistas, que ponían al judío en el centro de la diana, fueron bien digeridas por Lenin, autor en 1916 de El imperialismo, fase superior del capitalismo. Por supuesto, la realidad histórica se ajustaba muy poco a las versiones de Hobson o de Lenin. En realidad, como ha puesto de manifiesto Schumpeter, es en los tiempos de paz cuando mejor puede desarrollarse esa cosa llamada « capitalismo».

Pero ¿a quién le importa comprender la realidad cuando de lo que se trata es de revolucionarla?

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Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/ave26/index.htm 26
Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/ave11/index.htm 11
Avenida
http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/presidentes/index.htm
de los Presidentes
Rancho http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/rancho/index.htm
Boyeros
Monserrate
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Empedrado http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/empedrado/index.htm
Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/puerto/index.htm del
Puerto
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TOPIC: Government Goons Murder Puppies
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d5d011b0e073077d
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 9:09 pm
From: comadreja

In article <r7KdnW_txronJdzZnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
SgtMinor <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid> wrote:

> comadreja wrote:
>
> > In article <eJOdnXfG7PznENzZRVn-qg@comcast.com>,
> > SgtMinor <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>To give you an idea of the size of the operation, the raid netted a pound
> >>
> >>>of pot and a quarter of a pound of crack. They arrested 11 people in that
> >>>apartment when the bust went down, and between them they had seven pistols.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Wow, a whole pound of marijuana, and 4 ounces of crack. Yes sir,
> >>that certainly justified ninety cops busting in the doors of
> >>mostly innocent people asleep in their beds.
> >>
> >>That's a net win of five grams of weed and one-and-a-half grams of
> >>crack per cop. A great return on investment.
> >
> >
> > Four ounces of crack equals 110-115 grams. Which equals around
> > 110-115 hits, depending on the price, let's say twenty dollars per gram
> > probably more, that is around twenty two hundred to twenty three hundred
> > dollars. Along with seven guns and a a pound of pot is worth at least
> > two thousand, that shows that whoever apartment was raided, they weren't
> > keeping this for home use.
>
> What would be the "worth" of this stuff if there were no laws to
> prohibit it? Are you aware of any underground trafficking in
> dried celery, nutmeg or pepper?

Once upon a time, countries would enslave races, slaughter innocent
people, built empires on slaves and indentured servants, fought
countless war to get to coveted spices like nutmeg, cinnamon, cloves.
The word "Salary" is derived from the "Salt", which showed that before
refrigeration, what was essential in any household. So yes, if they are
rare, people will coveted and pay a high price to put nutmeg on their
pumpkin pie.

>
> It is to the advantage of the ruling classes to outlaw as many
> normal human behaviors as they can get away with. And with zero
> tolerance, beware. As I suggested elsewhere in this post, if you
> carry US currency, you carry cocaine.

There is also a river in Northern Italy that has high amount cocaine in
the water, but because demand makes it high, doesn't make it right, or
less evil drug, or the evilness that comes in its production. Columbia
doesn't have the highest murder rate in the world out of the blue.
>
> As far as the math goes, let's say there was 5400 dollars worth of
> stuff, it would still be only 60 bucks per cop. And it would
> accomplish nothing except getting a whole bunch of innocent people
> mad as hell.

Eleven arrest, and seven guns, four ounces of crack, a pound of pot,
which isn't exactly a small amount. Perhaps, some people were in the
wrong place at the wrong time, but it seems they caught someone up to no
good. Anyway, Drug dealers aren't known for their Gandhi like ways.
SWAT teams have to use overwhelming force in raids like this, in close
quarters, the last thing anyone wants is an uncontrolled gun battle in
close quarters with alot of other people in the area. Personally I
think SWAT teams should have more firepower, and there should be
restrictive laws on hollow point bullets and teflon coated bullets to
the general public.
>
> Is this really a legal matter? Did we learn anything from
> Prohibition? By outlawing, and policing this market we increase
> transaction costs, thereby raising prices. This invites criminal
> activity, some of which takes place within, and corrupts, the system.
>

I think some drug laws need to be reformed, especially ones
concerning cannabis. I am even for some strict regulation of heroin,
rather than its outright ban in the US, because heroin metabolizes into
morphine in the body, and there are some many opium derivatives strictly
controlled but legal. Fentanyl is a schedule II substance, which is more
powerful than heroin for example. However, I draw the line with
cocaine. The cartels that control it are evil organizations, and there
should nothing to legitimize them.

Even if heroin and cocaine were made legal, the cartels that control
them will still be as territorial, violent and a law on themselves. The
end of prohibition didn't get rid of the mafia, they just went into
other markets like heroin and prostitution.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 12:15 am
From: SgtMinor

comadreja wrote:
> In article <r7KdnW_txronJdzZnZ2dnUVZ_uqdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> SgtMinor <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>comadreja wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <eJOdnXfG7PznENzZRVn-qg@comcast.com>,
>>> SgtMinor <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>To give you an idea of the size of the operation, the raid netted a pound
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>of pot and a quarter of a pound of crack. They arrested 11 people in that
>>>>>apartment when the bust went down, and between them they had seven pistols.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Wow, a whole pound of marijuana, and 4 ounces of crack. Yes sir,
>>>>that certainly justified ninety cops busting in the doors of
>>>>mostly innocent people asleep in their beds.
>>>>
>>>>That's a net win of five grams of weed and one-and-a-half grams of
>>>>crack per cop. A great return on investment.
>>>
>>>
>>> Four ounces of crack equals 110-115 grams. Which equals around
>>>110-115 hits, depending on the price, let's say twenty dollars per gram
>>>probably more, that is around twenty two hundred to twenty three hundred
>>>dollars. Along with seven guns and a a pound of pot is worth at least
>>>two thousand, that shows that whoever apartment was raided, they weren't
>>>keeping this for home use.
>>
>>What would be the "worth" of this stuff if there were no laws to
>>prohibit it? Are you aware of any underground trafficking in
>>dried celery, nutmeg or pepper?
>
>
> Once upon a time, countries would enslave races, slaughter innocent
> people, built empires on slaves and indentured servants, fought
> countless war to get to coveted spices like nutmeg, cinnamon, cloves.
> The word "Salary" is derived from the "Salt", which showed that before
> refrigeration, what was essential in any household. So yes, if they are
> rare, people will coveted and pay a high price to put nutmeg on their
> pumpkin pie.
>
>
>
>>It is to the advantage of the ruling classes to outlaw as many
>>normal human behaviors as they can get away with. And with zero
>>tolerance, beware. As I suggested elsewhere in this post, if you
>>carry US currency, you carry cocaine.
>
>
> There is also a river in Northern Italy that has high amount cocaine in
> the water, but because demand makes it high, doesn't make it right, or
> less evil drug, or the evilness that comes in its production. Columbia
> doesn't have the highest murder rate in the world out of the blue.
>
>>As far as the math goes, let's say there was 5400 dollars worth of
>>stuff, it would still be only 60 bucks per cop. And it would
>>accomplish nothing except getting a whole bunch of innocent people
>>mad as hell.
>
>
> Eleven arrest, and seven guns, four ounces of crack, a pound of pot,
> which isn't exactly a small amount. Perhaps, some people were in the
> wrong place at the wrong time, but it seems they caught someone up to no
> good. Anyway, Drug dealers aren't known for their Gandhi like ways.
> SWAT teams have to use overwhelming force in raids like this, in close
> quarters, the last thing anyone wants is an uncontrolled gun battle in
> close quarters with alot of other people in the area. Personally I
> think SWAT teams should have more firepower, and there should be
> restrictive laws on hollow point bullets and teflon coated bullets to
> the general public.
>
>>Is this really a legal matter? Did we learn anything from
>>Prohibition? By outlawing, and policing this market we increase
>>transaction costs, thereby raising prices. This invites criminal
>>activity, some of which takes place within, and corrupts, the system.
>>
>
>
> I think some drug laws need to be reformed, especially ones
> concerning cannabis. I am even for some strict regulation of heroin,
> rather than its outright ban in the US, because heroin metabolizes into
> morphine in the body, and there are some many opium derivatives strictly
> controlled but legal. Fentanyl is a schedule II substance, which is more
> powerful than heroin for example. However, I draw the line with
> cocaine. The cartels that control it are evil organizations, and there
> should nothing to legitimize them.
>
> Even if heroin and cocaine were made legal, the cartels that control
> them will still be as territorial, violent and a law on themselves. The
> end of prohibition didn't get rid of the mafia, they just went into
> other markets like heroin and prostitution.

Look at what you are saying! You are making my point and you
don't even realize it. The mafia is drawn to areas where high
profits exist. These high profits come about only because society
makes the trade in the item illegal. Outlaw tomatoes, and
tomorrow you'll be paying ten bucks a piece. Why shouldn't people
be able to buy sex or heroin?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 4:24 am
From: "Bo Raxo"

"SgtMinor" <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid> wrote in message
news:w6mdnfLlcKNTWdzZnZ2dnUVZ_vOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
> Look at what you are saying! You are making my point and you
> don't even realize it. The mafia is drawn to areas where high
> profits exist. These high profits come about only because society
> makes the trade in the item illegal. Outlaw tomatoes, and
> tomorrow you'll be paying ten bucks a piece. Why shouldn't people
> be able to buy sex or heroin?

I have to agree there. The profits trafficking (in sex or drugs) generates
for criminal enterprises is the real harm in these things. That arises not
intrinsically from the thing being bought, but by the artificial depression
of supply caused by law enforcement targeting supply. It's basic economics.

If you want to crack down on these things, you must target demand: severe
penalties for users/buyers. In my opinion, it's clear we aren't prepared to
do that, and frankly I don't see a whole lot of societal benefit in stopping
people from getting hammered - it's a practice older than human history. So
why bother?

Decriminalize all of it, regulate it, tax it, monitor it, keep it away from
kids as best we can. If much of the predisposition towards addiction is
genetic, then Darwinian forces will cull most of that out of the
reproductive pool in a dozen generations, if not less. The remaining humans
will be people who can handle their shit, and no when to stop.

Bo Raxo

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TOPIC: LAS TORTURAS DE CASTRO Los invitamos a que vean este programa en la web
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http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6d0f898e2592d787
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 11:56 pm
From: "PM"

LAS TORTURAS DE CASTRO

Los invitamos a que vean este programa en la web utilizando el siguiente link:

www.canf.org/2006/video/2006-abr-12-las-torturas-de-castro.htm

Queridos amigos(as) :

En el dia de ayer el programa "A Mano Limpia" que conduce Oscar Haza en su horario habitual de 8 a 9 pm por el Canal 41 (AméricaTeVe) fue dedicado al tema "Las torturas en Cuba". En el programa se promueve el documental de 1 hora "Las torturas de Castro" realizado por Luis Guardia y Pedro Corzo con muchos testimonios de quienes fueron víctimas de torturas por los genízaros del castrismo. Este documental se estrenará en Miami el próximo domingo. En este programa de ayer comparecieron además Anette Escandón, Evelio Ancheta y el Dr. Gerardo Rodríguez Capote, todos ex-presos políticos, quienes relatan sus experiencias con los verdugos de la tiranía que los sometieron a torturas.

Los invitamos a que vean este programa en la web utilizando el siguiente link:
www.canf.org/2006/video/2006-abr-12-las-torturas-de-castro.htm

Muchas Gracias y un abrazo a todos.
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TOPIC: "A good illegal alien is a dead illegal alien"
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/cdb9b82a348865f7
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 4:15 am
From: Scott Lowther

rorik wrote:

>>(text yanked from PDF):
>>(1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable
>>2 fear of imminent peril of death or bodily injury to himself or
>>3 herself or another when using defensive force that is intended
>>4 or likely to cause death or bodily injury to another if:
>>5 (a) The person against whom the defensive force was
>>6 used had unlawfully or forcibly entered or attempted to enter
>>7 a dwelling, residence, or vehicle or if that person had
>>8 removed or attempted to remove another from the dwelling,
>>9 residence, or vehicle; and
>>10 (b) The person using defensive force knew or had
>>11 reason to believe that an unlawful or forcible entry or
>>12 unlawful or forcible act had occurred.
>>
>>So, in short, a property owner is free to blast away at someone who
>>enters a dwelling, residence, or vehicle unlawfully. "Intrude" would
>>seem to be a reasonable term for this in a conversational setting.
>>
>>
>
>No, the reasonable term for this is "forcible entry."
>
>
Actually, no. Attend: "The person against whom the defensive force was
used had unlawfully or forcibly entered..." Note the "unlawfully OR"
bit. That means someone sneaking into your house through an open
windown, or picking your lock. "Force" is not a requirement.

>
>
>>>Although I suppose if one is seriously concerned about
>>>the illegal alien "problem," the best course might be to pretend that
>>>"beachshark" has it right. Let them start plunking away; then every
>>>time one of "bs"'s buddies takes out an illegal alien, a racist would
>>>also be taken off the streets.
>>>
>>>
>>How do you figure? Are you assuming that anyone who would defend their
>>property against tresspassers or intruders is automatically a racist?
>>
>>
>
>I'm assuming that anyone who equates burglars with illegal immigrants,
>and advocates killing them on sight, is ipso facto a racist, yes.
>
>
Why? Are all illegal aliens of one race, and everyone opposed to illegal
aliens of some other race? If an illegal alien from Sweden breaks into
my home, you bet your ass I'm gonna try to blow his head off. And if
illegal aliens from Sweden were trying to create a separate nation out
of a part of the US (say, turn the northeast into the homeland called
"Vinland") and their plans included the ethnic cleansing of all
non-Swedes, I'd still see them as invaders.

A burglar is someone who goes somewhere he's not legally supposed to and
takes things that are not his to make his life better. How is this
fundamentally differeent from illegal aliens who go soemwhere they
aren't legally supposed to go and take theings that aren't theirs to
make their lives better?

>
>
>>Given that Mexico refuses to extradite any of their citizens for any
>>crime committed in the US if that crime has the potential to carry not
>>only the death sentence, but a *life* sentence, it would seem to make
>>emminant sense to shoot to kill an illegal alien who breaks into your home.
>>
>>
>
>Given that many juvenile court systems in the U.S. are too overburdened
>to process kids charged with non-violent property crimes, would you
>find that to be a good reason to murder any white teenager you catch
>going through the boxes of comic books in your garage?
>
>

I find an invader in my home, they will be staring down the barrel of
one of my weapons. Whether I pull the trigger or not will depend on
their actions, the time of day, my mood and blood sugar level at the
time. It would *not* be murder to pull the trigger, but killing in self
defense. There is quite the difference. "Murder" would be if I chased
the invader out and shot him in the back as he ran down the street.

And we're not talking about some dumbass kid who doesn;t know better, or
soemone who jsut gets lost and wind up on the wrong bit of property...
we're talking about peopel who intentionally and knowingly break the law
to get into someone else's home and to take their stuff.

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TOPIC: "La hora es de afirmar y no negar.De construir y no de destruir."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/674fb83fc88a6578
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 12:07 am
From: "PM"

EXTERMINIO O RENACIMIENTO
"La hora es de afirmar y no negar. De construir y no de destruir."
Valmore Rodríguez

EXTERMINIO
O RENACIMIENTO
¿Qué es hoy no político en Venezuela? El régimen lo ha invadido todo. Todo.
Asfixiando el aliento de la nación con un estrangulamiento ciudadano. Es una
guerra en todos los frentes bajo la protección de una impunidad alimentada
desde Miraflores para nutrir de un odio despiadado la división del país en
dos bandos que ya parecen enemigos a muerte. Vale decir, de un desprecio
absoluto por quien se aparte un paso del pensamiento único que se nos quiere
imponer a sangre y fuego desde las alturas de un poder político que se ceba
de su propia codicia.
Desde que Chávez advirtió que “el que está conmigo, está conmigo, el que no
está conmigo está contra mí”, quedó clara la guerra contra quienes no están
dispuestos a entregarse, en cuerpo y alma, a los objetivos y despropósitos
del régimen.

YA BASTA
Los venezolanos queremos un gobierno que acabe con la pobreza sin tener que
atropellar los derechos de nadie.
Venezuela es otra bajo la violencia de estos pistoleros bestiales y
desalmados, instalados ahora en los cuerpos policiales, como muestra
palpable, fehaciente, del estercolero moral a que ha descendido la vida
pública venezolana. Demuestran el grado de putrefacción de un gobierno que
no reconoce otras leyes que las de la lucha de clases, la criminalización de
los opositores y la aniquilación física del contrario. La nación parece
estar cayendo al abismo de su desintegración.
Que Venezuela marche como un solo hombre. Con una sola voz. Movimientos y
acciones de los cuerpos y las almas regulados exclusivamente por la campana
de Pavlov. Quien no la escuche y pierda el paso, implacablemente, debe ser
excluido del rebaño. De inmediato. Agréguesele a esta mecanizada visión del
mundo el elemento del odio, odio al político de la “IV República”, odio al
rico, odio al blanco, odio a Estados Unidos, odio a quien no piensa como
uno. Las múltiples metáforas guerreras de Chávez persiguen esa finalidad.
Después, odiarlo. Por último, exterminarlo.
Queremos un gobierno que valore nuestras vidas, que cuide a nuestros hijos,
que nos proteja del hampa, que le quite el uniforme a los asesinos y no
permita la impunidad ante los abusos de las fuerzas policiales.

Tendríamos que estar ciegos para no advertir el grado de desintegración en
que se debate el régimen. La metástasis del cáncer terminal que lo aqueja.
Chávez ha perdido toda capacidad de gobierno. Sus ejecutorias se limitan a
una logorrea homérica: habla y habla y habla interminablemente,
reproduciendo su voz y su imagen en una infinita cadena de espejos, ante
cualquier circunstancia y en cualquier momento. Su desidia y su estupidez
han hundido a los venezolanos: la inseguridad, el hampa, el desempleo, el
hambre, el abandono, el saqueo, la miseria.
Y como esta guerra se libra en todos los frentes y es, por definición,
asimétrica, por todos los medios. El régimen se ha encargado de crear un
clima propicio para que en Venezuela se cometan cualquier tipo de
atrocidades. Chávez contra todo aquel que discrepe de ese proyecto
absolutista de uniformar a los venezolanos dentro del corsé de intolerancia
radical, de desconocimiento sistemático de los derechos del otro sólo por
ser otro, de odio sin remedio a quien tenga la audacia de señalar la
ineptitud suprema del régimen, la corrupción en todas sus formas como método
para silenciar conciencias y comprar lealtades, dentro y fuera de Venezuela,
y la violencia verbal y física transmutada en instrumento básico de la
comunicación humana.
Queremos un gobierno que impida que un venezolano más muera en un hospital
por falta de medicinas, de oxígeno, de equipos quirúrgicos o de cualquier
otra ineficiencia del sistema.
El gobierno de una nación que fuera asilo contra la opresión y orgullo de
las democracias occidentales, cuando en el continente reinaba el gorilaje,
se encuentra despedazado por los mordiscos de cleptócratas y empresarios de
nuevo cuño, nacidos al calor de la desintegración del Estado y el asalto a
mano armada de hambrientos y zarrapastrosos bandoleros consuetudinarios. El
verdadero reino de las mil y una noches de la corrupción. Y todo en nombre
del pueblo.

Contra todos, todo el tiempo, sin tregua ni medida, hasta colocar a todos
los venezolanos en el epicentro de una epopeya de zarzuela, cursi, a menudo
ridícula, un delirio sin mucho sentido trascendente, en que sólo son reales
las víctimas de los atropellos y el disparate ofensivo de la sangre
derramada. Tarde o temprano, las derrotas terminan por apagar sus fantasías
sobrenaturales.
Queremos un gobierno que instrumente una política habitacional realista y
que comience inmediatamente a darle solución de vivienda a quienes durante
años sólo han escuchado promesas.
Por eso la historia de la llamada “revolución bolivariana” es también la
historia de sus agresiones a la libertad de expresión, de la cruzada de
amedrentamiento a dueños, editores, reporteros, camarógrafos y fotógrafos,
de los daños a sus personas y equipos para aterrorizarlos e inducirlos a la
autocensura que procure una versión trucada y edulcorada de la gestión de un
gobierno cuyos fracasos pueden registrarse en todos y cada uno de los ramos
de la administración.

En el caso de Chávez, el colapso perfectamente previsto del Viaducto 1, ha
sido una derrota importante. Destapar la olla de la corrupción, produjo
efectos tan desalentadores, que el régimen se ha precipitado a silenciar el
estrépito.
Queremos un gobierno que sea capaz de valorar la educación de nuestros hijos
de la misma forma que lo hacemos en nuestros hogares. Que nos garantice la
excelencia en las escuelas, con currículos modernos y profesores que sean el
ejemplo de sus comunidades.
Nada de esto es un fenómeno inédito en la historia de nuestro país. Dos
siglos de guerras civiles, montoneras, revoluciones y golpes de Estado, de
lanzas ensangrentadas y cabezas fritas en aceite parecen reconcentrarse en
nuestra más absoluta actualidad y adquirir nueva vida bajo el trasfondo de
estos tiempos de disgregación “bolivariana”. Ahora bajo el signo del
chavo-fascismo. En 1893 escribía Luis Level de Goda en su Historia
Contemporánea de Venezuela: “Las revoluciones no han producido en Venezuela
sino el caudillaje más vulgar, gobiernos personales y de caciques, grandes
desordenes y desafueros, corrupción y una larga y horrenda tiranía, la ruina
moral del país y la degradación de un gran número de venezolanos”. Parece
una radiografía de nuestra más reciente actualidad, pero hecha hace 113
años.

Hoy los venezolanos, y así lo han dicho de manera tajante, tienen miedo.
Miedo y desprecio al abuso, a las agresiones, a la falta de justicia, a la
impunidad, a ese aquí no pasa nada bueno. A la actitud de un régimen que
cada día se siente menos fuerte, y que quizá por eso, cada día amenaza más.
Pero el enemigo anda dentro de las mismas entrañas de la revolución.
Queremos un gobierno que nos consulte a todos los venezolanos lo que propone
hacer con los ingresos de nuestra industria petrolera. El petróleo es de
todos los venezolanos, no propiedad de quienes detentan el gobierno de
turno. Aunque sabemos que hay muchos problemas en otros países, queremos un
gobierno que se ocupe y que nos resuelva los nuestros.
Cuentan quienes conocen sus vísceras, que el chavismo es una auténtica
matazón de todos contra todos. Los grupos de intereses salvajes que Chávez y
el chavismo han engendrado, convertidos en mafias super poderosas dispuestas
a llegar hasta sus últimos extremos por la conquista del suculento botín, se
enfrentan a cuchilladas por mantener los privilegios y seguir engrosando sus
cuentas corrientes en moneda dura. Petroleros contra financistas,
financistas contra militares, militares contra contratistas, contratistas
contra yuppies, yuppies contra narcotraficantes y así hasta el infinito.

Esta oprobiosa ola de crímenes nauseabundos están claramente conectado con
ese intento de Chávez por controlar todo el ámbito de seguridad, que había
que liquidar y desmoralizar, sin tener los recursos humanos y técnicos para
ello. Por lo que en esa liquidación ciega de lo existente, tenía que ocurrir
(como ha ocurrido) esta desmoralización técnica y este pillaje.
Queremos un gobierno que promueva la inversión privada en nuevos negocios,
que en el país se generen muchos más empleos para que más venezolanos
podamos tener un trabajo seguro y digno. Un gobierno que respete la forma de
pensar de los empleados públicos y que repudie el uso de listas
discriminatorias para decidir a quién se emplea o a quién se bota de la
administración pública.
Bolívar, usurpado, ha venido a brindar la coartada y la máscara. El
socialismo castrista, el maquillaje. De lo que se trata es de la clásica
revolución decimonónica de la Venezuela caudillesca, polvorienta y
autocrática, dirigida por un agalludo teniente coronel sediento de Poder,
inescrupuloso y montaraz. Éste es el resultado: poco menos de cien mil
cadáveres, poco más-poco menos que los aportados por Zamora y los federales
de la Guerra Larga, ese delirio piromaniaco de ese otro pobre diablo poseído
por el desafuero y la ambición y sus tropas de oportunistas y bandidos.

Ante un Estado inerme, en el que el crimen no le teme a la justicia porque
no existe, la justicia es el hampa. Y su vínculo con el Estado
desnaturalizando la función policial, fomenta la violencia y la impunidad.
El chavismo ha excluido del Estado a todo el que no sea fiel al líder, con
una concentración de tal mole de poder y tal ineptitud para ejercerlo, para
administrarlo, que ha colapsado a la seguridad, paralizándola y
degenerándola hasta un máximo de corrupción política y hamponil, por la
absoluta falta de control real. Este es el corazón de la situación: la trama
hamponil se ha entretejido con la institucional.
Queremos un gobierno que considere la honestidad una virtud indispensable y
la corrupción un crimen por el cual deben pagar aquellos que se aprovechan
del poder para beneficio propio.

Hay señales perturbadoras que obligan a pensar que un cambio tan radical
como fatídico se ha operado en el clima represivo que asfixia al país desde
hace 7 años y lo que destaca en la realidad son más y más espacios
democráticos cerrados, donde “hombres de negro” merodean, rondan y circulan,
anónimos y camuflados, a la caza de alguna víctima que le permita volcar la
lava de su rabia, odio, resentimiento y deseos de venganza contra quienes
piensa son enemigos impenitentes e irrescatables de la “revolución”.

Porque los encargados de velar por el orden público fomentan el desorden y
la violencia, y lo que podrían ser unos órganos policiales, se encuentran
infiltrados por el crimen. Con una colombianización galopante y un
crecimiento exponencial de la riqueza, como dicen los entendidos, ya la
frontera se ha metido hasta Caracas.
A ojos vistas violencia e impunidad están totalmente enquistados en los
tuétanos del Estado. Y esto es crimen organizado, descomposición criminal.
Queremos un gobierno que no acepte el autoritarismo, ni el abuso de poder,
ni la impunidad. Un gobierno que nos permita decir con orgullo que los
oprobiosos días en que el ciudadano se sentía indefenso frente a un Estado
temerario ya son cosas del pasado.
Lo dice, lo grita y vocifera día y noche, en cadenas de radio y televisión
que pueden durar hasta 8 horas diarias, un jefe que auspicia una práctica
criminal: “el terrorismo mediático”. La libertad de expresión es una
enemiga intrínseca de la revolución, culpable del colapso del socialismo
real y del fin del imperio soviético, y por tanto, tan culpable como los
ejércitos, partidos y organizaciones de los enemigos de clase, por lo que
debe ser denunciada, perseguida y controlada como forma de apartar un gran
obstáculo, un siniestro impedimento.

El caos disolutivo del chavismo no debiera provocar otra reacción que no sea
un profundo deseo de renovación, de apuntar exactamente a la meta contraria
a la que ha aspirado esta faena de zapa, desintegración y aniquilamiento
llevado a cabo por esta revolución pretendidamente socialista y
pretendidamente de izquierdas. Un deseo de acabar con el pasado – incluido
estos siete años de desastres y pesadillas – para dar vuelta la página y
construir el futuro. En el aborrecible espejo de sus desastres, Chávez ha
contribuido a perfilar la Venezuela que aspira a lo mejor: ser moderna,
progresista, democrática, joven y decente. Ser, de una vez por todas, una
nueva Venezuela.
Queremos un gobierno en el que todos los ciudadanos seamos iguales ante la
ley y la justicia sea imparcial.
En Venezuela no hay ninguna revolución, sino un gobierno militar que tira
zamarramente el anzuelo de su preocupación por lo pobres, mientras los
somete a todo tipo de privaciones, de inequidades e injusticias que los
convierte, a través de su vulnerabilidad, en el ejército de reserva de la
dictadura.
El país quiere liberarse de esa visión malsana, enfermiza y neurótica de su
pasado. Luego de abrir la caja de Pandora de nuestros más ominosos secretos,
llevados al paroxismo durante estos siete años de oprobio y vergüenza, el
país reacciona y comienza a sentir los efectos de una lavativa espiritual.
Llegó la hora de quitarse las costras y lavar la casa.

Queremos un gobierno que acabe con las divisiones y reconcilie a los
venezolanos.
¿Qué queremos? Una revolución modernizadora. Un sacudimiento espiritual que
deseche las polillas y cucarachas de este subdesarrollo congénito. Abrir las
ventanas del país y aspirar el aire renovador de las nuevas corrientes de la
historia. Integrarnos a la globalización, propiciar la prosperidad y el
crecimiento económico, ponernos a crear con todas nuestras fuerzas un nuevo
espíritu nacional. Convertirnos en una nación del primer mundo, competitiva,
avanzada, tecnológicamente al día, culturalmente a la vanguardia. Llegó la
hora del siglo XXI. La nueva Venezuela espera por nosotros.
Queremos un gobierno que nos lleve a la paz y no a la guerra con el mundo.

--

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http://www.cubafotos.net/cubafotos1.htm

Noticuba Internacional
www.noticubainternacional.com
http://www.cubafotos.net/cubafotos1.htm
http://www.wisc.edu/arth/ah349/20c_01.html
http://www.chileblog.com/modules.php?name=Sections&op=listarticles&secid=15
http://argentina.indymedia.org/news/2005/12/361336.php
http://www.juanperez.com/comerciales/tv.html

http://www.amigospais-guaracabuya.org

Sobre el ASESINO che:
http://members.aol.com/Guanabacoa/che.html
http://www.therealcuba.com/MurderedbyChe.htm
http://ernesto-el-che-guevara.piranho.de/

http://www.martinoticias.com/media/audio/M-001_051004.wma
http://www.martinoticias.com/MMtv.asp
Corrupcion_en_Cuba
http://www.cadal.org/libros/pdf/Corrupcion_en_Cuba.pdf

HAGA CLICK SOBRE ESTE TITULO >>>> URBANPHOTO -- Dos Días en La Habana

http://www.urbanphoto.net/havana/photo06.htm

http://imls.library.miami.edu/chcdigital/chc5017/ch
/ch

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SOLDADO NO PIDAS PERDÓN POR HABER SALVADO A LA NACION

Luis García Mora, Ana Julia Jatar, Manuel Malaver, Armando Durán, Antonio
Sánchez García y Alberto Rodríguez Barrera

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TOPIC: Turkey to build their first Nuclear Power Plant
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ec31a862289a2632
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 4:20 am
From: "Ali Asker"

Amid Protests Ankara Heads for Nuclear Energy

Bianet -Ankara decides on to base country's first nuclear power station in
Sinop. Energy Minister starts talks with companies. Sinop Platform
challenges the move. Dr. Uyar says " Turkey should recognize nuclear danger
like the rest of the world."

Turkey's Black Sea port city of Sinop has been chosen as the site for the
country's first nuclear power station, according to an official announcement
made this week.

Turkish Atomic Energy Authority (TAEK) chairman Okay Cakiroglu said
Wednesday that Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan had personally chosen
Sinop from among eight alternative locations identified by 43 separate
criteria, ranging from temperature of sea water, to local climate, wind and
air conditions.

Energy Minister Hilmi Guler has already held talks with 10 Turkish companies
and a model has been decided on for the nuclear power.

"What we want to do," Guler said Thursday, "is to build these with the
skills of the private sector. They have expressed a desire to do this
according to a model where the state will also contribute."

Guler said the model would involve the private sector working together with
the public sector in nuclear power and added, "we see this as the sharing of
risk. It does not have a Treasury guarantee from the beginning. There will
be a model on the sales of the electricity that will be produced. If sales
fall below this, the public sector will meet the rest."

According to the Minister, this is referred to as the Ireland Model and has
already been put into practice by the Ministry of Transport at airports and
terminals.

TTB concerned of cancer threat

The nuclear power station announcement comes simultaneous to the results of
a Turkish Physicians Union (TTB) research on "Cancer in Turkey After the
Chernobil Accident" that was disclosed Wednesday at the Istanbul Chamber of
Doctors (ITO). The research showed the rate of cancer in the Black Sea town
of Hopa close to the border as being higher than the Turkish average.

Although the research is not conclusive that the escalated ratio of victims
is directly related to Chernobil due to lack of official data, it was
stressed that this possible connection needed further investigation.

Reaction to nuke power mounts

A day after the disclosure that nuclear power would be hosted at what once
was the legendary Amazon capital on the Black Sea and is regarded by part of
its population as a promising tourism resort, reactions to the decision as
well as the government's overall nuclear power policy started building up.

Dr. Uyar: It's dangerous

Marmara University Faculty of Engineering Energy Sciences Division Chairman
and Turkish Environment Platform (TURCEP) Coordinator Assistant Professor
Dr. Tanay Sidki Uyar blasted the decision saying that it was dangerous and
whatever was claimed about energy production, since the primary purpose of
nuclear power stations was to build atomic weapons, Turkey should look to
natural resources.

"What is even more dangerous than the power station itself is the mentality
of let's build a power station and we can also build the storage system"
Ural said, criticizing the government for "choosing something good not for
itself but for other countries at a time nuclear energy is a system that is
being abandoned everywhere."

He added that since 1978 there had been no nuclear power station orders
throughout the world and that 100 such orders had been cancelled.

"A nuclear power station that cannot be sold in Europe is being proposed for
Turkey" he said, arguing that nuclear power is the most expensive, most
pollutant, and most useless form of energy. Uyar said Turkey was a country
rich with renewable energy resources and emphasized that both wind and solar
energy could meet energy demands in far more economical and cleaner ways.

Nuclear power comes with hidden costs

Turkish Environment Platform (TURCEP) Coordinator Uyar also believes that
the hidden costs of nuclear energy makes it a long term burden on a
country's economy. Pointing out that the cost of a nuclear power station is
not just about setting it up but involves also the security infrastructure,
the licensing cost, operational cost and even the cost of closing it down.

"To country's like Turkey where the security infrastructure cost is too
high, the World Bank does not give credit for such investments," he said.
"Also, the competent commissions and ministries of countries, just like in
the USA and Canada, have to issue a new license for plants that have
operated for 20 years."

Uyar pointed out that the operational cost needed to include the uranium as
well as the cost of those to be employed from abroad but noted that largest
cost being that of discarding such plants.

Ozerdem: Truly too expensive

Mechanical Engineers Chamber Izmir Branch Acting Chairman lecturer Dr. Baris
Ozerdem meanwhile, pointed out in a written statement on the issue that
"since 1997 a nuclear power station has not been built in the United States
of America."

"The reason for this", he added, "is that it is expensive, other than the
environmental effects of nuclear energy. It is an energy which is dependent
on abroad both in way of technology and fuel in country's such as Turkey
which have an underdeveloped nuclear technology."

Ozerdem also argued that Turkey's electricity power needs should be met
through renewable resources and said "electricity production particularly
from hydrological, wind based and geothermal renewable resources should be
encouraged." According to him, one priority before Turkey should be to renew
the energy transport lines to avoid a loss reaching approximately 22 percent
of total production and to minimize electricity piracy.

"It should be recognized that the cleanest and the cheapest energy is energy
that is saved and importance should be given to the productive use of energy
and in saving it" he said. "Expensive, risk-full and foreign dependent
nuclear energy should be abandoned."

Sinopbizim: Touristic sinop vs. radioactive Sinop

The Sinopbizim Platform , which has been campaigning against nuclear energy
in Sinop, is preparing a variety of activities that it will increase
throughout April and has dedicated a Turkish and English language site to
this controversial issue.

A signature campaign by the platform challenging the nuclear power decision
is underway and will remain open until the end of the month while the
platform will be active in various areas of Turkey.

A statement issued by the Platform and open to signature says "We reject the
idea of bringing dangerous and outdated nuclear technologies into our
country with excessive loans. To fulfill the Law for 'Procedures to Generate
Electrical Energy Using Renewable Energy Resources' that was passed on
10.05.2005, we demand the government to give priority to rich alternative
energy sources, and make a serious start to build the necessary
infrastructure for the production of renewable energy."

14.04.2006
http://www.kurdishinfo.com/

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TOPIC: Colorado: Kids Stage Old Glory Walkout.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2f1882ac30dc275
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 4:24 am
From: AlleyCat

In article <12414s4bdscpf46@corp.supernews.com>, alric@[cableone.net]
says...

> I don't see racism as worse. My son has black friends, and they all
> date interracially. There is some racism, but it's not worse. I'll
> give you this much: Blacks fail to see or deal with their OWN racism.
> Is that what you mean by it being worse? This is still not an issue
> worth much of my time, and the solution to black racism is not to meet
> it with more racism. When a black comedian starts up about white
> people, I just change the channel.
>
> Back to what I was saying a moment ago, my son and his friends are this
> one big fluid group. Racism isn't worse. Just take a look around.

Finally... something we can agree on. While I still don't agree with
your first statement, and while I won't go as far as saying I have black
friends, except the ones I grew up with and still consider friends, my
son also has many friends of color. Black, Middle Eastern, Asian... He
is in the most expensive school in town (not bragging), and there are
many doctors' and lawyers' kids going to school with him... many of
which are Indian and Pakistani. He has even dated a girl of mixed color.
Yes... that doesn't explain me, but... what he does, doesn't bother
me... much. I just wonder sometimes why he seems to hang around the kids
he does. It's like what I think about interracial dating... what's the
matter with people of your own color? Why is it always considered racist
when a white has a problem with a family member dating outside their
race, but it seems OK when blacks have a problem with whites dating
their race? If I was a black woman, I'd be furious at black men that
consider white women "trophies" and want to date white women. I'd be
yellin' from the mountain tops, "hey, what's the matter with black
women?" Well... maybe we shouldn't go there.
I think you're half right... If I take a "look" around, I don't "see"
much racism. But if I "listen" around, I still "hear" racism... and it's
alive and well.
I do the same when black "comedians" talk bad about whites... I turn the
channel until I find Carlos Mencia making fun of every one. He's funny
as shit. Sort of like Dave Chappell until he flipped out and went and
hid in Africa.

Al

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TOPIC: Fulfilling the "American Dream."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a48ac432669ca64
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 9:30 pm
From: "Mohd Kaffir"

Max Muir wrote:
> Gill Bentry wrote:
> > Max wrote:
> >
> > >Yeah, it's another Hindu Nationalist racist throwing stones at the
> > >country that gave him a Visa to work there.
> >
> > Hey Max!
> >
> > How about I print off all their shit and mail it to each member of the
> > US Senate India Caucus!
> >
> > http://www.usindiafriendship.net/congress1/senatecaucus/members.htm
> >
> > I'm gonna start with Hitlery!!!!
> >
> > aHahahahahaha!
>
> Good idea; but do it anonymously, for goodness sake!

How do you two morons knowor prove that the original poster is an
Indian?

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TOPIC: the Russians agree to help the Palestinans with money
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e4956100f61187d7
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 9:34 pm
From: "Komin"

xyz,
the US is paying for the Gaz going into Georgia ,

from Iran .
the US military is all over Georgia which was a drug transit centre
into Europe , via Abkazia on the Black Sea

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 12:38 am
From: "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj"

TBD wrote:
> Russia will pay the devil if they are against the USA. In this case they
> choose to patronize terrorists. So they should not complain if someone
> decides to give money to Chechan terrorists.
>
The Russians probably have the devil on retainer, and are paying him
and his organization on a regular basis anyway. The question that needs
answering is ; would the russians pay St. Peter, if he were against
the USA. :-D

>
> "Komin" <veakrin@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1145145602.029472.270380@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
>
>>the Russian government agrees to give money to the Palestinian
>>government ,
>>in order to help the Palestinian government pay salaries to the
>>Palestine Liberation Organisation = P L O .
>>the US Black Magic Woman must be very angry .
>>
>>Colin Powell told lies in the UN concerning the Iraqi weapons of mass
>>destruction .
>>
>>Condi Rice told lies about the Iraqi weapons of mass Destruction .
>>
>>this shows perfectly well that Blacks in the USA have not evolved at
>>all , after 200 years in the USA ,
>>them Niggers continue to tell lies in the USA and now in the UN in
>>this New Century .
>>
>
>
>

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TOPIC: Queremos un gobierno que nos consulte a todos los venezolanos lo que
propone hacer con los ingresos de nuestra industria petrolera.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/589af950027aced5
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 12:24 am
From: "PM"

Queremos un gobierno que nos consulte a todos los venezolanos lo que propone hacer
...con los ingresos de nuestra industria petrolera.

El petróleo es de todos los venezolanos, no propiedad de quienes detentan el gobierno de turno. Aunque sabemos que hay muchos problemas en otros países, queremos un gobierno que se ocupe y que nos resuelva los nuestros.
Cuentan quienes conocen sus vísceras, que el chavismo es una auténtica matazón de todos contra todos. Los grupos de intereses salvajes que Chávez y el chavismo han engendrado, convertidos en mafias super poderosas dispuestas a llegar hasta sus últimos extremos por la conquista del suculento botín, se enfrentan a cuchilladas por mantener los privilegios y seguir engrosando sus cuentas corrientes en moneda dura. Petroleros contra financistas, financistas contra militares, militares contra contratistas, contratistas contra yuppies, yuppies contra narcotraficantes y así hasta el infinito.

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HOSPITALES EN CUBA:
http://www.netforcubaenespanol.org/Enfoque/0035-SaludPublica-Cuba.htm

Try living in a country controlled by a mad old man that is stuck in the
cold war:
www.cubaverdad.net

http://ctp.iccas.miami.edu/
http://galeon.hispavista.com/cienfuegoscuba/Fotos_2005.htm

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TOPIC: Golpean a 18 menores en la prision La Pendiente
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e6ed3754d415d4b2
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 12:25 am
From: "PM"

De: <CubaVerdad@yahoogroups.com>
À: <CubaVerdad@yahoogroups.com>
Objet: [CubaVerdad] Digest Number 1514
Date: 15 avril, 2006 14:58

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Identifican a agentes represivos contra Movimiento Liberal
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
2. Exige enfermo de SIDA asistencia medica al gobierno cubano
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
3. Golpean a 18 menores en la prision La Pendiente
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
4. Piden al pueblo cubano mayor cultura en el ahorro de agua
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
5. Condena periodista atentado contra la libertad de prensa
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
6. Se planta en huelga de hambre frente a prision madre de reo
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
7. En Cuba no hay ni libertad ni derecho ni justicia
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
8. Se Inaugura Biblioteca Independiente en Regla
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
9. Preso político denuncia condiciones pesimas del penal
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
10. Juzgan al periodista independiente Aleaga Pesant
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
11. Detienen a bibliotecaria independiente
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
12. Continua represion contra presidente de asociacion de sordos
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
13. Anaden anos torturan y golpean a reo inocente
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
14. Golpean a reclusos de la prision provincial de Canaleta
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
15. Repression on the rise
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
16. More than 100 demonstrate outside dissidents home
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
17. Authorities demolish stands of independent sellers
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
18. Wife and sister of imprisoned journalist strip searched
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
19. Dissidents stopped and told they were illegally in Havana
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
20. Prisoner put in solitary confinement after wife falls ill
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
21. Nube negra
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
22. Bretes chismes y espias
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
23. Doctora maltrata a reclusos en Kilo 8
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
24. La verdadera razon de mi cautiverio es haber denunciado al gobierno
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
25. La soga es mas blanda
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be

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Message 1
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
Date: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:23am(PDT)
Subject: Identifican agentes represivos contra Movimiento Liberal

Identifican agentes represivos contra Movimiento Liberal

J.F. Humberto Guerra Perugorría* Presidente Movimiento Libertad

Bitácora Cubana, 15 de abril de 2006 - La Habana

Agente del G2 - desconocido con la moto HYD 337 - Dirige acto de repudio.

Rogelio Aguilera: Marino Mercante, reside en calle Cisneros % Nápoles
Fajardo y Villa Verde, Reparto La Esperanza. Este sujeto disfruta con
los actos de repudio, grita cuantas consignas revolucionarias hay. En su
cuadra no es bien mirado por sus vecinos. No conozco sus negocios, pero
se dice que “trapichea” algunas cosas eléctricas. Este personaje es
militante del Partido Comunista Cubano; CDR, Milicias tropas
Territoriales José Martí

Contingente de la construcción - es el que más personas y el que más se
destaca en estos actos de terrorismo y acosos contra la Cede del
Movimiento Libertad lugar donde reside JF. Humberto Guerra y su familia.

Luis - Personaje que recoge el listado de asistencia a los actos de
repudio “a ti hay que fusilarte”, me grita – Es militante del partido
comunista cubano: CDR DTI Tropas Territoriales. Gordo con barbas, chofer
del contingente se presenta con dos acompañantes con una moto con
sidecar gritando ¡abajo la gusanera!, ¡viva Fidel!

Hay varias personas más del partido CDR de la Casa del Combatiente los
que no conozco sus nombres

Heriberto Barrios - Taxista retirado. Es tuerto y pertenece al Partido
Comunista Cubano y al CDR. Reside en la calle Julián del Casal, %
Cisneros y Heredia. Sus vecinos lo tienen como “chivato” y vende todo lo
que se pueda comerciar en bolsa negra. En los actos de acoso y repudio,
a los que no falta nunca, es un “rastacueros” agresivo contra los que
llama “la gusanera asalariada de la mafia de Miami”

Gladis Ravelo - Doctora en medicina, reside en la calle Hatuey # 172.
Trabaja en el Instituto de la Medicina del Trabajo. Militante del
Partido Comunista Cubano y del CDR, acostumbra

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Message 2
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
Date: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:24am(PDT)
Subject: Exige enfermo de SIDA asistencia medica al gobierno cubano

Exige enfermo de SIDA asistencia médica al gobierno cubano
Por Luis Esteban Espinosa
Bitácora Cubana, 15 de abril de 2006 - Ciego de Ávila

Yosvany Carrillo Rodríguez, enfermo de SIDA recluido en la prisión
Provincial de Santa Clara, para pacientes de VIH, pidió vía telefónica
un SOS a la Fundación Cubana de Derechos Humanos.

Carrillo Rodríguez dijo que el gobierno cubano le niega a él y a sus
compañeros de enfermedad la asistencia médica, a pesar de que la
solicitan desesperadamente.

Añadió el reo que esta situación lo llevó a colocar en una pared de su
celda un cartel que decía “Abajo el dictador Fidel Castro”, pero aun así
no logró que le atendieran su garganta enferma, y que en represalia a su
protesta el Tte. Coronel Modesto lo amenazó con darle una golpiza y
violarlo.

Posteriormente a las ya mencionadas amenazas Carrillo Rodríguez fue
lanzado semidesnudo en una fría celda de castigo, donde también le
dijeron que le iban a pegar un tiro. En este calabozo permaneció durante
19 días.

Agregó la fue que lo están dejando morir como un político, pero que él
no está en contra de ningún gobierno, que sólo reclama asistencia médica

Yosvany Carrillo Rodríguez fue servicio distinguido del ejercito
occidental y llama a la opinión pública internacional a interesarse por
los enfermos de SIDA que viven como animales en las celdas de la prisión
provincial de Santa Clara, donde el se encuentra recluido.

Luis Esteban Espinosa es periodista independiente de la Agencia de
Prensa Jóvenes sin Censura.

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Message 3
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
Date: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:24am(PDT)
Subject: Golpean a 18 menores en la prision La Pendiente

Golpean a 18 menores en la prisión La Pendiente
Por Luis Esteban Espinosa
Bitácora Cubana, 15 de abril de 2006 - Ciego de Ávila

El recluso Miguel Ángel Vidal denuncia que los militares Odeimys
González Martínez, segundo jefe de Unidad, y el oficial de guardia
Miguel Ángel, golpearon con tonfas de goma a 18 menores de edad
recluidos en el área 6 de la prisión La Pendiente, en Santa Clara.

Según el recluso los militares utilizaron un perro pastor alemán durante
la golpiza para intimidar a los adolescentes.

Añadió la fuente que los tonfasos llenaron de hematomas por todo el
cuerpo a los jóvenes y que cuando se le quejó al jefe de cárceles y
prisiones de la provincia de Villa Clara Tte. Coronel Estanislao Aguiar,
éste respondió que la paliza estaba bien dada, que de haber sido él los
habría golpeado hasta matarlos y que el mundo y los derechos humanos a
él le importa un bledo.

http://www.bitacoracubana.com/desdecuba/portada2.php?id=1825

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Message 4
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
Date: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:25am(PDT)
Subject: Piden al pueblo cubano mayor cultura en el ahorro de agua

Piden al pueblo cubano "mayor cultura en el ahorro de agua"
Por Mercedes L. García
Bitácora Cubana, 15 de abril de 2006

Publicaciones oficialistas cubanas señalan a la provincia de Holguín,
ubicada en la zona nororiental de Cuba como uno de los territorios más
afectados por la sequía que ha venido padeciendo la isla durante la
última década.

Indican que las precipitaciones reportadas en ese territorio desde el
1996 hasta la fecha equivalen a lo que debería ser considerado como una
precipitación normal en otros lugares. Francisco Durán, experto en
Meteorología indicó que los efectos de tal fenómeno ya se reflejan en el
manto acuífero, en el deterioro de los pozos subterráneos, que han
bajado pese a la recuperación experimentada en el 2005, cuando las
lluvias alcanzaron el 83.83 por ciento del total histórico.

El experto dijo además que los embalses comienzan a descender en sus
acumulados, como es el caso de la presa Guirabo, la principal en el
suministro a la Ciudad de Holguín, que podría verse en una situación
extrema si el período lluvioso no satisface las expectativas, añadiendo
que "sólo un evento meteorológico -como un ciclón- permitirá mantener el
equilibrio con respecto a la sequía, siempre y cuando sea abundante en
agua, para compensar las dificultades climatológicas".

En síntesis, el pronóstico de especialistas en materia hidráulica es de
que Cuba continuará bajo la influencia de prolongadas sequías y por
tanto exigen, desde ya, elevar el ahorro de agua en todo el territorio
nacional mediante la implantación de rigurosas medidas, que lógicamente
afectarán a la población.

Con el ejemplo de "en el mundo más de mil millones de personas viven sin
acceso al mínimo del líquido requerido para vivir que es de 50 litros
por habitante y día, situación que ocasiona muertes y enfermedades",
justifican el pedido de sacrificio al pueblo cubano, no sin antes
reconocer que es conocido el factor de que más del 50 por ciento del
preciado líquido extraído de las fuentes de abasto, tanto para la
población como la destinada a la producción y los servicios, se pierde
en las redes debido a roturas y salideros. A ello se unen, según los
informes, la falta de control y el descuido en muchos hogares y centros
laborales y estudiantiles acerca de la importancia de gastar solamente
la cantidad de agua requerida para una u otras necesidades aprender a
convivir en medio de fuertes sequías.

Piden al pueblo cubano "mayor cultura en el ahorro de agua", lo que
equivale a mayores sacrificios; pero nada dicen sobre las medidas que se
toman "si algunas" en los otros sectores mencionados en un intento por
evitarle así mayores cargas sobre las atribuladas espaldas del pueblo
cubano.

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Message 5
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
Date: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:26am(PDT)
Subject: Condena periodista atentado contra la libertad de prensa

Condena periodista atentado contra la libertad de prensa
Por Oscar Sánchez Madan
Bitácora Cubana, 14 de abril de 2006 - Matanzas

“Deseo expresar mi mas enérgica condena por este nuevo atentado contra
la libertad de prensa protagonizado por las autoridades cubanas con el
marcado propósito de amedrentar a uno de los más eficientes y
profesionales periodistas de Cuba”, así es expresó este 13 de abril en
su residencia de Jovellanos, Matanzas, la licenciada Caridad Díaz
Beltrán, directora de la Agencia Independiente Lux Info Press, al
conocer las amenazas de que fuera víctima en La Habana, el comunicador
independiente Roberto Santana Rodríguez.

La periodista, de 48 años de edad, manifestó a este reportero que el
hecho de que dos agentes de la seguridad del estado, que se identifican
con los nombres de Mario y Moisés, hayan citado, el 7 de abril último, a
la Décima Unidad de la policía capitalina a su colega Santana para
amenazarlo con ponerle decenas de años de cárcel si no cesa su labor
informativa, evidencia el alto nivel de represión a que el régimen
somete a los trabajadores de la prensa en la isla.

“Este no es un hecho aislado, más de 20 compatriotas se encuentran hoy
en las cárceles por atreverse a ejercer el periodismo libre”, aseguró, y
expresó que es notable la incoherencia en el discurso oficial, por un
lado, dijo que los funcionarios castristas anuncian una supuesta
revolución en el sector de la informática y por otro hostigan y agreden
a quienes cumplen la honrosa tarea de informar.

“Nada ni nadie acallará a los comunicadores independientes cubanos, ya
que lo único que hacemos es ejercer un derecho consagrado en el Artículo
19 de la Declaración Universal de los Derechos Humanos, de la que Cuba
es signataria”, concluyó Díaz Beltrán.

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Message 6
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
Date: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:26am(PDT)
Subject: Se planta en huelga de hambre frente a prision madre de reo

Se planta en huelga de hambre frente a prisión madre de reo
Por Luis Esteban Espinosa
Bitácora Cubana, 14 de abril de 2006 - Ciego de Avila

El prisionero de conciencia Juan Carlos Herrera Acosta, en llamada
telefónica a la Fundación Cubana de Derechos Humanos, dijo que la madre
del preso disidente Roger Cardozo Nieves se plantó en huelga de hambre
frente a la prisión de máxima severidad de Kilo 8 en Camagüey, este
martes 11 de abril en horas de la mañana.

Añadió Herrera Acosta que los militares se burlan de la anciana de más
de 70 años sin hacerle caso a los reclamos de ver a su hijo.

Por otra parte, José Daniel Ferrer García, del Grupo de los 75,
manifestó gran preocupación por la vida del preso disidente Roger
Cardozo Nieves, que lleva 30 días plantado en huelga de hambre y está
sangrando abundantemente por los oídos, padece de alergia y ulcera
gástrica. Además desde hace 6 días está confinado en una estrecha celda
tapiada sin agua ni electricidad, privado de todas sus pertenencias.

Añadió la fuente, que Roger Cardozo Nieves, de 43 años de edad, exige
que se les respeten sus derechos carcelarios, entre ellos una adecuada
atención médica, una dieta alimenticia y su derecho al teléfono.

Luis Esteban Espinosa, periodista independiente de la Agencia Jóvenes
sin Censura.

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Message 7
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
Date: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:27am(PDT)
Subject: En Cuba no hay ni libertad ni derecho ni justicia

En Cuba no hay ni libertad ni derecho ni justicia
Entrevista a Juan Francisco Sigler Amaya
Por Oscar Sánchez Madan

Bitácora Cubana, 14 de abril de 2006 - Matanzas

“La situación actual de los derechos humanos en Cuba es deplorable. En
la isla existe un régimen totalitario de más de 47 años que coarta las
libertades fundamentales de todos los cubanos con el único propósito de
mantener en el poder a una casta de funcionarios privilegiados y ricos
que sólo se preocupan por sus intereses personales. Debemos trabajar
para que ese estado de cosas cambie”, así se expresó Juan Francisco
Sigler Amaya, miembro de la Junta Directiva del Movimiento Independiente
Opción Alternativa, (MIOA), en entrevista exclusiva concedida en su
residencia de Pedro Betancourt.

P: Que puede decir sobre el ejercicio por los cubanos de los derechos
civiles y políticos, económicos, sociales y culturales reconocidos por
la organización de Naciones Unidas, ONU?

R: El gobierno los viola flagrantemente. Obliga a los ciudadanos a
manifestar permanentemente una incondicionalidad político-ideológica que
les impide expresar libremente sus puntos de vista sobre los asuntos
nacionales, defender en elecciones libres la corriente política e
ideológica o el programa político, económico y social de su preferencia
y gozar de oportunidades para desarrollar la iniciativa privada y lograr
la prosperidad familiar.

Las cárceles cubanas, como se sabe, están llenas de miles de
compatriotas, en su mayoría jóvenes de la raza negra, de procedencia
humilde, muchos de los cuales, son inocentes, ya que no han cometido
delitos.

Una gran cantidad de ciudadanos han sido sancionados por tribunales para
nada independientes, debido a que, ante la ausencia de libertades
económicas y la pobreza en que sobreviven, se han visto obligados a
quebrantar las arbitrarias leyes del Estado opresor.

En toda la isla el régimen lleva a cabo violentos actos de repudio con
perjuicio para la seguridad y la integridad física y moral de los
disidentes, afectando mujeres ancianos y niños.

Las libertades de asociación, manifestación y reunión son conculcadas y
es limitada la libertad religiosa, en fin, en Cuba no hay ni libertad ni
derecho ni justicia.

P: ¿Qué opina sobre el encarcelamiento en la primavera del año 2003 de
75 opositores y disidentes, 60 de los cuales hasta este mes de abril aun
permanecen en prisión?

R: Es vergonzoso y por consiguiente inaceptable que un estado en pleno
Siglo XXI acuda al encarcelamiento para castigar a miles de ciudadanos,
porque no han sido sólo los 75, que se atreven a ejercer los derechos
fundamentales consagrados en la Declaración Universal de Derechos
Humanos, documento firmado por la mayoría de las naciones del planeta,
incluida Cuba.

Ese es un abominable crimen que la comunidad internacional debe
condenar. Así lo ha hecho durante más de una década en Ginebra, pero lo
peor de todo es el trato cruel e inhumano de que son víctimas los reos
comunes y políticos en las ergástulas del régimen.

P: ¿Qué puede hacer el mundo democrático para ayudar al pueblo de Cuba a
cambiar esa situación?

R: A los cubanos nos corresponde solucionar nuestros problemas que en
esencia se fundamentan en la gran contradicción que existe entre un
pueblo que se cansó de ser esclavo y un gobierno que ya no puede
administrar y conducir al país, como lo ha hecho en las últimas cinco
décadas. Hemos trabajado bastante para hallar una solución pacífica a
este grave problema y vamos a persistir. Los países democráticos
podrían, y de hecho muchos ya lo hacen, fortalecer los canales de
comunicación con la sociedad civil, ejercer enérgicas presiones en todos
los terrenos, nada de guerra.

La información al mundo sobre lo que acontece en la isla,
fundamentalmente en las cárceles, y la información a nuestro pueblo
sobre lo que ocurre en el exterior, especialmente en los países libres
es un factor muy importante. No olvidemos que los regimenes totalitarios
basan su sistema policíaco y represivo en la propaganda y la mentira.
Adolfo Hitler escribió en su libro “Mein Kemp”, que por medio de la
propaganda hasta el cielo puede ser figurado en la mente del pueblo como
un infierno. Y al contrario, la vida más desdichada puede ser
representada como un paraíso.

P: Los funcionarios del gobierno castrista afirman que la oficina de
intereses de Estados Unidos en La Habana financia la labor de quienes en
Cuba defiende los derechos humanos. ¿Son mercenarios los disidentes cubanos?

R: Los demócratas cubanos somos tan mercenarios como Jesucristo, aquel
hombre excepcional que predicó en la tierra la paz, el amor y la
libertad a todos los seres humanos, en especial a los cautivos. Él,
según la Biblia, debido a su inigualable consagración a Dios, fue dotado
de poderes divinos, por los que hizo milagros. Nosotros llevamos 47 años
luchando contra una feroz dictadura y aún no hemos logrado el milagro de
la liberación, pero la humanidad y nuestro pueblo, con la ayuda del
altísimo, ya se está encargando de hacer polvo todas las mentiras de los
que nos calumnian y difaman. Eso también ocurrió con Jesús, el Salvador
liberó nuestras conciencias, pronto lograremos la libertad política y
económica. Si el gobierno de Castro posee un sólo cheque Made In USA,
con la firma de algún disidente, que lo muestre al mundo para que pruebe
lo que hasta ahora no son más que cínicas y falsas acusaciones. Las
dictaduras se han valido siempre de la mentira para justificar la
represión y el crimen y violar los derechos humanos.

P: ¿Cómo concibe el futuro estado cubano?

R: Sin Fidel y Raúl Castro. Con unos poderes Judicial, administrativo y
legislativo independientes, y con una vigorosa sociedad civil capaz de
fiscalizar la labor de quienes gobiernan. Será un Estado como lo
concibió nuestro apóstol nacional José Martí, abierto a todos en el
comercio, donde se respeten la iniciativa privada, los derechos de todos
los cubanos y donde se promuevan relaciones cordiales y amistosas con
todos los estados.

http://www.bitacoracubana.com/desdecuba/portada2.php?id=1818

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Message 8
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
Date: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:27am(PDT)
Subject: Se Inaugura Biblioteca Independiente en Regla

Se Inaugura Biblioteca Independiente en Regla.
Por Iván Sañudo Pupo
Bitácora Cubana, 14 de abril de 2006 -

El pasado 7 de Abril del 2006 queda inaugurada la Biblioteca
Independiente “Luis Quevedo Remolina” con el nombre del muchacho
asesinado a golpes por las tropas de guardafronteras cubanas lo cual
provoco en el año 1993 una fuerte manifestación en el municipio de Regla.

Esta biblioteca radica en a calle Fresneda #210 % Millar y Recreo, Regla
en la casa de su directora Aini Martín Valero.

Esta nueva institución cultural tiene como objetivo hacer llegar a los
jóvenes de la comunidad una lectura sin censura, cuenta con 300 libros
de Política, Novelas, Educación, Literatura Universal, Economía,
Historia, Salud, además de revistas y copias impresas de publicaciones
digitales que tratan la realidad cubana.

Debido a la censura oficial la población se ha visto obligada a lo largo
del tiempo a satisfacer la curiosidad intelectual y profesional de
manera ilegal y clandestina, acudiendo al Mercado Negro en busca de
publicaciones alternativas a las oficiales. Esta biblioteca satisfacera
esa necesidad ofreciendo prestamos de libros sin costo alguno para todo
el que desee ampliar sus conocimientos.

El pensamiento Martiano “Me parece que me matan a un hijo cada vez que
privan a un hombre del derecho a pensar” será la frase básica para el
trabajo de la biblioteca.

A esta inauguración asistieron diversos hermanos de distintos
movimientos como son:

Mario Echevarría, Deysi Lázara Suárez, Belinda Salas, Carlos Martín,
Martha Iris Acosta, Alberto Suárez, Luis Duarte, Thaira Rojas, Tania
Maucha, Ernesto Roque, Anna Rosa Veitia.

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Message 9
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
Date: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:29am(PDT)
Subject: Preso político denuncia condiciones pesimas del penal

Preso político denuncia condiciones pésimas del penal
Por Marielis Castro Fernández-Rubio
Bitácora Cubana, 14 de abril de 2006 - Guantánamo

El prisionero político Alberto Martínez Fernández, presidente del Club
de Prisioneros y Ex Prisioneros de Guantánamo, fue confinado en una
celda de castigo el pasado 6 del mes en curso.

El reo está presentando un delicado estado de salud, ya que sufre
lesiones graves en la piel desde hace algunos meses debido a la falta de
higiene que tiene la celda. Los carceleros le han negado, entre otras
cosas, el servicio médico y la asistencia religiosa.

El prisionero está exigiendo asistencia médica y religiosa y que lo
trasladen para el cubícalo 2A.

Martínez Fernández está conviviendo con numerosos roedores, por lo que
le comunicó a su esposa que teme dormirse y ser atacado.

Se queja también el prisionero de la mala preparación y del grado de
putrefacción de los alimentos y de las condiciones infrahumanas del
penal, a la vez que pide que se divulguen estos hechos a que son
sometidos los prisioneros políticos cubanos.

http://www.bitacoracubana.com/desdecuba/portada2.php?id=1814

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Message 10
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
Date: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:33am(PDT)
Subject: Juzgan al periodista independiente Aleaga Pesant

Juzgan al periodista independiente Aleaga Pesant
Juan González Febles
Bitácora Cubana, 13 de abril de 2006 - La Habana (Cubanet.org)

- El master Julio Aleaga Pesant, publicista y periodista independiente,
fue juzgado en la mañana del 5 de abril del año en curso. La actuación
se desarrolló en el Tribunal Municipal de Plaza de la Revolución en La
Habana. Fue procesado por un supuesto delito de "Abusos lascivos".

Pesant está casado y es padre de dos niños. Su vida familiar y personal
es intachable de acuerdo con el testimonio de conocidos, vecinos y
amigos. Esto se hizo evidente en el sólido apoyo familiar que le
acompañó en su inusual experiencia. Se trata de un hombre decente que
brinda una cordialidad reservada, con límites afirmados en el respeto
que profesa a todos, con cálida y comedida gentileza.

Acompañaron a su consternada familia activistas y miembros destacados de
la oposición interna. Todos manifestaron solidaridad y preocupación
frente a un evento a todas luces irracional y carente de lógica.
Definitivamente, Aleaga Pesant no es hombre de abusos: ni lascivos ni de
ningún otro tipo.

A las 11 de la mañana comenzó el juicio. Poco antes, agentes de la
Policía Nacional Revolucionaria -PNR- le trajeron esposado al recinto
del Tribunal.

Como es de general conocimiento, Aleaga Pesant (así firma sus trabajos)
escribe regularmente para la página electrónica CubaNet, asentada en
Miami, en los Estados Unidos de América. Se incorporó a las filas del
periodismo independiente poco después de la ola represiva conocida como
la Primavera Negra de 2003, en ese mismo año.

Recientemente integró un equipo asesor que colabora con el Movimiento
Liberal Cubano -MLC.

Su abogado, el Lic. Tomás de Aquino, tuvo acceso al sumario una hora
antes del inicio del juicio. Esto parece ser un patrón de conducta
establecido por la policía de Seguridad. Los abogados que acceden a
defender a procesados por motivos políticos son sometidos de forma
regular a estas prácticas. Las mismas, en opinión de muchos, van
dirigidas a coartar el ejercicio pleno del derecho y a intimidar en una
proyección más amplia.

Los hechos que dieron lugar al proceso fueron tan accidentados y
extravagantes, que vale la pena relatarlos en forma sucinta. Producto de
su desempeño profesional como publicista, Pesant ha hecho no pocos
dossiers por encargo, con fines de promoción. Estos son solicitados por
artistas deseosos de mostrar un currículo con el fin de ser contratados.
Los contratos de mayor demanda son, por supuesto, los que contemplan
viajes al extranjero.

"Alguien" dijo al padrastro de una joven a quien Pesant realizó uno de
esos dossiers que una foto de su hijastra, específicamente un desnudo,
estaba colocada en "Internet". Cuando el padrastro reclamó a Pesant
sobre ese particular, discutieron y el hombre perdió los estribos.
Apareció la policía y Pesant fue a dar con sus huesos y todo lo demás, a
la cárcel.

"Alguien", ambiguo e indeterminado, volvió a intervenir. Aunque la foto
de marras no había sido vista por persona alguna, excepto, claro está,
por nuestro "alguien", Pesant fue formalmente acusado de un supuesto
delito de abuso lascivo.

De esta forma, sin prueba alguna fue incoado el proceso. Pesant hubo de
permanecer más de treinta horas arrestado hasta la vista pública
convocada para la mañana del pasado día 5 de abril.

El juicio fue celebrado a puertas cerradas, en el mejor estilo promovido
por la policía de Seguridad del régimen de Fidel Castro. Sólo se
permitió acceso a familiares cercanos de Pesant y de la parte
"agraviada". Esta última, ya no tan segura de haber sido efectivamente
afectada, ya que hasta el momento, ni ellos ni persona alguna han visto
la dichosa foto.

Ante la evidente falta de pruebas y elementos procesales, la presidenta
de la sala dictó la suspensión del juicio hasta el próximo 17 de abril y
la libertad condicional del acusado hasta esa fecha.

A la vista asistieron, sin que se les permitiera participar en calidad
de espectadores, Hugo Padrón Azcuy, presidente del Movimiento Liberal
Cubano (MLC), Roberto Miranda del ejecutivo de ese grupo político,
Manuel Cuesta Morúa, secretario general de la Corriente Socialista
Democrática de Cuba, Heriberto Portales, presidente del Partido del
Pueblo Cubano (Ortodoxo), Carlos Archenton del Partido Solidaridad
Democrática (PSD) y otros activistas políticos y colegas de la prensa
independiente.

Julio Aleaga Pesant, una vez puesto en libertad condicional, abandonó el
lugar en compañía de su esposa, Ivette Cacel.
Interrogado por este reportero manifestó encontrarse en buena
disposición de ánimo. Pesant declinó referirse al incidente al que
calificó de "provocación de poca monta". Más adelante ratificó su
disposición a continuar su labor como periodista libre y de asesoría al MLC.

El consenso de opinión entre los opositores que se dieron cita en el
tribunal coincide en señalar a la policía de Seguridad del régimen como
la mano que movió los hilos del "incidente". León Padrón, del MLC,
señaló que el detonante para el tinglado montado contra Pesant pudo
haber sido su participación en un equipo asesor recientemente inaugurado
por esta agrupación política.

La Policía Nacional incautó en el registro efectuado en su vivienda una
computadora y el equipamiento digital con que contaba Pesant. Se ignora
las razones o el propósito de la medida. Ni la computadora ni el resto
del equipamiento fueron presentados como prueba o tan siquiera
mencionados en el acta sumarial. Para algunos, quizás éste fue el
objetivo de toda esta historia, además de, por supuesto, intimidar al
comunicador.

Uno de los asistentes, a quien no se le permitió pasar a presenciar la
vista comentó: "Uno de los oficiales de la Seguridad presentes en el
tribunal dijo en voz alta: 'La revolución no puede preparar un master
para que sirva a la contrarrevolución'. Este es todo el lío contra
Julito", concluyó.

http://www.bitacoracubana.com/desdecuba/portada2.php?id=1812

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Message 11
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
Date: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:34am(PDT)
Subject: Detienen a bibliotecaria independiente

Detienen a bibliotecaria independiente
Juan Carlos Linares Balmaseda
Bitácora Cubana, 13 de abril de 2006 - La Habana (Cubanet.org)

Ainí Martín Valero, bibliotecaria independiente, fue detenida durante
varias horas en la estación policial del poblado capitalino Regla. Un
policía de civil que se identificó como el agente de busca y captura
Yoandris García, se presentó en su domicilio, en calle Fresneda entre
Millar y Recreo, pasadas las 2 de la tarde del 10 de abril, con una
orden de detención.

El pasado 7 de abril, Valero inauguró la biblioteca independiente "Luis
Quevedo Remolina" en su domicilio, con la presencia de algunos vecinos e
invitados y la cobertura de la prensa extranjera.

El movimiento de bibliotecas independientes en Cuba es objeto de
constante persecución por parte del régimen, y sus organizadores son
acosados para impedir el desarrollo de estas instituciones culturales
independientes.

Ainí Valero, además de sus actividades como bibliotecaria independiente,
es miembro del ejecutivo de la Unión Sindical de Trabajadores
Independientes de Cuba.

http://www.bitacoracubana.com/desdecuba/portada2.php?id=1811

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Message 12
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
Date: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:35am(PDT)
Subject: Continua represion contra presidente de asociacion de sordos

Continúa represión contra presidente de asociación de sordos
Por Luis Esteban Espinosa
Bitácora Cubana, 13 de abril de 2006 – Ciego de Ávila

Yoandy Quintana Sarría, presidente de la Asociación de Sordos
Independientes de Cuba, denuncia que este 6 de abril fue arrestado
violentamente por la patrulla 373 de la Policía Nacional Revolucionaria
(PNR) en combinación con el jefe de sector del Puente Elevado de Ciego
de Ávila, lugar donde reside.

Añadió que una vez en la primera unidad de la PNR le decomisaron dos
gomas de bicicletas de su propiedad, le impusieron 500 pesos de multa y
le levantaron un acta de advertencia amenazándolo con cuatro años de
privación de libertad.

Yoandy Quintana Sarría, de 22 años de edad, es reprimido a diario por la
policía política por juntar la Asociación de Sordos Independientes de
Cuba. Además, es sordomudo y tiene una delicada operación en la cabeza
que requirió platino.

Luis Esteban Espinosa, periodista independiente de la agencia Jóvenes
sin Censura.

http://www.bitacoracubana.com/desdecuba/portada2.php?id=1808

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Message 13
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
Date: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:36am(PDT)
Subject: Anaden anos torturan y golpean a reo inocente

Añaden años, torturan y golpean a reo inocente.
Jorge Rodríguez Hernández - Cárcel de Melena del Sur, La Habana
Denuncia

Bitácora Cubana, 13 de abril de 2006 - La Habana

Por este medio denuncio que fui sancionado por el Tribunal Provincial de
la ciudad de La Habana en el año 1993 por un robo con sentencia de 8
años de cárcel por la cual no fui “recogido” hasta el año 1997. Soy
inocente de dicha sanción, me sancionaron sin pruebas por convicción
moral y cuando me recogieron me hicieron una sanción conjunta con otra
causa de arma de fuego con una condena de 12 años.

Me evadí de un centro abierto en el año 2003 y me sancionaron a 2 años,
me achacaron otra arma de fuego que ocuparon en el domicilio donde me
capturaron y sin prueba de ser mía y sin yo presenciar el registro me
sancionaron a 2 años adicionales, como sanción conjunta a 16 años de
cárcel. Por todo, llevo 9 años cumplidos.

Por ser un reo que reclamo mis derechos y me les impongo a los
militares, he sido golpeado brutalmente, torturado y hasta despojado de
mis dientes naturales de una patada con botas rusas. Esto fue hace unos
años, pero las torturas fueron en el 2004 y 2005, así como varias
golpizas sin contar que estoy pasado de mi régimen de mínima severidad y
no me la dan. También he sido nutrido por la fuerza en huelgas de hambres.

Testigo de esto lo es el ex preso político ya en exilio, señor Infante
Blanco, quien me conoce por “El Billy de la Güinera”, Reparto del
Municipio de Arroyo Naranjo en la ciudad de La Habana.

En Cuba no hay derechos humanos y hay miles de presos injustamente.

http://www.bitacoracubana.com/desdecuba/portada2.php?id=1806

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Message 14
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
Date: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:42am(PDT)
Subject: Golpean a reclusos de la prision provincial de Canaleta

Golpean a reclusos de la prisión provincial de Canaleta
Por Luis Esteban Espinosa
Bitácora Cubana, 13 de abril de 2006 – Ciego de Ávila

El prisionero político y de conciencia Pedro Argüelles Morán, condenado
a 20 años de cárcel por ejercer el periodismo independiente, denuncia
desde la prisión provincial de canaleta, en Ciego de Ávila, que dos
reclusos comunes fueron víctimas de fuertes golpizas a manos de los
carceleros los días 30 y 31 de marzo.

Añadió la fuente que Bernardo Batista León, residente de Ciego de Ávila,
y Elvis Moreno Montero, de la Ciudad de Morón, fueron apaleados y
lanzados posteriormente a estrechas celdas de castigo y aislamiento.

Según Argüelles Morán, la investigación llevada a cabo por varios
militares fue engavetada por el oficial Gamboa, segundo jefe de Orden
Interior, y otro que se hace llamar “el Jabao”.

Luis Esteban Espinosa, periodista independiente de la agencia Jóvenes
sin Censura.

http://www.bitacoracubana.com/desdecuba/portada2.php?id=1809

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Message 15
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
Date: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:49am(PDT)
Subject: Repression on the rise

Cuba: Repression on the rise
Rafael Ferro Salas, Abdala Press

PINAR DEL RIO, Cuba - March (www.cubanet.org) - Cuban prisons remain
packed full of political prisoners and as if this weren't enough,
repression against dissidents, opponents of the regime, independent
journalists and correspondents is on the rise.

All this is made clear with the recent detentions and threats carried
out by the forces of the State Security against members of the
opposition on the threshold of the third anniversary of the wave of
repression of March 2003.

In the municipality of Consolación del Sur in this province, the house
of Felipe Gil Sanjudo, the correspondent of this press agency, was
visited by two State Security agents and by the sector chief of the
police in that territory. They threatened to jail Sanjudo if he
participated in the activity commemorating the anniversary. They also
told him they wouldn't allow him to travel to the city of Pinar del Río.

"For obvious reasons, they knew I was going to participate in an
activity organized by FLAMUR (Federation of Latin American Rural Women).
That activity was going to be held in Pinar del Río. They prohibited me
from leaving my home so I wouldn't be at the meeting. I couldn't go, but
the activity happened and that's enough for me to feel satisfied,"
Sanjudo indicated.

In the same city of Pinar del Río, Abigail Ortega Beltrán, director of
the "Polo Montañez" independent library, was visited at his home by an
official known as Beune.

"The official went to my house on the day of the activity and threatened
to jail me if he found out I was at the meeting," Ortega said by
telephone. "I told him I would go and that's what I did. Now I don't
know what his reaction will be, what mattered to me was to be present
there. There's no reason to jail me for doing that, it's my right as a
human being. It's good that these things happening to us dissidents in
Cuban are made known to the world."

The fact remains that what with detentions and threats, the majority of
the opposition parties and organizations inside the island carried out
the commemoration meetings.

On March 18, 2003, the political police of the Cuban regime carried out
operations against dissidents, opponents and independent journalists.
After days of detentions and searches of the homes of those involved,
summary trials were held where those being prosecuted were sentenced to
long prison terms.

Every March 18th the opposition parties and organizations commemorate
the date, facing harassment from the political police.

The police forces have brigades of collaborators with the system who
provide support during the operations against the dissidents. Some
opponents of the regime have been physically attacked by these mobs.

In the eastern zone of the island in the town of San Luis in Santiago de
Cuba, Maura Isset was assaulted in her own home along with her husband.
They also insulted her verbally for belonging to the dissidents. Isset
is affiliated with the Federation of Latin American Rural Women (FLAMUR).

Three years after the 18th of March, 2003, the prisoners continue to be
imprisoned in worse conditions of overcrowding, while in the street the
struggle between adversaries hasn't stopped: it's the true face of Cuba.

http://www.cubanet.org/CNews/y06/apr06/14e7.htm

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Message 16
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
Date: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:49am(PDT)
Subject: More than 100 demonstrate outside dissidents home

More than 100 demonstrate outside dissident's home

CIEGO DE AVILA, Cuba, April 11(Abel Escobar Ramírez / www.cubanet.org) -
More than 100 people congregated outside the home of Apolinar Borroto,
63, president of the Cuban Foundation for Human Rights in the
municipality of Jatibonico in Sancti Spíritus province last week and
shouted pro-government slogans.

Independent journalist Luís Esteban Espinosa said the pro-government
protesters were led by Silvia Pérez Castañeda, president of the local
block committee.

Among the phrases shouted were "Down with Imperialism!" "Terrorist!" and
"Mercenary!"

Borroto's home was recently the site of an anti-government demonstration
marking the third anniversary of the arrest and sentencing of 75 dissidents.

http://www.cubanet.org/CNews/y06/apr06/14e6.htm

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Message 17
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
Date: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:50am(PDT)
Subject: Authorities demolish stands of independent sellers

Authorities demolish stands of independent sellers

CIEGO DE AVILA, Cuba, April 11 (Antonio Femenías, Agencia Patria /
www.cubanet.org) - Municipal authorities last weekend destroyed the
stands used by independent sellers of farm products.

The only products to be allowed are those from cooperative farms which
pay taxes to the government.

However, the independent sellers will be allowed to offer their products
two Sundays a month at a fairs organized by local authorities

http://www.cubanet.org/CNews/y06/apr06/14e4.htm

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Message 18
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
Date: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:50am(PDT)
Subject: Wife and sister of imprisoned journalist strip searched

Wife and sister of imprisoned journalist strip searched

CIEGO DE AVILA, Cuba, April 11 (Roberto Pérez, Agencia Patria /
www.cubanet.org) Lidia Lores and her sister-in-law, Clara Lourdes Prieto
Llorente, say they were forced to completely disrobe and undergo a body
search before being permitted to visit Lores' imprisoned husband,
independent journalist Fabio Prieto Llorente.

The incident occurred March 29 at the Guayabo Prison on the Isle of
Pines, where Prieto Llorente is serving a 20-year sentence, meted out in
2003.

Prieto Llorente's wife called the Cuban Foundation of Human Rights to
report that she and her husband's sister had been subjected to body
searches.

"I'm prepared to support this humiliation and many others that they're
capable of practicing in an attempt to prevent me from seeing my
brother," Clara Lourdes Prieto Llorente said.

http://www.cubanet.org/CNews/y06/apr06/14e3.htm

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Message 19
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
Date: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:51am(PDT)
Subject: Dissidents stopped and told they were illegally in Havana

Dissidents stopped and told they were illegally in Havana

HAVANA, April 12 (Richard Roselló / www.cubanet.org) - Two dissidents
from Santiago de Cuba were stopped by police last week and told they
were in the capital illegally because they did not have transportation
documents authorizing their visit.

Ángel Leonardo Mora Baltasar and Jordanis Camacho Marcel told the police
that they were in the city to visit relatives.

"I came to see my sister who's going to be operated on." Mora Baltasar
said, while Camacho said he was going to visit a relative he had not
seen in a long time.

"That's not the way it works,' replied a police officer. "You have to
carry a transit document signed by the municipality where you live in
order to come to Havana from Santiago de Cuba."

Mora Baltazar and Camacho are members of the dissident National
Transition to Democracy Board.

http://www.cubanet.org/CNews/y06/apr06/14e2.htm

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Message 20
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
Date: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:52am(PDT)
Subject: Prisoner put in solitary confinement after wife falls ill

Prisoner put in solitary confinement after wife falls ill

CAMAGUEY, Cuba, April 12 (Fernando Tabares / www.cubanet.org) -
Dissident prisoner Orencio Rafael Guerra Ramírez was placed in solitary
confinement last weekend after demanding medical attention for wife, who
lost consciousness after falling ill during a visit to the Cerámica Roja
prison, according to reports from another prisoner.

René Montes de Oca Martij, general secretary of the Cuban Pro Human
Rights Party, said in a note smuggled out of the prison that the
incident occurred April 9.

When Guerra Ramírez was unable to revive his wife, Quirenia Padrón
Pérez, he asked State Security agents to move her to the prison's
infirmary or to a hospital. When arrangements were being made to take
her to a hospital, the prisoner was told the only means of
transportation was a cart pulled by a pair of oxen that was used to haul
garbage from the prison.

Guerra Ramírez started to shout anti-government slogans and was taken to
a solitary confinement cell.

Hours later his wife was taken to the Amalia Simoni Hospital. The note
did not say what type of transportation was used.

http://www.cubanet.org/CNews/y06/apr06/14e1.htm

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Message 21
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
Date: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:54am(PDT)
Subject: Nube negra

ECOLOGIA
Nube negra
Odelín Alfonso Torna

LA HABANA, Cuba - Abril (www.cubanet.org) - A escasos kilómetros del
centro de la capital, en el municipio Arroyo Naranjo, se encuentra la
empresa de construcciones militares (EPMC), destinada a la producción de
materiales de la construcción, piezas de hormigón, estructuras
metálicas, moldes etc.

Unos de los renglones fundamentales es la producción de asfalto, para lo
cual se vale de una planta de más de cincuenta años.

El asfalto, compuesto por piedra y asfaltil, despide en su proceso una
nube de polvo contaminante que suele recorrer varios kilómetros.

Un promedio de doce horas diarias requiere la planta para su proceso
productivo. El calentamiento comienza en las primeras horas de la
madrugada y se extiende hasta el mediodía.

Los repartos Parcelación Moderna, Eléctrico y Calvario, aledaños a esta
asfaltera, son los más perjudicados por la nube tóxica. Asma bronquial y
falta de aire suelen ser los padecimientos más comunes.

Los pobladores de Parcelación Moderna recorren aproximadamente dos
kilómetros para auxiliarse de oxígenos y aerosol en el policlínico más
cercano, debido a que están inhabilitadas sus tres postas médicas. Sólo
una presta servicios diurnos en días alternos.

En sucesivas reuniones cederistas de rendición de cuentas los pobladores
han planteado la necesidad de poner fin a estas emisiones de polvo. En
dos ocasiones la compañera federada Magdalena Rodríguez se ha dirigido
al Consejo de Estado por escrito, apoyando la iniciativa con recogidas
de firmas.

El Ejército Occidental es el único accionista y responsable de esta
contaminación. Este asfalto está destinado a unidades militares,
construcciones recreativas y recaudadoras de divisas pertenecientes a
las FAR, batallas de ideas, etc.

Lejos del lucro y la contaminación, repartos como Santos Suárez, Luyanó,
Juanelo y La Cuevita, desahuciados por los años, esperan por cicatrizar
sus calles.

Paralelamente a la asfaltera, a unos ochocientos metros está el
crematorio de desperdicio de la capital, fácil de divisar por los
conductores que transitan por la autopista que parte desde calle Cien
hasta Santa Fe.

En este tramo de la muerte, como le llaman algunos buzos del (SIB),
sindicato independiente de la basura, han perecido varias personas,
sobre todo en horas de la noche, debido a la cortina de humo que impide
la visibilidad de los conductores.

A más de diez años de la cumbre de Rió de Janeiro donde el estrepitoso
discurso de Castro hizo llorar a la madre naturaleza, hoy, el gran
caimán sufre de achaques. La tala de árboles y las explotaciones de los
ecosistemas como el de la Ciñenaga de Zapata, todo con el afán de
obtener divisas, demuestran el esfuerzo del gobierno por destruir el
medio ambiente.

La queja del subproducto asfáltico está en manos del gobierno o en
cestos de basura del Comité Central (si atravesó el camino) o tal vez le
sirvió de combustible al crematorio provincial. Mientras se espera una
solución, los vecinos afectados pedirán el aire por señas.

Quién detendrá la cortina de humo en el tramo de la muerte o la negra
textura de las fachadas capitalinas provocada por el humo de los
camellos. Seguiremos amaneciendo con la nube negra de la vieja
asfaltera, porque el gobierno, como el viejo Andrés, "no tiene tiempo
para más". Se va a morir solo.

http://www.cubanet.org/CNews/y06/apr06/13a10.htm

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Message 22
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
Date: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:55am(PDT)
Subject: Bretes chismes y espias

POLITICA
Bretes, chismes y espías
Luis Cino

LA HABANA, Cuba - Abril (www.cubanet.org) - No por tantas veces
repetido, en chistes o como metáfora, deja de ser una realidad: Miami es
la segunda ciudad cubana más poblada.

Como una especie de Taiwán criollo, continental y bajo el pabellón de
las barras y las estrellas, incurablemente enfermo de nostalgias por
Cuba, Miami no ha logrado independizarse de Fidel Castro.

No sólo sus remesas ayudan a apuntalar a la maltrecha economía cubana.
La Habana vigila a Miami y le tiende zancadillas. De espiar, confundir y
dividir al exilio se ocupa la Contrainteligencia cubana. Con similares
métodos y tesón que contra los disidentes de Párraga, Lawton, Ciego de
Ávila o Villa Clara.

El caso del matrimonio de académicos espías, infiltrados en la
Universidad Internacional de la Florida, ha vuelto a remover polémicas y
paranoias.

Como en los días del descubrimiento de la Red Avispa, algunos creen
avistar segurosos montados en motos Suzuki por la Calle 8.

Se calcula que el gobierno cubano mantiene alrededor de 400 agentes de
todo tipo en los Estados Unidos. Amén de los menos obvios.

Los apologistas de la Revolución de Fidel Castro no están sólo en el
Granma o la Mesa Redonda. Ni todos los intelectuales orgánicos del
régimen están en los rediles de la UNEAC. Andan salteados y saltarines,
por toda la diáspora, Miami incluido.

Los agentes del Departamento 14 también. A veces no espían, en el
sentido estricto de la palabra. Se limitan a crear bretes, intrigas y
chismes. Los cubanos, de aquí y de allá, desmesurados como somos,
hacemos el resto.

No tiene por qué extrañarse cierto sector del exilio con los
desencuentros de la oposición cubana. Por allá, también cuecen habas.
Los instigadores de intolerancias y querellas, en La Habana o Miami, son
los mismos. Todo está detallado en un mismo guión perverso.

De algunos rincones del exilio llueven dardos contra la oposición
cubana. Contra Oswaldo Payá y el Proyecto Varela. Contra Marta Beatriz
Roque y la Asamblea para Promover la Sociedad Civil en Cuba.

También contra los periodistas independientes. Vapuleados por enemigos y
amigos, plagiados, ninguneados y mal pagados.

Detrás de todos, ven agazapado a un colaborador. Como si el defender la
democracia desde Cuba sin caer presos los convirtiera automáticamente en
sospechosos.

Con dolor, nos hemos tenido que resignar a todo eso. A ignorar a
suspicaces, intolerantes y paranoicos. A no hacer demasiado caso de los
bravucones que gritan en llamadas de larga distancia. A esquivar a
provocadores y malintencionados. A conocer a las personas por sus hechos.

Ha sido duro pero útil aprender que los enfrentamientos estériles sólo
benefician a la Seguridad del Estado.

De guiarnos por los cazadores de infiltrados, pudiéramos llegar a la
conclusión de que la disidencia interna fue una invención de Fidel
Castro. Que la creó, a su imagen y semejanza, para entretenerse y poner
a prueba la capacidad de sus servicios de inteligencia.

Las exageraciones nunca son buenas. El exceso, tanto de ingenuidad como
de cautela, son caros pecados. La lucha por la libertad y la democracia
no puede limitarse a un safari contra espías y chivatos.

En la construcción de la patria mejor que soñamos, todo se complementa.
La Asamblea para Promover la Sociedad Civil, el Proyecto Varela, Todos
Unidos, la prensa independiente, las Damas de Blanco…Los represores no
hacen exclusiones. Nosotros tampoco debemos hacerlas.

Toda la disidencia interna necesita el apoyo del exilio. Le es vital.
Pero también respeto y comprensión.

No nos andemos por las ramas. Si no aprendemos a vivir en democracia ya,
no lo aprenderemos nunca.

El más triste colofón de la dictadura pudiera ser el de un pueblo
peleando contra su propia sombra.

Cuando llegue el momento de la verdad y la reconciliación nacional,
necesaria e ineludible, algunos represores, los menos manchados, tendrán
una justificación: obedecían órdenes. Para los errores de los que
luchaban por la democracia, no habrá coartadas.

http://www.cubanet.org/CNews/y06/apr06/13a9.htm

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Message 23
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
Date: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:56am(PDT)
Subject: Doctora maltrata a reclusos en Kilo 8

Abril 13, 2006
Doctora maltrata a reclusos en Kilo 8

CAMAGUEY, Cuba - 12 de abril (Marilyn Díaz Fernández, Lux Info Press /
www.cubanet.org) - El periodista independiente Juan Carlos Herrera
Acosta denunció "la actitud servil de la doctora Geidys Borrero Elias",
jefa del puesto médico de la prisión camagüeyana Kilo 8, ante los
oficiales del Departamento de Seguridad del Estado (DSE).

Herrera Acosta dice que esta profesional de la medicina está plegada a
la Seguridad del Estado, que mantiene una actitud totalmente hostil
contra los presos, y que se manifestó como una carcelera y no como una
médica, obstruyendo la entrega de medicamentos a los reclusos e
ignorando los padecimientos de éstos.

"Ella, al igual que los otros doctores del penal, no tiene ni conoce
nada de ética médica, y odia a los presos, sobre todo porque este odio
se lo inculcan los propios guardias a través de las estrechas relaciones
íntimas y de amistad que mantienen con ella", expresó Juan Carlos
telefónicamente.

El también coordinador nacional del Movimiento Jóvenes por la
Democracia, agregó que "es muy triste ver tanto despotismo y desprecio
en el trato que reciben los reclusos por parte del personal encargado de
la salud en esta mazmorra castrista, donde cualquiera se muere de un
dolor, y no le suministran ni una aspirina, porque aquí los presos son
vistos y tratados como perros y no como seres humanos".

Agregó el comunicador independiente condenado a 20 años de cárcel que
"esta señora no merece tener un título y una bata blanca de galena,
porque ella es una sicaria más del régimen cubano, que no ama ni a su
profesión ni a los seres humanos".

LUX INFO-PRESS
Agencia Cubana Independiente de Información y Prensa
E-mail: Fsindical@aol.com

http://www.cubanet.org/sindical/news/y06/04130601.html

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Message 24
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
Date: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:57am(PDT)
Subject: La verdadera razon de mi cautiverio es haber denunciado al gobierno

DESDE LA CARCEL
"La verdadera razón de mi cautiverio es haber denunciado al gobierno de
mi país": Oscar Mario González

LA HABANA, Cuba - Abril (www.cubanet.org) - "Nunca pensé que mi modesto
e irrelevante aporte al futuro de Cuba tuviera mayor connotación. Soy un
simple ciudadano que intentaba difundir la naturaleza brutal y
demagógica del gobierno cubano, pensando que con ello colocaba un grano
de arena en la edificación inexorable de la Cuba venidera.", señala el
periodista independiente Oscar Mario González, quien se encuentra
encarcelado desde julio de 2005 sin que se le haya celebrado juicio, en
carta a su hija, residente en Suiza.

PRISION 1580, La Habana - Febrero 14, 2006.

Hija querida: Yo, el que te ha acompañado desde la infancia, al que
nunca has visto atentar contra nadie ni tocar con el dedo el fino pétalo
de la concordia social, hoy está en el presidio, desde el cual te escribe.

Nosotros, tú y yo, que durante tantos años hemos estado escribiéndonos,
jamás imaginamos que un día tuviéramos que hacerlo bajo una situación
tan adversa para mí. Nunca pensé escribirte desde el presidio.

¡Así son las cosas por acá! De todo se ve y todo puede suceder sobre
esta verde islita, sobre este mundo alucinante y triste del que algunos
aún tejen ideas y fantasías alejadas de nuestra realidad, y poseedores
únicamente de algunos criterios difundidos por la historia negra que
sobre Cuba ha fabricado el castrismo.

¡Pobres los incapaces de hurgar en pos de la verdad! ¡Ha habido otros
que por envidia y demás oscuros sentimientos justifican cualquier
atropello siempre que se haga en nombre de una falsa igualdad y de una
justicia social inexistente. Están aún los que, utilizando las
prerrogativas de la sociedad democráticas crean tiranías que niegan toda
libertad y conculcan los más elementales derechos humanos.

Las razones para mi encarcelamiento son incomprensibles para cualquiera
que viva en la sociedad en que tú vives, pero totalmente entendible para
el cubano.

Tuve la indiscreción de criticar y cuestionar al gobierno de mi país y
denunciar su carácter totalitario y dictatorial ante el mundo. Lo hice
de la única forma que sé hacerlo y que se aviene con mi carácter:
pacíficamente y a través de la palabra.

El gobierno cubano, como otrora hicieran las dictaduras de Gerardo
Machado y Fulgencio Batista, nos endilgan el nombre de delincuentes y le
agregan los epítetos de mercenarios y agentes del imperialismo yanqui.

Te juro, hija mía, que jamás he tenido ni siquiera una entrevista
privada con funcionario alguno de los Estados Unidos o de cualquier otro
país. Aunque nada de malo hubiera en ello. Por otra parte, la única
remuneración económica que he recibido de la única agencia de prensa
para la cual he escrito, Cubanet, apenas ha cubierto mis modestas y
escasas necesidades materiales.

Te respeto demasiado para mancillar mi nombre con algo tan deshonesto.
Te amo con la requerida intensidad como para evadir cualquier desliz que
empañe mi reputación. Te quiero lo suficiente, y más aún, para nublar
tan hermoso cariño con el deshonor.

La verdadera razón de mi cautiverio es haber denunciado al gobierno de
mi país ante una agencia de prensa cubana radicada en Miami porque los
medios de prensa de Cuba están cerrados para los que, como yo, expresan
criterios independientes. En ellos sólo tienen cabida los adulones y
apologistas del poder político. Por mi parte, siempre he pensado y he
pensado lo que he dicho en un clima de absoluto respeto.

He sentido la necesidad expresada en un mandato de conciencia, de hacer
públicos los abusos y atropellos del poder político que por más de 47
años ha estado sobre la nación cubana.

Nunca pensé que mi modesto e irrelevante aporte al futuro de Cuba
tuviera mayor connotación. Soy un simple ciudadano que intentaba
difundir la naturaleza brutal y demagógica del gobierno cubano, pensando
que con ello colocaba un grano de arena en la edificación inexorable de
la Cuba venidera. ¡Cómo pensar que tan nobles e inofensivos propósitos
pudieran acarrearme un presidio a mis 62 años y con mis achaques! El
amor a mi país, mi devoción a la libertad y a la democracia han sido los
causantes de mi cautiverio.

Si algún día oyeras a tu padre decir algo que contradiga lo que hasta
aquí te he referido, piensa que no es tu padre el que habla. Sería otro
hombre maniatado, endrogado o presa del miedo, pero no sería tu padre y
estaría obligado a decirlo bajo la presión del chantaje o la amenaza.

Espero que algún día podamos vernos aquí en nuestro país, en un futuro
de libertad y progreso. Tomados de la mano andar por las calles de La
Habana, sin odios ni temores y sin el desasosiego de volver la cara
temerosos, y con la vista fija únicamente en el porvenir.

Incúlcale a mi nieto, junto al amor a Dios y al prójimo, la devoción a
los derechos humanos y a la libertad, de modo que nunca comulgue con la
injusticia y el atropello.

Que Dios los bendiga y que me permita pronto depositar un beso grande
que para tu frente llevo aquí en el corazón.

Te quiere, Papá.

http://www.cubanet.org/CNews/y06/apr06/13a1.htm

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Message 25
From: "PL" pl.nospam@pandora.be
Date: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:58am(PDT)
Subject: La soga es mas blanda

La soga es más blanda
Marilyn Díaz Fernández

CAMAGUEY, Cuba - Abril (www.cubanet.org) - Todo parece indicar que la
gestión de compra de productos alimenticios del agro para luego
venderlos en las placitas, por parte de la empresa de acopio de
Camagüey, está atravesando por una crisis total.

Esto se hace visible en las llamadas placitas del municipio Sibanicú,
que se han convertido en verdaderos asentamientos de moscas debido a la
carencia casi absoluta de mercancías, que llegan al mercado en
cantidades ínfimas y con mala calidad a precios inaccesibles para la
mayoría de la población.

En los días en que hay algo que comprar, las colas y las discusiones se
mantienen hasta que se agotan los productos. El resto del tiempo los
habitantes de Sibanicú se acercan a las placitas, y al verlas vacías,
regresan a casa con la preocupación de qué comerán ese día. Comentan
entonces con vecinos y familiares sobre la escasez de viandas y
vegetales que debe proveer el sector estatal.

Muchos culpan a la sequía por la falta de productos agrícolas, mientras
los menos ciegos hablan de ineficiencia, falta de gestión y pocos deseos
de trabajar. Pero todos coinciden en que la lucha por encontrar un
bocado de comida es la prioridad número uno para el pueblo. Algo que
"ignoran" los encargados de abastecer los mercados.

Por otra parte, las autoridades policiales han eliminado en Sibanicú las
ventas furtivas de alimentos, mientras que el nivel adquisitivo de la
población está muy por debajo de sus necesidades básicas.

Cuando llegué a "La calabacita", la placita más cercana a mi hogar,
ubicado en una de las zonas periféricas del pueblo conocido como Barrio
del Termo, divisé la pizarra informativa. Aparentaba estar vacía, sin
anuncios de productos. Me acerqué más pensando que podía estar fallando
mi visión. No me quedó entonces más remedio que sonreír, para no llorar,
al ver escritas en la pizarra estas palabras: SOGA a 14 pesos la unidad.

Pensé que tal vez los proveedores de Acopio creen que si la gente en
este país "se come un cable" y no pasa nada, bien podrían comerse una
soga, que es más blanda.

http://www.cubanet.org/CNews/y06/apr06/14a8.htm

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TOPIC: PEDOFILIA UP THE TOP
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f6abfb4f67d01fec
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 4:39 am
From: "NagaEmas"

"serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:R6j0g.3465$iB2.3052@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> April 14, 2006 -- Pedophilia and the Department of Homeland Security. This
> anonymous posting to a blog forwarded to WMR rings very true. DHS is a
> ruse created from the ashes and rubble of the World Trade Center, the
> Pentagon, and rural Pennsylvania to perpetuate even greater and more
> heinous crimes against the most vulnerable Americans: the children:
>
> I was a field agent for the DHS in Oklahoma for about 2.5 years and was
> asked on a few occasions to pick up some "puppy chow" or "tender vittles."
>
> When I learned about these expressions I was shocked. I have children of
> my own and I raised the issue and was let go because I was suddenly
> "inadequate" for the job. Now, I cannot get a job even as a security
> officer guarding a cemetery. I have been out of work for about 4 months. I
> am faced with relocating far away to a different state and might have
> to leave the country, if possible and necessary.
>
> I feel that my records have me black-listed.
>
> I would rather not say more.

Why not? Why...why....why....?

>
>

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TOPIC: Hersh vs. Bush: Who Would You Believe?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 4:41 am
From: Roedy Green

On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 23:31:23 GMT, NY.Transfer.News@blythe.org wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :

>Hersh vs. Bush: Who Would You Believe?

I believe Hersh because of his track record. He was the one to break
Mai Lai and Abu Ghraib. The right wingers all claimed he was lying
back then, and it turned out they were.

I also believe Hersh because Bush is behaving almost identically in
Iran as he did in Iraq. Bush is like a serial murder using his
established M.O. He refuses to negotiate. He fabricates evidence. He
claims security as a motive, which is preposterous, while his actual
motive is control of oil.

--
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http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching.

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TOPIC: Dalai Lama Meets With Muslims in Calif.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 9:42 pm
From: "http://vmdd.tech.mylinuxisp.com/buddhism/"

Source:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060416/ap_on_re_us/dalai_lama_muslims_1

Dalai Lama Meets With Muslims in Calif.

By JUSTIN M. NORTON, Associated Press Writer

1 hour, 11 minutes ago

SAN FRANCISCO - The Dalai Lama urged religious leaders Saturday to
reach out to Muslims, saying Islam is a compassionate faith that
has been unfairly maligned because of a few extremists.

"Nowadays to some people the Muslim tradition appears more
militant," the 70-year-old exiled monk said at a weekend
conference, which aimed to bring Muslims and Buddhists together.

"I feel that's totally wrong. Muslims, like any other traditions --
same message, same practice. That is a practice of compassion," he
said.

Event organizers say the Dalai Lama interrupted his schedule to fly
to San Francisco and meet Islamic scholars and leaders from other
faiths to discuss reducing violence and extremism.

Security was tight at the invitation-only event, which drew about
500 religious leaders and scholars. The conference included
speakers and presenters from numerous faiths and roughly 30
countries.

The Dalai Lama told the audience that many people see and hear news
of suicide bombings in predominantly Muslim countries but don't
hear about how Muslims often work with the poor.

He said all human beings are prone to violence if they lose control
of their emotions and not to judge an entire faith based on a few
people. "A few mischievous people are always there," he said.

The Dalai Lama, who was awarded the 1989 Nobel Peace Prize, fled
Tibet in 1959 following an aborted uprising against Chinese rule in
the territory and now keeps an office in exile in the Himalayan
town of Dharmsala, India.

The Dalai Lama also told conference attendees that religious
traditions must work harder to live together in peace, citing
religious violence in Northern Ireland, Pakistan and Iraq.

Hamza Yusuf, founder of the Zaytuna Institute, a Hayward-based
center for Islamic study, said the conference could help build
relationships between Buddhists and Muslims and promote a greater
understanding of Islam. He noted that Muslims and Buddhists lived
together peacefully for hundreds of years in Tibet.

Yusuf said the Dalai Lama's participation in the event could warm
Americans to Islam, since many Americans have mixed feelings about
the faith but are receptive to Buddhism.

"He wanted to meet us in solidarity as a community because he felt
like people were attacking Islam," Yusuf said.

Seyed Ali Ghazvini of the Islamic Cultural Center of Fresno said he
hoped the conference would encourage Muslims to be more visible and
active in the United States.

"This is a matter of necessity," said Ghazvini, who gave the Dalai
Lama a set of Islamic prayer beads. "It's not an option to sit
alone in our own community and our own mosques."

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TOPIC: Generals Break With Tradition A Cry For Help
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 7:36 pm
From: tnbracing@yahoo.com

TELLUSTHETRUTHCINDY@yahoo.com wrote:
> Israel: The Dead Roach in America's Salad
> by Charley Reese
>
> April 15, 2006
>
> The Israeli lobby and the neoconservatives are beating the drums for
> war with Iran.

So what would the lunatic in Terhan do if Israel took him at his word
and began dropping nuclear or thermonuclear six packs in the star of
david pattern on every city in Iran with a population over 10,000?

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=55856

Israel could say fuck Allah, fry all the little bastards...then ask who
is next!

>
> Find this article at:
>
> http://www.antiwar.com/reese/?articleid=8856
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Iran Showdown Tests Power of "Israel Lobby"
>
> http://www.alternet.org/story/34935/
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>
> Colin Powell feared the power of the pro-Israel lobby:
>
> http://www.selvesandothers.org/view3631.html
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Pro-Israel lobby paper given to Chris Matthews of 'Hardball' at USC :
>
> Here is the URL for the Daily Trojan article which mentions the
> Mearsheimer/Walt study (
> http://www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=49800 ) on the
> pro-Israel lobby which was given to Mr. Matthews at USC (it is
> mentioned in the last few sentences of the article):
>
> http://media.www.dailytrojan.com/media/storage/paper679/news/2006/04/12/News/Msnbcs.hardball.Films.Live.Segment.On.Campus-1845603.shtml?sourcedomain=www.dailytrojan.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com
>
>
> Here is a tiny URL for the above URL:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/zx96r
>
> Thinking about Neoconservatism:
>
> http://www.vdare.com/misc/macdonald_neoconservatism.htm

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 10:18 pm
From: "Bugman"

"Billy" <nevermind@cox.net> wrote in message
news:ZHh0g.11643$TK1.3881@fed1read06...
> Since when is a retired General selling a book, breaking tradition?
>
>

All of them?

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TOPIC: "A good illegal alien is a dead illegal alien"
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 7:40 pm
From: "rorik"

Scott Lowther wrote:
> rorik wrote:
>
> >lexcorp@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> >
> >
> >>rorik wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>beachshark1@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Hank wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>How could anyone dispute that slogan? This does not advocate the
> >>>>>killing of illegals but simply is a statement re: their value or lack
> >>>>>of value. Please, no whinning about them being unique creations of the
> >>>>>Master Planner of the Universe, etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Will
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>In the past several years, several states have pointedly passed
> >>>>legislation allowing homeowners to shoot to kill anyone who intrudes on
> >>>>their property.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Please give an example of such a law.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Depending on hwo you want to parse it, Florida's "Castle Doctrine" is
> >>one such law:
> >>http://www.gunlaws.com/FloridaCastleDoctrine.htm
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Actually, this is what I assumed "beachshark" was talking about.
> >Sorry, but there's no way the "Castle Doctrine" can plausibly be
> >interpreted as granting carte blanche to kill "anyone who intrudes on
> >your property."
> >
>
> Depends on how you define "intrude," doesn't it.

Yes. The term "intruding on one's property" describes what happens
when the neighborhood kids cut through your flower bed on their way to
school. Beachshark, Hank, etc., seem to believe the law allows them to
sit on their front porch with a 12-guage and blow away any of the kids
that happen to be brown. It doesn't.

The Florida law states
> (text yanked from PDF):
> (1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable
> 2 fear of imminent peril of death or bodily injury to himself or
> 3 herself or another when using defensive force that is intended
> 4 or likely to cause death or bodily injury to another if:
> 5 (a) The person against whom the defensive force was
> 6 used had unlawfully or forcibly entered or attempted to enter
> 7 a dwelling, residence, or vehicle or if that person had
> 8 removed or attempted to remove another from the dwelling,
> 9 residence, or vehicle; and
> 10 (b) The person using defensive force knew or had
> 11 reason to believe that an unlawful or forcible entry or
> 12 unlawful or forcible act had occurred.
>
> So, in short, a property owner is free to blast away at someone who
> enters a dwelling, residence, or vehicle unlawfully. "Intrude" would
> seem to be a reasonable term for this in a conversational setting.

No, the reasonable term for this is "forcible entry."

>
> > Although I suppose if one is seriously concerned about
> >the illegal alien "problem," the best course might be to pretend that
> >"beachshark" has it right. Let them start plunking away; then every
> >time one of "bs"'s buddies takes out an illegal alien, a racist would
> >also be taken off the streets.
>
> How do you figure? Are you assuming that anyone who would defend their
> property against tresspassers or intruders is automatically a racist?

I'm assuming that anyone who equates burglars with illegal immigrants,
and advocates killing them on sight, is ipso facto a racist, yes.

> Given that Mexico refuses to extradite any of their citizens for any
> crime committed in the US if that crime has the potential to carry not
> only the death sentence, but a *life* sentence, it would seem to make
> emminant sense to shoot to kill an illegal alien who breaks into your home.

Given that many juvenile court systems in the U.S. are too overburdened
to process kids charged with non-violent property crimes, would you
find that to be a good reason to murder any white teenager you catch
going through the boxes of comic books in your garage?

-rorik

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TOPIC: Shocking Pictures from Turkey!Seanie goes down on a donkey
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/628595681c318dac
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 7:40 pm
From: "SHIT THE DUMB TURK (Sean O'Penis)"

Your obsessive fantasies about rape, incest, and homosexuality are all
quite disturbing. Perhaps you should tell a teacher that things at
home
are amiss and see if you can't get rescued from the situation?

SHIT THE DUMB JURK wrote:
> Ali Asker wrote:
> > "Ilgaz Ocal" <ilgaz_ocal@yahoo.com > wrote in message
> > news:4abst8Fs8juoU1@individual.net...
> > > On 2006-04-14 22:54:59 +0300, "Ali Asker" <pasa_asker@kurdistan.kd> said:
> > >
> > >> The village guard : Turkish army used chemical weapon
> > >
> > > Chemical weapons are weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and they are not
> > > suitable to kill 10 people on open fields.
> > >
> > > Ask any army officer, whatever side you pick.
> >
> > I KNEW YOU WERE FUCKEN TURKISH SCUMBEG
>
>
>
> Stop your BEGGING filthy PKK terrorist BEGGAR !
>
>
>
> You will be flown to Gatwick from Belfast city, accompanied by an
> Immigration officer, you will be put on a special deportation flight to
> Istanbul
>
> On arrival at Istanbul you will be immediately arrested and you will
> face trial for those crimes you fled Turkiye to evade
>
> Justice will be done
>
> Britain will be free of parasitical, terrorist glorifying SCUM
>
> Hoshcha kalun aptal maymun

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 8:50 pm
From: "rich murphy"

http://www.turkishforum.com/pkk/img/photos/bebek_katili1.jpg
http://www.turkishforum.com/greece/visual.html

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Ali Asker (pasa_asker@lycos.com, <pasa_as...@kurdistan.kd>) is a self
proclaimed PKK terrorist and proud of his murders living off british
taxpayers goodwill in Belfast, UK.

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"From: Ali Asker (pasa_asker@lycos.com)
Subject: Re: Kuwerdish contribution to Oscar 2005
This is the only article in this thread
View: Original Format
Newsgroups: soc.culture.iranian, soc.culture.kurdish,
soc.culture.turkish, soc.culture.iraq
Date: 2004-10-02 04:55:12 PST

We are the TERRORISTS...

We will divide Iran, Turkey, Syria and Iraq in to the pieces until
ever single individual is free from thought control, torture and
brain-washing! Every nation should have their own land where they can
practice their own culture. Iran has consist of about 20 some
different nations and we will tore them in to 20 different countries
and give mollahs a small land where they can practice their barbaric
religion to themselves and only harm temselves.

WE WILL BREAK IRAN IN TO THE PIECES!!! "

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http://www.hurriyetim.com.tr/haber/0,,sid~381@nvid~607454,00.asp

Ereli: Our common interest is to stop the PKK

The U.S. State Department spokesman Adam Ereli in response to whether
the US would allow Turkey to enter the north of Iraq in order to
eliminate the terrorist organization, the Kurdistan Workers Party
(PKK), said that he was unaware that such a statement had been made and
that if it did become a question, the necessary military authorities
would deal with it.

Ereli reiterated that the US recognised the PKK as a terrorist
organization and would act with its common interest with Turkey in
preventing terrorism activities of the PKK.

"Both Turkey and the United States consider PKK a terrorist
organization. Both countries are active against PKK," Ereli indicated.
He noted that the two countries would continue to cooperate and work
together on this matter.

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http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=42380

Boucher: Ocalan Is A Terrorist Who Belongs In A Prison Cell

Published: 5/19/2005

WASHINGTON D.C. - The United States Department of State has announced
that Abdullah Ocalan is a terrorist who ''belongs in a prison cell.''

The U.S. Department of State has indicated that it took note of the
recent decision made by the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR) on
Ocalan and that this topic will be best handled by Turkey.

Spokesman of the U.S. Department of State Richard Boucher has said that
the U.S. continues to regard the PKK as a terrorist organization.

Describing Ocalan as a terrorist who belongs in a prison cell, Boucher
said that they did take a note of the ECHR decision.

Yet we believe that this topic would most appropriately be handled by
Turkey itself, commented Boucher.

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http://www.turkses.com/index.asp

The Terror Organization KADEK

1. General

Historical Background

The initial activities regarding the terror organization PKK have
started with the intellectual activities of some students defending the
Marxist-Leninist ideology within the Ankara's Democratic Patriotic
Students Association (ADYÖD) under the leadership of Abdullah ÖCALAN
since 1973.

Abdullah ÖCALAN and his friends declared the setting up of the
Kurdistan's Workers Party (PKK) during an illegal meeting held in the
Diyarbakir province, Lice district, Fis village on November 27, 1978
which was called 1 st. Congress.

The inital documents stating PKK's aim were the "The Way Of
Kurdistan's Revolution-Manifesto" and party program published in 1978.
According to the said program, the aim of the terror organization is to
found initially an independent Marxist-Leninist Kurdistan state in the
East and Southeast Anatolian regions in Turkey by using the method of
armed propaganda and to achieve subsequently its final goal of
establishing an "Independent United Kurdistan" through the unification
of the Kurdish states to be founded in neighboring countries.

To this end, the terror organization PKK having officially declared
the commencement of its armed activities following the bloody attacks
on the districts Eruh and Þemdinli on August 15, 1984 has determined
four-stage strategy in order to divide and destroy Turkey by trying to
gather some part of the people, who have been living in peace within
the country for thousands of years, on a separate territory under a
different flag claiming that they have allegedly a different identity.

According to the above-mentioned strategy, it has been intended to;

- Obtain certain cultural and social rights at the first stage,

- Set up an autonomy or another administrative system of federation
type at the second stage,

- Establish the alleged North Kurdistan in our territory at the
third stage and

- Found an independent and united Kurdistan state in the region to
include some parts of Iranian, Iraqi and Syrian territories at the
final stage.

To this end, the terror organization PKK has adopted the method of
separatism-based, three-phased armed propaganda which was called the
war of people, and based on violence directed against the regional
people. Accordingly, the terror organization PKK has aimed at.

- Completing strategic defense stage through armed propaganda,
alleged guerilla war and mobile war operations under the control of its
leading staff within the framework of its ideological ideas in the
first phase,

- Partially completing the process of establishing fronts and an
army and thus, creating the strategic balance which will provide the
balance of power between the security forces and the terror
organization in the second phase and,

- Establishing saved areas in the region after triggering public
risings wherever possible by escalating the conflicts and passing into
strategic attack state when seizing the authority in the third phase,

The terror organization which has increased its armed force over 8
thousand men and raised the violence it has used against the people
regardless of their being women, elder or children to the highest level
from 1992 has not been able to achieve the above-mentioned stages until
today due to the measures taken in accordance with the "Area
Superiority Concept" put into practice from 1994, and the operations
successfully conducted by security forces. As a result, the separatist
terror organization was forced to take the decision of unilateral
ceasefire four times in 1993, 1995, 1998 and finally on September 01,
1999 in order to preserve its terrorist power.

The terror organization desiring to exploit the alleged cease-fire
as an opportunity of recovery for tactical purposes has tried to prove
that it still maintains its existence by continuing its acts and
violence against the civilians and security forces in rural, on the one
hand, carrying out sabotage and bomb attacks in the cities, on the
other hand.

The Turkish Armed Forces has gained an important success in pulling
down the terror organization and its activities to a marginal level
through a successful military operation it has conducted under the
Turkish constitution and legislation to destroy the internal threat, by
acting in a way that ensures the simultaneous implementation of a
series of administrative, social and economic measures taken to prevent
the support being provided to the terror organization.

The last achievement of the Turkish Armed Forces in struggling
against terrorism was that head of the terror organization A. ÖCALAN,
who was deported from Syria, was taken to Turkey following his capture
in Kenya/Nairobi on February 15, 1999 and brought before the
independent court.

The terror organization, tending to resort again to violence during
the period when the head of the terror organization has been taken to
Turkey and brought before the judge, has been able to adapt itself to
the new situation in a short time within the framework of the defense
that head of the terror organization has made in the court and has
tried to reach its goal by exploiting Turkey's EU goal and certain
values such as human rights and democratic rights widely accepted by
the international community. Within the framework of his defense in the
court, the head of the terrorist organization has changed his tactic
and begun to articulate such concepts as "Democratic Republic" and
"Democratic Middle Eastern Union" in its defense to save himself from
capital punishment.

At the VII. Congress of the terror organization held in the Kandil
Mountain region in Iraq on January 02-23, 2000 during which the new
strategy of the terror organization was agreed, it was decided that;

- The armed activities should be resumed in case of execution of
head of the terrorist organization and.

- The Kurdistan's National Liberation Army (ARGK), the alleged
military flank of the terror organization should maintain its existence
under the title of "People Defense Forces (Hezi Parastini Gel-HP) and
the Kurdistan's National Liberation Front (ERNK), the alleged political
flank of the terror organization, which mainly carries out activities
in European countries under the "Kurdish Democratic People Union
(Yekita Democratic A Gele Kurd-YDK) until appropriate legal
arrangements regarding recognition of the Kurdish identity in Turkey
and constitutional guarantees are provided.

The legalization plan that the terror organization has developed
according to its new strategy agreed during its congress, provides for
the followings:

- Giving the message that it is ready to make peace with the
government of Turkish Republic in order to obtain the status of being
recognized as a party in national and international public opinion,

- Handing over some terrorists to the security forces to convince
the public opinion that it is allegedly ready to make peace,

- Making political studies within the People's Democratic Party
(HADEP), which has political connection with the terror organization,
or a similar legal organization, and cooperating with other political
parties,

- Making guiding studies within the municipalities governed by
HADEP to broaden grass roots,

- Having contacts and cooperating with intellectuals from all
circles in Turkey's democratization to ensure the alleged cultural
rights of Kurds being recognized,

- Demanding that the Turkish government should make legal changes
to prove its goodwill through the human rights organizations,

- Bringing up the education in Kurdish language,

- Ensuring the Kurdish identity coming to the fore by focusing on
cultural activities,

- Organizing campaigns in order to ensure the scope of the law of
amnesty being extended,

The terror organization has attempted by its new plan to reach its
final goal that it could not achieve through its armed struggle it has
been carrying out for 16 years, through legalization efforts. To this
end, it has increased its activities it has conducted under the title
of the "Democratic Republic" at home and under "Political Settlement (
Solution ) To The Kurdish Problem" abroad,

In the plan the terror organization developed under the name of
"Peace Project" on March 07, 2000 following the VII. Congress,

- The alleged "Kurdish Problem" and PKK terror are identified with
the Irish, Palestinian, East Timor and Basque problems and it is
requested that the related "Political Solution" initiatives should also
be taken in Turkey and,

- It is put forward that the settlement of the alleged Kurdish
problem in Turkey in accordance with the predictions of head of the
terror organization, Öcalan would also serve the settlement of the
problems in the Middle Eastern countries, and the "Democratic Middle
Eastern Union" to be set up in regional countries would lead to
economic, social and cultural developments,

- Subsequently, in its 2nd "Party Assembly" meeting held in North
Iraq in September 2000, the terror organization decided to be
reorganized to conceal its terrorist identity and began to term its
former structure with innocent titles,

- Assuming that the new strategy of the terror organization could
not be well understood and adopted by its mountain members, the terror
organization held the III. "Party Assembly" meeting between 27 February
and 03 March 2001 and focused on restructuring activities in accordance
with the decisions it took during the said meeting. In addition, the
terror organization, having assessed that the people movement
activities could not achieve the desired level, has intensified its
efforts to ensure its new strategy being accepted by its members and
supporters through a series of meetings.

In this context;

* The "Centralized Propaganda and Media Conference" was held
between 29 May and 07 June 2001 in order for the efforts in the media
field, that the terror organization considers to be insufficient, and
to reach an organized structure,

* The "1st Public Movement Conference" was held between 20 June and
02 July 2001 for the purpose of carrying out the acts and activities
the terror organization has started under the name of alleged 2nd Peace
Efforts, in a more organized manner through its supporters and
sympathizers who are directed by the front organizations,

* The "1st Public Defense Forces (HPG), Conference" was held
between 28 June and 12 July 2001 in order to develop a new structure by
making radical changes in the armed flank of the terror organization
from the armed group order and discipline to war tactics and
techniques,

* The "3rd Free Women Party (PJA) Conference" was held on July
11-22, 2001 to make the women organizations conducting activities in
legal and illegal fields more active and organized,

* The "1st Culture, Art and Folklore Conference" was held on 11-22
July 2001 in order to indoctrinate wider parts of the people with
separatist ideas and,

* The "6th National Conference" was held on August 05-22, 2001
under the leadership of the alleged Supreme Council of the terror
organization in order to coordinate the conferences to be held in line
with the activities the terror organization carries out in various
fields and to direct all organizational efforts towards public
movements,

- The above-mentioned conferences have drawn special attention as
the ones which have been held within the framework of preparations for
the 8th Congress of the terror organization PKK. According to the
decisions taken during the said conferences, various campaigns have
been organized primarily in Europe and subsequently in Turkey for the
purpose of gaining support for the requests of constitutional
recognition of the Kurdish identity and the use of Kurdish language as
the language of education. However, the terror organization has not
been able to reach the desired level of participation by the people.

- On the other hand, the terror organization has focused on
re-establishment of the terrorist groups not directly affected by the
security forces and on their armed training in raid, laying ambush and
sabotage. The disagreements arising within the terror organization,
PKK-KPU conflict and escape of nearly five hundred Syrian terrorists
from the terror organization in particular have been the noticeable
problems that the terror organization has faced within the period under
review.

- In the meantime, the defense that head of the terror organization
has developed for his trial lasting in the European Court of Human
Rights has been printed by the terrorist organization in a two-volume
book under the title of "From the Sumerian Monastic State To The
Democratic Republic", accepted as the second manifesto and begun to be
used as a guide document for all activities carried out by the terror
organization and as a basic document in the ideological training of the
terrorist organization's members and supporters.

- The 8th Congress preparations which have lasted for a long time
in accordance with the outline of the said defense of head of the
terrorist organization was held in the Kandil Mountain region in
Northern Iraq on April 04-10, 2002 with the participation of 285
terrorist's 106 of whom were women and 179 men as well as about 100
audiences,

- In the said congress during which the activities the terror
organization PKK has conducted in the past and report developed
according to the defense of head of the terror organization and
submitted to the congress have also been evaluated, it has been pointed
out that;

* The terror organization PKK has obtained some advantages like
raising of the Kurdish problem in international area as a result of the
armed struggle it has conducted since 1977,

* However, the ideology and modus operandi adopted by the terror
organization at the beginning have failed due to the collapse of the
former Soviet system and the anti-terror environment arising following
the September 11, 2001 terrorist attack on the US and,

* It has been the time that PKK would be replaced by a completely
new formation in order not to be included in the list of terrorist
organizations, and it must undergo restructuring beginning from its
ideology to its lowest-level units, including a change in its
organizational title,

* The "3rd Free Women Party (PJA) Conference" was held on July
11-22, 2001 to make the women organizations conducting activities in
legal and illegal fields more active and organized,

* The "1st Culture, Art and Folklore Conference" was held on 11-22
July 2001 in order to indoctrinate wider parts of the people with
separatist ideas and,

* The "6th National Conference" was held on August 05-22, 2001
under the leadership of the alleged Supreme Council of the terror
organization in order to coordinate the conferences to be held in line
with the activities the terror organization carries out in various
fields and to direct all organizational efforts towards public
movements,

- The above-mentioned conferences have drawn special attention as
the ones which have been held within the framework of preparations for
the 8th Congress of the terror organization PKK. According to the
decisions taken during the said conferences, various campaigns have
been organized primarily in Europe and subsequently in Turkey for the
purpose of gaining support for the requests of constitutional
recognition of the Kurdish identity and the use of Kurdish language as
the language of education. However, the terror organization has not
been able to reach the desired level of participation by the people.

- On the other hand, the terror organization has focused on
re-establishment of the terrorist groups not directly affected by the
security forces and on their armed training in raid, laying ambush and
sabotage. The disagreements arising within the terror organization,
PKK-KPU conflict and escape of nearly five hundred Syrian terrorists
from the terror organization in particular have been the noticeable
problems that the terror organization has faced within the period under
review.

- In the meantime, the defense that head of the terror organization
has developed for his trial lasting in the European Court of Human
Rights has been printed by the terrorist organization in a two-volume
book under the title of "From the Sumerian Monastic State To The
Democratic Republic", accepted as the second manifesto and begun to be
used as a guide document for all activities carried out by the terror
organization and as a basic document in the ideological training of the
terrorist organization's members and supporters.

- The 8th Congress preparations which have lasted for a long time
in accordance with the outline of the said defense of head of the
terrorist organization was held in the Kandil Mountain region in
Northern Iraq on April 04-10, 2002 with the participation of 285
terrorist's 106 of whom were women and 179 men as well as about 100
audiences,

- In the said congress during which the activities the terror
organization PKK has conducted in the past and report developed
according to the defense of head of the terror organization and
submitted to the congress have also been evaluated, it has been pointed
out that;

* The terror organization PKK has obtained some advantages like
raising of the Kurdish problem in international area as a result of the
armed struggle it has conducted since 1977,

* However, the ideology and modus operandi adopted by the terror
organization at the beginning have failed due to the collapse of the
former Soviet system and the anti-terror environment arising following
the September 11, 2001 terrorist attack on the US and,

* It has been the time that PKK would be replaced by a completely
new formation in order not to be included in the list of terrorist
organizations, and it must undergo restructuring beginning from its
ideology to its lowest-level units, including a change in its
organizational title,

- During its 8th Congress, the terror organization has stated that
PKK's role has ended under current circumstances and decided that;

* It will not use the title "PKK" in the activities it carries out
in every field from April 04, 2002 when the birthday of head of the
terrorists is,

* It will conduct its activities under the title "Kurdistan's
Freedom and Democracy Congress-KADEK" from now on in accordance with a
new program, statute and organization based on the solution of Kurdish
problem in line with the main points of the defense that head of the
terrorists has submitted to the European Court of Human Rights within
the existing borders in four countries,

* PKK considers KADEK as its sole legal representative and disposes
of its moral and physical acquisitions to KADEK. The terror
organization made a press conference in Belgium/Brussels on April 16,
2000 and publicized its decisions.

- In the meantime, the fact that the inclusion of the PKK in the
list of terrorist organizations developed by the European Union member
nations which was issued on May 4, 2002 has led the members of the
terrorist organizations into great concern regarding the possible
inclusion of KADEK in the list of terrorist organizations. For this
reason, the terror organization has immediately begun to make protests
against such nations as Denmark, Spain, the UK who have had an effect
on the related decision-making,

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TOPIC: Anything That Could Possibly Go Wrong in Singapore!
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6fff44b0b7af73c4
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 10:41 am
From: "1" <2>

EXACTLY !!!
But I think a public toilet is better than the place you mention. Its is
demeaning.

"LDL" <enquiries@asio.gov.au> wrote in message
news:Alf0g.7245$vy1.6014@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> <mettas_mother1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1145103721.945440.234270@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> It is a very popularly accepted concept in Science!! :
>> Anything that could go wrong will one day will go wrong!
>>
>> Likewise is it possible for PAP to die? Yes it is!
>> So is singapore willing to get caught off guard?
>>
>> Singaporeans should be smart and put in place at least
>> a two party system or at least allow the existence of
>> politicians in parliament! If not when PAP dies there
>> would be no credible poiticians to take over!!!
>>
>> ------------------
>> Singapore is full of evil laws!
>> Capital and Corporal Punishments are examples of evil laws!
>> Prostitution and Gambling are examples of evil laws!
>> Extortion in the forms of unfair taxes, administration fees, fines
>> and unpaid national service are examples of evil laws!
>>
>> That what happens when you vote for PAP!
>> Vote for PAP and get only new LIFTS!
>> But vote for opposition and get a NEW PRIME MINISTER!
>> SYLVIA LIM for Prime Minister.
>> It is about time that Singapore got a Female Prime Minister!
>> Help get rid of EVIL Laws!
>> Vote for the New Prime Minister!
>> Vote for Sylvia Lim!
>>
>> Lee Kuan Yew promised the following in the Proclamation of Singapore
>> which is registered with the United Nations:
>>
>> Now I LEE KUAN YEW Prime Minister of Singapore, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM AND
>> DECLARE on behalf of the people and the Government of Singapore that as
>>
>>
>> from today the ninth day of August in the year one thousand nine
>> hundred and sixty-five Singapore shall be forever a sovereign
>> democratic and independent nation, founded upon the principles of
>> liberty and justice and ever seeking the welfare and happiness of her
>> people in a more just and equal society.
>>
>> (Signed) LEE KUAN YEW Prime Minister of Singapore
>> Dated the 9th day of August, 1965.
>> _____________________
>>
>> Till now Singapore and the government is not ever seeking the welfare
>> and happiness of singaporeans in a more just and equal society.
>>
>> I wonder where is Democracy?
>> I wonder where is Liberty?
>> I wonder where is Justice?
>> I wonder where is Welfare?
>> I wonder where is Happiness?
>> I wonder where is Equality?
>> I wonder where and when is Independence from PAP?
>
> There is a place in Singapore called "Speaker's Corner" which on the
> corner of Bridge Road and Havelock Street Chinatown district in Singapore.
> It is always empty so instead in complaining to Australia about
> Singapore's internal problems - go there with your soap box.
>
> Speakers is supposed to be similar to London's Hyde Park.
>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 8:59 pm
From: "Tempo Largo"

Have you tried the public toilet at the second link? It doesn't use
water.

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TOPIC: THE FIRST TERRORIST PEOPLE
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 7:51 pm
From: "Evron"

princeandy made a whiny attempt to write:
> THEY HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY TERRORIST TRAINING
>

So fly over here and open your training facility.

>
> Arab labourers who wait on tables, pick vegetables, haul garbage, lay bricks
>

And then they threw the bricks and broke out their AKs for effect.

Quit apologizing for terrorists. Do you think they will remember your
appeasing personality as they drop a Kassam rocket on your house. I
doubt it.

Evron ------- "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail."

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TOPIC: Government Goons Murder Puppies
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 7:52 pm
From: comadreja

In article <eJOdnXfG7PznENzZRVn-qg@comcast.com>,
SgtMinor <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid> wrote:

> To give you an idea of the size of the operation, the raid netted a pound
> > of pot and a quarter of a pound of crack. They arrested 11 people in that
> > apartment when the bust went down, and between them they had seven pistols.
> >
>
> Wow, a whole pound of marijuana, and 4 ounces of crack. Yes sir,
> that certainly justified ninety cops busting in the doors of
> mostly innocent people asleep in their beds.
>
> That's a net win of five grams of weed and one-and-a-half grams of
> crack per cop. A great return on investment.

Four ounces of crack equals 110-115 grams. Which equals around
110-115 hits, depending on the price, let's say twenty dollars per gram
probably more, that is around twenty two hundred to twenty three hundred
dollars. Along with seven guns and a a pound of pot is worth at least
two thousand, that shows that whoever apartment was raided, they weren't
keeping this for home use.

I don't believe in reign of terrors, whether it is SWAT teams or
drug gangs, but at least the SWAT teams are much more accountable than
Drug Gangs.

-c

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 11:23 pm
From: SgtMinor

comadreja wrote:

> In article <eJOdnXfG7PznENzZRVn-qg@comcast.com>,
> SgtMinor <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>To give you an idea of the size of the operation, the raid netted a pound
>>
>>>of pot and a quarter of a pound of crack. They arrested 11 people in that
>>>apartment when the bust went down, and between them they had seven pistols.
>>>
>>
>>Wow, a whole pound of marijuana, and 4 ounces of crack. Yes sir,
>>that certainly justified ninety cops busting in the doors of
>>mostly innocent people asleep in their beds.
>>
>>That's a net win of five grams of weed and one-and-a-half grams of
>>crack per cop. A great return on investment.
>
>
> Four ounces of crack equals 110-115 grams. Which equals around
> 110-115 hits, depending on the price, let's say twenty dollars per gram
> probably more, that is around twenty two hundred to twenty three hundred
> dollars. Along with seven guns and a a pound of pot is worth at least
> two thousand, that shows that whoever apartment was raided, they weren't
> keeping this for home use.

What would be the "worth" of this stuff if there were no laws to
prohibit it? Are you aware of any underground trafficking in
dried celery, nutmeg or pepper?

It is to the advantage of the ruling classes to outlaw as many
normal human behaviors as they can get away with. And with zero
tolerance, beware. As I suggested elsewhere in this post, if you
carry US currency, you carry cocaine.

As far as the math goes, let's say there was 5400 dollars worth of
stuff, it would still be only 60 bucks per cop. And it would
accomplish nothing except getting a whole bunch of innocent people
mad as hell.

Is this really a legal matter? Did we learn anything from
Prohibition? By outlawing, and policing this market we increase
transaction costs, thereby raising prices. This invites criminal
activity, some of which takes place within, and corrupts, the system.

>
> I don't believe in reign of terrors, whether it is SWAT teams or
> drug gangs, but at least the SWAT teams are much more accountable than
> Drug Gangs.
>
> -c

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TOPIC: Bangla Terrorist Groups Involved In Varanasi Bomb Blats
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ee4fc3538a948b81
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 7:52 pm
From: gunjan.ghai@gmail.com

Seeker

Exactly my point....I am waiting for you to present data...you are only
diagreeing with everything...If you are so confident you are right,
then show us SOME information which can prove that Pakistanis are
richer and better off than Indians. Think of it as an attempt to teach
the truth to your kaffir neighbours ;-)

Also - on your SSG - I found information online....you disputed the
wikipedia post....then I presented you pakdef.com (which is managed by
Pakistani army/navy/airforce personnel and is full of jingoistic
diatribes against India)....where they have accepted the failure of
SSG....you have NOT RESPONDED to that either.

Can you for once show us some neutral opinion in the world that
bolsters your claim ? Or do you want to keep the discussion purely
poetic ? If Pakistan has so much wealth, there must be something online
to prove it.....can you please show us something ?

I can predict your response now - 'I dont need to present data because
its you and baani who are trying to prove a point and the onus of proof
is on you'.....Well....to me...thats like sucking your thumb and
sulking in a corner.....very paki like ;-)

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TOPIC: Cuba Expels Czech Spy Under Diplo Cover
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/ba16c306c319bf6f
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 7:56 pm
From: "Miguel"

NY.Transfer.News@blythe.org wrote:
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> Cuba Expels Czech Spy Under Diplo Cover
>
> Via NY Transfer News Collective * All the News that Doesn't Fit
>
> [Another Czechered gusano has been ousted from Cuba. He is accused
> of working as a US agent under diplomatic cover. Just one in a long
> line of Czech troublemakers who've been busily trying to undermine
> the Cuban revolution.-NYTr]

Gracias Republica Checa por su ayuda a la causa de la libertad de Cuba.

Thanks to the Czeck Republic for helping Cubans in the struggle for
freedom
>
> AP - Apr 14, 2006
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060415/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cuba_czech&printer=1;_ylt=At9wItXZmUvnhexK7mJhYDK9IxIF;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MXN1bHE0BHNlYwN0bWE-
>
> Cuba Expels Diplomat for Alleged Spying
>
> By OLGA R. RODRIGUEZ
> Associated Press Writer
>
> Cuba ordered the expulsion of a Czech diplomat Friday, accusing him of
> spying for the United States.
>
> Stanislav Kazecky, who was in charge of political, cultural and media
> affairs for the Czech embassy, was given 72 hours to leave the Caribbean
> island. He said he plans to leave Saturday evening.
>
> Cuban Foreign Minister Felipe Perez Roque said Kazecky was repeatedly
> spotted attempting to photograph and enter military installations.
>
> "These are places where he has no reason to be," Perez Roque said. "We have
> decided not to renew his visa." The visa expired Friday.
>
> "He carries out orders by American special services, works closely with the
> United States subversive apparatus, distributes money and materials to
> mercenary groups and helps the government of the United States," Perez Roque
> said.
>
> State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said he had not heard of any
> reports of a Czech diplomat spying for the United States.
>
> Kazecky said the expulsion is a result of the human rights work the Czech
> Republic has done.
>
> "I've never knowingly been at a military installation," Kazecky said.
>
> The Czech government repeatedly has criticized Fidel Castro's government and
> offered moral support to Cuban dissidents.
>
> The Czech Republic said it was responding by refusing to renew a Cuban
> diplomat's visa. The Cuban diplomat, who has not been identified, can stay
> in the Czech Republic until April 19, when the visa expires.
>
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TOPIC: Islam has four times as many young men of fighting age as the west
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/224b0236d0f9929f
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 7:58 pm
From: gunjan.ghai@gmail.com

You dont need young men to fight in this age of nuclear bombs...and we
know who is going where on that one....with israel, india and the
western world united against the jihadi fanatics....its only a matter
of time...wonder whose side pakistan would be on ;-)

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TOPIC: http://talcualdigital.com/video_editorial/playerLista.asp
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/2ef8a6465929118d
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 10:49 pm
From: "PM"

AUDIO SOBRE LA CAPTURA DEL ASESINO CHE GUEVARA

http://www.elveraz.com/TVradio.htm

====================================================
AUDIO -VIDEO...

http://talcualdigital.com/video_editorial/playerLista.asp

www.therealcuba.com

http://www.cubafotos.net/cubafotos1.htm

Noticuba Internacional
www.noticubainternacional.com
http://www.cubafotos.net/cubafotos1.htm
http://www.wisc.edu/arth/ah349/20c_01.html
http://www.chileblog.com/modules.php?name=Sections&op=listarticles&secid=15
http://argentina.indymedia.org/news/2005/12/361336.php
http://www.juanperez.com/comerciales/tv.html

http://www.amigospais-guaracabuya.org

Sobre el ASESINO che:
http://members.aol.com/Guanabacoa/che.html
http://www.therealcuba.com/MurderedbyChe.htm
http://ernesto-el-che-guevara.piranho.de/

http://www.martinoticias.com/media/audio/M-001_051004.wma
http://www.martinoticias.com/MMtv.asp
Corrupcion_en_Cuba
http://www.cadal.org/libros/pdf/Corrupcion_en_Cuba.pdf

HAGA CLICK SOBRE ESTE TITULO >>>> URBANPHOTO -- Dos Días en La Habana

http://www.urbanphoto.net/havana/photo06.htm

http://imls.library.miami.edu/chcdigital/chc5017/ch
/ch

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Quinta http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/quinta/index.htm
Avenida
Línea <http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/linea/index.htm
Almendares
http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/almendares/index.htm

Calle http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/calle26/index.htm 26
Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/ave26/index.htm 26
Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/ave11/index.htm 11
Avenida
http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/presidentes/index.htm
de los Presidentes
Rancho http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/rancho/index.htm
Boyeros
Monserrate
http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/monserrate/index.htm
Empedrado http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/empedrado/index.htm
Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/puerto/index.htm del
Puerto
Calle Cuba http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/cuba/ind

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TOPIC: Is the "Gay Life" Really Gay? - TROLL ALERT
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/6b88140d63876848
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 10:03 pm
From: "Koi-Lo"

"ReelMcKoi" <ReelMckoi@mailinator.com>jabriol/Antonio L Santana wrote in
message news:1144947969.523825.211820@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Is That you Carol?

No, it's Vance. If you see Carol, the woman you're trying to have murdered,
give her this:

----- Original Message -----
From: "Vance Liscomb" <Vance_member@newsguy.com>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.jehovahs-witn
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: For Carolyn Gulley (Correction)

> In article <dnf0qs02kqh@drn.newsguy.com>, Vance Liscomb says...
>>
>>You have the wrong address. He lives with Norma I. Santanta (born
>>September
>>1959) and his address is:
>>
>>Antonio L. Santana
>>1064 Everett Street
>>Camden, NJ
>>(856) 968-0004
>>
>>His phone number is listed under A. Santana. He was born 1961.
>>
>>Oddly enough he lives across the street from the West Jersey Hospital.
>>
>>http://terraserver-usa.com/image.aspx?T=1&S=10&Z=18&X=2454&Y=22098&W=1&qs=1064+Everett+S

treet%7ccamden%7cnew+jersey%7c&Addr=1064+Everett+St%2c+Camden%2c+NJ+08104&ALon=-75.1075127

&ALat=39.9275305
>>
>>There are two Kingdom Halls in the area:
>>
>>1584 S 8th St
>>Camden, NJ 08104-1469
>>(856) 365-0065
>>
>>417 Walnut St
>>Camden, NJ 08103-2033
>>(856) 365-4457
>>
>>Remember, Kingdom Halls are just buildings. There may be more than one
>>congregation using the same KH.
>>
>>I doubt that he is a Jehovah's Witness, so you might want to ask for Norma
>>Santana as well when you call.
>
> I called the 856-365-0065 number but it was changed to:
>
> 856-964-6712
>
> A recording with a lady's voice with a Spanish accent asked me to leave a
> message. This is a home phone - probably that of an elder in a Spanish
> congregation. The 1584 S 8th St Kingdom Hall is only a few blocks from
> where
> Antonio lives.
>
> It's possible that the information that you've been posting about Antonio
> has
> been wrong all along.

KL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zhavriol" aka Jabriol <zodriol@gmail.com>
Antonio L Santana/Camden NJ cong of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Subject: Carol Adamo Gulley -she is tired of living, please
help her (premeditated murder)

> Maybe they are people out there who wants you to rejoined your loved
> departed ones.
> Let me help them find you so they can help you out:
> Carolyn Adamo Gulley (address of Jabriol's victim snipped).

Mr. Antonio L Santana then suggests someone break in her home in the middle
of the night and slit her throat or kill her by suffocation.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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TOPIC: The Montreal Convention's Article 7 gives the US no discretion. It must
either extradite or prosecute Posada Carriles for 73 counts of first degree
murder in relation to the downing of the airliner. Deporting him to a third
country is not an option and
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/8dc8069fa59767e4
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 8:10 pm
From: "Miguel"

periodistalibre@aol.com wrote:
> The story that cries out to be told to the American people --
>
> by José Pertierra
> April 14, 2006

Jose Pertierra is one of Castro's agents in the US.
>
>
> Three days ago in Miami, Luis Posada Carriles' accomplice in the
> downing of the Cuban passenger plane that was blown out of the sky with
> 73 innocent people on board on October 6, 1976 was interviewed by Juan
> Manuel Cao of Channel 41 in Miami. His name is Orlando Bosch.

The truth is that Posada and Bosch were judged TWICE in Venezuela. They
were judged by a military court and by a civilian court and found
INNOCENT. Pertierra's assertions are LIES.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: ARE JEWS CLEVER?
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b06ca1ae958afc21
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 11:30 pm
From: "serwad"

--
"I hope the time is not far off,when I shall be able to unite all the wise
and educated men of all the countries and establish auniform regime based on
the principles of Qu'ran, which alone are true.and which alone can lead,man
to happiness" (Napoleon Bonaparte)

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TOPIC: NOTA DE PRENSA Por este medio convocamos a un cocktail y conferencia de
prensa el miércoles 19 de abril a las 3 y media de la tarde en el Restaurante
Larios
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/437031abf505064e
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 11:24 pm
From: "PM"

PARTIDO NACIONALISTA DEMOCRATICO DE CUBA

NOTA DE PRENSA

Por este medio convocamos a un cocktail y conferencia de prensa el miércoles 19 de abril a las 3 y media de la tarde en el Restaurante Larios

(Distribución inmediata)

Por este medio convocamos a un cocktail y conferencia de prensa el miércoles 19 de abril a las 3 y media de la tarde en el Restaurante Larios del Midway Mall ubicado en la intersección de la calle Flagler y la autopista Palmetto a los efectos de anunciar un merecido homenaje a la opositora cubana Martha Beatriz Roque Cabello. El ex-Presidente de El Salvador Licenciado Francisco Flores y la destacada cantante Albita serán las figuras centrales en una ceremonia donde se hará entrega del galardón de Paladín de la Libertad a nuestra compatriota y al ex-Presidente Flores, la cual será transmitida a Cuba por Radio y TV Martí. Dicha ceremonia tendrá lugar el sábado 29 de abril a la una de la tarde en el Hotel Sheraton (antiguo Radisson), situado en el 711 N.W. 72 avenida en la ciudad de Miami.

Este premio es otorgado todos los años por el Partido Nacionalista Democrático de Cuba a destacadas personalidades que promueven el respeto a la libertad, la democracia y los derechos humanos en cualquier parte del mundo. Dicha premio conlleva una placa destacando los méritos del homenajeado y una contribución de $10,000 (diez mil dólares) para apoyar la labor de su organización. El ex-Presidente Flores ha donado su parte en la contribución financiera a la Asamblea para la Promoción de la Sociedad Civil en Cuba. El galardonado del año 2005 fué el Dr. Oscar Elías Biscet, Presidente de la Fundación Lawton de Derechos Humanos. Información Angel Vega

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Quinta http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/quinta/index.htm
Avenida
Línea <http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/linea/index.htm
Almendares
http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/almendares/index.htm

Calle http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/calle26/index.htm 26
Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/ave26/index.htm 26
Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/ave11/index.htm 11
Avenida
http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/presidentes/index.htm
de los Presidentes
Rancho http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/rancho/index.htm
Boyeros
Monserrate
http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/monserrate/index.htm
Empedrado http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/empedrado/index.htm
Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/puerto/index.htm del
Puerto
Calle Cuba http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/cuba/ind

==============================================================================
TOPIC: According to this, the Republicans want illegal immigrants in this
country.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/74931b127ab564a3
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 3:45 am
From: Genie

Bush, Democratic Leader Swap Blame on Immigration Bill
Fromthe Associated Press
April 14, 2006

WASHINGTON — President Bush accused Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid
on Thursday of "single-handedly thwarting" action on immigration
legislation, and got a brisk retort in return.

"President Bush has as much credibility on immigration as he does on
Iraq and national security," shot back the Nevada Democrat.

The exchange was the latest in a series of maneuvers among party
leaders trying to assign blame for Senate gridlock over comprehensive
immigration legislation. A pending measure would strengthen border
security, create a guest-worker program and offer eventual citizenship
to many of the estimated 11 million to 12 million illegal immigrants
in the country.

Supporters say the bill has more than enough votes to pass. It was
sidetracked last week when Reid and Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist
(R-Tenn.) could not agree on a procedure for voting on amendments.

more
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-immig14apr14,1,3167888.story?coll=la-news-a_section&ctrack=1&cset=true

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 9:02 pm
From: Genie

http://www.wehirealiens.com/

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TOPIC: PORNOGRAPHIC, HOMOEROTIC RUMSFIELD
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/9aedac81236272f5
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 11:47 pm
From: "serwad"

April 15, 2006 -- Rumsfeld personally involved in homo-erotic prisoner abuse
in Guantanamo. Salon.com is reporting that a Dec. 2005 internal US Army
Inspector General report leaked to the on-line publication describes how
Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld personally monitored by telephone the
interrogation of Saudi detainee Mohamed el Qahtani, described as the "20th
hijacker," although convicted terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui also has bragging
rights for that distinction. Lt. Gen. Randall Schmidt reported to the
Inspector General that the abuse "looked like Abu Ghraib." Qahtani was
forced to wear women's underwear, perform sex acts in front of a woman, and
perform "dog tricks" while wearing a leash. The nudity and "stress position"
acts were personally approved by Rumsfeld in Dec. 2002. They were carried
out under the orders of sado-masochistic Army Major General Geoffrey Miller,
the commander at Guantanamo and the individual who later "Gtmoized" Abu
Ghraib. Miller's involvement in the abuse was verified by Schmidt.

Such pornographic and homoerotic amusement is not rare among fascists and it
helps to explain much about this White House: male prostitute and White
House Press Corps member Jeff Gannon, reported Department of Homeland
Security and NASA pedophilia, similar sexual abuse at Abu Ghraib that
included adolescent teens of both sexes, Ken Mehlman's and Joshua Bolten's
not-so-secret lives, George W. Bush's sexual predilections, and Scooter
Libby's and Lynne Cheney's bizarre sex-imbued novels.

We can again learn from the GOP's Nazi forbearers to put this all in
context:

Julius Streicher was the publisher of the Nazi German propaganda periodical
Der Sturmer. Streicher also possessed one of the largest collections of
abnormal pornography in Germany. In fact, Streicher used pornography in
Sturmer to attract readers to the viciously anti-Semitic tabloid. Streicher
was fired as a school teacher in Nuremburg after charges of pedophilia were
brought against him. Streicher was so vile, other Nazis in the docket at
Nuremburg objected to his presence with them at the trial.

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TOPIC: PEDOFILIA UP THE TOP
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f6abfb4f67d01fec
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 11:50 pm
From: "serwad"

April 14, 2006 -- Pedophilia and the Department of Homeland Security. This
anonymous posting to a blog forwarded to WMR rings very true. DHS is a ruse
created from the ashes and rubble of the World Trade Center, the Pentagon,
and rural Pennsylvania to perpetuate even greater and more heinous crimes
against the most vulnerable Americans: the children:

I was a field agent for the DHS in Oklahoma for about 2.5 years and was
asked on a few occasions to pick up some "puppy chow" or "tender vittles."

When I learned about these expressions I was shocked. I have children of my
own and I raised the issue and was let go because I was suddenly
"inadequate" for the job. Now, I cannot get a job even as a security officer
guarding a cemetery. I have been out of work for about 4 months. I am faced
with relocating far away to a different state and might have
to leave the country, if possible and necessary.

I feel that my records have me black-listed.

I would rather not say more.

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TOPIC: World War III NEWS, Thursday, April 6th, 2006 AD....Iran Test-Fires '
Top Secret' Missile
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/266a576f7ab70c68
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 8:59 pm
From: Perseid

"drmabusa@gmail.com" <drmabusa@gmail.com> Spat the Words

> you don't seem to UNDERSTAND the POINT.....
>
>

Clearly, your point was not that clear.

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TOPIC: Griffin dijo que durante todo el pasado año fiscal llegaron a Puerto
Rico 485 inmigrantes cubanos.
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/d7d414cf5d9a1877
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 8:44 pm
From: "PM"

Pisan tierra Puertoriqueña 12 cubanos mas

Cuba en el Mundo-Migración

Pisan tierra Puertoriqueña 12 cubanos mas

..............
Con este grupo, suman 439 los emigrantes cubanos que han llegado
a este territorio estadounidense desde el primero de octubre pasado,
dijo a Prensa Asociada Victor Griffin, oficial de prensa de la
Patrulla Fronteriza de Estados Unidos..............

AP/Noticuba Internacional

San Juan, 11 de Abril del 2006

Doce inmigrantes cubanos arribaron el martes a un islote de Puerto
Rico procedentes de la República Dominicana, informaron las
autoridades.

Con este grupo, suman 439 los emigrantes cubanos que han llegado a
este territorio estadounidense desde el primero de octubre pasado,
dijo a Prensa Asociada Victor Griffin, oficial de prensa de la
Patrulla Fronteriza de Estados Unidos.

Los inmigrantes - seis hombres y seis mujeres adultos_ llegaron a
eso de las 5:00 de la madrugada por el área de Playa Mujeres en Isla
de Mona, al oeste de Puerto Rico, según el informe preliminar de la
Policía.

El grupo se encuentran en buen estado de salud, se indicó.

La embarcación en la que realizaron la travesía regresó a la
República Dominicana sin ser detenida, según las autoridades.

Bajo una ley estadounidense promulgada en 1966, los cubanos que
lleguen a tierra pueden permanecer en Estados Unidos. Aquéllos
capturados en el mar suelen ser repatriados.

Esa ley federal no aplica a emigrantes de otros países.

Griffin dijo que durante todo el pasado año fiscal llegaron a Puerto
Rico 485 inmigrantes cubanos.
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Línea <http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/linea/index.htm
Almendares
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Boyeros
Monserrate
http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/monserrate/index.htm
Empedrado http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/empedrado/index.htm
Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/puerto/index.htm del
Puerto
Calle Cuba http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/cuba/ind
<trabaninoscar@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
1145138375.843646.256600@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
Fidel es la lucha antiimperialista

La Fundación Guayasamín y prestigiosos intelectuales latinoamericanos
proponen reconocer la dignidad, la entereza, y el ejemplo del
Comandante en Jefe en su 80 aniversario

Marina Menéndez Quintero

«Queremos hacer de esta conmemoración una fiesta latinoamericana y
del Tercer Mundo», declaró Pablo Guayasamín a JR, algunos momentos
después de lanzar la convocatoria-invitación que cuenta ya con el
respaldo de prestigiosos intelectuales del continente: un homenaje a
Fidel en sus 80 años de vida, que el Presidente de la Fundación
Guayasamín calificó como «80 años de dignidad, de lucha victoriosa
contra el Imperio, de ejemplo para los pueblos».

Una ovación fue suficiente para dar cuenta de la calurosa acogida al
reconocimiento, que el hijo mayor del artista ecuatoriano Oswaldo
Guayasamín consideró como «una forma de mantener latente esta
lucha».

Ante el plenario de los dirigentes y activistas de movimientos
sociales, redes y organizaciones que participan en el V Hemisférico de
Lucha contra el ALCA, Pablo, a nombre de la Fundación Guayasamín,
recordó las tempranas advertencias del Comandante en Jefe acerca de
las condiciones nefastas y leoninas de la deuda «que hora a hora nos
va empobreciendo»; sus denuncias sobre la pretensión del Imperio, a
través del ALCA y ahora los TLCs, de llevarnos a la total miseria y
dependencia; sus advertencias, junto al pueblo cubano, de que «otro
mundo es posible si todos nos decidimos a luchar».

Por ello, dijo, la Fundación Guayasamín y sus miembros de honor,
leales a la historia de amistad forjada por el maestro Guayasamín,
está convocando a rendir un gran homenaje de la cultura universal al
Comandante Fidel Castro.

Momentos después, con los periodistas, Pablo Guayasamín detallaría
que el reconocimiento se desarrollará del 10 al 13 de agosto y
constará de una exposición de obras de su padre titulada Un abrazo de
Guayasamín a Fidel; un encuentro de prestigiosos cantautores de
Latinoamérica «para decirle al líder cubano que no está solo y que
una América surge con nuevos aires», y un diálogo sobre los logros
de la Revolución Cubana.

Intelectuales como Federico Mayor Zaragoza, Thiago de Mello, Jorge
Enrique Adoum y los premios Nobel Adolfo Pérez Esquivel y Rigoberta
Menchú, entre otros muchos, han confirmado su asistencia, y se han
cursado invitaciones a los presidentes de Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, y de
Bolivia, Evo Morales.

Interrogado por JR, Pablo Guayasamín dijo que el núcleo de la idea
está en el privilegio que constituyó para los suyos el hecho de que
el Comandante en Jefe «cumpliera sus 62 años en Ecuador. Luego,
cuando iba a cumplir los 70, mi padre le comunicó que lanzaríamos un
concurso sobre su pensamiento. Ahora no podíamos quedarnos a medias.
Hay que festejar que el Comandante está con nosotros», afirmó.

«Vendrán muchos, porque América Latina siempre ha reconocido a
quienes la han apoyado, y Fidel representa la lucha por la dignidad de
los pueblos. Fidel es solidaridad. Fidel es la lucha
antiimperialista».

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Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 8:45 pm
From: "PM"

FECHA HISTÓRICA

Por Ernesto Díaz Rodríguez
Secretario General de Alpha 66




La epopeya de Playa Girón, que intentó derribar las barreras de la hipocresía castrista y salvar a ese pueblo infeliz que marchaba al suicidio de su libertad, seducido por la demagogia de un gangster carismático, todavía está por ser reconocida por una parte de quienes, por diversas razones, aún se dejan engañar.

Pero duele la mala intención o la ignorancia de los que todavía se atreven a querer presentar el patriotismo de esos jóvenes que lo arriesgaron todo con ejemplarizante valor por la libertad de Cuba, en contraste con la cobardía y la traición de quienes los abandonaron. Duele. Duele la mezquindad de los mal agradecidos o mendigos de espíritu que tratan de presentarlos como simples servidores de los intereses norteamericanos. Duele, pero junto a ese dolor el acíbar de la ingratitud nos produce una nauseabunda sensación: es el propio malestar ante los turbios e indescifrables retorcimientos de la conciencia humana, porque fue un acto heroico que merece respeto. Porque atrás dejaron sin vacilaciones el calor de su familia y las posibilidades de prosperidad en la nación más rica y libre del mundo y arriesgaron sus vidas por un noble ideal, de paz y de justicia, al que tiene derecho todo el pueblo cubano.

El sacrificio de aquel malogrado desembarco el 17 de Abril de 1961 fue un gesto de patriotismo que nos dignifica, al igual que el sacrificio de los prisioneros políticos y el de miles de gloriosos cubanos que enfrentaron la muerte con honor ante el paredón de fusilamiento gritando: ¡VIVA CUBA LIBRE! ¡VIVA CRISTO REY!

El heroico desembarco de Vicente Méndez, junto a un grupo de valientes, otro 17 de Abril, nos obliga a reflexionar sobre la importancia histórica de esa fecha. Fueron ellos la mejor esperanza de Alpha 66 en momentos cuando la tiranía intentaba consolidarse con el impacto psicológico de una zafra azucarera de "10 millones de toneladas" que, como era de esperarse, terminó en estruendoso fracaso para Castro.

El desembarco de Méndez tampoco tuvo éxito. Lamentablemente el experimentado jefe guerrillero en las luchas del Escambray fue ultimado en desigual combate. De igual forma varios de sus compañeros entregaron sus vidas en diversos enfrentamientos, combatiendo sin dar treguas al enemigo, en precioso holocausto por la libertad de Cuba. Otros que integraron su humilde contingente expedicionario fueron vilmente asesinados en el paredón de fusilamiento. Pero ahí quedaron sus fértiles semillas. Su sangre generosa hoy está en las raíces y son fruto que nos dan su aroma y entregan su dulzura a los corazones de quienes dentro y fuera de Cuba mantenemos la fe y el espíritu fuerte, de los que preferimos mantenernos abrazados a la estrategia de la intransigencia, que es el surco del decoro, el de la decencia patriótica y la dignidad. Intransigencia, sí. Porque el respeto a nuestros mártires nos lo exige. Y porque la naturaleza perversa y aniquiladora de tirano Fidel Castro y su régimen comunista nos impone la erradicación total de sus estructuras, aunque les moleste a los dialogueros, a esos débiles e inescrupulosos que perversamente mendigan un espacio compartido con los asesinos y torturadores al servicio de la camarilla gobernante.

La lucha continúa. La libertad de Cuba cada día se vislumbra más cerca. Más que una brizna de luz en la distancia nos parece una estrella al alcance de la mano. La tiranía se deshace erosionada por el tiempo y los desaciertos de un caudillo ridículo y gastado. Demolida su economía y en harapos la salud y la moral del tirano, la situación invita a todo un pueblo a la desobediencia cívica total. Sabemos que se puede, porque conocemos las potencialidades y las ansias de libertad del pueblo cubano.


El 17 de Abril, repito, es fecha de sacrificio y de abnegación. Y es fecha que ha de servir de orgullo para todos los cubanos. Acontecimientos históricos la hacen diferente. La hacen más hermosa y significativa, más radiante de luz, como faro incandescente que señala el rumbo hacia ese alba sin cadenas que buscamos con creciente ansiedad. Mas allá de ese horizonte indescriptible donde se haya aprisionada la nación cubana hay un sueño sin rejas ni alambradas de espinos. Hay un sueño de amor, cincelado con lágrimas y sangre torturada, donde no existe espacio para la humillación, para el vulgar atropello a la integridad física y a la dignidad del hombre. Un sueño de decencia y reconocimiento a la persona humana por su inteligencia y sus valores, no por su vileza e incondicionalidad. En Alpha 66 sabemos que se puede y luchamos con dedicación para conquistarlo, sin esperar por nadie ni pedir permiso a nadie; con el espíritu y con el coraje de los que han hecho histórico el 17 de abril, para quienes hoy abro mi corazón en merecido gesto de admiración y de gratitud sincera.

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Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 8:26 pm
From: AnonMoos

It's called the Negroponte Doctrine, Umm Alfalfa:

On July 26th 2002, John Negroponte, the United States ambassador to
the United Nations, stated (during a closed meeting of the UN Security
Council) that the United States will oppose Security Council
resolutions which condemn Israel without also condemning terrorist
groups (and so are one-sided and biased from the US government point
of view). This has come to be known as the Negroponte doctrine, and
is viewed by the United States as a counterweight to the frequent
ritualistic resolutions denouncing Israel which are passed by the UN
General Assembly.

Here is a widely-reported summary of Negroponte's statement (an
official transcript of these closed-session remarks does not appear to
have been released):

For any resolution to go forward, the United States -- which has a
veto in the 15-nation council -- would want it to have the following
four elements:

- An explicit condemnation of terrorism;

- A condemnation by name of the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigade, the Islamic
Jihad and Hamas groups, groups that have claimed responsibility for
suicide attacks on Israel;

- An appeal to all parties for a political settlement of the crisis;

- A demand for improvement of the security situation as a condition
for any call for a withdrawal of Israeli armed forces to positions
they held before the September 2000 start of a Palestinian uprising in
which 1,467 Palestinians and 564 Israelis have died.

U.S.: UN resolutions must condemn Palestinian terror Haaretz 27/07/2002
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=191341&contrassID=1&subcontrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=0

Summary at official UN website
http://www.un.int/usa/03jdn-me1006.htm

Ambassador Negroponte: Statement on the Middle East at the Emergency
Special Session of the General Assembly, August 5, 2002
http://www.usunnewyork.usmission.gov/02_112.htm

Christian Science Monitor on the Negroponte doctrine, December 08, 2003
http://csmweb2.emcweb.com/2003/1208/p06s02-wome.html

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Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 9:19 pm
From: "serwad"

PRISONS AND TORTURE IN IRAQ
by Sarah Meyer
There is, at present, confusion about the closure date of Abu Ghraib. The
United States is uncomfortable under the global spotlight on its prisons and
torture policies in Iraq. Rather than moderate their policies to accommodate
democratic and legal guidelines, they are, instead, planning to move
'detainees'1 to newly built prisons which they hope will be less visible.

In February '04, The International Red Cross published its (January) "Report
on the Treatment by the Coalition Forces of Prisoners of War and other
protected persons in Iraq." The report drew the attention of the Coalition
Forces "to a number of serious violations of International Humanitarian
Law." These violations were "documented and sometimes observed while
visiting prisoners of war, civilian internees and other protected persons by
the Geneva Conventions (hereafter called persons deprived of their liberty
when their status is not specifically mentioned) in Iraq between March and
November 2003." The report said that mistreatment allegedly took place at
Abu Ghraib, Camp Cropper and 'battle group unit stations.' Other
'mistreatment' places of internment mentioned were: 'Al-Baghdadi, Heat Base
and Hubbania Camp in Ramadi governate; Tikrit holding area (former Saddam
Hussein Islamic School); a former train station Al-Khaim, near the Syrian
border, turned into a military base; the Ministry of Defense and
Presidential Palace in Baghdad, the former mukhabarat office in Basra, as
well as several Iraqi police stations in Baghdad. Many of these locations
are difficult to identify based on the reported place names, which in many
cases do not correspond to the place names used by the US military."

The International Red Cross also produced a later statement in May, which
was a summary of the ICRC's attempts in person and in writing from March to
November 2003 to get U.S. officials to stop abuses.

The first sexual humiliation, torture and homicide photographs from Abu
Ghraib, taken in 2003 were released in April 2004.2

In May '04, Seymour Hersh published The Grey Zone in the New Yorker. "The
roots of the Abu Ghraib prison scandal lie not in the criminal inclinations
of a few Army reservists but in a decision, approved last year by Secretary
of Defense Donald Rumsfeld ..."

On May 7th, Rumsfeld testified before the Senate Armed Services Committee.
More.

On the 5th of October, The US Senate3 unanimously passed a resolution Senate
Resolution 356 "Condemning the abuse of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib
prison, urging a full and complete investigation to ensure justice is
served, and expressing support for all Americans serving nobly in Iraq." The
Senate condemned "in the strongest possible terms the despicable acts at the
Abu Ghraib prison" and urged "that all individuals responsible for such
despicable acts be held accountable."

In September '04, Lisa Croke reported that a US legal team from Michigan
found evidence of abuse in 24 prisons. In addition to Abu Ghraib and Camp
Cooper, they mentioned Baghdad's al-Salihiya; Al-Dhiloeia, north of Baghdad;
a US base outside Fallujah; and the US/Polish jointly run Hilla military
compound. "The majority of detention centers where former inmates allege
American soldiers and contractors committed acts of abuse were found in and
around Baghdad, most of them buildings that had been converted into prisons.
(Mustansiriya University Student Housing, on the grounds of Akai
Pharmaceutical Company Compound, the Palace of Conferences, the Scania
transportation depot and Baghdad's Al-Sijood Palace)... Detention centres in
Tikrit reportedly include one of Saddam Hussein's Presidential Palaces, Uday
Hussein's former horse stables, and the US-confiscated Tikrit Elementary
School."

'Detainee' population grew to over 11,000, more than twice the number in
October '04. Some were being held in 'field camps' before being moved to Abu
Ghraib.

In January '05, Tara McKelvey told the stories of women in Iraqi prisons.
Ghali Hassan has also written about Iraqi Women Under Occupation.

Baghdad Dweller wrote about a women's detention centre at Al Kazimiyah where
rape4 and abuse occurs. There are other women's stories: "google" 'torture
women Iraq.'

On 10 May '05, Bradley Graham reported in The Washington Post that the US
was to expand three existing detainee facilities "and open a fourth, at a
total cost of about $50m." Camp Bucca, near Umm Qasr, he wrote, would have
two extra compounds built, accommodating 7,700. Camp Bucca is known for
'bone-crushing' abuse. Cost: $12m.

Camp Cropper, near Baghdad airport, with 120 'high-value detainees', would
have extensions built to accommodate 2000 (also 'high value'?) by the end of
2005. Cost: $30m.

A Russian military barracks near al Sulaymaniyah, the capitol of Kurdistan,
has been transformed into a "Theatre Internment Facility' (aca prison),
called Fort Suse. Building started in August '05; work was subcontracted (by
Parsons 5?) The prison will accommodate 1,700+ prisoners. The first
'detainees' arrived on 24.10.05. It is alleged that the prison will be run
by Iraqis, after "extensive training." Cost: $8m.

And ...

Abu Ghraib was having an extension built for 800 'detainees.' Cost: less
than $1m.

These plans were approved by Donald Rumsfeld.

In August '05, Portal Iraq reported on Iraqi Infrastructure. They said that
"nationwide, there are 22 prison and court projects planned, with 13 ongoing
and nine complete." Where are these prisons, then?

There was an article, 'Sheik Beaten, Blinded, Tasered, Released Into The New
Iraq' by Aaron Glantz (09.05) in which Mr. Rolands of the Christian
Peacemaker Team mentioned a new prison being built by Parsons Inc. in the
north of Iraq. Mr. Rolands is quoted as saying, "In my opinion, you don't
build new prisons if you plan on just handing them all over to the Iraqis,"
Rolands says. "You build a new prison if you plan on staying a long time and
arresting many Iraqis in big house raids and big sweeps." Mr Fox of the
Christian Peacemaker team was recently found, tortured and murdered. The
fate of the three remaining CPT members remains precarious.

By November '05, Larisa Alexandrovna wrote, in Raw Story, that 'detainee'
numbers had grown to 13,514, which was confirmed by the United Nations. Only
1,300 have been tried, of which 636 have been convicted, she said.
Detainees, said Raw Story, were also kept at lesser known camps. These
include Camp Ashraf, where there have been reports of 'detainee escapes.'
Camps Al-Kazimiyah and Al-Nasiriyah are mentioned. Finally, an alleged
facility on Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean, as well as "an installation on
the USS Baton" are cited.1

The 2nd release of Abu Ghraib photographs was published on 15 February 2006.
Salon published the Complete Abu Ghraib files, composed of 279 photographs
and 19 videos, on 15 March 2006.

At the end of February '06, the New York Times reported that the State
Department was requesting $100m for building prisons, though "no other big
building projects were in the pipeline for the department's 2006
supplemental and 2007 budget requests for Iraq, which total just over $4b.
Iraq Coordinator Jeffrey said that "money would also be set aside to
increase the number of prosecutors and corrections advisers (sic)."

Is this request in addition to the Pentagon $50m confirmed by Rumsfeld?

Since the Washington Post story in 05.05, the prison population has grown to
30,000. More than 15,400 were recommended for release in March '06.

On 9 March, the US DoD American Forces Information Service, said: "News
reports that the U.S. military intends to close Abu Ghraib within the next
few months and to transfer its prisoners to other jails are inaccurate."

On 13 March '06, Peter Pace, the Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff,
said, "We do have plans to and are in the process of building other
facilities to move the detainees under US control out of Abu Ghraib. The
facility then will be owned and operated by the Iraqi government and that
government will decide when it closes - if it closes."

On the 19th of March '06, The New York Times published 'In Secret Unit's 'Black
Room,'A Grim Portrait of U.S. Abuse,' This Black Room is near Baghdad
Airport, where 'honoured' American visitors arrive, smile, and say that Iraq
will have 'democracy' and 'freedom'? Are there more grim stories like this
one waiting for exposure?

The American Civil Liberties Union Executive Director, Antony Romero, said,
"The policies are still in place, and we haven't held high-level officials
accountable for the abuse that happened on their watch. The ACLU will press
on with our lawsuit to hold Donald Rumsfeld accountable. If the American
government wants to restore faith in our commitment to human rights, we must
hold high-ranking officials accountable for their actions. Only then will
the horrors of Abu Ghraib truly come to an end."

REPORTS

08.02 Office of the Attorney General: Memorandum for Alberto Gonzales, Re:
Standards of Conduct for Interrogation (pdf)

"On 19 January 2004, Lieutenant General (LTG) Ricardo S. Sanchez, Commander,
Combined Joint Task Force Seven (CJTF-7) requested that the Commander, US
Central Command, appoint an Investigating Officer (IO) in the grade of Major
General (MG) or above to investigate the conduct of operations within the
800th Military Police (MP) Brigade." TAGUBA REPORT - HEARING ARTICLE 15-6
INVESTIGATION OF THE 800th MILITARY POLICE BRIGADE

01.04.04. "Request that the findings and recommendations of the subject
investigation relating to BG Janis L. Karpinski be set aside and no
additional adverse action taken. The 800th Military Police (MP) Brigade
(Bde) under the command of BG Karpinski successfully accomplished every
mission assigned despite being under-strength and under-resourced."BG
Karpinski Rebuttal to AR 15-6 Investigation of the 800s' Military Police
Brigade

21.07.04. Department of the Army: The Inspector General. "This inspection
report responds to the Acting Secretary of the Army's 10 February 2004
directive to conduct a functional analysis of the Army's conduct of detainee
and interrogation operations to identify any capability shortfalls with
respect to internment, enemy prisoner of war, detention operations, and
interrogation procedures and recommend appropriate resolutions or changes if
required." [PDF 2.287 Mb] Detainee Operations Inspection

23.08.04. AR 15-6 Investigation of the Abu Ghraib Prison and 205th Military
Intelligence Brigade by LTG Anthony R. Jones and MG George R. Fay US Army
[PDF 920 Kb]

Amnesty International

18.03.04. Iraq. One year on the human rights situation remains dire.

07.04.04. An open letter to President George W. Bush on the question of
torture and cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment

27.10.04. UNITED STATES OF AMERICA Human dignity denied. Torture and
accountability in the 'war on terror.

08.01.05. Cruel. Inhuman. Degrades us all. Stop torture and ill-treatment in
the 'War on terror'

06.03.06. Beyond Abu Ghraib: detention and torture in Iraq

Human Rights Watch

05.04. Letter to President Bush

05.04. Summary of International and U.S. Law Prohibiting Torture and Other
Ill-treatment of Persons in Custody

06.04. The Road to Abu Ghraib

06.04. Bush Policies Led to Abuse in Iraq

07.04. Military Investigations into Treatment of Detainees in U.S. Custody

01.05. The New Iraq

04.05. Getting Away with Torture?

09.05. Leadership Failure

24.05. New Accounts of Torture by U.S. Troops 2006 World Report

01 - 02.06. "According to the Ministry of Human Rights, as of 28 February
2006, there were total of 29,565 detainees -- 14,229 in the custody of the
MNF-I; 8,391 in the custody of the Ministry of Justice; 488 juveniles under
the custody of the Ministry of Labor and Social Affairs; 5,997 held by the
Ministry of Interior and 460 by the Ministry of Defense ... The Human Rights
Office also continues to receive regular allegations and evidence of torture
in detention centres, particularly those not operated or controlled by the
Ministry of Justice. UN Assistance Mission for Iraq

Also see: Greenberg, Karen. The Torture Papers: The Road to Abu Ghraib,
Cambridge University Press. McCoy, Alfred. A Question of Torture,
Metropolitan Books, New York, 2006.

"We don't do torture." CIA Director, Porter Goss, testifying before the
Senate Armed Services Committee, March '05.

How can the United States Senate and Congress sit there doing NOTHING to
prevent the disgrace of US prisons in Iraq and the subsequent torture of
incarcerated detainees?'

Footnotes

[1] A prisoner has legal rights. The OED definition of 'detainer' has
negative implications, implying unlawfulness. A 'detainee' has no rights,
and can be imprisoned, tortured, deported and/or suffer 'rendition' by the
US/UK.

[2] Abu Ghraib Scandal Time-Line

[3] See also Treatment of Prisoners Dossier

[4] Photographs 2004; women raped in Iraq.

[5] The press release, 'Parsons Will Design/Build Security and Justice
Facilities,' was on 29.03.04, i.e. one month before the Abu Ghraib '03
photographs became public. This 'awarded' contract was worth $900m.

[6] On 14 March '06, the Moscow Times revived an allegation that Ukraine
hosted a secret CIA prison for terrorist suspects.

http://indexresearch.blogspot.com/2...

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 1:23 am
From: "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"

"Stan de SD" <standesd_DIGA_NO_A_SPAM@covad.net> wrote in message

> "David Morgan (MAMS)" <mams@NOSPAm-a-m-s.com> wrote in message

> > "Frank F. Matthews" <frankfmatthews@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
> > >
> > > If it is new then you have not looked at his background.

> > I dunno, Frank... Some of these requests make sense to me,
> > so I support his efforts to awaken the public, whatever the result.
> >
> > ____________________________________
> >
> > Scholars Call for Release of 9/11 Information
> > http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/

> Since you're so worked up about this,

Since when does "I dunno'" sound like "all worked up"?? I'd say that
it is you who is 'all worked up' over the fact that I have the right to an
opinion ...at least for a little while longer.

> here are some questions for you:

There's no doubt in my mind that I shouldn't waste my time on you. Not
only are the answers to these questions easy to find, but they are weak
questions and obviously posed by a subservient sheep. I won't do you
the honor again, after this pass.

> (1) If you think that the Bush administration is somhow complicit in this,
> what would have been their objective?

MONEY and POWER.

Money and power.... it doesn't get any more simple, or complicated, so
I probably shouldn't go on and arm you with cites you can pick on.

Both the military and the oil industries stood to profit from the resulting
war, and virtually the entire executive branch and it's appointees have
their fingers in the cookie jars of arms, oil, and energy... most especially
the Bush and Cheney familes.

Global domination of oil and mineral resources. See: PNAC

Establishing a Dictatorship in the United States.

BILLIONS upon billions of stolen dollars.

more:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4582.htm

Exxon Mobil Posts Largest Annual Profit for U.S. Company
January 30, 2006, New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/30/business/30cnd-exxon.html

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/040606P.shtml

http://www.tyrannyalert.com/video.htm

Amy Goodman with David Goodman (2004 book exerpt)

Zurnach had obtained portions of Iraq's report to the
United Nations detailing its weapons programs. What
Zurnach had was a collector's item: He had the parts
of Iraq's 12,000-page report that the United States
had redacted.

You might think the United States deemed this material
dangerous because it could be misused by terrorists.
Try again: The material was dangerous because if it
got out, it would expose corporate and official complicity
in arming Iraq, which might dampen global enthusiasm
for war.

The portions of the UN report censored by the United
States identified at least twenty-four U.S. corporations
that helped Iraq build its pre-Gulf War weapons programs
and rockets. The list includes

Bechtel (conventional)
DuPont (nuclear)
Eastman Kodak (rocket)
Hewlett-Packard (nuclear, rocket, conventional)
Honeywell (rocket, conventional)
International Computer Systems (nuclear, rocket, conventional)
Rockwell (conventional)
Sperry Corp. (rocket, conventional)
Tektronix (rocket, nuclear)
Unisys (nuclear, conventional)

Die Tageszeitung also reported that the U.S. Department of
Energy delivered essential nonfissile parts for Baghdad's
nuclear weapons program in the 1980s. The Reagan and
Bush I administrations also authorized sales of deadly
chemical and biological agents to Iraq, including anthrax
and bubonic plague.

http://www.questionsquestions.net/docs04/khashoggi-911.html

http://www.southcoastresponse.com/board/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=246854&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/6/2/62018.shtml

___________________________

"We're going out of town on Tuesday, Osama... The key is
under the doormat." - US Government, Sept 11, 2001

> (2) If you think this was an inside job, who did Osama and al-Qaeda claim
> responsibility for it?

Ahh... You mean, 'Osama Ben Forgotten' ??

The question should be, what makes you think he did ?

Osama bin Laden is not even Wanted on the FBI TOP TEN for 9/11.

Osama bin Laden made no such claim. The television (via the government
released news stories) told you it was Osama. They have proceeded to tell
the public repetitively for the past 4.5 years that it *was* Osama. Strangely
enough, we've long since stopped looking for the man that GWB swore that
bringing "to justice" was his _number one_ priority. If you obtained even a
small percentage of your world news from sources outside of the controlled
media of the US, you would have known this since the very beginning.

What proof, other than anything referencing the official government released
and reported story, can you provide to the contrary? Tough job, eh?

http://911review.org/Wiki/OsamaBinAsset.shtml

< Who is Osama? >

http://www.zmag.org/qacalam.htm
Osama bin Laden is an exiled Saudi, who inherited a fortune estimated
at $300 million, though it's not clear how much remains of it. Fanatically
devoted to his intolerant version of Islam -- a version rejected by the vast
majority of Muslims -- bin Laden volunteered his services to the Afghan
Mujahideen, the religious warriors battling the invading Soviet Union from
1979 to 1989. The Afghan rebels were bankrolled by Saudi Arabia and
the United States and trained by Pakistani intelligence, with help from the
CIA. The United States provided huge amounts of arms, including famed
'Stingers' -- one-person anti-aircraft missiles -- despite warnings that these
could end up in the hands of terrorists. Washington thus allied itself with
bin Laden and more than 25,000 other Islamic militants from around the
world who came to Afghanistan to join the holy war against the Russians.
As long as they were willing to fight the Soviet Union, the U.S. welcomed
them, even though many were virulently anti-American, some even
connected to the 1981 assassination of Anwar Sadat of Egypt. When
Moscow finally withdrew its troops from Afghanistan, some of these
Islamic militants turned their sights on their other enemies, including
Egypt (where they hoped to establish an Islamic state), Saudi Arabia,
and the United States. Bin Laden established an organization of these
holy war veterans -- al Qaida. In February 1998, bin Laden issued a
statement, endorsed by several extreme Islamic groups, declaring
it the duty of all Muslims to kill U.S. citizens -- civilian or military -- and
their allies everywhere.

The Boston Herald reports: “Three banks allegedly used by Osama
bin Laden to distribute money to his global terrorism network have
well-established ties to a prince in Saudi Arabia’s royal family, several
billionaire Saudi bankers, and the governments of Kuwait and Dubai.
One of the banks, Al-Shamal Islamic Bank in the Sudan, was controlled
directly by bin Laden, according to a 1996 US State Department report.”
A regional expert states, “I think we underestimate bin Laden. He comes
from the highest levels of Saudi society and he has supporters at all
levels of Saudi Arabia.” [Boston Herald, 11/14/2001]

You asked another poster for cites... like you're too damned lazy to look
for yourself; or to have kept up with ALL sides of the issue; or truthfully,
you do not *want* to know, as you feel better walking in ignorance with
the rest of the sheep.

A few Cites:

September 16, 2001:
Bin Laden Denies Involvement in 9/11 Attacks

Confirming earlier reports [Reuters, 10/13/2001] , bin Laden
denies any involvement in the 9/11 attacks. In a statement to
Al Jazeera, he states, “I would like to assure the world that I
did not plan the recent attacks, which seems to have been
planned by people for personal reasons.” [CNN, 10/17/2001]

September 28, 2001:
Bin Laden Again Denies Involvement in 9/11 Attacks

Bin Laden says in an interview, “I have already said that I am
not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States.
As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no
knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of
innocent women, children and other human beings as an
appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent
women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden
even in the course of battle.
"The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these
attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the US system
but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working for some
other system; persons who want to make the present century
as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that
their own civilization, nation, country, or ideology can survive.
They may be anyone, from Russia to Israel and from India to
Serbia. In the US itself, there are dozens of well-organized
and well-equipped groups capable of causing large-scale
destruction. Then you cannot forget the American Jews, who
have been annoyed with President Bush ever since the Florida
elections and who want to avenge him. ... Then there are
intelligence agencies in the US, which require billions of
dollars worth of funds from Congress and the government
every year. ... They needed an enemy. ... Is it not that there
exists a government within the government in the United States?
That secret government must be asked who carried out the attacks."
[Daily Ummat (Karachi), 10/28/2001] [Carried by BBC]

Early October 2001:
Bin Laden Agrees to Face International Tribunal; US Not Interested?

Leaders of Pakistan’s two Islamic parties are negotiating bin
Laden’s extradition to Pakistan to stand trial for the 9/11 attacks
during this period, according to a later Mirror article. Under the
plan, bin Laden will be held under house arrest in Peshawar
and will face an international tribunal, which will decide whether
to try him or hand him over to the US. According to reports in
Pakistan (and the Daily Telegraph), this plan has been approved
by both bin Laden and Taliban leader Mullah Omar. [Mirror, 8/8/2002]
Based on the first priority in the US’s new “war on terror” proclaimed
by President Bush, the US presumably would welcome this plan.
For example, Bush had just announced, “I want justice. And there’s
an old poster out West, I recall, that says, ‘Wanted: Dead or Alive.’”
[ABC News, 10/17/2001] Yet, Bush’s ally in the war on terror,
Pakistani President Musharraf, rejects the plan (stating that his
reason for doing so was because he “could not guarantee bin
Laden’s safety”). Based on a US official’s later statements, it
appears that the US did not want the deal: “Casting our objectives
too narrowly” risked “a premature collapse of the international
effort to overthrow the Taliban if by some lucky chance Mr. bin
Laden was captured.” [Mirror, 8/8/2002]

"In our investigation, we have not uncovered a single piece of
paper—either here in the United States or in the treasure trove
of information that has turned up in Afghanistan and elsewhere -
that mentioned _any_ aspect of the Sept. 11 plot."
---FBI Director Robert Mueller,

http://www.newsfrombabylon.com/index.php?q=node/2143/print&CSID=e2243fbbbe502a4ad39fde28c51c9bfc

______________________

> (3) If they were responsible for orchestrating airplanes into the
> WTC, why would they need to blow them up as well?

The "Shock and Awe" factor on the US public. Besides, Larry
Silverstein wouldn't have collected his $300,000,000 in profits
had they not fallen. The towers were due for renovations that
would have run in the several hundred million dollar range.

> (4) Conversely, if they planned on blowing them up anyway,
> why bother with the airplane?

This doesn't even deserve a stupid answer. If you can't see that
there was serious need for a believable alibi... sheesh, nevermind.

> Try to answer those before going off on long tangents about
> things that are nothing but wild speculation, OK?

Try to ask some questions that aren't geared for the infantile.

Better yet, go to the movies at home...
http://www.tyrannyalert.com/video.htm

So.... how's the weather out west, Stan?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 8:34 pm
From: AnonMoos

"America Has Replaced Collapsed Ottoman Empire" <america_has_replaced_collapsed_ottoman_empire@yahoo.com> (Umm Alfalfa) wrote:

> The Crucifixion of Christ, American Style

Hey Abu Alfalfa, you don't believe that Christ was crucified at all in
the first place (since orthodox Islam demands that one must subscribe
to the tiresome old Gnostic-Docetic heresy which Muhammad for some
reason saw fit to revive in Qur'an verse 4:157), so that it's the
height of hypocrisy for you to post a message accusing Americans of
recrucifying Christ

Can you spell Munafiq? Mim-nun-alif-fa-qaf. I knew you could!

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 9:25 pm
From: Voice Of Reason <>

"D12 rapper and longtime friend of Eminem, Proof, was shot and killed
this morning at a Detroit club called 3C, located on the city's famed
Eight Mile. Proof, born Deshaun Holton, was announced dead on arrival
at Conner Creek Medical Center just after 5 a.m. He was thirty-two
years old. "

"Police were called to the scene in early this morning after reports
of gunfire and fighting at the venue, which was operating illegally
after-hours. Another unidentified, thirty-five-year-old man was also
shot, and is listed in critical condition. An investigation into the
incident is underway."

The list of cRappers who have been sent to meet their Maker by a
bullet or a knife is long, and never stops growing.

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D12 Rapper Proof Fatally Shot

Eminem's right-hand man killed at Detroit club D12 rapper and longtime
friend of Eminem, Proof, was shot and killed this morning at a Detroit
club called 3C, located on the city's famed Eight Mile. Proof, born
Deshaun Holton, was announced dead on arrival at Conner Creek Medical
Center just after 5 a.m. He was thirty-two years old.

Police were called to the scene in early this morning after reports of
gunfire and fighting at the venue, which was operating illegally
after-hours. Another unidentified, thirty-five-year-old man was also
shot, and is listed in critical condition. An investigation into the
incident is underway.

Proof was among the most revered MCs in Detroit and befriended fellow
Motor City rapper Eminem before joining Em's rap troupe D12. Proof
went on to make a brief appearance in Em's hit biopic, 8 Mile, and was
ever-present in the courtroom in 2001, when Eminem was battling gun
charges. Proof also served as the best man at the superstar rapper's
wedding to his on-and-off love Kim Mathers last January.

"Me and Eminem have wonderful chemistry, and we have wonderful songs,"
the rapper told Rolling Stone last summer while on the all-star
hip-hop Anger Management 3 tour.

This is the second shooting involving a member of Eminem's entourage
in three months: Rapper Obie Trice was shot and injured on New Year's
Eve while driving on Detroit's Lodge Freeway.

Early last year, Eminem released a video for "Like Toy Soldiers," off
his last studio album, 2004's Encore, that slammed violence in the
hip-hop community. In the clip, Proof is shot, and Eminem sits in the
hospital waiting room as doctors try to revive his friend.

Proof released his solo debut, Searching for Jerry Garcia, last summer
on his independent label Iron Fist Records. "It's a long time coming,"
he said. "I'm very nervous because of the perception of the group we
run with -- there's a lot of pressure."

Memorial service arrangements for Proof are still being made.

JESSICA ROBERTSON

Posted Apr 11, 2006 10:48 AM

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 9:27 pm
From: "serwad"

U.S. urged to apologize for 1930s deportations
By Wendy Koch, USA TODAY
His father and oldest sister were farming sugar beets in the fields of
Hamilton, Mont., and his mother was cooking tortillas when 6-year-old
Ignacio Piña saw plainclothes authorities burst into his home.

"They came in with guns and told us to get out," recalls Piña, 81, a retired
railroad worker in Bakersfield, Calif., of the 1931 raid. "They didn't let
us take anything," not even a trunk that held birth certificates proving
that he and his five siblings were U.S.-born citizens.

The family was thrown into a jail for 10 days before being sent by train to
Mexico. Piña says he spent 16 years of "pure hell" there before acquiring
papers of his Utah birth and returning to the USA.

The deportation of Piña's family tells an almost-forgotten story of a 1930s
anti-immigrant campaign. Tens of thousands, and possibly more than 400,000,
Mexicans and Mexican-Americans were pressured - through raids and job
denials - to leave the USA during the Depression, according to a USA TODAY
review of documents and interviews with historians and deportees. Many,
mostly children, were U.S. citizens.

Related story: Some stories hard to get in history books

If their tales seem incredible, a newspaper analysis of the history
textbooks used most in U.S. middle and high schools may explain why: Little
has been written about the exodus, often called "the repatriation."

That may soon change. As the U.S. Senate prepares to vote on bills that
would either help illegal workers become legal residents or boost
enforcement of U.S. immigration laws, an effort to address deportations that
happened 70 years ago has gained traction:

. On Thursday, Rep. Hilda Solis, D-Calif., plans to introduce a bill in the
U.S. House that calls for a commission to study the "deportation and coerced
emigration" of U.S. citizens and legal residents. The panel would also
recommend remedies that could include reparations. "An apology should be
made," she says.

Co-sponsor Rep. Luis Gutierrez, D-Ill., says history may repeat itself. He
says a new House bill that makes being an illegal immigrant a felony could
prompt a "massive deportation of U.S. citizens," many of them U.S.-born
children leaving with their parents.

"We have safeguards to ensure people aren't deported who shouldn't be," says
Jeff Lungren, GOP spokesman for the House Judiciary Committee, adding the
new House bill retains those safeguards.

. In January, California became the first state to enact a bill that
apologizes to Latino families for the 1930s civil rights violations. It
declined to approve the sort of reparations the U.S. Congress provided in
1988 for Japanese-Americans interned during World War II.

Democratic state Sen. Joe Dunn, a self-described "Irish white guy from
Minnesota" who sponsored the state bill, is now pushing a measure to require
students be taught about the 1930s emigration. He says as many as 2 million
people of Mexican ancestry were coerced into leaving, 60% of them U.S.
citizens.

. In October, a group of deportees and their relatives, known as los
repatriados, will host a conference in Detroit on the topic. Organizer Helen
Herrada, whose father was deported, has conducted 100 oral histories and
produced a documentary. She says many sent to Mexico felt "humiliated" and
didn't want to talk about it. "They just don't want it to happen again."

No precise figures exist on how many of those deported in the 1930s were
illegal immigrants. Since many of those harassed left on their own, and
their journeys were not officially recorded, there are also no exact figures
on the total number who departed.

At least 345,839 people went to Mexico from 1930 to 1935, with 1931 as the
peak year, says a 1936 dispatch from the U.S. Consulate General in Mexico
City.

"It was a racial removal program," says Mae Ngai, an immigration history
expert at the University of Chicago, adding people of Mexican ancestry were
targeted.

However, Americans in the 1930s were "really hurting," says Otis Graham,
history professor emeritus at the University of California, Santa Barbara.
One in four workers were unemployed and many families hungry. Deporting
illegal residents was not an "outrageous idea," Graham says. "Don't lose the
context."

A pressure campaign

In the early 1900s, Mexicans poured into the USA, welcomed by U.S. factory
and farm owners who needed their labor. Until entry rules tightened in 1924,
they simply paid a nickel to cross the border and get visas for legal
residency.

"The vast majority were here legally, because it was so easy to enter
legally," says Kevin Johnson, a law professor at the University of
California, Davis.

They spread out across the nation. They sharecropped in California, Texas
and Louisiana, harvested sugar beets in Montana and Minnesota, laid railroad
tracks in Kansas, mined coal in Utah and Oklahoma, packed meat in Chicago
and assembled cars in Detroit.

By 1930, the U.S. Census counted 1.42 million people of Mexican ancestry,
and 805,535 of them were U.S. born, up from 700,541 in 1920.

Change came in 1929, as the stock market and U.S. economy crashed. That
year, U.S. officials tightened visa rules, reducing legal immigration from
Mexico to a trickle. They also discussed what to do with those already in
the USA.

"The government undertook a program that coerced people to leave," says
Layla Razavi, policy analyst for the Mexican American Legal Defense and
Education Fund (MALDEF). "It was really a hostile environment." She says
federal officials in the Hoover administration, like local-level officials,
made no distinction between people of Mexican ancestry who were in the USA
legally and those who weren't.

"The document trail is shocking," says Dunn, whose staff spent two years
researching the topic after he read the 1995 book Decade of Betrayal:
Mexican Repatriation in the 1930s, by Francisco Balderrama and Raymond
Rodriguez.

USA TODAY reviewed hundreds of pages of documents, some provided by Dunn and
MALDEF and others found at the National Archives. They cite officials saying
the deportations lawfully focused on illegal immigrants while the exodus of
legal residents was voluntary. Yet they suggest people of Mexican ancestry
faced varying forms of harassment and intimidation:

. Raids. Officials staged well-publicized raids in public places. On Feb.
26, 1931, immigration officials suddenly closed off La Placita, a square in
Los Angeles, and questioned the roughly 400 people there about their legal
status.

The raids "created a climate of fear and anxiety" and prompted many Mexicans
to leave voluntarily, says Balderrama, professor of Chicano studies and
history at California State University, Los Angeles.

In a June 1931 memo to superiors, Walter Carr, Los Angeles district director
of immigration, said "thousands upon thousands of Mexican aliens" have been
"literally scared out of Southern California."

Some of them came from hospitals and needed medical care en route to Mexico,
immigrant inspector Harry Yeager wrote in a November 1932 letter.

The Wickersham Commission, an 11-member panel created by President Hoover,
said in a May 1931 report that immigration inspectors made "checkups" of
boarding houses, restaurants and pool rooms without "warrants of any kind."
Labor Secretary William Doak responded that the "checkups" occurred very
rarely.

. Jobs withheld. Prodded by labor unions, states and private companies
barred non-citizens from some jobs, Balderrama says.

"We need their jobs for needy citizens," C.P. Visel of the Los Angeles
Citizens Committee for Coordination of Unemployment Relief wrote in a 1931
telegram. In a March 1931 letter to Doak, Visel applauded U.S. officials for
the "exodus of aliens deportable and otherwise who have been scared out of
the community."

Emilia Castenada, 79, recalls coming home from school in 1935 in Los Angeles
and hearing her father say he was being deported because "there was no work
for Mexicans." She says her father, a stonemason, was a legal resident who
owned property. A U.S. citizen who spoke little Spanish, she left the USA
with her brother and father, who was never allowed back.

"The jobs were given to the white Americans, not the Mexicans," says Carlos
DeAnda Guerra, 77, a retired furniture upholsterer in Carpinteria, Calif. He
says his parents entered the USA legally in 1917 but were denied jobs. He,
his mother and five U.S.-born siblings were deported in 1931, while his
father, who then went into hiding, stayed to pick oranges.

"The slogan has gone out over the city (Los Angeles) and is being adhered
to - 'Employ no Mexican while a white man is unemployed,' " wrote George
Clements, manager of the Los Angeles Chamber of Commerce's agriculture
department, in a memo to his boss Arthur Arnoll. He said the Mexicans' legal
status was not a factor: "It is a question of pigment, not a question of
citizenship or right."

. Public aid threatened. County welfare offices threatened to withhold the
public aid of many Mexican-Americans, Ngai says. Memos show they also
offered to pay for trips to Mexico but sometimes failed to provide adequate
food. An immigration inspector reported in a November 1932 memo that no
provisions were made for 78 children on a train. Their only sustenance: a
few ounces of milk daily.

Most of those leaving were told they could return to the USA whenever they
wanted, wrote Clements in an August 1931 letter. "This is a grave mistake,
because it is not the truth." He reported each was given a card that made
their return impossible, because it showed they were "county charities."
Even those born in the USA, he wrote, wouldn't be able to return unless they
had a birth certificate or similar proof.

. Forced departures. Some of the deportees who were moved by train or car
had guards to ensure they left the USA and others were sent south on a
"closed-body school bus" or "Mexican gun boat," memos show.

"Those who tried to say 'no' ended up in the physical deportation category,"
Dunn says, adding they were taken in squad cars to train stations.

Mexican-Americans recall other pressure tactics. Arthur Herrada, 81, a
retired Ford engineer in Huron, Ohio, says his father, who was a legal U.S.
resident, was threatened with deportation if he didn't join the U.S. Army.
His father enlisted.

'We weren't welcome'

"It was an injustice that shouldn't have happened," says Jose Lopez, 79, a
retired Ford worker in Detroit. He says his father came to the USA legally
but couldn't find his papers in 1931 and was deported. To keep the family
together, his mother took her six U.S.-born children to Mexico, where they
often survived on one meal a day. Lopez welcomes a U.S. apology.

So does Guerra, the retired upholsterer, whose voice still cracks with
emotion when he talks about how deportation tore his family apart. "I'm very
resentful. I don't trust the government at all," says Guerra, who later
served in the U.S. military.

Piña says his entire family got typhoid fever in Mexico and his father, who
had worked in Utah coal mines, died of black lung disease in 1935. "My
mother was left destitute, with six of us, in a country we knew nothing
about," he says. They lived in the slums of Mexico City, where his formal
education ended in sixth grade. "We were misfits there. We weren't welcome."

"The Depression was very bad here. You can imagine how hard it was in
Mexico," says Piña, who proudly notes the advanced college degrees of each
of his four U.S.-raised sons. "You can't put 16 years of pure hell out of
your mind."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation...

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 1:26 am
From: Harry Mazal

On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:58:05 -0500, "127.0.0.1" <127.0.0.1@127.0.0.1> wrote:

>Imagine the day US taxpayers are required to pay a holocaust tax.

>Don't..................that day is here.

When even Heinz/Libby have to go public to explain why they refuse to continue
paying the KOSHER TAX, you can believe them.

Is this why the ZHIDS campaigned against Kerry and his wife, owner of Heinz?

On 14 Oct 2004 05:46:23 -0000,Pamyat18 wrote:

>Mamzer Kenneth McVay,SOBC, the well-known fag and mamser in Canada,
>Fag McVay of Vancouver, convicted of child molesting
>and car theft in California and Oregon, and still
>unemployed gas pump boy, mastermind of the
>Canadian branch of NAMBLA, now finally dying as a
>diseased AIDS-spreader, wants all to know
>about all his fellow ZHID criminals and perverts.
>Here is the latest.......

Notice that the foul pervert and molester McVay just can not deny the
FACTS of the article!
This was even confirmed in the jew newspaper tied in with McVay, where
they carried the article about HEINZ DUMPING THE KOSHER TAX in Canada,
because too damn expensive!!

Where possible support products that refuse to pay the kosher tax!

>GayMcVaySOBC@truthmail.com (GayMcVaySOBC) wrote in message
>news:<7ec78acb.0402121323.7bdc880c@posting.google.com>...
>> From: tyler <tylerdurdensidea@yahoo.com>
>> Newsgroups:
>bc.general,calgary.general,soc.culture.jewish,alt.revisionism,alt.conspiracy
>> Subject: McVay - his own worst enemy!
>> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:06:07 GMT

>> McVay - his own worst enemy!

>> I posted a series of simple comments and questions about the kosher or
>> rabbinical tax on food products and Mr. McVay immediately labeled me
>> as a racist and an anti-semite.
>> Then he claims that businesses that pay the tax are not coerced in any
>> way.

>> Let's examine this calmly and logically and look at his behaviour.

>> If McVay is the standard for the Jewish community then it is clear
>> from his postings on the internet/usenet that the standard response
>> is: if anyone questions the rabbinical or kosher tax they are to be
>> immediately attacked as being racist and anti-semitic.

>> Based on this standard response how can anyone with intellect imagine
>> anything different being said to businessmen when approached with
>> kosher certification? My posting is a minor incident yet it elicited
>> rage and endless accusation from McVay. Just look at his message
>> headers! And yet he expects that the same is not being done where real
>> money is involved?

>> Mr. McVay, if you want us to believe that businesses are not being
>> coerced then perhaps you should set an example first.

>> Oops, it's too late isn't it? I've proven that businesses are being
>> coerced.

>> It's never too late to change though. You can start by apologizing.

>> tyler

>> Subject: KOSHER TAX Ripoff-HEINZ/Libby Dumps,Too Expensive to
>> Consumers!!

>> NOTICE THAT NONE OF THE FILTHY ZHID APOLOGISTS FOR THIS EXTORTION WILL
>> SAY WHAT IS THE TOTAL IN HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PAID FOR THIS
>> EXTORTION!!

>> We do know that Philip Wolf a part-time kosher food inspector (sic) in
>> Calgary Canada testified in court that he gets $35,000 for his
>> part-time job!!

>> Heinz/Libby finally got fed up this year,and stopped paying the
>> extortion tax!!

>> Now, when you buy HEINZ and LIBBY goods, you are no
>> longer lining the pocketrs of the COR Jew parasites,
>> like the so-called kosher food inspector in Calgary,
>> Toronto and wherever they hide under the rocks....
>> Now, these leeches will have to try and find some work to do,
>> such as janitorial, road sweeping or whatever they may be
>> qualified to do...

>> Notice that parasite Ken McVay AGREES WITH THE TRUTH OF THE
>> ARTICLES. That is why his Jew masters have him do ad
>> hominem attacks instead, to try and divert attention!!

>> From: norma2339@charter.net
>> Newsgroups: wpg.general,calgary.general
>> Subject: Re: Heinz Dumps KOSHER TAX-Too Expensive to Consumers!!
>> Date: 2 Apr 2003 02:33:32 -0800
>> "veranda" <nobody@home.com> wrote in message
>news:<NQria.6802$vs.479414@news3.calgary.shaw.ca>...
>> > > > veranda : the origins of Kosher are of very good value since it
>> > > > teaches sanitary way of food storage , handling and preparation .
>> > > > Those were valuable practices hundreds of years ago .
>> > > > The whole point is that Today it only duplicates the work of
>> > > > Public Food Inspectors and therefore is an unjustified extra cost

>> > <norma2339@charter.net> wrote in message
>> > news:9abc4e06.0304010305.50dc870e@posting.google.com...
>> > > What duplication? It is a symbol on the container and the cost would
>> > > not change in any way. This "paranoia" is silly.

>> veranda : what 'paranoia' ?? we are talking about saving money .
>> In order to have the Kosher mark on a product the manufacturer
>> must subscribe to the Rabbi inspections ( just like Public
>> Inspectors ) and the Rabbi are charging money for their services ,
>> you knew that !
>> Kosher is Israel's food inspectors , dear , not in Canada though ,
>> we got our own ! :)

>> Well, to set the record straight. The Rabbinate council that approves
>> something Kosher according to milk and meat products probably got a
>> flat fee and if the company continued to raise the prices that counsel
>> doesn't really care. It is not an item by item thing. With the
>> Kosher diet it matters what foods are eate together (and never mil and
>> meat) and one eats mostly milk meals, because the time period between
>> those types of meals is longer after meat (a much heavier meal in the
>> day.)

>> What would it save you--less than $10 a year.

>> All countries have their own Rabbinate Cousels, so don't think that it
>> is just Canada with their own. Maybe it is the Canadian Rabbis who
>> have demanded more money?

>> Or, perhaps Philip Wolf, the KOSHER FOOD INSPECTOR in Calgary wanted
>> more than the $35,000 a year he got for duplicating the work of the
>> Canadian authorities?? Apparently, his part-time stamps business
>> couldn't make any money either.

>> On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 10:25:20 -0600, Boris Dynin <boris@movil.com>
>> wrote:

>> Further to the article below about Heinz/Libby, the smaller article
>> following sheds more light on the KOSHER NOSTRA EXTORTION TAX!!

>> The "Kosher Nostra Scam" on the American Consumer
>> by Ernesto Cienfuegos
>> La Voz de Aztlan

>> Los Angeles, Alta California - 4/27/2002 - (ACN) La Voz de Aztlan
>> receives quite a few "news tips" per week from our many subscribers
>> and readers. Some we dismiss immediately but a very few catch our
>> attention.

>> Last week we received an e-mail asking us if we knew the significance
>> of the small encircled letter "U" or letter "K" that can be found
>> printed on many food cans, food packages and on other kitchen
>> products. The message gave us some clues and suggested that we
>> do some research into the subject. What we found
>> certainly was "news" to us and it both shocked and angered us.

>> On arriving at my residence, I immediately went to the pantry to
>> verify that what I had just learned was actually true. Sure enough,
>> most of the packaged and canned foods from major companies, like
>> Proctor & Gamble and others, did have the (U), the (K) or other
>> similar markings. The Arrowhead water bottle, the instant Folgers
>> Coffee, the Kelloggs box, the Jiff Peanut Butter, the Pepper
>> container, the Trader Joe's tea box and even the Glads plastic
>> sandwich bags carton had the (U) or (K) mark on them.

>> We needed a little more verification so we called two major companies
>> to ask some questions. We chose Proctor & Gamble that markets the
>> Folgers Coffee and the Clorox Company that manufactures the Glads
>> plastic zip lock sandwich bags. Each of the two companies, as well as
>> most others, have 1-800 telephone numbers printed on their packages
>> for consumers to call in case they have any questions about their
>> products. When we asked the Proctor & Gamble representative what the
>> (U) meant on their Folgers Coffee container, she asked us to wait
>> until she consulted with her supervisor. She came back and informed us
>> that the mark meant that the coffee was " certified kosher".

>> We than asked her how and who certified the coffee to be "kosher" and
>> whether it cost any money to do so. She refused to answer these and
>> other questions. She suggested that we write to their Corporate Public
>> Affairs Department. We than called the Clorox Corporation to ask what
>> the (U) meant on the package of their Glads plastic sandwich bags and
>> she also said that the (U) meant that the plastic bags were "kosher"
>> but refused to answer questions concerning payments the Clorox
>> Corporation has to make in order to be able to print the (U) on their
>> products.

>> What we learned next, pretty much floored me personally. I learned
>> that major food companies throughout America actually pay a Jewish Tax
>> amounting to HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS PER YEAR per year in order to
>> receive protection.
>> This hidden tax gets passed, of course, to all non-Jewish consumers of
>> the products. The scam is to coerce the companies to pay up or suffer
>> the consequences of a Jewish boycott. Jewish consumers have learned
>> not to buy any kitchen product that does not have the (U) the (K) and
>> other similar markings.

>> Another shocker was learning who is actually behind these
>> sophisticated "Kosher Nostra Scams." It turns out that the
>> perpetrators of these elaborate extortion schemes are actually
>> Rabbinical Councils that are set up, not just in the U.S. but in other
>> western countries as well. For example, the largest payola operation
>> in the U.S. is run by those who license the (U) symbol. The
>> (U) symbol provides protection for many products sold here in Aztlan
>> and in the United States. This symbol is managed by the The Union of
>> Orthodox Jewish Congregations with headquarters at 333 Seventh Avenue
>> in New York City.

>> The scam works like a well oiled machine and is now generating vast
>> amounts of funds, some of which are being utilized by the Union of
>> Orthodox Rabbis to support the Ariel Sharon Zionist government in
>> Israel. The website of the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations is
>> full of pro-Israel and anti-Palestinian propaganda.

>> The "Kosher Nostra" protection racket starts when an Orthodox Rabbi
>> approaches a company to warn the owners that unless their product is
>> certified as kosher, or "fit for a Jew to eat", they will face a
>> boycott by every Jew in America. Most, if not all of the food
>> companies, succumb to the blackmail because of fear of the Jewish
>> dominated media and a boycott that may eventually culminate in
>> bankruptcy. Also, the food companies know that the cost can be passed
>> on to the consumer anyway. The food companies have kept secret from
>> the general consumer the meaning of the (U) and the amount
>> of money they have to pay the Jewish Rabbis.

>> It is estimated that the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations, which
>> manages the (U) symbol protection racket, controls about 85% of the
>> "Kosher Nostra " certification business. They now employ about 1200
>> Rabbi agents that are spread through out the U.S.

>> Food companies must first pay an exorbitant application fee and then a
>> large annual fee for the use of the (U) copyright symbol. Secondly,
>> the companies must pay separate fees each time a team of Rabbis shows
>> up to "inspect" the company's operations.
>> Certain food companies are required to hire Rabbis full time at very
>> lucrative salaries.

>> The amount of money that the non-Jewish consumer has paid the food
>> companies to make up for the hidden Jewish Tax is unknown, but it is
>> estimated to be in the BILLIONS since the scam first started. The
>> Orthodox Jewish Councils as well as the food companies keep the amount
>> of the fees very secret. The Jewish owned Wall Street Journal wrote
>> about the problem many years ago, but they have stopped writing about
>> it now.

>> Only public awareness concerning the "Kosher Nostra Scam" will
>> eventually help stop this swindle of the American consumer. Public
>> education of the scam may lead to an eventual non-Jewish boycott of
>> all products with the (U), (K) or other Jewish protection symbols. I
>> certainly do not need to pay extra for "kosher water", "kosher coffee"
>> or "kosher plastic sandwich bags".
>> In fact, I demand my money back for all I had to pay over the years
>> for the hidden and illegal Jewish Tax. Are there any bright attorneys
>> out there that could bring a class action suit against the Union of
>> Orthodox Jewish Congregations on behalf of the citizens of Aztlan and
>> other non-Jewish people?
>> * * * * * * * * * * * *

>> CONGRATULATIONS TO HEINZ/LIBBY FOR STARTING THE
>> ANTI-KOSHER NOSTRA REVOLT!!

>> >>Further to the article below, today's Southam newspapers
>> >>report that Canadian Jew News stated that Heinz Canada
>> >>have removed the Koosher Tax Certification from almost
>> >>all Heinz products.

>> >>Heinz declared this was done " to keep costs down" according
>> >>to Heinz spokeman Anna Relyea.

>> >>To save money Heinz stopped the KOSHER TAX on tomato sauces
>> >>and pastes, vinegar and mustard, and also jars of baby foods.
>> >>Also, the KOSHER TAX was dropped on all domestic beans,
>> >>including those sold under the Libby's label.

>> >>Naturally, the ZHID rabbis who made a killing in fees from
>> >>the KOSHER TAX are now complaining, according to Rabbi
>> >>Mordechai Levin, executive director of COR(Council of
>> >>Orthodox Rabbis).

>> >>Good for Heinz!! Perhaps now more firms will join the
>> >>refusal to pay the KOSHER TAX!!!

>> >>From: tyler <tylerdurdensidea@yahoo.com>
>> >>Newsgroups: calgary.general,soc.culture.jewish,edm.general
>> >>Subject: You asked for it! Proof that COR religous tax on food costs
>> >>consumers
>> >>Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 00:55:49 GMT

>> >>You asked for it! Proof that COR religous tax on food costs consumers

>> >>It has been said by zionists and orthodox that the COR tax on Canadian
>> >>food does not cost the consumer. Of course this is ridiculous and the
>> >>proof is easily found.

>> >>COR stands for Council of Orthodox Jews. They certify foods as kosher.
>> >>Foods such as Heinz Ketchup and Windsor Salt, and non foods such as
>> >>aluminum foil and bleach, have COR certification. Look at the label,
>> >>if you see COR followed by a number then the manufacturer pays rabbis
>> >>to inspect food, facilities and preparation methods. If they conform
>> >>to religious law then the product is certified as kosher.

>> >>The following has been snipped from:

>> >>http://www.kosherquest.org/html/Reliable_Kosher_Symbols.htm

>> >>Pay attention to the fact that kosher certification, in other words
>> >>rabbinical organizations, can derive profit. COR certification costs
>> >>are passed along to the consumer by the manufacturer and a religious
>> >>organization is profitting. Canadian consumers must boyocott any COR
>> >>certified food product to stop a religion from hijiacking Canadian
>> >>food production and unfairly profiting from the sale of food items.

>> >>The website explains:

>> >>Once contact with a certifying agency is made, the detective work
>> >>begins. The manufacturer must supply a complete, detailed list of
>> >>every ingredient in the product, including preservatives, release
>> >>agents, stabilizers or other inert ingredients. In addition, every
>> >>step in the manufacturing process, every cleansing agent used on the
>> >>equipment and all other products produced on the same premises require
>> >>close investigation and supervision.

>> >>The certifying agency must track down each ingredient to its ultimate
>> >>source. If, for instance, the ingredient is meat or a meat by-product,
>> >>the item cannot be kosher unless the meat source itself is strictly
>> >>kosher. Wine and wine by-products, cheese, and some dairy by-products
>> >>(such as whey) present the same problem. Any oil used in the
>> >>manufacture of foodstuffs has to be traced back to the oil processor.
>> >>The supervising agency must conduct a complete and intense
>> >>investigation into the origin of all the ingredients.

>> >>The results of all these investigations are forwarded to the rabbinic
>> >>authority (or board) of the supervising agency. If changes in
>> >>ingredients or processes are required, the manufacturer must make the
>> >>changes before the agency will do further work. Once all is
>> >>acceptable, the rabbinic authority will determine the amount of
>> >>on-plant supervision necessary. This information is written into a
>> >>contract and then sent to the manufacturer.

>> >>The cost of certification to the manufacturer is minimal. For
>> >>non-profit agencies, cost depends on the amount of on-site work.
>> >>Agencies making a profit might have a minimum annual charge and fees
>> >>depending on the gross annual sales of the product.
>> >>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

>> >>The cost is minimial to the manufacturer because they are passed on to
>> >>the consumer. The consumer pays 100% of the costs, no wonder they say
>> >>that!

>> >>...and whoever heard of a rabbinical agency not making money. They
>> >>likely all have a minimum annual charge and fees based on the gross
>> >>annual sales of the product.

>> >>The website claims that certification increases sales. Ask your
>> >>friends and neighbours if they know what COR means. Unless they are
>> >>Jewish, they won't have any idea. So much for sales being increased
>> >>because something is certified.

>> >>tyler
>> >>the consumer watchdog!!!

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 9:33 pm
From: Bob LeChevalier

YoMammmy@work.org (Way Back Jack) wrote:
>>No. "racism" is a belief that a nonexistent difference is important.
>>Beliefs don't have to reflect reality, and yours is so out of step
>>with reality as to be a very bad joke.
>
>Actually, you say it to curry favor with the "perceived" negroes.

Patent nonsense, since I don't know any that would be reading the
newsgroup. Nor do I "perceive" any skin color of those reading the
newsgroup that I do not know. So who exactly would I be currying
favor with, and to what end?

lojbab

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 1:37 am
From: I'm@nospam.net (Way Back Jack)

On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 21:33:08 -0400, Bob LeChevalier
<lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:

>YoMammmy@work.org (Way Back Jack) wrote:
>>>No. "racism" is a belief that a nonexistent difference is important.
>>>Beliefs don't have to reflect reality, and yours is so out of step
>>>with reality as to be a very bad joke.
>>
>>Actually, you say it to curry favor with the "perceived" negroes.
>
>Patent nonsense, since I don't know any that would be reading the
>newsgroup. Nor do I "perceive" any skin color of those reading the
>newsgroup that I do not know. So who exactly would I be currying
>favor with, and to what end?

You've been saying it most of your fucking life, whigs.

Why would you change in the Usenet era?

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 9:33 pm
From: SgtMinor

Bo Raxo wrote:

> "SgtMinor" <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid> wrote in message
> news:QrqdnYVl_-lHBdzZnZ2dnUVZ_sOdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>
>>Bo Raxo wrote:
>>
>>>"SgtMinor" <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid> wrote in message
>>>news:eJOdnXfG7PznENzZRVn-qg@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Bo Raxo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Topquark" <nospam@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:z8WdndWcouH25tzZnZ2dnUVZ_sCdnZ2d@rcn.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>In a massive 1998 raid at a San Francisco housing co-op, cops shot a
>>>>>>family dog in front of its family, then dragged it outside and shot it
>>>>>>again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I remember this incident, and the above depiction is ludicrous. A
>
> little
>
>>>>>googling for the details...
>>>>>
>>>>>This was at a federal housing project, not a co-op,in the Western
>>>
>>>Addition;
>>>
>>>
>>>>>the writer's confusion comes from the Martin Luther King Jr./Marcus
>>>
>>>Garvey
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Cooperative. That dog wasn't a family pet, any more than the apartment
>>>
>>>was a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>family's home, it was used by a gang known as the Knock Out Posse as a
>>>>>storefront. The dog was a pit bull, and the raid was on an apartment
>>>
>>>that
>>>
>>>
>>>>>was being used to sell large quantities of illegal drugs. The police
>>>
>>>had
>>>
>>>
>>>>>been running surveillance on the place, and already were wary of that
>>>
>>>dog.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Why don't you quote the article you cite, fuckwit?
>>>
>>>
>>>Why do I have to, if what I write is an accurate summary from the cite?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Here's what it
>>>>says:
>>>
>>>
>>>Which is the same thing that I said, fuckwit.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>"War on crime
>>>>
>>>>The SFPD used SWAT-style equipment to raid a Western Addition
>>>>housing project. Does military gear encourage military policing?
>>>>
>>>>By Christian Parenti
>>>>
>>>>JUST BEFORE DAWN on Oct. 30, 90 law-enforcement officers wearing
>>>>black masks and fatigues and armed with assault rifles stormed the
>>>>Martin Luther King Jr./Marcus Garvey Cooperative in the Western
>>>>Addition. They used special "shock-lock" shotgun rounds to blow
>>>>apartment doors off their hinges and cleared people out of rooms
>>>>by throwing "flash-bang grenades," which produce nonlethal
>>>>explosions that terrify and disorient people."
>>>>
>>>>And this about the dog: "And a pit bull named Bosco -- which many
>>>>residents described as well liked and friendly -- was shot inside
>>>>an apartment, dragged bleeding outside, and shot again. Deputy
>>>>chief Richard Holder told police commissioners that, according to
>>>>police intelligence gathered during "covert operations," the dog
>>>>was "known for its jumping ability and was shot in mid-air.""
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>To give you an idea of the size of the operation, the raid netted a
>>>
>>>pound
>>>
>>>
>>>>>of pot and a quarter of a pound of crack. They arrested 11 people in
>>>
>>>that
>>>
>>>
>>>>>apartment when the bust went down, and between them they had seven
>>>
>>>pistols.
>>>
>>>
>>>>Wow, a whole pound of marijuana, and 4 ounces of crack. Yes sir,
>>>>that certainly justified ninety cops busting in the doors of
>>>>mostly innocent people asleep in their beds.
>>>
>>>
>>>I'd bet the neighbors were glad to lose a little sleep to see the drug
>>>dealers operating next door get taken away. If yoru neighbors were
>>>criminals, sitting there with seven guns between them and a large drug
>
> stash
>
>>>some rivals might want to rob, wouldn't that make you just a *little*
>>>nervous? Wouldn't you be rather *glad* when the police came and hauled
>
> off
>
>>>the thugs you had living next door to you? And you no longer have a
>
> string
>
>>>of criminals and drug addicts walking by your home every day on their
>
> way to
>
>>>do business?
>>
>>They were ecstatic: "At a Nov. 4 police commission meeting, a
>>train of furious and sobbing residents from the raided housing
>>complex -- all of them African American -- described how officers
>>slapped them, stepped on their necks, and put guns to their heads
>>while other officers ransacked their homes. Weeping and terrified
>>children, some as young as six, were handcuffed and separated from
>>their parents. Some urinated in their pajamas. (Police chief Fred
>>Lau told the San Francisco Chronicle that officers wanted to keep
>>the kids from "running around.")
>>
>>Residents of the complex say the raid was a violation of their
>>civil rights. Scores of people with no charges against them and no
>>criminal records were put in disposable plastic "flex-cuffs."
>>Civil servants and grandmothers were held at gunpoint. One woman
>>was hospitalized after a fit of seizures; other people were so
>>distraught they couldn't return to work for days."
>>
>>Do you even bother to read the stuff you cite?
>
>
>
> Sure. I wasn't originally making the point that this was the most well run
> raid in the world, my point was that it wasn't a simple "some cop shot the
> family dog for no reason" kind of situation. The OP's article didn't
> accurately portray the incident, compared to the article I cited (and
> summaraized).
>
> Just because the neighbors didn't like the way the cops ran the raid (and
> there were some questions at the time as to how many people *actually* were
> detained by police at the time versus how many were *claiming* so a week
> later, much like a bus crash), doesn't mean they weren't glad to see drug
> dealing gang members gone from their midst.
>
>
>>All of this is a result of the fascistic "war on drugs." This
>>"war" is nothing but an attempt to violate people's rights, enrich
>>the criminal community, expand government police powers and
>>corrupt law enforcement. The criminals I fear are the ones on the
>>government payroll.
>>
>
>
> The war on drugs is largely a waste and in broad terms a failure. Causes a
> lot of unneccesary deaths, sure.
>
> My point, nimrod, was that the incident was NOT what the article he'd quoted
> protrayed: that simply a family dog was dragged out and shot in front of
> the neighbords.

How can a person, on the same hand, consider the war on drugs a
failure - a moral judgment based on result rather than intent;
it's a war on people's liberty for pete's sake! - and still think
the grams per cop idea is ludicrous?

With "zero tolerance" an operational standard in many
jurisdictions, any citizen could be busted, with cause. If he
carried cash, American folding money, that is.
http://www.snopes.com/business/money/cocaine.asp

The whole thing is a scam, and whether the cops shoot pit bulls,
snakes, kittens, or people, it is all pathetic. Brave, new, 1984
pathetic.
>
> I notice you don't even bother to defend your nutty "grams of drugs per cop"
> argument, so I'll assume you realize how silly that one was.
>
>
> Bo Raxo
>
>
>
>
>
>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Apr 16 2006 2:17 am
From: "Bo Raxo"

"SgtMinor" <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid> wrote in message
news:t82dnb67_8FjA9zZRVn-vw@comcast.com...
>
> How can a person, on the same hand, consider the war on drugs a
> failure - a moral judgment based on result rather than intent;
> it's a war on people's liberty for pete's sake! - and still think
> the grams per cop idea is ludicrous?
>

Because it's a stupid measure, apart from the intrinsic worth (or lack
thereof) of the thing being measured.

> With "zero tolerance" an operational standard in many
> jurisdictions, any citizen could be busted, with cause. If he
> carried cash, American folding money, that is.
> http://www.snopes.com/business/money/cocaine.asp
>
> The whole thing is a scam, and whether the cops shoot pit bulls,
> snakes, kittens, or people, it is all pathetic. Brave, new, 1984
> pathetic.

Here's the distinction you're missing: mission and execution.

They're two different things.

The whole mission, trying to wipe out illegal drug use by wiping out the
middlemen - is doomed to failure. That's a fact. Wish I could get rid of
the whole thing, and guess what, many of those cops who are on those raids
wish we could, too. It would stop funding the gangs that are the problems
in housing projects like these.

But those drug laws are a fact. And so if you're going to fight the gangs -
and the SFPD is smart enough to know they should - then you have to fight
the drug stashes, the dealing, the profit centers for the gangs. That's how
it works.

So you want to see the raids executed well, in a smart way. Was this one?
Maybe not, but the Bay Guardian which I took that article from is a very
liberal paper and tends to take a very critical view of police operations.
I seem to recall from following the story at the time that it was a big
raid, but then you want several cops per gun when you're taking down a big
armed crew. Was it done right? I don't know. But do I blame the cops
themselves for having to do it at all?

No.

So you see, two different issues. It's childish to conflate them, as you
seem intent on doing.

Bo Raxo

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TOPIC: the Russians agree to help the Palestinans with money
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/e4956100f61187d7
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 6:42 pm
From: "rst0wxyz@yahoo.com"

TBD wrote:
> Russia will pay the devil if they are against the USA.

Well, the U.S. help the Afghanistan and bin Laden fight against the
Russians in the 1980's in Afghanistan. Why not the Russians do the
same favor to the U.S. by helping the PLO? the Iranian? the Iraqis?

>In this case they
> choose to patronize terrorists. So they should not complain if someone
> decides to give money to Chechan terrorists.

The U.S. is probably helping the Chechen, too. And Taiwan, Japan,
India.

>
>
> "Komin" <veakrin@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1145145602.029472.270380@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
> > the Russian government agrees to give money to the Palestinian
> > government ,
> > in order to help the Palestinian government pay salaries to the
> > Palestine Liberation Organisation = P L O .
> > the US Black Magic Woman must be very angry .
> >
> > Colin Powell told lies in the UN concerning the Iraqi weapons of mass
> > destruction .
> >
> > Condi Rice told lies about the Iraqi weapons of mass Destruction .
> >
> > this shows perfectly well that Blacks in the USA have not evolved at
> > all , after 200 years in the USA ,
> > them Niggers continue to tell lies in the USA and now in the UN in
> > this New Century .
> >

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TOPIC: Spoof on Indian Call Centres
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/b86d19de8419ad6f
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 6:44 pm
From: "Gill Bentry"

indiaBPOking wrote:
> India this, India that! Can you guys give India a break and leave her
> alone for at least two minutes. :)
>

Sure! How about you quit spamming ACC for 2 whole minutes!?!

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TOPIC: Fulfilling the "American Dream."
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/a48ac432669ca64
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 6:48 pm
From: "Gill Bentry"

Max wrote:

>Yeah, it's another Hindu Nationalist racist throwing stones at the
>country that gave him a Visa to work there.

Hey Max!

How about I print off all their shit and mail it to each member of the
US Senate India Caucus!

http://www.usindiafriendship.net/congress1/senatecaucus/members.htm

I'm gonna start with Hitlery!!!!

aHahahahahaha!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 7:01 pm
From: "Max Muir"

Gill Bentry wrote:
> Max wrote:
>
> >Yeah, it's another Hindu Nationalist racist throwing stones at the
> >country that gave him a Visa to work there.
>
> Hey Max!
>
> How about I print off all their shit and mail it to each member of the
> US Senate India Caucus!
>
> http://www.usindiafriendship.net/congress1/senatecaucus/members.htm
>
> I'm gonna start with Hitlery!!!!
>
> aHahahahahaha!

Good idea; but do it anonymously, for goodness sake!

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TOPIC: Israeli settlers conspire to turn the Ibrahimi Mosque into a synagogue
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/f5098ad51f6c338a
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 9:02 pm
From: AnonMoos

"Theodore Herzl" <AntiZio_____________________Nazi@hotmail.com> wrote:
>AnonMoos wrote:
>>"Theodore Herzl" <AntiZio____________________Nazi@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>AnonMoos <anonmoos@io.com> wrote:

>>>> Maybe if the Arabs hadn't stolen the Machpelah cave shrine in the
>>>> first place -- housed in a structure built by a Jewish king while
>>>> the Arabs were still wandering around in the desert worshipping
>>>> goddesses --

>>> Which Arabs?

>> The Arabs who launched the unprovoked wars of imperialist
>> colonialist aggression against the Christian Byzantine empire in the
>> 630s A.D., and who subsequently decided to confiscate the Machpelah
>> cave shrine as a supposed "mosque" (which it never was), as part of
>> the loot and spoils of their conquests.

>>> Do you have their names and addresses

>> Many of them are known to history. Their original leader was of
>> course the second caliph, `Umar (Omar).

> Well then, I would suggest you hunt them down and charge them with a
> crime and make them pay a fine or something.

You have a strange view of history and chronology. Try to work on
telling decades apart from centuries.

> But short of that, I fail to see any justification for Jews to
> attempt to commit a similar crime today by destroying a historic
> mosque.

They're not trying to "destroy" it -- just trying to preserve their
right to worship at what was originally a Jewish place of worship
(before the Arabs stole it). Even the Byzantines didn't prevent Jews
from worshipping there (as they did at some other sites.) Try to work
on telling the Machpelah cave shrine apart from the Dome of the Rock.

>>> or are you digging up 2,000 year old mythology

>> Nope, it's solidly historical. Just do a Google search on
>> "herodian" AND "Hebron" to turn up plenty of info.

> So you are digging up 2,000 year old nonsense that by your own
> statement IS HISTORY!!!!! History that has no relevance today

That's a rather shallow view of things. The theft by the Arabs
happened closer to 1000 than 2000 years ago; and in any case, if the
Arabs now own something which was originally reverenced and originally
built by the Jews, but which the Arabs now want to keep Jew-free
("Judenrein"), then time is pretty much irrelevant. Just ask the
Hindus about the Ayodhya temple -- and the Machpelah cave shrine in
Hebron is a much more blatant and flagrant case than the Ayodhya
temple. If the Babri Masjid in Ayodhya were built within the old
still-standing walls of the Ramjanmabhoomi Hindu temple, then that
would be an exact analogy to the so-called "Ibrahimi mosque"[sic]
built within the Machpelah cave shrine.

> History that certainly does not make today's Arabs culpable.

It doesn't make today's Arabs individually culpable, but nevertheless,
they're collectively enjoying today the fruits of the Arabs'
unprovoked wars of imperialist colonialist aggression against the
Christian Byzantine empire in the 630s A.D., and the loot and spoils
which they plundered in their conquests.

> Should we punish all of today's Jews and those born in the future
> for Christ's murder?

The Romans killed Christ.

>>> One might ask who the Jews/Hebrews stole the land from when they
>>> arrived as wandering Gypsies under David

>> I think you need to learn the difference between David and Joshua!

> It doesn't matter It is old news.

It's useful in showing your utter pathetic ignorance of history.

>>> Afer all, your ancestors (if you are a real Jews and not an
>>> AshkeNazi)

>> I'm not a Jew at all -- and only petty little racist hate-bigots
>> like you seem to be obsessed with "blood". And if you weren't a
>> complete and utter ignoramus, you would know that the word
>> "Ashkenazi" (which in the Bible referred to Scythians in modern
>> Azerbaijan, not to Jews at all) has a true [z] or Zayin sound,
>> whereas the word "Nazi" has a [ts] sound (resulting from affrication
>> of the "t" in the word National).

> So why do you support racist Jews if you are not a jew?

The only racist I see around here right now is you.

>>> did not come from Palestine, they came from Mesopotamia.

>> That's rather pathetic, considering that it's far from certain that
>> Abraham's "Ur" was the Sumerian "Ur". It's quite pathetic that you
>> have overall contempt for the Bible, but eagerly seize onto a
>> simplistically literalistic interpretation of any passage which you
>> feel you can use to augment your bigoted racist hatred of "DA JOOZ".

> I don't hate Jews, I hate Zionazis, which are two different animals
> all together.

In other words, you hate all Jews except for a tiny Neturei Qarta
minority (who are really a tiny irrelevant sideshow in the scope of
world Judaism today).

> Perhaps you are German by ancetry?

The racist is always obsessed with "blood". Maybe you could join
Slytherin House -- I hear they're against racial mixing with
"mudbloods".

>>>> and hadn't imposed the bigoted racist rule that Jews could only
>>>> stay outside and look in through the crack in the seventh step of
>>>> the outside staircase, then there would be fewer problems now.
>>>> But then of course, the al-Khalilis always seem to have been
>>>> bigoted assholes from the 1929 pogrom down to the present...

>> Just like you, in fact, Herzie-baby....

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TOPIC: The Videotape Recorder Turns 50
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/66386290480d314c
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 8:57 pm
From: Nimrod ``

On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 16:03:14 -0700, ANIM8Rfsk <ANIM8Rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:

>in article zGtBRAXMcKnRRSp3LbYXZLGCxqTi@4ax.com, Nimrod `` at
>rodnim9@nod.com wrote on 4/15/06 2:58 PM:
>
>> On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 20:52:34 GMT, "Steven L."
>> <sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Joe Gillis wrote:
>>>> http://tvtechnology.com/features/news/2006.04.12-n_the_video_tape_02.shtml
>>>>
>>>> The Videotape Recorder Turns 50
>>>>
>>>> Routine NAB preview event showcased revolutionary technology
>>>>
>>>> by James E. O'Neal
>>>>
>>>> The Ampex video recorder is unveiled at the NARTB show in Chicago,
>>>> April 14, 1956.
>>>
>>> Obviously the Ampex design was so big and expensive that only
>>> corporations could afford it. And like audio tape recorders, you had to
>>> struggle with clumsily threading big reels of tape.
>>>
>>> For consumers, the big breakthrough was made by Sony, who developed the
>>> first consumer-oriented Video *Cassette* Recorder, VCR. An early
>>> prototype of the Sony VCR was demonstrated at the 1964-65 New York
>>> World's Fair.
>>
>> Then they shot themselves in the foot by refusing to allow open use of
>> their Beta cassette design....insisting on being paid for its use by
>> video distributors, forcing the distributors to throw their weight
>> behind the inferior VHS cassette and dooming the Sony Betamax. We
>> would have had smaller cassettes with better picture and sound
>> reproduction until DVD came along if Sony hadn't been so hard-nosed
>> and greedy.
>>
>>
>> N``
>
>That's part of it,

That was MOST of it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betamax

The legacy of Betamax

The VHS format's defeat of the Betamax format became a classic
marketing case study, now identified with the verbal phrase "to
Betamax", wherein a proprietary technology format is overwhelmed in
the market by a format allowing multiple, competing, licensed
manufacturers, as in: "Apple Betamaxed themselves out of the PC
market." Sony's confidence in its ability to dictate the industry
standard backfired when JVC made the tactical decision to engage in
open sharing of its VHS technology. JVC sacrificed substantial
potential earnings by going the open sharing route, but that decision
ultimately won the standards war. By 1984, forty companies utilized
the VHS format in comparison with Betamax's twelve. Sony finally
conceded defeat in 1988 when it too began producing VHS recorders.

N``

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TOPIC: Felix Rodriguez, 64, was part of the infiltration team that sneaked...
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.usa/browse_thread/thread/20e6ebf27b50748c
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 9:53 pm
From: "PM"

FELIX RODRIGUEZ ES UNO DE LOS HEROES DE NUESTRO PEUBLO CUBANO !

ABAJO LA DICTADURA ESTALINANA DE KASSTRO EL TRAIDOR MAXIMO A CUBA !

AUDIO -VIDEO...

http://talcualdigital.com/video_editorial/playerLista.asp

http://talcualdigital.com/video_editorial/playerLista.asp
__________________________________________________

------------------------------
enlaces sobre Cuba

www.therealcuba.com

http://www.cubafotos.net/cubafotos1.htm

Noticuba Internacional
www.noticubainternacional.com
http://www.cubafotos.net/cubafotos1.htm
http://www.wisc.edu/arth/ah349/20c_01.html
http://www.chileblog.com/modules.php?name=Sections&op=listarticles&secid=15
http://argentina.indymedia.org/news/2005/12/361336.php
http://www.juanperez.com/comerciales/tv.html

http://www.amigospais-guaracabuya.org

Sobre el ASESINO che:
http://members.aol.com/Guanabacoa/che.html
http://www.therealcuba.com/MurderedbyChe.htm
http://ernesto-el-che-guevara.piranho.de/

http://www.martinoticias.com/media/audio/M-001_051004.wma
http://www.martinoticias.com/MMtv.asp
Corrupcion_en_Cuba
http://www.cadal.org/libros/pdf/Corrupcion_en_Cuba.pdf

HAGA CLICK SOBRE ESTE TITULO >>>> URBANPHOTO -- Dos Días en La Habana

http://www.urbanphoto.net/havana/photo06.htm

http://imls.library.miami.edu/chcdigital/chc5017/ch

CALLES DE LA HABANA: (ESTE WEBSITE ES UNA JOYA)

Calle http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/calle23/index.htm 23
Quinta http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/quinta/index.htm
Avenida
Línea <http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/linea/index.htm
Almendares
http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/almendares/index.htm

Calle http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/calle26/index.htm 26
Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/ave26/index.htm 26
Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/ave11/index.htm 11
Avenida
http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/presidentes/index.htm
de los Presidentes
Rancho http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/rancho/index.htm
Boyeros
Monserrate
http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/monserrate/index.htm
Empedrado http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/empedrado/index.htm
Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/puerto/index.htm del
Puerto
Calle Cuba http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/cuba/ind

<periodistalibre@aol.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
1145151765.026559.257400@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
Posted on Sat, Apr. 15, 2006 on MiamiHerald.com website

FELIX RODRIGUEZ, 64, was part of the infiltration team that sneaked
into Trinidad before the invasion to try to open up a second front. He
was in Havana during the invasion, and sought asylum in the Venezuelan
Embassy. A few years later, he led a CIA team that tracked down Ernesto
''Che'' Guevara in the Bolivian jungle. Today, he is the president of
the Bay of Pigs Veterans Association.

EDUARDO ZAYAZ-BAZAN, 70, fired the first shots at the Bay of Pigs as he
sneaked ashore with five other men as part of an underwater demolition
team. As the inflatable boat was nearing the beach, Cuban soldiers in a
Jeep heard a noise and turned headlights toward the water. Grayson
Lynch, an American who joined the Brigade, gave the order to fire, and
they did, destroying the Jeep. ''In Girón, the first shots were ours
when we went to take the beach.'' Zayas-Bazán is professor emeritus of
languages at East Tennessee State University.

MATTIAS FARIAS, 66, piloted a B-26 that was shot down over the Bay of
Pigs airfield and lost his co-pilot instantly. Badly wounded, he spent
several hours unconscious on April 17, but awoke on the battlefield and
helped defend the airfield until a plane landed to evacuate him and
others. The next day, he led the final bombing run on the Bay of Pigs
from an air base in Nicaragua.

ESTEBAN BOVO, 68, co-pilot and navigator of a B-26 doing bombing runs.
''It never crossed my mind when we were doing bombing runs that we
could lose. I was destroyed when I heard they lost. Completely
destroyed. Wednesday morning, when we were called to the flight shack,
it really touched me to see how many pilots were missing that we
couldn't account for.'' Fourteen Cuban and American pilots were killed
in the attack.

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Por algo lleva este hombre en apellido de BOVO...
Saven Ustedes cual es?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Apr 15 2006 7:29 pm
From: "Miguel"

PM wrote:
> FELIX RODRIGUEZ ES UNO DE LOS HEROES DE NUESTRO PEUBLO CUBANO !
>
>
> ABAJO LA DICTADURA ESTALINANA DE KASSTRO EL TRAIDOR MAXIMO A CUBA !
>
> AUDIO -VIDEO...
>
> http://talcualdigital.com/video_editorial/playerLista.asp
>
>
> http://talcualdigital.com/video_editorial/playerLista.asp
> __________________________________________________

De acuerdo Pedro.

Durante la guerra en El Salvador, ya retirado, fue a luchar contra el
castro-fascismo por su cuenta. A casa de mis suegros en El Salvador
llevaba los uniformes y otra ropa sucia para que se la lavaran los
fines de semanas. El resto del tiempo se la pasaba junto a las tropas
salvadore~nas en los helicopteros de un lado a otro. Su objetivo:salvar
a El Salvador del totalitarismo. Se logro. Algun dia lograremos la
libertad de Cuba. .

Un hombre digno que representa la lucha que nunca ha cesado contra las
hordas totalitarias. Oigan la entrevista a Felix Rodriguez donde dice
los detalles de la captura del "Chancho" asesino Che Guevara.

http://www.elveraz.com/TVradio.htm
>
> ------------------------------
> enlaces sobre Cuba
>
> www.therealcuba.com
>
> http://www.cubafotos.net/cubafotos1.htm
>
> Noticuba Internacional
> www.noticubainternacional.com
> http://www.cubafotos.net/cubafotos1.htm
> http://www.wisc.edu/arth/ah349/20c_01.html
> http://www.chileblog.com/modules.php?name=Sections&op=listarticles&secid=15
> http://argentina.indymedia.org/news/2005/12/361336.php
> http://www.juanperez.com/comerciales/tv.html
>
> http://www.amigospais-guaracabuya.org
>
> Sobre el ASESINO che:
> http://members.aol.com/Guanabacoa/che.html
> http://www.therealcuba.com/MurderedbyChe.htm
> http://ernesto-el-che-guevara.piranho.de/
>
> http://www.martinoticias.com/media/audio/M-001_051004.wma
> http://www.martinoticias.com/MMtv.asp
> Corrupcion_en_Cuba
> http://www.cadal.org/libros/pdf/Corrupcion_en_Cuba.pdf
>
> HAGA CLICK SOBRE ESTE TITULO >>>> URBANPHOTO -- Dos Días en La Habana
>
> http://www.urbanphoto.net/havana/photo06.htm
>
> http://imls.library.miami.edu/chcdigital/chc5017/ch
>
> CALLES DE LA HABANA: (ESTE WEBSITE ES UNA JOYA)
>
> Calle http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/calle23/index.htm 23
> Quinta http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/quinta/index.htm
> Avenida
> Línea <http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/linea/index.htm
> Almendares
> http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/almendares/index.htm
>
> Calle http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/calle26/index.htm 26
> Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/ave26/index.htm 26
> Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/ave11/index.htm 11
> Avenida
> http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/presidentes/index.htm
> de los Presidentes
> Rancho http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/rancho/index.htm
> Boyeros
> Monserrate
> http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/monserrate/index.htm
> Empedrado http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/empedrado/index.htm
> Avenida http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/puerto/index.htm del
> Puerto
> Calle Cuba http://www.guije.com/pueblo/habana/calles/cuba/ind
>
> <periodistalibre@aol.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
> 1145151765.026559.257400@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com...
> Posted on Sat, Apr. 15, 2006 on MiamiHerald.com website
>
> FELIX RODRIGUEZ, 64, was part of the infiltration team that sneaked
> into Trinidad before the invasion to try to open up a second front. He
> was in Havana during the invasion, and sought asylum in the Venezuelan
> Embassy. A few years later, he led a CIA team that tracked down Ernesto
> ''Che'' Guevara in the Bolivian jungle. Today, he is the president of
> the Bay of Pigs Veterans Association.
>
> EDUARDO ZAYAZ-BAZAN, 70, fired the first shots at the Bay of Pigs as he
> sneaked ashore with five other men as part of an underwater demolition
> team. As the inflatable boat was nearing the beach, Cuban soldiers in a
> Jeep heard a noise and turned headlights toward the water. Grayson
> Lynch, an American who joined the Brigade, gave the order to fire, and
> they did, destroying the Jeep. ''In Girón, the first shots were ours
> when we went to take the beach.'' Zayas-Bazán is professor emeritus of
> languages at East Tennessee State University.
>
> MATTIAS FARIAS, 66, piloted a B-26 that was shot down over the Bay of
> Pigs airfield and lost his co-pilot instantly. Badly wounded, he spent
> several hours unconscious on April 17, but awoke on the battlefield and
> helped defend the airfield until a plane landed to evacuate him and
> others. The next day, he led the final bombing run on the Bay of Pigs
> from an air base in Nicaragua.
>
> ESTEBAN BOVO, 68, co-pilot and navigator of a B-26 doing bombing runs.
> ''It never crossed my mind when we were doing bombing runs that we
> could lose. I was destroyed when I heard they lost. Completely
> destroyed. Wednesday morning, when we were called to the flight shack,
> it really touched me to see how many pilots were missing that we
> couldn't account for.'' Fourteen Cuban and American pilots were killed
> in the attack.
>
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> Por algo lleva este hombre en apellido de BOVO...
> Saven Ustedes cual es?

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